[lace] Tally aid
Jenny wrote: In one of my web walks I saw a photo of a tally aid - it was a elongated triangular piece of plastic with 4 slots in it, It's not only keeping the threads apart, for which I've tried several things, but keeping the tension on the passive threads. I can't feel the tension. In straight stitches such as whole stitch, I can only gauge the tension of both the passives and workers by sight. Even with something as thick (relatively) as Madeira Tanne 50, it's not unusual for me to find I have a bobbin in my hand with a broken thread attached, purely because I've no idea how much/little tension I've put on it. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Any ideas on what this is?
Any ideas on what this item is on ebay? http://tinyurl.com/59c2ku Item number 320292495309 described as: Vintage Pimative wood lace maker spindle spool reel Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] RE: New Website
Hello Alex, I think that the pages are very nice, fine colours, clear distribution of information. I had no problems downloading the pattern by clicking right mouse button and choosing Save picture As ... Very nice work for a beginning computer user! Congratulations to both of you and I hope to see more of your work here by the time! Regards Lucy Kudrnova, Czech Republic, Prague http://lacespider.blog.cz/rubriky/in-english Alex wrote: Dear Arachnids My friend Jean has produced a web site for both of us at http://web.mac.com/jeanmaryeke. There is something about us, Lindfield Lacemakers and Designers and a free pattern that will be changed periodically. Jean has only had her computer, her first, for 2 months and I think she has done well. Can you open it? What do you think? Any suggestions? and can you download the pattern? Alex - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Favourite stitches new web site
Dear All Having given it a bit of thought I've decided that my favourite stitch is probably spiders, because you can usually see if you've gone wrong straight away. And I find there's a lot of satisfaction in doing spiders. I definitely won't be joining those who love half stitch; I've got to undo a large area of half stitch because it doesn't look right and I just can't see where it's gone wrong! And well done to Alex and Jean for their web site, it was easy to navigate. And also well done for not trying to put too much on a page which people are sometimes tempted to do and which makes it look cluttered. I look forward to seeing it develop in the future. Alison in Essex, UK where the sun is supposed to be coming out, but hasn't yet - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Honeycomb delight
At 02:30 AM 29/08/2008, BarbE wrote: David, that is like asking which child do I like best.. smiles, BarbE BarbE dear - you are allowed to change from day to day :) David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] honeycomb delight (or favorite stitches)
At 03:48 AM 29/08/2008, Clay Blackwell wrote: Apple Blossom fillings? They sound beautiful - but I've never run across those before. More info? Clay, I took that to mean the half stitch chantilly type filling of a flower in point ground. David - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Honeycomb delight
Hi all, Since I am young in my bobbin lacemaking career(5 years), I am unfamiliar with a lot of the terminology like honeycomb. Is there a picture somewhere online that you could show me some of these stitches you have been talking about? I tried a google image search and didn't come up with anything concrete. It would be nice to see examples to associate with the terms like apple blossom filling or brabant ground, etc. I can't say which stitch I like best. Still exploring!!! I am familiar with most basic torchon stitches and have dabbled in Bruges, Milanese, Russian Tape Laces, Honiton. Currently working in Bruges Flower Lace. And since many of you seem to like the half stitch(I like it as well and have no problem with it), if you want a good HS project to really sink your bobbins into, here is a doily I recently finished from Edna Sutton's book Bruges Flower Lace: http://tinyurl.com/6mkm7y That is made entirely of HS, minus the fillings and edging. I may have shown this piece on this list before, but thought to mention it again since the HS is being talked about. :) -- Mark, aka Tatman Visit Tatman's Forum of Fun!: http://www.tat-man.net/forumoffun.html Don't miss the other fun stuff on the left column of my homepage! website: http://www.tat-man.net blog: http://www.tat-man.net/blog - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Honeycomb delight
Dear Friends, Don't you just love doing Honeycomb stitch??? I do. I did a big mob of it today. I just find it so gorgeous with it's tessellating hexagons - not to mention the way it fills whole areas so quickly. Perhaps you have a favourite stitch you'd like to tell us about David in Ballarat Hi All, Yes I love honeycomb. (David, are you working on the Toender again?) To me, it is always SO point ground, although you see it in other laces. too. The first time i worked it in a little Bucks edging, I wrote in ecstasy to the list about all the bubbles on my pillow. And I am definitely in the halfstitch camp. I love half stitch in Chantilly, where it positively scintillates, since the tilt of each bit of half stitch changes. It's kind of the same effect as Thai silk where the warp and the weft are different colors (sometimes called shot silk?). In Chantilly, you add and remove pairs madly to keep the half stitch consistent, instead of letting it inflate and deflate to cover the available territory. But what could keep happy enough to skip meals is Binche snowflakes! sigh.. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Honeycomb delight
Dear Patty, Yes I love honeycomb. (David, are you working on the Toender again?) Not yet - just had to whack out a Bucks Point bookmark for a woman at my sister's workplace, and was revelling in the honeycomb. Still have a few months left on the petit point portrait I'm doing before getting back to that Toender. And I am definitely in the halfstitch camp. I love half stitch in Chantilly, where it positively scintillates, since the tilt of each bit of half stitch changes. It's kind of the same effect as Thai silk where the warp and the weft are different colors (sometimes called shot silk?). In Chantilly, you add and remove pairs madly to keep the half stitch consistent, instead of letting it inflate and deflate to cover the available territory. Gorgeous writing - and I couldn't agree more. But what could keep happy enough to skip meals is Binche snowflakes! sigh.. HOWEVER, I have to confess that when I made my Binche doily (the one that looks like it's full of embryos from Syllabus One) the snowflakes drove me crazy. No two were the same and I never did learn or remember anything of that pattern. David - once again trying to get to bed, but you all keep answering :) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] question re: terminology
Hello All, it's a bit late, I know, but I want to send you my thaughts about this subject too. In my opinion we should stop to look about those old books and the terminologie in there. the vocabulary of lace has changec a lot since the book of Mincoff and others. And it makes things only more complicate if we stack to them. I told you once the story I found in an English lace book from about 1880. There is written Barbara Uthman invented lacemaking. She lived in Harz mountain. The thruth is, she doesn't invent anything about lacemaking. She forced the people in Erzgebirge to learn lacemaking for earning their living. ANd she szcced in this. And she is born and lived in Erzgebirge not in the Harz Mountain. Hoping that I could convince you. Greeting Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Alex website
I enjoyed looking at the site but when my cursor landed on the photos above About Me on Jean's Lace Work page, and I clicked expecting to see more lace, it came up with a droppedImage.pdf of a closeup of a mans face in black and white. Is this the man in Jean's life? Janice My friend Jean has produced a web site for both of us at http://web.mac.com/jeanmaryeke. There is something about us, Lindfield Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA www.jblace.com www.landoflincolnlacemakers.com http://www.lacemakersofillinois.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Re: Honeycomb delight
Check out Jo Edkins website at http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/index.htm I have found it invaluable when I get stuck. Jenny Brandis Kununurra, Western Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.brandis.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark, aka Tatman Sent: Friday, 29 August 2008 11:00 PM To: Lace list Subject: [lace] Re: Honeycomb delight Hi all, Since I am young in my bobbin lacemaking career(5 years), I am unfamiliar with a lot of the terminology like honeycomb. Is there a picture somewhere online that you could show me some of these stitches you have been talking about - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Honeycomb delight
Jenny, Thanks for that link. I keep forgetting that Jo has this informative site. It explains it really well. After viewing some pieces that some have emailed me to show as examples of honeycomb ground I think I may have worked itwithout knowing! I made this Christine Springett fan two years ago as a challenge given to me by my BL teacher. I think it has the honeycomb stitch if I am not mistaken: http://www.tat-man.net/bobbinlace/BLtorchonfan.html Click on image for larger view. -- Mark, aka Tatman Visit Tatman's Forum of Fun!: http://www.tat-man.net/forumoffun.html Don't miss the other fun stuff on the left column of my homepage! website: http://www.tat-man.net blog: http://www.tat-man.net/blog On 8/29/08 12:38 PM, Jenny Brandis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out Jo Edkins website at http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/index.htm I have found it invaluable when I get stuck. Jenny Brandis Kununurra, Western Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.brandis.com.au - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Honeycomb delight
The honeycomb stitch is the stitch used in the oval rings running down the center of the fan. However, in Bucks, the stitch would have two twists before and after each pin used in the honeycomb design. It looks like there is one stitch used in the fan. Also, with a different angle, the stitch looks slightly different. In Bucks, as well, the stitch is usually used to fill an area of a design, not as the design element itself. Lovely fan by the way! Debbie in Florida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark, aka Tatman wrote: I made this Christine Springett fan two years ago as a challenge given to me by my BL teacher. I think it has the honeycomb stitch if I am not mistaken: http://www.tat-man.net/bobbinlace/BLtorchonfan.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Honeycomb delight
NOW you're talkin'!! ; ) Clay Patty Dowden wrote: But what could keep happy enough to skip meals is Binche snowflakes! sigh.. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] honeycomb delight...pictures of honeycomb
Here are a just two honeycomb stitch examples in our webshots album: Shirley Meier's bookmark has honeycomb rings outlined with a gimp thread around the edge of the bookmark http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1364069967048870129PAVLAL Sue Harvey's mat...honeycomb stitch fills the area around the cloth center of the mat and is decorated with little torchon diamonds, as well as in the rings outlining the honeycomb section and along the picot edge of the mat. http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2528539030048870129XzutTK Debbie in Florida [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Honeycomb Ground PIcture
I have put a picture of an edging that I have been working on when I demonstrate or go to Lace Guild meetings with on my blog. http://celticdreamweave.blogspot.com/ It is a simple edge but you can see the Honeycomb Ground. Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] question
Is this what it is descibed as - apart from the final word, being the dreaded crochet description!! http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=173492054 Maxine in a spring-like New Zealand [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of SoftBlue.jpg] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Honeycombe delight
Mark, I think your fan has Roseground not Honeycombe. Honeycombe has six pinholes, one at top, two on the sides and one at the bottom. It is usually surrounded by a gimp which makes it look like round holes. It is also one of my favorites. Roseground is definitely not a favorite of mine. I seem to get lost and there are so many variations I tend to forget which one I am doing and make a mess of it. Roseground is a Torchon stitch and Honeycomb is a point ground stitch. I really like doing many of the Milanese braids and can't choose a favorite amongst those, except I do like Running River. I have used that a number of times in my designs. Janice Mark wrote: I think it has the honeycomb stitch if I am not mistaken: http://www.tat-man.net/bobbinlace/BLtorchonfan.html Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA www.jblace.com www.landoflincolnlacemakers.com http://www.lacemakersofillinois.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] lace website
Lucy, Thanks for including your web address in your email about Alex's new website. I have been to your site before and could spend hours looking at all your photographs. I also appreciated seeing your pendant pattern based on the ginko leaf. I really liked the last example where you used the design to attach it to the chain. Very creative, but then I loved your bracelet pattern a while back. I look forward to seeing more. Lucy Kudrnova, Czech Republic, Prague http://lacespider.blog.cz/rubriky/in-english Janice Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA www.jblace.com www.landoflincolnlacemakers.com http://www.lacemakersofillinois.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Honeycombe delight
I had another look at Mark's fan - there is honeycomb in the centre of the silver gimp surrounded flowers towards the outer edge, but just individual honeycombs, pushed apart by the heavy gimp. The ground closer to the centre is roseground. Honeycomb is my favourite ground in Torchon too - I designed myself a bookmark with the edge a cloth stitch trail down the sides and filled with just honeycomb, and I can do one in a few sittings if I need a gift bookmark in a hurry. If anyone wants a copy, email me direct and tell me what size grid or thread, and I'll create a PDF file out of Lace RXP and email it to you. No directions, just a pricking. Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think your fan has Roseground not Honeycombe. Janice - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Honeycombe delight
At 04:44 PM 8/29/2008, Janice Blair wrote: Mark, I think your fan has Roseground not Honeycombe. Honeycombe has six pinholes, one at top, two on the sides and one at the bottom. It is usually surrounded by a gimp which makes it look like round holes. It is also one of my favorites. Roseground is definitely not a favorite of mine. I seem to get lost and there are so many variations I tend to forget which one I am doing and make a mess of it. Roseground is a Torchon stitch and Honeycomb is a point ground stitch. Mark wrote: I think it has the honeycomb stitch if I am not mistaken: http://www.tat-man.net/bobbinlace/BLtorchonfan.html === I do believe that Mark has Honeycomb stitch in the 4 petal flowers closer to the upper edge. In Torchon, Honeycomb stitch comes out elongated and looks more like ovals than circles from the 45 degree ground vs. round in the 60 degree (or so) ground in point ground. Roseground is easier in Torchon since every corner gets a pin. (At least, I think so). Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Honeycombe delight
I was looking at the trail of rose ground referred to previously, and did not see the area Patty refers to, but I still believe that is not correct honeycomb as the gimp should be inside the two middle pin holes. Mark's honeycomb has 8 pinholes, not six. I have not come across an 8 pinhole honeycomb, but then, I have not done a whole lot of pointground and may have missed this feature. Janice Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA www.jblace.com www.landoflincolnlacemakers.com http://www.lacemakersofillinois.com --- On Fri, 8/29/08, Patty Dowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Patty Dowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [lace] Honeycombe delight To: Janice Blair [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lace lace@arachne.com Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 9:05 PM At 04:44 PM 8/29/2008, Janice Blair wrote: Mark, I think your fan has Roseground not Honeycombe. Honeycombe has six pinholes, one at top, two on the sides and one at the bottom. It is usually surrounded by a gimp which makes it look like round holes. It is also one of my favorites. Roseground is definitely not a favorite of mine. I seem to get lost and there are so many variations I tend to forget which one I am doing and make a mess of it. Roseground is a Torchon stitch and Honeycomb is a point ground stitch. Mark wrote: I think it has the honeycomb stitch if I am not mistaken: http://www.tat-man.net/bobbinlace/BLtorchonfan.html === I do believe that Mark has Honeycomb stitch in the 4 petal flowers closer to the upper edge. In Torchon, Honeycomb stitch comes out elongated and looks more like ovals than circles from the 45 degree ground vs. round in the 60 degree (or so) ground in point ground. Roseground is easier in Torchon since every corner gets a pin. (At least, I think so). Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] honeycomb delight...pictures of honeycomb
Does anyone know where to find prickings for the 2 pieces mentioned below? Lorri Here are a just two honeycomb stitch examples in our webshots album: Shirley Meier's bookmark has honeycomb rings outlined with a gimp thread around the edge of the bookmark http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1364069967048870129PAVLALhttp:// home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1364069967048870129PAVLAL Sue Harvey's mat...honeycomb stitch fills the area around the cloth center of the mat and is decorated with little torchon diamonds, as well as in the rings outlining the honeycomb section and along the picot edge of the mat. http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2528539030048870129XzutTKhttp://good- times.webshots.com/photo/2528539030048870129XzutTK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] honeycomb delight...pictures of honeycomb
Lorri, Shirley's bookmark comes from Stott's Visual Introduction to Bucks Point Lace, page 24, Serpentine. I don't know about Sue's mat. Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone know where to find prickings for the 2 pieces mentioned below? Lorri - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] tapioca pudding and other desserts
Dear Bev, many thanks for those great looking recipes. It was also some time before I knew that the British say 'pudding' for what we call 'dessert' (where we say what's for dessert...) I think the Brits are the same as us. However, for us a pudding must be hot and baked. We can still say What's for dessert? But that could include such gorgeous things as cold Pavolva, or hot or cold lemon meringue pie - anything sweet following the main course. David in Ballarat To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] tapioca pudding and other desserts
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David in Ballarat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I think the Brits are the same as us. However, for us a pudding must be hot and baked. We can still say What's for dessert? I think it is a matter of dialect in England. Our family have always called it pudding, regardless of being hot or cold. Pudding as part of the name implies hot, just as Sundae suggests ice-cream (though we have one chain of restaurants at the moment that has a non ice-cream sundae on its menu). Dessert in terms of the name of the course is a word we see more on restaurant menus, and puds are also referred to as sweets. It used to be that after the main course in certain restaurants, the sweet trolley would be brought round - these would be cold, though. However, we all use dessert spoons to eat them with, no matter what we call them! -- Jane Partridge To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] The origin of sundae
Ice cream sundaes are peculiarly American. Here's a web site with some of its history http://tinyurl.com/5qsj9n To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Missed messages
I keep seeing responses to messages from David Collyer but I don't see the originals ever. I don't understand how this can be as I don't seem to be missing anyone else's. Can anyone with more computer know how than I (not difficult that!) offer any kind of explanation? Patricia in Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Missed messages
For some reason, all the messages from David Collyer go into my spam filter. I have no idea why. According to my computer, his messages are in my spam filter because they have been identified by AOL's advanced spam filters. Sometimes it seems that things have gone into spam because they have automatic signatures or something like that, but it is not the case with David. I have just gone through all 6 recent David Collyer messages and told the advanced AOL spam filter, this is not spam, so we will see if it has any impact. So check your spam box. Devon **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Missed messages
Devon has hit the nail on the head :-) I investigated the Spam file and found David's messages there - plus others that, being a woman, I definitely don't need :-) When I changed from dialup to broadband I must also have updated aol. Previously, I never saw spam messages at all. In fact, I used to wonder why there was a facility to view spam as such mail was clearly being filtered out but I never knew how much, what kind etc. Patricia in Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Missed messages
At 12:16 PM 8/29/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I keep seeing responses to messages from David Collyer but I don't see the originals ever. I don't understand how this can be as I don't seem to be missing anyone else's. Can anyone with more computer know how than I (not difficult that!) offer any kind of explanation? Patricia in Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] == Well, David is in Australia and a lot of the replies are coming from the U.S. and other parts west of both you and David. The International Date Line may be re-ordering the messages as they come in. The replies may be coming in the day before David's post! He was trying to go to bed as I recall. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
