KR> Project wanted

[Randy Moore Newbern Tn. N318RM]

email  me at no1son38 at aol.com got one for 2000 will send photos
Randy Moore 
newbern tn
  challenger II sold
 avid mark IV sold
cessna 150 keeper flying
cessna 172 sold
Vstol aka starflight for sale  5000
KR II single seat for sale 2000



-Original Message-
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Cc: Kevin Dean 
Sent: Sun, Nov 13, 2016 9:31 am
Subject: KR> Project wanted

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!important; }  I am a previous cozy mkiv builder that is looking to take over a 
project.
Interested in a KR2S .
Thank you


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[Kevin Dean]

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#715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white 
!important; }  I am a previous cozy mkiv builder that is looking to take over a 
project.
Interested in a KR2S .
Thank you


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KR> Project for sale

[jclange.007]

Where is it?


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 Original message From: Skyflyr001--- via KRnet  Date: 11/6/16  4:08 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: krnet at list.krnet.org 
Cc: Skyflyr001 at aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Project for sale 
Still trying to sell the KR 2 "Dumbo"? Very motivated seller,?? Make offer 
and it's yours. Google KR2 Dumbo.
Since it hasn't folw in 10 years I would consider it a 99% complete? 
project.

Jim


Captain Jim? Gehringer
FedEx MD-11 MEM
Check Airman / Instructor Pilot
ALPA? FOQA
901-493-2540? 


In a message dated 11/6/2016 2:31:20 P.M. Central Standard Time,? 
krnet at list.krnet.org writes:

?But I? chose my battle, and opted to help the 
Experimental world directly through? KRnet.? ??Apparently it's not been 
enough. Mark L.
I went to a few eaa? meetings early on.? Good moral suport, not much else.? 
KRnet has? been more support than anything or anyone locally.? KRneter's 
web sires? with pictures has helped a lot.? I hope to fly in a mater of? weeks.

Joe Nunley CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC? Instructor Baker? Florida 
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[Skyflyr001 at aol.com]

Still trying to sell the KR 2 "Dumbo"  Very motivated seller,   Make offer 
and it's yours. Google KR2 Dumbo.
Since it hasn't folw in 10 years I would consider it a 99% complete  
project.

Jim


Captain Jim  Gehringer
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In a message dated 11/6/2016 2:31:20 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
krnet at list.krnet.org writes:

?But I  chose my battle, and opted to help the 
Experimental world directly through  KRnet.  ??Apparently it's not been 
enough. Mark L.
I went to a few eaa  meetings early on.  Good moral suport, not much else.  
KRnet has  been more support than anything or anyone locally.  KRneter's 
web sires  with pictures has helped a lot.  I hope to fly in a mater of  weeks.

Joe Nunley CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC  Instructor Baker  Florida 
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[bjoenunley]

?But I chose my battle, and opted to help the 
Experimental world directly through KRnet. ???Apparently it's not been enough. 
Mark L.
I went to a few eaa meetings early on. ?Good moral suport, not much else. 
?KRnet has been more support than anything or anyone locally. ?KRneter's web 
sires with pictures has helped a lot. ?I hope to fly in a mater of weeks.

Joe Nunley?CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC Instructor?Baker Florida?

KR> Project for sale

[Mark Langford]

Phill Hill wrote:

 > Lack of a Tech Counselor is one of the major problems I have...

I never had a Tech Counselor...he showed up once early on and confessed 
that his specialty was aluminum aircraft, my workmanship looked fine, 
and that I should forge on without him.  The FAA did away with any kind 
of inspection (other than the final airworthiness inspection) many years 
ago.  It should be noted, however, that three TC inspections are a bonus 
when it comes to getting insurance, but I was still able to get 
insurance, even with only a few hours of tailwheel training, and a 
hundred hours of flight time.

I am sure I'm not the only one to have built a KR without a Tech 
Counselor, and in fact am probably in the majority.  With resources like 
the Internet, KRnet, and all the other experimental aircraft related 
forums, videos, and websites, I see no reason why any reasonably capable 
person cannot build and fly a KR without issue.

I'm sure you've had other obstacles in your way, but I don't think you 
can blame the lack of EAA support.  I gave up on my EAA chapter many 
years ago, and some will argue that I should have helped to improve it, 
rather than bailing.  But I chose my battle, and opted to help the 
Experimental world directly through KRnet.  Apparently it's not been enough.

I'm sorry it didn't work out for you.  It's always a shame to see dreams 
evaporate, along with the time and money invested.

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
http://www.n56ml.com

KR> Project for sale

[Phillip Hill]

I've been sitting here for an hour, starting, erasing, restarting, editing,
trying to figure out how to say what I need to say, so I'll just say it I
guess. After a couple of years of trying to complete this project, I have
run into so serious snags. Pardon me as I get long winded.  First off, I
purchased an abandoned project that was quite far along that had one major
flaw and that was the glass parts of the structure was wavy and uneven. It
didn't matter to me, I have lots of fiberglass experience on boats and
hovercraft. I made this decision after many months of checking the project
over against the plans etc. Ok so I cut all the glass off, fixed a couple
little things and began making the other decisions necessary to move
forward, like center stick or dual stick, seat position, flaps of no flaps.
In the mean time I began contacting EAA Tech counselors to get official
guidance on my project. I decided to keep the project stock with original
retract gear and re-engineer the gear lock mechanism as everyone else has
done. Then my Dad became ill and I spent most of my time caring for this
great WWII Navy Vet and stopped working on the plane. A year later Dad
passed away and I took some time off to rest up and help my mom.

Lack of a Tech Counselor is one of the major problems I have. I initially
contacted the EAA and got a list, three in my area. I contacted everyone on
the list. One had moved and not updated the EAA so he was out. One had
moved farther away than he was comfortable travelling. One didn't give me
the time of day. I went to the local EAA chapter and they didn't have
anyone at the time but gave me the name of a guy who was going to be their
designated Tech Counselor (TC). I contacted him, talked to him face to face
at the meeting and set up an appointment. He had t drive through my town on
the way back from work so it was perfect. Well, he was a no show. I called
him several times and got no answer, left messages etc.  Nothing.  Ok, so
now what. I continued down the path I had started so as not to be just
sitting around. I knew where I was going and until some told me otherwise I
was just going to continue but I couldn't get too far ahead of myself.

So I finally made phone contact with the original guy from the EAA list
that didn't give me the time of day.  He was about to go to Europe for a
month and we set a time to make contact again after her returned. He asked
me for my contact details etc. I was excited to get this underway. Well,
the allotted time came and went, no contact. Sent the guy several emails
(his preferred method of contact), and left him a couple voice mails and
got no return.

I kept on working, I got an experienced KR builder to stop by and take a
look. He gave me a few pointers, and suggested a few things, which I did. I
heard a fellow KR builder had enlisted the original guy I had arrangement
with as his adviser, so I made contact with him again. I told him about the
project again and he said he had a few other things to do and he would call
me right back. The call never came. So now, I'm really ticked off. I get
the fact these guys are volunteers but wow. I decided I was going to have
to be the worlds biggest pest and push the issue then I thought, do I
really want someone inspecting my project and giving me advice whose heart
is not in it. Not a chance. If I was the TC and I had a guy hounding me,
would I have a good attitude about it? Would I be able to look at his
project objectively?  Probably not.

Now the WAF (wife approval factor) is at an all time low.  She has asked me
to give up my dream. She wants me to concentrate on my artistic skills
etc.  I can't afford to buy a plane, I can't afford the high annual
expenses etc. My only option was to use my engineering, intuition and
skills and build something that I could use to stay flying. I'm in great
health, take no meds for anything, and it would be a shame to waste a
perfectly good FAA Medical. But alas, it must not have been meant to be.

So, for a reasonable period of time, my project is for sale. I have a
conventional, retractable gear, slightly widened (2"-3") KR-2 torn down,
back to boat stage with 2 sets of wings. One set built with Deihl wing
skins with 10gal fuel tanks in each wing. The other set was built to plans.
I have VW engine engine mount and a few other odds and ends. Gear just
needs to be re-attached etc and its rolling or convert it to fixed gear.
Also have forward deck with fuel tank built-in per plans. Pictures upon
request (Off List Please). Second set of wings (Deihl skinned) for sale
separately from the KR-2.

Anyway, this is not the way I wanted to go. I have engineered and air
tested several innovations I thought would enhance the KR but now that will
be lost. Sad to have to let this go. It's all I've wanted to do since I was
in high school. Oh well.

I apologize for the long winded post. I needed to vent a little.

Phill Hill,
Collinsville, IL
phill.hill at gmail.com
(618)567-5275

KR> Project for sale

[Randy Moore Newbern Tn. N318RM]

I have one for sale 

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-Original Message-
From: L D Mueller via KRnet 
To: 'KRnet' 
Cc: L D Mueller 
Sent: Wed, Sep 7, 2016 01:03 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Project for sale


Is your project listed anywhere else?

L D Mueller
Mueller Aviation
Cuba City WI 53807
Hanger 46 KPVB
LDMueller.COM

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Ellison
via KRnet
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:09 PM
To: Flesner via KRnet
Cc: Jim Ellison
Subject: KR> (no subject)


Larry ,
If I sent you a info packet about my project. Would you please put it on the
for sale table at the Gathering.
Thank you
Jim Ellison
Sherman, TX.
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KR> Project for sale

[L D Mueller]

Is your project listed anywhere else?

L D Mueller
Mueller Aviation
Cuba City WI 53807
Hanger 46 KPVB
LDMueller.COM

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Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 12:09 PM
To: Flesner via KRnet
Cc: Jim Ellison
Subject: KR> (no subject)


Larry ,
If I sent you a info packet about my project. Would you please put it on the
for sale table at the Gathering.
Thank you
Jim Ellison
Sherman, TX.
missile.mouse at hotmail.com

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KR> KR Project for sale/trade

[Pete and Karen Gauthier]

   I have a KR 2 Project that I started in the early 80's That I need to get 
out of my shop.  It has a been widened 4" lengthened one Bay (I think 11"), has 
spar location altered for AS504x (6 as I recall) and a dragonfly Canopy These 
mods were made before the KR2S eas released (not the airfoil mod of course).  
There are thing I'd like to change but am moving on to other projects.  I also 
have a relatively stock KR2 Canopy and frame that I removed from my other KR 2 
when I replaced the canopy with an RV12 canopy (long story). These items are in 
Woodburn, OR and the price will be very right to someone that would like a 
headstart on a project. Contact me off line if you are interested or you know 
someone that be.



Pete Gauthier

KR> what to look for when inspecting/buying a KR project

[Chris Prata]

hi gary,
I'd like to know the measurements widest point where pilot sits, overall 
length. lot of these seem to have been modded bigger and I am tryin to stay 
original as possible...
how much are you asking for the boat section?
thank you
regards,chris

> Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 13:11:21 +
> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> Subject: Re: KR> what to look for when inspecting/buying a KR project
> From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> CC: gr49 at comcast.net
> 
> I have a KR-1 Boat  hanging in my shop if your interested  ?
> 
> Building a KR-1.5 SS (super stretched) myself.
> 
> Also a VW engine mount an other things.
> 
> 
> 
> Gary Robison  
> gr49 at comcast.net
> 724-45nine-eight nine four 1
> 
> 
> Subject: Re: KR> what to look for when inspecting/buying a KR project
> 
> I do appreciate the replies. just to be clear what I'm after, I am ONLY 
> interested in a KR1 single place, original style, less than 50% built. I know 
> a lot of discussion takes place here and its easy to forget who is into what, 
> but I have been talking about replicating Ken's original KR1 all along, 
> except for some sensible improvements to enhance reliability/safety. And it 
> will be tri-geared. To that goal, I have purchased a set of new KR1 plans.
> If I can find a stock KR1 boat stage that would fantastic and they do 
> occasionally come up. 
> My question was what to look for in terms of construction detail that may 
> indicate a poor build, especially indications that the woodwork cannot be 
> used.
> 
> 
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KR> what to look for when inspecting/buying a KR project

[Gary Robison]

I have a KR-1 Boat  hanging in my shop if your interested  ?

Building a KR-1.5 SS (super stretched) myself.

Also a VW engine mount an other things.



Gary Robison  
gr49 at comcast.net
724-45nine-eight nine four 1


Subject: Re: KR> what to look for when inspecting/buying a KR project

I do appreciate the replies. just to be clear what I'm after, I am ONLY 
interested in a KR1 single place, original style, less than 50% built. I know a 
lot of discussion takes place here and its easy to forget who is into what, but 
I have been talking about replicating Ken's original KR1 all along, except for 
some sensible improvements to enhance reliability/safety. And it will be 
tri-geared. To that goal, I have purchased a set of new KR1 plans.
If I can find a stock KR1 boat stage that would fantastic and they do 
occasionally come up. 
My question was what to look for in terms of construction detail that may 
indicate a poor build, especially indications that the woodwork cannot be used.

KR> what to look for when inspecting/buying a KR project

[Lawrence Bell]

Gary,
 You may be confused about the 50%. It is well explained in Kit Planes
magazine. The 50% applies to the build of the airplane. If you take over a
project that is over 50% amateur built by anyone it qualifies, the builder
doesn't have to be you. If you want a repair certificate for working on the
airplane you have to be listed as the builder when it is certified. They
explained a case where someone took over a project that had already
received an N number with another builder listed as the main builder. Even
though the buyer who took over the project did more than 50% he could not
get a repair certificate but he could get amateur built status on the
airplane. I just think you might be looking at the wrong criteria for your
objective.
 Larry Bell

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 6:11 AM, Gary Robison via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> I have a KR-1 Boat  hanging in my shop if your interested  ?
>
> Building a KR-1.5 SS (super stretched) myself.
>
> Also a VW engine mount an other things.
>
>
>
> Gary Robison
> gr49 at comcast.net
> 724-45nine-eight nine four 1
>
>
> Subject: Re: KR> what to look for when inspecting/buying a KR project
>
> I do appreciate the replies. just to be clear what I'm after, I am ONLY
> interested in a KR1 single place, original style, less than 50% built. I
> know a lot of discussion takes place here and its easy to forget who is
> into what, but I have been talking about replicating Ken's original KR1 all
> along, except for some sensible improvements to enhance reliability/safety.
> And it will be tri-geared. To that goal, I have purchased a set of new KR1
> plans.
> If I can find a stock KR1 boat stage that would fantastic and they do
> occasionally come up.
> My question was what to look for in terms of construction detail that may
> indicate a poor build, especially indications that the woodwork cannot be
> used.
>
>
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KR> what to look for when inspecting/buying a KR project

[Chris Prata]

I do appreciate the replies. just to be clear what I'm after, I am ONLY 
interested in a KR1 single place, original style, less than 50% built. I know a 
lot of discussion takes place here and its easy to forget who is into what, but 
I have been talking about replicating Ken's original KR1 all along, except for 
some sensible improvements to enhance reliability/safety. And it will be 
tri-geared. To that goal, I have purchased a set of new KR1 plans.
If I can find a stock KR1 boat stage that would fantastic and they do 
occasionally come up. 
My question was what to look for in terms of construction detail that may 
indicate a poor build, especially indications that the woodwork cannot be used.

Not trying to come across too strident, just staying focused on the task at 
hand which is to learn how to assess a KR1 boat.
Thanks to Mark on the article I will check it out tonight. maybe that will 
explain it all, but any tips here will be appreciated (and saved to my keeps 
folder!)
thanks!
regards,chris p

KR> what to look for when inspecting/buying a KR project

[Mark Langford]

Chris Prata wrote:

 >> I'd like t ask you owners and builders, what are some things I 
should examine to at least try and determine build quality?<<

Take a look at the September 1996 issue of "KRonline", at 
http://www.krnet.org/kronline/.  Jeff Scott wrote an article on that.

See http://www.krnet.org/kronline/ .

I would add that if you buy a flying airplane, that you show up with a 
trailer to carry it home, because your very first KR flight, a "new" 
airplane, and the pressure of getting back home is not a good survival 
plan, as those FAA accident reports make clear.

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
http://www.n56ml.com

KR> what to look for when inspecting/buying a KR project

[Tim Wingerter]

I have a KR-2 kit partially assembled if you are interested in it.  I am
asking $1,600, OBO for it.  It is located in Fairbanks, Alaska.

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Prata
via KRnet
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 9:31 PM
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Cc: Chris Prata
Subject: KR> what to look for when inspecting/buying a KR project

hi all,
I once bought a KR1 fuselage and figured out that it was not made well, plus
life got in the way and I sold the hardware and scrapped the wood.

now that I'm again looking for an unfinsihed project, I'd like t ask you
owners and builders, what are some things I should examine to at least try
and determine build quality?
all advice will be GREATLY appreciated!
(in fact, should I consider a flying example, the same advice will also help
with that)
regards,chris p   
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KR> what to look for when inspecting/buying a KR project

[Chris Prata]

hi all,
I once bought a KR1 fuselage and figured out that it was not made well, plus 
life got in the way and I sold the hardware and scrapped the wood.

now that I'm again looking for an unfinsihed project, I'd like t ask you owners 
and builders, what are some things I should examine to at least try and 
determine build quality?
all advice will be GREATLY appreciated!
(in fact, should I consider a flying example, the same advice will also help 
with that)
regards,chris p   

KR> Project Blog

[Matt Quimby]

Hey all, I?ve begun keeping a blog on my KR2 project. If anyone?s interested, 
you can find it at http://kr2pilot.blogspot.com . 
-Matt

KR> Project for sale or give

[jack gress]

Have to move it.  60% complete KR-2.  Engine (Revmaster needs overhaul) and 
Instruments (steam gauge).  Tricycle gear, Diel Wings.  Kansas City.MO.  
816-761-2693/jackgkr2 at outlook.com.  

Sent from Jack's Visio Pad

KR> project update

[Pete Klapp]

Bob
I also I'm using capacitance probes from Centroid. I have 40" long probes that 
bend 85 deg just after the sensor head. They were built to be able to bend 
there. I had to make a bending tool to make a tight radius. They mount thru the 
top of the tank and slip into a piece of I/2"  slotted pvc pipe supported by 
bracket mounted inside my alum 12 gallon wing tanks. The pvc pipe prevents the 
probe from touching any part of the tank. Some of the fuel monitor gages, such 
as the "glass panels" ie. Dynon, MGL, etc have the ability to preset 
capacitance values to certain tank levels setting up a curve to approximate 
actual tank levels. I had my probes built with low level alarms that hopefully 
will prevent the possibility of running out of fuel.
Pete Klapp, Canton, OH

> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 21:48:39 -0500
> Subject: Re: KR> project update
> From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> 
> or just buy a precise fuel totalizer! a far better system, which even shows 
> GPM, etc.
> 
> 
> 
> > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 18:14:37 -0600
> > To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> > Subject: Re: KR> project update
> > From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> > 
> > 
> > >  how to use capacitance probes for my wing tanks without placing 
> > > them in the tanks.
> > 
> > ++
> > 
> > Robert,
> > 
> > The only possibility I can envision is to have a stand pipe inside 
> > the cockpit , connected to the tank , where the level of fuel in the 
> > standpipe follows the level in the wing.  In that case, why not just 
> > use a site gauge.  I have 7 foot long probes in my wing tanks running 
> > from root to tip of the outer wing panel.  Because the tank thickness 
> > changes from root to tip, they are not linear.  For wing tanks where 
> > the wing has dihedral there is no perfect system, floats or 
> > otherwise.  Know what fuel you start with, know your fuel burn, and 
> > watch the clock.
> > 
> > Larry Flesner
> > P.S. for Robert.  I'll be in Nashville on occasion as my daughter is 
> > moving there next month.  I'd like to visit your project and promise 
> > not to track dirt into your sterile workshop. :-)  
> > 
> > 
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KR> project update

[Chris Prata]

or just buy a precise fuel totalizer! a far better system, which even shows 
GPM, etc.



> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 18:14:37 -0600
> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> Subject: Re: KR> project update
> From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> 
> 
> >  how to use capacitance probes for my wing tanks without placing 
> > them in the tanks.
> 
> ++
> 
> Robert,
> 
> The only possibility I can envision is to have a stand pipe inside 
> the cockpit , connected to the tank , where the level of fuel in the 
> standpipe follows the level in the wing.  In that case, why not just 
> use a site gauge.  I have 7 foot long probes in my wing tanks running 
> from root to tip of the outer wing panel.  Because the tank thickness 
> changes from root to tip, they are not linear.  For wing tanks where 
> the wing has dihedral there is no perfect system, floats or 
> otherwise.  Know what fuel you start with, know your fuel burn, and 
> watch the clock.
> 
> Larry Flesner
> P.S. for Robert.  I'll be in Nashville on occasion as my daughter is 
> moving there next month.  I'd like to visit your project and promise 
> not to track dirt into your sterile workshop. :-)  
> 
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KR> project update

[bjoenunley]

I purchased a gas cap that is also a float type fuel Guage. The fuel quantity 
indicator is displayed on the top of the cap. I look out the window onto the 
wing to see how much fuel that I have left.?



I also use time and fuel burn.?

Joe
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 Original message From: Patrick Driscoll via 
KRnet  Date:01/16/2015  7:01 PM  
(GMT-06:00) To: Robert Pesak ,KRnet  Subject: Re: KR> project update 
Larry advised,   Know what fuel you start with, know your fuel burn, and
watch the clock.

I read somewhere, quite a while ago, that there were no fuel gauges in 
fighter planes until 1948. They flew by fuel burn and time.


Patrick Driscoll
Saint Paul, MN
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KR> project update

[Mark Wegmet]

I don't know why you wouldn't want to have the probes in your tank. There is
no electrical load on the probes nor current passing through the solution
per se. The active part of the sensor is outside of the solution being
measured. It is probably safer and more reliable than any "float" type of
sensor and can be readily calibrated for each element of the probe for
extremely accurate measurements. While I don't have them in a fuel tank, I
have used this type of probe in many other applications including
electroplating, rinsing, sensing, etc. etc. etc..

JMHO

Mark W.
N952MW

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>  how to use capacitance probes for my wing tanks without placing them 
> in the tanks.

++

Robert,

The only possibility I can envision is to have a stand pipe inside the
cockpit , connected to the tank , where the level of fuel in the standpipe
follows the level in the wing.  In that case, why not just use a site gauge.
I have 7 foot long probes in my wing tanks running from root to tip of the
outer wing panel.  Because the tank thickness changes from root to tip, they
are not linear.  For wing tanks where the wing has dihedral there is no
perfect system, floats or otherwise.  Know what fuel you start with, know
your fuel burn, and watch the clock.

Larry Flesner
P.S. for Robert.  I'll be in Nashville on occasion as my daughter is moving
there next month.  I'd like to visit your project and promise not to track
dirt into your sterile workshop. :-)  


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KR> project update

[Flesner]

>  how to use capacitance probes for my wing tanks without placing 
> them in the tanks.

++

Robert,

The only possibility I can envision is to have a stand pipe inside 
the cockpit , connected to the tank , where the level of fuel in the 
standpipe follows the level in the wing.  In that case, why not just 
use a site gauge.  I have 7 foot long probes in my wing tanks running 
from root to tip of the outer wing panel.  Because the tank thickness 
changes from root to tip, they are not linear.  For wing tanks where 
the wing has dihedral there is no perfect system, floats or 
otherwise.  Know what fuel you start with, know your fuel burn, and 
watch the clock.

Larry Flesner
P.S. for Robert.  I'll be in Nashville on occasion as my daughter is 
moving there next month.  I'd like to visit your project and promise 
not to track dirt into your sterile workshop. :-)  

KR> project update

[Dan Heath]

How is that possible.  I had them in my wing tanks and they worked great.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics?

2015 KR Gathering - McMinnville, OR.  September 3 - 6 -- See U There.

Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 
Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN 

Best Interior and Panel at 2008 ? KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN


Daniel R. Heath -?Lexington, SC


-Original Message-

how to use capacitance probes for my wing tanks without placing them in the
tanks. 

KR> project update

[Robert Pesak]

Oh. I should have mentioned the probes are a after thought . My wing tanks 
are part of the leading edge of the wing, and this is the only way without 
major surgery on the wing.
http://s449.photobucket.com/user/rkpsk1/library/ 


On Friday, January 16, 2015 6:39 PM, Robert Pesak  wrote:



Your right Larry, I don't understand why I have everything so complicated. 
Please let me know when coming, my cell number is 615-974-4417

http://s449.photobucket.com/user/rkpsk1/library/ 


On Friday, January 16, 2015 6:15 PM, Flesner via KRnet  wrote:




>  how to use capacitance probes for my wing tanks without placing 
> them in the tanks.

++

Robert,

The only
 possibility I can envision is to have a stand pipe inside 
the cockpit , connected to the tank , where the level of fuel in the 
standpipe follows the level in the wing.  In that case, why not just 
use a site gauge.  I have 7 foot long probes in my wing tanks running 
from root to tip of the outer wing panel.  Because the tank thickness 
changes from root to tip, they are not linear.  For wing tanks where 
the wing has dihedral there is no perfect system, floats or 
otherwise.  Know what fuel you start with, know your fuel burn, and 
watch the clock.

Larry Flesner
P.S. for Robert.  I'll be in Nashville on occasion as my daughter is 
moving there next month.  I'd like to visit your project and promise 
not to
 track dirt into your sterile workshop. :-)  



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KR> project update

[Robert Pesak]

Your right Larry, I don't understand why I have everything so complicated. 
Please let me know when coming, my cell number is 615-974-4417

http://s449.photobucket.com/user/rkpsk1/library/ 


On Friday, January 16, 2015 6:15 PM, Flesner via KRnet  wrote:




>  how to use capacitance probes for my wing tanks without placing 
> them in the tanks.

++

Robert,

The only possibility I can envision is to have a stand pipe inside 
the cockpit , connected to the tank , where the level of fuel in the 
standpipe follows the level in the wing.  In that case, why not just 
use a site gauge.  I have 7 foot long probes in my wing tanks running 
from root to tip of the outer wing panel.  Because the tank thickness 
changes from root to tip, they are not linear.  For wing tanks where 
the wing has dihedral there is no perfect system, floats or 
otherwise.  Know what fuel you start with, know your fuel burn, and 
watch the clock.

Larry Flesner
P.S. for Robert.  I'll be in Nashville on occasion as my daughter is 
moving there next month.  I'd like to visit your project and promise 
not to track dirt into your sterile workshop. :-)  



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KR> project update

[Robert Pesak]

Hi everyone,
I'm trying to get things finished up in my garage because once I get it to the 
hanger it will be much harder. One of the things that's been bugging me for the 
longest is how to use capacitance probes for my wing tanks without placing them 
in the tanks. I thought of a sight gauge type of system by placing the sending 
units in metal tubes and placing them in front of the spar. Then the only thing 
I need to do is drill for a 1/8" fitting at the bottom of the tank next to the 
fuel outlet. See pics on my Photobucket

http://s449.photobucket.com/user/rkpsk1/library/

KR> Project for sale.

[Aaron]

Tried this a couple weeks ago and it didn't get through to the list. I have a 
KR2 project to get rid of. Late 90 serial number and 300 to 400 hours of work 
done. I have almost everything, including the semi-retract gear and a full 
fiberglass kit. Missing only the hardware kit and the epoxy. I needed the hapi 
engine for my project but the seller wouldn't separate. Lots of pics available. 
Project is in West Plains,Mo. Will consider any reasonable offer to get it out 
of my shop.

Aaron
Amossman at email.com

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KR> Project update

[Dan Heath]

KRs just keep getting better all the time.  Great work.



See N64KR at   http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
the pics 



Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 



Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC





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Try this link for my photobucket

 
http://s449.photobucket.com/user/rkpsk1/slideshow/

KR> Project update

[Paul Visk]

Nice pics Robert. ?I like your paint booth.?

Paul Visk
Belleville Il
618 406 4705


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 Original message From: Robert Pesak via KRnet 
 Date:06/29/2014  8:30 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: KRnet at list.krnet.org Subject: KR> Project update 

Try this link for my photobucket
http://s449.photobucket.com/user/rkpsk1/slideshow/
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KR> Project update

[Robert Pesak]

Try this link for my photobucket
http://s449.photobucket.com/user/rkpsk1/slideshow/

KR> Project

[Eric James Pitts]

Yes Mark you get first crack at it, start saving!

?
Eric Pitts
Terre Haute, Ind.

"Life should NOT be a  journey to the grave  with the  intention of arriving  
safely in an attractive and well  preserved body, but  rather to skid in 
sideways, chocolate in one hand,  body thoroughly used up, totally worn  out 
and screaming "WOO HOO what a  ride!"

KR> Bob Lee & KR project for sell

[Bob Lee]

Hello -

My name is Cheryl Lee and I am writing on behalf on my husband Bob Lee.  He
is a fellow aircraft builder and is part of these mailing lists.  Some of
you have met him over the years at the KR Gatherings and he has handled the
KR Gathering webiste up until this year.  Late last fall Bob began not
feeling to well.  He had open heart surgery 2 years ago and thought
something might be up with his heart.  So he started seeing his
cardiologist.  He thought he was feeling some better but I didn't really see
much improvement.  In March I had to take him to the hospital and he was
found to be anemic and dehydrated.  They found out he had some ulcers that
were bleeding in his stomach that was causing him to be anemic.  While
finding that out they saw something suspicious on his pancreas and liver.
They brought in an oncologist and did a liver bioposy as they suspected
cancer.  They got his stable and sent us home and we were to get the results
of the bioposy a week later.  We never even suspected cancer.  The day
before we were to get the results from the liver bioposy Bob had a huge
stroke in the left frontal lobe.  This affected his memory, communication
skills and processing skills.  For 5 to 6 days he did not know who he was or
any of his family.  Then finally he started to recognize me and our 3
children.  He has finally started to recognize other immediate family and a
very few friends.  He spent two weeks in the hospital trying to get his
blood stabilized and start therapy.  About 2 weeks ago we moved his to a
rehab center to continue with PT, OT, and speech therapy.  The communication
going in still gets messed up.  Sometimes he understands and others times he
doesn't.  He knows enough to tell you he doesn't understand you or know you.
His speech going out has gotten better but he doesn't always express himself
correctly.  The memory has a long way to go. He doesn't read or write much
as some of this has affect his vision as well.  His balance and walking has
greatly improved and he doesn't need a walker or cane.  Late in the day he
needs assistance as he gets tired.  Hopefully he will be coming home this
upcoming week and we will have in home therapy to continue his progress.  I
will be here with him and working with him as well as he can not drive.  We
have to master things like stairs in our house, taking care of his hygiene
and even the simple things of putting clothes on correctly. He has come a
long way and is doing better each day.  He is heading in the right
direction.  We are working toward his recovery from the stroke and in the
next two weeks will be getting a second opinion on cancer treatment.  They
have a Cancer Care Center in Newnan (an houraway from us) that we will be
going to if they will take him.  I am not sure due to the stroke if he
remembers the possibility of having cancer.

In my work, I am a contractor.  I have no insurance.  All our insurance is
up under Bob right now.  He will not be going back to work as a bus driver
this fall and therfore his benefits will expire.  I am looking to go back to
work then so we will get benefits under me.  Right now my main concern is to
help him recover as much as possible from the stroke and start some cancer
treatments.  When all this came down my children and I were devasted.  But
since then we have pulled together and become strong for Bob with the help
of our family, friends, and neighbors.  The high school that our youngest
son attends is dedicating a baseball game to him come next Friday night,
April 11.  They are taking donations on our behalf.  Please visit the site
of www.eteamz.com/lambertbaseball. The medical bills are coming in and with
our wonderful Obamacare, we have our fair share to pay.  Please donate to
our cause so that I can stay home and take care of Bob to help him more
forward in his recovery.  Any and all donations will be greatly appreciated
no matter the amount.

I do not think that Bob will ever finish his airplane much less fly it.  I
need to sell it as that will help with our medical expenses and mortgage
payments as well.  He has alot of information and pictures of his project on
his website of www.flyboybob.com.  Please go out and view it and pass it
along to anyone who would be interested in buying his project.  He has the
body with retractable landing gear, Steve Bennett motor, Dan Diehl wing
skins, and a nice insturment panel.  I will have to look for the plans.  I
even have some tools that can be purchased as well if a buyer needs them to
help finish the plane.  I do not have a price yet as I need to talk with a
few builders to find out what a fair price would be.  We live Suwanee
Georgia and will be glad to have anyone comelook at the project.  Please
feel free to respond to this email or you may contact me via my personal
email of shortbus1017 at gmail.com or my cell number is 404-538-1434.  I will
be responding to all interested as Bob doesn't understand how to use a cell
phone or his computer right 

KR> Project for sale

[iflyexp at gmail.com]

Not sure if this made it through the first time. If so then I'm sorry the added 
traffic on the site.

Ok guys, the first one to jump on this one is going to get one heck of a deal. 
A friend has decided that age is catching up so he is selling his KR2 project. 
The fuselage is in boat stage, the tail looks pretty much done, elevator and 
rudder controls done landing gear, wheels and tires installed, I think he has a 
fiberglass seat, spars are done, the top of both outer wings have foam 
installed and sanded you just need to install the foam on the under side, he 
will also throw in a few miscellaneous things like a roll of fiberglass and I'm 
not sure what else. His craftsmanship on this is super. He appears to have done 
things right. If you are looking for a really good project then this one will 
give you a great head start. A lot has been done. He is only asking $1,700.00. 
He has a lot more in it and if you ask me this is a good deal.
If you are interested please contact him direct.
Dave Coulson
Email him atcoulsonairmotive at hotmail.com
Phone 740-704-2370
He is located in Zanesville Ohio
Bob / Frazeysburg Ohio

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KR> Project up for sale

[Bob]

Ok guys, the first one to jump on this one is going to get one heck of a deal. 
A friend has decided that age is catching up so he is selling his KR2 project. 
The fuselage is in boat stage, the tail looks pretty much done, elevator and 
rudder controls done landing gear, wheels and tires installed, I think he has a 
fiberglass seat, spars are done, the top of both outer wings have foam 
installed and sanded you just need to install the foam on the under side, he 
will also throw in a few miscellaneous things like a roll of fiberglass and I'm 
not sure what else. His craftsmanship on this is super. He appears to have done 
things right. If you are looking for a really good project then this one will 
give you a great head start. A lot has been done. He is only asking $1,700.00. 
He has a lot more in it and if you ask me this is a good deal.
If you are interested please contact him direct.
Dave Coulson
Email him at coulsonairmotive at hotmail.com
Phone 740-704-2370
He is located in Zanesville Ohio
Bob / Frazeysburg Ohio

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KR> KR project for sale

[Virgil N.Salisbury]

 This was  the second plane that Jim Owen built, Virg


 On 10/29/2013 1:07 PM, Mark Langford wrote:
> Gary Sherrill wrote:
>
>> I'll take it! Unless you're in China or somewhere!!
> Not to be a doomsayer, but I've seen KR projects that included gear that
> weren't worth the gas to drive to the next county to pick them up!  I'd say
> there's a good chance you'll get lucky though...
>
> Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
> ML at N56ML.com
> www.N56ML.com
>
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KR> KR project for sale

[Virgil N.Salisbury]

 The gentleman is Tom Hall in Springfield Mo. I just got a call from 
him.
 It is a KR-2 started by Jim Owen. Grove gear w/wheels and tires, 
Tinted
 canopy, Instrument panel and other things as previously mentioned. An
 easy more than a $2,000.00 value. He wants to concrete his hangar floor
 this winter and has to get rid of the project. Call and offer him a 
fair price
 and pick it up quickly, Virg He is at 417-353-8903


 On 10/29/2013 12:36 PM, I Fly KR's wrote:
> Sorry. Phone is (417)353-8903
>
>> On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:26, I Fly KR's  wrote:
>>
>> This gentleman has a KR project for sale he inherited from his dad's estate. 
>> Apparently fuselage and tail are complete with landing gear. That's all I 
>> know. He mentioned somewhere in the neighborhood of $400.
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KR> KR project for sale

[Mark Langford]

Gary Sherrill wrote:

> I'll take it! Unless you're in China or somewhere!!

Not to be a doomsayer, but I've seen KR projects that included gear that
weren't worth the gas to drive to the next county to pick them up!  I'd say
there's a good chance you'll get lucky though...

Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
ML at N56ML.com
www.N56ML.com  

KR> KR project for sale

[Tulsa Turbine]

Just up t he road from me, I'll take a chance. Maybe get some BBQ on the
way!!
Lol

Gary

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Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 12:07 PM
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: Re: KR> KR project for sale

Gary Sherrill wrote:

> I'll take it! Unless you're in China or somewhere!!

Not to be a doomsayer, but I've seen KR projects that included gear that
weren't worth the gas to drive to the next county to pick them up!  I'd say
there's a good chance you'll get lucky though...

Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
ML at N56ML.com
www.N56ML.com  




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KR> KR project for sale

[Tulsa Turbine]

I'll take it!

Gary Sherrill

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Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:26 AM
To: KRnet
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This gentleman has a KR project for sale he inherited from his dad's estate.
Apparently fuselage and tail are complete with landing gear. That's all I
know. He mentioned somewhere in the neighborhood of $400. 

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KR> KR project for sale

[I Fly KR's]

Sorry. Phone is (417)353-8903

> On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:26, I Fly KR's  wrote:
> 
> This gentleman has a KR project for sale he inherited from his dad's estate. 
> Apparently fuselage and tail are complete with landing gear. That's all I 
> know. He mentioned somewhere in the neighborhood of $400. 
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KR> KR project for sale

[I Fly KR's]

This gentleman has a KR project for sale he inherited from his dad's estate. 
Apparently fuselage and tail are complete with landing gear. That's all I know. 
He mentioned somewhere in the neighborhood of $400. 

KR> KR project for sale

[I Fly KR's]

This gentleman has a KR project for sale he inherited from his dad's estate. 
Apparently fuselage and tail are complete with landing gear. That's all I know. 
He mentioned somewhere in the neighborhood of $400. 

KR> project for sale

[Mark Langford]

Matt Lenz wrote:

>Is it allowable to mention a project for sale on the krnet mailing list?

Sure, no problem.  KRs is why we're here...

Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
ML at N56ML.com
www.N56ML.com   

KR> project for sale

[Matt Lenz]

Is it allowable to mention a project for sale on the krnet mailing list?

Thanks,

Matt Lenz
Orlando, Florida

KR> project for sale

[brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com]

KR> Project Sold

[Robert Boyd]

Just wanted to let everyone know that my KR2-S project has just sold.
Thanks to all who inquired and to all of the help and advice in the past.
If for some reason the sale does not occur I will re post it in the fall.
thanks
Bob in Frazeysburg.

KR> Project for sale

[Robert Boyd]

Thanks Wayne i have all pics still on camera. I was in a hurry to get
things on the page for folks to see. I have had a lot of interest so far.
Bob



On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Wayne  wrote:

> Bob, that is beautiful! Are you a cabinet maker?
>
> IMO, your project is well worth the asking price. I just wish I could do
> it myself.
>
> BTW, some of your pics are upside down, I downloaded and corrected them.
> If you like I can zip them and send them to you. You will need broadband,
> it's 51.9mb.
> Good luck,
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
> > KR> Project for sale
> > Robert Boyd iflyexp at gmail.com
> > Wed Jul 10 07:16:13 EDT 2013
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> > If interested please let me know.
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> >
> > Bob
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KR> Project for sale

[Wayne]

Bob, that is beautiful! Are you a cabinet maker?

IMO, your project is well worth the asking price. I just wish I could do 
it myself.

BTW, some of your pics are upside down, I downloaded and corrected them. 
If you like I can zip them and send them to you. You will need 
broadband, it's 51.9mb.
Good luck,

Wayne



 > KR> Project for sale
 > Robert Boyd iflyexp at gmail.com
 > Wed Jul 10 07:16:13 EDT 2013
 >
 > Previous message: KR> For Sale
 > Next message: KR> Project for sale
 > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
 > I put some pics and info about my KR2-S project on a web site.
 > If interested please let me know.
 > https://sites.google.com/site/bobskr2s/home
 >
 > Bob

KR> Project for sale

[Robert Boyd]

I put some pics and info about my KR2-S project on a web site.
If interested please let me know.
https://sites.google.com/site/bobskr2s/home

Bob

KR> Project for sale

[Larry Flesner]

>I put some pics and info about my KR2-S project on a web site.
>https://sites.google.com/site/bobskr2s/home
>Bob
++

Looks like you've done a great job on what you have. Too bad you 
can't finish it.  I'm sure someone will snatch it up and drive away smiling.

Larry Flesner

KR> Sam Sayer's KR project will live..and fly

[kr2pi...@gmail.com]

Wow, I just saw this post. Yep, Sam Sayer top shelf designer, builder/invented, 
a lot of other qualities, but most of all wonderful person. He let my wife and 
I stay at his place for Sun-n-fun back in about 2003 or so when my previously 
arranged place fell through. I am sure our Lord is taking good care of him.

My 2 cents.

Sent from my HTC

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From: "tommy waymack" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tue, Jun 11, 2013 9:35 am
Subject: KR> Sam Sayer's KR project will live..and fly
To: "KRnet" 

Glad to here Sam's plane is still around.Sam was a good friend and KR
supporter as well as a good engineer.He is a member of the Michigan
Motorsports Hall of Fame.Tommy W.

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Jerry Prado  wrote:

> Just a quick message to the group that my friend of 30+ years, Larry Creech
> and I have purchased Sam Sayer's KR2S project.
>
> We managed to pry it from the (less than honest Russ Houck ) hands of the
> previous owner.
>
> The engine was assembled around 2003 with some assistance from WW.  The
> airframe looks good. We tried to trailer it home last weekend but the wasp
> nests overwhelmed us.. I will post pics soon.
>
> Jerry H. Prado
> Prado Engineering
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KR> Project Log Website, Try 2

[Dave_A]

New site is http://dcacklam.comoj.com/

Google sites is kind of messed up, so I just copied the page over to a 
new provider

Will de-googlify it later today...

This is all of what I've done with my plane - text & pics...

KR> project update

[bdazzca...@aol.com]

I cant imagine your shipping costs. must be doubling your costs.


David Swanson
Tucson, AZ




In a message dated 1/4/2012 4:20:57 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
rkp...@comcast.net writes:



I try to be really nice to my UPS lady because, she carried  every part of 
my KR to the front door. 

Robert Pesak 

Hermitage,  Tn 

http://photobucket.com/robertskrs  

KR> project update/ propeller

[Larry Flesner]

Seeing the photo of Robert's prop reminded me of a tip I may have 
posted in the past but it bares repeating.  It is a good idea when 
ordering a prop to have the maker put a flat black paint finish on 
the back side of the blades to cut down glare.  My landing lights are 
inboard of the prop arc and the first time I taxied it after dark all 
I could see was a 60 inch diameter wood colored arc in front of 
me.  I even got some glare when flying with my back to the sun on a 
day with no cloud cover.

Larry Flesner

KR> project update

[rkp...@comcast.net]

I try to be really nice to my UPS lady because, she carried every part of my KR 
to the front door. 

Robert Pesak 

Hermitage, Tn 

http://photobucket.com/robertskrs 



  

- Original Message -




From: "Jeff Scott" <jscott.pla...@gmx.com> 
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 5:05:49 PM 
Subject: Re: KR> project update 

Congratulations! Your plane is looking like we should be seeing it in Mt Vernon 
this fall. 

 I've had the same situation, except Fed Ex had rammed the prop through the end 
of the crate, then broke 4" off the tip. It took 4 months, several rounds of 
appeals, and a see you in court notice with Fed Ex Ground before they finally 
paid for it. Glad yours wasn't damaged. 

 -Jeff Scott 

- Original Message - 
From: rkp...@comcast.net 
Sent: 01/04/12 03:42 PM 
To: krnet 
Subject: KR> project update 

 Hi Everyone, Just a update on my project. Last Friday the UPS Lady carried a 
long box up to the front door,I ordered a 60" x 68" pitch from Ed Sterba, after 
she handed it over I seen a hole punched through the 1/4 plywood.I thought this 
can't be,she was nice enough to stay lone enough while I remover about thirty 
screws to check every thing out. IT LOOKS GREAT! The only thing I need before I 
can start cutting on the prop spinner is the front bulk head. HAPPY NEW YEAR 
EVERYONE. Robert Pesak Hermitage, Tn http://photobucket.com/robertskrs 
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KR> project update

[Jeff Scott]

Congratulations! Your plane is looking like we should be seeing it in Mt Vernon 
this fall.

 I've had the same situation, except Fed Ex had rammed the prop through the end 
of the crate, then broke 4" off the tip. It took 4 months, several rounds of 
appeals, and a see you in court notice with Fed Ex Ground before they finally 
paid for it. Glad yours wasn't damaged.

 -Jeff Scott

- Original Message -
From: rkp...@comcast.net
Sent: 01/04/12 03:42 PM
To: krnet
Subject: KR> project update

 Hi Everyone, Just a update on my project. Last Friday the UPS Lady carried a 
long box up to the front door,I ordered a 60" x 68" pitch from Ed Sterba, after 
she handed it over I seen a hole punched through the 1/4 plywood.I thought this 
can't be,she was nice enough to stay lone enough while I remover about thirty 
screws to check every thing out. IT LOOKS GREAT! The only thing I need before I 
can start cutting on the prop spinner is the front bulk head. HAPPY NEW YEAR 
EVERYONE. Robert Pesak Hermitage, Tn http://photobucket.com/robertskrs

KR> project update

[rkp...@comcast.net]

Hi Everyone, 

 Just a update on my project. Last Friday the UPS Lady carried a long box up to 
the front door,I ordered a 60" x 68" pitch from Ed Sterba, after she handed it 
over I seen a hole punched through the 1/4 plywood.I thought this can't be,she 
was nice enough to stay lone enough while I remover about thirty screws to 
check every thing out. IT LOOKS GREAT! The only thing I need before I can start 
cutting on the prop spinner is the front bulk head. 

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE. 

Robert Pesak 

Hermitage, Tn 

http://photobucket.com/robertskrs

KR> project update

[rkp...@comcast.net]

Hi Everyone, 

 Just a update on my project. Last Friday the UPS Lady carried a long box up to 
the front door,I ordered a 60" x 68" pitch from Ed Sterba, after she handed it 
over I seen a hole punched through the 1/4 plywood.I thought this can't be,she 
was nice enough to stay lone enough while I remover about thirty screws to 
check every thing out. IT LOOKS GREAT! The only thing I need before I can start 
cutting on the prop spinner is the front bulk head. 

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE. 

Robert Pesak 

Hermitage, Tn 

http://photobucket.com/robertskrs

KR> project for sale

[rkend...@bendbroadband.com]

PS: I also have the plans that goes with everything.
Russ

KR> project for sale

[rkend...@bendbroadband.com]

Here's some photos of the parts, the plywood is birch and is still in the box 
from Aircraft Spruce. I'm not sure these photos will post.
Russ

KR> project for sale

[rkend...@bendbroadband.com]

Hi everyone,
   I'm selling my project, boat sides framed, todds dragonfly canopy (clear), 
trigear, 2 corvair cores, plywood. I'm selling the lot for $1,500. 
I can't ship must be picked up here in Bend Oregon.
Russ
rkend...@bendbroadband.com

KR> Ron Freibergers KR project

[L. D. Mueller]

Yes Jon, you do have Ron's KR project. I had talked with Ron shortly after I
got the project about widening to boat. --not a task that I wanted to
undertake and sold it to you.

Larry Mueller

Cuba City WI

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Jon Sanders
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 1:52 PM
To: KR net
Subject: KR> Ron Freibergers KR project

Jim,

I think the KR2S project I have was your  father's. Will look through the 
paperwork today to verify.

Jon Sanders
contact me off the Net.  jsand...@gvtc.com 



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KR> Ron Freibergers KR project

[Jon Sanders]

Jim,

I think the KR2S project I have was your  father's. Will look through the 
paperwork today to verify.

Jon Sanders
contact me off the Net.  jsand...@gvtc.com 

KR> Ron Freibergers KR Project

[Jim Freiberger]

Hello KR fans, My name is James Freiberger and am the son of the late Ron 
Freiberger who I think many of you may know. My father sold his KR project 
years ago on ebay, and my siblings and I have no idea who the purchaser was. I 
would like to inquire as to weather any one here on the KR-net knows the 
whereabouts of his project and who owns it now. Im hoping that the purchaser 
followed my dads advise and looked to the great people here for advise. I know 
my dad thought alot of the people he got to know through this forum and it 
really helped ease the loss of his flying certificate to help others out with 
technical questions, it was his was to stay involved in aviation, and meant 
more than most will ever know, for that I thank you all.
If anyone knows where his project may be Id sure appreciate it to hear from you.
Cheers
James R. Freiberger Sr.

KR> project status

[AVLEC]

Jeff,
I made my turtle deck very similar to yours. I made a framework by cutting
four squares of 1/4'' ply all the same size. I marked out the turtledeck
shape at each of the four stations and then cut out the shapes. I then built
up a framework from a few 2x4 bits of scrap pine that positioned the four
plies at the correct distances from each other. Into this I forced a sheet
of the thinnest galvanized sheet I could find and fastened it in place. Into
this I laid up two layers of  200g BID.
while this was getting tacky I took a sheet of 3/8 foam and ripped it into
20mm strips. I then took these strips and laid them up onto the previously
laid glass using micro slurry as adhesive. It looks just like a classic
yacht hull when finished. After this had cured, I sanded the inside smooth
and laid up one layer of 200g BID (after vacuuming up all the dust). After
this had cured for two days I removed it from the jig/mould, trimmed it and
fit it to the fuselage. I havn't weighed it but it is extremely light and I
am sure that I could stand on top of it without it breaking. A bonus was the
outside surface is perfectly smooth and shiny so no sanding.
Regards
Dene Collett
KR2SRT builder
South africa
Whisper assembler
See: www.whisperaircraft.com
mailto: av...@telkomsa.net
- Original Message -
From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" <wilder_j...@msn.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 4:04 PM
Subject: KR> project status


>
> well all, I think I have a winner!  I've attempted to make a turtle deck,
> this is now the 3 attempt.

KR> project status

[Dan Heath]

Any pics of that process.  Sounds interesting. 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2007 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---

From: AVLEC
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 06/07/07 00:03:49
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> project status

Jeff,
I made my turtle deck very similar to yours. I made a framework by cutting
four squares of 1/4'' ply all the same size. I marked out the turtledeck
shape at each of the four stations and then cut out the shapes. I then built
up a framework from a few 2x4 bits of scrap pine that positioned the four
plies at the correct distances from each other. Into this I forced a sheet
of the thinnest galvanized sheet I could find and fastened it in place. Into
this I laid up two layers of  200g BID.
while this was getting tacky I took a sheet of 3/8 foam and ripped it into
20mm strips. I then took these strips and laid them up onto the previously
laid glass using micro slurry as adhesive. It looks just like a classic
yacht hull when finished. After this had cured, I sanded the inside smooth
and laid up one layer of 200g BID (after vacuuming up all the dust). After
this had cured for two days I removed it from the jig/mould, trimmed it and
fit it to the fuselage. I havn't weighed it but it is extremely light and I
am sure that I could stand on top of it without it breaking. A bonus was the
outside surface is perfectly smooth and shiny so no sanding.
Regards
Dene Collett
KR2SRT builder
South africa
Whisper assembler
See: www.whisperaircraft.com
mailto: av...@telkomsa.net
- Original Message -
From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" <wilder_j...@msn.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 4:04 PM
Subject: KR> project status


>
> well all, I think I have a winner!  I've attempted to make a turtle deck,
> this is now the 3 attempt.




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KR> project status

[Phil Matheson]

Jeff wrote
well all, I think I have a winner!  I've attempted to make a turtle deck, 
this is now the 3 attempt.

Check out how Scott Cable did his deck.
My deck is very similar. Very light.


http://krbuilder.org/ScottCable/index.html

Phil Matheson
SAAA Ch. 20
VH-PKR
Australia

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KR> project status

[D Lively]

Mike:

As with anything you do there are many ways to "Skin the Cat" and many ways ave 
been used to get to the end result depending onwhat tools, materials, methods 
and skills you have available and many different approaches have been used .  I 
suggest that you use the KRnet fvenue and review the many approachs you find 
there and even inquire of those whose work and advice you find presented there. 
 Many Mods, Tricks and approaches are shared and have led to very good finished 
examples all around the world.

Don Lively
Burlington IA



- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Taglieri" <mctagli...@gmail.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: KR> project status


> Do most people here think  the instructions in the plans on how to
> make the turtle deck are not a good way to do it?
> 
> Mike Taglieri
> 
> On 6/6/07, AVLEC <av...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> Jeff,
>> I made my turtle deck very similar to yours. I made a framework by cutting
>> four squares of 1/4'' ply all the same size. I marked out the turtledeck
>> shape at each of the four stations and then cut out the shapes. I then built
>> up a framework from a few 2x4 bits of scrap pine that positioned the four
>> plies at the correct distances from each other. Into this I forced a sheet
>> of the thinnest galvanized sheet I could find and fastened it in place. Into
>> this I laid up two layers of  200g BID.
>> while this was getting tacky I took a sheet of 3/8 foam and ripped it into
>> 20mm strips. I then took these strips and laid them up onto the previously
>> laid glass using micro slurry as adhesive. It looks just like a classic
>> yacht hull when finished. After this had cured, I sanded the inside smooth
>> and laid up one layer of 200g BID (after vacuuming up all the dust). After
>> this had cured for two days I removed it from the jig/mould, trimmed it and
>> fit it to the fuselage. I havn't weighed it but it is extremely light and I
>> am sure that I could stand on top of it without it breaking. A bonus was the
>> outside surface is perfectly smooth and shiny so no sanding.
>> Regards
>> Dene Collett
>> KR2SRT builder
>> South africa
>> Whisper assembler
>> See: www.whisperaircraft.com
>> mailto: av...@telkomsa.net
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" <wilder_j...@msn.com>
>> To: <kr...@mylist.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 4:04 PM
>> Subject: KR> project status
>>
>>
>> >
>> > well all, I think I have a winner!  I've attempted to make a turtle deck,
>> > this is now the 3 attempt.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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KR> project status

[wilder_jeff Wilder]

well all, I think I have a winner!  I've attempted to make a turtle deck, 
this is now the 3 attempt.

I dont feel the need to go into detail as to why the first 2 failed, lets 
just say that polyester resins melts monokote. Over a male mold... it looks 
great, after the piece is pulled... Um... well its not good.  It takes too 
much cloth and resin to make a free standing peiece, that doesnt weigh 18 
lbs.

What I ended up doing was this:

I built a female mold, much like Mark L's first attempt. Mark said that he 
really could have used a vacuum pump to pull it up close.  I didnt have a 
pump either, so what I ended up with was

I built this female mold, I went to home depot and purchased a 4x8 sheet of 
3/4 foam. I set my blade on the table saw to about 30 degrees. So to 
minimize the gaps as it curves around the shape of the mold.  This foam has 
a thin plastic sheet on either side. I ran the foam through the table saw 
and cut it into 3in strips. I picked up a can of 3M spray adheasive. I 
sprayed just enough to keep the 3in strips of foam in contact with the 
female mold, keeping the plastic sheet on both sides. The foam in small 
pieces is able to bend and maintain, without pulling away. Thus negatting 
the need for a vacumm

Once the entire surface of the mold was covered and the end pieces trimed, I 
pulled the plastic sheet off of the exposed surface. I then layed 1 sheet 
glass on the inside. After its cured, I worked the foam away from the 
plastic on the underside that has been attached to the mold with the spray 
adheasive. This took a bit of time but was not difficult to do.


Once removed, I mixed up a heavy slury of microspheres and epoxy to close 
the small gaps between the foam, its a minimal gap because the mating 
surface are mated 30 degrees. After a few thin coats of mico... I layed a 
single sheet of 8.5 oz cloth and a sheet of deck cloth ontop and epoxied in 
place.

Why I thought to convey my method is it cost me 8 bucks for the foam and 
I didnt have to shave foam making a heckofa mess.

The final weight will be around 8-10 lbs after the bulkheads are installed.

for what its worth.

-Jeff

KR> project status

[Larry H.]

Jeff, just so you will know, I did some tests with the same foam you are 
talking about. That foam has no peel strength. You can take a hold of the glass 
cloth on a corner and peel the fiberglass cloth right off of that foam with 
very little effort. I doubt it has very much sheer strength either.  Klegicell 
or Divinycell foams are much superior for your application. Just my thoughts.
Larry H.


- Original Message 
From: wilder_jeff Wilder <wilder_j...@msn.com>
KR> project status


well all, I think I have a winner!  I've attempted to make a turtle deck, 
this is now the 3 attempt.

I dont feel the need to go into detail as to why the first 2 failed, lets 
just say that polyester resins melts monokote. Over a male mold... it looks 
great, after the piece is pulled... Um... well its not good.  It takes too 
much cloth and resin to make a free standing peiece, that doesnt weigh 18 
lbs.

What I ended up doing was this:

I built a female mold, much like Mark L's first attempt. Mark said that he 
really could have used a vacuum pump to pull it up close.  I didnt have a 
pump either, so what I ended up with was

I built this female mold, I went to home depot and purchased a 4x8 sheet of 
3/4 foam. I set my blade on the table saw to about 30 degrees. So to 
minimize the gaps as it curves around the shape of the mold.  This foam has 
a thin plastic sheet on either side. I ran the foam through the table saw 
and cut it into 3in strips. I picked up a can of 3M spray adheasive. I 
sprayed just enough to keep the 3in strips of foam in contact with the 
female mold, keeping the plastic sheet on both sides. The foam in small 
pieces is able to bend and maintain, without pulling away. Thus negatting 
the need for a vacumm

Once the entire surface of the mold was covered and the end pieces trimed, I 
pulled the plastic sheet off of the exposed surface. I then layed 1 sheet 
glass on the inside. After its cured, I worked the foam away from the 
plastic on the underside that has been attached to the mold with the spray 
adheasive. This took a bit of time but was not difficult to do.


Once removed, I mixed up a heavy slury of microspheres and epoxy to close 
the small gaps between the foam, its a minimal gap because the mating 
surface are mated 30 degrees. After a few thin coats of mico... I layed a 
single sheet of 8.5 oz cloth and a sheet of deck cloth ontop and epoxied in 
place.

Why I thought to convey my method is it cost me 8 bucks for the foam and 
I didnt have to shave foam making a heckofa mess.

The final weight will be around 8-10 lbs after the bulkheads are installed.

for what its worth.

-Jeff



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KR> Project

[Eric Kelsheimer]

   I have my eye on a project that was started many years ago that is 
in a hanger waiting to be finished. My question is if I purchace this project 
how should I go about getting it certified? Should I let on as though I have 
built the entire thing, having it inspected as I go form this point on or what? 
As I understand it, it is past the boat stage with the tail feathers built but 
not attached as well as one wing finished and the other ready to be covered.  I 
dont know if there is very much documentation on what has been done but I will 
find all that out when I go look at the project. What do you guys think the 
best aproach would be for this type of project? Thanks for your reply  

KR> Project

[Robert Evans]

It is not a shameful thing to buy someone else's project and complete it. I
myself bought one that was to the point of ready for taxi runs. It matters
not to the inspector whether you built it completely or not, only whether or
not it will pass his inspection. You do not have to let on like you were the
original starter of the project, there is no need or benefit to this. Once
you get your hands on the project and it belongs to you, continue with the
build. If asked, just tell the truth, you picked it up at 45%,50% or
whatever stage it's in. The finished product is what you're going to show
anyways, and that's what the inspector will be looking at. Just pay
attention to detail, pick our brains here on the net as needed, and get that
bird ready to fly. My 200 yen's worth

Bob
N339RJ

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Eric Kelsheimer
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:14 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Project 

   I have my eye on a project that was started many years ago that
is in a hanger waiting to be finished. My question is if I purchace this
project how should I go about getting it certified? Should I let on as
though I have built the entire thing, having it inspected as I go form this
point on or what? As I understand it, it is past the boat stage with the
tail feathers built but not attached as well as one wing finished and the
other ready to be covered.  I dont know if there is very much documentation
on what has been done but I will find all that out when I go look at the
project. What do you guys think the best aproach would be for this type of
project? Thanks for your reply  
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KR> Project

[Eric Kelsheimer]

 Thanks for your reply's, I was more worried about the 
documentation portion of this thing than anything else. How do I prove that the 
parts that are built are built to standards if he dont have any proof of how 
they were built through photos etc. Im ok with his work as I know the guy but 
the inspector might not if they ask questions at the time I have them come and 
look it over. As I understand it they should see everything as it is built 
before it is covered or am I missing something here ? Eric 

KR> Project

[Solly Melyon]

Eric,
  The FAA leaves it up to you to make sure the parts and structures are built 
to the kit mfg. standards.  You are not requested to show any construction logs 
with pictures or any engineering  documantations.
  The FAA inspector or DAR will visually inspect the AC.  He will ask you to 
remove the cowl and inpect FWFD and then ask you to start the engine and 
inspect that everything shows correct on it's gauges. while the engine is 
running.  
  You will have to have all your documents and application ready (you have 
plenty of time to prepare those)
  From what I read  about the project you have more than 51% of the different 
tasks (I did not say 51% of the amount of work left)  in the project left to be 
done so you  can be candid about buying it at the current stage. 
  Enjoy it
  Solly

Eric Kelsheimer  wrote:
  Thanks for your reply's, I was more worried about the documentation portion 
of this thing than anything else. How do I prove that the parts that are built 
are built to standards if he dont have any proof of how they were built through 
photos etc. Im ok with his work as I know the guy but the inspector might not 
if they ask questions at the time I have them come and look it over. As I 
understand it they should see everything as it is built before it is covered or 
am I missing something here ? Eric 
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[bstone_ykk_...@bellsouth.net]

Eric, I also bought a KR started by someone else. To get it registered you will 
need the complete paper trail from Rand Robinson to you. This means the bill of 
sale from each owner. Otherwise you will be asked to explain why you cant get 
the information. I had to do some explaining but got mine registered.
Mine is now ready for final inspection.

Brad Stone
N2644C
Madison, Ms.
> 
> From: "Eric Kelsheimer" <erickelshei...@hughes.net>
> Date: 2007/02/14 Wed PM 01:00:21 EST
> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Subject: KR> Project
> 
>  Thanks for your reply's, I was more worried about the 
> documentation portion of this thing than anything else. How do I prove that 
> the parts that are built are built to standards if he dont have any proof of 
> how they were built through photos etc. Im ok with his work as I know the guy 
> but the inspector might not if they ask questions at the time I have them 
> come and look it over. As I understand it they should see everything as it is 
> built before it is covered or am I missing something here ? Eric 
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KR> Project - AWC

[Steve Bray]

Not to disagree..but...

Here in Jackson the local repair shop owner who took over the business from 
his father as in he's been it all his life told me
He recently became a DAR although he's never done one as yet. In just 
getting the DAR I would have to ASSUME he is up on the latest rules.

He is aware of my KR, how I got it and looked it over when I got it. I asked 
him about 51% and the paperwork and he told me the rules are not as they 
were and all I needed to do was write a letter saying I built this airplane 
for recreational flying or something to that effect.  I'm fairly sure he 
told me the paper trail requirements were nothing as tight as they once 
were.
Another DAR that I visit that builds Long Easy's and has lots of experience 
as a DAR and knows about my partially completed KR told me to send my paper 
work and pictures, not a computer disk,
ahead of the inspection. Didn't show any interest in who was in the pictures 
as long as I was in some of them.

I got the impression from both of them that if I could answer all the 
questions about the airplane
it wouldn't be a problem. I took this to mean that if I knew the airplane 
from one end to the other
they were happy.  That is a real good idea if I'm gonna fly it anyway.

These are not the people you deal with on a repairman ticket so that may be 
another deal all together. There are a couple of friends here flying two 
place Challengers now without N numbers and they tell me the FAA is pushing, 
read cutting some slack, to get these heavy/illegal ultra-lights
numbered before 1/30/08.  I know this isn't KR stuff but some people have 
more than on airplane.

These are the possible mis-conceptions under which I labor, I hope they are 
not mis-conceptions.

Steve Bray
Jackson, Tennessee

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KR> Project

[Dan Heath]

I bought a project that was not finished, you can see what it looked like on
my web site.  I finished it and got a letter from the previous owner stating
that I had done 51 percent of the work.  I don't think that was necessary,
but it is what the inspector asked for. 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2007 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---

From: Eric Kelsheimer
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 02/14/07 12:15:22
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Project

   I have my eye on a project that was started many years ago that
is in a hanger waiting to be finished. My question is if I purchace this
project how should I go about getting it certified? Should I let on as
though I have built the entire thing, having it inspected as I go form this
point on or what? As I understand it, it is past the boat stage with the
tail feathers built but not attached as well as one wing finished and the
other ready to be covered.  I dont know if there is very much documentation
on what has been done but I will find all that out when I go look at the
project. What do you guys think the best aproach would be for this type of
project? Thanks for your reply
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[Solly Melyon]

51% Rule does not mean 51% of the work but rather 51% of the tasks required to 
build the airplane.
  solly

Dan Heath <da...@alltel.net> wrote:
  I bought a project that was not finished, you can see what it looked like on
my web site. I finished it and got a letter from the previous owner stating
that I had done 51 percent of the work. I don't think that was necessary,
but it is what the inspector asked for. 

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See you at the 2007 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---

From: Eric Kelsheimer
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 02/14/07 12:15:22
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Project

I have my eye on a project that was started many years ago that
is in a hanger waiting to be finished. My question is if I purchace this
project how should I go about getting it certified? Should I let on as
though I have built the entire thing, having it inspected as I go form this
point on or what? As I understand it, it is past the boat stage with the
tail feathers built but not attached as well as one wing finished and the
other ready to be covered. I dont know if there is very much documentation
on what has been done but I will find all that out when I go look at the
project. What do you guys think the best aproach would be for this type of
project? Thanks for your reply
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[Dan Heath]

I doubt that.  What if one task takes 100 hours and 51 tasks only take 1
hour each.  What does it really mean 

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has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---

From: Solly Melyon
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 02/14/07 19:39:30
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Project

51% Rule does not mean 51% of the work but rather 51% of the tasks required
to build the airplane.
  solly

KR> Project

[Randy Smith]

If you look at some of the kits out there they are
shipped with the wings complete except 1 side the
fuselage done except for maybe 1 or 2 panels, and a
few other things left to do. You don't have to build
the hole wing only part. It is a learning experience.
That is what it is all about. 


--- Dan Heath <da...@alltel.net> wrote:

> I doubt that.  What if one task takes 100 hours and
> 51 tasks only take 1
> hour each.  What does it really mean 
>  
> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
> the pics 
> See you at the 2007 - KR Gathering
> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING
> and the time for Flying
> has begun.
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
> ---Original Message---
>  
> From: Solly Melyon
> Date: 02/14/07 19:39:30
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> Project
>  
> 51% Rule does not mean 51% of the work but rather
> 51% of the tasks required
> to build the airplane.
>   solly
>  
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KR> Project

[Solly Melyon]

The FAA wants you to do and learn something of everything therefore they want 
you to do some wing work, some fuse work, some control system work, some 
hydraulic system (brakes) work, some ailerons and flaps, some horiz., elevator 
and rudder work, some engine fwfd work, some fuel line work, etc,etc,  
  You got the idea.
  Solly


  I doubt that. What if one task takes 100 hours and 51 tasks only take 1
hour each. What does it really mean 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2007 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---

From: Solly Melyon
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 02/14/07 19:39:30
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Project

51% Rule does not mean 51% of the work but rather 51% of the tasks required
to build the airplane.
solly

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KR> Project Boatless

[Mike johnson]

Wow, Thanks for the great opinions, it really means alot.
For starters I am not really sure why I want to. I am one of those people that 
just like to
do things different. 
I really like the kr2 "as is" , theres really nothing wrong with the old 
airfoil either, but the new one could be better if you like the result it gives 
you.
I guess my primary reason would be to design a plane with a wide cockpit, and 
curves like a 
lancair. A big reason I chose the kr2 is because I fell in love with the looks, 
so that doesnt make 
much sense either. 
One thing for sure, to make the plane lighter and stronger is usually a good 
idea. The best part of
all of this is the great conversation with a bunch of elderly pilots/engineers. 
Again, I may not do this. Yes I must do it for myself only, but there are some 
changes that might
really make alot of sense to alot of you pilots with the experience you have 
with your own plane.
This is the time to chime in if anyone has anything they would do different.
I have never met mark langford, but he sure has made alot of changes. It sounds 
like he is happy 
with his results. 
I fly a  j-3 Cub, a far cry from a kr2. As you could imagine, I really need 
your input. Thanks again, all you guys with all this great experience is in my 
opinion the people that matter most. Mike Johnson

KR> KR PROJECT

[bob hailey]

arry..send pics please//bhai...@hcnews.com

"Larry H." wrote:

> Sorry, yes I have photos of the KR project and it is here in Texas, 20 miles 
> east of Dallas. $ 2,000.00 fuselage, turtleback, carry thru spars in place, 
> outer wings with Diehl skins on them. Sliding canopy. No landing gear.
>   Larry H.
>   Terrell Tx.
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KR> KR PROJECT

[Larry H.]

Sorry, yes I have photos of the KR project and it is here in Texas, 20 miles 
east of Dallas. $ 2,000.00 fuselage, turtleback, carry thru spars in place, 
outer wings with Diehl skins on them. Sliding canopy. No landing gear.
  Larry H.
  Terrell Tx.

Fw: KR> KR Project

[Robin Macdonald]

If only we were 10,000 miles closer to each other.

KR2 hopeful
Robin Macdonald
New Zealand


- Original Message -
From: "Larry H." <lah...@yahoo.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: 15 July 2006 6:10 AM
Subject: KR> KR Project


> One more thing, I may have a KR project for sale, not the one I am working
on but another one that has boat, turtle deck, windscreen in and sliding
canopy that needs sliding mechanism remade in my opinion. It has Diehl wings
and premolded tail skins.
>   I would sell it for about $ 2,000.00
>   Email me off list if you may be interested. It would be a very fast
start if someone is interested.
>   Larry H.
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KR> KR PROJECT

[bob hailey]

Larry...can or will yousend pics to me???  ( in Tolar,tx) bhai...@hcnews.com


























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"Larry H." wrote:

> Sorry, yes I have photos of the KR project and it is here in Texas, 20 miles 
> east of Dallas. $ 2,000.00 fuselage, turtleback, carry thru spars in place, 
> outer wings with Diehl skins on them. Sliding canopy. No landing gear.
>   Larry H.
>   Terrell Tx.
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[Larry H.]

One more thing, I may have a KR project for sale, not the one I am working on 
but another one that has boat, turtle deck, windscreen in and sliding canopy 
that needs sliding mechanism remade in my opinion. It has Diehl wings and 
premolded tail skins.
  I would sell it for about $ 2,000.00
  Email me off list if you may be interested. It would be a very fast start if 
someone is interested.
  Larry H.

KR> KR Project

[Fred Johnson]

Do you have pictures and where is it?

Thanks.

Fred Johnson
Product Manager
T.E. West, LLC.

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of Larry H.
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:10 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> KR Project

One more thing, I may have a KR project for sale, not the one I am
working on but another one that has boat, turtle deck, windscreen in and
sliding canopy that needs sliding mechanism remade in my opinion. It has
Diehl wings and premolded tail skins.
  I would sell it for about $ 2,000.00
  Email me off list if you may be interested. It would be a very fast
start if someone is interested.
  Larry H.
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KR> Project sale

[Thomas Brotherton]

I was considering parts sale to dispose of my KR2 project, but then thought 
that I should offer the entire project before breakup. Project includes all new 
parts.  Remaster 2100d, prop, spinner, Cleveland B, transceiver, 
transsponder, encoder, instruments, etc. If you are interested, contact me via 
e-mail at brotherton_tom@yahoo,com  or phone 760-723-8682.  For anyone just 
starting to build  this would be a great opportunity to get all needed parts at 
reduced price.  Tom Brotherton

KR> Project sale

[Thomas Brotherton]

Brian - I'm in Fallbrook, CA, which is located in the north end of San Diego 
county.  Tom

Brian Kraut <brian.kr...@engalt.com> wrote:  Tell us where you are located.

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

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Behalf Of Thomas Brotherton
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:08 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> Project sale


I was considering parts sale to dispose of my KR2 project, but then thought
that I should offer the entire project before breakup. Project includes all
new parts. Remaster 2100d, prop, spinner, Cleveland B, transceiver,
transsponder, encoder, instruments, etc. If you are interested, contact me
via e-mail at brotherton_tom@yahoo,com or phone 760-723-8682. For anyone
just starting to build this would be a great opportunity to get all needed
parts at reduced price. Tom Brotherton
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[Thomas Brotherton]

I think I've already answered your e-mail.  If not, I'm in Fallbrook, CA.  

Brian Kraut <brian.kr...@engalt.com> wrote:  Tell us where you are located.

Brian Kraut
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Behalf Of Thomas Brotherton
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:08 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> Project sale


I was considering parts sale to dispose of my KR2 project, but then thought
that I should offer the entire project before breakup. Project includes all
new parts. Remaster 2100d, prop, spinner, Cleveland B, transceiver,
transsponder, encoder, instruments, etc. If you are interested, contact me
via e-mail at brotherton_tom@yahoo,com or phone 760-723-8682. For anyone
just starting to build this would be a great opportunity to get all needed
parts at reduced price. Tom Brotherton
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KR> "project" update

[Mark Langford]

NetHeads,

I guess I'm about to answer my own question.  I'm sure there are lots of
alternatives as to the best hinge pin lubricant, but I suspect that good old
fashioned carnauba paste wax is hard to beat.  My aft deck has been so
difficult to install that up until today, I needed somebody to push on one
side to relieve the pressure to get the pins in.  It's been that way ever
since the deck sat flat for a year or two waiting for the rest of the plane
to get finished.  When I took the deck off last Saturday, the pin was
rusted, and it was all I could do to yank them out with vice grips and
everything I could put into it.

Today I Scotchbrited the pins, and then wiped a quick coat of carnauba wax
on them.  It took all of one minute per pin.  After that, both pins slipped
effortlessly, with only finger pressure!  Night and day difference...and I
highly recommend it!  I didn't want to use any oily kind of junk because of
the mess.  This stuff is clean.  Try it...you'll like it!

I got the plane back together just in time to fly it for an hour before
dark.  Five landings, and only one of them was something to be ashamed of.
One of the things I did was move the static ports up to within a foot of the
firewall, and that seems to have fixed the altimeter perfectly.  Airspeed is
better too, but still reads high at the low end.  I attribute that to
propwash, but further investigation is required.  I did a stall to make sure
I still knew where it would fall out of the sky.  Most of my landings were
in the high 60's over the fence, according to the GPS in calm conditions.

I did my first "time to climb" using a stop watch today, and it took five
minutes to climb 6000 feet off the runway.  That was me and full fuel, and
climbing at 120 mph.  It should do much better at 90 or so, but that'll have
to wait for another day.  Gap seals should make a big difference too.  I
think my VSI is out in la-la land though, I'll take it out and test it in
the next few weeks.  Nothing I can do will make that thing work right, so I
think it's just toast, just like my altimeter was.

Also, I finally fixed the EIS tachometer function.  I was having lunch with
a table full of electrical engineers Friday and one them asked if the tach
signal wire was shielded.  Duhnope.  I replaced it with a shielded
wire and now it's rock steady and accurate.  No more 5000 rpm readings at
cruise for me!  My third Tiny Tach croaked last month with a grand total of
45 hours on it, so I won't be pouring any more money down that hole.  It
looks great on paper, but doesn't work for me.  Any recommendations on a
small digital tach?  I added the EIS fuel totalizer while it was down, so
maybe I'll have some real fuel consumption numbers soon.  I also installed
the backup battery in the tailanother UPS battery.

Jim Hill finished swapping out some bad alternator parts on his plane, and
we hope to deliver it to Little Rock sometime next week, with me flying him
back.  It's only 200 miles, so it'll be a 1.5 hour trip.  Tomorrow I'm
flying to south Alabama to visit my folks, landing on my father's grass
strip.  He told me to watch out for cows though!  The weather's been
fantastic, and is forecast to be that way all next week.  Life is good...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see homebuilt airplane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net

KR> "project" update

[Joseph H. Horton]

> I got the plane back together just in time to fly it for an hour 
> before
> dark.  Five landings, and only one of them was something to be 
> ashamed of.
>  The weather's 
> been
> fantastic, and is forecast to be that way all next week.  Life is 
> good...
> 
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
> see homebuilt airplane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
> 
> 
> 
Ohh Great -- The only thing in our forecast is more wind.
Did you put a shield on the factory wire or replace it all the way to the
connector with a new shielded wire??

Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

KR> "project" update

[Mark Langford]

Joe Horton, from the great white windy North, wrote:

> Ohh Great -- The only thing in our forecast is more wind.
> Did you put a shield on the factory wire or replace it all the way to the
> connector with a new shielded wire??

I replaced the whole wire with an MS spec wire that I fished out of the
dumpster outside our electronics shop at Teledyne Brown Engineering.  I
grounded the end nearest the EIS and left the other one ungrounded.  I cut
the braid off short and shrink tubed it in place on the coil end, to make
sure that the braid could never ground the coil.  That's one of those things
that could ruin your day if it never occured to you that it could happen...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see homebuilt airplane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net

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[Joachim Saupe]

Great Mark!


> [Original Message]
> From: Mark Langford <n5...@hiwaay.net>
> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
> Date: 10/29/2005 7:38:37 PM
> Subject: KR> "project" update
>
> NetHeads,
>
> I guess I'm about to answer my own question.  I'm sure there are lots of
> alternatives as to the best hinge pin lubricant, but I suspect that good
old

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[Scott William]

--- Mark Langford  wrote:

>  Any
> recommendations on a
> small digital tach?  


Just a suggestionback in the eighties, the racing
world started using digital gauges.  WHen racers
complained they couldn't read them, a study was
commissioned by a university (I forget which one). It
found that people could read the gauges, but just
weren't able to interpret them as quickly as an analog
gauge. If you look at any race car now, you'll almost
always see analog. 

Scott



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[Hauck, John MAJ HHC-37th TRANS]

Maybe digital is for the "generation after next" but for me, I wear an
analog watch because my minds' eye does not recon in digital.  

I like gages with white faces and black lettering...makes the cockpit
brighter.


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Behalf Of Scott William
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:06 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> "project" update



--- Mark Langford <n5...@hiwaay.net> wrote:

>  Any
> recommendations on a
> small digital tach?  


Just a suggestionback in the eighties, the racing
world started using digital gauges.  WHen racers
complained they couldn't read them, a study was
commissioned by a university (I forget which one). It
found that people could read the gauges, but just
weren't able to interpret them as quickly as an analog
gauge. If you look at any race car now, you'll almost
always see analog. 

Scott



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[larry severson]

>  It
>found that people could read the gauges, but just
>weren't able to interpret them as quickly as an analog
>gauge.

We are analog. We see angular differences, even out of the corner of 
our eyes. Digital (and tape) displays need to be read which requires 
looking directly at the gage. Also, there is the problem of 
resolution of the digital display. Human Factors studies validate the 
fact that until the screen reaches the resolution of the printed 
page, speed of reading, accuracy of data acquisition, and retention 
of data goes down directly with the drop of resolution. With an 
analog gage (needle rotating around a circular display), the 
resolution of the screen has little impact.


Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
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