Re: JSP Tools
Whenever I'm running java file; I'm getting the error java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError Thanks in advance >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/21/04 01:53PM >>> The JCP is NOT mostly controlled by SUN as you claim. Simply navigate http://jcp.org and peruse the JSR's. You'll see many of the specification leads are non-Sun employees. example: JSR 29 "JAIN MAP" is led by Ericsson, Inc. and the expert group consists of many different firms. heck, one JSR listed AOL (america on-line) as the expert group -- go figure...?? -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Rozlog Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 1:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: JSP Tools Actually, Java is not open. I don't mean to start a major fight, but the admission that Java is owned by Sun and the JCP is still mostly controlled by Sun and it has never been given to any standards committee in actuality makes it fairly closed. However, on the hand, Microsoft has submitted the .NET platform to ECMA standard body and it has a rival / open source competitor called Mono (owned by Novell) but still open http://www.mono-project.com/about/mono-roadmap.html. So from strictly a standards point of view .NET is technically more open then Java. By the by, isn't the fact that Sun sued Microsoft because it made a different version of Java, which to this day Microsoft has not sued the Mono project for porting the .NET platform to Linux also sort of a wake up call? Now as far as making changes to the frameworks in question, I have no doubt that the JCP is more open to the community then currently is available from Microsoft. However, Microsoft makes a great point, by stating that by them controlling the framework it will not have the bloat like Java, but we will have to wait and see... because as they add more features the .NET platform it will expand and may very well become bloated, just like Java is today. Mike - Original Message - From: "Lykins Don H Contr AFSAC/ITS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:49 PM Subject: Re: JSP Tools > don't get caught up in the .Net HYPE! > stick with a standards based approach that's more "open" than .Net. > > Realizing of course J2EE is still owned by SUN but controlled by JCP.org, but it is still more "open" than .Net > > still with open standards (J2EE) and open source! > > -Original Message- > From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of lee hwaying > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:47 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: JSP Tools > > > i have started the state of art in developing MVC more than 1 month now > using > > tomcat, > java, > jsf > > and in comparison > asp.net > c# > > and found .net has great strength in competition as you can download asp.net > for free. it is a mature jsf in comparison, to get a paging done is faily > straight forward in asp.net. file uploads are a breeze. i wonder whether is > time to migrate to .net. As now you can get the .net framework for free as > well. and every pc come with personal web server. > > and one more thing, it is fairly the same price for the web hosting for > both. > > any thoughts? > > >From: John Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: John Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: JSP Tools > >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:59:41 +0100 > > > >Thank-you for the recommendation. I have been trying to get my head around > >JDeveloper over the last few days. It looks hopeful once I can master it. > >Once I have done that I shall download the trial and try JavaServer Faces, > >but > >I think that two at once will be too much! > > > >John > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Mark Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:47 PM > >Don't forget about JavaServer Faces and the nice tools like Java Studio > >Creator: > > http://wwws.sun.com/software/products/jscreator/ > > > >Michael Rozlog wrote: > > > Look at JBuilder Developer > > > Visual Servlets, JSP, and Struts designers really lower the amount of > >code. > > > Plus, it has a nice integration with JUnit that helps with the unit > >testing. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "John Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:52 AM > > >>I use an Oracle database running on HP Unix. Currently I am working to > &g
Re: JSP Tools
Michael, I'm a bit biased, since I'm a Sun employee, but I can't resist... Java is by no means closed, and Sun does not control it. It is an industry-wide effort. Every change to Java goes through a relatively light-weight process called the JCP and starts with a Java Specification Request (JSR). Just look at any major JSR on http://jcp.org/ and see how many companies and even individual experts collaborate on all new Java technologies. For example, JSP has over 30 different companies and experts collaborating. Also, with the Executive Committee (http://jcp.org/en/participation/committee) being chaired by many companies, Sun cannot make a change to Java without the acceptance of the rest of the industry. Don't think that's open enough? Well I have good news for you. The JCP process itself can be (and has been) changed by the community is well. In fact, we're up to Java Community Process 2.6 now, with rave reviews. How's that for open? I think Sun has been a very fair shepard of Java. Looking at .net, anyone who uses it seriously quickly realizes it's tied to Windows and tied to Microsoft. There are few (if any) .net applications that will work in a non-Microsoft environment, which means that Microsoft effectively dictates it. Their 'open' process is little more than Marketing/PR. As for your argument about bloat, last I checked, the development kit for Mono on Linux is 49 MB, compared to the JDK's relatively lean and mean 33 MB. Considering .net is brand new and Java has been around since 1995, that's quite impressive in my book. And if past performance (e.g. Windows, MS-Office) is any indicator of the future behavior, I think we can predict what will happen to .net over time. Of course you're missing the biggest plus for Java, and that is that it runs on every operating system, and that Java is committed to cross-platform compatibility. Java puts the choice in your hands. No lock-ins. You have the freedom to choose your hardware, OS, server, software, development tools, and just about everything else. --- Mark Roth, Staff Engineer, Java Software JSP 2.0 / 2.1 Specification Lead Java Enterprise Community Leader http://community.java.net/java-enterprise Sun Microsystems, Inc. Michael Rozlog wrote: Actually, Java is not open. I don't mean to start a major fight, but the admission that Java is owned by Sun and the JCP is still mostly controlled by Sun and it has never been given to any standards committee in actuality makes it fairly closed. However, on the hand, Microsoft has submitted the .NET platform to ECMA standard body and it has a rival / open source competitor called Mono (owned by Novell) but still open http://www.mono-project.com/about/mono-roadmap.html. So from strictly a standards point of view .NET is technically more open then Java. By the by, isn't the fact that Sun sued Microsoft because it made a different version of Java, which to this day Microsoft has not sued the Mono project for porting the .NET platform to Linux also sort of a wake up call? Now as far as making changes to the frameworks in question, I have no doubt that the JCP is more open to the community then currently is available from Microsoft. However, Microsoft makes a great point, by stating that by them controlling the framework it will not have the bloat like Java, but we will have to wait and see... because as they add more features the .NET platform it will expand and may very well become bloated, just like Java is today. Mike === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://forums.java.sun.com http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: JSP Tools
You mis-understood my context, the JCP is controlled by Sun and the Executive committee and the PMO. The JSR can be established by any individual, group, or company but the final word comes down to Sun, EC, and PMO. The JSR are fine, but again as a side note Microsoft also has an executive committee to establish direction for the .NET platform, however it is not near as open to the public as the JCP is. Again, I'm not saying the JCP is bad, I'm just pointing out that Microsoft has filed a standard for .NET and that they also have a way to change or modify the .NET platform. Mike - Original Message - From: "Lykins Don H Contr AFSAC/ITS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 1:53 PM Subject: Re: JSP Tools > The JCP is NOT mostly controlled by SUN as you claim. > Simply navigate http://jcp.org and peruse the JSR's. > You'll see many of the specification leads are non-Sun employees. > > example: JSR 29 "JAIN MAP" is led by Ericsson, Inc. > and the expert group consists of many different firms. > > heck, one JSR listed AOL (america on-line) as the expert group -- go figure...?? > > > > -Original Message- > From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Rozlog > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 1:43 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: JSP Tools > > > Actually, Java is not open. I don't mean to start a major fight, but the > admission that Java is owned by Sun and the JCP is still mostly controlled > by Sun and it has never been given to any standards committee in actuality > makes it fairly closed. However, on the hand, Microsoft has submitted the > .NET platform to ECMA standard body and it has a rival / open source > competitor called Mono (owned by Novell) but still open > http://www.mono-project.com/about/mono-roadmap.html. So from strictly a > standards point of view .NET is technically more open then Java. By the by, > isn't the fact that Sun sued Microsoft because it made a different version > of Java, which to this day Microsoft has not sued the Mono project for > porting the .NET platform to Linux also sort of a wake up call? > > Now as far as making changes to the frameworks in question, I have no doubt > that the JCP is more open to the community then currently is available from > Microsoft. However, Microsoft makes a great point, by stating that by them > controlling the framework it will not have the bloat like Java, but we will > have to wait and see... because as they add more features the .NET platform > it will expand and may very well become bloated, just like Java is today. > > Mike > - Original Message - > From: "Lykins Don H Contr AFSAC/ITS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:49 PM > Subject: Re: JSP Tools > > > > don't get caught up in the .Net HYPE! > > stick with a standards based approach that's more "open" than .Net. > > > > Realizing of course J2EE is still owned by SUN but controlled by JCP.org, > but it is still more "open" than .Net > > > > still with open standards (J2EE) and open source! > > > > -Original Message- > > From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of lee hwaying > > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:47 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: JSP Tools > > > > > > i have started the state of art in developing MVC more than 1 month now > > using > > > > tomcat, > > java, > > jsf > > > > and in comparison > > asp.net > > c# > > > > and found .net has great strength in competition as you can download > asp.net > > for free. it is a mature jsf in comparison, to get a paging done is faily > > straight forward in asp.net. file uploads are a breeze. i wonder whether > is > > time to migrate to .net. As now you can get the .net framework for free as > > well. and every pc come with personal web server. > > > > and one more thing, it is fairly the same price for the web hosting for > > both. > > > > any thoughts? > > > > >From: John Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: John Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: JSP Tools > > >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:59:41 +0100 > > > > > >Thank-you for the recommendation. I have been trying to get my head > around > > >JDeveloper over the last few days. It looks ho
Re: JSP Tools
The JCP is NOT mostly controlled by SUN as you claim. Simply navigate http://jcp.org and peruse the JSR's. You'll see many of the specification leads are non-Sun employees. example: JSR 29 "JAIN MAP" is led by Ericsson, Inc. and the expert group consists of many different firms. heck, one JSR listed AOL (america on-line) as the expert group -- go figure...?? -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Rozlog Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 1:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: JSP Tools Actually, Java is not open. I don't mean to start a major fight, but the admission that Java is owned by Sun and the JCP is still mostly controlled by Sun and it has never been given to any standards committee in actuality makes it fairly closed. However, on the hand, Microsoft has submitted the .NET platform to ECMA standard body and it has a rival / open source competitor called Mono (owned by Novell) but still open http://www.mono-project.com/about/mono-roadmap.html. So from strictly a standards point of view .NET is technically more open then Java. By the by, isn't the fact that Sun sued Microsoft because it made a different version of Java, which to this day Microsoft has not sued the Mono project for porting the .NET platform to Linux also sort of a wake up call? Now as far as making changes to the frameworks in question, I have no doubt that the JCP is more open to the community then currently is available from Microsoft. However, Microsoft makes a great point, by stating that by them controlling the framework it will not have the bloat like Java, but we will have to wait and see... because as they add more features the .NET platform it will expand and may very well become bloated, just like Java is today. Mike - Original Message - From: "Lykins Don H Contr AFSAC/ITS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:49 PM Subject: Re: JSP Tools > don't get caught up in the .Net HYPE! > stick with a standards based approach that's more "open" than .Net. > > Realizing of course J2EE is still owned by SUN but controlled by JCP.org, but it is still more "open" than .Net > > still with open standards (J2EE) and open source! > > -Original Message- > From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of lee hwaying > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:47 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: JSP Tools > > > i have started the state of art in developing MVC more than 1 month now > using > > tomcat, > java, > jsf > > and in comparison > asp.net > c# > > and found .net has great strength in competition as you can download asp.net > for free. it is a mature jsf in comparison, to get a paging done is faily > straight forward in asp.net. file uploads are a breeze. i wonder whether is > time to migrate to .net. As now you can get the .net framework for free as > well. and every pc come with personal web server. > > and one more thing, it is fairly the same price for the web hosting for > both. > > any thoughts? > > >From: John Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: John Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: JSP Tools > >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:59:41 +0100 > > > >Thank-you for the recommendation. I have been trying to get my head around > >JDeveloper over the last few days. It looks hopeful once I can master it. > >Once I have done that I shall download the trial and try JavaServer Faces, > >but > >I think that two at once will be too much! > > > >John > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Mark Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:47 PM > >Don't forget about JavaServer Faces and the nice tools like Java Studio > >Creator: > > http://wwws.sun.com/software/products/jscreator/ > > > >Michael Rozlog wrote: > > > Look at JBuilder Developer > > > Visual Servlets, JSP, and Struts designers really lower the amount of > >code. > > > Plus, it has a nice integration with JUnit that helps with the unit > >testing. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "John Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:52 AM > > >>I use an Oracle database running on HP Unix. Currently I am working to > > > migrate all of the UI to web based, thus giving my PC support colleagues > >the > >thin > > >>client they would prefer! So far I have been usin
Re: JSP Tools
Actually, Java is not open. I don't mean to start a major fight, but the admission that Java is owned by Sun and the JCP is still mostly controlled by Sun and it has never been given to any standards committee in actuality makes it fairly closed. However, on the hand, Microsoft has submitted the .NET platform to ECMA standard body and it has a rival / open source competitor called Mono (owned by Novell) but still open http://www.mono-project.com/about/mono-roadmap.html. So from strictly a standards point of view .NET is technically more open then Java. By the by, isn't the fact that Sun sued Microsoft because it made a different version of Java, which to this day Microsoft has not sued the Mono project for porting the .NET platform to Linux also sort of a wake up call? Now as far as making changes to the frameworks in question, I have no doubt that the JCP is more open to the community then currently is available from Microsoft. However, Microsoft makes a great point, by stating that by them controlling the framework it will not have the bloat like Java, but we will have to wait and see... because as they add more features the .NET platform it will expand and may very well become bloated, just like Java is today. Mike - Original Message - From: "Lykins Don H Contr AFSAC/ITS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:49 PM Subject: Re: JSP Tools > don't get caught up in the .Net HYPE! > stick with a standards based approach that's more "open" than .Net. > > Realizing of course J2EE is still owned by SUN but controlled by JCP.org, but it is still more "open" than .Net > > still with open standards (J2EE) and open source! > > -Original Message- > From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of lee hwaying > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:47 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: JSP Tools > > > i have started the state of art in developing MVC more than 1 month now > using > > tomcat, > java, > jsf > > and in comparison > asp.net > c# > > and found .net has great strength in competition as you can download asp.net > for free. it is a mature jsf in comparison, to get a paging done is faily > straight forward in asp.net. file uploads are a breeze. i wonder whether is > time to migrate to .net. As now you can get the .net framework for free as > well. and every pc come with personal web server. > > and one more thing, it is fairly the same price for the web hosting for > both. > > any thoughts? > > >From: John Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: John Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: JSP Tools > >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:59:41 +0100 > > > >Thank-you for the recommendation. I have been trying to get my head around > >JDeveloper over the last few days. It looks hopeful once I can master it. > >Once I have done that I shall download the trial and try JavaServer Faces, > >but > >I think that two at once will be too much! > > > >John > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Mark Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:47 PM > >Don't forget about JavaServer Faces and the nice tools like Java Studio > >Creator: > > http://wwws.sun.com/software/products/jscreator/ > > > >Michael Rozlog wrote: > > > Look at JBuilder Developer > > > Visual Servlets, JSP, and Struts designers really lower the amount of > >code. > > > Plus, it has a nice integration with JUnit that helps with the unit > >testing. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "John Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:52 AM > > >>I use an Oracle database running on HP Unix. Currently I am working to > > > migrate all of the UI to web based, thus giving my PC support colleagues > >the > >thin > > >>client they would prefer! So far I have been using vi to create all of > >the > > >>server side scripts, but I can see a lot of work ahead. Now I get to > >the > > >>point! I've looked at a number of design tools but am stil at a loss as > > > to which would be the most suitable so I come to the list asking your > > > opinions. > > >>I am sure that you will each have your favorites ;-) but would you care > >to > > >>offer opinions as to what might suit my needs and what will not? I > >would > > > like to at least ruduce the number of products that I need to ev
Re: JSP Tools
a good reference to compare .Net vs J2EE is an article I wrote: Enterprise Wars: J2EE vs .Net http://www.bijonline.com/Article.asp?ArticleID=475 -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of lee hwaying Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: JSP Tools i have started the state of art in developing MVC more than 1 month now using tomcat, java, jsf and in comparison asp.net c# and found .net has great strength in competition as you can download asp.net for free. it is a mature jsf in comparison, to get a paging done is faily straight forward in asp.net. file uploads are a breeze. i wonder whether is time to migrate to .net. As now you can get the .net framework for free as well. and every pc come with personal web server. and one more thing, it is fairly the same price for the web hosting for both. any thoughts? >From: John Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: John Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: JSP Tools >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:59:41 +0100 > >Thank-you for the recommendation. I have been trying to get my head around >JDeveloper over the last few days. It looks hopeful once I can master it. >Once I have done that I shall download the trial and try JavaServer Faces, >but >I think that two at once will be too much! > >John > >- Original Message - >From: "Mark Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:47 PM >Don't forget about JavaServer Faces and the nice tools like Java Studio >Creator: > http://wwws.sun.com/software/products/jscreator/ > >Michael Rozlog wrote: > > Look at JBuilder Developer > > Visual Servlets, JSP, and Struts designers really lower the amount of >code. > > Plus, it has a nice integration with JUnit that helps with the unit >testing. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "John Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:52 AM > >>I use an Oracle database running on HP Unix. Currently I am working to > > migrate all of the UI to web based, thus giving my PC support colleagues >the >thin > >>client they would prefer! So far I have been using vi to create all of >the > >>server side scripts, but I can see a lot of work ahead. Now I get to >the > >>point! I've looked at a number of design tools but am stil at a loss as > > to which would be the most suitable so I come to the list asking your > > opinions. > >>I am sure that you will each have your favorites ;-) but would you care >to > >>offer opinions as to what might suit my needs and what will not? I >would > > like to at least ruduce the number of products that I need to evaluate! > >=== >To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff >JSP-INTEREST". >For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST >DIGEST". > >Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: > > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp > http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html > http://forums.java.sun.com > http://www.jspinsider.com _ Are you in love? Find a date on MSN Personals http://match.msn.com.my/ === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://forums.java.sun.com http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://forums.java.sun.com http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: JSP Tools
don't get caught up in the .Net HYPE! stick with a standards based approach that's more "open" than .Net. Realizing of course J2EE is still owned by SUN but controlled by JCP.org, but it is still more "open" than .Net still with open standards (J2EE) and open source! -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of lee hwaying Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: JSP Tools i have started the state of art in developing MVC more than 1 month now using tomcat, java, jsf and in comparison asp.net c# and found .net has great strength in competition as you can download asp.net for free. it is a mature jsf in comparison, to get a paging done is faily straight forward in asp.net. file uploads are a breeze. i wonder whether is time to migrate to .net. As now you can get the .net framework for free as well. and every pc come with personal web server. and one more thing, it is fairly the same price for the web hosting for both. any thoughts? >From: John Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: John Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: JSP Tools >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:59:41 +0100 > >Thank-you for the recommendation. I have been trying to get my head around >JDeveloper over the last few days. It looks hopeful once I can master it. >Once I have done that I shall download the trial and try JavaServer Faces, >but >I think that two at once will be too much! > >John > >- Original Message - >From: "Mark Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:47 PM >Don't forget about JavaServer Faces and the nice tools like Java Studio >Creator: > http://wwws.sun.com/software/products/jscreator/ > >Michael Rozlog wrote: > > Look at JBuilder Developer > > Visual Servlets, JSP, and Struts designers really lower the amount of >code. > > Plus, it has a nice integration with JUnit that helps with the unit >testing. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "John Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:52 AM > >>I use an Oracle database running on HP Unix. Currently I am working to > > migrate all of the UI to web based, thus giving my PC support colleagues >the >thin > >>client they would prefer! So far I have been using vi to create all of >the > >>server side scripts, but I can see a lot of work ahead. Now I get to >the > >>point! I've looked at a number of design tools but am stil at a loss as > > to which would be the most suitable so I come to the list asking your > > opinions. > >>I am sure that you will each have your favorites ;-) but would you care >to > >>offer opinions as to what might suit my needs and what will not? I >would > > like to at least ruduce the number of products that I need to evaluate! > >=== >To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff >JSP-INTEREST". >For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST >DIGEST". > >Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: > > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp > http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html > http://forums.java.sun.com > http://www.jspinsider.com _ Are you in love? Find a date on MSN Personals http://match.msn.com.my/ === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://forums.java.sun.com http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://forums.java.sun.com http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: JSP Tools
i have started the state of art in developing MVC more than 1 month now using tomcat, java, jsf and in comparison asp.net c# and found .net has great strength in competition as you can download asp.net for free. it is a mature jsf in comparison, to get a paging done is faily straight forward in asp.net. file uploads are a breeze. i wonder whether is time to migrate to .net. As now you can get the .net framework for free as well. and every pc come with personal web server. and one more thing, it is fairly the same price for the web hosting for both. any thoughts? From: John Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: John Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: JSP Tools Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:59:41 +0100 Thank-you for the recommendation. I have been trying to get my head around JDeveloper over the last few days. It looks hopeful once I can master it. Once I have done that I shall download the trial and try JavaServer Faces, but I think that two at once will be too much! John - Original Message - From: "Mark Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:47 PM Don't forget about JavaServer Faces and the nice tools like Java Studio Creator: http://wwws.sun.com/software/products/jscreator/ Michael Rozlog wrote: > Look at JBuilder Developer > Visual Servlets, JSP, and Struts designers really lower the amount of code. > Plus, it has a nice integration with JUnit that helps with the unit testing. > > - Original Message - > From: "John Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:52 AM >>I use an Oracle database running on HP Unix. Currently I am working to > migrate all of the UI to web based, thus giving my PC support colleagues the thin >>client they would prefer! So far I have been using vi to create all of the >>server side scripts, but I can see a lot of work ahead. Now I get to the >>point! I've looked at a number of design tools but am stil at a loss as > to which would be the most suitable so I come to the list asking your > opinions. >>I am sure that you will each have your favorites ;-) but would you care to >>offer opinions as to what might suit my needs and what will not? I would > like to at least ruduce the number of products that I need to evaluate! === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://forums.java.sun.com http://www.jspinsider.com _ Are you in love? Find a date on MSN Personals http://match.msn.com.my/ === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://forums.java.sun.com http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: JSP Tools
Thank-you for the recommendation. I have been trying to get my head around JDeveloper over the last few days. It looks hopeful once I can master it. Once I have done that I shall download the trial and try JavaServer Faces, but I think that two at once will be too much! John - Original Message - From: "Mark Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:47 PM Don't forget about JavaServer Faces and the nice tools like Java Studio Creator: http://wwws.sun.com/software/products/jscreator/ Michael Rozlog wrote: > Look at JBuilder Developer > Visual Servlets, JSP, and Struts designers really lower the amount of code. > Plus, it has a nice integration with JUnit that helps with the unit testing. > > - Original Message - > From: "John Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:52 AM >>I use an Oracle database running on HP Unix. Currently I am working to > migrate all of the UI to web based, thus giving my PC support colleagues the thin >>client they would prefer! So far I have been using vi to create all of the >>server side scripts, but I can see a lot of work ahead. Now I get to the >>point! I've looked at a number of design tools but am stil at a loss as > to which would be the most suitable so I come to the list asking your > opinions. >>I am sure that you will each have your favorites ;-) but would you care to >>offer opinions as to what might suit my needs and what will not? I would > like to at least ruduce the number of products that I need to evaluate! === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://forums.java.sun.com http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: JSP Tools
Hi Lee, You may want to look at Faces Console. It is a free tool for working with JavaServer Faces configuration files that can be run standalone or used with several popular IDEs. http://www.jamesholmes.com/JavaServerFaces/ Hope that helps, James -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lee hwaying Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 2:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: JSP Tools is there any free tools out there for JSF? regards hy >From: Mark Roth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and >reference <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: JSP Tools >Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:47:33 -0400 > >Don't forget about JavaServer Faces and the nice tools like Java Studio >Creator: > > http://wwws.sun.com/software/products/jscreator/ > >- Mark > >Michael Rozlog wrote: >>Look at JBuilder Developer >> >>Visual Servlets, JSP, and Struts designers really lower the amount of >>code. >>Plus, it has a nice integration with JUnit that helps with the unit >>testing. >> >>Hope this helps, >> >>Mike >> >>- Original Message - >>From: "John Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:52 AM >>Subject: JSP Tools >> >> >> >>>I use an Oracle database running on HP Unix. Currently I am working to >> >>migrate >> >>>all of the UI to web based, thus giving my PC support colleagues the thin >>>client they would prefer! So far I have been using vi to create all of >> >>the >> >>>server side scripts, but I can see a lot of work ahead. Now I get to the >>>point! I've looked at a number of design tools but am stil at a loss as >> >>to >> >>>which would be the most suitable so I come to the list asking your >> >>opinions. >> >>>I am sure that you will each have your favorites ;-) but would you care >>>to >>>offer opinions as to what might suit my needs and what will not? I would >> >>like >> >>>to at least ruduce the number of products that I need to evaluate! >>> >>>Many thanks >>>John >>> >>> >> >>== = >> >>>To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff >> >>JSP-INTEREST". >> >>>For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST >> >>DIGEST". >> >>>Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: >>> >>>http://java.sun.com/products/jsp >>>http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html >>>http://forums.java.sun.com >>>http://www.jspinsider.com >> >> >>== = >>To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff >>JSP-INTEREST". >>For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST >>DIGEST". >> >>Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: >> >> http://java.sun.com/products/jsp >> http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html >> http://forums.java.sun.com >> http://www.jspinsider.com > >=== >To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff >JSP-INTEREST". >For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST >DIGEST". > >Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: > >http://java.sun.com/products/jsp >http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html >http://forums.java.sun.com >http://www.jspinsider.com _ Download ringtones, logos and picture messages from MSN Malaysia http://www.msn.com.my/mobile/ringtones/default.asp === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://forums.java.sun.com http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://forums.java.sun.com http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: JSP Tools
is there any free tools out there for JSF? regards hy From: Mark Roth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: JSP Tools Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:47:33 -0400 Don't forget about JavaServer Faces and the nice tools like Java Studio Creator: http://wwws.sun.com/software/products/jscreator/ - Mark Michael Rozlog wrote: Look at JBuilder Developer Visual Servlets, JSP, and Struts designers really lower the amount of code. Plus, it has a nice integration with JUnit that helps with the unit testing. Hope this helps, Mike - Original Message - From: "John Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:52 AM Subject: JSP Tools I use an Oracle database running on HP Unix. Currently I am working to migrate all of the UI to web based, thus giving my PC support colleagues the thin client they would prefer! So far I have been using vi to create all of the server side scripts, but I can see a lot of work ahead. Now I get to the point! I've looked at a number of design tools but am stil at a loss as to which would be the most suitable so I come to the list asking your opinions. I am sure that you will each have your favorites ;-) but would you care to offer opinions as to what might suit my needs and what will not? I would like to at least ruduce the number of products that I need to evaluate! Many thanks John === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://forums.java.sun.com http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://forums.java.sun.com http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://forums.java.sun.com http://www.jspinsider.com _ Download ringtones, logos and picture messages from MSN Malaysia http://www.msn.com.my/mobile/ringtones/default.asp === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://forums.java.sun.com http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: JSP Tools
Don't forget about JavaServer Faces and the nice tools like Java Studio Creator: http://wwws.sun.com/software/products/jscreator/ - Mark Michael Rozlog wrote: Look at JBuilder Developer Visual Servlets, JSP, and Struts designers really lower the amount of code. Plus, it has a nice integration with JUnit that helps with the unit testing. Hope this helps, Mike - Original Message - From: "John Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:52 AM Subject: JSP Tools I use an Oracle database running on HP Unix. Currently I am working to migrate all of the UI to web based, thus giving my PC support colleagues the thin client they would prefer! So far I have been using vi to create all of the server side scripts, but I can see a lot of work ahead. Now I get to the point! I've looked at a number of design tools but am stil at a loss as to which would be the most suitable so I come to the list asking your opinions. I am sure that you will each have your favorites ;-) but would you care to offer opinions as to what might suit my needs and what will not? I would like to at least ruduce the number of products that I need to evaluate! Many thanks John === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://forums.java.sun.com http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://forums.java.sun.com http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://forums.java.sun.com http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: JSP Tools
Look at JBuilder Developer Visual Servlets, JSP, and Struts designers really lower the amount of code. Plus, it has a nice integration with JUnit that helps with the unit testing. Hope this helps, Mike - Original Message - From: "John Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:52 AM Subject: JSP Tools > I use an Oracle database running on HP Unix. Currently I am working to migrate > all of the UI to web based, thus giving my PC support colleagues the thin > client they would prefer! So far I have been using vi to create all of the > server side scripts, but I can see a lot of work ahead. Now I get to the > point! I've looked at a number of design tools but am stil at a loss as to > which would be the most suitable so I come to the list asking your opinions. > I am sure that you will each have your favorites ;-) but would you care to > offer opinions as to what might suit my needs and what will not? I would like > to at least ruduce the number of products that I need to evaluate! > > Many thanks > John > > === > To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". > For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". > > Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: > > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp > http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html > http://forums.java.sun.com > http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant archives, FAQs and Forums on JSPs can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://forums.java.sun.com http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: JSP Tools
Try JBuilder's enterprise edition Vinay Talwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matthew Schroeder cc: Sent by: A Subject: JSP Tools mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference 02/27/01 03:21 AM Please respond to A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference Does JSP have development tools available of the caliber that Microsoft provides for ASP? Either already released or in development? Sincerely, Matthew Schroeder PMAI Software Developer Phone: 517-788--8100 ext. 352 "For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism." -Anonymous Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie!'... till you can find a rock. === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: JSP Tools
Jbuilder 4.0 has the feature to debug JSPs and it's quite good. -Original Message- From: Rishabh Agarwal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 5:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: JSP Tools Can consider using Jdeveloper 3.0 from Oracle. Has support for debugging of the JSP's. Jbuilder 3.5 from Borland is also good..but does not have debugging features for JSP's. Cheers. -Original Message- From: Scott Koon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 4:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: JSP Tools yes and no. Yes, JSP has many development tools (Forte from Sun supports JSP's, I believe that Visual Cafe supports JSP's as well). but No, none of them (IMHO) are up to the caliber of IDE's that Microsoft provides for any of it's development tools (e.g. the Visual Basic IDE, Visual Interdev, etc...). I'm using a text editor to write my JSP's and calling JavaBeans whenever possible from them. This allows me to create a swing test harness for the beans in forte and debug them in there. -Original Message- From: Matthew Schroeder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: JSP Tools Does JSP have development tools available of the caliber that Microsoft provides for ASP? Either already released or in development? Sincerely, Matthew Schroeder PMAI Software Developer Phone: 517-788--8100 ext. 352 "For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism." -Anonymous Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie!'... till you can find a rock. === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: JSP Tools
Can consider using Jdeveloper 3.0 from Oracle. Has support for debugging of the JSP's. Jbuilder 3.5 from Borland is also good..but does not have debugging features for JSP's. Cheers. -Original Message- From: Scott Koon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 4:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: JSP Tools yes and no. Yes, JSP has many development tools (Forte from Sun supports JSP's, I believe that Visual Cafe supports JSP's as well). but No, none of them (IMHO) are up to the caliber of IDE's that Microsoft provides for any of it's development tools (e.g. the Visual Basic IDE, Visual Interdev, etc...). I'm using a text editor to write my JSP's and calling JavaBeans whenever possible from them. This allows me to create a swing test harness for the beans in forte and debug them in there. -Original Message- From: Matthew Schroeder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: JSP Tools Does JSP have development tools available of the caliber that Microsoft provides for ASP? Either already released or in development? Sincerely, Matthew Schroeder PMAI Software Developer Phone: 517-788--8100 ext. 352 "For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism." -Anonymous Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie!'... till you can find a rock. === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: JSP Tools
yes and no. Yes, JSP has many development tools (Forte from Sun supports JSP's, I believe that Visual Cafe supports JSP's as well). but No, none of them (IMHO) are up to the caliber of IDE's that Microsoft provides for any of it's development tools (e.g. the Visual Basic IDE, Visual Interdev, etc...). I'm using a text editor to write my JSP's and calling JavaBeans whenever possible from them. This allows me to create a swing test harness for the beans in forte and debug them in there. -Original Message- From: Matthew Schroeder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: JSP Tools Does JSP have development tools available of the caliber that Microsoft provides for ASP? Either already released or in development? Sincerely, Matthew Schroeder PMAI Software Developer Phone: 517-788--8100 ext. 352 "For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism." -Anonymous Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie!'... till you can find a rock. === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: JSP Tools
Yes. See "The Struts Framework", is part of the Jakarta Project, and it's free: http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/ >From: Matthew Schroeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and > reference <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: JSP Tools >Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:21:24 -0500 > >Does JSP have development tools available of the caliber that Microsoft >provides for ASP? Either already released or in development? > >Sincerely, > >Matthew Schroeder >PMAI >Software Developer >Phone: 517-788--8100 ext. 352 > >"For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism." >-Anonymous >Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie!'... till you can find a rock. > >=== >To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff >JSP-INTEREST". >For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST >DIGEST". >Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: > > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html > http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html > http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP > http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: jsp tools
I just bought Textpad today ($27US). It has syntax definitions for JSP,
JAVA, HTML, VB, C++, XML, you name it. It also has clip libraries for these
languages that you can install that give you common functions/tags to add to
your code. Also, automatically recoginizes when you have the jdk installed
and puts a compile java, run java application, and run java applet menu
item. Pretty cool.
Stuart
-Original Message-
From: Fernando Ribeiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 6:38 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: jsp tools
You will find two different syntax dictionaries in
http://www.textpad.com/add-ons/syntax.html. I like the second one ("JSP
(2)"). It features all the HTML tags, for example, just out of the box.
Textpad syntax dictionaries are simple text files. You can edit it and
add your own statements and classes. They will be, then, highlighted.
fribeiro
Felip Miralles wrote:
>
> Where is the JSP syntax dictionary to download?
> felip
>
> Fernando Ribeiro wrote:
>
> > Take a look at the TextPad text editor. Just download the JSP syntax
> > dictionary and you are ready to go.
> >
> > The best tool Ive ever used. If you want a IDE, Im not sure we have the
> > right product for now. I use VJ++ sometimes to compose but thats all.
> >
> > fribeiro
> >
> > Lee Elenbaas wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.allaire.com/
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and
reference
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chad Pitt
> > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 8:19 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: jsp tools
> > >
> > > Dear All,
> > >
> > > Can anyone tell me where i can download tool or
> > > editor of JSP? doesn't matter free or trial version.
> > > Please help, i really need it desperately.
> > >
> > > thank you
> > > Chad
> > >
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk
> > > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie
> > >
> > >
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Re: jsp tools [some new ones]
Another JSP editing tool is IBM's Websphere Studio. Supports .92 and 1.0 -- seems pretty decent. IBM has it for free eval download (limitation is lack of remote debugging and max 250 pages in any given publish session) at www.software.ibm.com. Scott Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Just learned this today--I've been using my own vim syntax file for JSPs for > a while now, but I was editing a JSP on a machine today that I knew didn't > have my syntax file, but I noticed the JSP file extension was recognized by > vim and the syntax was highlighted. I looked at the syntax files and sure > enough, VIM 5.6 has a JSP syntax file. I like mine better, but, hey . . > > Another tool that has a JSP "mode" is Forte from Sun/Netbeans. I was > exploring that on Linux today. The Community edition has a JSP template. I > didn't get far with it though, as the JVM segfaulted and died right after I > selected the JSP template. So it goes with Java GUIs . . . > > Scott Stirling > West Newton, MA > > > - Original Message - > From: "Fernando Ribeiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 12:44 PM > Subject: Re: jsp tools > > > > Take a look at the TextPad text editor. Just download the JSP syntax > > dictionary and you are ready to go. > > > > The best tool Ive ever used. If you want a IDE, Im not sure we have the > > right product for now. I use VJ++ sometimes to compose but thats all. > > === > To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". > FAQs on JSP can be found at: > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html > http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html -- -rupa === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
Re: jsp tools [some new ones]
if you can spend some money, and do a lot of multi-language programming [sort of a definition of web stuff, what], Visual SlickEdit is slick. it's not an IDE, just a Very Good editor. there is a trial download at www.slickedit.com . you have to do some tweaking to get it to recognize the java stuff distinct from javascript [syntax similarities seem to get in the way]; but they tell me that an update is due soon. they have said in the past that more extensive support for JSP is due, so it might be in this next update. [rest of my group does use Forte Community Edition. for jsp/servlets a good editor is enough.] robert young On Wednesday, February 16, 2000 05:58, Fernando Ribeiro [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > It will take some time till we get something like Microsoft Visual > Interdev, a full-feature IDE for ASP, but do not forget: text editors > have been our best friends for years :-) > > See ya > > fribeiro > > Scott Stirling wrote: > > > > Just learned this today--I've been using my own vim syntax file for JSPs for > > a while now, but I was editing a JSP on a machine today that I knew didn't > > have my syntax file, but I noticed the JSP file extension was recognized by > > vim and the syntax was highlighted. I looked at the syntax files and sure > > enough, VIM 5.6 has a JSP syntax file. I like mine better, but, hey . . > > > > Another tool that has a JSP "mode" is Forte from Sun/Netbeans. I was > > exploring that on Linux today. The Community edition has a JSP template. I > > didn't get far with it though, as the JVM segfaulted and died right after I > > selected the JSP template. So it goes with Java GUIs . . . === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
Re: jsp tools
You will find two different syntax dictionaries in
http://www.textpad.com/add-ons/syntax.html. I like the second one ("JSP
(2)"). It features all the HTML tags, for example, just out of the box.
Textpad syntax dictionaries are simple text files. You can edit it and
add your own statements and classes. They will be, then, highlighted.
fribeiro
Felip Miralles wrote:
>
> Where is the JSP syntax dictionary to download?
> felip
>
> Fernando Ribeiro wrote:
>
> > Take a look at the TextPad text editor. Just download the JSP syntax
> > dictionary and you are ready to go.
> >
> > The best tool Ive ever used. If you want a IDE, Im not sure we have the
> > right product for now. I use VJ++ sometimes to compose but thats all.
> >
> > fribeiro
> >
> > Lee Elenbaas wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.allaire.com/
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chad Pitt
> > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 8:19 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: jsp tools
> > >
> > > Dear All,
> > >
> > > Can anyone tell me where i can download tool or
> > > editor of JSP? doesn't matter free or trial version.
> > > Please help, i really need it desperately.
> > >
> > > thank you
> > > Chad
> > >
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk
> > > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie
> > >
> > > ===
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> > > JSP-INTEREST".
> > > FAQs on JSP can be found at:
> > > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html
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> > >
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> > > FAQs on JSP can be found at:
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Re: jsp tools [some new ones]
It will take some time till we get something like Microsoft Visual Interdev, a full-feature IDE for ASP, but do not forget: text editors have been our best friends for years :-) See ya fribeiro Scott Stirling wrote: > > Just learned this today--I've been using my own vim syntax file for JSPs for > a while now, but I was editing a JSP on a machine today that I knew didn't > have my syntax file, but I noticed the JSP file extension was recognized by > vim and the syntax was highlighted. I looked at the syntax files and sure > enough, VIM 5.6 has a JSP syntax file. I like mine better, but, hey . . > > Another tool that has a JSP "mode" is Forte from Sun/Netbeans. I was > exploring that on Linux today. The Community edition has a JSP template. I > didn't get far with it though, as the JVM segfaulted and died right after I > selected the JSP template. So it goes with Java GUIs . . . > > Scott Stirling > West Newton, MA > > - Original Message - > From: "Fernando Ribeiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 12:44 PM > Subject: Re: jsp tools > > > Take a look at the TextPad text editor. Just download the JSP syntax > > dictionary and you are ready to go. > > > > The best tool Ive ever used. If you want a IDE, Im not sure we have the > > right product for now. I use VJ++ sometimes to compose but thats all. === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
Re: jsp tools [some new ones]
Just learned this today--I've been using my own vim syntax file for JSPs for a while now, but I was editing a JSP on a machine today that I knew didn't have my syntax file, but I noticed the JSP file extension was recognized by vim and the syntax was highlighted. I looked at the syntax files and sure enough, VIM 5.6 has a JSP syntax file. I like mine better, but, hey . . Another tool that has a JSP "mode" is Forte from Sun/Netbeans. I was exploring that on Linux today. The Community edition has a JSP template. I didn't get far with it though, as the JVM segfaulted and died right after I selected the JSP template. So it goes with Java GUIs . . . Scott Stirling West Newton, MA - Original Message - From: "Fernando Ribeiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 12:44 PM Subject: Re: jsp tools > Take a look at the TextPad text editor. Just download the JSP syntax > dictionary and you are ready to go. > > The best tool Ive ever used. If you want a IDE, Im not sure we have the > right product for now. I use VJ++ sometimes to compose but thats all. === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
Re: jsp tools
Where is the JSP syntax dictionary to download? felip Fernando Ribeiro wrote: > Take a look at the TextPad text editor. Just download the JSP syntax > dictionary and you are ready to go. > > The best tool Ive ever used. If you want a IDE, Im not sure we have the > right product for now. I use VJ++ sometimes to compose but thats all. > > fribeiro > > Lee Elenbaas wrote: > > > > http://www.allaire.com/ > > > > -Original Message- > > From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chad Pitt > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 8:19 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: jsp tools > > > > Dear All, > > > > Can anyone tell me where i can download tool or > > editor of JSP? doesn't matter free or trial version. > > Please help, i really need it desperately. > > > > thank you > > Chad > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > > > > === > > To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff > > JSP-INTEREST". > > FAQs on JSP can be found at: > > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html > > http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html > > > > === > > To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". > > FAQs on JSP can be found at: > > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html > > http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html > > === > To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". > FAQs on JSP can be found at: > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html > http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
Re: jsp tools
Take a look at the TextPad text editor. Just download the JSP syntax dictionary and you are ready to go. The best tool Ive ever used. If you want a IDE, Im not sure we have the right product for now. I use VJ++ sometimes to compose but thats all. fribeiro Lee Elenbaas wrote: > > http://www.allaire.com/ > > -Original Message- > From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chad Pitt > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 8:19 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: jsp tools > > Dear All, > > Can anyone tell me where i can download tool or > editor of JSP? doesn't matter free or trial version. > Please help, i really need it desperately. > > thank you > Chad > > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > > === > To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff > JSP-INTEREST". > FAQs on JSP can be found at: > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html > http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html > > === > To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". > FAQs on JSP can be found at: > http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html > http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
Re: jsp tools
http://www.allaire.com/ -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chad Pitt Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 8:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: jsp tools Dear All, Can anyone tell me where i can download tool or editor of JSP? doesn't matter free or trial version. Please help, i really need it desperately. thank you Chad Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
Re: JSP tools
And when will it be released? Vincent Partington wrote: > > Hi Roberto, > > Roberto Torresani wrote: > > What about GNUJSP? > > When will it adhere to 0.92 spec? > > GNUJSP will never adhere to the JSP 0.92 spec. However I am currently > reading the draft of the 1.0 spec and plan to implement that as soon as possible. > > Regards, Vincent. -- Roberto Torresani --- Informatica e Statistica Applicate Istituto Agrario di S.Michele all'Adige Via E.Mach, 1 38010 S.Michele a/Adige - TN - ITALY --- Tel. 0461/615230 - Fax. 0461/650872 === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help".
