re: [lace] html on lists

2003-06-28 Thread Bev Walker
Hi everyone and Brian 
While our e-mail lace list is not set up for pictures, the web message
boards are, such as The Lace Forum.

This is a sneaky segue to let you know I've posted another part, and a
few more pictures, about the recent Pacific Northwest Lace Conference.

go to:
http://lace.jasidog.com/index.php
and find my 'conference report' at The Lace Cafe.

bye for now
Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) who ought to write the last
installment of her conference report...
and by the way, thank you everyone, for the nice things said about PNWLC
:)
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[lace] Lace fillings

2003-06-28 Thread Margot Walker
I haven't seen any replies to Toni's request for books on fillings, so 
here are the 3 books that I use:

Cook and Stott.  The book of bobbin lace stitches.  London:  Batsford, 
2nd ed. 1982.  ISBN 0-7134-3883-5. (This is the hardback version, which 
has been reprinted many times.  The paperback is not as complete.)
Hawken, Christine.  121 Honiton lace fillings.  York:  Elviston Press, 
c1997.  ISBN 0-9522709-4-3
Dorsett, Joyce.  Honiton fillings:  A collection from eighteenth century 
Honiton lace.  Stourbridge:  The Lace Guild, c1995.

Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada
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RE: [lace] Fish bones and thorns

2003-06-28 Thread etherege
Hello,

Can anyone imagine actually pushing small bones of fish into a hard,
straw-stuffed pillow??  Psssh.

OTH, it is pretty well verified that thorns were used as pins to close
clothing a couple of centuries ago.  There are bushes that have very
long and slender thorns that are suitable for that, but I have a hard
time imagining being able to place them closely enough and precisely
enough for the purposes of the fine laces made at the time.  (I have
actually used them -- my husband grew a bush of the appropriate sort,
just so I could try -- in my reenacting days)

Just out of curiousity, I wonder what lace traditions in other countries
say about it?  Do the authors of lace history in Italy, France, and
Belgium say that this kind of a pin was used?  Anyone know?

Carolyn

Carolyn Hastings
Stow, MA USA



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 From Lace and Bobbins, T.L.Huetson 1973
 The making of pillow lace requires the use of pins, and when
 the art of 
 making lace was brought to England these were very expensive. 
  Consequently the 
 workers had to improvise their own, long thorns being used in 
 the midlands and 
 fish bones in south Devon.  The lace-makers along the coast 
 of Devon, where 
 fishing was their livelihood, were in the ideal position of 
 having plenty of fish 
 from which to choose good strong slender bones of suitable length.
 
 His bibliography includes Thomas Wright and Palliser, neither
 of which I 
 have, so I can't follow it back.
 
 In 1987, when I was doing City and Guilds at Camberley with
 Ann Day, one of 
 the other students did some research trying to find suitable 
 bones (and I think 
 thorns as well); from what I can remember without much 
 success.  Perhaps they 
 are now reading this and can recall the results better than I can.
 
 Jacquie
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Re: [lace] Needlework clamps pictures by request.

2003-06-28 Thread Toni Hawryluk
 Brian from Cooranbong, Australia wrote :
 I have 5 pictures that I will send anyone to their personal email address.
 They will be sent in HTML and will take approximately 25 secs to download
 (with a 56 kps modem)  A little more with a slower modem.
 Please send me a personal email to request the photos.
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And they are yummy, particularly
the hummingbirds - but the
winder/netting tool is my favorite.

Toni in Seattle
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Re: [lace] Fish bones and thorns

2003-06-28 Thread Toni Hawryluk
(snip)
 . . .  suitable bones (and I think thorns as well); from what I can remember
without much success.  Perhaps they are now reading this and can recall the
results better than I can.
 Jacquie

Fishbones are 'not in my experience',
but thorns ? Yes, indeed, the 'right'
ones are long - the one I remember
was the length of a five-year-old's
finger - , they are strong, and they
are sharp !!

63 years later I still remember not
being able to pull out a thorn embedded
in almost the exact center of my *heel* -
I'd been running around barefoot and
stepped on the thorn which was attached
to a bit of broken-off branch.

My sister had to pull on the stub of
branch and listen to the wailing while she
'investigated' and the shrieking !! while
she was pulling. But there were some
good things - she was not squeamish,
the thorn stayed attached to the branch
stub, and there were no tetanus germs
or I'd not be here - once the thorn was
out and I'd limped back to the house,
the foot was washed, I was given a cup
of *real* tea ! with milk and sugar as a
reward for 'being brave' - at which, of
course, my sister sneered and rightfully
so - since we'd been far enough away
that the adults hadn't heard the goings-on . . .

Toni in Seattle
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[lace] Roller pillow

2003-06-28 Thread Cherre Bybee
Hello all,
I have a student wanting to buy a roller pillow.  Any suggestions on where 
to go?

Thank you,
Cherre
Galena, MO
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Re: [lace] Lace fillings

2003-06-28 Thread Toni Hawryluk
Thanks, Margot ! I'll be 'at the library'
as soon as I'm done with posting today !
and thanks, too, for the 'tip' about the
paperback . . .

Toni in Seattle
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  Subject: [lace] Lace fillings


  I haven't seen any replies to Toni's request for books on fillings, so
  here are the 3 books that I use:

  Cook and Stott.  The book of bobbin lace stitches.  London:  Batsford,
  2nd ed. 1982.  ISBN 0-7134-3883-5. (This is the hardback version, which
  has been reprinted many times.  The paperback is not as complete.)
  Hawken, Christine.  121 Honiton lace fillings.  York:  Elviston Press,
  c1997.  ISBN 0-9522709-4-3
  Dorsett, Joyce.  Honiton fillings:  A collection from eighteenth century
  Honiton lace.  Stourbridge:  The Lace Guild, c1995.
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Re: [lace] Roller pillow

2003-06-28 Thread Kenn Van-Dieren
Cherre Bybee wrote -
 I have a student wanting to buy a roller pillow.  Any suggestions on where
to go? 

Hi Cherre,

Obviously it depends on how much she would like to spend on it but there are
choices.
Snowgoose sells a foam bases unit called the One and Only that can convert
from cookie to roller at
http://www.snowgoose.cc/cgi-bin/miva?Merchant2/merchant.mv+Screen=PRODStore
_Code=SProduct_Code=O3Category_Code=P1

Lacy Susan sells the same pillow already covered at
http://www.lacysusan.com/Pillows/pillows.html

Tracy at The Lacemaker carries some nice roller pillows.  The web site is
currently being redone but you can contact her at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I also sell a medium priced pillow at
http://www.bobbinmaker.com/rollerpillow.html

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[lace] Raffle winners

2003-06-28 Thread Brenda Paternoster
I had 56 names in the shopping basket  for the pattern booklet raffle, and 
Paige picked out the following winners:
	Pam Thompson in USA
	Jeanette Fischer is South Africa
	Jill Treeves in Heathrow UK
Sorry there couldn't be more winners.

Would those three people please send me their postal addresses so that I 
can send out the prizes.

Brenda

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[lace] Re: IOLI competition

2003-06-28 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
On Saturday, Jun 28, 2003, at 00:45 US/Eastern, Kenn Van-Dieren wrote:

It is nice to hear that others are sending in entries.
Indeed it is; the more, the merrier. If you lose, there's the 
consolation that you weren't the only one; if you win, the pleasure is 
so much plumper... :) But, most important of all, with a lot of 
entries (especially the original ones), Debra Jenny (the Bulletin's 
Editor), won't have to worry about material for the next issues -- she 
shouldn't be short of either patterns or colour photos; shortage of 
original material is always a problem to an editor of a lace 
publication (and I've worked with several now)

Which brings me to my pet bee-in-the-bonnet...

IOLI claims the first right to publication for competition entries -- I 
think that's the reason they request that the pattern and instructions 
be included with the lace. To me, the request suggests that those are 
*a part of the entry*; you send a piece of lace into the Original 
Design category, the whole thing ought to be ready to be published -- 
pattern and full instructions for reproducing the piece are part and 
parcel of the entry.

Naturally, as a recipient of the Bulletin, I'm most interested in 
seeing, published, patterns for the laces which had won the competition 
-- at least the first 3 and the public's choice (and, with luck, 
they'll each be in a different technique, thus providing a broader 
interest base for all readers). These are the best, aren't they?

Yet, that's not *always* the case; sometimes, the first prize only gets 
a photo, and the published patterns are for pieces which hadn't even 
placed, and which -- or so I should think -- would be used only as a 
second line of defence, when the Editor is scraping the bottom of the 
barrel for material.

What's the reason for that???

If the instructions are too complex/long to be printed in full, then, 
perhaps, the author would be willing to supply them to individuals on 
request, with a notice to that effect published with it (that's what 
happened with my '91 butterfly; it got 1st, but the instructions were 
pages and pages long. And the current entry is not likely to be much 
shorter, what with 3 diagrams and 10 *different* braids g). 
Alternatively, a limit can be set on how long the instructions *can* 
be...

If the instructions are not fit for print -- ie so abbreviated (or 
non-existent) that it's not really a *pattern* which can be reproduced 
by another lacemaker, then the entry has not met the requirements.  
However spectacular the *lace*, it's not really a legitimate 
competition *entry*; at least not as the requirements are now stated. 
It should either be relegated to the non-competitive display where 
everyone can still enjoy looking at it, or else have points taken off 
for the gap. Under no circumstances should it be able to win one of 
the first 3 ribbons...

Either that, or the requirement for including the pricking/instructions 
should be removed from the entry form; we provide the lace (for the 
photo-op) *only*, and don't sweat over the rest.

The above is not addressed to this year's (or any particular year's) 
IOLI Convention organisers; it's aimed more at the current powers that 
be (I know at least one is on this list): can anyone enlighten me on 
the *precise* criteria for judging an entry? Or even on what 
*constitutes* an entry? If a *publisheable* pattern (ie with all 
necessary instructions) is a part of it, then the lack of that part 
should also be judged. If it's not, then why require it at all?

I admit to having a personal interest in the whole thing; illustrating 
(diagramming) patterns and writing the text is *the* most 
time-and-effort-consuming part of producing a piece, and the one I 
like the least; if the requirement were dropped, I probably wouldn't 
bother. OTOH, if I *do* bother (because it's required), then I'd like 
to compete against others who suffered to the same extent...

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[lace] Horn Bobbins

2003-06-28 Thread Elizabeth Ligeti
I have a horn bobbin, and it is semi- translucent.
It is a fawn-y sort of colour, with a darker streak in it, and is not as
hard (stiff) as wood or bone.  There seems to be a tiny bit of flexibility
to it when it is warmed from handling.
I have no idea where I got it from.

from Liz in Melbourne, Oz, where it is a grey, wet day, but we need lots
more rain.
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[lace] Re: Madeira (metallic) thread

2003-06-28 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
On Saturday, Jun 28, 2003, at 12:30 US/Eastern, Lynne Cumming wrote:

They are meant to be identical ie same number but the
threads look totally different in colour. [...]
does anyone know why the thread has changed colour??
Don't know *why*, but sure know the colours do change, especially in 
metallics, and not *only* in Madeira :) I have three spools of Sulky 
series 142, each with the same number (7054), which is described on 
their website as red. Each is a totally different shade, and two have 
a slightly diffrent (harsher) texture as well... When I got a 
metallic (jewel colours) selection from Madeira and, on that basis, 
made choices for the full-size spools, they all came in different 
shades from the original... And the variegated (again, in more than 
Madeira) are even worse though, *sometimes* it's not so much the change 
of *colours* as it is the change in the way the thread is wrapped on 
the spool, which makes it look diffrerent...

But it sure as sure makes one's life exciting; you can't buy a spool 
without seeing it (and taking an old one to compare), and, quite often 
you can't buy it in a *shop* either... It's all catalogue or website. 
Trying to publish a pattern recommending specific threads for a 
particular effect is almost impossible... :(

The cottons seem to be a bit more stable, if it's any consolation g

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[lace] Convention meeting of Arachneans

2003-06-28 Thread Jeriames
Dear Lacemakers who will attend Convention,

I am sending this information update to the list, so that lots and lots of 
correspondence can be avoided, especially on the overseas servers..  

A volunteer to coordinate and work on this project has written to me.  She 
has offered to write to the Arachne list in a few days, after she has sorted out 
the details with the Convention Committee.

Kind regards, 

Jeri Ames in Maine USA
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[lace] Re: lace-digest V1 #3662

2003-06-28 Thread June A Swinford
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[Fwd: Re: [lace] Fish bones and thorns - LONG

2003-06-28 Thread Malvary Cole
snip...His bibliography includes Thomas Wright and Palliser, neither
of which I
have, so I can't follow it back

Quote from Palliser (reproduction of 4th ed published in 1911 - she died
in 1878) (pp294) Lace now seems to be called indifferently purle,
passamayne or bone-work... The origin of this last appellation is
generally stated to have been derived from the custom of using sheep's
trotters previous to the invention of wooden bobbins.  Fuller so
explains it, and the various dictionaries have followed his theory.  The
Devonshire lace-makers, on the other hand, deriving their knowledge from
tradition, declare that when lace-making was  first introduced into
their county, pins, so indispensable to their art, then being sold at a
price far beyond their means, the lace-makers, mostly the wives of
fishermen living along the coast, adopted the bones of fish, which,
pared and cut into regular lengths, fully answered as a substitute.
This explanation would seem more probable than that of employing sheep's
trotters for bobbins, which, as from 300 to 400 are often used at one
time on a pillow, must have been both heavy and cumbersome.  Even at the
present day pins made from chicken bones continue to be employed in
Spain; and bone pins are still used in Portugal.  Footnote to above: It
is not know when brass wire pins were first made in England, but it must
have been before 1543, in which year a statute was passed in which the
price was fixed not to exceed 6s 8d. per 1000.

Quote from Pillow Lace  Bobbins by Jeffery Hopewell (Shire Book 9)  The
pins used for lace-making are always brass, because they do not rust.
In the early days of the industry, pins were expensive, 6s 8d per 1000
in the 16th century, so the poor workers made their own from fishbones,
in Devon, and thorns, in the Midlands.  The pinhead was made separately
and fixed on to the pin until 1824 when the solid headed type was
invented  Hopewell quotes Palliser, Wight, Earnshaw, Whiting et
al in his bibliography.

Quote from A Dictionary of Lace by Pat Ernshaw:  A necessary part of
the making of bobbin lace.  In the sixteenth century pins were very
expensive and the country folk are said to have used fish bones or
splintered chicken bones as substitute.

Gertrude Whiting has a whole chapter on The Humble Pin in her book
Old-Time Tools and Toys of Needlework:  The original pin may have been
split from the shaft of a bird's feather, for the root word - pinna from
the Latin - means feather.  A thorn in Latin is spina.  Early pins were
of thorns, spikes or fish bones (page 135).We are told that the term
bone-lace comes more probably from fish-bone pins, trimmed to regular
lengths, than from sheep's trotters used as bobbins; for a quantity of
trotters on a pillow might prove very clumsy and heavy.  The Devonshire
lace-makers, living as they do along the coast, and descending mostly
from poor fisher familities declare that they could not in those days
afford the necessary number of the newyly introduced wire pins, but that
there were fish bones a-plenty.  An elderly Honiton worker told Mrs.
Palliser that she recalled using bone pins in her youth, but that they
had been given up on account of their costliness - showing how wire pins
had gradually become cheaper.  One wonders, however, what fish bone of
earlier days could have penetrated the necessary heavy lace prickings
and firmly stuffed pillows without snapping in two.

Quote from Old Handmade Lace by Mrs. F. Nevill Jackson (first published
1861) Pin - an instrument used for the temporary attachment of one
piece of material to another.  Sharpened bones were used in bobbin
lace-making before the 16th century, when the modern pin was invented;
hence the term Bone Lace.

And from The Dictionary of Needlework by Caulfeild  Saward - Bone
Point - The first pillow laces made in England in the 16th century were
called Bone, by reason of the bobbins being formed from the bones of
animals, and sometimes the pins made of fish bones.  The word Point is,
however, an incorrect term to use for Pillow Laces.  and Pin - An
appliance used for the temporary attachmetn of one piece of material to
another, before it is basted.  The original pinwas a thorn.  Sharpened
fish and other bones were also in use before the modern metal pin was
manufactured.  The date of the latter in England is doubful, possibly
the 13th century.  Bristol is credited with being the seat of the
manufacture.

Malvary in Ottawa, where we had a hot day and my team came 3rd in a lawn
bowls tournament - yippee!
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Re: [lace] Horn Bobbins

2003-06-28 Thread Ruth Budge
Yes, I have a horn bobbin too - mine came from a spinning/weaving place in Dapto, just 
near Wollongong N.S.W.Way out in the country, in an old farmhouse, no other shops 
nearby, it was a most surprising place to find lace bobbins for sale.
Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia)

Elizabeth Ligeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a horn bobbin, and it is semi- translucent.
It is a fawn-y sort of colour, with a darker streak in it,



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[lace-chat] Lace Forum

2003-06-28 Thread Jean Nathan
I've moved this from Lace.

I checked out The Lace Forum mentioned by Bev, and looked at the new
registrants messages.  One said she'd joined After all the trouble on
[EMAIL PROTECTED].

and there was a response from another saying Looks like you have joined for
the same reason as me!!! Maybe this will be a safe place to visit other
lacemakers.

What a pity they feel like that. Lace-chat had always been a safe place to
visit other lacemakers until the recent short-lived problem which has been
sorted out with Avital generously giving her time freely, so that it will
always continue be a safe place to visit. They obviously don't appreciate
what she's doing.

Jean in Poole
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Re: [lace-chat] luggage allowance

2003-06-28 Thread Kenn Van-Dieren
One thing to remember about heavy luggage,  it may not arrive when you do.
As the weight of the plane has to distributed correctly (within reason) the
heaviest bags are generally removed first if the plane is over its limit.
Makes sense, fewer bags for the handlers to move.  And with the airlines
tendency right now to use smaller planes (with smaller baggage areas and
limits) the chances increase that a bag will remain.  One of the reasons I
spent the first three days of the Indianapolis IOLI convention without
product was because I loaded my bags within a pound of the limit in order to
have more product to sell.  I left Amsterdam on time but the bags stayed on
the tarmac.

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Subject: [lace-chat] luggage allowance


 I was concerned at the reduction in baggage allowances on American
Airlines, as we are
 making two trips in the next couple of months, so just to clarify what
Tamara said about
 luggage on American. The 40lb max is on carry-on baggage. You can also
have 2 checked
 pieces each weighing up to 50lb. International allowances vary according
to the country
 to which you are  flying. Contact an American Airlines representative at
1-800-433-7300
 for specifics.

  The following was cut and pasted from the American website:

 For flights wholly within the United States and between the United States
and Canada
 The maximum amount of baggage each ticketed passenger is allowed free of
charge is:
 2 pieces checked and one carry-on
 Please note that one carry-on personal item (see Carry-on Allowance)
does not count
 toward the free bag allowance.

 The size limitation of your luggage is calculated by adding the total
outside dimensions
 of each bag, that is, length + width + height.
 Two checked bags at 62 in/157 cm each

 One carry-on bag at 45 in/114 cm
 The maximum weight per checked bag is 50 lbs/23 kgs.
 The maximum weight per carry-on bag is 40 lbs/18 kgs. 


 Sue

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[lace-chat] Harry Potter

2003-06-28 Thread Lynne Cumming
Our Ford Anglia was a maroon coloured one! 

We too had a Ford Anglia. Well, two actually. Both white. It was the first
car my parents bought and it was such luxury. We took it to Sweden for a
holiday in 1967 and there were 5 of us! My mother packed our clothes in big
plastic bags so we could fit more in as we were away for three weeks. It was
a great adventure as not many English people went to Sweden then although we
were assured everyone spoke English!! well, yes, their English was way up on
Dad's attempts at Swedish from the teach yourself book!!
 I still remember those cars with great affection. We'd ,moved onto Cortinas
by the time I learnt to drive. Now I'm back on two wheels on my trusty
scooter!!

Lynne.
Lynne Cumming
Baldock, North Herts, Uk
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the
pig.
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Re: [lace-chat] luggage allowance

2003-06-28 Thread Scotlace
Kenn - 

Luggage being left behind at Amsterdam may have very little to do with its 
weight, especially if you are flying KLM.  It came out in a British surgery as 
almost the worst one for leaving luggage behind.  On my 1999 trip to America 
(Cardiff/Amsterdam/Boston) I arrived more than 24 hours before my luggage.  
There was a long queue of us reporting the non appearance of our cases and the 
womwn at Boston was thoroughly fed up with this daily occurrence.  The KLM 
baggage handlers are not at all competent with fast transfers.  

On my 2002 trip my case was plastered with labels indicating it needed urgent 
transfer and I was fine in both directions.  But on the Amsterdam to Cardiff 
flight of the return journey the pilot announced just before landing that the 
luggage of 20 of the passengers was still sitting on the tarmac at Amsterdam.

Patricia in Wales
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re: [lace-chat] Lace Forum

2003-06-28 Thread Bev Walker
Jean N. wrote:

What a pity they feel like that. Lace-chat had always been a safe place
to visit other lacemakers until the recent short-lived problem...

Bev points out:

Those messages were posted at the peak of the annoyance on this list,
before the list-owner made some changes. It is nice to have a choice, on
the internet, for lace and non-lace discussion with like-minded people.
There was a yahoo group mentioned a while back that I haven't
investigated, and I do like the Lace Forum format.

Among other features on the message board, you can read through to
very beginnings of threads (months back in time, even - if the board isn't
particularly active) post publicly or to each other privately without
using e-mail directly. I like the ability to post a picture. 

It's great to be able to visit all lace 'places'

bye for now
Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada)
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Re: [lace-chat] Re: [lace] html on lists

2003-06-28 Thread Toni Hawryluk
(snip)
 As for the text, I had to keep mousing the little thingie at the
bottom, left to right and back again to read the entire line, which
made me get the heck outa there before I finished reading the first
paragraph... definitely not my cup o'T; not 'puter-idiot-friendly
enough :)
Tamara

Web page designers all go through the
'learning curve' of 'how-to' - some welcome
feedback, some say 'let 'em eat cake' or
whatever the equivalent would be in Web
surfing. But scrolling horizontally garners
the most negative feedback, and low-
contrast colors (between the background
and the text - blue print on a black back,
for example, or yellow print on white) seems
to be second . . .

Toni in Seattle
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[lace-chat] surprises

2003-06-28 Thread Jean Peach
During my months of being confined to hospital, home  just being able to get
into town I would read through all the information that I had, then keep
lists like where exhibitions would be and when.  Sadly very few lace
exhibitions, for instance I know that going to the V  A you will be lucky
to see more than a couple of items changed over the last 12 months.
Many items would have been on display for many years.  So last Thursday
I was asked where do you want to go, one place was Hall Place in Bexley,
This building is quite old, it is very large, full of oak beams, wooden
panels you could just imagine Henry V111 walking around. What I could not
believe was that it is free to go and see this lovely building and grounds,
rose garden, topiary, a whole row of teddy bears all in different poses.

They were holding a display of  City  Guilds Embroidery,
Machine Embroidery, designing with the computer, sadly when we arrived
on the last day of the exhibition all the exhibits for designing for the
computer had been taken home a day early.  We had a marvellous time
looking at this exhibition, it was nice to be able to ask students about
their work etc.

 Then upstairs where there was a display of
work from people who had passed their C  G years ago, or not so long
ago, many of the pieces were for sale.  Then when I got to one corridor
I found a glass cabinet full of lace,
so down on my hands and knees I was looking at the lace, tell DH
hey this piece is a lovely piece of Milanese, reminds me of Pat Read,
next thing I know I have people standing around asking me questions
about the lace, where was it made in this country, how long ago,
suddenly DH says hey Jean this exhibition is all Pat Reads doing, he
had found a leaflet about classes that Pat gives.

Then two days later I was taken to East Berkshire College  Windsor.
I had wanted to go to this exhibition as quite a few of my friends had
told me that is was one of the best to go to, they were right the work,
it was hard to discribe, all their working notes were on display, I felt
I needed a couple of days there to take it all in. Windsor, they had
exhibitions of City  Guilds work, Embroidery, Quilting, Pottery, Silver
Jewellery, flower arranging. Plus there were suppliers
there as well, Oliver Twists had a large display which was rather nice to
see.  No if you are going to ask they don't do C  G Lace.
But I was asked questions when I went into the college what was I
interested in, did mention that I did needlelace, stumpwork, oh we
have Ros whose sitting over there she makes lace, so being me, I go
over and make myself known by saying oh you are a lace maker, no
I make needlelace, I am Ros, the penny dropped, it was Ros Hills who
has been teaching at East Berkshire College for one year.  What a
lovely person she is, did mention I had a friend who found one of her
books in Perth, WA for me.  Ros is the only person who
has a piece of needlelace on exhibition at the V  A. which has been
on display for many years.  Today is the last day of the exhibition.
Windsor, I am so glad that I have been able to get to both of these
exhibitions. Hope I have not bored you.

Jean in Newbury UK
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