[lace] Creaky Majordomo

[Sue Fink]

Hi Avital,

 

Your comment that majordomo is becoming creaky is of some concern.  It is
only to be expected though after being in use all those years and technology
advancing.  Should we be looking at updating in some way?  Perhaps we could
all contribute a little to the cost as I am sure there will be some!  Who
knows about these things?  Should we be talking to Liz about it and seeing
what can be done and can we help in some way.

 

Sincerely,

 

Sue Fink,

Masterton, New Zealand

 

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[lace] Creaky Majordomo

[Jean Nathan]

Sue wrote:



A couple/few years ago we had trouble with a disruptive member - think that 
was when Avital took on the moderation. Someone from the persons service 
provider set up another group for us - might be the Yahoo Group that's 
currently running. Several Arachne members joined that, BUT they also stayed 
with Arachne. Yahoo groups are free to set up and run, and can be done by 
anyone, so there's no need for cost, which would be extremely difficult to 
collect and co-ordinate with the number of different countries and 
currencies associated with our members.


Don't know what it is, but to me there's something very appealing about this 
group and the way it operates - more so than any other group I belong to.


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 


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[lace] Creaky Majordomo

[Jane Partridge]

In message , Jean 
Nathan  writes

A couple/few years ago we had trouble with a disruptive member - think that
was when Avital took on the moderation. Someone from the persons service
provider set up another group for us - might be the Yahoo Group that's
currently running. Several Arachne members joined that, BUT they also stayed
with Arachne.


I thought the Yahoo Group (don't you have to register with Yahoo to use 
them? - that has always put me off) was set up when we were talking 
about doing a group Arachne project for the "Seven" competition, and it 
was agreed that those participating would discuss the project on that 
group but report back to the main list every so often - it then appeared 
to die a death as the globe, as far as I am aware, never materialised 
and nothing more was said on the list.


--
Jane Partridge

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[lace] Creaky Majordomo

[Jean Nathan]

Lesley wrote:

little cranky every so often, I find it very easy to manage.  I'm not sure 
what else Arachne covers, but a Yahoo group can have databases, files, 
photos, a calender and, possibly of interest to Brenda, polls.>


I belong to several Yahoo groups, and they do have all the bells and 
whistles, but they are not spontaneous - I've waited anything between half 
an hour and four hours for a post to appear in a group, and then equally as 
long for a reply.


One thing I really like about Arachne is that I've posted a question at 9 pm 
and in less that two minutes, someone in Australia has replied. If I post in 
the morning, several replies can arrive in the next 15 minutes, so you can 
more or less have a conversation by email.


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 


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[lace] Creaky Majordomo

[Margot Walker]

On 15 Apr 2009, at 17:10, bev walker wrote:


FWIW there is board software where one posts in real time.


Bev, are you referring to the one you use for the Canadian  
Lacemakers' Gazette Chat Group?  If so, a travel chat group that I'm  
a member of also uses it.  I like it very much, especially being able  
to chat back and forth, to post pictures and to search easily for  
previous posts.


However, I'd suggest staying with 'the tried and true' until it gets  
too creaky.  (I know absolutely nothing about these kinds of things,  
but I think that Majordomo may be less work for the owner/moderator?


Anyway, if the time comes when Majordomo doesn't work for us any  
longer, perhaps you and Avital can get together and make the switch?


Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada
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Re: [lace] Creaky Majordomo

[Brenda Paternoster]

I agree with you Jean.

I am subscribed to Yahoo bobbinlace but I don't often post there.  
Somehow there seems to be a shallowness about the discussions on that 
group which doesn't happen with Arachne, but I can't really say why it 
is.  It's not just that Arachne has long established members; new 
people often join us and they make valuable contributions to our 
discussions.


Brenda

On 14 Apr 2009, at 08:35, Jean Nathan wrote:

Don't know what it is, but to me there's something very appealing 
about this group and the way it operates - more so than any other 
group I belong to.


Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

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Re: [lace] Creaky Majordomo

[Sue Duckles]

I would agree with this.  There is something really special about  
Arachne that doesn't seem to happen in any other group.  However, it  
is possible to set up groups on Yahoo which are moderated, and people  
can only join if approved, it seems though that the discussions on  
those groups are, as Brenda says, shallow.  They don't seem to have  
the depth of knowledge which exists on here (unless of course, that is  
what comes with age. and this group is ancient by internet  
standards!!) (VBG)


Sue in EY
On 14 Apr 2009, at 09:09, Brenda Paternoster wrote:


I agree with you Jean.

I am subscribed to Yahoo bobbinlace but I don't often post there.   
Somehow there seems to be a shallowness about the discussions on  
that group which doesn't happen with Arachne, but I can't really say  
why it is.  It's not just that Arachne has long established members;  
new people often join us and they make valuable contributions to our  
discussions.


Brenda


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Re: [lace] Creaky Majordomo

[Avital]

Sue and others,

I meant only that majordomo is not as user-friendly as some of the
newer programs. But it does work! It just has some difficulty dealing
with HTML, certain codes, and very polite subscription requests from
Tamara. ;-P  I don't think updating it would be feasible. Arachne is
hosted at Panix.com, where Liz works (last time I was in touch with
her), so it's basically free. Majordomo is the list software and it is
robust and reliable. It's been years since I can recall the list ever
going down for any reason. I would say that as long as there's a human
(me) who can sort out subscription difficulties, there's no reason to
change. Liz doesn't want to be involved on a day-to-day level with
Arachne at the moment and I don't mind the little time it takes to
keep an eye on things because I'm connected to a computer almost all
my waking hours anyway. So the current arrangement seems to be
working.

The bigger list hosts, like Yahoo Groups, offer more whistles and
bells but you would really be opening the floodgates. The list would
balloon in size overnight. As someone pointed out, it could be
switched to a moderated list, but that's a lot more work for the
moderators (I would need help because I'm off-line during Jewish
holidays) and it makes the list a bit anemic when you have to wait a
few hours for your message to appear. One of the reasons that this
list has, in my opinion, kept its original flavour so well and
remained such a helpful and civil list is because it's off the beaten
path. It's a little harder to find and it spreads mostly by word of
mouth, so it attracts very few trolls and flamers. Honestly, I think
it's better to leave the list as it is, unless Panix.com starts to
have really serious problems.

Best wishes,

Avital


On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Sue Fink  wrote:
> Hi Avital,
>
> Your comment that majordomo is becoming creaky is of some concern.  It is
> only to be expected though after being in use all those years and technology
> advancing.  Should we be looking at updating in some way?  Perhaps we could
> all contribute a little to the cost as I am sure there will be some!  Who
> knows about these things?  Should we be talking to Liz about it and seeing
> what can be done and can we help in some way.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Sue Fink,
>
> Masterton, New Zealand

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Re: [lace] Creaky Majordomo

[Avital]

P.S.

In a way, Majordomo is quite appropriate for our list. Arachne is 14
(I think) years old, which is ancient by Internet standards. Most of
us aren't spring chickens. So it's no surprise that our server
software is old, creaky, and reliable. 

Avital

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[Sue]

  I have subscribed and unsubscribed several times when away from home 
for more than a few days, with a great deal of difficulty mostly.
(Due to me and how I read instructions mostly), but I have finally worked it 
out and this time was the first time I have managed straight in without 
difficulty.


Yippeee, and thank you all for the wonderful support, help and advise so 
freely given to help some of us mature, but not so experienced lacemakers.

Sue T, Dorset UK


P.S.

In a way, Majordomo is quite appropriate for our list. Arachne is 14
(I think) years old, which is ancient by Internet standards. Most of
us aren't spring chickens. So it's no surprise that our server
software is old, creaky, and reliable. 

Avital

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Re: [lace] Creaky Majordomo

[Clay Blackwell]

I agree with you completely, Jean!!  The Yahoo groups have so many bells 
and whistles, but with all that, they aren't a bit better...  except, 
perhaps, that you can post pictures.  Part of the appeal of this group 
is that it appears in my mail, just as any other email, and so I feel 
more directly connected to everyone!


Clay

Jean Nathan wrote:

Sue wrote:



A couple/few years ago we had trouble with a disruptive member - think 
that was when Avital took on the moderation. Someone from the persons 
service provider set up another group for us - might be the Yahoo 
Group that's currently running. Several Arachne members joined that, 
BUT they also stayed with Arachne. Yahoo groups are free to set up and 
run, and can be done by anyone, so there's no need for cost, which 
would be extremely difficult to collect and co-ordinate with the 
number of different countries and currencies associated with our members.


Don't know what it is, but to me there's something very appealing 
about this group and the way it operates - more so than any other 
group I belong to.


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK
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Re: [lace] Creaky Majordomo

[Madame RD]

agreed !

dom from Paris where Springs seems to settle down for good ..

Avital a écrit :

Sue and others,

I meant only that majordomo is not as user-friendly as some of the
newer programs. But it does work! It just has some difficulty dealing
with HTML, certain codes, and very polite subscription requests from
Tamara. ;-P  I don't think updating it would be feasible. Arachne is
hosted at Panix.com, where Liz works (last time I was in touch with
her), so it's basically free. Majordomo is the list software and it is
robust and reliable. It's been years since I can recall the list ever
going down for any reason. I would say that as long as there's a human
(me) who can sort out subscription difficulties, there's no reason to
change. Liz doesn't want to be involved on a day-to-day level with
Arachne at the moment and I don't mind the little time it takes to
keep an eye on things because I'm connected to a computer almost all
my waking hours anyway. So the current arrangement seems to be
working.

The bigger list hosts, like Yahoo Groups, offer more whistles and
bells but you would really be opening the floodgates. The list would
balloon in size overnight. As someone pointed out, it could be
switched to a moderated list, but that's a lot more work for the
moderators (I would need help because I'm off-line during Jewish
holidays) and it makes the list a bit anemic when you have to wait a
few hours for your message to appear. One of the reasons that this
list has, in my opinion, kept its original flavour so well and
remained such a helpful and civil list is because it's off the beaten
path. It's a little harder to find and it spreads mostly by word of
mouth, so it attracts very few trolls and flamers. Honestly, I think
it's better to leave the list as it is, unless Panix.com starts to
have really serious problems.

Best wishes,

Avital


On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Sue Fink  wrote:
  

Hi Avital,

Your comment that majordomo is becoming creaky is of some concern.  It is
only to be expected though after being in use all those years and technology
advancing.  Should we be looking at updating in some way?  Perhaps we could
all contribute a little to the cost as I am sure there will be some!  Who
knows about these things?  Should we be talking to Liz about it and seeing
what can be done and can we help in some way.



Sincerely,



Sue Fink,

Masterton, New Zealand



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Re: [lace] Creaky Majordomo

[lesley.blackshaw]

>>>Jean Nathan wrote:
 Yahoo groups are free to set up and run
<

I have run a Yahoo Group for about 10 years, and although Yahoo can be a little 
cranky every so often, I find it very easy to manage.  I'm not sure what else 
Arachne covers, but a Yahoo group can have databases, files, photos, a calender 
and, possibly of interest to Brenda, polls.

hth
Lesley
Marple UK

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Re: [lace] Creaky Majordomo

[bev walker]

FWIW there is board software where one posts in real time.  Archiving,
searching, photo galleries, polling, and all that excitement are part of the
software, too. The set up requires a host server, then someone to administer
it, and as with the yahoo and google groups, there can be moderators. These
boards, or forums, can be in strict privacy, or open to the public. When
public, the topics can be found via, for instance, google search, same as
that in our own arachne archives.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jean Nathan  wrote:

> I belong to several Yahoo groups, and they do have all the bells and
> whistles, but they are not spontaneous - I've waited anything between half
> an hour and four hours for a post to appear in a group, and then equally as
> long for a reply.
>
> One thing I really like about Arachne is that I've posted a question at 9
> pm and in less that two minutes, someone in Australia has replied. If I post
> in the morning, several replies can arrive in the next 15 minutes, so you
> can more or less have a conversation by email.
>
>
-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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Re: [lace] Creaky Majordomo

[bev walker]

As the saying goes, if it ain't broke don't fix it :p

But there is Majordomo2 in the works, so perhaps our (arachne) list owner
might consider that, if it comes to needing a change to keep up with the
times.


On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Margot Walker
wrote:

>
>
> Anyway, if the time comes when Majordomo doesn't work for us any longer,
> perhaps you and Avital can get together and make the switch?
>
>

-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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Re: [lace] Creaky Majordomo

[Clay Blackwell]

As much as I  admire the talents of my sister Arachnids who are "fluent 
in internet", and love them for their knowledge *and* skills with lace, 
I feel a need to say that I love this list just as it is, and until we 
have clear and certain knowledge that Majordomo is going to go belly up, 
I'd prefer to leave it "as is".  Based on my own resistance to change, 
I'm afraid that we would lose a significant number of members if we 
changed.  Furthermore, I don't think this discussion was brought on by 
any real failing on the part of Majordomo...  just a speculative comment 
which started a thread.  

It seems to me that a more productive action would be to come up with a 
simple, but effective plan for someone (Liz?  Avital?)  to be able to 
contact the entire list in case a catastrophic failure brought Majordomo 
to an end, allowing us to continue to communicate until we could 
subscribe to another system.


yours, the eternal pragmatist...

Clay

Clay Blackwell
Lynchburg, VA  USA

bev walker wrote:

FWIW there is board software where one posts in real time.  Archiving,
searching, photo galleries, polling, and all that excitement are part of the
software, too. The set up requires a host server, then someone to administer
it, and as with the yahoo and google groups, there can be moderators. These
boards, or forums, can be in strict privacy, or open to the public. When
public, the topics can be found via, for instance, google search, same as
that in our own arachne archives.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jean Nathan   

wrote:



  

I belong to several Yahoo groups, and they do have all the bells and
whistles, but they are not spontaneous - I've waited anything between half
an hour and four hours for a post to appear in a group, and then equally as
long for a reply.

One thing I really like about Arachne is that I've posted a question at 9
pm and in less that two minutes, someone in Australia has replied. If I post
in the morning, several replies can arrive in the next 15 minutes, so you
can more or less have a conversation by email.





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