Re: i am locked out
Walter: Could you do a close up (Command-Shift-4) screen shot of the drive icons with the little locks in place and send it to me ?? Mike On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Walter Sheluk wshe...@shaw.ca wrote: Both of my External FireWire Drives were powered on and their icon's were on the desktop ( iMac/3.06GHz/Snow Leopard ) when i decided for some unknown reason to eject ( Command + I ) both drives to do a apple software update/installation. Upon restarting after the update was completed both external FireWired drives came back on the desktop BUT both had a small lock in the lower left hand corner of the drives icons. Those two drives can not be opened because the message is that i don't have permission to see the contents. Command+I shows that i have Custom access. When I tried to change those settings they revert to Custom access. I ticked on the Ignore ownership on this volume but still locked out. I really need help because the alternative at this time is to erase and lose hours and hours of audio/video projects on one of the two drives. I have tried DiskWarrior 4.2, TechToolPro 5.x, Apple'sDiskUtility by repairing permissions, unplugged the fire wire cable and re-plugged the cable, powered off and back on. No luck at all. Is there any Utility or a terminal command to unlock those drives ? Suggestions/help required please. Walter -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comimaclist%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -- Warmest regards, Michael Shaw MaUsE President, www.mause.ca Editor, MaUsE DoubleClick ducati...@gmail.com 237 Huntingwood Drive Oshawa, ON L1J 7C6 Canada 905-576-2097 -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: i am locked out
On 2010/10/06 07:49, Walter Sheluk wrote: Both of my External FireWire Drives were powered on and their icon's were on the desktop ( iMac/3.06GHz/Snow Leopard ) when i decided for some unknown reason to eject ( Command + I ) both drives to do a apple software update/installation. I just experienced something very similar only it wasn't my external drives who's permissions got munged but my user folders - Desktop, Documents, Downloads, Dropbox, etc… Strangely Get Info yielded either You can read write or You have custom permissions but no way to change them in the get info window, and the ones that were allegedly read write permissions would not let me actually write anything to the folder. The custom permissions message was my tip off. I googled 'remove acl leopard' or something to that effect (ACL= access control list) and removed all acl's via Terminal. This corrected my permissions problem, but not until I had reboot. FWIW, YMMV, ad nauseam. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2, 1.25 GHz G4, 2 GB RAM, GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64 MB DDR Power Mac June 04, 2 GHz G5 DP, 8 GB RAM, GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256 MB PowerBook G4 15 Hi-Res DL-SD, 1.67 GHz G4, Radeon 9700 128 MB DDR -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: i am locked out
Greetings Walter, I think your problem is ownership! Select each drive and then using the drop-down menu get info for all of your drives. When that information appears on the desktop, near the bottom is Sharing Permissions Make sure that the pointer is pointing down, exposing the contained information. Then make the information for the Locked Disk's the same as your main boot disk. Under no circumstance select the the drop-down menu Apply to enclosed items You will need to unlock the Sharing Permissions to make any changes. Cheers Harry San Jose, Ca. ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?º?ø On Oct 6, 6:49 am, Walter Sheluk wshe...@shaw.ca wrote: Both of my External FireWire Drives were powered on and their icon's were on the desktop ( iMac/3.06GHz/Snow Leopard ) when i decided for some unknown reason to eject ( Command + I ) both drives to do a apple software update/installation. Upon restarting after the update was completed both external FireWired drives came back on the desktop BUT both had a small lock in the lower left hand corner of the drives icons. Those two drives can not be opened because the message is that i don't have permission to see the contents. Command+I shows that i have Custom access. When I tried to change those settings they revert to Custom access. I ticked on the Ignore ownership on this volume but still locked out. I really need help because the alternative at this time is to erase and lose hours and hours of audio/video projects on one of the two drives. I have tried DiskWarrior 4.2, TechToolPro 5.x, Apple'sDiskUtility by repairing permissions, unplugged the fire wire cable and re-plugged the cable, powered off and back on. No luck at all. Is there any Utility or a terminal command to unlock those drives ? Suggestions/help required please. Walter -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: i am locked out
Greetings Tina, WOW removing all 'ACL's may not be the best thing to do, i.e. Technically seen, an ACL is a list of individual rights which can be attached to a file system object. The ACL can either be empty -in this case, only the conventional POSIX permissions apply-, or it can contain one or more objects called Access Control Entries (ACEs). An Access Control Entry includes the following information: to which users does this entry apply (this can be an individual user or a user group)? does this entry allow or deny access? which right in particular is allowed or denied, respectively? how should this entry be inherited from a folder to the contents of this folder? So what you've done is made all files and application available to all users that can log into your platform. If you were unable to make changes in the get info window then you were not logged in as the platform owner. As the owner has all privileges. Or sometime you may not be able to make direct changes but need to either add or delete one or more of those listed in the ownership listing. If your log-in name isn't listed then you need to touch the + button and add your name. If you are able to unlock the lock then you should have privileges to add users. The important thing is to make the Ownership of the locked disks the same as the disk that you are logged as that is your main access point. Cheers Harry San Jose, Ca ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?º?ø On Oct 6, 9:16 am, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: On 2010/10/06 07:49, Walter Sheluk wrote: Both of my External FireWire Drives were powered on and their icon's were on the desktop ( iMac/3.06GHz/Snow Leopard ) when i decided for some unknown reason to eject ( Command + I ) both drives to do a apple software update/installation. I just experienced something very similar only it wasn't my external drives who's permissions got munged but my user folders - Desktop, Documents, Downloads, Dropbox, etc… Strangely Get Info yielded either You can read write or You have custom permissions but no way to change them in the get info window, and the ones that were allegedly read write permissions would not let me actually write anything to the folder. The custom permissions message was my tip off. I googled 'remove acl leopard' or something to that effect (ACL= access control list) and removed all acl's via Terminal. This corrected my permissions problem, but not until I had reboot. FWIW, YMMV, ad nauseam. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2, 1.25 GHz G4, 2 GB RAM, GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64 MB DDR Power Mac June 04, 2 GHz G5 DP, 8 GB RAM, GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256 MB PowerBook G4 15 Hi-Res DL-SD, 1.67 GHz G4, Radeon 9700 128 MB DDR -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: i am locked out
On 10-10-07 4:00 PM, gifutiger wrote: Cheers Harry San Jose, Ca. Thanks: i've tried that but as soon as i close the window it goes back to custom. The drive that contains all my audio/video productions is at the Apple Hospital. Please send best wishes. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: i am locked out
Hi Walter, Tina is correct. If the permissions in the Get Info window appear as custom, this indicates that ACLs are in effect. You can check this in the Terminal using the following commands: cd /Volumes ls -le Access Control Lists provide more granular control of permissions than POSIX permissions. Clearing ACLs is one of Apple's suggested methods for file system troubleshooting. On Oct 7, 2010, at 6:20 PM, gifutiger wrote: Greetings Tina, WOW removing all 'ACL's may not be the best thing to do, i.e. Technically seen, an ACL is a list of individual rights which can be attached to a file system object. The ACL can either be empty -in this case, only the conventional POSIX permissions apply-, or it can contain one or more objects called Access Control Entries (ACEs). An Access Control Entry includes the following information: to which users does this entry apply (this can be an individual user or a user group)? does this entry allow or deny access? which right in particular is allowed or denied, respectively? how should this entry be inherited from a folder to the contents of this folder? So what you've done is made all files and application available to all users that can log into your platform. Clearing ACLs will not make all files and applications available to all users that can log onto you platform. Clearing ACLs still leaves POSIX permissions in effect. If you were unable to make changes in the get info window then you were not logged in as the platform owner. As the owner has all privileges. Or sometime you may not be able to make direct changes but need to either add or delete one or more of those listed in the ownership listing. If your log-in name isn't listed then you need to touch the + button and add your name. If you are able to unlock the lock then you should have privileges to add users. The important thing is to make the Ownership of the locked disks the same as the disk that you are logged as that is your main access point. ACLs cannot be defined or altered in the Finder. Trying to change the permissions of files and folders with ACLs set will result in exactly what you experienced. To remove ACLs, you need to use the terminal. They can be removed on individual files or folders as well as recursively. Details can be found in Mac OS X Support Essentials: http://books.google.com/books?id=iAwgbkQeZYQCpg=PA246lpg=PA246dq=apple.com:+clearing+aclssource=blots=WoZb6hvb7psig=oK5vLbu4zbWCx4Uwtf_Z6sQ2DxMhl=enei=UY-uTMnROIW6sQO7ktH9Awsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=5ved=0CCYQ6AEwBA#v=onepageqf=false I believe you said the drives were at the Apple Store. I suspect they will clear ACLs on the external disks to resolve the issue. I will be curious to hear what they say. Jim Cheers Harry San Jose, Ca ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?º?ø On Oct 6, 9:16 am, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: On 2010/10/06 07:49, Walter Sheluk wrote: Both of my External FireWire Drives were powered on and their icon's were on the desktop ( iMac/3.06GHz/Snow Leopard ) when i decided for some unknown reason to eject ( Command + I ) both drives to do a apple software update/installation. I just experienced something very similar only it wasn't my external drives who's permissions got munged but my user folders - Desktop, Documents, Downloads, Dropbox, etc… Strangely Get Info yielded either You can read write or You have custom permissions but no way to change them in the get info window, and the ones that were allegedly read write permissions would not let me actually write anything to the folder. The custom permissions message was my tip off. I googled 'remove acl leopard' or something to that effect (ACL= access control list) and removed all acl's via Terminal. This corrected my permissions problem, but not until I had reboot. FWIW, YMMV, ad nauseam. Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: i am locked out
Thanks Jim. On 10-10-07 9:47 PM, Jim Emery wrote: Hi Walter, Tina is correct. If the permissions in the Get Info window appear as custom, this indicates that ACLs are in effect. You can check this in the Terminal using the following commands: cd /Volumes ls -le Access Control Lists provide more granular control of permissions than POSIX permissions. Clearing ACLs is one of Apple's suggested methods for file system troubleshooting. On Oct 7, 2010, at 6:20 PM, gifutiger wrote: Greetings Tina, WOW removing all 'ACL's may not be the best thing to do, i.e. Technically seen, an ACL is a list of individual rights which can be attached to a file system object. The ACL can either be empty -in this case, only the conventional POSIX permissions apply-, or it can contain one or more objects called Access Control Entries (ACEs). An Access Control Entry includes the following information: to which users does this entry apply (this can be an individual user or a user group)? does this entry allow or deny access? which right in particular is allowed or denied, respectively? how should this entry be inherited from a folder to the contents of this folder? So what you've done is made all files and application available to all users that can log into your platform. Clearing ACLs will not make all files and applications available to all users that can log onto you platform. Clearing ACLs still leaves POSIX permissions in effect. If you were unable to make changes in the get info window then you were not logged in as the platform owner. As the owner has all privileges. Or sometime you may not be able to make direct changes but need to either add or delete one or more of those listed in the ownership listing. If your log-in name isn't listed then you need to touch the + button and add your name. If you are able to unlock the lock then you should have privileges to add users. The important thing is to make the Ownership of the locked disks the same as the disk that you are logged as that is your main access point. ACLs cannot be defined or altered in the Finder. Trying to change the permissions of files and folders with ACLs set will result in exactly what you experienced. To remove ACLs, you need to use the terminal. They can be removed on individual files or folders as well as recursively. Details can be found in Mac OS X Support Essentials: http://books.google.com/books?id=iAwgbkQeZYQCpg=PA246lpg=PA246dq=apple.com:+clearing+aclssource=blots=WoZb6hvb7psig=oK5vLbu4zbWCx4Uwtf_Z6sQ2DxMhl=enei=UY-uTMnROIW6sQO7ktH9Awsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=5ved=0CCYQ6AEwBA#v=onepageqf=false http://books.google.com/books?id=iAwgbkQeZYQCpg=PA246lpg=PA246dq=apple.com:+clearing+aclssource=blots=WoZb6hvb7psig=oK5vLbu4zbWCx4Uwtf_Z6sQ2DxMhl=enei=UY-uTMnROIW6sQO7ktH9Awsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=5ved=0CCYQ6AEwBA#v=onepageqf=false I believe you said the drives were at the Apple Store. I suspect they will clear ACLs on the external disks to resolve the issue. I will be curious to hear what they say. Jim Cheers Harry San Jose, Ca ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?ºº?ø,¸¸,ø?º?ø On Oct 6, 9:16 am, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: On 2010/10/06 07:49, Walter Sheluk wrote: Both of my External FireWire Drives were powered on and their icon's were on the desktop ( iMac/3.06GHz/Snow Leopard ) when i decided for some unknown reason to eject ( Command + I ) both drives to do a apple software update/installation. I just experienced something very similar only it wasn't my external drives who's permissions got munged but my user folders - Desktop, Documents, Downloads, Dropbox, etc… Strangely Get Info yielded either You can read write or You have custom permissions but no way to change them in the get info window, and the ones that were allegedly read write permissions would not let me actually write anything to the folder. The custom permissions message was my tip off. I googled 'remove acl leopard' or something to that effect (ACL= access control list) and removed all acl's via Terminal. This corrected my permissions problem, but not until I had reboot. FWIW, YMMV, ad nauseam. Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our
i am locked out
Both of my External FireWire Drives were powered on and their icon's were on the desktop ( iMac/3.06GHz/Snow Leopard ) when i decided for some unknown reason to eject ( Command + I ) both drives to do a apple software update/installation. Upon restarting after the update was completed both external FireWired drives came back on the desktop BUT both had a small lock in the lower left hand corner of the drives icons. Those two drives can not be opened because the message is that i don't have permission to see the contents. Command+I shows that i have Custom access. When I tried to change those settings they revert to Custom access. I ticked on the Ignore ownership on this volume but still locked out. I really need help because the alternative at this time is to erase and lose hours and hours of audio/video projects on one of the two drives. I have tried DiskWarrior 4.2, TechToolPro 5.x, Apple'sDiskUtility by repairing permissions, unplugged the fire wire cable and re-plugged the cable, powered off and back on. No luck at all. Is there any Utility or a terminal command to unlock those drives ? Suggestions/help required please. Walter -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: i am locked out
On 06/10/10 06:49PDT, Walter Sheluk wrote: Both of my External FireWire Drives were powered on and their icon's were on the desktop ( iMac/3.06GHz/Snow Leopard ) when i decided for some unknown reason to eject ( Command + I ) both drives to do a apple software update/installation. Upon restarting after the update was completed both external FireWired drives came back on the desktop BUT both had a small lock in the lower left hand corner of the drives icons. Those two drives can not be opened because the message is that i don't have permission to see the contents. Command+I shows that i have Custom access. When I tried to change those settings they revert to Custom access. I ticked on the Ignore ownership on this volume but still locked out. I really need help because the alternative at this time is to erase and lose hours and hours of audio/video projects on one of the two drives. I have tried DiskWarrior 4.2, TechToolPro 5.x, Apple'sDiskUtility by repairing permissions, unplugged the fire wire cable and re-plugged the cable, powered off and back on. No luck at all. Is there any Utility or a terminal command to unlock those drives ? Suggestions/help required please. Have you tried enabling root and booting up into it? You should then be able to change the permissions. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: i am locked out
On 10-10-06 8:07 AM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: Have you tried enabling root and booting up into it? You should then be able to change the permissions. That hard drive has no system installed it is just a vault for audio/video projects. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: i am locked out
On 06/10/10 07:26PDT, Walter Sheluk wrote: On 10-10-06 8:07 AM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: Have you tried enabling root and booting up into it? You should then be able to change the permissions. That hard drive has no system installed it is just a vault for audio/video projects. I didn't mean booting from that drive. Enable the root account on your Mac and then boot up as root user. Then try changing the permissions on the drive you are having problems. Next, log out of root and boot up into your normal account. If you now can access the drive, you can disable the root account. I would then do a permissions repair in your normal account; in fact it might be best to do it before you disable the root account. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: i am locked out
At 7:49 AM -0600 10/6/2010, Walter Sheluk wrote: iMac/3.06GHz/Snow Leopard Upon restarting after the update was completed both external FireWired drives came back on the desktop BUT both had a small lock in the lower left hand corner of the drives icons. Those two drives can not be opened because the message is that i don't have permission to see the contents. These are HFS+ formatted volumes, or ? While logged into your administrator account, do a get info on the volumes. Open the Ownership Permissions section then the Details area. Click on the padlock to unlock the settings. Then make sure you're the owner and that you have Read+Write permissions. (Group and Others' settings won't matter unless you're using a different account from which to access the volumes.) If that doesn't fix things, then show us the output of this command, issued in Terminal: ls -al /Volumes/ At 7:07 AM -0700 10/6/2010, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: Have you tried enabling root and booting up into it? huh? What's the point of going to root? Exactly what is your thinking here? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: i am locked out
On 10-10-06 9:10 AM, Dan wrote: These are HFS+ formatted volumes, or ? While logged into your administrator account, do a get info on the volumes. Open the Ownership Permissions section then the Details area. Click on the padlock to unlock the settings. Then make sure you're the owner and that you have Read+Write permissions. (Group and Others' settings won't matter unless you're using a different account from which to access the volumes.) If that doesn't fix things, then show us the output of this command, issued in Terminal: ls -al /Volumes/ The firewired hard drive has the GUID partition. Command+I shows that i have Custom access. When I tried to change those settings they revert to Custom access. I ticked on the Ignore ownership on this volume but still locked out. I have never used Terminal because the name in itself strikes fear in me because as you can see i can do damage to hard drives on my own: just exactly what do i do to use Terminal, please? -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: i am locked out
On 06/10/10 08:10PDT, Dan wrote: At 7:07 AM -0700 10/6/2010, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: Have you tried enabling root and booting up into it? huh? What's the point of going to root? Exactly what is your thinking here? Because it is more Mac than is Terminal. Fortunately, I've only had to use it twice in the last 9 years. If one is at home in Unix, then yes, I'd say use Terminal. However, I'm not and Walter may not be, so I'd try using the root account to change the permissions in the Get Info box of the drive, then log out of root and back into my normal admin account. However, Walter may prefer to use your Terminal procedure. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: i am locked out
Title: Re: i am locked out At 9:27 AM -0600 10/6/2010, Walter Sheluk wrote: On 10-10-06 9:10 AM, Dan wrote: These are HFS+ formatted volumes, or ? While logged into your administrator account, do a get info on the volumes. Open the Ownership Permissions section then the Details area. Click on the padlock to unlock the settings. Then make sure you're the owner and that you have Read+Write permissions. (Group and Others' settings won't matter unless you're using a different account from which to access the volumes.) If that doesn't fix things, then show us the output of this command, issued in Terminal: ls -al /Volumes/ The firewired hard drive has the GUID partition. Not what I asked. The format of the partition map on the hard drive is moot - if it was foo you wouldn't be seeing any of those volumes mounted. I need to know what type of file system is on the drive's volumes. Are they HFS+, NTFS, FAT, or ? It doesn't matter that your cereal is in a box or a bag, I need to know if it's made of wheat or oats! Aside: You can view your full partition map from Terminal with the command diskutil list I have never used Terminal because the name in itself strikes fear in me because as you can see i can do damage to hard drives on my own: just exactly what do i do to use Terminal, please? Terminal is nothing to be afraid of. It is simply an application that gives you access to the command line interface (CLI). The shell is a text-only interface that can be far more versatile than the pretty GUI you're used to. The name Terminal comes from the use of dumb terminals (CRTs, teletypes, etc), back in the old days. Select and Copy (cmd-C) the command line I gave you, just like you would any other text. Launch Terminal.app (it's in /Applications/Utilities). Paste the command line into Terminal (cmd-V). Copy the results and paste them into your reply here. Here is the command again, plus the diskutil one. Just copy them both together, as-is. (as-is is important as most commands in the shell are case sensitive. By copying and pasting the commands, instead of trying to type them yourself, you eliminate the possibility of typos, 1 vs l, o vs 0, a vs A, etc.) diskutil list ls -al /Volumes Here's what it looks like on my system: dan$ ls -al /Volumes/ total 8 drwxrwxrwt 5 root admin 170 Oct 6 10:02 . drwxrwxr-t 35 root admin 1292 Oct 5 20:40 .. lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 1 Oct 1 14:14 MacHD - / drwxrwxr-T 27 root admin 1020 Jul 31 10:38 Stuff drwx-- 21 dan dan 816 Oct 6 10:10 focus dans-smurftower:~ dan$ There are some great tutorials here http://osxfaq.com/Tutorials/LearningCenter/index.ws that will teach you how to do all sorts of useful things from the shell. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: i am locked out
On Oct 6, 2010, at 7:07 AM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: Suggestions/help required please. Have you tried enabling root and booting up into it? You should then be able to change the permissions. For a variety of reasons, enabling root to have login permissions is a Very Bad Idea. Don't do that; you can render vast chunks of your system unavailable to other users and open countless security holes in file permissions and ownership. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: i am locked out
At 10:13 AM -0700 10/6/2010, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: On 06/10/10 09:38PDT, Bruce Johnson wrote: Have you tried enabling root and booting up into it? You should then be able to change the permissions. For a variety of reasons, enabling root to have login permissions is a Very Bad Idea. Don't do that; you can render vast chunks of your system unavailable to other users and open countless security holes in file permissions and ownership. Ditto Terminal, IF you are not careful. There is a big difference between Terminal and a fully rooted account. The rooted account totally ignores all system protections ALL THE TIME - in both the file systems on disk and and in the running OS itself. A tiny slip destroys things. Terminal, OTOH, is simply a NORMAL command line interface. It is no more risky than using Finder and your normal apps. It isn't rooted, until you use a sudo command -- and then it's JUST that one command (sudo -s excluded, which creates a rooted shell). - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: i am locked out
On 06/10/10 10:34PDT, Dan wrote: At 10:13 AM -0700 10/6/2010, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: On 06/10/10 09:38PDT, Bruce Johnson wrote: Have you tried enabling root and booting up into it? You should then be able to change the permissions. For a variety of reasons, enabling root to have login permissions is a Very Bad Idea. Don't do that; you can render vast chunks of your system unavailable to other users and open countless security holes in file permissions and ownership. Ditto Terminal, IF you are not careful. There is a big difference between Terminal and a fully rooted account. The rooted account totally ignores all system protections ALL THE TIME - in both the file systems on disk and and in the running OS itself. A tiny slip destroys things. PRECISELY why it is to be used as the LAST resort. Terminal, OTOH, is simply a NORMAL command line interface. It is no more risky than using Finder and your normal apps. It isn't rooted, until you use a sudo command -- and then it's JUST that one command (sudo -s excluded, which creates a rooted shell). May be normal for you Unix geeks, but not for most. I don't know Unix so I don't use Terminal. However, the fact that when I used root it was the normal Mac GUI allowed me to do what I could not do in Terminal. But as I said before, I was extremely careful and only did the one action; I then immediately logged out of root and disbled it again. Of course it is also the fact that root uses the Mac GUI that makes it extremely dangerous per to your explanation above. As I said, Walter should try your step-by-step suggestion; if he doesn't want to take a chance doing that, then perhaps he should just take his Mac into an Apple Store and let them fix the permissions problem. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: i am locked out
Boot into the installation Media and reset your password using the reset password utility. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: i am locked out
On 10-10-06 12:58 PM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: he should just take his Mac into an Apple Store and let them fix the permissions problem. And that is what i did to day. Thanks one and all for all the help and interest in my problem. Walter -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: i am locked out
On 06/10/10 20:37PDT, Walter Sheluk wrote: On 10-10-06 12:58 PM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: he should just take his Mac into an Apple Store and let them fix the permissions problem. And that is what i did to day. Thanks one and all for all the help and interest in my problem. Good to hear you got it fixed. Do you happen to know what the Apple Store did to fix it? -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: i am locked out
On 10-10-06 10:14 PM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: Good to hear you got it fixed. Do you happen to know what the Apple Store did to fix it? I left him in tears. No just kidding. He is installing another drive i had into a FW enclosure and will transfer the audio/video data from the locked FW drive. Will call me when ready and give me idea what he did. While i was there he showed me some of the stuff you guys were talking about and I am glad i never tried any of those because you really have to know how to pilot your way around. Walter -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
