Re: [kicad-users] Re: Stitching ground planes with vias

[Dan Andersson]

No, don't "stich" v ia's.

Add grounding ( RF ) via's as the final touch. Make a backup of your PCB BEFORE 
adding grounding via's. ( It's a paion removing 200 via's... )

Just switch off DRC and add away.


//Dan, M0DFI

On Wednesday 16 June 2010 12:57:06 you wrote:
> Hi Alson,
> 
> > How do you handle these connections that only appear on the PCB and not
> > in the schematic, and more specifically, stitching ground planes with
> > vias?
> 
> I'm not sure if I understand your question correctly. But if I do, this
> may help: Start a track somewhere you have a ground connection anyway
> (e.g. a component), then draw it once around the PCB. Do as many vias
> as you need in this track, so it changes back and forth. From side view
> it looks like this now:
> --__--__--__--_
> 
> Then you can connect these vias on top layer:
> _
> _ _ _ _ _
> 
> And than you can add a ground plane on bottom layer if you want.
> Does this work for you?
> 
> Regards,
> Thomas




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Re: [kicad-users] Export to which Spice?

[Dan Andersson]

Jonathan,

Most Spice dialects "should" have the same or close to, syntax.

However...

If you need top spend time on making it fit, target QUCS!

Qucs is an Agilent ADS copy and I have to say, a very good one! I have so far 
not ran into lack of functionality with Qucs so I had to use ADS instead. 
Agilent ADS costs many 10K's of $.

Another way is to generate netlist's for "SPLICE". Splice is a mixed mode 
simulator and as such, handles both digital and analog simulation slightly 
better than Spice.

//Dan, M0DFI


On Tuesday 25 May 2010 18:47:46 you wrote:
> Hello folks;
> 
> I have an interest in using KiCad with some flavor of Spice and plan on
> trying a few of them.  I see that the KiCad schematic capture tool can
> export a Spice deck, also called a Spice file, and in the help file
> documentation I found a reference to GnuCap.  Is this the Spice that the
> developers had in mind when the export-to-Spice feature was added?
> 
> Does anyone have a preference for using a different Spice?  I also found
> references to Qucs which has its own schematic capture tool.
> 
> I was not able to find much documentation on the how/what/where of using
> the Spice export feature in KiCad.  Any and all references are
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks;
> Jonathan




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Re: [kicad-users] Re: How to Match two sides of Board with Gerber files

[Dan Andersson]

On Thursday 20 May 2010 15:35:19 you wrote:
> Thanks Dan
> The "Offset adjust for drill and place" option changes dimensions to
> relative to that point. I knew I was missing something simple
> 
> George


George,

I'm playing with a CNC from www.Lumenlab.com, the micRO

//Dan




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Re: [kicad-users] How to Match two sides of Board with Gerber files

[Dan Andersson]

George,

Use "Add Layer Alignment Target" and "Offset adjust for drill and place files". 
These two markers gives enough accuracy for milling.

Can't find Gerber >> Gcode ?!


http://sourceforge.net/projects/gerbertogcode/


For those who run Windooze, there are a number of cheap Gerber >> Gcode 
converters you can download and test before purchase.


//Dan, M0DFI

On Thursday 20 May 2010 01:33:18 you wrote:
> I want to mill my own boards an I never found a program to do the
> conversion to G-code so I am writing my own. I am converting Gerber files
> to a milling file and have no problem with one sided boards but for two
> sides I need to mach up the two files. I can not find in the Gerber files
> I generated any offset reference to the other side. At the moment the only
> thing I can think of is to set an offset on one side and remember to use
> the same offset on the second. An offset is needed because the Gerber
> files x an y positions are relative to where the board is drawn on the
> page and for milling I want to reference the lower left corner as 0,0
> position; I can not even tell how big the board is from the Gerber file
> without drawing it and calculating minimum and maximum x and y.
> 
> Can someone tell me if I am missing something in the files or in how I save
> the files
> 
> Thanks
> George




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Re: [kicad-users] Solder mask - paste mask size deltas

[Dan Andersson]

On Saturday 08 May 2010 22:18:12 you wrote:
> I'm also noticing that no one uses the adhesive layer in the libs - is
> there a reason?

Karl,

Probably because 99% or more of KiCad users that designs parts are NOT 
designing for pick and place SMD production lines and simply not bothered.

There are absolutely no excuse for NOT doing it for parts we share and upload.

Regards

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Re: [kicad-users] Re: Gerber files

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On Wednesday 05 May 2010 22:56:54 you wrote:
> Hello Dan.
> 
> > I have had many cards made at pcb houses as well.
> > My problem started with a CNC milling machine and the conversion of Kicad
> > gerber files to gcode.
> 
> This means, the drill file for the board is ok, but you will get
> broblems milling the outline?
> Or does it mean, that you will get problems converting the tracks
> outlines to a milling file for creating a board by milling the cooper
> away than etching it?
> 
> With best regards: Bernd Wiebus alias dl1eic


Drill file is probably OK. All the holes end up correctly when my pcb house do 
them.

I'm having trouble converting the gerber code ( copper and component layers ) 
where the gcam software just dies in the KiCad code. Similar sized card with 
Eagle goes ok  but there is a difference with the gerber code from KiCad.

//Dan




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Re: [kicad-users] Re: Gerber files

[Dan Andersson]

Good question.

I have had many cards made at pcb houses as well.

My problem started with a CNC milling machine and the conversion of Kicad 
gerber files to gcode.

I will have to take a look at the problem so I'm out listening for any other's 
with similar problems.

//Dan


On Wednesday 05 May 2010 15:38:15 you wrote:
> What kind of errors, if a PCB house can make the PCBs?
> 
> 
> 
> Cat
> 
> > To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com
> > From: d...@andersson.co.uk
> > Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 14:35:21 +0100
> > Subject: [kicad-users] Re: Gerber files
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The gerber files from KiCad might contain inconsistencies or gerber
> > errors so do not blame yourself at the first instance it goes wrong with
> > gerber data.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, this shows mostly with larger gerber files...
> > 
> > This sounds all a bit diffuse, I know. I just want to highlight the
> > possibility of bad gerber output.
> > 
> > //Dan, M0DFI




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[kicad-users] Re: Gerber files

[Dan Andersson]

Gent's,

Translating KiCad Gerber files to CNC format can be a bit difficult 
occasionally 
and with certain softwares, like Gcam for example.

I haven't had time to dive deeper into it - I just bought a Windooze based 
software to convert the file to gcode. This is not a sustainable solution for 
me ( I'm trying to phase out Win totally ) so I will finally have to get 
engaged in debugging the gerber files from KiCad. 

However,

The gerber files from KiCad might contain inconsistencies or gerber errors so 
do not blame yourself at the first instance it goes wrong with gerber data.

Unfortunately, this shows mostly with larger gerber files...

This sounds all a bit diffuse, I know. I just want to highlight the possibility 
of bad gerber output.

//Dan, M0DFI

Re: [kicad-users] Re: linux problem

[Dan Andersson]

Bernd,

I use an out of the box Ubuntu 9.10 and I have it installed automatically. As 
you note, the ps2pdf is a part of the ghostscript package.

Both SuSE and Ubuntu have the package as well as my Asus laptop and eeePC 
laptop.

I would say it's unusual to NOT have this available unless you run a really 
exotic distro...


Regards

Dan, M0DFI


On Wednesday 24 March 2010 16:02:15 bernd.wiebus wrote:
> Hello Dan.
> 
> > > I installed a program called "ps2pdf"
> 
> I think "ps2pdf" is not a program, but a script for steering  the program
>  "ghostscript". Also ghostscript has to be compiled in a way allowing to
>  write pdf-files.
> 
> Not all distributions support ps2pdf in their package repository or
> support the convertion of ps to pdf by ghostscript.
> 
> 
> 
> Look:
> http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/AFPL/6.50/Ps2pdf.htm
> 
> with best regards: Bernd Wiebus alias dl1eic
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Re: [kicad-users] linux problem

[Dan Andersson]

See to that you make PostScript plots.

I installed a program called"ps2pdf"


This creates very very nice PDF files in colour.

Best Regards

Dan Andersson/ M0DFI


On Wednesday 24 March 2010 13:29:48 mancapit wrote:
> Hi ,
> i'm sorry for my english , i have installed on Kubuntu 9.10 , Kicad work
>  fine but EESCHEMA print very wrong , arcs are printed with constructions
>  line , and resolution its very low , PCB print blank sheets. I have see
>  then Kicad don't use CUP but one generic postscript driver. Other program
>  print very well , i use same pc with XP and kicad print very well. Same
>  problem with kicad version 2009 .
> Help.
> 
> Best regards
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Re: [kicad-users] copy component from schematic to library editor

[Dan Andersson]

On Monday 01 February 2010 18:39:56 tom_iphi wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> can somebody give me a hint how to copy a component from the schematic to
>  library editor? Somehow some of my components have disappeared from the
>  library, but I can still see them in the schematic.
> 
> Thanks!
> 


Nope, you're wrong Tom.

If you can see them, they are there.

If I install a new KiCad without the VNWA2 libs and modules correctly copied,
I see it in the schema or pcb drawing.

Catch me on skype for a cgat.

/Dan




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Re: [kicad-users] topological autorouter integration with KiCAD

[Dan Andersson]

Andrew,

This software deviated towards a fully commercial solution. Look at the dates 
in the link you have.

You can find the info at www.toporouter.com

A full router fitting KiCad will probably go for around 5 - 6 k US $.

Remember! Don't mix proprietary and Open Source as you can run foul of what yu 
can do with your design!


//Dan, M0DFI


On Wednesday 02 Dec 2009 03:08:25 lynchaj wrote:
> Hi!  Thanks for making KiCAD.  It is a great program and I use it often to
>  make PCBs for the N8VEM homebrew computer project.
> 
> I recently came across an interesting web page for an topological
>  autorouter being developed and wondered if KiCAD developers were aware of
>  it.
> 
> http://www.wand.net.nz/~amb33/toporouter/
> 
> Is there any plan for integration of this topological autorouter with
>  KiCAD?  I think it would be dramatic improvement to the existing
>  autorouter within KiCAD.
> 
> Thanks for all your hard work on KiCAD.  I very much appreciate it.
> 
> Thanks and have a nice day!
> 
> Andrew Lynch
> 

Re: [kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?

[Dan Andersson]

Do a Google search on DG8SAQ or/and the VNWA2 Vector Analyzer.

The pcb is visible on some photo's.

The pcb and all the schematics where done with KiCad.

//Dan, M0DFI

 

On Monday 20 April 2009 15:24:42 Lothar Behrens wrote:
> Hi,
>
> is there any resource for success stories about using KICAD?
>
> Not only what company but also what circuit / application and what
> package density / types used.
> I am asking again, because I would wish to see some projects about
> targeting mobile phone / smart phone
> or PDA like complexity. (Especially those parts used in OpenMoko
> 1973 / FreeRunner)
>
> Thanks
>
> Lothar
>
> -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de
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Re: [kicad-users] Re: ubuntu installation?

[Dan Andersson]

It's "good practice" to copy it to /usr/local

Only Windooze users place it in the local path...

//Dan, M0DFI


On Friday 27 March 2009 11:35:42 stefaca666 wrote:
> --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Danilo Uccelli  wrote:
> > 2009/3/26 stefaca666 
> >
> > >   does anyone know will there be a DEB installation for ubuntu users?
> > >
> > >  Hi,
> >
> > Not of the last release, but if you download the Ubuntu version and
> > follow the *install* instructions for Linux, it is very easy:
> >
> > Something like this extract the .tar, copy the kicad folder on
> > /usr/local/ do a launcher to the right kicad executable.
> >
> > No dependencies are need.
> >
> > Danilo
>
> just untar and start app. no need to copy to any location.

Re: [kicad-users] Re: Fiducilas

[Dan Andersson]

On Tuesday 10 March 2009 23:37:16 oecherexpat wrote:
> Hi Dan,
>
> > When designing the ring, see to that it is "connected" to an unused
> > component part. This way, the zone filler will avoid it.
>
> You mean like a pad? How can I connect it to a signal? It is not a pad but
> just a "drawing" on the copper layer so Kicad wouldn't let me connect it to
> a signal. Originally, I was thinking of just adding another pad but it must
> be a ring and the only way to do this from what I can see is to have a hole
> in the middle :-(
>
> Cheers,  Heiko

If you DON'T want to connect it, fine - but you still need to define it for 
zone 
filler to avoid it.

If you DO need to connect it, either turn off the design rule check - or do it 
as it should be done: Design  it as a pad with a connection on your component. 
If you don't want/need a connection, "invent" a "dummy" connection in the 
library/module editor for you component.



Trust me! ( I'm not a doctor )

If you start tweaking the design checks and do a lot of workarounds, it 
WILL(!) come back and bite you in the proverbial rectum!

If you run into a small problem like this, solve it the right way - it takes 
the same amount of time doing it correct compared to the time spent on a 
tweak.

Finally, use KiCad, don't fight it!

//Dan, M0DFI

Re: [kicad-users] Fiducilas

[Dan Andersson]

On Monday 09 March 2009 01:30:48 oecherexpat wrote:
> I tried to create a fiducial. PCB manufacturer's requirement is to have a
> round copper pad of 1mm diameter with a copper-free and solder-resist-free
> area of 3mm around it. Creating the solder-resist-free area is no problem
> but to have the area copper-free I added a little copper ring of 3mm
> diameter. Unfortunateley, the zone filling function does not care about the
> copper ring and just over-fills it.
>

Ensure your copper ring is in the same layer as zone filling.

When designing the ring, see to that it is "connected" to an unused component 
part. This way, the zone filler will avoid it.

//Dan, M0DFI


> Anyone with an idea how to solve this?
>
> Thanks,  Heiko

Re: [kicad-users] RE: New version

[Dan Andersson]

On Friday 06 March 2009 03:57:03 william ehlers wrote:
> I installed RC4 on my Ubuntu8.10 64 bit toshiba laptop and I get the
> following aehl...@aehlers-laptop:~$ /usr/local/kicad/bin/kicad
> \Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "gail":
> /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libgail.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "atk-bridge":
> /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libatk-bridge.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "gail":
> /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libgail.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "atk-bridge":
> /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libatk-bridge.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
>
> Can I assume by this since all the libraries are 64 bit and Kicad is 32 bit
> I am screwed or is there a way to run both libraries at the same time?
>
> AndyE


Now,

Install   "getlibs"

Then do a "getlibs /usr/local/kicad/bin/kicad"  or wherever your binary is.  
Do it as root.

//Dan

Re: [kicad-users] How to save changes in GerbView?

[Dan Andersson]

On Saturday 14 February 2009 13:55:25 Dan Andersson wrote:
> On Saturday 14 February 2009 13:26:55 tom_iphi wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I want to delete some objects from a Gerber file (which I can do with
> > Gerbview). But in Gerbview I cannot find a possibility to save the
> > changes.
> >
> > Please give me a hint.
> >
> > Tom
>
> Files  -  Export to PCBnew
>
> //Dan

Verified it, it works.

But I'd rather have people shot on sight than allowing them to change the 
output...

If the database contains crap, don't just use tipp ex on the printout, correct 
the data

GRMBL!

//Dan

Re: [kicad-users] How to save changes in GerbView?

[Dan Andersson]

On Saturday 14 February 2009 13:26:55 tom_iphi wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I want to delete some objects from a Gerber file (which I can do with
> Gerbview). But in Gerbview I cannot find a possibility to save the
> changes.
>
> Please give me a hint.
>
> Tom


Files  -  Export to PCBnew

//Dan

Re: [kicad-users] How to use Orcad Iibraries?

[Dan Andersson]

3 Hours!

Download the tutorial for making your own modules/symbols. 2 minutes

Go thru the tutorial. 10 minutes

Make your own symbol and module. 5 minutes

These 17 minutes are an investment well worth your time!


Sorry if this sounds rude, it's not my intention!

The symbol/module editor of KiCad is one of the best I've seen - even compared 
with the really really expensive schematic capture/PCB design softwares. It's 
really intuitive and easy to use. It's one of the strengths with KiCad. 

I do really (!) recommend you to look in the tutorial and after your first 
symbol/module design, you have not problems with parts anymore.

You can of course translate Orcads symbols but you just postpone the day when 
you have to add a new part, not depending on Orcad, just the datasheet  from 
the supplier.

If everyone of the KiCad users adhered to this, we would soon find Orcad and 
other commercial packages looking at KiCad  symbols... :)


//Dan, M0DFI


On Friday 13 February 2009 22:03:27 vincetatator wrote:
> Hello Kicad users,
>
> I'm trying to use Kicad for the first time.
>
> I don't find a kicad library for a component (lm3s6918 from luminary
> micro) i want to use. I found a library for  Altium, for Orcad, for
> PADS logic but not for Kicad.
>
>
> I spend 3 hours looking for a way to convert an orcad library to a
> kicad one without success.
>
> Is it possible to do that?
>
> I'm using ubuntu 8.10, kicad 2007-11-29, and I can't use Orcad in my
> job office.
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Vincent

Re: [kicad-users] how to redefine default paths and libs

[Dan Andersson]

Firs the compulsory question...  Linux or Windcows?

//Dan

On Tuesday 10 February 2009 18:19:55 Stephrac74 wrote:
> Thanks for answering Dan
>
>
>
> It sounds great but I’ve no idea how to do thatL
>
>
>
> Could you tell me more about that ?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Steph
>
>
>
> De : kicad-users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:kicad-us...@yahoogroups.com] De la
> part de Dan Andersson Envoyé : mardi 10 février 2009 19:02
> À : kicad-users@yahoogroups.com
> Objet : Re: [kicad-users] how to redefine default paths and libs
>
> On Tuesday 10 February 2009 17:08:00 Stephrac74 wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m working on several computers (not at the same time) and I want to
> > share my libs and projects via a server.
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. How to redefine the default path for libs and projects that I
> > don’t need to redefine each time I’m opening a project which has been
> > started on the other computer ?
> >
> > 2. How to redefine the default libs which must be loaded for each
> > project ?
> >
> >
> >
> > The only way I’ve found is to define for each project each lib to add
> > with new path… that’s boring…
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Stephane
>
> Use a symbolic link. Define a symbolic link and place it $HOME.
>
> //Dan, M0DFI
>
>
>
>
>
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> détecté.

Re: [kicad-users] how to redefine default paths and libs

[Dan Andersson]

On Tuesday 10 February 2009 17:08:00 Stephrac74 wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I’m working on several computers (not at the same time) and I want to share
> my libs and projects via a server.
>
>
>
> 1.   How to redefine the default path for libs and projects that I
> don’t need to redefine each time I’m opening a project which has been
> started on the other computer ?
>
> 2.   How to redefine the default libs which must be loaded for each
> project ?
>
>
>
> The only way I’ve found is to define for each project each lib to add with
> new path…  that’s boring…
>
>
>
>
>
> Best
>
> Stephane



Use a symbolic link. Define a symbolic link and place it $HOME.

//Dan, M0DFI

Re: [kicad-users] Kicad library

[Dan Andersson]

On Tuesday 10 February 2009 10:58:38 wanghs17 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm novice in using KiCad and i would like
> 1 - to if it's possible to add news libraries in KiCad, how will I do
>   it?
>

Yes.

There are two ways. Download Kicad native libraries from webpages or download 
and convert Eagle libraries.




> SO*
>
> 2 - Is it possible to create news components on KiCad,what is the process?

You can also make your own library symbols and modules.

Download the Tutorial and work it through!

Really!  The Tutorial is good.

>
> Then***
>
> 3 - Ii it possible to convert KiCad files in Open-Office files?

In a sense - yes. But only as part of documents or reports you are writing. 
Linux can do a lot of conversions and Windows needs Ghostscript to be able to 
convert files.

You can't "do" anything with the files after conversion. It's just for 
documentation purposes.

KiCad can write ( plot ) Postscript and PDF files. 


I really recommend you to spend time with the library and module editors. 
These two tools are very important when introducing new components.

Also, please share the new symbols so others can use them as well. This is the 
reason you have any symbols to start with so please continue sharing.


//Dan, M0DFI


>
> Help me please
>
>
> Thanks

Re: [kicad-users] Kicad on Fedora10 AMD64

[Dan Andersson]

On Tuesday 10 February 2009 01:42:36 Wm.Andrew Ehlers wrote:
> Dan Andersson wrote:
> > On Monday 09 February 2009 21:20:02 william ehlers wrote:
> > > I have tried to update Kicad from the supplied 07/09/2007 version with
> > > absolutely no luck. I have a toshiba laptop with an AMD 64bit dual
> > > core processor and 4GB of memory running KDE4 desktop and Fedora 10
> > > x86_64. When I have tried the precompiled versions by overwriting the
> > > old version my desktop crashes all the way back to the login screen.
> > > When I delete the 7/9/07 version and follow the instructions on the
> > > kicad website kicad does nothing the program does not come up at all.
> > > I see a small bouncing Kicad icon then it disappears with nothing
> > > happening. I have tried using the Windows version under wine which
> > > runs until I try PCBNEW and my computer reboots back to the login
> > > screen. I am not a software programmer so I haven't even tried the
> > > nightmare of compiling the source code. I used linux about 8 years ago
> > > and as I remember compiling code was a mind altering experience which
> > > never did work. Again I am not a software guy so problem is mine.
> > >
> > > Any and all help will be appreciated.
> > > AndyE
> >
> > Andy,
> >
> > I run the latest Ubuntu on mydual core AMD 64 without any glitches
> > whatsoever.
> >
> > How did you install KiCad?
> >
> > I use version kicad-full-version-2008-08-25c-final.tgz and that one is
> > working.
> >
> > I unpacked it from /usr/local so the KiCad installation is
> > /usr/local/kicad..
> >
> > See what it complains about by starting a terminal window and type
> > /usr/local/kicad/bin/kicad
> >
> > Look for error messages and try to trace them.
> >
> > Fedora doesn't feellike the - hrmm, majority installation Ubuntu is biut
> > should still work.
> >
> > Fedora used to bite me in the past as they screwed up the libraries at
> > updates. I couldn't have that so out went Fedora.
> >
> > //Dan, M0DFI
>
> It is looking for libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 which resides in /usr/lib64. It
> looks like kicad wants this file in /usr/lib. just for grins I copied
> the lib file from /usr/lib64 to /usr/lib and got an error stating
> libgtk-x11.x11-2.0.so.0: wrong ELF class : ELFCLASS64. So it's definetly
> the file it wants so I guess I need to find the 32 bit version of the
> libgtk*** file and put it in /usr/lib. Thanks for the run it in a
> terminal tip. That helped alot and I will remember it for the future.
>
> AndyE


Andy,

Ubuntu have a utility called "getlibs".

For example, To install Skype - a 32 bit app, I first install Skype, forcing it 
to ignore any BS about wrong architecture etc.

ThenI run Getlibs like   "getlibs /usr/bin/skype" as my normal usrname, not 
root.

The getlibs script picks up data from the Skype binary and checks what needs 
to be installed in a "private" 32 bit world for the user ( I think it's on 
user level but who cares? ) 

I bet Fedora have sumthn similar.

//Dan

Re: [kicad-users] Kicad on Fedora10 AMD64

[Dan Andersson]

On Monday 09 February 2009 21:20:02 william ehlers wrote:
> I have tried to update Kicad from the supplied 07/09/2007 version with
> absolutely no luck. I have a toshiba laptop with an AMD 64bit dual
> core processor and 4GB of memory running KDE4 desktop and Fedora 10
> x86_64. When I have tried the precompiled versions by overwriting the
> old version my desktop crashes all the way back to the login screen.
> When I delete the 7/9/07 version and follow the instructions on the
> kicad website kicad does nothing the program does not come up at all.
> I see a small bouncing Kicad icon then it disappears with nothing
> happening. I have tried using the Windows version under wine which
> runs until I try PCBNEW and my computer reboots back to the login
> screen. I am not a software programmer so I haven't even tried the
> nightmare of compiling the source code. I used linux about 8 years ago
> and as I remember compiling code was a mind altering experience which
> never did work. Again I am not a software guy so problem is mine.
>
> Any and all help will be appreciated.
> AndyE


Andy,

I run the latest Ubuntu on mydual core AMD 64 without any glitches whatsoever.

How did you install KiCad?

I use version kicad-full-version-2008-08-25c-final.tgz and that one is working.

I unpacked it from /usr/local so the KiCad installation is 
/usr/local/kicad..

See what it complains about by starting a terminal window and type  
/usr/local/kicad/bin/kicad

Look for error messages and try to trace them.


Fedora doesn't feellike the - hrmm, majority installation Ubuntu is biut 
should still work.

Fedora used to bite me in the past as they screwed up the libraries at 
updates. I couldn't have that so out went Fedora.

//Dan, M0DFI

Re: [kicad-users] New member

[Dan Andersson]

On Sunday 08 February 2009 07:44:08 Daniel CORRE wrote:
> Is there a second list in french language ?
 Please! Don't be provincial Daniel...

Rather keep with the main group so as man y as possible can benefit from the 
discussion.

I suspect most group members have another language than English as native (I'm 
Swedish ) so the French is in no way treated unfairly.

//Dan, M0DFI 

Re: [kicad-users] layer stack-up question

[Dan Andersson]

On Sunday 08 February 2009 11:01:16 Pedro Martin wrote:
> And, Dan, nowadays there are some manufacturers that mount smd in both
> sides...

Yes,

But they still hate you ( == Charge extra ) for it. Besides, if you do pick'n 
place with a machine, you need two setups and one "board flip". Fewq rigs flip 
the pcb automagically and you might also require two pick'n place sessions  a 
two solder sessions.

It's allright for manual soldering but reflow

//Dan, M0DFI

Re: [kicad-users] layer stack-up question

[Dan Andersson]

The "copper" layer is the bottom layer and it's more natural to see it as such 
when designing with axial components.

The upper surface layer is called "component" layer.

This is a surviving description from the pre-smd age.

The reason for mirroring text on the copper layer i that you are looking on 
the pcb from above, you are looking trough your component layer as your 
viewpoint is above the top of the pcb board.

The defacto standard of mounting SMD's is on the top - component side.

YOU DO NOT PLACE SMD ON BOTH SIDES! Unless you solder it by hand.

//Dan, M0DFI


On Saturday 07 February 2009 12:26:37 Berceanu Cristian wrote:
> Hi,
> I have only recently started to use KiCAd and I think it is great.
> However, I encountered some...contradictions. I am having trouble in
> understanding which is the Top layer and which is the Bottom Layer. In
> the help of Pcbnew I found the following statements:
>
> 1. "They are the usual layers of work, used by the automatic router,
> on which tracks can be placed. Layer 1 is the copper (solder) layer.
> Layer 16 is the component layer. The other layers are the internal
> layers (L2 to L15)."
>
> 2. "All text on the 'copper' (sometimes called 'solder' or 'bottom')
> side must be mirrored."
>
> For me, the first statement would indicate that the layer called
> "copper" is the top layer. But the second statement says that "copper"
> is the bottom layer. If the "copper" is the bottom layer, then it
> comes in contradiction not only with statement 1, but also with the
> fact that the SMD footprints in the library have their pads defined on
> the "component" layer (and normally, one would expect the SMDs to be
> defined by default on top, and only when you mirror them, they get on
> bottom).
>
> So...which is Top and which is Bottom?
>
> Thank you for your help!
>
> Regards,
> Cristian

Re: [kicad-users] Footprint

[Dan Andersson]

Windows or Linux?

//Dan


On Friday 06 February 2009 09:04:13 AD5VJ Bob wrote:
> I am online in the library files and looking at the downloads. Especially
> the one from dandumit I do not recognize the file type of .7z  how do I use
> this after I download it.
>
> Bob AD5VJ
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:kicad-us...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of AD5VJ Bob
> > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:44 AM
> > To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [kicad-users] Footprint
> >
> > Sorry but not sure how to send that to you. What is a copy pointer?
> >
> > Bob AD5VJ
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:kicad-us...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Andersson
> > > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:41 AM
> > > To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [kicad-users] Footprint
> > >
> > > On Friday 06 February 2009 08:35:33 AD5VJ Bob wrote:
> > > > I have designed a circuit and have found a supplier for who
> > >
> > > has all of
> > >
> > > > the parts I need and the data sheets, ect..
> > > >
> > > > The problem I am having is that I am wanting to put a
> >
> > circuit board
> >
> > > > mount type 3.55mm audio plug on the drawing for the pcb
> > >
> > > manufacturer
> > >
> > > > to have the holes there that I need to install it once I
> > >
> > > get the board back.
> > >
> > > > I have gone to their site and found the audio plug that I
> > >
> > > want to use,
> > >
> > > > but there are no mechanical measurements for it on the website.
> > > >
> > > > Are these connectors so common in their sizes that it is
> > >
> > > not necessary
> > >
> > > > to specify the holes by using a footprint from the
> >
> > libraries, or do
> >
> > > > you just put pads on the board where you want it installed?
> > > >
> > > > Bob AD5VJ
> > >
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > I just made an audio socket w foot print.
> > >
> > > Send me a copy/pointer to the datasheet, it might be the same.
> > >
> > > //Dan, M0DFI
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting
> > > your question.
> > > Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the
> > > creator of Kicad.
> > > Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to
> >
> > contribute
> >
> > > your symbols/modules to the kicad library.
> > > For building Kicad from source and other development
> >
> > questions visit
> >
> > > the kicad-devel group at
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > 
> >
> > Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before
> > posting your question.
> > Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by
> > the creator of Kicad.
> > Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to
> > contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library.
> > For building Kicad from source and other development
> > questions visit the kicad-devel group at
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links

Re: [kicad-users] Footprint

[Dan Andersson]

Oh...

Either email me a copyf the datasheet or - email me a URL link to the webpage
where I can find the audio socket.

//Dan


On Friday 06 February 2009 08:43:54 AD5VJ Bob wrote:
> Sorry but not sure how to send that to you. What is a copy pointer?
>
> Bob AD5VJ
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:kicad-us...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Andersson
> > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:41 AM
> > To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [kicad-users] Footprint
> >
> > On Friday 06 February 2009 08:35:33 AD5VJ Bob wrote:
> > > I have designed a circuit and have found a supplier for who
> >
> > has all of
> >
> > > the parts I need and the data sheets, ect..
> > >
> > > The problem I am having is that I am wanting to put a circuit board
> > > mount type 3.55mm audio plug on the drawing for the pcb
> >
> > manufacturer
> >
> > > to have the holes there that I need to install it once I
> >
> > get the board back.
> >
> > > I have gone to their site and found the audio plug that I
> >
> > want to use,
> >
> > > but there are no mechanical measurements for it on the website.
> > >
> > > Are these connectors so common in their sizes that it is
> >
> > not necessary
> >
> > > to specify the holes by using a footprint from the libraries, or do
> > > you just put pads on the board where you want it installed?
> > >
> > > Bob AD5VJ
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > I just made an audio socket w foot print.
> >
> > Send me a copy/pointer to the datasheet, it might be the same.
> >
> > //Dan, M0DFI
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before
> > posting your question.
> > Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by
> > the creator of Kicad.
> > Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to
> > contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library.
> > For building Kicad from source and other development
> > questions visit the kicad-devel group at
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links

Re: [kicad-users] Footprint

[Dan Andersson]

On Friday 06 February 2009 08:35:33 AD5VJ Bob wrote:
> I have designed a circuit and have found a supplier for who has all of the
> parts I need and the data sheets, ect..
>
> The problem I am having is that I am wanting to put a circuit board mount
> type 3.55mm audio plug on the drawing for the pcb manufacturer to have the
> holes there that I need to install it once I get the board back.
>
> I have gone to their site and found the audio plug that I want to use, but
> there are no mechanical measurements for it on the website.
>
> Are these connectors so common in their sizes that it is not necessary to
> specify the holes by using a footprint from the libraries, or do you just
> put pads on the board where you want it installed?
>
> Bob AD5VJ

Bob,

I just made an audio socket w foot print.

Send me a copy/pointer to the datasheet, it might be the same.

//Dan, M0DFI

Re: [kicad-users] Re: IGES and STEP models

[Dan Andersson]

On Thursday 29 January 2009 14:47:56 nonuckingfumber wrote:
> Interestingly, in the light of what Dan said, this is actually a free
> open source project developed and released by the DoD :-)


Yes, I have been running BRL Cad since 1997. I use it for radar lumination of 
moving and stationary objects. 

The GUI is actually quite decent when you get used to it.

BRL Cad also contains possibilities to do FEM on when you "throw" a mertal 
object very hard and fast on another object ( car, boat , tank etc ).

Bear in mind that BRL = Ballistic Research Lab

//Dan, M0DFI 

Re: [kicad-users] Re: IGES and STEP models

[Dan Andersson]

On Thursday 29 January 2009 12:46:19 nonuckingfumber wrote:
> --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Dan Andersson  wrote:
> > The only DuDe's I know of still insisting on IGES is the US DoD
>
>  Doh!
>
> > STEP is not good enough either. This is  still a desk design by a
>
> steering
>
> > group of board members, a fit all solution.
>
> Well I was not proposing that the formats be used in KiCAD. Apparently
> Tyco DOES use them, and offers only these formats. Seeing as how Tyco
> make an awful lot of the hardware we stick on boards, in particular
> hard to draw but very important for 3D view eletromechanical stuff
> (headers, connectors, relays, fuses etc.), I think it would be very
> useful to be able to import them.
>
> What I have been looking for is a program that can read IGES or STEP
> and export in some format that would be more useful to us.



OK,

I might have overreacted but...

Both IGES and STEP are desk products created by demands from the DoD and 
possibly MoD even if the UK MoD spend peanuts compared to DoD on electronics.

The major suppliers like Tyco et al must supply the DoD with IGES files to be 
allowed selling their components.

Yes, I also agree on the need for a 3D exchange format but IGES ( and STEP ) 
has been proven to be to cumbersome for non DoD softwares and projects.

However, as the most detrimental reason to avoid IGES and STEP was development 
costs. I browsed the IGES and STEP documentation and couldn't find any 
copyrights etc.

This needs being researched before anyone includes IGES and/or STEP in a GPL 
or open source licensed software.

As the development in this case might be done "at no costs", it might or might 
not succeed. 

I find it easy to add modules when needed but I never care about the 3D models 
as I don't use them  so I withdraw my voice and let other fight it out.

Creating a reasonably simple conversion tool might be possible without 
implementing the whole shebang.


//Dan, M0DFI

Re: [kicad-users] IGES and STEP models

[Dan Andersson]

On Wednesday 28 January 2009 22:02:51 nonuckingfumber wrote:
> I am making a pad for a Tyco connector, and I noted that thier online
> catlouge provides 3D models in IGES and STEP format.
>
> Seems like a nice easy way to expand KiCad's 3D package library,
> except that I cannot seem to find anyway to go from IGES or STEP
> format to KiCad's wrl format or any of the input formats available for
> Wings 3D.
>
> I have spent a couple of hours searching around sourceforge trying to
> find something that might act as an intermediary, but frankly I know
> virtually nothing about 3D modelling and the formats they use.
>
> Does anybody know a possible solution?


IGES?!  

I hoped for a total annihilation and death of  that format!

I wrote a Fortran77 program 1987 or so, to translate Dec Palette format as 
well as Autocad DXF to the IGES format. This was when Gerber plotters where 
exclusive and hard to come by. We had Northern Europes largest flatbed Gerber 
plotter so we did some weird work and translations from peeps like Ericsson 
etc. 
I had a loit of crap from IBM pukes as they used EBCDIC code as a difference 
from y PDP11/23 and VAX 11/730 environments...

However, all translations ended up on punched paper with Gerber code on tobe 
fed into a HP1000 computer. ( probably less brain than a dishwasher today ).

However,

The message is - stay away from IGES, let it die in peace. It's MIL Standard 
and plain out silly. The last update was 1995 or so.

The only DuDe's I know of still insisting on IGES is the US DoD  Doh!

STEP is not good enough either. This is  still a desk design by a steering 
group of board members, a fit all solution.


 IGES - R.I.P

And send a torpedo the STEP's way too!


//Dan, M0DFI

Re: [kicad-users] Re: Need Information about PCB-contractors

[Dan Andersson]

Not "using" yet - just ordered a micRO from   http://lumenlab.com

Wait a couple of weeks and ask me again how well it works...

//Dan, M0DFI




On Monday 26 January 2009 18:21:07 mostafakassem wrote:
> --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Dan Andersson  wrote:
> > Try www.olimex.com for smaller volumes like prototypes.
> >
> > If you repeatedly need to produce protypes, do like I did, get a cnc
>
> milling
>
> > machine - costs around 600 US $ or so. Thats 20 protype runs with
>
> olimex!
>
> > Olimex charge around 30 $ for an double sided Euro Board 100x160mm
>
> and have a
>
> > quick turnaround time.
> >
> > //Dan, M0DFI
> >
> >[snip]
>
> So, which CNC machine do you use? The Inquiring minds want to know :-)
>
> Mostafa

Re: [kicad-users] Need Information about PCB-contractors

[Dan Andersson]

Try www.olimex.com for smaller volumes like prototypes.

If you repeatedly need to produce protypes, do like I did, get a cnc milling 
machine - costs around 600 US $ or so. Thats 20 protype runs with olimex!

Olimex charge around 30 $ for an double sided Euro Board 100x160mm and have a 
quick turnaround time.

//Dan, M0DFI




On Monday 26 January 2009 12:47:50 benjaminrohland wrote:
> Can you tell me which contractor is the best for producing my conductor
> board prototype? I found some in the internet, but the prices are
> similar. Are there any pros and cons I have to pay attention to?

-- 
dan.anders...@ieee.org 
d...@andersson.co.uk


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Re: [kicad-users] Re: Change pad size globally

[Dan Andersson]

Hmm,

Skall kolla lite senare idag Anders.

//Dan, M0DFI


On Tuesday 20 January 2009 12:41:05 anders.gustafsson99 wrote:
> --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Dan Andersson  wrote:
> > Try "Global Pad Settings"
>
> One thing though.. I sem to be able to change the size, but not the
> shape, ie if I want all pads to be rectangular and not round. Nothing
> happens when I try.

-- 
dan.anders...@ieee.org 
d...@andersson.co.uk


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Re: [kicad-users] Change pad size globally

[Dan Andersson]

Try "Global Pad Settings"

//Dan, M0DFI

On Tuesday 20 January 2009 08:20:24 anders.gustafsson99 wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I find that pad sizes are a tad small, especially if you plan to etch
> PCBs yourself and matching between sides can be an issue. Is there
> any way to change al pads to be slightly larger, without having to do
> it manually, one by one?

-- 
dan.anders...@ieee.org 
d...@andersson.co.uk


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Re: [kicad-users] How to read the "pho" files ?

[Dan Andersson]

KiCad have a decent Gerber viewer itself, so I don't see the immediate reason 
to use Gerbv there. However, it's worrisome if there are deviations on the 
Gerber standard. I have had rather complex KiCad designs produced from my 
Gerber files without the usual whinging PCB producer so I assume KiCad's Gerber 
output is kosher.

My immediate problem with KiCad's Gerber output is to convert it to G-code to 
run in EMC2 CNC milling software.

I tested two converters now and both refuses the KiCad code.

//Dan, M0DFI



On Monday 19 January 2009 09:24:48 Dave - WB6DHW wrote:
>   I use ViewMate to view the .pho files.  I don't know if they have a
> Linux version.  Never had a problem with the .pho files.
>
> Dave - WB6DHW
> 
>
> electric_phil wrote:
> > I just finish routing my pcb, and plot it in Gerber file format
> > which gives me several ".pho" files ( depend which ones layers I
> > choose ) ...
> >
> > I thought I could read them with "Gerbv" (a gerber file viewer under
> > Linux ) but it can't load them ...
> >
> > Are these ".pho" files Gerber format compatibles or just Gerbv non
> > fonctional ?
> >
> > Thanks a lot

-- 
dan.anders...@ieee.org 
d...@andersson.co.uk


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Re: [kicad-users] How to read the "pho" files ?

[Dan Andersson]

No,

GCAM still can't read KiCad Gerber files, even after the manual hack to please 
Gerbv.

This means that I cannot use KiCad for my new CNC Milling machine yet. I'd 
really really hate to be forced back to Eagle!

//Dan, M0DFI

Re: [kicad-users] How to read the "pho" files ?

[Dan Andersson]

This is a bit weird:

Gerbv doesn't like the "G04" Gerber command ( comments etc ) so I manually 
edited the file and tried again.
Then it complains on G01 so be gone with that too. Now Gerbv reads the file.

I suspect the Gerber changes have been added to KiCad's Gerber engine sinced I 
tested last time, 9 month's ago or so.

Now I'm going to check if GCAM can read the same Gerber file, it couldn't 
earlier...

//Dan, M0DFI


On Monday 19 January 2009 08:35:20 electric_phil wrote:
> I just finish routing my pcb, and plot it in Gerber file format
> which gives me several ".pho" files ( depend which ones layers I
> choose ) ...
>
> I thought I could read them with "Gerbv" (a gerber file viewer under
> Linux ) but it can't load them ...
>
> Are these ".pho" files Gerber format compatibles or just Gerbv non
> fonctional ?
>
> Thanks a lot

-- 
dan.anders...@ieee.org 
d...@andersson.co.uk


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Re: [kicad-users] How to read the "pho" files ?

[Dan Andersson]

Bugger!

You are right!

I updated my Gerbv and KiCad - they do disagree.

Gerbv comes out with an error -1

Gonna spend some time on this!

//Dan, M0DFI



On Monday 19 January 2009 09:06:03 Dan Andersson wrote:
> ??? !
>
> I can read my .pho files in Gerbv without any problems. I've also tested
> reading the files with other Gerber viewers without any problems.
>
> //Dan, M0DFI
>
> On Monday 19 January 2009 08:35:20 electric_phil wrote:
> > I just finish routing my pcb, and plot it in Gerber file format
> > which gives me several ".pho" files ( depend which ones layers I
> > choose ) ...
> >
> > I thought I could read them with "Gerbv" (a gerber file viewer under
> > Linux ) but it can't load them ...
> >
> > Are these ".pho" files Gerber format compatibles or just Gerbv non
> > fonctional ?
> >
> > Thanks a lot

-- 
dan.anders...@ieee.org 
d...@andersson.co.uk


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Re: [kicad-users] How to read the "pho" files ?

[Dan Andersson]

??? !

I can read my .pho files in Gerbv without any problems. I've also tested
reading the files with other Gerber viewers without any problems.

//Dan, M0DFI

On Monday 19 January 2009 08:35:20 electric_phil wrote:
> I just finish routing my pcb, and plot it in Gerber file format
> which gives me several ".pho" files ( depend which ones layers I
> choose ) ...
>
> I thought I could read them with "Gerbv" (a gerber file viewer under
> Linux ) but it can't load them ...
>
> Are these ".pho" files Gerber format compatibles or just Gerbv non
> fonctional ?
>
> Thanks a lot

-- 
dan.anders...@ieee.org 
d...@andersson.co.uk


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Re: [kicad-users] Re: How to note on the schematic a component not present on the PCB ?

[Dan Andersson]

Phil,

Ensure that you are using FR4 laminate or better. The cheaper Phenol laminates 
can easily "carbonise" if you have a single arc over. You get micro thin 
carbon tracks on the laminate between your copper and it is very difficult to 
find and repair. The only way I found to repair these hairline carbonised 
cracks is to drill holes in the to break up the carbon tracks.

Also, separate the PSU and the amp. I managed to suppress a lot of 50/100Hz 
humming by using toroidal transformers.

Also, try finding the thickest possible FR4. That will reduce microphonic 
effects from the amplifier.

//Dan

On Friday 16 January 2009 10:48:41 electric_phil wrote:
> Thanks to your prompt reply, Dan ...
>
> I'm working too on electron tubes, for a guitar amp ... :-), and
> really need to seperate "the two worlds" ...
>
> So, I'll try your method promptly ...;-)
>
> Cheers, Phil
>
> -- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Dan Andersson  wrote:
> > I'm having retro relapses occasionally and revert to doing electron
>
> tube
>
> > designs but still using PCB's.
> >
> > The simplest solution is to separate the "infrastructure" schematic
>
> from the
>
> > PCB schematic and define proper connectors where the two "worlds" are
> > interconnected.
> >
> > This way, you have the netlist support for the PCB but you are on
>
> your own for
>
> > the rest. You really don't want to mix the two "worlds" except when
>
> doing DRC.
>
> > //Dan, M0DFI

-- 
dan.anders...@ieee.org 
d...@andersson.co.uk


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Re: [kicad-users] How to note on the schematic a component not present on the PCB ?

[Dan Andersson]

I'm having retro relapses occasionally and revert to doing electron tube 
designs but still using PCB's.

The simplest solution is to separate the "infrastructure" schematic from the 
PCB schematic and define proper connectors where the two "worlds" are 
interconnected.

This way, you have the netlist support for the PCB but you are on your own for 
the rest. You really don't want to mix the two "worlds" except when doing DRC.

//Dan, M0DFI


On Friday 16 January 2009 10:13:25 electric_phil wrote:
> I have done a complete schematic with Eeschema, but some of the
> components don't have to figure on the PCB, but on the chassis/box,
> like fuses, Jack connectors, or transformers ...
>
> How have I to do to notice it in Eeschema as Pcbnew take care of it
> (with connections particulary ) ?

-- 
dan.anders...@ieee.org 
d...@andersson.co.uk


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Re: [kicad-users] Manual Traces

[Dan Andersson]

If the pins isn't in the netlist, it'll refuse to trace them. To trace un- 
netted pins, you have top switch off the DRC.

I strongly(!) advice against using KiCad without the schematic capture and 
especially without the DRC switched. It's maybew all right for an old geek but 
not for a greenie!

Do take the time and learn/use the schematic capture and netlists. It pays off!

//Dan, M0DFI


On Thursday 08 January 2009 16:32:08 Pedro Martin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It could be the DRC: if the trace doesn't keep the minimum margin, pcbnew
> doesn't allow to trace the track.
>
> Or you are trying to connect pads of different nets (try DRC off)
>
> Or just double click to finish the track on the end point.
>
> Pedro.
>
> > Please, if someone can help me. I am using Kicad on a Linux OS. I like
> > to design simple PCBs manually. I am having a problem with laying down
> > traces. I can not end them or rout them. What setting am I over
> > looking if any? Please help.

-- 
dan.anders...@ieee.org 
d...@andersson.co.uk


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Re: [kicad-users] Eagle to kicad converter

[Dan Andersson]

On Monday 05 January 2009 15:49:25 Wei Lu wrote:
> I am trying to convert the eagle library provided by TI for the MSP430
> processors. The ULP is from
> http://www.cadsoft.de/download.htm
>
> However for the PN80 (80LQFP) package of MSP430x5xx, the two side pins
> are oriented same as the upper and bottom (should be 90 degree
> rotated), which made it not usable.
>
> Is there any solution to this?
>
> Regards,
>
> Wei

Don't read this as being rude now!

The KiCad module and Library editor is so simple to use that you don't really 
need to "borrow" Eagle Library symbols. Even for complex parts like the TI 
cpu's.

I really really recommend you to learn to use the Kicad lib/mod editor, it's 
one of the best I've seen for pcb work and I've been doing this since 1978...

More importantly, if an old geek like me can learn how to use it, you can too!

//Dan, M0DFI


-- 
dan.anders...@ieee.org 
d...@andersson.co.uk


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Re: [kicad-users] Kicad Auto Routing/Ground plane - single sided

[Dan Andersson]

David,

I always place the zone(s) as one of the last objects. Old habit I assume.

If the tracks are connected to the same net as you have GND or whatever you 
decided to choose for your zone, they may be included ( correctly ) in the 
zone.

//Dan


On Sunday 07 December 2008 11:55:23 davidmilne84 wrote:
> Hi there
>
> I have a couple of questions I was hoping someone could help me with?
>
> I want to create a single sided PCB with a ground plane on the same
> side as the tracks.  I am trying to create a fairly simple PCB with a
> microcontroller on it and some IO.
>
> I found that the auto router is not able to route all of the tracks.
> However I have found that it routes the GND tracks as well.  I think
> this is because you auto route all the tracks before putting in the
> Zone.  Is there some way you can auto route everything apart from the
> GND tracks and then connect the GND's with the zone fill?
>
> Also when I use the Zone fill it doesn't seem to work correctly.  I
> have been playing around with this for ages and can't work out what's
> going on.  I have gone through the tutorial on this but still can't
> make any sense of it.  When the zone is filled the GND pins on
> components are connected to the zone.  However, the tracks are not
> separated from the zone.  I.e. I see the track on top of the zone
> fill without any gap around the edge of it.  (I have ensure both the
> tracks, components and zone fill are all set to copper).
>
> Additionally is there some way you can configure the auto router to
> auto route with "jumpers/bridges" i.e. small pieces of wire to jump
> over tracks?  I tried setting it to do a double sided PCB but it
> seems to split the number of tracks evenly between the two sides and
> therefore not really making it feasible to do.
>
> Regards
>
>
> David

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Re: [kicad-users] Kicad libraries

[Dan Andersson]

David,

The procedure below should work in Windows as it does in my Linux box... 
However :)

The new libraries should be located in a directory structure where you have 
the right to read the files, assuming it was an administrator that placed them 
there first time.

Ok, now then

Start PCBNEW, open your design.

Click on > Preferences > Libs and Dir
A new window opens up
Click on > Add
Use the popup file manager to point on your added module library you want to be 
included in your PCB. Finish by clicking on > Open

Repeat with more modules if required.

Click on   "Save Cfg"   !! Ifyou forget this, the changes are all lost.


If you want to add libraries with schematic symbols, start eeschema and follow 
the same procedure. For the CVPCB part, click on > Preferences > Configuration

Remember to save!
 
Remember! Libraries for eeschema and Modules for the pcbnew program


Good luck

//Dan, M0DFI


On Wednesday 03 December 2008 20:34:46 davidmilne84 wrote:
> Hi there
>
> I am pritty new to Kicad and I have developed a couple of circuits.
> However, not all the components I require are in the default library.
>
> I have found the components that I need on the web site.  For example
> on - http://www.kicadlib.org/Fichiers/Ludek_libraries.html
>
> However, I cannot work out how to make use of these files.  I have
> tried downloading and placing in the module/library folders in the
> installation directory.  I can view the footprints in module editor if
> I choose to import but that is all that I have achieved.
>
> I have looked for tutorials on this but can't seem to find anything.
>
> For example how to do get components in "new libraries" to appear in
> Cvpcb listing and also in eeschematic?
>
> Regards
>
>
> David



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Re: [kicad-users] Re: Printing problems

[Dan Andersson]

Try to find a Gerber viewer with print functionality. That'll can be a 
workaround.

Or else...
I wrote a program back in the dark 1986 to convert Gerber code to Autocad DXF 
format. The DXF format was easily printed from Autocad.

The basic Gerber commands needed are limited and corresponds well with the 
basic DXF functions.

///
Lift pen
down pen
move absolute
move relative
select aperture
///

If you use pads with a hole in for your drill to center on, it'll work all 
right.
In Gerber, you can use a smaller aperture than the intended pad and draw a 
circle - or a 16 side circle replacement.

//Dan, M0DFI


On Saturday 01 November 2008 00:37:16 c_harf wrote:
> --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Dan Andersson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Gent's,
> >
> > The plot comes out correct when using the Gerber file. Remember that
>
> the drill
>
> > holes have nothing to do with the Gerber file. The drill tape or
>
> nowadays -
>
> > file, goes to the drill/router in the production line. Not the
>
> Gerber photo
>
> > plotter.
> >
> > My down loaded KiCad generates 100% pukka Gerber files for
>
> production purposes
>
> > as well as drill file.
> >
> > If KiCad generates weird output, my guess ( sorry! ) is that someone
>
> told it
>
> > to...
> >
> > No printouts, HP or PS are a substitute for the Gerber file and
>
> drill/routing
>
> > file.
>
> There's no question this is the way to go for production runs, but
> IMHO KiCad is great for us hobbyists who only want to basically
> "prototype" 1 or 2. An accurate printer output *would* be handy
> without the palaver (and further risk of bugs/errors) of going via the
> Gerber output.
>
> > //Dan, M0DFI
> >
> > On Friday 31 October 2008 16:11:40 Alain M. wrote:
> > > well, that sounds like a real bug...
> > >
> > > But have you tried to generate the Gerber files and print them?
> > >
> > > Alain
> > >
> > > NdK escreveu:
> > > > yajeed2000 ha scritto:
> > > >>> From some testing I just did, it seems that text is shifted 13
>
> mils to
>
> > > >>> the left (pads are at the correct coords in gerbview, text is
>
> not)).
>
> > > > Note the "text is not"!
> > > >
> > > >> Try plotting to a postscript file and then open each file with
> > > >> ghostscript viewer. If you then print out these files I have found
> > > >> that they are more dimensionally accurate.
> > > >> Give it a try.
> > > >
> > > > My problem is *not* about scaling. I could "easily" bypass scaling
> > > > problems by just using print dialog settings (and some tries).
> > > > BTW, on my printer, "accurate 1:1" *is* quite accurate (the 28ell300
> > > > fits well w/ the actual IC).
> > > >
> > > > The problem is that:
> > > > - when plotting, text on copper layer gets moved by about 13 mils
> > > > - when printing, test is NOT moved, but 28ell300 pads are no more
> > > > elliptical but rectangular and with a hole whose diameter is
>
> more than
>
> > > > the short side of the rect.
> > > >
> > > > The only thing I can do is to add those 13 mils, hoping the move is
> > > > consistent (or just keep AT LEAST 20 mils all around text areas).
> > > >
> > > > BYtE,
> > > >  Diego.
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before
>
> posting your
>
> > > > question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked
>
> up by
>
> > > > the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for
>
> details of
>
> > > > how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For
>
> building
>
> > > > Kicad from source and other development questions visit the
>
> kicad-devel
>
> > > > group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups
>
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Re: [kicad-users] Re: Printing problems

[Dan Andersson]

Gent's,

The plot comes out correct when using the Gerber file. Remember that the drill 
holes have nothing to do with the Gerber file. The drill tape or nowadays - 
file, goes to the drill/router in the production line. Not the Gerber photo 
plotter.

My down loaded KiCad generates 100% pukka Gerber files for production purposes 
as well as drill file.

If KiCad generates weird output, my guess ( sorry! ) is that someone told it 
to...

No printouts, HP or PS are a substitute for the Gerber file and drill/routing 
file.


//Dan, M0DFI

On Friday 31 October 2008 16:11:40 Alain M. wrote:
> well, that sounds like a real bug...
>
> But have you tried to generate the Gerber files and print them?
>
> Alain
>
> NdK escreveu:
> > yajeed2000 ha scritto:
> >>> From some testing I just did, it seems that text is shifted 13 mils to
> >>> the left (pads are at the correct coords in gerbview, text is not)).
> >
> > Note the "text is not"!
> >
> >> Try plotting to a postscript file and then open each file with
> >> ghostscript viewer. If you then print out these files I have found
> >> that they are more dimensionally accurate.
> >> Give it a try.
> >
> > My problem is *not* about scaling. I could "easily" bypass scaling
> > problems by just using print dialog settings (and some tries).
> > BTW, on my printer, "accurate 1:1" *is* quite accurate (the 28ell300
> > fits well w/ the actual IC).
> >
> > The problem is that:
> > - when plotting, text on copper layer gets moved by about 13 mils
> > - when printing, test is NOT moved, but 28ell300 pads are no more
> > elliptical but rectangular and with a hole whose diameter is more than
> > the short side of the rect.
> >
> > The only thing I can do is to add those 13 mils, hoping the move is
> > consistent (or just keep AT LEAST 20 mils all around text areas).
> >
> > BYtE,
> >  Diego.
> >
> > 
> >
> > Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your
> > question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by
> > the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of
> > how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building
> > Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel
> > group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links

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Re: [kicad-users] Where is the footprint editor?

[Dan Andersson]

On Monday 27 October 2008 15:33:40 psmoreton wrote:
> Can someone point me to where the footprint editor is? - I have
> managed to create a component today (16pin LCD header)now need to
> define a footprint for it, but cannot see how.
>
> Sorry for the flurry of questions... learning a lot today


menu on the top, just under "Dimensions"

Icon  number  4 from left, an orange-ish one in the PCB program.

//dan

Re: [kicad-users] copper side assembly

[Dan Andersson]

On Sunday 26 October 2008 21:51:14 tom_iphi wrote:
> Hi,
>
> can I somehow use the same SMD module for component side assembly and
> copper side assembly or do I need separate modules?
>
> Regards, Tom

Wrks OK, just flip the component.

Dan

Re: [kicad-users] Re: Postscript Output

[Dan Andersson]

> Well, I loaded the file in GerbView 6 & all I can see a single hole.
> That was the reason I tried Postscript output.
>
> My ancient BoardMaker for DOS also supports such rectangular holes as
> standard pad type. But most modern layout softs doesnot allow this !?
>
> I have circumvented this problem(Eagle) by placing overlapping holes
> on a single pad thus creating rectangular hole. Since kicad does not
> allow this & it does supports the non-circular holes I tried it.
> I just wanted to cross-check the output!
>
> regards,
> sam_des


Rectangular holes are no holes as such - they are milled squares.

The softwares supporting milled areas can be used to define these structures 
but it's slightly unusual.

Regarding square pads.  The traditional Gerber plotters had only round 
apertures and could subsequently not do squares... The corners of the 
smallest structure had always the radius of the smallest apertures.

Keep in mind that most PCB cad softwares must carry this heritage but KiCad is 
one of the better I've seen lately.

//Dan

Re: [kicad-users] Re: Postscript Output

[Dan Andersson]

>
> I don't think anyone was planning to make PCBs from the PS output.
> But I assume the OP was using it as a check plot.  If it is not
> intended to be accurate, why is it there?

AS an owner of a postscript printer I'd say I like the PS option of KiCad but 
frankly, the output is rather rubbish...

The other alternative is HP Plotter format - Yikes... So the PS output is not 
a bad choice for anything but pcb production purpose.

I do prefer the Gerber file but I use the Geda Gerber viewer instead a it's 
more integrated in the Linux environment than KiCad's Gerber viewer.


//Dan

Re: [kicad-users] Postscript Output

[Dan Andersson]

On Thursday 24 April 2008 20:26:28 sadkra wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I just finished my first sch-pcb project in Kicad.
>
> I tried to output the pcb in Postscript format. When I looked
> carefully at the Postscript file, I found that some of the pads are
> missing &/or some pads are only half drawn in bottom-copper layer
> while bottom-copper mask shows the complete pad-mask.
>
> I may add that gerber output of the same pcb is fine without any
> problems.
>
> It will be of great help if someone throws any light on this.
>
> regards,
> sam_des

The postscript output is NOT for PCB making!!!

If you need Postscript for PCB making, use a Gerber Viewer and make a 
Postscript output from it.

You can't "trust" anything but the Gerber file.

//Dan, M0DFI

Re: [kicad-users] How do I create an unconnected Zone

[Dan Andersson]

On Tuesday 15 April 2008 13:20:30 Jonas Diemer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I want to add zones to fill any free space on copper and component layers
> to save etchant. However, I do not want that zone to be connected to any
> net.
>
> How would I do that?
>
> Jonas


Just avoid clicking on the network highlight icon to the right - and select an 
empty area and click.

Now create your zone.

The zone wont connect anywhere unless you have a network highlighted...

//Dan

Re: [kicad-users] SMD Value missing in gerber file

[Dan Andersson]

On Saturday 12 April 2008 22:12:36 davidgrm wrote:
> Hi
>
> I dont get the value of SMD devices in the gerber file for the
> components silk. Any suggestions will be welcome
>
> Thanks

...  Which is absolutely normal.  -except for Tantal Electrolytic capacitors, 
depending on the footprint size.

Normally, you have a very limited space available for the text and that means 
that most designers prefer the database number instead of the value.

However. You can edit the layer manually BUT! 

I do recommend changing the source of the information rather than changing the 
output...



//Dan, M0DFI

Re: [kicad-users] Defining footprints

[Dan Andersson]

On Friday 29 February 2008 19:46:37 Fred wrote:
> Hi,
>
> sorry for asking what might be a ridiculous question. I searched the
> English language tutorials and this forum, but did not find an answer.
>
> I need to use an IC which only comes in a 12-pin TSOPJW package, which
> is not one of the footprints available in cvpcb.
>
> How can I create a new footprint? Is there an editor (equivalent to the
> library editor for entering schematic symbols) for this task?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred

Fred,

Lucky you...

KiCad have one of the simplest to use Library and Module editors I've seen.

You can find the information you need in the KiCad tutorial.

A simple footprint takes only a few minutes to create.

//Dan, M0DFI

Re: [kicad-users] Help required with the source code .....of KICAD

[Dan Andersson]

On Monday 25 February 2008 11:20:27 ghatwal_amit wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am a newbie to the world of open source 
> I have download the KICAD source code .
> I have some few very basic questions out here.
>
> Which is the integrated development environment (IDE ) used for source
> code compilation,editing ,linking ,etc ?
> Which are the IDE's used in both WINDOWS and LINUX platform ?
> How do we compile the code in both LINUX and in WINDOWS .?
>
>
> Regards
> Amit


Amit,

First question is - why do you want to compile it. There are both windows and 
linux version ready and compiled for download?

Read the manual on how to compile KiCad, it's all there.


IDE? Use whatever variant you like... Remember - It's dangerous to tie up an 
application to a specific IDE.  KiCad is written in bog standard C and C++ so 
choose carefully.

However,
You can find several open source ide's  like OpenLDev.

Use Google and pick the one that suits you best.

Also, look for free RUP and RAD environments as this is good for your CV... 


//Dan

Re: [kicad-users] Re: KICAD gerber problems - tracks

[Dan Andersson]

On Sunday 24 February 2008 20:25:10 moomoo67 wrote:
> Cheers Dan. Plotting .ps files did the job. I don't why i was using
> gerber (i must have read the wrong thing in a how-to). Just confused
> because printing the .pho files were perfect except for those gaps
> in the corner of tracks.

Well, 

Your first printouts with the gaps are not really .pho or gerber files.

The printout direct from the PCB program  is there as a design tool if you 
want a  hardcopy while working on the board. It isn't intended even for 
prototype production.

Anyway, good to hear you can get proper printouts from the postscript files.

HOWEVER!


Really spend some time to verify that you can get an absolute scale 1:1 on the 
printouts.
Many printers and different softwares tend to scale to printout and you 
seriously do not want that on a tight design with SMD parts!


//Dan, M0DFI

Re: [kicad-users] Re: KICAD gerber problems - tracks

[Dan Andersson]

On Sunday 24 February 2008 18:26:50 moomoo67 wrote:
> I realise i may come off as a complete muppet but i'll be brief. I'm
> using Linux, using the plot function. I am plotting to a gerber file
> then printing the gerber file (.pho) to my printer.
>
> Can't say i'll ever use viewplot as it'll need wine and Linux users
> will now how hit and miss that is. Plus, i have to pay for to use it
> other than a viewer.
>
> Just tried to print again. Still the same.

Aerrmmm? 

So you are printing the .pho file to your printer -

I assume your printer is a real life Gerber Plotter/Printer then?

If not, you'll get garbage as printout.

The .pho file is a readable ascii file and if you open it, you'll see a lot 
of "D"'s and coordinates.

Can your printer deal with these? No - it can't, unless it's a Gerber 
Photoplotter or compatible.


Plot to HPGL or PostScript.

HP lasers should be able to do HPGL and install the free program "Ghostscript" 
if you are running windooze to print PostScript files.

Gerber plots are almost only used when you intend to send your data to a 
commercial/professional PCB manufacturer. Very few of my friends have a 
Gerber plotter in their attic or cellar - unfortunately...

I think there is Gerber >> CNC   as well as  HPGL >> CNC  converters for you 
who have a pcb cnc at home.


//Dan, M0DFI

Re: [kicad-users] Re: KICAD gerber problems - tracks

[Dan Andersson]

On Saturday 23 February 2008 06:51:23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > I'll try to explain. At any corner of a track a gap is present.



This is simply because you are printing the PCB directly from the File Menu.

The direct print is a design tool, not an artwork tool!

To print the artwork (or PCB), you MUST first PLOT the work. It's first then 
you get the proper graphics.  You plot in PostScript, GERBER or HPGL.

I use PostScript for home prototyping as I'm using Linux and PostScript is 
fairly native to Linux. I use Gerber when sending the artwork to a PCB house.

I assume a HPGL file would be fine as my HP laser supposedly deals with it but 
I haven't bothered...

If you are using Windooze, you might run into a snag with PostScript as this 
format was to close to Apple for Billy G to adopt it early.

There are a number of softwares for Windooze that deals with PostScript like 
GhostScript etc.

You must check that whatever you use doesn't create a wrong output scale 

Best solution is probably to use Linux tho' . If you don't - it's about time!

//Dan, M0DFI

Re: [kicad-users] Re: EMERGENCY ! Kicad to eagle, is it possible ?

[Dan Andersson]

On Tuesday 12 February 2008 21:43:35 agustinvalenciag wrote:
> > But you must be sure of the distances and gaps of your
>
> manufacturer's
>
> > technology in order to tell Pcbnew to create the Gerber files with
>
> them.
>
> > Pedro.
>
> for the different norms in gerber files ?
>
> thanks pedro

Different photoplotters have a different set of apertures if they are of the 
older type of Gerber plotters with fixed optical slots. The newer ones are 
laser based and the aperture can normally be changed ( at a cost ).  You MUST 
check with your supplier which apertures he accepts.


//Dan

Re: [kicad-users] EMERGENCY ! Kicad to eagle, is it possible ?

[Dan Andersson]

On Tuesday 12 February 2008 20:25:49 Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer 
wrote:
> > I think that gerber files are the same in any software, but i take
> > some .brd archives and try to open it in eagle, and isn't possible
> > (eagle output format is .brd too), i don't know if with gerber files
> > happens the same.


Again,

The Eagle  .brd file format is not the same as the KiCad  .brd file.
It's just a naming habit and a .brd extension is rather obvious...

If your PCB manufacturer can't read Gerber files(?) You are seriously overdue 
to choose another manufacturer!

Besides!   Make a CD with the Windows and Linux version of the softyware and 
bring it to your manufacturer. Show him how to make Gerber files by 
selecting "plot" from the file menu of the PCB tool.

//Dan

Re: [kicad-users] EMERGENCY ! Kicad to eagle, is it possible ?

[Dan Andersson]

On Tuesday 12 February 2008 20:10:01 agustinvalenciag wrote:
> Hi everyone !
>
> I've some troubles on my job... so is it possible to make a pcb using
> kicad and read it in eagle after ?
>
> i know that is a rare question, but, what's up if the pcb
> manufacturer can't read the kicad's file ? or there's always a way to
> read the files ?
>
> I think that gerber files are the same in any software, but i take
> some .brd archives and try to open it in eagle, and isn't possible
> (eagle output format is .brd too), i don't know if with gerber files
> happens the same.
>
> my boss ask me that and i can't answer him, please help me.
>
> thanks !
> (excuse my bad english)
> agustín.



The Eagle   .brd files are EAGLE PROPRIETARY and not Gerber format

The KiCad GERBER files are readable.

You CANNOT send the KiCad datafiles to your PCB manufacturer if he only 
supports Gerber. You have to PLOT the KiCad files first. These Gerber files 
will have the extension   .pho

//Dan, M0DFI

Re: [kicad-users] Comparing gerber files for changes

[Dan Andersson]

On Monday 04 February 2008 14:50:54 barkerben wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have two sets of gerber files that I THINK are identical. Any ideas
> how to be sure? I can load multiple gerbers into the viewer, but if I
> load layer1 from one set and layer 1 from the other, they both seem to
> be loaded the same colour, so it is impossible to tell if there is a
> difference.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ben



Linux/Unix ?

Try running  "diff" on them.

If they are stacked in a different order, it's more problematic.

Try:

edit the backup/trashable copies of your two Gerber fileS  with your favourite 
editor.

Sort the files.
Compare.

The files can't be used for plotting anumore but now you can compare drill 
holes,
Open aperture and where
Close aperture and where

Etc etc


//Dan

Re: [kicad-users] Re: Placing a wire

[Dan Andersson]

On Wednesday 30 January 2008 14:45:05 glinelec wrote:
> --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, "glinelec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > My EeSchima seems to have stopped allowing wire placements.
> > If I select the add wire button the bottom right status shows Add Wire.
> > When I click on a pin the status shows Block Move and the operation
> > switches to block move even though the Add Wire button is "depressed".
> > I am have been using the system for a while and have not experienced
> > this before.
> > Same occurs with add bus but not with add component or add powers.
> > Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
> > Version is 19 11 2007 Windows.
>
> Posting a reply myself with more information.
> The file was originally loaded from the Kicad main screen.
> If I reload the schematic directly from the file menu in EeSchemea all
> is ok.

The Linux version on Kubuntu 7.10 behaves in a similar way.

Depending on the level of zoom, I have to try 2 - 5 times before the wire 
placement "bites". Also,it's common that I have to cancel a "component move" 
while trying to get the wire started.

I noticed this with the last version of KiCad.  I' using an AMD 64 dual core 
4000+ and "enough"  dual port RAM.

As a workaround, change zoom leve ( increase ) and try a couple of times and 
it'll work.


//Dan

Re: [kicad-users] DRC problem.

[Dan Andersson]

On Tuesday 22 January 2008 15:27:05 leo leo wrote:
> hi to everybody!
> I' routed a board with PCBnew, but I have a big problem.
> I placed a text on the TOP layer, but, inadvertently , this text has joined
> together two tracks with the ground plane. The problem is that with the DRC
> tool it seems to be all OK!!! but if I'd make the board without discover
> this problem, I'd had a board that doesn't work!!! I'm making something
> wrong, or this is a real big limitation of this software? How can the DRC
> miss this macroscopicus error?
>
> Thank you,
> Leonardo.
>
>
>   ___
> L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail:
> http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

The text is probably not marked and treated as copper nor component layer.

//Dan 

[kicad-users] SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dan Andersson]

SORRYY!

Discard!


Please

//Dan

Re: [kicad-users] 2.5mm stereo audio jack component

[Dan Andersson]

On Saturday 29 December 2007 06:34:47 andydavis_78 wrote:
> "andydavis_78" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Andy,

There are many  different types of 2.5mm jacks so you need to be a wee bit
careful and just not take the first you find.

Look at you favourite part dealers, check what's normally in stock and 
download the datasheet for that particular jack and make your own module.

This isn't a jack-only advice, it goes for all hobby builders where the make 
of the component is less important than being able to buy it locally in small 
volumes.

Pro's and semi-pro's in electronic design and PCB design tend to forget this 
as we have a component sourcer doing this for us...

In some countries like the UK, Farnell follows the EU legislation and allows 
anyone that can pay to buy their products, in other EU countries they break 
EU law by claiming that only businesses or business account holders are 
allowed to buy from them.

Luckily, here in the horrible and commercialised Anglo-Saxon world ( UK ), 
money is the king... and we can buy anywhere as long as we have plastic money 
and buy for more than £20 or so...  I guess it's the same situation in the 
US. Here in the UK, I get the delivery within one working day after order!  


//Dan, M0DFI

Re: [kicad-users] 2.5mm stereo audio jack component

[Dan Andersson]

On Saturday 29 December 2007 06:34:47 andydavis_78 wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I'm looking for a eeschema component and a pcbnew footprint for a
> 2.5mm stereo audio jack. If anyone can point me in the right direction
> it would be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Andy.

2.5mm?

Well, here is a 3.5mm - very simple audio jack. 2.5mm jacks are mostly used 
for mobile phones etc.

//Dan, M0DFI


PCBNEW-LibModule-V1  29/12/2007-11:21:24
$INDEX
EBS35
$EndINDEX
$MODULE EBS35
Po 0 0 0 15 47762D62 47762DA3 ~~
Li EBS35
Sc 47762DA3
Op 0 0 0
T0 118 118 600 600 0 120 N V 21 "EBS35"
T1 118 3465 600 600 0 120 N V 21 "VAL**"
DS -2795 984 -4173 984 150 21
DS -4134 -984 -2795 -984 150 21
DS -2795 -1181 -4173 -1181 150 21
DS -4173 -1181 -4173 1181 150 21
DS -4173 1181 -2795 1181 150 21
DS -2795 0 -2795 -2283 150 21
DS -2795 -2283 2795 -2283 150 21
DS 2795 -2283 2795 0 150 21
DS 2795 0 2795 2283 150 21
DS 2795 2283 -2756 2283 150 21
DS -2756 2283 -2795 2283 150 21
DS -2795 2283 -2795 0 150 21
$PAD
Sh "1" C 1000 1000 0 0 0
Dr 433 0 0
At STD N 00E0
Ne 0 ""
Po -2252 -12
$EndPAD
$PAD
Sh "" C 1000 1000 0 0 0
Dr 433 0 0
At STD N 00E0
Ne 0 ""
Po 2512 1962
$EndPAD
$PAD
Sh "3" C 1000 1000 0 0 0
Dr 433 0 0
At STD N 00E0
Ne 0 ""
Po -44 1962
$EndPAD
$PAD
Sh "2" C 787 787 0 0 0
Dr 433 0 0
At STD N 00E0
Ne 0 ""
Po 516 -1904
$EndPAD
$PAD
Sh "" C 787 787 0 0 0
Dr 433 0 0
At STD N 00E0
Ne 0 ""
Po 197 -945
$EndPAD
$EndMODULE  EBS35
$EndLIBRARY

Re: [kicad-users] Re: Single layer PCB ... bridges on top layer

[Dan Andersson]

On Monday 17 December 2007 13:09:49 axtz4 wrote:
> --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, "newskyperhh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> > I want to make a single layer PCB with only one copper site. So i must
> > make manually bridges on component side.
> >
> > But I can't make any pad's or continuous bonding / interlayer
> > connection  for bridges.
>
> Just make a track on the component side using the normal method, which
> will create a via for you. The size of a via can be adjusted using the
>  Dimensions | Tracks and Vias menu item, and it can be made large
> enough to give a good pad size for soldering the jumper wires.
>
> There are some limitations to this, since jumpers made with insulated
> wire can cross whereas real track can not.




Why so much fuzz about this?

Just make the single layer PCB as a normal two layer but use the component 
side layer as your jumpers.


Dan, M0DFI

Re: [kicad-users] module numbering

[Dan Andersson]

On Sunday 25 November 2007 07:15:05 dave wrote:
> what am i doing wrong?
>
> i drew up a schematic and made a netlist and started to layout the board. i
> found an error and when i went back to correct it and then make a new
> netlist the program changed several part numbers..  so then it gave me an
> error when it read the new netlist in the pcb layout program.
>
> it is driving me nuts!!!
>
> am i doing something wrong or is there a problem with the program?
>
>
> thanks for the help
>
> dave.

The pcb layout does not replace or change modules as default, you need to tick 
the correct box for that in the net list read window.

//Dan

Re: [kicad-users] Comparison

[Dan Andersson]

Bob,

First,

the most important to know about schematic cads as well as pcb cads, are how 
to implement a set of "best practice" while working with the system ( 
KICad ).

KiCad is good by letting you - without the need for tweaks and workarounds, 
adhere to good working practice while cad'ing your designs.

The biiig difference between pcb cads are the supporting applications, 
especially for high speed ( emc prone ) designs as well as RF designs.

In KiCad, you have to switch on your own brain to do any Maxwell simulations 
etc.

At the end of the day, it all comes down to the price tag. CAD softwares are 
low volume products with heavy maintenance. This have to be paid by someone - 
the customer. A good software can easily cost 25,000$ per head and year in 
maintenance/upgrades. But be reminded, they are probably not making a lot of 
profit on the software sale! The profit comes mostly from training!

Training to be able to follow best design practice



KiCad is good for 90% or more of both analog/digital and RF designs. These 
with special requirements on RF designs, they have to more or less do manual 
designs anyway - and KiCad will do nicely here too.

I wouldn't use KiCad for the design of a 5000 Dual Core AMD 64 motherboard... 
But even the thought of that is slightly daft.

I have so far not been hindered in my Hamradio designs when using KiCad so 
this have to be named my primary choice. I'm not locked in to Windows - I use 
Linux and if you add QUCS to your design suite, you can go very very far 
before running out of tools.

It would of course be nice with backward annotation and a good simulator 
interface but I still prefer the main development efforts to focus on the 
standard cad features...


//Dan, M0DFI
  

>
> On Nov 12, 2007 7:01 AM, rtnmi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Can someone tell me how Kicad compares to commercial software for the
> > same purpose of Electronic Design.
> >
> > My son is working toward his degree and I wanted him to use Kicad if it
> > will help him with software that is industry standard.
> >
> > I am using it for my hobby of Ham Radio.
> >
> > tnx Bob

Re: [kicad-users] Re: using subfolders for extra libraries

[Dan Andersson]

On Thursday 01 November 2007 12:39:21 David Bourgeois wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 11:58:15 +0100, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> > I have libraries in two separate directories, on different drives
> > (representing the those supplied with kicad and my own).   I had no
> > difficulties doing this.   I used "Preferences...Libs and Dir" from the
> > menu, then clicked "Add" to add the library, and "Save Cfg" to save the
> > new configuration.   Does that not work for you?
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> it doesn't work for me if I do exactly that. Which directory do you set in
> the 'Library Files path' field?
>
> David



OI!


The default library path point to a system directory!

You have to change the path to a writeable directory before saving!



//Dan, M0DFI

Re: [kicad-users] Re: prototype PCBs

[Dan Andersson]

Well,

I'm a happy chum - I'm paid i Pound Sterling...
( Which may implode any day )

It's weird having to a currency rate of 2$ to the Pound. I assume the Pound is 
about 30% overvalued compared to the Dollar... 

I'm comparing UK proto houses with US prices on PCB's. As a general rule, UK 
customers seems to be paying AT LEAST 50 - 100% more for these services in 
the UK compared to the US pricing. This have not changed since the Dollar 
weakened so it's just the standard UK ripoff mentality.

I use   http://www.goldphoenixpcb.biz/   and so far so good. The ship 
primarily to the US... but also to Europe.

I have tested the PCB Pool here in Europe but they seem to be much more pricey 
than the US PCB Pool so I'm a bit reluctant to use them. Besides - the 
Chinese doesn't limit the number of VIA holes or pads and do panelising.

The last time I used PCB Pool here in the UK, the proto board verification was 
done in Germany and the proto production in Ireland. It took about one and a 
half week to get the boards.
We have an overnight service but that comes with a price.

Regarding the Chinese,
You can get a 155 sq inch 2 layer board for $100 plus freight, to the US = $10 
and UK.

I'd say that $100 ( or $110 ) is a good price for 12" by 12" proto boards,
They claim 2-3 days to the US but I cannot comment on that.

It's probably very similar to the Olimex pricing.

I'm intending to try their gold immersion at my next project, a VNA for 3GHz, 
so that will be new for me.


You tend to forget the differences between the US market and the protectionist 
European market together with the language barriers we still encounter, 
especially with the English versus France clashes...

The Olimex service sounds good and I have to check it out as an alternative to 
the Chinese made boards.

I normally use 0.8mm FR4 so that will be a bit more costly than $33...
But 33 Dollars, that's only £16 and that's only 6 pints of proper English 
beer... 

But again, I might give it a try... Also, Olimex claims to take KiCad :)

//Dan



On Friday 26 October 2007 21:58:08 Dan wrote:
> Dan,
>
> You're a little confused.  Assuming you're a US resident, a weak
> Dollar is a bad thing if you're trying to buy stuff from other
> countries.  Things from China were cheap because the Dollar used to be
> strong, and was worth more than other currencies.  Now the Dollar is
> weakening, so expect prices of everything imported to rise.
>
> As far as PC boards, I'm not looking forward to this.  This PCB-pool
> service, and every other US-based service I've checked out, has been
> massively overpriced in terms of $/square inch.  If you're doing a 4-,
> 6-, or 8-layer board, the US board makers are probably good, but if
> you're a typical hobbyist making 1- or 2-layer boards maximum, they're
> not.  You're usually looking at over $100 for the smallest possible
> board order.  I can get a 3.9" x 6.3" board, single sided, from Olimex
> for $35 including shipping, and this includes free panelization, which
> is good for me since I usually stick lots of small boards together
> onto one.  No US-based board maker can come close to this deal.  The
> only other place I've seen that is nearly as good is CustomPCB in
> Malaysia, but they don't do free panelization (though you can panelize
> and cut them apart yourself; the US places won't even allow this!).
>
> A weak Dollar is generally a bad thing, though it may have some good
> effects as well.  Anyone trying to export things will be able to
> compete better with foreign companies, and anyone worried about having
> their job shipped offshore has a little less to worry about as a weak
> Dollar makes American labor less expensive relative to other
> currencies.  However, economies seem to have a way of crashing instead
> of gracefully changing, so I'm more than a little worried that we may
> be in for some very hard times ahead, since China owns 1/3 of our
> mortgage market, and when prices of imported items rise, we have no
> way to compete since we no longer know how to make anything ourselves.
>
> As for Chinese board makers you mention, I don't know of any that ship
> boards in prototype quantities to the USA, the way that Olimex does.
>
> Dan
>
> --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Dan Andersson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thursday 25 October 2007 14:34:11 betalayout wrote:
> > > Has anyone used the PCB-pool.com service before?
> > > Excellent prices for prototypes, no minimum quantity, anything from 1
> > > to 6 layers - no tooling costs Fully industrial quality, ideal for
> > > hobbyists, small businesses etc.
> > >
> > > Happy routing!
> >
> > Yes, and with good results.
> >
> > However - It is by far(!) cheaper to buy PCB's from China,
>
> especially if you
>
> > accept to wait a bit longer. You get larger areas for less money. (
>
> more
>
> > boards )
> >
> > They charge in US Dollars and as the Dollar is so weak, it's a bargain!

Re: [kicad-users] prototype PCBs

[Dan Andersson]

On Thursday 25 October 2007 14:34:11 betalayout wrote:
> Has anyone used the PCB-pool.com service before?
> Excellent prices for prototypes, no minimum quantity, anything from 1
> to 6 layers - no tooling costs Fully industrial quality, ideal for
> hobbyists, small businesses etc.
>
> Happy routing!

Yes, and with good results.

However - It is by far(!) cheaper to buy PCB's from China, especially if you 
accept to wait a bit longer. You get larger areas for less money. ( more 
boards )

They charge in US Dollars and as the Dollar is so weak, it's a bargain!


//Dan  

Re: [kicad-users] Re: Kicad + Borland CPP (Free Turbo Version)?

[Dan Andersson]

Do Not! fork out and use another compiler than the GCC.

As the development of the GCC have been seen breaking some softwares and 
libraries, it would probably be a serious waste of time to start forking the 
makefiles for further compilers.

Regarding quality - GCC is probably the most developed and checked compiler 
out there. Besides, the GCC is a free software and by that - available to 
anyone.

I seriously doubt you will be able to find any serious shortcomings of GCC 
when compared to Borland.

There are reasons behind the major C-compiler producers to compare their
products with GCC. 

If you want to develop KiCad further, use GCC! If you "have" to add .NET 
functions, see to that they are compatible with MONO so we can compile them 
in fully open source environments.


//Dan

On Saturday 13 October 2007 19:55:37 drwrench wrote:
> Hi Dick, Thanks for the reply.
>
> > I have not seen support for this compiler in the makefiles.
>
> Ok
>
> > Do you realize what the quality level is for the GCC compiler suite
> > that Kicad uses as standard?
>
> I don't know much about the recommended compiler but I did download
> it and will use it if I need to.
>
> I mainly develop using Borland tools for Java, C# and Pascal
> languages. I was hoping that if I could "import" Kicad into Borland
> CPP builder then everything would be under one IDE and I could tryout
> the possibilites of integrating parts of Kicad into other
> applications written in other languages.
>
> It's more out of interest at the moment as I have no real need to use
> any CAD package and don't want to learn a new compiler suite if I can
> avoid it for now.
>
> But in the future I may need CAD so would like to try things out
> early on if I can and I thought the Borland route would be the
> easiest way for me.

Re: [kicad-users] adding a componet

[Dan Andersson]

William,

The KiCad tutorial describes how top add komponents of your own choice.

Try reading up on the tutorial but... if you still can't figure it out, make a 
post to the group again and we'll walk it through...

//Dan 



On Saturday 05 May 2007 21:40:59 William wrote:
> Hi guys,
> Can someone point me to a URL that can tell me how to add
> a component to KiCAD?
>
>
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Re: [kicad-users] What do you guys use for SPICE?

[Dan Andersson]

On Friday 23 March 2007 20:03:53 Ian bell wrote:
> David Gravereaux wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'd like to model performance/behavior of a circuit I have.  The
> > schematic is done in eeschema and noticed on the netlist generation
> > dialog there is a SPICE launcher.
> >
> > What do you guys use for it?  Some port of Berkeley SPICE.  If so which
> > one do like.
>
> I use SwitcherCAD.
>
> Ian

I use QUCS. It's FREE and available for Windows and Linux! QUCS can also 
simulate microstrip's.

//Dan

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Re: [kicad-users] Re: Poll results for kicad-users

[Dan Andersson]

On Sunday 04 March 2007 22:01:52 roger_irwin wrote:
> --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, kicad-users@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> > CHOICES AND RESULTS
> > - Never use it, 14 votes, 37.84%
> > - To initially throw the components across the surface roughly
>
> grouped on the basis of the netlist, 15 votes, 40.54%
>
> > - To try and find the exact optimal placement of individual
>
> compnents, 8 votes, 21.62%
>
> > - Other, 0 votes, 0.00%
>
> Now I get to reveal **why** I set this poll. When I tried using the
> autoplace function, I found it to be very slow, but precise, as it
> iterates througth each component trying to find an optimum placement.
>
> I would have preferred that it was much quicker rather than being so
> precise, so I set the poll to see what other people thought. The
> results are fairly clear, people wanting precise autoplace functions
> are few, half that of the people who would like autoplace to throw
> component roughly into position.
>
> BTW, It may be that some of the people who "never use it" may not use
> it because they have never used a package that does a quick and rough
> autoplace.
>
> However, as a conclusion, I would say that whilst there are users who
> appreciate KiCAD's precise autoplacer, there would seem to be ample
> demand for a quick placer algorithm as well.

Roger,

In my case, I use it for rather high frequency designs with DDS chips and 
MMIC's etc. 

I stopped attempting to use autoplace and route many years ago.
I can't use it for audio apps, not for RF apps and neither for embedded 
systems.
I past years, you designed more of glue logics with low bus speeds so an 
optimising autoplace+route cad was very convenient to have.

If that is what you need, the KiCad won't be optimal for you unfortunately.

Most hobby apps tend to fall into the categories I described earlier as many 
homebrewers are Hams. ( I know, some are audio freaks too... )



//Dan

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Re: [kicad-users] Single layer board: using wire jumpers in newpcb

[Dan Andersson]

On Saturday 03 March 2007 10:57:39 YD wrote:
> If you really, really, must have them on the BOM
>  you'll need to create them as special symbols in the
>  schematic and corresponding foot-prints in the
>  lay-out. The couple of times I needed this I made them
>  as zero-ohm resistors with a 400 mil foot-print. For a
>  configurable board I made a jumper symbol with a 100
>  mil fp.
>
>  As others have mentioned, the usual way is to make a
>  double-sided board making sure the top-side tracks are
>  all straight lines[1]. Length can be variable as
>  needed. Be sure to check the via size. Won't show up
>  on the BOM but after assembly any empty holes will be
>  quite conspicuous. You can always draw a line between
>  them on the silk-screen.
>
>  [1] Not necessarily. I have seen boards with diagonal
>  and wiggly jumpers, sometimes under it. May be bad
>  form, but hey, if it works...
>
>  - YD.



This is the correct way to do it!

The main reason is that you can make the modules with bg pads and drill 
holes.

Pissing about with changing pads on a layer is just bad practice!

This way, you can use the BOM to verify the presence of all pads.


//Dan

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Re: [kicad-users] Single layer board: using wire jumpers in newpcb

[Dan Andersson]

On Friday 02 March 2007 18:55:55 peterhaaf wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> this is the first i am asking in this group, also i am used to read
> quite a long time now. I have done a couple of simple designs yet
> all without much problems, but i wouldn´t call myself as a Kicad
> expert. I hope this will change and i will be able to contribute
> here as well.
>
> My question may be a bit stupid, but i had no real luck dealing
> with this issue.
> I want to design a single layer board. So i need to use wire jumpers
> to get some parts conected. I can insert holes and draw a graphical
> line to be able to remember this jumper later, but since i do not have
> this jumber in the netlist, nothing keeps track of this junction, i
> can not run a design check successfully, etc.
>
> I hope one understands what i mean, and hope much more that someone
> can suggest a solution.
>
> Thanx, Peter
>
> PS: Many thanx to you all, esp. to the developers, without this
> wonderful software would not exist.

Peter,

Use two layers. The solder side can be the actual "single layer" and the 
component side the jumpers.

You print out a single layer anyway so just discard the component side 
printout - and use it as the schematic for your jumpers.


//Dan 

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Re: [kicad-users] High speed design

[Dan Andersson]

On Tuesday 27 February 2007 00:35:07 terrastudios wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Just getting to grips with Kicad (slowly!). I've got a design to draw
> in Kicad that uses 133mhz SDRAM and a 400mhz core clock DSP, I wish to
> get all the trace lengths the same for the buses. I've had a look in
> the PCB editing software for a feature where I can, for example,
> double click a track and select track length and the software will
> tell me the length of the track in mm so that I know to make any
> adjustments to get all the bus tracks the same.
>
> Is there any easy way of doing this currently?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Matt

Go to the transmission/microstrip menu in KiCad PCB. You can define the 
length.


//Dan

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Re: [kicad-users] Re: Surface Mount Footprints Missing? - 0603 0805 1210

[Dan Andersson]

 or Pakistan!
Any comparisons are an insult to the compared nations!

I remember being told that sending anything important in Italy by the Italian 
postal service was tantamount to a "sacking offence". We ALWAYS had to use 
DHL, FEDEX or UPS.

>
> Farnell by contrast ship from the UK, but not all thier compnents are
> local, they have a partnership with Newark components in the US. But if
> your order includes US items then you get extended delivery times and
> major shipping costs.you are better off just ordering all from a US
> major such as Digikey!

Farnell have messed up their sales in Europe by having different behaviour in 
different countries. In the UK, I buy from Farnell without problems as a 
private person or domestic customer. Farnell Sweden only trades with 
companies as the only send invoices...

I must remind you that it isn't that many years ago when you could not pay for 
petrol on the German gas stations - with plastic money ( credit cards )!

Plastic money is still treated as suspect in some nations and you are not 
allowed to buy online as it's only a real signature that counts, not 
passwords and electronic signatures!
Again, a result from different legal systems!


>
> Conrad are a big german distributor who have teamed up with Target so
> that target libraries even have Conrad part number and prices in thier
> attributes field. Great if you want to limit your design to Conrad
> components, but thier selection is quite limited and again sometimes
> pricey.
>
> But by now you have got the picture. Unless these companies start
> thinking on a true European scale with centralised operations and
> partnerships between themselves for stocking ranges of electronic
> components then they will find themselves struggling to compete with US
> distributors despite the (theoretical) extra day and costs in delivery
> times.
>

Forget the Euro thing, it only works regionally. It's just impossible to forge 
the French with the English. It wont happen!

When it comes down to the nitty gritty, Spain, Italy and France are still the 
Latin protectionist nations they always been.

> And finally some self criticism. I am English but based in NW Italy.
> Here the electronics industry is very much in the doldrums, and I have
> to scratch around for work. I invariably scratch around in Italy, but
> have no excuse for this. I have worked with companies as far away as
> Bologna, Veneto and Rome. There is a thiving electronics industry in
> Munich, which is nearer to me than Rome. There is a splintering of
> electronics activity in the area to the east of Lyons (Grenoble is 2
> hours drive from here). Not to mention switzerland (Geneva 3 hours)
> which whilst not being in the Eurozone does have trade agreements. Many
> people cite language as a barrier, well althougth I speak fluent
> Italian, if I need to prepare a formal offer or specification I
> invariably get it re-written by an Italian as formal Italian is very
> sophisticated. By contrast inter-european business, at least in western
> europe, is invariably done in English, where I am at an advantage. There
> is not even a beurocracy excuse. Dealing with other EU coutries I do not
> need any customs paperwork or anything, just a normal delivery note and
> invoice as I would need in Italy. Yet I don't do it. I cannot imagine a
> small company in Boston having a block about working for a comapny in,
> say, Austin or Seattle, but the geographical differences are far
> greater. On a geographical scale it is like the Boston based company
> looking for work in the Maine and ignoring e.g. New York or Chicago.
>
> So there we have it. We Europeans are victims of our own introvert and
> introspective narrow minded outlook, and it seems only American
> companies can unite us. Perhaps it is because American companies are
> full of people from different European roots. Let's face it, if you go
> into Cadence I bet you can find plenty of people from Italian, German,
> Scotish, English, Spanish ..etc etc origins. You will never find
> such a mix in a European company!


Again, it's the mix that does it as I explained earlier in the text.


Anyway, stop whinging and live with it... :)


//Dan


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Re: [kicad-users] Re: PCB-Pool

[Dan Andersson]

On Thursday 01 February 2007 14:21:33 AK wrote:
> --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Roger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ever tried reading Descartes Ergo et Sum?
> >
> > Even if you don't like his philosophy I just know you love his
> > co-ordinates ;-)
>
> Hi Roger,
>
> I wish I like reading books as many like to do. Yes, I used to hear
> that Descartes is a great philosopher.
>
> On the other hand, why are we here in this group?
>
> I think we are here with the hope to discover first, how KiCAD (as it
> is) could be useful to us. right? But since there is also a chance to
> contact its creator(s), we may contribute in a way or another in its
> growing.
> To me LIFE (including my being) is like KiCAD. The only difference,
> life's features (natural rules) CANNOT be changed. So in order for me
> to take full advantage of it, I have tried discover its 'real'
> natural rules first. And I have chosen 'reason' only (it is naturally
> based on my own logic, not of others) to find out the best path for
> the nature I am made of. But in order to live also in peace with my
> dog (for example) I should discover what is good for his (or its)
> nature too.
> Yes, without true or sure knowledge life becomes much like a set of
> gambling games (by which only the Casinos win :) ). Anf if most
> people like to base their knowledge on faith instead of reason...
> perhaps because they enjoy living as gamblers :)) So it seems that at
> the end, everyone is happy with the way he/she lives.
>
> If KiCAD needs philosophy or faith to be understood... then I may
> also need philosophy or faith to understand life ;)
>
> Kerim



Newton was a vindicative SOB and generally an unpleasant bloke..

And that chap Descarte's dravel in Latin is still, together with "Tristan and 
Isolde" on my eternal hate list... All the crap they forced us to read at 
school... :)

I bet it was even worse for the American students as they doesn't have any 
history to spend time on, just a pack of authors and dead Presidents :) :)

And just love the film episode of The Black Adder (Mr Bean or Rowan Atkinson ) 
travels back in time and really punches out the dratted Billy 
Shakespeare... :)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0212579/



Nowadays, we mostly use Shakespeare to distinguish proper actors from American 
actors :)


Cheers

//Dan


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Re: [kicad-users] Re: PCB-Pool

[Dan Andersson]

>
> You all... have a nice day...
> Kerim

Kerim,

I fear that all posts regarding religious views have to be kept elsewhere, 
even if they are trying to be witty. Also, be reminded that Christianity is s 
minority religion...

With this in mind, remember that religious zealots currently are the largest 
global problem after global warming and global dimming...

So please, as a staunch engineer, please keep all posts regarding religion 
elsewhere!

//Dan

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Re: [kicad-users] Re: PCB-Pool

[Dan Andersson]

>
> I assume you are directing your jab at the US, but keep in mind that
> much of the world was viewed as "the colonies" by Europe.
>
> Ian, are flame wars allowed? :-)
>
> Just kidding. I have a sense of humor. I even enjoy British humor. ;-)
>
> a+

Hehe...

Unfortunately, many readers of these groups have a tendency to miss out any 
nuances in the posts. 

So you are always risking to be misunderstood when trying to be even slightly 
satirical... So far so good tho'   :)

This time, I just let it rest before I take off i na new tangent, whinging on 
about the young internet readers inability to understand what they are 
reading... 

BTW:)

I'm Swedish, even after 9 years here on the British Isles...


//Dan


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Re: [kicad-users] Re: PCB-Pool

[Dan Andersson]

On Wednesday 31 January 2007 19:05:45 Roger wrote:
> GAJDA wrote:
> > where can i found CeltCad for testing ?
>
> I believe the first public release is scheduled for 20070401

That would be a perfect date!  :)

//Dan

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Re: [kicad-users] Re: PCB-Pool

[Dan Andersson]

On Wednesday 31 January 2007 03:28:31 apluscw wrote:
> > And only because it's a European cad system...CeltCad   :)
> >
> > /Dan
> >
> > --
> > Dan Andersson, M0DFI
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Why don't you spawn CeltCad as a new project from KiCad? It happens all
> the time in open source.
>
> a+



Well,

It could be fun to poke an eye of the colonial users of KiCad, especially if 
one only included the European style symbols...

But no thank you... There are to much forking already...

//Dan

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Re: [kicad-users] Re: PCB-Pool

[Dan Andersson]

On Monday 29 January 2007 23:05:14 apluscw wrote:
> > The picts tended not to step out of thier own territory, but gave
> > short change to anybody who entered into thiers. The Romans sent an
> > entire Legion to go and teach the Picts a lesson. They set of from
> > York and where never seen again!
>
> And to think, one can learn so much Anglo-Saxon history by using KiCad!
>
> a+

Yup...

And only because it's a European cad system...CeltCad   :)

US history doesn't really go that far back, the probable reason behind the 
Americans need to learn everything about Mayflower and obscure American 
authors at school, rather than other useful treats like - geography...

//To all nationalistic, dimwits - this is not criticism, it's something called 
sarcasm :)//


/Dan

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Re: [kicad-users] Re: PCB-Pool

[Dan Andersson]

Hmmm,

That explains...

BTW! You are of course aware of the Saxon habit to kill off all the Welsh on 
sight... So also the Norse Vikings when they encountered these welsh... And 
the Vikings always claimed the Welsh to be easy kills and not to be counted 
and added to any man's honour... The Pict's was a differtent breed tho'


//Dan, M0DFI


On Monday 29 January 2007 15:10:25 apluscw wrote:
> --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com <mailto:kicad-users@yahoogroups.com>
>
> , Chris Bartram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've used PCB-Pool a lot over the past few years. They are a very
>
> friendly and
>
> > competent company, and if for no other reason than Celtic solidarity,
>
> it's
>
> > good to do business with a Company just the other side of the Irish
>
> Sea from
>
> > Wales!
> > Cheers/Hwyl
> >
> > Chris Bartram
>
> A thought crossed my mind over the weekend. I am partially of Welsh
> decent (mother's maiden name is Owens, which I am told is Welsh, please
> correct if otherwise). That may be why I am drawn to those friendly
> Irish so much.   [:)]
>
> To the best of my knowledge, my remaining ancestry is German and
> English. Given historical precident, the three together might explain my
> "inner termoil".  [:-&]
>
> Would love to visit your fine country sometime, but it is a very LONG
> drive from the US.
>
> Just babbling...
>
> apluscw



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Re: [kicad-users] CVPCB...

[Dan Andersson]

On Tuesday 23 January 2007 04:43, N9WYS wrote:
> Well, I think I'm finally getting somewhere.  I've got the schematic done
> -I rebuilt it in a new file, and I am able to build the netlist in CVPCB. 
> I did the Electric Rules Check - it showed no errors.  (But I guess it did
> that before, too...)
>
> However, I cannot find the associated footprint item in the right side list
> in CVPCB for the RJ-12 connector.  Is it called something else, or do I
> need to import an additional list of footrpints to enable this?  This is
> the only item I am missing for my project.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark - N9WYS


RJ-12 ?

Well Mark, start the pcb editor > module editor and design  your own RJ-12. It 
takes 10 minutes the first time... Next time you need a symbol or module, 
it'll take 2 minutes...

Really! Do not bee afraid of making new parts yourself! KiCad have one of the 
easiest and most straightforward sym/mod editors I've seen ( I'm 
a "professional" in Electronic since 1978 ) and is one of THE major reasons 
for me to use KiCad!




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Re: [kicad-users] PCBnew Printing

[Dan Andersson]

On Friday 19 January 2007 22:42, brchplt wrote:
> Hello,
> please excuse my lousy english language!
> I'm new on kicad and this Group.
> I have a problem with printing my board.
> My kicad-version is 2007-01-15
>
> I'm a linux-user and use suse 10.0.
> Printing of Schematics works, but printing of my Boards
> works not!
> The Printer used a sheet of paper, but no output is readeble.
>
> Have anybody a Idea ?
>
> many thanks!

I'm using a SuSE 10.2 and all printing is OK.

I use the latest KiCad and it's just working!

1 - Get another file in postscript format and try to print it.
2 - Instead of printing direct to the printer, choose to print to a file.
3 - lpr "filename" 

If the printer prints ok, you have a problem between your 10.0 and the KiCad.

If the printer prints a blank paper, your printer settings are smoked and you 
need to startup Yast and try reinstalling the printer.

Also, try printing a testpage from cups directly.  
The Cups server can be found athttp://localhost:631


But 10.0??? 

The 10.0 is a slow version and I do really want to point out that it's time to 
install SuSE 10.2 now!


//Dan 

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Re: [kicad-users] some help needed

[Dan Andersson]

Well Ian,

I downloaded the binary for QUCS ( like that for KiCad ) and just fired up the 
application. I do however, run a fairly mainstream distro, the SuSE 10.2 ( a 
RedHat relative ) and the binaries just works out of the box. 

QUCS is also available via "smart" and probably "apt" for the SuSE distro.

I rather see the developers spending time om important parts than adding 
multiple syntaxes for component values. This is of course up to ones personal 
taste and priorities...

There are two ways of expressing electronic values! The US version and the 
European version. The syntax used is probably ISO or something similar.
We have still differences in schematic symbols for US and European versions.
Personally, I rather see QUCS adhering to one standard only.

However, as I am brought up with both worlds ( worked with RCA during the 
eighties ) - I just don't care about it. The confusion will fix itself in 
good time as the US users are in such minority. ( And we still educate more 
engineers than lawyers in Euroland... )

Still, I don't understand your claim on "no binaries"? I found both FreeHDL 
and QUCS binaries immediately.

Anyway!

Back to the original question -

QUCS is a viable alternative to  KiCad but! I have not looked to deep into 
exporting/importing netlists yet and as we all know, that can be a real 
bitch!

//Dan


On Wednesday 10 January 2007 23:04, Ian bell wrote:
> Dan Andersson wrote:
> > Also, choosing commercial softwares for homebrewer purpose running
> > WindowsXX, tend to end up with more or less restricted licensing
> > agreements or even functionality.
>
> In many cases but not all. switcherCAD functionality is fine.
>
> > So far, I have not ran into a brick wall in QUCS except for the total
> > stonewalling if I need mixed mode simulations. I still retain a copy of
> > dear old "SPLICE" running on my beloved VAX/VMS box if I have to mix
> > analog and digital junk...
>
> I have downloaded it. Takes ages to compile - pity there are no
> binaries like Kicad - and gave it a try. GUI interface is fine.
> However it seems very picky about the format of component values. You
> can't put in 100R or 100K for example for resistor values. For 100K
> you have to put 100 kOhm (it chokes on Ohms or ohms) or write 10.
> Rather counter intuitive IMHO. It is silly details like this that out
> people off. After all there are pretty standard ways of expressing
> component values and to not follow those conventions seems silly.
>
> Ian

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Re: [kicad-users] some help needed

[Dan Andersson]

Hehe Ian...

My answer was very much coloured by the initial question - whats out there for 
Linux... To run in companionship with the Linux KiCad and on Linux.

Wine?

I run the Texas Instrument package "Tina" with Wine myself so I know the pro's 
and cons with Wine.

I would not recommend to rely on any Windows software running under Wine, 
simply because of the unpredictable way some Windows executables use DLL's 
etc. Tina runs mostly fine and I'm sure Switchcad will do so as well. Some 
programs refuse to install under Wine while other unceremonially goes tits up 
when stumplin on an "oops".
Also, choosing commercial softwares for homebrewer purpose running WindowsXX, 
tend to end up with more or less restricted licensing agreements or even 
functionality.

So far, I have not ran into a brick wall in QUCS except for the total 
stonewalling if I need mixed mode simulations. I still retain a copy of dear 
old "SPLICE" running on my beloved VAX/VMS box if I have to mix analog and 
digital junk...

I'm reasonably well acquainted with these packages after I ported the Chipmunk 
tools to FreeBSD ( 1995 ? ). I also had to pick a fight with the first C 
versions of Spice3 during the mid/end 1980's when I tried to compile the lot 
with Lattice C and in Dos4 or Dos5 ( I think .. ). I resorted back to Spice 
2G6 and my Vax 11/750 running F77...

Regarding harmonics...  This is a thing we ought to highlight more frequently 
to design away a lot of problems with high frequency designs.  It's all right 
to do LF designs and "low frequency" digital designs but many peeps are 
toying with 1GHz+ and tend to forget to treat the designs as RF designs... 
Surprise surprise.

Oregano.

Yes, looks like Oregano died. I do recommend a look on the GEDA development as 
there are some tools for integrating Spice with schematic capture.

There was also an earlier attempt - "SpiceCad" but the development stopped 
many years ago now and the only surviving binary seems to be in ELF format. 


//Dan


On Wednesday 10 January 2007 20:18, Ian bell wrote:
> Dan Andersson wrote:
> > Ian,
> >
> > I looked at the switchercadIII file but?!  It's a weird file format - a
> > file ending with "EXE"?
>
> It's a windows native but it runs fine under wine
>
> > QUCS is a full non-nuted software with Linux and Wintendo support.
> >
> > Look at the transmission line support in QUCS, nice!
>
> Not of interest to me.
>
> > The QUCS package is an Open source Package. If you NEEED an extra
> > function, you are welcome to make the necessary additions...  Try that
> > with a proprietary packagelike switchercad...
>
> Please don't lecture me on the merits of open source. I have run linux
> for ten years and I started this group. Please don't assume that
> everyone is a consumate programmer who can hack code with ease. The
> creator of switcherCAD is a very nice appoachable man who listens to
> what users want and very quickly implements it.
>
> > Besides, QUCS contains probably 99% of what you peeps wil need for ham
> > purposes.
>
> So does Oregano and loads of other spice based FOSS programs with
> GUIs. What makes QUCS so special?
>
> Ian

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Re: [kicad-users] some help needed

[Dan Andersson]

Ian,

I looked at the switchercadIII file but?!  It's a weird file format - a file 
ending with "EXE"?

QUCS is a full non-nuted software with Linux and Wintendo support.

Look at the transmission line support in QUCS, nice!

The QUCS package is an Open source Package. If you NEEED an extra function, 
you are welcome to make the necessary additions...  Try that with a 
proprietary packagelike switchercad...

Besides, QUCS contains probably 99% of what you peeps wil need for ham 
purposes.

//Dan


On Wednesday 10 January 2007 19:08, Ian bell wrote:
> Chris Bartram wrote:
> > I agree wholeheartedly with Dan about QUCS. It was one of my great
> > software discoveries of last year, and has proven _at least_ the equal of
> > Spice for general analogue design.
>
> Looking at the QUCS site it seems rather basic and incomplete. Have
> you tried switcherCAD?
>
> Ian

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Re: [kicad-users] some help needed

[Dan Andersson]

Hiya,

First, skip Spice, use QUCS instead as you have a better GUI. You also have 
much (!) more support when defining simulations and plots.

Linux? Yes, available in Wintendo as well as Linux.


Why are you compiling KiCad?  You seriously don't need recompiling KiCad 
unless you have an exotic Linux version.

Download the latest tgz kit ( or zip by all means... ) and follow the Linux 
instructions.

I run the ready compiled version a very up to date SuSE 10.2 with all the 
latest bells and whistles... It "just works" out of the box.

//Dan 


On Wednesday 10 January 2007 13:59, drugsinner wrote:
> hi folks,
> i am using kikad from about 2 monts and i find it very good amd modern
> designed
> i use
> Build Version:
> KiCad (2006-06-26) - Unicode version
> and i found some bugs
> auxulary axis works for drill file but not for gerber files
>
> now i am a Linux user and i will try to compile the newest version
> soon as possible.
> will this fix the problem ?
> and is there an manual on kicad (i mean complete manual like the help
> files)
> and did someone tryed kicad whit Spice simulator???
> sorry for the stupid questions but still a newbie
> ;)

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Re: [kicad-users] Re: converter from Target 3001 to kicad

[Dan Andersson]

On Thursday 28 December 2006 20:32, fluidum82 wrote:
> Tharon, how do I convert T3001 files to kicad ?

A probable way would be to go from Target3001 > Proteus Netlist > KiCad

The Proteus Netlist is an intermediate format from Target and reasonably open.
It should be possible to make a KiCad database out of that - maybe...


//Dan

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