Re: [lace] Lace knitting

[Avital]

Well done, Heather! That is a very impressive lace peacock.

I had no idea that my old Angelfire site
 was still up! (Of
course, nothing really dies on the Internet.) I'm glad you found that
inspirational. That blog is now 20 years old!

With the passage of time, my eyesight has, er, matured somewhat. :- ) I
don't do insane miniature knitting these days. When I do close work, I use
+1.5 reading glasses + MagEyes , with the
#7 lens.

Avital


> Thank you, Avital, for being my inspiration in insane knitting so many
> years ago, and even still. Your knitting long ago stuck with a beginner
> knitter 'til she became skilled enough to tackle it. This one's for you.
>
> https://renaissancecanuck.wordpress.com/2020/01/27/the-peacock/
>
> Heather in wintery SW Ontario, Canada

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Re: [lace] Lace knitting

[Adele Shaak]

Thanks for the story! Miniature lace knitting is so impressive!

I did a little lace knitting many years ago; then I tried a Shetland shawl that 
I realized, on about the 5th try, had a mistake in the pattern! I haven’t done 
any since. 

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)


> On Jan 27, 2020, at 6:37 AM, Jazmin  wrote:
> 
> I thought I'd share my most recent finished piece.. I know it's knitted
> lace, and if crochet is the redheaded step child of the lace world, we're
> the one who half the time doesn't even make the family tree. Still..
> 
> 
> Heather in wintery SW Ontario, Canada

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Re: [lace] Lace knitting

[Maureen]

Fabulous article. Thank you.

Regards 
Maureen UK


> On 27 Jan 2020, at 14:56, Jazmin  wrote:
> 
> I thought I'd share my most recent finished piece.. I know it's knitted
> lace, and if crochet is the redheaded step child of the lace world, we're
> the one who half the time doesn't even make the family tree. Still..
> 
> Amongst the circles i hang with, there is something called Wordfame
> Wednesday, and while it's not Wednesday, pretend with me that it is if you
> would just for a moment.
> 
> Thank you, Avital, for being my inspiration in insane knitting so many
> years ago, and even still. Your knitting long ago stuck with a beginner
> knitter 'til she became skilled enough to tackle it. This one's for you.
> 
> https://renaissancecanuck.wordpress.com/2020/01/27/the-peacock/
> 
> Heather in wintery SW Ontario, Canada
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[lace] Lace knitting

[Jazmin]

I thought I'd share my most recent finished piece.. I know it's knitted
lace, and if crochet is the redheaded step child of the lace world, we're
the one who half the time doesn't even make the family tree. Still..

Amongst the circles i hang with, there is something called Wordfame
Wednesday, and while it's not Wednesday, pretend with me that it is if you
would just for a moment.

Thank you, Avital, for being my inspiration in insane knitting so many
years ago, and even still. Your knitting long ago stuck with a beginner
knitter 'til she became skilled enough to tackle it. This one's for you.

https://renaissancecanuck.wordpress.com/2020/01/27/the-peacock/

Heather in wintery SW Ontario, Canada

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[lace] (lace) knitting from charts

[Lyn Bailey]

I am first a knitter, having learned to knit at 5.  Only began lacemaking at
the hoary age of 30. [no wisecracks please] With charts, I have found copying
the chart, making it large enough to be easy to read, is a great help.  I then
use a pencil and LIGHTLY shade out the row I’ve finished.  That way I can
see where I’ve been, and I know absolutely what row I am on, and there’s
nothing to fall off.  It’s easy to take with you.  Charts are definitely the
way to go.  At least for me.  I can see what it looks like.

Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where we had a dusting of snow last
night, and the weather, though sunny, is now seasonably cold.  At almost 7
p.m. it’s 30F, –1C.

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[lace] lace knitting + supplies + dying wool

[Sister Claire]

Hi all.

The latest round of chemotherapy is doing obnoxious things to my eyes, so
I've had to put down bobbin lace for a while. In the meantime, I've taken up
knitted lace to keep me out of trouble.

I decided to start with a very, very simple pattern (garter stitch,
essentially) using lace weight wool on large-ish needles so that I can work
on perfecting my tension. Does anyone have any suggestions or
recommendations about knitting lace? I am a competent knitter of garments,
but completely new to knitting lace.

Also - do any (or rather "either") of our other Israeli members know where I
can get a swift and a ball winder in Israel? Or does anyone on the list have
a used swift they would be willing to sell me? Or manual ball winder?

And finally - the merino lace-weight wool I bought is not the color I
thought it would be. It is sort of a dark ecru or light tan with yellow
undertones but I need something in the brown/tan/khaki/beige range. I've
already started knitting, but can I die the finished product? How do I do
that?

Thanks for letting me pick your brains!

Sr. Claire

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[lace] lace knitting

[Jane Partridge]

In message <3c73a.3a607a.3a856...@aol.com>, jeria...@aol.com writes

On this subject, please also refer to our own  archives.  There has been a
lot of correspondence on this subject since the  1985 founding of our
Arachne group:


It was April 1995 - though we've covered a lot of ground since then :-)
--
Jane Partridge

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Re: [lace] lace knitting

[Jeriames]

On this subject, please also refer to our own  archives.  There has been a 
lot of correspondence on this subject since the  1985 founding of our 
Arachne group:
 
_www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/index.html_ 
(http://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/index.html)  
 
Some Search box entries to use, in this case:
 
History of lace knitting
Lace knitting
Shetland lace
etc.
 
Please remember that Avital (our web master) does a lot of work for us  
every day.  It is no accident that we have a nice archive of past  
correspondence.  This is always a good place to go first, when trying to  get 
lace 
information!
 
Jeri Ames in  Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center  

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[lace] lace knitting

[Dmt11home]

Nathalie didn't say she thought knitting developed to imitate lace, she  
wondered if "lace knitting" developed to imitate lace. We know knitting is 
very  old. I don't claim to know the history of knitting, but I think the 
Vikings were  doing it, and they probably weren't the first. But the question 
about lace  knitting is interesting. Certainly the technology was present, but 
were people  making very loose airy knitting prior to the development of 
lace? Lace seems to  have developed only in Europe and as a response to changes 
in European fashion,  ie. the need to embellish the necklines of 
underblouses in the late 15th, early  16th century, and then ran amok, what 
with the 
Flemish linen industry, Ruffs,  etc. Knitting does seem better suited to 
keeping people warm than to making  items full of holes that must be less warm 
than Fair Isle Sweaters, for  instance.
 
Do those lacey Shetland shawls predate the lace craze in fashion? If so, it 
 would have formed what we think of as a lace aesthetic prior to the 
development  of lace as we know it.
 
I am photographing a lace collection which includes some rather clunky  
knitted lace edgings, yards of them. They are not delicate, yet, I think they  
were intended to look like lace, but heavy, ugly lace. I can't imagine what 
they  were used for.They seem too heavy for underwear. Pillow cases perhaps? 
 Embellishment for costumes that relied too highly on the assurances 
contained in  women's handicraft magazines that you could make your own lace? I 
think they  probably date from the late 19th or even the early 20th century. 
They have the  kind of profound ugliness that you often see on things that 
date from the  1930s.
 
Devon

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Re: [lace] Lace knitting

[jviking]

Hi Bev and All,  Yes, the thin sheet of silk is called a "hanky".  I
wasn't sure how that would translate around the world.  I also bought some
called caps which I think are a little bigger.  THe quality of my thread
is just right for knitting though my second batch came out more regular
than my first very slubby batch!

I am honing my "skills" with a book called Fearless Knitting Workbook by
Jennifer E. Seiffert ISBN978-1-59668-149-1 from Interweave Press.  There
are some nice lace patterns in it but I'm still on the first pattern. 
Knitting may not be for me since I'm having trouble doing K1, P1, K1, P1,
etc. . Reading directions is also a problem - not the directions but
actually reading them instead of thinking I know what to do!

Jane in Vermont, USA where it is cloudy today but was gloriously sunny
yesterday~
jvik...@sover.net


> Those thin sheets are called 'hanky' I think?
> They are stretched out coccoons. Some use saliva as the wetting agent. I
> prefer plain water!
> I have some and thread from it, haven't yet concluded what to do with it
> yet. Lace knitting with it would be fun!
>
> Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
> Canada
>

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Re: [lace] Lace knitting

[bev walker]

Those thin sheets are called 'hanky' I think?
They are stretched out coccoons. Some use saliva as the wetting agent. I
prefer plain water!
I have some and thread from it, haven't yet concluded what to do with it
yet. Lace knitting with it would be fun!

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Jane Viking Swanson wrote:

>
>
> It's a lace knitted skarf and you "spin" the silk to knit with!  The kit
> comes with a bunch of very thin sheets of silk fibers (about 9X9" (21-1/2
> cm
> square).  You make a large hole in the center of the sheet and gradually
> pull it bigger and bigger - it looks like an open skein of yarn.
>
>

-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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[lace] Lace knitting

[Jane Viking Swanson]

Hi All,  I got a neat lace knitting kit at the Massachusetts Sheep and Wool
festival.  Sumac and I went and I was looking for a kit I saw last year and
I found it!

It's a lace knitted skarf and you "spin" the silk to knit with!  The kit
comes with a bunch of very thin sheets of silk fibers (about 9X9" (21-1/2 cm
square).  You make a large hole in the center of the sheet and gradually
pull it bigger and bigger - it looks like an open skein of yarn.  You pull
it until your arms can't go any wider and then you start pulling out the
sides until you get a thin amount of silk.  You wet your fingers and rub the
silk between them and it makes thread!!

The lace pattern is lovely and I can't wait to try it!!  At the moment my
knitting skills are quite primative so I'm going to practice more before I
try the skarf.

It's from Saratoga Llamas in Saratoga Springs, New York and they don't have
a website.  Just a happy customer.

Jane in Vermont, USA where we've had a lot of rain today
jvik...@sover.net

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Re: [lace] Lace knitting hint

[Cindy]

Hmm, I love lace tips, knitting or otherwise.  I have been lace knitting, and 
not been making bobbin lace since my baby was born (wow, already 10 months ago) 
 I find putting knitting away much easier when needed then putting bobbin lace 
away.  And with a toddler and a crawler in my house leaving things out is just 
not an option.  

Another way of keeping track of where you are in a pattern is to use a metal 
surface (like a cookie sheet) and strip magnets (like business cards or you can 
buy them at most hobby stores).  I keep the magnet above the row I am working 
on and can therefore see whether the pattern lines up as well as what I need to 
do.  If you loose your place you could use a smaller magnet to show 10 or so 
stitches that need to be worked next, and you just move the small magnet 
another 10 stitches when you have them finished.  

Cindy from Dallas, TX, where it is 60 degrees and sunny!
RavelryID: cinhad
Blog: http://knittingyards.wordpress.com/ (updated 11/17/09)

On Jan 19, 2010, at 12:14 PM, C Johnson wrote:

> Good day to all Lacemakers!
> 
> Speaking of knitting, At the L.A.C.E. Guild meeting last Saturday, I was so
> pleased to see the ladies Lace knitting.  Lace knitting is very challenging to
> me...Jan Frederickson was working on a lovely lace scarf and was kind enough
> to give this lace knitting beginner a very nice hint, which is to increase the
> size of the pattern or graph, and keep it handy to follow your rows.  And pick
> up a sticky note that can easily be placed under the row that you are
> presently working on.  Thanks Jan.  I know I will use that hint.
> 
> Susie Johnson
> Morris Illinois
> Where the sky is finally a little bit blue here in Grundy County
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Re: [lace] Lace knitting hint

[C Johnson]

Additionally and along the same line:  those magnetic boards that
cross-stitchers use with the long narrow magnets allows you to mark your rows
also.  Would work well if your knitting area allows you space to use it.

Susie again from Morris, IL

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Re: [lace] Lace knitting hint

[bev walker]

This is a good tip to mark as such in one's message folders ;)
I've got a label 'hint' in gmail.

Although the knitting I am doing is not lace, it involves patterns with
changes to most rows. I am using a similar tip from the Binche and Flanders
quarter where we use stickie 'arrows' as place-markers in the diagrams. I
use a stickie arrow to indicate which row in the written instructions I'm on
for a textured pattern. A sticky note, a square, worked for a time, until I
muddled which row it was indicating. I need all the pointers possible (oh ha
ha). Thanks for this one ;)

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:14 AM, C Johnson wrote:

> ... to increase the
> size of the pattern or graph, and keep it handy to follow your rows.  And
> pick
> up a sticky note that can easily be placed under the row that you are
> presently working on.



-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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[lace] Lace knitting hint

[C Johnson]

Good day to all Lacemakers!

Speaking of knitting, At the L.A.C.E. Guild meeting last Saturday, I was so
pleased to see the ladies Lace knitting.  Lace knitting is very challenging to
me...Jan Frederickson was working on a lovely lace scarf and was kind enough
to give this lace knitting beginner a very nice hint, which is to increase the
size of the pattern or graph, and keep it handy to follow your rows.  And pick
up a sticky note that can easily be placed under the row that you are
presently working on.  Thanks Jan.  I know I will use that hint.

Susie Johnson
Morris Illinois
Where the sky is finally a little bit blue here in Grundy County

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Re: [lace] Lace knitting - help!!

[Nathalie]

Maxine, I think an option - especially if you like knitting with
circular needles - is, buying the Addi Click set. It includes a
connector that enables you to lengthen the cords. I have the KnitPicks
(or KnitPro set, as it is known in Europe) set which also contains a
connector. I think... Not sure because I am still too much of an
amateur to tackle lace shawls. Maybe one day eh?

Jealous of your talent and also of your offspring whom will receive
such a fantastic gift! Good luck!

Stevie


> I am currently knitting a lace shawl - three ply wool on 3.25 mm needles.
> This is because I was silly enough(?) to offer to knit a shawl for each of
> my offspring as they produced their first child - outcome is that I have 10
> months to knit two shawls
>
> My problem is that I am currently on a curiclar needle that is absolutely
> chokka, and the only larger one I can buy locally is only 20cm longer at 1
> metre - far too short for what I am going to need.  My request is, does
> anyone know where I can buy, online, a longer circular needle - 3.25mm x 1.5
> and/or 2 metres long.??
>
> Thanks in advance.
>

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Re:[lace] Lace knitting - help!!

[pene piip]

Maxine, there is no need to buy a longer circular needle.
You can use several shorter ones - 2 or 3 it's up to you.
When you start knitting with one needle, make sure that
you are using the other end of the same needle. There is
no need to have another separate needle as when you
are using double pointed needles.

Best of luck with the shawls.

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Re: [lace] Lace knitting - help!!

[David C COLLYER]

At 01:36 PM 29/10/2009, bev walker wrote:

Could you work on 3 circular needles? Two hold an even number of stitches
each, a third needle is active until the next needle is empty, and that
becomes the active one - assuming you are working a continuous round.
However I think this would apply to back-and-forth as well.


Certainly would. Years ago when I did a lot of lace knitting I would 
sometimes have up to 5 needles on the go at once.


David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Lace knitting - help!!

[Avital]

Are you sure you need a longer needle? I am not sure what 3-ply wool
is (the ply system for sizing yarn isn't used much outside
Australia/NZ, AfAIK), but unless it's an exceedingly thick yarn
(unlikely if you're using 3.25mm), most shawls should fit on a 1 meter
needle when the stitches are bunched close together. You're knitting a
circular shawl from the center outwards? How far along are you? Is
there really not enough room for the stitches? I've knitted several
shawls this way and can't recall any that didn't fit on a 1m needle.

Avital

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:02 AM, Maxine Diffey  wrote:
> I am currently knitting a lace shawl - three ply wool on 3.25 mm needles.
> This is because I was silly enough(?) to offer to knit a shawl for each of
> my offspring as they produced their first child - outcome is that I have 10
> months to knit two shawls
>
> My problem is that I am currently on a curiclar needle that is absolutely
> chokka, and the only larger one I can buy locally is only 20cm longer at 1
> metre - far too short for what I am going to need.  My request is, does
> anyone know where I can buy, online, a longer circular needle - 3.25mm x 1.5
> and/or 2 metres long.??
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Maxine - in a very disturbed weather, springtime New Zealand

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Re: [lace] Lace knitting - help!!

[Mitchell]

Well  For the components mentioned below, go to knitpicks.com - they 
sell points and cables and I think they might even sell connectors to join 
cables together for increased length.  These "cable" needles are the only 
ones I use even for straight knitting because the shorter points are easier 
for my small, arthritic hands.


Usual disclaimers,
Linda, the string-a-holic in Oregon where our rainy season is begining - and 
won't end until late spring.


- Original Message - 
From: "bev walker" 

To: "Maxine Diffey" 
Cc: "Arachne" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [lace] Lace knitting - help!!



Could you work on 3 circular needles? Two hold an even number of stitches
each, a third needle is active until the next needle is empty, and that
becomes the active one - assuming you are working a continuous round.
However I think this would apply to back-and-forth as well. All else I can
suggest is to google lace knitting supplies, if there isn't a long enough
option, you might want to locate a place that sells the needle ends and 
the
connecting nylon filmament separately, so that you can customize a 
circular

needle for the project.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Maxine Diffey  wrote:



My problem is that I am currently on a curiclar needle that is absolutely
chokka, and the only larger one I can buy locally is only 20cm longer at 
1

metre - far too short for what I am going to need.  My request is, does
anyone know where I can buy, online, a longer circular needle - 3.25mm x 
1.5

and/or 2 metres long.??



--
Bev in stormy Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west
coast of Canada

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Re: [lace] Lace knitting - help!!

[bev walker]

Could you work on 3 circular needles? Two hold an even number of stitches
each, a third needle is active until the next needle is empty, and that
becomes the active one - assuming you are working a continuous round.
However I think this would apply to back-and-forth as well. All else I can
suggest is to google lace knitting supplies, if there isn't a long enough
option, you might want to locate a place that sells the needle ends and the
connecting nylon filmament separately, so that you can customize a circular
needle for the project.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Maxine Diffey  wrote:

> 
> My problem is that I am currently on a curiclar needle that is absolutely
> chokka, and the only larger one I can buy locally is only 20cm longer at 1
> metre - far too short for what I am going to need.  My request is, does
> anyone know where I can buy, online, a longer circular needle - 3.25mm x 1.5
> and/or 2 metres long.??
>
>
-- 
Bev in stormy Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west
coast of Canada

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Re: [lace] Lace knitting help

[Brenda Paternoster]

Hi Jacquie

Google 'Knitting Estonia' and you get lots of interesting sites 
including:

http://www.einst.ee/publications/crafts_and_arts/socks.html
which answers your question about Estonian 'fair isle'

http://www.knittingbeyondthehebrides.org/lace/estonian.html
http://www.dominiqueknitting.blogspot.com/
are interesting too.

Brenda

On 29 Aug 2007, at 18:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

One of my friends who I meet only a couple of times a year brought a 
scarf/
shawl to show me.  About 1' wide and 3' long it was knited in a sort 
of fan
stitch grafted together in the centre; it probably dates way back.  
She has
just holidayed in Shetland and they said it was just like their lace, 
but they
thought it's odd it's done in pastel coloured stripes.  However, her 
family was
in Estonia (she is technically Swedish) and I wondered if it could 
come from
there as that also has a lace knitting tradition, I think, and I 
wondered if

this site would answer the question.

Also, does anyone know if there is a 'Fairisle' type knitting 
traditional to
Estonia as she also has a very old pair of mittens with an imperial 
eagle on

the backs and a small geometric pattern on the rest.


Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

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[lace] Lace knitting help

[Laceandbits]

Recently someone posted a link for a site which had comparisons between 
Shetland and other knitted lace traditions.  I was sure I had bookmarked it but 
if 
I did, I don't know what as!

I have looked in the archives but I am not sure what the thread was and can't 
trace it that way.  Any help would be appreciated.

One of my friends who I meet only a couple of times a year brought a scarf/
shawl to show me.  About 1' wide and 3' long it was knited in a sort of fan  
stitch grafted together in the centre; it probably dates way back.  She has 
just holidayed in Shetland and they said it was just like their lace, but they 
thought it's odd it's done in pastel coloured stripes.  However, her family was 
in Estonia (she is technically Swedish) and I wondered if it could come from 
there as that also has a lace knitting tradition, I think, and I wondered if 
this site would answer the question.

Also, does anyone know if there is a 'Fairisle' type knitting traditional to 
Estonia as she also has a very old pair of mittens with an imperial eagle on 
the backs and a small geometric pattern on the rest.  Her family tradition is 
that these were a gift from the Russian Tsar as her 
however-many-great-grandfather brought him a ship (she actually said sheep, but 
after having this 
confusion in Moscow last year when the teacher told us the way they did tallies 
was 
like a sheep, and then did a side to side wave motion, I'm not going to be 
fooled again).  But she says they could have been made while the family were in 
Estonia.

Mnay thanks, Jacquie   

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Re: [lace] (Lace Knitting) Mystery Stole Along 3 begins

[Barron]

Hi Clay, the first stole is here, called Leda's Dream
   
  http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7587/824/1600/stole11.jpg
   
  last years here, called Scheherazade Stole
   
  http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7587/824/1600/Scheherazade%202.1.jpg
   
  jenny barron
  Rainy in Scotland

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  Hi Susan !

This looks like a lot of fun! Are there any pictures of previous Mystery Stoles 
(I'm assuming that two have already been done...)

Thanks!

Clay

Clay Blackwell

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Re: [lace] lace knitting/knitted lace

[Patty Dowden]

I am intrigued to find a lot of older knitted lace patterns reinvented
bobbin lace patterns. However I think I'd like to come up with a
completely different lace in knitting -
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bye for now
Bev, armchair knitting in sunny, green Sooke BC (on Vancouver Island,

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Hi Bev,

I was looking at some really classic German lace knit patterns and was 
struck by their similarity to Binche.  The grounds, the motifs in plain 
knitting.  Also, it was not until I had been steeped in lace for quite some 
time that I finally solved the mystery (to my own satisfaction) of where 
crochet lace patterns came from.  A lot of the lacier crochet is definitely 
guipure if not Cluny.  Of course Dillmont has a terrific crochet replica of 
Reticella which I made one New Year's Eve when I was too sick to go out.


Patty 


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[lace] lace knitting/knitted lace

[bevw]

Season's Greetings everyone
I thought during the holiday lull I might pick up knitting needles and
practice lace knitting, something non-bobbin-lace that I could learn
more about. I've had two titles on my bookshelf for years:- Margaret
Stove's Hand Knitted Lace and Barbara Abbey's Knitting Lace. MS in her
book explains the difference between lace knitting and knitted lace. I
find this bit fascinating.
In one, the lace knitting, there is a relief row where you purl all
the stitches. The other, knitted lace,  every row is a pattern row,
and I think requires greater concentration for a slouch like me who
prefers soothing repetitive knitting, but desires the lacey effect :)
There would be those patterns where lace knitting and knitted lace are
combined.
I am intrigued to find a lot of older knitted lace patterns reinvented
bobbin lace patterns. However I think I'd like to come up with a
completely different lace in knitting -
--
bye for now
Bev, armchair knitting in sunny, green Sooke BC (on Vancouver Island,
west coast of Canada)
Cdn. floral bobbins
www.woodhavenbobbins.com

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