KR> taking a break

[Ron Smith]

Not giving up, and I'm not mad at anybody. Just don't ahve the time to go 
throught these emails as I am trying to finish collge. Keep building. 
Ron Smith
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KR> Gold prop hub for sale

[Ron Smith]

W.W.  gold prop hub never installed, first $450 takes it.
 

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KR> I broke 250

[Ron Smith]

I thought you meant 250 knot's!

Ron Smith

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--- On Fri, 6/5/09, Mark Jones <flyk...@charter.net> wrote:

From: Mark Jones <flyk...@charter.net>
Subject: KR> I broke 250
To: "KR Net" <kr...@mylist.net>, "Corvair Net" <corvaircr...@mylist.net>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 8:38 PM

Last evenings flight was a small milestone for me. I broke 250 flight hours on 
N886MJ. To be exact, I now have 250.4 hours with 296 successful landings. I do 
remember one of those landings as not being a lot of fun and resulted in the 
fatality of one of natures antlered four legged friends. There have been a lot 
of other incidents such as a broken crankshaft (made a safe emergency landing 
on airport), a failed cam gear (made a five mile glide back to the airport for 
yet another safe emergency landing), a dropped intake valve seat (13 miles 
safely to Metropolis airport), there was the time I left the KR Gathering in 
2006 and my engine quit at 1200 feet (switched to my secondary ignition and 
flew half way home to a fuel stop. It was a broken ground wire on the primary 
coil.), Oh yea, there was the time I was buzzing my brother in laws house and 
my fuel pump quit at 1000' and I made it back to the airport 11 miles away. 
What about when I first started
 flying my plane and I overheated the front two cylinders and broke the rings. 
Flew that way for 7 hours before Langford made me take the heads off because I 
had 7 lbs compression in one cylinder and 14 in the other. One time I took off 
with my belly board down and got about 500 feet and she basically would not 
climb. I could see the farmers daughters playing in the haystack as I barely 
cleared the silos. There was a high speed pass I made for my friends here in 
Wisconsin where I leveled out at 50 feet doing 190 mph and about a third of the 
way down the runway she started sputtering. I immediately pulled up to gain 
altitude as I thought my engine was going to quit. Forgot to richen the mixture 
on that one. Then there was the time I had a fog bank close in on me and I 
thought I was going to die. That was one for the stupidity log book. I know 
there are other incidents and Bob Glidden tells me I should write a book on how 
not to fly a Corvair powered KR.
 So why am I telling all thisbecause  I did not let any of this discourage 
me and I now have a wonderful flying plane. Keep building and you too can have 
all the fun I am having.   


Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI
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KR> WW Gold prop hub

[Ron Smith]

I'm selling my never installed or used WW gold prop hub. First 499.99 takes it. 
579 new from William. 
 

Ron Smith
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KR> Bending main spars

[Ron Smith]

The problem I see is that you would get some bend back. You need to have the 
degree of dihedral rather presice. When you bend 1/4 inch strips, and glue them 
together, you get very little, if any, spring back. Check out how I built my 
spars on the link below. Darren Cromptom also did some great work in also 
encorporating an additional bend in the rear spar to create a linear trailing 
edge.

Ron Smith
KR2SSXL
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--- On Thu, 4/2/09, Mark <markweg...@charter.net> wrote:

From: Mark <markweg...@charter.net>
Subject: KR> Bending main spars
To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 6:34 PM

Hi netters;

I purchased an older KR2 project last October that is in the boat stage with
some completed spars. I recently unwrapped the spars and found that the
front center spar wood is there, but they were never assembled/built. Back
when I started investigating and learning about KR's (about 2 years ago),
and after reading Raymer on design I thought that putting the dihedral in
the main (center) spars would be best. 

I thought about 3 - 3 1/2 degrees would be a good number to shoot for. My
plan for accomplishing this is to take a piece of 3/4" plywood and set
some
pins (3/4 bolts) in the appropriate locations on the plywood to
"fixture"
the main spars top and bottom spruce in the proper configuration and then
put the spars top and bottom components in a really hot shower and let them
"steam" until the hot water ran out and then clamp them to the
fixture
(using the same bolts for both top and bottom so they would match).

I will be configuring the wings to meet the AS504x configuration by
laminating the already built spars with thin strips of spruce top and bottom
to the proper depth.

Do you guys think this would work? Remember, I am building "Pretty
Girl" in
my living room.

Thanks for your input.

Regards,

Mark W
N952MW


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KR> politics

[Ron Smith]

It is amazing to me that grown men cannot comprehend this simple concept. I 
have deeply held religious and political beliefs. You guys will never hear them 
on this list. Why is it that people cannot compartmentalize these things? Why 
does Mark have to waste his precious time dealing with this crap?

Ron Smith

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--- On Sun, 3/1/09, Mark Langford <n5...@hiwaay.net> wrote:
From: Mark Langford <n5...@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: KR> politics
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 12:45 AM

This might be a good time to remind folks about the rules of the list, 
especially the one about avoiding posts regarding with politics, 
nationalism, or religion.  

KR> last few flights...

[Ron Smith]

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Mark Langford <n5...@hiwaay.net> wrote:
I'm headed to Andover England Tuesday morning, and will be looking
for British builders/flyers to entertain me while I'm there.

When did you install long range tanks on your plane?

Ron Smith
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KR> Anyone in Tucson AZ that can offer a check it out ride on Saturday?

[Ron Smith]

Ron Smith

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I don't know if he is willing, or if he is setup for passengers but Lee Van 
Dyke is hangered at Chandler. 
He has a refurbished Kr2. He flew out to Buckeye to show me his plane once. 
Very nice fellow. Kr2s is the way to go for cruise speed, and budget savings.
They do take a lot of work, and determination to build, and finish. Luckily you 
have a great resource in the Krnet. You will have more fun than building your 
own plane, than you can imagine.
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KR> epoxy / resin

[Ron Smith]

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Also, T88 sets up faster when you heat it. Don't dilly dally.


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KR> Screws in spars

[Ron Smith]

I saw that too. I would not have done that, but I'm sure there are plenty of 
things I have done that would put a question mark over peoples heads. I would 
be interested to hear from Darren what he plans to do about those screw holes. 
I had to "fix" two wing attach fitting holes I screwed up. I doweled them with 
t88 and I'm not going to worry about it.

Ron Smith

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--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Wayne & Kathy Tokarz <wktok...@telusplanet.net> wrote:
From: Wayne & Kathy Tokarz <wktok...@telusplanet.net>
Subject: KR> Screws in spars
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 5:13 PM

I just saw on Darren Compton's site that he appeared to actually
"screw" 2 X
4s to the spars. Would this not be damaging to the spars? Weaken them or set
up a stress riser?



Wayne and Kathy Tokarz

Corsair Enterprises Ltd.

Cold Lake,  Alberta,

780-812-8163

780-639-3023



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KR> KR Value!

[Ron Smith]

The AOPA has some good plans.

 Hey Josh, how about some more pics of your plane? Maybe some flying ones?

Ron Smith

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--- On Thu, 11/20/08, jcho...@ksu.edu <jcho...@ksu.edu> wrote:
From: jcho...@ksu.edu <jcho...@ksu.edu>
Subject: KR> KR Value!
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 9:50 PM

Hey guys,

I would like to thank everyone that replied to my value question for
your responses, they were very helpful(and gave me a leg to stand on).
I had my meeting with the tax people yesterday and found out several
things. They did the math wrong in the first place, so I only owed them
$823 for the $15000 value they had me at. I asked where they came up
with that number, and they showed me a printoff from barnstormers of an
airplane that wasn't even a KR! Anyhow, I talked them into lowering my
value down to $3500, which means I only have to pay $192 in taxes a
year! One more question for everyone, where is the best place to get
reasonable insurance for my KR? Thanks again for all your help.

Sincerely,

Josh Choitz


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KR> Corvair Movement

[Ron Smith]

Mark wrote:

Therefore, I'm back.




Well that makes me feel better. I could see how you would be discouraged. I am 
certain though, that this engine will win out in the long run. Thank you Mark, 
for being a forerunnner with the Corvair. Your setbacks have helped people like 
me. I look forward to see what the cause of this failure might be. I am putting 
together my engine right now. I have the pistons and cylinders done, and will 
finish my heads this week.
Ron Smith

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KR> Your Thoughts on my Thoughts

[Ron Smith]

Ron Smith

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Gary wrote:

That covers the front spar, the rear one is going to be a little more work. 
I will require a dihedral

bend and one that sweeps it forward. My thought is to put the dihedral bend 
inside and make the

bend forward just as it leaves the fuselage. Again top and bottom at the 
same time in the same jig

one on top of the other.

Ron Smith wrote:

I don't know what you are talking about here. The rear spar is NOT swept 
forward in the center section. It sweeps forward in the outboard section.

Best regards,
Smitty

KR> Your Thoughts on my Thoughts

[Ron Smith]

--- On Mon, 10/27/08, GARY ROBISON <djgaryl...@verizon.net> wrote:
From: GARY ROBISON <djgaryl...@verizon.net>
Subject: KR> Your Thoughts on my Thoughts
To: "KR_NET" <kr...@mylist.net>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:49 PM

Hello all,

I have had my plans for a few weeks now and I am chewing on some ideas

that need to be addressed before I get started with the 88.

I really like the idea Mike suggested on his comment page.

Mikes thought was to incorporate the dihedral bend for the spars
"inside" 
the fuselage.

Find it here: http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kopinion.html#bent

My thoughts are to do exactly that only not cut the caps into quarter inch 
strips, but to steam

and bend them with a jig holding the proper angle until set. Do them both at 
the same time,

sitting on top of each other, they would be exact complements. Once the 
vertical spreaders

and shear ply was glued on it should be as strong as the strait spar ever 
was.

That covers the front spar, the rear one is going to be a little more work. 
I will require a dihedral

bend and one that sweeps it forward. My thought is to put the dihedral bend 
inside and make the

bend forward just as it leaves the fuselage. Again top and bottom at the 
same time in the same jig

one on top of the other.

Talking to a few wood workers they seem to think the small angles would be a 
easy to do.

They suggested I practice on some clear tighter grain pine to get a feel for 
the small spring back that will occur.

Why?

For very little extra work I will be able to extend the flap area / sand and 
cover

the wing as one unit / it will look super!!!

Ron Smith wrote:

There is no reason to make the bend "inside" the fuse. If you do that, you will 
have a difficult task of aligning the front and rear spar. 
Also they will not be resting on the longerons, and that would be not as 
structurally sound, at least in my mind (I'm not a structural engineer).
Think about what you are doing before you do it. The front, and the rear spars 
MUST have the same bends.
I think that Mark (and I agree he is a smart guy) agreed with me, that the bend 
should be on the outside of the fuse.
That way the straight section of the bottom of the spars rest on the longerons, 
and they will then be naturally aligned. Putting the bend on the inside makes 
for some weird calculations as to where,
and how much to bend to get the 5 inch dihedral. Remember the plans call for 5 
inches of dihedral at the end of the outboard spar. How are you going to get 
that right with the bend on the inside?
I guess you could figure that out, but that task would make my brain hurt for 
sure. (not a difficult thing to do)
The bend section at the top of the spar also presents itself for a beautiful, 
and necessary fillet.
I also made the fuse bend up to meet the rear spar which makes the shape perty 
darn cool.

That is the way I did mine.

BTW there is no need to "steam" the spar cap material. 1/4 inch bends real easy.

See my spars on the list.

Good luck,
Smitty

KR> Corvair engine build

[Ron Smith]

I was wondering how many Kr's are flying with Subaru's?


Ron Smith

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--- On Sat, 10/25/08, Ron Vogt <rv93...@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Ron Vogt <rv93...@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: KR> Corvair engine build
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 4:47 PM

Yo John;
 Forget about that 60 year-old Corvair.  I have a low time (55hrs) Subaru
EJ-22 with PSRU for sale...already set up and wired.  (I am disassembling my
KR-2S and selling off the components for liability reasons).  This is a modern
engine and in my opinion far superior to the old Corvair engine.  And I am only
asking $3,500 for the engine, PSRU and wiring harness.

KR> Wing Skin Reinfrocement

[Ron Smith]

Sounds like more weight, and more work, for very little benefit. CF layups 
would be plenty strong. I built my elevator with CF, and it can chop wood.

Ron Smith

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--- On Fri, 10/17/08, Martek Mississippi <rep...@martekmississippi.com> wrote:
From: Martek Mississippi <rep...@martekmississippi.com>
Subject: KR> Wing Skin Reinfrocement
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 12:08 PM

I have noticed on the KR2 I just purchased that the wings are not as 
stout as I would like. When I moved the wings to the storage area I could 
hear the foam under the fiberglass cracking with moderate handling, which I 
don't care for at all.
Mark L's decision to layer the wings using a fiberglass-foam-carbon 
fiber sandwich is the common sense solution, but in order to insure that my 
new wings will handle the rigors of being taken on and off regularly , I am 
considering an additional step.
In this step, prior to laying up the outer layer of CF, I will put a 
crosshatch of 3/4" wide Vee grooves in the outer layer of foam, and then 
fill those grooves with a layer of CF, which would form a grid of 
reinforcing angles UNDER the outer skin when that is applied. It seems like 
a reasonable extra bit of work to do for some extra peace of mind.
I'm also going to add four 1/4 inch threaded inserts into the top of
the 
spars (2 front , 2 rear).That allows me to  put Eyebolts into the wings 
during ground operations and lift them using a boom, thus being able to 
load, unload and attach the wings by myself without putting stress on the 
skins.
How do those idea sound to my fellow netters, particularly you Mark L?

Glenn Martin
N1333A,
Biloxi, MS

KR> Fuselage width

[Ron Smith]

Darren Crompton <kr.2s.dar...@gmail.com> wrote: I am at the stage of bending my 
fuselage and will be giving it a 40"
internal width at the shoulders.  Is the general consensus to leave the
bottom of the fuselage the stock width and bend out the top longerons, or to
bend both top and bottom out to the 40" and thus have perfectly vertical
sides?  I see it done both ways.

Cheers
-- 
Darren Crompton
AUSTRALIA


You might consider making them the same width, and make it easier on yourself.



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KR> Joining the sides

[Ron Smith]

Nick Brennan  wrote: Hey gang,

I'm having some difficulty joining the sides of the fuselage together.  I 
originally wanted to go a few inches wider, but could barely get the fuse to 
bend to begin with, so I'm back to plan width (sucks, but it'll have to do).

Now, when I bend, it bananas (as expected, but in doing so, it pulls out of the 
bottom (top really) jig assembly before I can bend the top (bottom really) 
together enough to put the crossmembers in place.

If I make the guide blocks taller, it would solve the problem, but create an 
irregular shaped bend.  Suggestions?

make the sides 90 degrees verticle
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KR> Joining the sides

[Ron Smith]

Nick Brennan <nickdbren...@comcast.net> wrote: Hey gang,

I'm having some difficulty joining the sides of the fuselage together.  I 
originally wanted to go a few inches wider, but could barely get the fuse to 
bend to begin with, so I'm back to plan width (sucks, but it'll have to do).

Now, when I bend, it bananas (as expected, but in doing so, it pulls out of the 
bottom (top really) jig assembly before I can bend the top (bottom really) 
together enough to put the crossmembers in place.

If I make the guide blocks taller, it would solve the problem, but create an 
irregular shaped bend.  Suggestions?

Forgot to say, if you don't widen it you will probably regret it.
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KR> Figuring out the laminated bent spar.

[Ron Smith]

Darren Crompton <kr.2s.dar...@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for everyone's input on 
my previous post "Spruce vs Douglas Fir".  I
have decided to build with Australian hoop pine.

That decision made, I have been taking a closer look at the plans regarding
the timber I need to order.  I will be using the laminated bent spar and as
described in Mark Langford's site regarding its use
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kopinion.html , I like the idea of
extending the flaps beyond the stub wing.  If I am to taper the the spars
from root to tip in a straight line, also doing away with the duplicate wing
root template on the end of the stub wing, do I have to bend the laminated
rear spar forward at the root so the two meet at the tip 15" apart as per
the plans?  If so, how do I bend the 1/4" x 2" laminations about the 2"
width?

Cheers
Darren Crompton
AUSTRALIA
The spar center sections must be the same length. My spars were bent so that 
the stubs bend up AFTER the outside fuselage wall. The rear spar must have the 
same bottom length center section. Mine was flat for 44 inches, main and rear. 
See my pics on my site.


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KR> location of controls on main spar

[Ron Smith]

Pete Klapp <pke...@hotmail.com> wrote:  Netters
Has anyone tried mounting their control stick on the forward side of the 
main spar? I plan on building fuel tanks in the stub wings as Mark Lnagford 
did. I'd like to avoid giving up space for aileron push-pull tubes and 
bellcrank that could be used to build larger tanks.

Any thoughts would be helpful

Pete Klapp, KR-2S
Canton, Ohio

The stub tank can be constructed so as to leave room for the cables. See 
Edwardo Barios highly modified KR2S on the net. That's the way I'm going to do 
it.

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KR> Controls

[Ron Smith]

Colin Rainey <brokerpi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:Pete wrote:" Has anyone 
tried mounting their control stick on the forward
side of the main spar?"

If I were installing my own controls, all of them would be pushtube type,
save the rudder. The easiest thing to do for the ailerons is to install a
bellcrank on the rear of the main spar, to transfer motion from the stick to
rear spar where a second bellcrank would send the motion out to the aileron
bellcrank, which by plans has the synchronizing cable installed and running
from wing to wing. This is replaced by the pushtube running from wing to
wing, with the adjusting parts of the tubes behind the rear spar. This would
eliminate the need for the front cables and associated pullies altogether,
making your entire stub wing available for fuel. One of the netters had some
really good pictures of the installation I am referring to, so it has been
done once or twice at least. I would convert mine except I am still in the
engine swap mode. I may still later...

Colin Rainey
brokerpi...@bellsouth.net

  That's exactly what I'm doing.


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KR> Sun N Fun

[Ron Smith]

Mark Langford  wrote: The 3100cc "Big Boy" Corvair is up and 
running! 
Finished it up on Saturday, installed it Sunday afternoon, and I'd have 
flown it before sunset if the windsock hadn't been sticking straight out and 
been trying to unscrew itself from the ground.  But I did get about 10 high 
speed taxi runs in.  There were no giant puddles of oil anywhere, it idled 
smoothly, would do 2950 rpm static, and it's full and ready to fly on 
Wednesday when I get back from Minnesota.

#

I can hardly wait for the #'s. : )



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KR> Fuselage spar slots

[Ron Smith]

Russ Kendall <rkend...@bendbroadband.com> wrote:Hi everyone. I've got a 
question on the spar slots in the fuselage. 

How close a fit should they be to the spar? If it's a tight fit then changing 
the incidence changes the angle of the spars to each other. If it's a looser 
fit then the wing can be tipped forward without changing the angle of the spars 
to each other. It seems to me one would want enough play between the slot in 
the fuselage and the spars to enable tilting the wing to set the incidence? 

Russ Kendall
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  You don't want any play there. If you built the sides at a 90 degree to the 
longeron, there will be no adjusting necessary. The only adjusting might be in 
raising or lowering the rear spar.


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KR> Waiting for the plans...

[Ron Smith]

Nick Brennan <nickdbren...@comcast.net> wrote:Since it is going to take a 
while for the plans to come in (they still 
haven't cashed my check yet, its been a week...) I wanted to see about 
possibly getting the stuff I need so I can start right away, so I have some 
questions for y'all that have already begun/finished.

I will be widening the fuselage to 40", but I want to make this as easy as 
possible by using the kit parts as much as I can. I see the group 1 stuff is 
made up of
1) Spruce Kit
2) Plywood Kit
3) Wing attach fittings
4) T-88 Structural adhesive

I know I'm going to need the T-88 and the wing attach fittings should remain 
unchanged, but can I order the spruce and plywood kits, or is that something 
I'll need to build myself since I am widening the cabin?



  You might want to look at Mark Langfords tail section first. The spars for 
his "new" Horizontal and Vertical stabalizers are longer. You also might want 
to order the outside wing spars in the length needed to build those outer spars 
to the length specified in the plans, so you don't have those foam extentions.


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KR> Canopy frame

[Ron Smith]

Chris Johnston  wrote:> Just remember that radio 
waves do not travel through carbon fiber. 
Regular cloth works very well for that purpose and costs 5 times less and 
you only have to use one layer

I don/t think the canopy frame would provide enough area to mask to any 
great significane any RF, if it were a wing panel or whole tail section then 
I would assume that would be large enough to present problems. The materials 
engineers at work tell me that the great advantage of cf is its light 
weight, I always was of the opinion its primary advantage structurally was a 
very good youngs modulus, ie its siffness, my theory being that two layers 
of cf at half the weight of the regular stuff would give a stiffer canopy 
frame than the usual glass. Just a thought though.




Chris Johnston
> 
> North Richmond
> 
> NSW Australia



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Subject: Re: KR> Canopy frame


> Just remember that radio waves do not travel through carbon fiber. 
> Regular cloth works very well for that purpose and costs 5 times less and 
> you only have to use one layer.
>
> From: "Chris Johnston" 
> Date: 2007/01/25 Thu PM 03:36:29 CST
> To: "KRnet" 
> Subject: KR> Canopy frame
>
> I need to make a canopy frame, what I am intending to do is mount the 
> canopy, make a frame from foam and fit while the canopy is in place, and 
> glass over with carbon fibre cloth. Bi directional Carbon cloth is about 
> $60 -$70 per metre, so I was going to use some unidirectional cloth for 
> about $12 per metre and alternate the weave at 90 degrees to each other, 
> Any problems or flaws in using the cloth in this way? any better methods?
>
>

  People that say this crack me up! Do radio waves go through aluminum?


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KR> question about glassing

[Ron Smith]

randy white <zakk_1998...@msn.com> wrote: oops!!! well now i guess i will do 
another layer and use the peelply on that 
one!!! ita already hard!!! will that work?


You have to sand it first before you put on a new layer.


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KR> Dr Dean Hinges

[Ron Smith]

Peter Drake <peterdr...@kingslandstabling.com> wrote: A question for Mark 
Langford:  The Dr Dean hinges you have used look like a really neat solution. 
However I have one query. How do you lock the bolt holding the MW3 Rod end in 
position?
All the others have self locking nuts, but there is no nut to lock here.

Peter Drake
Hereford UK
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I just epoxied the bolt and made a little cavity in the foam and filled that 
with epoxy. For that bolt to turn it would have to break the epoxy bond from 
bolt to the spar and then turn that chunk of epoxy through  the elevator 
fiberglass skin.



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KR> Corvair engine block

[Ron Smith]

wilder_jeff Wilder <wilder_j...@msn.com> wrote: 
Can someone tell me what corvair engine block I should be looking for?


-Jeff
Best thing to do is get William Wynns book for 55 bucks. You're going to need 
it anyway. 


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KR> comment

[Ron Smith]

airb...@comcast.net wrote:After reading, and also hearing about the kr2 and 
all if it's problems..from engine..to landing gear ...fuel system..etc
I am surprised that after all of the years that have past, the kr2 still hasn't 
yet been refined , as to have one being built with all of it's problems being 
resolved, from past builders and also flyers as well.
It seems to me that something is always going wrong when changes are made.

New builders should take the time to actualy read the plus side and the 
negative side of the kr2 before building one. 90 % of builders have not built 
one according to plans, without making some sort of modification to the kr2, 
maybe thats why they are having so much trouble later in the final phases when 
it comes to flying. ( want speed ? keep it simple and light )
Maybe you should stick with the original design that has been proven for many 
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KR> Flight report

[Ron Smith]

Hi Mark,

Glad to see you are back in the air.

I would love to hear about the numbers you are getting now with the rebuilt 
engine. I know you had problems with the baffling, and when you first flew you 
were a little slower than expectations.  I'm  wondering with the Corvair what 
the  cruise difference is with regards the trigear.

Mark Langford and Bill Clapp seem to have about the same cruise with the 
Corvair taildraggers. Since you have the trigear I was wondering how your 
cruise numbers stack up now that you seem to have some of the bugs worked out.

The reason is that pretty soon I will have to make a decision on which way to 
go, either Tri, or tail.

I really love the look of your plane, and am still leaning toward trigear, I'd 
just like to know what some real world numbers are.

Have you flow a tail dragger KR? If so how did it compare to your plane?

I have about 85 hours now, none in taildraggers.


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KR> Ballistic Chute on a KR2?

[Ron Smith]

countryhomeprint <countryhomepr...@bellsouth.net> wrote: Ron
A flutter was set-up in the wings, the right wing broke in half, the spar 
broke at the fuselage. As the wings left the fuselage the BFR fired (not by 
the pilot). All of this happened in a fraction of a second. As the pilot did 
not initiate the firing I would call this accidental or unintential.

Bill Page

Hi Bill, Not to argue,but the wings coming off the plane is what nearly killed 
him, not the BRS. I have heard of BRS chutes deploying after structural 
failure, but one can hardly describe that as an accidental deployment.


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KR> Setback

[Ron Smith]

I need to rebuild my main spar. The worst part is that it is already installed 
and must be cut out. I had it in storage for awhile and a couple of weeks ago I 
noticed that my laminations have separated.

As some of you may know, my spar were constructed in the "bent" fashion.

I had laminated the spar stock and then cut it into 1/4 pieces. This left me 
with basically a butt joint. I didn't think it was going to be a problem, 
because those pieces were going to be sandwiched between nonbuttjoined pieces. 
To my shock and dismay, they checked big time. I still don't see why it 
occurred, but I do know I have to rebuild. This time I'm just going to use full 
full pieces and the problem will be solved. It will cost me about 300 bucks I 
guess.

Also I have to make a new tail post. Somehow the darn thing got off plumb 
almost a 1/4 of an inch. Actually I used a laser to align it, and then awhile 
later I checked it with a plumb bob and discovered I must have done something 
wrong. So I have some rebuilding to do.

Well, I'm pretty much settled in here in Phoenix now, Tomorrow I will 
straighten out the new work shop (airplane factory), and get started.

Merry Christmas to all my Kr buddies and families,
fly safe,


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KR> Extending the Firewall or engine mount to adjust balance

[Ron Smith]

Mark Jones <mjo...@muellersales.com> wrote: Hello Brad and welcome,
I have a KR-2S and extended my forward area by adding one inch to each
bay forward of the main spar. 

Hello Mark,

So that is a total of 3 extra inches forward of the main spar? Did you use the 
WW mount? The reason I ask, is that I plan to use the Corvair also (with 
Williams mount), and have two extra bays (24") in the tail section. I'm 
thinking I may have to lengthen the Motor mount.





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KR> Mag Compass

[Ron Smith]

Colin Rainey <brokerpi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
One is the lack of instrument training, which the new PTS requires (the old
thinking was that more IFR/hood training encouraged inadvertent IMC flight);


Colin Rainey
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My hood training taught me one 
thing.dont ever get caught in IMC!!!

I now understand how things can go wrongreal fast!



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KR> Gift to the group

[Ron Smith]

Larry Flesner <fles...@verizon.net> wrote: 

It's a bit early but as we poets are throwing out our
rhymes with reason, I'll re-post the "Night before
Christmas" poem I threw out on Dec.24, 2004.

Enjoy
++
Christmas Eve at the Airport

On the eve before Christmas all KR's in the land
Are snug in their hangars with birds called "spam-cans".
The spam-cans all chuckle as they set in their stall
To see a winged creature with proportions so small

But the KR's don't mind for they've heard it before
And they've outlived the rumors, the legends, and lore
It's been said they fly tricky like walking on ice
But the pilots that fly them say they're really quite nice.

They're as swift as a swallow as it chases a bug
Climbing and diving while the spam-can's a slug
When it flies by low level you'd better not blink
For it's there, then it's gone, in one half of a wink

They may be small but their size is just right
For stuffing your stocking if you're good till tonight
Then you add some epoxy, get the wings set up right
And in no time at all, you're ready for flight

So don't fret or worry if you wake up in fear
And think you hear Santa , his sleigh, and reindeer
The buzzing, the swoosh, and the Y HAA's you hear
Are KR pilots saying "it's been a GREAT YEAR !"

Wishing a happy holiday season to all……..

Larry Flesner


 Very nice Larry, that one is a keeper. Merry Christmas to you!



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KR> Pilot's Licence

[Ron Smith]

Be it know to all that on 9/29/06, Ron Smith became a Private Pilot.

It is the fulfillment of a dream I have had since I was a young boy.

It only took me 48 years to get there. I'm on cloud 9 literally.


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KR> $100.00 Burger in AZ

[Ron Smith]

Lee Van Dyke <l...@vandyke5.com> wrote:Is there anybody else in AZ that I 
can fly and VISIT

Lee Van Dyke
Mesa AZ 85212
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  I'll be there on Wed morning to do a little solo practice flight in a 172 
spam can. My Fight instructor would love to see that KR.

  That's BXK  ;)


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KR> Be it known to all

[Ron Smith]

On this day 7/18/2006, Ron Smith, did fly solo in a Cessna 172 SP, tail # 
N239SP, at Buckeye Municipal Airport.

After 4 squeekers in a row, Dave Evans, (my flight instructor) departed the 
plane, and there I wasall by myself!

I took off into the wild blue and did two touch-n-goes, and one full stop. 
Everything came off without a hitch. No damage to the plane or pilot.


I'm still on cloud nine!


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KR> Be it known to all

[Ron Smith]

James Ferris <mij...@juno.com> wrote: Everything came off without a hitch, How 
about your shirt tail?
jim 

Oh yeah! The t-shirt did not survive! Thanks for the laugh Jim!


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KR> Had to cancel C-175 purchase, lesson learned.

[Ron Smith]

I was ready to buy a Cessna 175 from a guy in Los Alamos N.M. At the insistance 
of my flight instructor (to whom I am greatly  indebted), I had a prebuy done. 
Although the gentleman thought his airplane was "fine", there were 4 bad 
cylinders, (in the 30's compression), static run up was only 2300, when it 
should have been 2900 to 3000. According to the A there was alot of metal 
found in the crank case. He said that he would not allow that plane to fly AT 
ALL.


Lesson learned. Always get an independent mechanic to look at any aircraft you 
are planning to purchase. No matter how straightforward the seller is!!!

The plan is now to get my ticket in the newer 172's at the school here in 
Buckeye AZ.

I did some crosswind landings with 12 knot winds this morning. I have 27 hours 
now, and about 105 landings.

I should have a hanger this month to start contruction back up on the KR.

Sorry to hear about John. I talked with him a couple of times by email. He 
lived not far from me when I was still in cali. Just a reminder to us all to 
remain vigilant.


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KR> Progress ??? Pheonix

[Ron Smith]

Hello KRnetters,

Ron Smith here.

I moved to Phoenix AR. about two weeks ago. I sold my house, and bought a new 
house here in Phoenix, (actually Buckeye) Arizona. My new house won't be ready 
til Oct 06. So I have an apartment here in Goodyear, AZ. My KR2SSXL is in 
storage till Oct, or til I get a hanger at Glendale airport. I'm buying a C175 
to finish my Private Pilot in. My goal is to be a PP buy Sept 06. Wish me luck. 
John Goodwin, or Matt Elder give me a call at 623-518-3755, or 714-231-9605.

I plan to finish my PP, sell the 175 and complete my Kr, with the proceeds. 

Lee Van Dyke, give me a call!!!



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KR> Diabetes

[Ron Smith]

Hey Knetters,

  I'm 48. About 5 years ago I discovered I had Diabetes type 2. This was after 
I had discontinued my flight training. I have 25 hours. I am going to start 
training again. Where will I stand with my medical? I don't take medication at 
all, and control my desease with diet and exercise.

  When I go in for my 3rd class med, what do I say on the application as far as 
the Diabetes is concerned? I am concerned that some yahoo Doctor will exclude 
me even though I have no real problems, now that I watch my diet.


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KR> Translation of laminating schedule from Eduardo's site

[Ron Smith]

Albert Pecoraro <apecor...@neo.rr.com> wrote:  David Swanson wrote:



“... can anyone tell me how many layers of fiberglass Eduardo used on his
fuselage?”



==



David,



Hi. I looked at Eduardo’s (amazing!) site and I “think” he is using 3 layers
of glass on the outside (not specified in the text) and 3 layers of glass on
the inside (specified in the text). Plus, he is adding an additional layer
when he inserts the spars (specified in the text).


If he is using 3 layers on the inside, he must being using 3 on the outside. If 
he is not, then he will have an asymetric load issue. In a fiberglass sandwich 
both sides need to be the same amount of layers, for the best load bearing 
structure.

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KR> Clamps for holding gussets

[Ron Smith]

Chris Johnston <chr...@ozdocs.net.au> wrote:I was only thinking about this 
the other day, someone said "be original" 
so I thought why not glue the gussets onto the cross members first, then 
when dry you only have one face to square up to fit the inside of the 
longeron instead of two gussets and a cross member. It would be much easier 
to get a flush fit of the gussets with the cross member instead of getting 
all those miniscule mismatches, the plans give the cross member widths 
accurately enough to do this, you could use a mass produced standard size 
gusset instead of individually fitting each one, the gussets may have to be 
slightly oversize to allow for fitting...BUT, I haven't tried it 
so it may not work.



Chris Johnston

  May not be a bad idea for the gussets on the verticles where they attach to 
the top longeron. I think that you will have to individually cut the rest of 
the gussets to get a 90 percent surface contact. Actually I got a lot of 
enjoyment getting those gussets as close as I could get them, "individually"!


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KR> KR-2 is my first homebuilt

[Ron Smith]

Kristofer Leirfallom <kleir...@aero.und.edu> wrote:  I just purchased, the 
KR-2, my first homebuilt. The sides are already 
built. The plans are not real clear on the length of the cross 
members, they show some but not all the lengths. Are the lengths real 
critical?


That is because the bottom longeron is bent around those vertical dimentions 
that are given. When you bend the bottom longeron around those given lengths 
the other lengths become apparent. What is critical is that both side are 
exactly the same.

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KR> Question on trailing edge

[Ron Smith]

 Hello Knetters,

  I have question on the trailing edge construction of my elevator.

  I have laid up one side, and am ready to sand the opposite side and lay it up.

  The plans show that you should sand out some foam along the trailing  edge, 
and add flox to make a strong edge. I understand the concept, as  I have been 
working with composites about a year now.

  My question is this:
  The plans seem to show that the bids are laid up together with the flox  on 
top. Is this correct? It seems as though the flox should go between  the layers 
to fill any voids.

  What is the correct method, or are both ok?

  I will be using a metal clamped to get a striaght edge.



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KR> Using waxed paper

[Ron Smith]

Mark Langford <n5...@hiwaay.net> wrote:Dan Heath wrote:

A layer of duct tape over the aluminum angles will release quickly, and
leave no residue that might affect painting later.

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net

  I use plastic sheeting from Home Depot for all my release film.



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KR> Engines

[Ron Smith]

Tim Haynes <t...@dodo.com.au> wrote:Hi Guys

I have had a good look at Marks Corvair Engine information. Other than cost 
what is the advantage of using the Corvair 2700 100 hp (realizing they can be 
developed to put out more power) over the Rotax 100 and 115hp which are a both 
much lighter engine. 62.6kg and 70kg respectively.

Regards,

Tim 
t...@dodo.com.au

  Hi Tim, 
  Remember that ADVERTIZED weights are sometimes decieving. If you want good 
information about the Corvair option go to William's site and read the whole 
thing. William is the kind of guy that gives you a blanced view of the product 
he is advocating. From what I've  read from him and what I've heard from others 
he is a man of integrity. Why is that important? Well because alot of people 
say alot of things to sell you something, and in the end the product is not all 
that it was hyped to be.
  Can you get 100 HP from a lighter engine? Yes. The bottom line is that it 
will cost you THOUSANDS of dollars more than the Corvair. If money is no object 
by all means get a certified engine.

  Bill Clapp has a top speed of 170, Mark L, is getting about the same. Joe 
Horton is posting some great numbers as well.

  The only thing that gives me pause is the reliability factor of the Corvair 
in the KR2 application.

  There have been some crank failures recently in KRs. William and others have 
been studying and testing to find out the reason for these failures, and from 
what I've read nitriding the cranks may be the the thing that brings a higher 
reliability factor to the engine. William has now reccomended not flying a 
corvair without nitriding.

  I figure that by the time I get to the Corvair stage of my project, there 
will be enough guinea pigs flying, that I will have enough data to make the 
engine decision final. As for now I'm still going with the Corvair.

  At TBO the Corvair is also a low cost rebuild compared to others.

  Hope this helps. I am not a engineer, machinest, mechanic, and have a low 
I.Q. :)

  Here is a link to Williams site http://www.flycorvair.com/index.html



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KR> aileron control horn

[Ron Smith]

airgu...@comcast.net wrote:Does anyone have a picture of the aileron 
control horn and its hookup. If so, you can send it to me off net at 
airgu...@comcast.net (don't want to creat a 500 person fuss on the net). I see 
all of the writeup and dimensions in the manual but can't seem to visualize it. 
Guess I need a fly-in so I can snoop.

Here's a link that might help.
  http://kr2s.r-farley.com/Construction/controls_aileron.html

  Nice anodizing. I'm going to do the same thing.



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KR> Engines, engines, engines, engines, engines, engines, engines, engines

[Ron Smith]

ifly...@aol.com wrote:Not so much of a big deal - just trying to help a guy 
out which is what the 
net is all about.


  Ron Smith writes,

  Boy! A guy that can build an airplane, and write prose as well!

  Nice post Bill. Looking forward to meeting you one day when my project and 
life circumstances permit.



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KR> Carbon Fibre

[Ron Smith]

Doug Rupert <drup...@sympatico.ca> wrote:  Tim first of all you must decide the 
overall mission of your
aircraft. Super fast, or what seems to be the norm with others on the list.
First be advised that CF blocks all radio, GPS signals. That said, if you
wish a clean exterior, low drag machine use carbon fiber sparingly. The
forward boat ahead of the wing as well as cowl, wheel fairings and pants
come to mind. If you're not that worried about total performance the go
ahead and use carbon fiber BUT you best have a wad of cash, this stuff isn't
cheap. Myself, I would use CF for the seat pan and especially the seat back
and bulkhead at the rear of the baggage shelf. Why? Exactly those properties
that make CF undesirable for internal radio antennas. Passive radiation from
said antenna are not exactly a boon to ones health. Want an example? Lay
your hand on the antenna and push the transmit button. Next day your hand
will look like a football it will be so swollen. (watch the flame wars start
over that statement)
Much has been written regarding the use of Kevlar and its'
difficulty to work with. However Kevlar's strength is not much lower than CF
while it has excellent properties such as vibration reduction, superior
strength, lower weight (than traditional e-glass) and excellent damage
resistance. For my own KR I went with the composite boat method of
construction. This does away with the outer plywood skin and replaces it
with foam between all the boat formers and sandwiched both sides with fabric
(be it glass, Kevlar or carbon fiber). The inner skin on mine will be of
Kevlar since the overall finish is hidden away. The outer covering is
S-Glass which is 30% stronger, 15 % stiffer and retains those properties up
to 1500 degrees. S-Glass is finished the same way as traditional E-Glass so
you can achieve a truly outstanding outer finish on the aircraft. Hope this
helps with the carbon fiber issue.
As to engines, well many have responded already but I don't know
what a Jabaru sells for in Australia so I don't feel comfortable commenting
on the issue other than the lighter weight of the Jab may necessitate using
a longer engine mount to keep the CG with range.
Doug Rupert
Simcoe Ontario

I was wondering how people who build aluminum airplanes ever communicate with 
anyone? :)


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KR> reducing drag

[Ron Smith]

ifly...@aol.com wrote:  Right now I am reducing drag on my plane by working on 
pants. 1. The wheel 
pants on the airplane will be cleaner and more streamline. 2. My pant size 
is on the way down due to long needed excersize and dieting. I hope to be 
down to 165 or 170 by the Gathering. I lost 8 lbs on me in the last three 
months and 8 lbs on the airplane when I changed the starter and alternator. I 
may 
gain a couple back with the turbo but we shall see.
Bill and N41768



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KR> Once Again....

[Ron Smith]

bob  wrote:
> It's Friday so I am bringing this up again since this must really
> be a hard task for some of you. At the end of every post you
> make, SIGN YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE. It is simply
> the courteous thing to do so others will know who you are and
> where you live.

And some of us aren't comfortable with the idea of having our full
names and location, along with every word we type in public,
archived for eternity. You may not be aware of it, but a Google 
search of one's past Internet activities is common practice among
employers and just about everyone else that thinks they have a good
reason to look into your past. Not to mention that psychotic
ex-girlfriend from high school 30 years ago, and her illegitimate kid
that thinks you're his dad. I don't put a lot of effort into hiding my
identity, but I sure as hell ain't going to make it easy for them either.

Bob

  Hey Bob, look outside the window...the black helicopoters are 
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KR> water in the fuel?

[Ron Smith]

Hey Mark,

  Did you have the crank checked out after the prop strike? 



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curry  wrote:  My non-stop questions have been getting plenty 
answers and I want to thank everyone for the input.

Curry
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  Hi curry,

  Iv'e been builing my KR or about 2 years now. The BEST way to get  answers to 
your question is the ARCHIVES. If you can't get them there  then try the net.

  Of course if you are building. TAKE PICUTURES. Post them to the net, It  is 
very helpful to actually see how others are doing things. Without  Mark 
Lankfords site, I don't think I would have started. I think that  if we are 
building we have an obligation to our community to contribute  our knowledge, 
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KR> Harbor freight digital dial calipers

[Ron Smith]

Harbor freight has them for 15.99

  Anyone used them?


  Costco has a nice wood case set of dial calipers(analog),a steel tape, and a 
micrometer, for 31.00, that might be better.

   Starting to make my fittings.

  I'm not a machinest so comments would be appreciated.


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KR> Harbor freight digital dial calipers

[Ron Smith]

Steve Glover <kr...@cox.net> wrote:I bought 2 sets. One for the hangar, one 
for the home shop. They work
great.

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca

  Thanks Steve,

  How's the sale of your plane going? I was happy for you that you sold it, 
while at the same time kinda bummed that you wouldn't have that pretty little 
bird at Chino for me to come look at now and then.

  Are you still keeping your hanger at Chino? I though I read you were looking 
for a new plane?





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KR> Harbor freight digital dial calipers

[Ron Smith]

Steve Glover  wrote:I have sold the plane, fortunately for 
me the new owner has not had a
chance to come get it. He's going to be in the Bay area this week so I
may fly up to Livermore to show him his new bird. From there I will head
on up north and visit a few friends back home. 

I have decided not to buy anything and just get my LongEZ back together.
I am hoping to have it going for the trip to the Gathering this year
with Rich Shirley. Once it is flying, I'll be starting on the new KR. I
actually have already been building parts for the gear, etc.

I am actually at Corona and plan on staying there unless it floods
again. I just moved to a larger hangar for my projects.

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca




Oh yeah my bad, Corona, duh!

  The army corps of Eng, made alot to the businesses leave that flood zone. The 
airport is ok I take it? I was thinking that i might like to rent a hanger when 
it cam time for it, at Corona.



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KR> Jailbird Here are the photos of the kr

[Ron Smith]

william walsh <ru4fly...@yahoo.com> wrote:Note: the glide angle at point of 
touch down. I think I can rebuild just will take time.


  ***

  Looks to me like that little plane can be rebuilt. She just needs a little 
more of the same love that you gave her when you built her. Was the aft deck 
cracked? 



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KR> a little flight testing

[Ron Smith]

Mark Langford <n5...@hiwaay.net> wrote:NetHeads,

I did a little testing yesterday (along with 3 hours of just flying around) and 
came up with a few tidbits of data that might be interesting, at 
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/tests/ . I still have a lot of testing to go, 
but thought I'd throw this little bit out there for now. For more on my plane's 
configuration, see http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/ .

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net

  Hey Mark,

  What does that .9 degree nose up attitude say with regard to the H.S. 
setting? Your plane and mine will be roughly similar. I don't want to make mine 
"adjustable". I 'm interested in the results that guys will be getting using 
the new airfoil with the 1 degree incidence, and who have stretched the the 
fuselage length.

  Do you have the formulas that aid in calculating what it should be so that I 
can plug in my numbers. I have a few design books but I cannot find anything on 
that.



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KR> fuselage length

[Ron Smith]

John Godwin  wrote:Thanks for the info Mark
I am definitely going with the corvair engine, with that in mind do you
think adding another bay aft of the rear spar is a good idea?
John Godwin

Hey John,

  I am 5' 8" with a 29" inseam. I built my plane with the standard KR2S 
dimensions up front and stretched the rear 22" by adding two more bays. I think 
it ended up being 13' 9" from firewall to tailpost.

  I have to tell you I was very disappointed after I made my composite seat 
that I am WAy short of the rudder peddles. I have to make my seat 
adjustable just so I can reach them.

  If you make the composite seat like I, and others have done (search the net) 
with the bottom of the seat near the floor, you will have NO problem with leg 
room.

  My plane will have 3 seat adjustments on both sides, and should accomodate a 
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"r5...@netzero.net" <r5...@netzero.net> wrote:I am wondering if there would 
be any advantage to widening the firewall? Im building a KR2S and will be 
widening the cabin 4 to 6 inches and will be using a Corvair for power. These 
seem to fit per plans, but im thinking that it would be easyier to bend the 
sides to make the boat. I would apriciate any help with this??? Thanks. Ron...


  Hi Ron,

  I incorporated the same width at the firewall that I have at the widest part 
of the fuselage, about 6 inches. You can always taper the cowling inward toward 
the center line. If you are to skinny at the fire wall, you may have a pinching 
there that will look "funny". I also advocate making the fuselage 90 degree 
construction. It makes alot of things easier. There will be a a little more 
drag, I'm sure, but the ease of construction outweighed that for me. See my 
project below, and also check out Dave Mullins project on the net.



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[Ron Smith]

"r5...@netzero.net" <r5...@netzero.net> wrote: I am wondering if there 
would be any advantage to widening the firewall? Im building a KR2S and will be 
widening the cabin 4 to 6 inches and will be using a Corvair for power. These 
seem to fit per plans, but im thinking that it would be easyier to bend the 
sides to make the boat. I would apriciate any help with this??? Thanks. Ron...


  Hi Ron,

  I incorporated the same width at the firewall that I have at the widest part 
of the fuselage, about 6 inches. You can always taper the cowling inward toward 
the center line. If you are to skinny at the fire wall, you may have a pinching 
there that will look "funny". I also advocate making the fuselage 90 degree 
construction. It makes alot of things easier. There will be a a little more 
drag, I'm sure, but the ease of construction outweighed that for me. See my 
project below, and also check out Dave Mullins project on the net.




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KR> Emergency landing

[Ron Smith]

"Joseph H. Horton" <joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com> wrote:Thanks to all that 
sent notes of support. The event was not as bad as it
my have sounded and I felt prepared for this one as having a windscreen
visibility problem is something that I had been through in my mind many
times. I check the engine over this morning and still could not find
where the oil came from. It was just over a quart low so I did not loose
as much as I had thought. William called tonight and gave me a very
strong possibility. The air oil separator tube that goes over board may
have froze up in the subfreezing temps and the crank case pressure forced
the oil out the dipstick tube. The tube that I have is bent forward and
ends at the forward edge of the right front cylinder which is the same
place as my oil cooler. I was also in a steep left turn that may have
helped the oil to the tube in the crank case. The other end of the story
is the over flow tube is a tygon tube and I know for sure that the tie
wrap holding it in place is making a partial restriction. I will check
into this all further.

Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

Hi Joe,

  Glad to hear you and your plane are ok. I was wondering if an air tight seal 
along the top and perhaps the sides of the cowling would have prevented, or 
reduced the amount of oil that came up on the canopy. I'm just thinking out 
loud. I don'tknow how you constructed your cowling.



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KR> Landing gear (mains)

[Ron Smith]

Has anyone ever made fiberglass mains for the Kr with a similar construction to 
the Grove gear? What I'm talking about is a bow like structure that would be 
flat along the bottom, then a curved arc from the fuselage to the wheels. I was 
thinking of 1/2 inch  foam for the inside core, with spruce where the main 
brackets attach ( to avoid the crush effect), and a taper down to solid 
aluminum where the wheel axles attach. I was going to use unidirectional 
fiberglass with a buildup to the point where I would  have about 13k lb failure 
point.

  I guess I could just fork out 1000 dollars for the Grove Gear, but I like 
experimenting.

  Any thoughts?


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KR> A Tribute to Ken Rand

[Ron Smith]

Jim Faughn <jfau...@socket.net> wrote:I have a picture of that painting 
hanging on my wall. This presentation took
place at Oshkosh in 1992 and it was the night of the same day Herb Bull died
in his plane at Oshkosh at the flyby. Herb was a very good artist and wanted
to do something special to cap off the 20th anniversary. He also put
together a great slide show which is part of another story.

What I remember of the people in picture is:
Upper right corner - the Rand kids and Kens Parents
Ken and Jeanette in upper center with Jeanette's mother on the left of
Jeannette
Upper Middle left - Dan Diehl and Jeannette
Lower Middle left - Steve Bennett
Lower Middle Center and bottom - Ken and ? working on the amphibious KR
Middle Right - Ken and Stu working on the first KR-2
Bottom Right - The year Ken took Oshkosh by storm with the KR-1 and KR-2 -
This was a trailer Ken built just to trailer both planes to Oshkosh.
Jeanette said they had a lot of looks along the way. You can tell it is the
early 70's by the dress of the family in the lower right.

Enjoy - 

Jim Faughn
891JF


Hi Jim,
  I don't think I have ever written anything to you, so let me say, I have read 
your web site and really like your little plane, and you seem to be having a 
fun time there. I check it every once in awhile to see if there are any 
updates. What happened with the Herb Bull accident? That was before my time 
here. I hope to meet you at a gathering in the future.

  Herb was quite an artist. It kinda reminds me of some of the limited Star 
trek art I have.



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KR> A Tribute to Ken Rand

[Ron Smith]

Mark Jones <flyk...@wi.rr.com> wrote:Jim,
Thanks for the description of the painting. I have placed the description
below the painting on the web site. http://flykr2s.com/kenrand.html


Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI USA
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  Hi Mark,

I wouldn't mind having a print of that to hang in my garage (airplane factory). 
I wonder if Jeanette would run off a prints? I wonder if some others might be 
interested in the same thing?



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KR> ELSA & LSA

[Ron Smith]

Ed Janssen <ejans...@chipsnet.com> wrote:Steve,

Besides getting the "fat" ultralights registered and certified, and then
pushing their pilots to become more knowledgeable and skillful pilots, the
important advantage of the Sport Pilot rating for those who have or have had
medical problems, is to be able to continue to fly without taking several
thousand dollars of medical tests every year to prove their physical
condition for flying.

I disagree on your other point though. Saying a plane is "high
performance" is relative and needs a definition. Getting a PPL certainly
doesn't automatically ensure your flying success with any aircraft. I
believe the KR is NOT "too hot to handle" for the average pilot and
shouldn't be for the properly trained Sport Pilot. I hope no one would shy
away from a KR thinking it is a "high" performance airplane that takes
extra-sharp flying skills and lots of flying experience. Flying a KR IS
different (but certainly not more difficult) than driving a Piper Cherokee
around, if you have a tailwheel endorsement for those KRs having the
nosewheel on the wrong end. I can attest to that. A KR driver would have
similar experience (maybe even have a little more difficult time) hopping in
an ultra-light type aircraft and flying for the first time. Didn't Ken Rand
have only a couple hundred hours before the first flight in his KR-1
prototype?

Ed

Ed Janssen
mailto:ejans...@chipsnet.com

  Ron Smith writes,

Right. A Kr will slow down if you pull back the throttle, and raise the nose, 
right? Or am I building the wrong plane? I only have 25 hours as a student, in 
152's. I'm sure I could handle it.

  One of the reasons I'm building the KR is that I want to train in my own 
plane. I plan to get my ticket just before I complete the project so that I can 
fly off the 40 hours.

  I have not found flying to be difficult, at least not the physicalities of 
it. What I have found more challenging is the radios and airspace.



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KR> Training and the KR

[Ron Smith]

Colin Rainey  wrote:Ron
A couple of problems with what you just stated. First, you cannot have 
passengers while testing in Phase I for the 40 hours. That shoots down dual 
anything, sorry. Second, you cannot perform ANY form of commercial operations 
in an Experimental Category Aircraft, including flight instruction, except for 
transition training for a rated pilot, meaning you would have to have your 
ticket already, and the CFI would have to be able to give instruction in that 
aircraft, which means he would have acquired 5 hours in type to teach in it 
(transition training into your KR would require 5 hours in yours or one like 
it). Thirdly, ask Mark Langford and Joe Horton about those hard landings, and 
how many more there would have been if they had done their primary training in 
their KR. I had no problem, but I have been flying since I was 12, soloed first 
when I was 16, and I am 42 now, and bought my KR2 when I was 40.

I agree with Steve Bray as to the approach to the KR. They are not to be 
feared, BUT they ARE to be respected! They can be docile and easily managed if 
well built, and a competent, alert pilot is flying them. But, if he goes to 
sleep/day dreams, or is having an "off day" he may be trailering it back home 
for some repairs. The window of performance is wide, but the edges are like 
cliffs, playing to close without a "safety line" can be very dangerous. Lack of 
this respect can be read about on Mark L's site from NTSB reports about crashes 
with the KR. Too many have tried to fly their KR like a spam can Cessna and 
have regretted it. KR's do NOT tolerate being behind the power curve, and will 
give you an ugly reminder if you forget! Steve is correct, which is why my 
earlier post recommended some time in a Mooney or Beechcraft that is certified 
"high performance". It is time that is irreplaceable if there is such a word, 
for its experience.

Colin,

  I know that I cannot train in the plane before the 40 hours. What I meant was 
and I think I said it, was that I would get my private BEFORE I finish my 
plane, and train in my plane, as a p.p. I'm sure I will get some time in a Hi 
preformance plane. Like I said, I've never been worried about my piloting 
skills. My instructor, very rarely ever took the controls, and when they did it 
was to show me something. I landed the plane every time myself and never had a 
real bad one, or even bounced, in as many landings I did in 25 hours. One time 
I did screw up and completly forgot to put in the flaps at all. Landed a little 
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KR> Training and the KR

[Ron Smith]

Brian Kraut  wrote:  I may be misinterpreting what you 
are saying, but I think you might be
confusing the 40 hours required to get your license (is it still 40 hours
these days?)with the 40 hours of solo flight on an experimental before it
can carry passengers, including you and and an instructor.  Meaning that
weather you have your license or not you can not take an instuctor in the
plane until the plane has 40 hours on it.  Sorry if I have screwed up what
you had intended to say.

Brian Kraut
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www.engalt.com

-No  worries Brian. I have 25 hours logged for my Private. I will have got  my 
private before I finnish my plane. Probably another 25 hours since I  have 
taken a break for awhile. I will have someone test fly my plane  like Mark L 
did. Then after I get some dual time in a kr, and I'm sure  mine flys 
reasonably well, I'll fly off the 40 test hours. AND  THENI'm going to 
visit some of you guys, in my carbon beast!!   That's my story and I'm sticken' 
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KR> Dr Dean hinges?

[Ron Smith]

I am using them for my elevator, and rudder, but the ailerons? I have never 
seen anyone do that. Does anyone have any drawings or photos of such a design?


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KR> question for Mark Jones

[Ron Smith]

Hi Mark,

You had some guys linked to your old web site, like
Bob Glidden, and Joe Horton. They no longer work.

Is there any way to fix those links?

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KR> question for Mark Jones

[Ron Smith]

--- Mark Jones <flyk...@wi.rr.com> wrote:

> Ron,
> Unfortunately, Netscape, who was the host of the
> free web site, has
> overloaded their system and access to those web
> sites are virtually
> impossible. They have not been accessible for quite
> some time. This is why I
> got fed up with Netscape and bought me space on a
> host site where I can have
> a reliable web site which is now www.flykr2s.com The
> fortunate thing is that
> I have a copy of the sites you are inquiring about
> on my hard drive but have
> not had the time to make a new web page for them.
> Hopefully, I can get to it
> one of these days. If there a certain one you would
> like to view, I can send
> it to you as an attachment.
> 
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI  USA
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> Visit my NEW
> KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com
> 
> 
> 

Hi Mark,

There is no immediate need on my part. I just like
looking through the Krnet at all of the projects, to
pick up ideas. It seems as though, at each stage of my
project, I can go back through the photos and gleen
some tid bit of info. 

I sure would like to see some photos of Joe Hortons
finished plane and any other photos he might have of
his engine and firefall forward.

I am talking as many photos of my project as I can to
try and be helpful to any fellow builders, that
follow. 

That is what the KRnet is all about right!?

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KR> Final Flight

[Ron Smith]

Mark Jones <flyk...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
Two days ago, I made a flight after installing my new Sensenich prop. This
was also my last flight of 2005. Today I have drained my wing tanks dry and
disconnected all wiring and tubes going to the outer wings. I have also
loosened the WAF bolts in preparation of removing the wings. The reason I am
doing this is so I can bring my plane home for the winter. I will be
completing all the minor things I never got done because flying was more
important at the time. I will also complete the body work, install the wheel
pants and paint her this winter. I will also be removing my engine and doing
some minor things to it. I could do this work at the hanger but having the
pane at home will be more convenient plus I have a heated garage. So to all
of you who can fly through the winter, I wish you many safe and great
flights. Watch for the unveiling of a new N886MJ this spring.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI USA
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Hi Mark!



I bet your wife is happy the plane is coming home! :) 



My wife has about the same attitude toward my plane, as yours does.  I think 
you said your wife has come around a little bit though, right?



I'm glad your will be painting and finishing your plane. Yours is alot like 
what mine will be, so I have followed your progress closely. I plan to have a 
trigear-corvair.



Did you mark the numbers you were getting, to compare what the wheel pants 
gives you as far as climb, and top speed and cruise, etc? Last I heard you were 
getting 145 WOT.



Good luck on your trip home.



How are you going to stand not flying that little bird?



Btw, thanks for posting those pics of Joe Hortons plane. What a nice job he 
did! From the pics, that looks like a factory plane!



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[Ron Smith]

ken <kenra...@myway.com> wrote:


thanks for the info colin

i'm in the process of researching for a cusotm cam-shaft for the saturn to get 
my hp and torque near the same power curve i'm also looking to have the cam 
ground to to have peak torque and hp at a lower rpm range so there will be less 
wear and stess on the motor

as for the electronic the comp will go inside the cockpit near the firewall but 
im still looking for that web site i found for the company that does the 
reprograming to convert auto to aircraft


Ron Smith writes,
Notice the numbers the corvair guys are getting? 


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KR> cutting sponge foam

[Ron Smith]

Oscar Zuniga <taildr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Just working on repairing the seat back on the Pietenpol and thought I'd 
post a tip that has been mentioned before but it works so well it's worth 
repeating.

When cutting sponge foam such as is used for upholstery and cushions, use an 
electric knife. The one I use is one that came with a bread slicing setup, 
but most any electric knife will work. It cuts straight and clean through 
foams, unlike trying to use a knife or scissors. Mark your line on the foam 
with a Sharpie and just let the knife ease through. It'll cut as straight 
as you can mark a line with a ruler, or follow curves as needed.

Be sure to rinse off the knife blades before you put the knife away, or your 
whole wheat bread will be "fortified" with foam dust next time you slice 
some ;o)

Thanks Omar

That was just the information I needed!! I was wondering how I was going to do 
that. I love the KRNET!



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KR> A time for Scooching

[Ron Smith]

I 

patrusso <patru...@sover.net> wrote:
Today is the big day, moving another project to the airport. An Horizon two, 
quite modified to look more like an 80% scale L-19. Interesting story with 
this one. My partner on this project is an 85 year old who is legally 
blind. A veteran of three wars, retired from the military. He was suffering 
from depression and needed something to do, he had tools and space and I 
suggested an airplane. The project took three years and three months 
working ONLY on tuesdays from 7AM to 2PM. Now he's depressed again for fear 
that our companionship will soon end. Built a two seater (tandem) so that 
he could enjoy it, but he is so fragile that climbing into the plane 
exhausts him. STILL, it's pretty exciting for both of us.
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>
> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for 
> building
> is OVER.
>


Great story! People just don't know how fun building a plane can be! Seems like 
it brought new life to your friend. I can just picture the thrill he'll get 
when flying the project that he worked so hard on. There is still time left for 
us..thakn God! Makes me want to devote more time to building.



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KR> Off Topic. Furniture

[Ron Smith]

--- "Cris." <flyi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anybody need a new bookshelf for your home or
> hangar?
> Here are a couple of things homebuilder could be
> interested in :-)
> Otherwise, just glass them and...
> 
> http://www.emufly.com/
> 
> Ciao.
> 
> Cris.
> 
>

Nice Chris!

You Italians have great ideas when it come to STYLING! :0

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KR> Mark Jones

[Ron Smith]

Nice job on your new website!

I really missed being able to easily view the photos of your project.

For me it is very important to veiw other peoples projects to help me get my 
mind wrapped around what I'm doing and will do next.

Thanks,


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KR> KR Net Post

[Ron Smith]

--- Mark Jones  wrote:

> Well guys, you have done it again I just
> received a private e-mail from Isaac Milton. Why did
> he just send it to me? Maybe it is because I am the
> only one who did not respond negatively to his First
> and now, Last post. Isaac introduced himself as an
> African American KR builder. That alone was
> intriguing to me as I am not sure if we have have
> another person in our KR Family who is of this
> ethnic background. Isaac has informed me that his
> first flights should happen in the spring around
> March or April. He is at the point, where, I am sure
> he would like all the support he can get from the KR
> Net as he leads up to his first flight. From the
> replies he received so far, I do not think he will
> be asking us for our help any longer. While, it is
> true that we are concerned for our KR Family members
> who are caught up in, hurricanes, tornados, civil
> unrest, rain storms, hail storms, floods, sickness,
> etc, etc, etc...We must also remember that this
> list is for KR building and flying issues. An
> occasional off beat subject is ok as long as it is
> not dwelt upon for days and weeks on end. As we grow
> older in our lives, are we not supposed to gain
> wisdom and from that wisdom teach others who have
> not been there yet? You guys can flame me and slam
> me all you want but it think it is appalling when
> someone makes a first post and introduces himself
> and then decides that maybe he is not welcome here
> because people post before using their brain and
> thinking about what they are about to say. I have
> been on this net for many years and do not plan to
> go anywhere unless wings sprout on my back. Once
> again I have spoken my peace. I am sure it won't be
> the last time.  
>  
> 
> Mark Jones (N886MJ) 
> Wales, WI 
> Visit my "NEW" KR CorvAIRCRAFT web site:
> http://www.flykr2s.com  
> Email: mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com 
> 

Hi Mark,

My 2cents:

1. We don't need a report on the civil unrest in
France on this list. I wish the posters here would
keep to KR stuff only.

2. I did not see anything negative posted to that new
guy.

3. If his skin is that thin, then maybe the internet
is not the place for him!!!







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KR> AS504x airfoil

[Ron Smith]

Jim <aerobe...@cox.net> wrote:
Thank you The computer is brand new however we have been having a few 
little gliches with it and this maybe one of them weve stumped Dell a couple 
of times. I know we must have some real problems because even my kids can 
get that to make a readable print . Sure would apperiate a disc since this 
thing wont get me what I need. Ill send it right back to you when I gleen 
the infomation off Thank you

Jim Beale
3015 W Bluebird
Wichita Ks 67204


Hey Jim, 

I had the same problem with the disc that I downloaded. The solution for me was 
this:



I had Kinkos on their computer go to Marks site and download the program. It 
worked and they were able to then print the airfoils on their 36" printer.



Once you get them, theose templates are very well done and and make everything 
so much easier.



Good luck.



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KR> Tail section

[Ron Smith]

Hello Kneters!

Does anyone have the difference in weight between the standard trim system, and 
an electric powered one like MAC? 

Has anyone weighed the total systems to find the difference?

I have begun working on my project, after about a three month hiatus. Woking on 
the tail, and the composite seat.

Joe Hortons flight has got me motivated!


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KR> Another tail section question

[Ron Smith]

Hello Knetters,

How much of a gap is there supposed to be between the HS, and the elevator? The 
plans seem to be little help here.



Thanks in advance,


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KR> Another tail section question

[Ron Smith]

Mark Langford <n5...@hiwaay.net> wrote:
And don't forget that the "new standard" for those hinges is the "Dr. Dean 
hinge", shown at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/dean_hinge/ ...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net


Hi Mark,



I am using the Dr. Dean hinges, but I am keeping the "standard plans airfoil 
shapes". I don't see anywhere on the plans where it tells you how to form that 
gap. From what I see on the plans it looks as though there is no gap .Maybe I'm 
just not reading the plans correctly.  I just made mine about 1/8 of an inch. 



I was wondering how much gap everyone else has.



I am concerned that I don't get a binding condition, cause by having that gap 
to tight.



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KR> Another tail section question

[Ron Smith]

Martindale Family <johnja...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
You want the gap small to minimise air flow from the high pressure side to
the low pressure side. Mind you, the KR elevator is so effective that it
might not matter all that much. My gap is about 2 mm. I wonder how much the
tail surface flexes in flight and whether this could cause binding if too
many hinges were used. I think there is a thread on this. Check the
archives.

John

The Martindale Family
29 Jane Circuit
Toormina NSW 2452
Australia



Thanks John,



Those were exactly my concerns. I didn't want to have to wide a gap, because I 
know that would effect the areodynamics, and I wasn't sure of how tight I could 
get with out getting bitten by some flexing to to flight air pressures.



I can't imagine the HS flexing more than 1/8, especially since I have three 
hinges on each side.



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KR> Another tail section question

[Ron Smith]

--- Larry Flesner <fles...@verizon.net> wrote:

> 
> >
> >
> >I can't imagine the HS flexing more than 1/8,
> especially since I 
> >have three hinges on each side.
> >
> >Ron Smith
>
+++
> 
> If it flexes too much your hinges will bind and I've
> never heard of 
> that happening
> on the horizontal stab.  I did have one KR pilot
> tell me years ago 
> that he thought
> his ailerons bound up on a high speed, high G turn. 
> He released some back
> pressure, rolled level and then continued his pull
> up.  I'd think you 
> could overcome
> any binding of foam/glass layup with stick pressure
> if your life was depending
> on it.  Also, any flexing in the horizontal stab
> would probably be mirrored in
> the elevator, thus eliminating a bind condition.
> 
> That's my opinion and it worth every cent you paid
> for it. :-)
> 
> Larry Flesner
> 
> 

Thanks Larry,

I was thinking the same thing. It is always good to
get  other builders input.

I always respect the opinion of someone who has built
and flown a KR, BTW.


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KR> Grove gear question

[Ron Smith]

There is a certain amount of camber angle to the gear to compensate for a/c 
weight. Does anybody have the camber angle in degrees?
I'm thinking of trying to make some fiberglass maingear and I'd like a starting 
point for that angle if anyone can help.

I'll make the gear, post some pics and test the gear for strength, and give you 
guys the results and how much it costs.

Any tips would be appreciated.

KR> Grove gear question

[Ron Smith]

Matthew Elder <eldo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Having just made my own 'glass gear, I can tell you
this... It's a tedious process :-) The camber angle
is based on how much deflection of the gear leg at
what weight, so the answer is "it depends".

My legs are 25.5 inches long (hyp dim) at a 45deg
angle. I ended up with a calculated angle of 2deg
camber sized for the length of the leg, the angle, and
the ramp weight of 830 lbs (KR-1).

Initial testing shows that it's just about right on,
but that's for my instance. I have about $160 in
mine. There aren't a lot of details on my website
just yet, but I'll get some more up there one day. 
Hope this helps.

Matt


--- Ron Smith wrote:

Thanks Matt,



I was thinking it would be about 3 degrees. I will have to shim it anyway, I'm 
sure. 



How is the "glass panel" going?



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KR> Grove gear question

[Ron Smith]

Matthew Elder <eldo...@yahoo.com> wrote: 
Having just made my own 'glass gear, I can tell you
this... It's a tedious process :-) The camber angle
is based on how much deflection of the gear leg at
what weight, so the answer is "it depends".

My legs are 25.5 inches long (hyp dim) at a 45deg
angle. I ended up with a calculated angle of 2deg
camber sized for the length of the leg, the angle, and
the ramp weight of 830 lbs (KR-1).

Initial testing shows that it's just about right on,
but that's for my instance. I have about $160 in
mine. There aren't a lot of details on my website
just yet, but I'll get some more up there one day. 
Hope this helps.

Matt


--- Ron Smith wrote:

I forgot to ask. How many layers of fiberglass, uni? Carbon? eglass? sglass?



Hope you don't mind all the questions :)




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KR> Web Site Host

[Ron Smith]

I might be interested, if it is easy and cheap!

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KR> WAF's

[Ron Smith]

I am ready to install my WAF. Should I do anything to seal the wood under the 
WAF's?


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KR> Questions for Joe Horton

[Ron Smith]

First Congrates!  You must be on cloud nine..er maybe 10!

Joe, how long is your fuselage? Is it standard KR2S length? Did you use the 
"new airfoil" and the 1 degree incidence? If so, what is the incidence of your 
HS? I'm getting close to building my HS, and am wondering how I will set it. 
Someone, I think Mark L. said  a piece of 3/32 ply under the aft HS spar should 
be perfect. I was wondering what you did, and how is the plane with regard to 
trim, if you noticed?

Congratulations again on your remarkable acheivment.

KR> Questions for Joe Horton

[Ron Smith]

First Congrates!  You must be on cloud nine..er maybe 10!

Joe, how long is your fuselage? Is it standard KR2S length? Did you use the 
"new airfoil" and the 1 degree incidence? If so, what is the incidence of your 
HS? I'm getting close to building my HS, and am wondering how I will set it. 
Someone, I think Mark L. said  a piece of 3/32 ply under the aft HS spar should 
be perfect. I was wondering what you did, and how is the plane with regard to 
trim, if you noticed?

Congratulations again on your remarkable achievment.

KR> WAFS further

[Ron Smith]

So I was thinking of drilling all the WAF holes and coating the surface with 
aeropoxy, also the bolts (not the threads) and assembling while uncured. This 
would cement the WAF to the spar.

Is there anything wrong with this method?


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KR> BRS

[Ron Smith]

--- Ron Lee  wrote:

> Ron,  How will I get into a flat spin?
> 
> Answer: It won't happen or has such a low
> probability
> that it is not worth being part of a risk
> assessment.> Ron,  How will I get into a flat spin?
> 
>  
> My piloting skills:  Good to better than average
> 
> Pilot judgement: Superior
> 
> Flight currency:  250 hours a year the last three
> years
> 
> Current training: instrument rating
> 
> As I said, if you or anyone else desires to install
> a BRS, go ahead.
> I have seen several cases where they were used were
> use masked
> extremely poor judgement.
> 
> The aileron case may be viable if and only if
> detection of the maintenance
> problem was undetected during a normal preflight. 
> That does not apply to
> me since I know the status of my control system.
> 
> The argument that everyone makes bad decisions is
> fundamentally flawed
> and cannot support a universal mandate for BRS
> systems. I don't make
> those kind of decisions, which is why I am a safer
> pilot than many.  FACT!
> 
> Ron Lee

Ron, 
I don't want to argue with you. If people want to put
a chute in or not, it is up to them. I am not calling
for anything to be mandatory. I am a LIBRITARIAN!! LOL

I don't see why a person knowing the facts would not.
That is all.

I'm sure your're a fine pilot. A lot of pilots better
than you, died. Most of the time, thorough their own
screw up. Sometimes because of someone elses screw up.
Sometimes because of an "act of God".

If it makes you feel better not having one. Right on
Brother! I pray, in all sincerity that neither you or
anyone else ever dies in a KR again. I'm sure they
will though.

I have not compiled the number of hours flown in KRs
and devided it by the number of deaths, but I'm sure
if I did, I would not like the number.

I read somewhere that flying in GA is about as risky
as riding a motocycle in an urban area. That's fine.

I'll bet that flying experimentals is a little more
risky.

If someone turns left in front of your Harley, there
is no handle to pull.

At least in aviation we have a few seconds, at the
end, where we know we are going to die. I will have
the handle to pull if I screw up. That is no garentee
I will live, but it is better than no chance at all,
which is what you have with no control at 200 alg,
decending rapidly.

BTW Ron, Your Wrote,>

 The argument that everyone makes bad decisions is
> fundamentally flawed

It is not flawed. Everyone who is a pilot has, or will
make a bad decision. Were you not taught that in your
training? The problem is that we sometimes compound
that  bad decsision with another one, till there is no
possible recovery.

Generally pilots die because of a series of bad
decisions. Sometimes though one bad decision is enough
in the right circumstances.

Here is the bottom line for me. 

Of those all those who died in small experimental
planes that crashed, how many would have been saved if
they had the option of a BRS? 90%? 50%? 20%? 10%?

Twenty pounds
3000 dolars
A little extra work
A Weight and balance recalulation
A little less cargo area

Or.


My life and perhaps my passengers life?

Easy decision.

All I have to say on the subject.

KR> Steve Jones' Crash

[Ron Smith]

Dan wrote:
 The only thing is
> that I need to get as
> much weight as Jerry and that is going to be hard to
> do. 

LOL!

BTW what you said about the blocks is exactly what I'm
talking about. If we were God we could forsee every
little thing that could go wrong. We can't.

I remember when Mark Jones lost his spinner in flight.
Wanna know what I was thinking? I was thinking He was
EXTREMLY lucky that the spinner didn't break off part
of his HS. If it did..Well I don't wanna
even think about it.

Weird stuff happens.

KR> BRS

[Ron Smith]

--- Ron Lee <ron...@pcisys.net> wrote:

> Ron, your career choice as a LIBRARIAN is fine but
> not relevant
> to this discussion.  

LOL!

I wrote "libritarian"!

Ok Ron, We smokem peace pipe and no make war dance!

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KR> Re: "Stick and Rudder"

[Ron Smith]

--- Mark Jones  wrote:

> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mark Langford" 
> >
> > I got a real kick out of where he talks about
> tri-gear as "the new safety
> > gear"
> 
> All the hype on tail draggers over the past few
> months is making me feel
> like a "red headed step child". Hm could my
> tri gear emerge as a
> tail dragger in the spring like a caterpillar
> emerging from a cocoon as a
> butterfly.  Na, you guys need someone to pick
> on. I do have major plans
> for my plane over the next few months though while
> we are in the frozen
> months here.
> 
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI  USA
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj
> 
>

Hi Mark, 
I really enjoyed seeing the photos of your Kr at the 
Gathering.

All that talk of how to land a tail dragger makes me
sure I want a Trigear.  I like Flying. I want flights,
and landings, minus the FAA investigations. Oh yeah I
want an automatic transmission in my car too. :)