[lace] Re: Arachne gathering at IOLI convention

[Janice Blair]

Thanks Ruth for the heads up about the schedule having a time for Arachne
meeting at 6:30 for an hour, I hadn't noticed it.  This year I did not
contact the host group but maybe one of the members is a member of Arachne, so
we should plan on meeting there and if anyone wants to arrange a lunch
gathering, they can do it there. 
Yes, if you have anything spidery, lacy or useful you would like to donate to
our annual free raffle please bring it. I usually have a stash of things in my
lace drawer that I bring. Put in on your phone calendar for Tuesday at 6:30
pm.Jnaice
Janice Blair Murrieta, CA, jblace.com

On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 09:59:05 AM PDT, Ruth Lyon
 wrote:

 I am coming to the IOLI convention in Nevada too.  My daughter is also
coming, and we will be in the same Bucks Point morning class with Jean
Leader!  I will also be in Sylvie Nguyen’s Schneeberger afternoon class. 
Sylvie’s class will be small, no more than 9 people, and she allows children
over the age of 8 and novices, from the pre-convention Introduction to Bobbin
Lace class, into the Scheeberger  class.  I didn’t know this when I signed
up for the class.  I’ve taken this class with Sylvie before so I’m not
newbie.  I’m sure Sylvie will teach me more, too.  Teaching children
bobbin lace is wonderful idea.

I was glad to see that the convention schedule includes an Arachne meeting! 
Janice, shall we bring our wrapped gifts for the gift exchange again?? 
I’’ve already bought mine!

Ruth Lyon

Dubuque, Iowa


> On May 9, 2023, at 3:50 PM, Janice Blair  wrote:
>
> Thank you to Theresa for including the previous list in her question about
if
> the list was still working. I get the Digest very infrequently as traffic
is
> slow. The attachment of the previous digest was enough to kick out the new
> one.
> Thanks also to Brenda for the BBC link for the close up photos of the
wedding
> clothes.
> BTW, is anyone going to IOLI convention this year in Sparks, Nevada.  I
will
> be going and rooming with two of my lace friends. I think this will be my
26th
> time and maybe my last one as hubby was just diagnosed with Alzheimer's.
Shall
> we try and get together at lunchtime one day?  I am in Holly's morning
> Honiton class but I will be working on a Thomas Lester piece. 
> Janice
> Janice Blair Murrieta, CA, jblace.com
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Re: [lace] Re: lace-digest V2022 #39

[Liz S. Reynolds]

I have to admit I don't actually know.  They are working through godaddy. I can 
only say arachne.com isn't a name that lends itself to ilk. I've had occasional 
inquiries over the years but have had no trouble declining. Whoever it is seems 
very interested and came back several times to raise the offer until I stopped 
saying no. I'm curious to see what will be done with it. 

-Liz


On Thu, Dec 08, 2022 at 08:16:53PM -0600, Chris Vail wrote:
> Hi Liz!
> 
> as one of the constant lurkers, I've been very grateful that this list
> still exists -- even if it's not getting half the traffic it used to. If
> it's not too much trouble, can we ask who is purchasing the domain? I don't
> mean a specific person, but is it at least a fiber-related
> business/organization? I ask because I have had other sites I visit turn
> into some not-so-nice content, and I admit to a very sentimental wish to
> know that my beloved spider website is at least in good hands.
> 
> Many thanks, and thank you for being willing to port this list to a new
> domain for those of us stubborn enough to remain :D
> 
> Chris V
> 
> --
> 
> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2022 08:47:36 -0500
> From: Elizabeth Reynolds 
> Subject: [lace] domain name change
> 
> Greetings to all of you!
> 
> I???m dropping by to let you know that I???ve accepted an offer for the
> arachne.com domain.   Although I???ve been inactive myself for quite a few
> years now, I???m still happy and honored to host the lace list, so I have
> obtained a new domain for it - arachnelace.com 
> I???ll be setting up the list software and copying over all the settings so
> nothing should change for you except the domain name.
> 
> If you are whitelisting lace mail you???ll want to update your filter.
> 
> I see that the lace-chat list is fairly inactive, shall I just remove it now
> or would you still like to have the option?   I will send this same message
> to
> lace-chat so nobody misses it, and keep an eye out for responses.
> 
> Thank you all for being a part of lacemaking and making lovely things.
> 
> 
> - -Liz
> 

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[lace] Re: Honiton frog patterns

[Jane Partridge]

Obviously Daphnie is upset about her patterns allegedly being plagiarised, but
if she read the post she is replying to she would see her outburst, although
raising a valid point (preferably without the abusive language!) is totally
inappropriate *as a response* as Cathy fully intended to credit Kathleen for
the design.

It is nice to know that your designs are being used, (it's why we share them)
and what other lacemakers have done to personalise the original. This was
especially so for me when the Sunnyvale Museum's book containing my Giles
bookmark arrived during my 12 day stay in hospital in 2016. I love to see
photos of lace made from my designs - I'm sure other designers feel the same.

With geometric lace (eg Torchon and Bucks) it is quite possible that something
we design is identical to something that has been done in the past, you only
have to look at the old dealers' pattern books to learn that.

It is also quite possible for two people to come up with the same idea, for
example, angels and bells have a fairly typical shape - I've recently seen
some nativity patterns that are more or less identical to those Jean Eke
designed (and published) over ten years ago.

(It was thanks to Jean's eagle eyes I was credited for one of my designs used
as the basis of a chapter in a book on Bucks Point lace!)

Jane Partridge

Daphnie Martin wrote :

Nobody has the damn right to just take other peoples patterns and pretend they
are their designs.

Where is the care for our designers rights.


Cathy Morris said :

Dear Clare and Jane,
Thank you so much!  That is just what I was looking for. I certainly would
like to use Kathleen’s prickings and attribute them to her if she is willing
to share them.

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RE: [lace] Re: Honiton frog patterns

[J-D Hammett]

Hi,

As a Dutch woman, a lace-maker and lace-teacher living in England, who
occasionally designs a few bits for my students I am rather upset about the
tone of the original message. To call someone a “damned Dutch woman” is NOT
something I would have expected on Arachne. Not only that, it lobs all Dutch
women onto one heap. I have never in my life claimed anyone else’s patterns as
my own and always try to give the name of the original designer, where at all
possible, for any pattern I use.

HAPPY lacemaking,
Joepie Hammett in sunny Sussex.



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Sent: 22 June 2022 09:46
To: 'Daphne Martin'<mailto:ladylace...@msn.com>; 'ROBERT
MORRIS'<mailto:dalmorri...@aol.com>; 'Jane
Partridge'<mailto:mous...@live.co.uk>; 'Clare
Lewis'<mailto:clareandver...@gmail.com>
Cc: lace@arachne.com<mailto:lace@arachne.com>
Subject: RE: [lace] Re: Honiton frog patterns

I feel your pain. Louise West had the audacity to purchase 3 of my angels
and then come out with one of her own. I wish I had the cost to sue but
sadly I didn't so she got away with it.

Please try and carry on designing, it is going to be hard to trust anyone
again for a while but there really are lovely lacemakers out there who
appreciate what you do.

Lou

-Original Message-
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Martin
Sent: 21 June 2022 20:35
To: ROBERT MORRIS ; Jane Partridge
; Clare Lewis 
Cc: lace@arachne.com
Subject: Re: [lace] Re: Honiton frog patterns

Nobody has the damn right to just take other peoples patterns and pretend
they are their designs. It is totally disgusting and really unfair.
Where is the care for our designers rights.
??
I had a damned Dutch woman take all my patterns and  marked them as her own.
It didb

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Re: [lace] Re: Honiton frog patterns

[Daphne Martin]

Nobody has the damn right to just take other peoples patterns and pretend they 
are their designs. It is totally disgusting and really unfair.
Where is the care for our designers rights.
??
I had a damned Dutch woman take all my patterns and  marked them as her own. It 
did’nt works out when she could’nt show any proofs they were her patterns. 
But I could.
Cheatsq

Get Outlook [Image.jpeg] for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: owner-l...@arachne.com  on behalf of ROBERT 
MORRIS 
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2022 11:26:06 PM
To: Jane Partridge ; Clare Lewis 
Cc: lace@arachne.com 
Subject: [lace] Re: Honiton frog patterns

Dear Clare and Jane,
Thank you so much!  That is just what I was looking for. I certainly would
like to use Kathleen’s prickings and attribute them to her if she is willing
to share them. As I said, I fell in love with them 30 years ago and said to
myself that some day I would like to make them.

I will contact the Hollies.

Best regards,
Cathy Morris
Dallas, TX

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 13, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Jane Partridge  wrote:
> 
> I think Kathleen Brandle is still a member of The Lace Guild so it would
probably be best to contact the Hollies for them to ask her about the pattern.
If you use her images to create your own pricking I think you would be in
danger of breaking copyright - she holds it for the lace and design (as she
designed it) and the Guild hold the copyright for the images and layout.
>
> Jane Partridge

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[lace] Re: Honiton frog patterns

[Jane Partridge]

I think Kathleen Brandle is still a member of The Lace Guild so it would
probably be best to contact the Hollies for them to ask her about the pattern.
If you use her images to create your own pricking I think you would be in
danger of breaking copyright - she holds it for the lace and design (as she
designed it) and the Guild hold the copyright for the images and layout.

Jane Partridge

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Re[2]: [lace] Re: Flickr photos for Arachne

[Sue Babbs]

Thankfully it doesn't take a lot of effort!  I am happy to know people
are still interested in having our Flickr account
Sue
suebabbs...@gmail.com

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RE: [lace] Re: Flickr photos for Arachne

[J-D Hammett]

Hi Sue,

Thank you so much for putting all the effort in to keep this going.

Happy lacemaking,

Joepie,
East Sussex, UK


From: Sue Babbs<mailto:suebabbs...@gmail.com>
Sent: 19 January 2022 19:52
To: Arachne<mailto:lace@arachne.com>
Subject: [lace] Re: Flickr photos for Arachne

I thought you'd all like to know that we have had 10 people volunteer so
far to help pay this year's subscription, one of who is willing to
underwrite any balance not met by other people.  So clearly people still
want to keep our Arachne flickr account open.  Many thanks to those 10
ladies!<


..>
I will continue to collect names of people willing to help fund our
Flickr account for another year by donating a small sum eg $3 or $6 to
pay the bill in April.

Sue
suebabbs...@gmail.com

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[lace] Re: Flickr photos for Arachne

[Sue Babbs]

I thought you'd all like to know that we have had 10 people volunteer so
far to help pay this year's subscription, one of who is willing to
underwrite any balance not met by other people.  So clearly people still
want to keep our Arachne flickr account open.  Many thanks to those 10
ladies!

As I said a few days ago, we don't have to pay this till April.  Nearer
the time  I will be accepting donations via PayPal (for preference), and
will remind each of you how much you have pledged.

I will continue to collect names of people willing to help fund our
Flickr account for another year by donating a small sum eg $3 or $6 to
pay the bill in April.

Sue
suebabbs...@gmail.com

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[lace] Re: In search of information and the report of Mr White?

[Jane Partridge]

Brian, have you looked back through the Arachne archive? I seem to remember
that Sheila and her ?daughter, Kate (might have been Kate Davies? - she lived
in Scotland) were Arachnes back in the early days, and that Alan's books were
a topic of conversation (probably under 'Take the Children'). It's also at the
back of my mind that he gave a talk on the subject at a (UK) Lace Guild
Convention. Some of the older Arachnes might remember? Is anyone in touch with
Kate?

Jane Partridge



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[lace] Re Alan Brown reports. (Sheila)

[Jane Partridge]

I'm fairly certain Sheila Brown died a few years ago. I think I bought the 
Honiton one and another, but they are at our old house (we've inherited my 
husband's family home in Nottingham so are in a slow process of moving 
everything here).

Are there copies in any Guild libraries?

Seasons Greetings to everyone, hope next year will be much better.

Jane Partridge

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[lace] Re Alan Brown reports. (Sheila)

[Brian Lemin]

I have a name "Sheila" and an out of date email address, but the notes I 
have referenced her tells me that she  offers copies of the Alan Coles 
reports on lace.


I am particularly looking for the Nottingham Report, but he wrote 
another too which I do not have.



Are any of you that Lady above?  If not can anyone help me get a copy of 
the Nottingham report please.  It appears to be a very difficult 
document to to pull out of the net!



Many thanks

--
Brian. (Who lives in Awabakal Country)
Cooranbong. Australia

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Re: [lace] RE: lace-digest V2021 #28

[Adele Shaak]

Go to the Flickr site and click on “Photostream” in the top menu bar.
First there are the doily books that were just raffled off, then there’s a
piece of early spangled lace, and then Carmen Roig Ortuño’s lace pillow.

Adele


> On Oct 9, 2021, at 6:03 PM, Elizabeth Ligeti  wrote:
>
> Where do I find Carmen’s lace, please? I cannot see a section with her
name
> (can’t remember her surname) .

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[lace] RE: lace-digest V2021 #28

[Elizabeth Ligeti]

Where do I find Carmen’s lace, please? I cannot see a section with her name
(can’t remember her surname) .

Regards from Liz. L.

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[lace] Re[2]: Crocheted and tatted doily booklets

[Sue Babbs]

Hi All

I'm sorry I didn't have enough books, but the winners have been drawn:

Book 1 Doilies Crocheted & Tatted goes to Corinne
Book 2 Ruffled Doilies goes to Sarah Nunez in Virginia, whose address I
have
Book 3 Floral Doilies goes to Janet Theaker in the UK

Please could Corinne & Janet send me their addresses

Sue
suebabbs...@gmail.com

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[lace] Re: Crocheted and tatted doily booklets

[Sue Babbs]

Hi All

There will be a free raffle taking place for these booklets as there has
been more interest in them than I expected.  It will take place on
Saturday October 9th, so please get your names to me by midnight
(Central time USA) on Friday 8th

Sue
suebabbs...@gmail.com

-- Original Message --
From: "Sue Babbs" 
To: "Arachne" 
Sent: 9/30/2021 12:39:05 PM
Subject: Crocheted and tatted doily booklets

>Hi All
>
>I've been given three booklets of crocheted and tatted doily booklets,
>which I don't want, but couldn't bring myself just to recycle. I have
>put photos of their covers, and the 2 tatted doilies in my album on our
>Arachne Flickr account.  They will show up at the start of the photo
>stream until someone else uploads photos:
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/
>
>Please email me personally if you are interested in them.  I will mail
>them anywhere in the world.
>
>If there is more interest than I am expecting I will hold a raffle for
>them on Saturday October 9th, so please tell me your name, address and
>what book or books your are interested in
>
>Sue
>suebabbs...@gmail.com
>

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Re: [lace] Re: spangled lace

[J Reardon]

Congratulations on your auction find. Did you get any information from the 
seller on how they came into possession of it? I’d love to know about it’s 
journey through time.

Jean Reardon 
Western Pennsylvania 

> On Jun 2, 2021, at 10:11 AM, N.A. Neff  wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I received an answer from Gil Dye, and she says it is very probably early
> 1600's She said it looks a lot like some metal lace on a mantle dated
> reliably to 1620, and that the more complex laces were early 1600s rather
> than late 1500s, although she didn't completely rule out the latter.

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[lace] Re: spangled lace

[N.A. Neff]

Hi everybody,

I received an answer from Gil Dye, and she says it is very probably early
1600's She said it looks a lot like some metal lace on a mantle dated
reliably to 1620, and that the more complex laces were early 1600s rather
than late 1500s, although she didn't completely rule out the latter.

I'm hoping to reconstruct it. I'm making some spangles (slowly -- it is
laborious! but I think they are looking pretty good), and I have some gold
thread that should work. We'll see how that goes...

Thanks to everyone for Gil Dye's email. I was so happy to hear from her.

Nancy
Ashford, Connecticut, USA

On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 4:56 PM N.A. Neff  wrote:

> Okay, I've put up on Flickr a close-up of the spangled lace I am convinced
> is 16th or 17th C. What do you think??
>

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[lace] Re: carpal tunnel

[Shelagh Wotherspoon]

Hi,
Thanks.  Yes, I am going to physio and have some exercises to do.  I also
use a magic bag and the heat helps and I wear a brace at night when I
sleep.  It is very annoying and frustrating!
Oh well.
Have a great day and stay safe!
cheers,
Shelagh

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Sue Babbs  wrote:

> So sorry to hear about the carpal tunnel.  I developed that after
> crocheting the "urchins for Singapore harbour" in rope.
>
> I found some exercises online which really helped, and my wrists
> recovered after about 3 months
>
> Sue
> suebabbs...@gmail.com
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Shelagh Wotherspoon" 
> To: lace@arachne.com
> Sent: 4/14/2021 7:10:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [lace] Happy Anniversary
>
> >
> >Unfortunately I, too, have developed a pinched nerve or Carpal Tunnel
> >syndrome in both my wrists so I now limit lacemaking to 15 minutes
> >at a time and then take a long break.
>
>

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[lace] re: Lace Machines

[DORIS O'NEILL]

The book Lace Machines and Machine Laces by Pat Earnshaw is available on the 
ABEBooks.com  website at very reasonable prices. The book covers several types 
of lacemaking machines, with profuse illustrations comparing the machine laces 
with handmade laces. Published in 1986.

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[lace] RE: Russian translation

[Laurie Waters]

I did figure out, åìåã which the seller translated as "Elezk" on the tab is
the city of Yelets aka Elets! A well know lacemaking center.



From: Laurie Waters 
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 10:46 AM
To: lace@arachne.com
Cc: lswaters...@comcast.net
Subject: Russian translation



I recently purchased a doily on Ebay with a tag in Russian
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NWT-90s-Russian-USSR-Bobbin-Lace-White-Pure-Linen-H
andmade-Doily-10-Diameter/124509170742?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
 &_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649.

The seller says it was made in the city of Elezk in August 1982. I can't
find any information on this city on the web, but maybe I haven't looked
hard enough. There's lots more information on the tags  - with google
translate I managed after half an hour to get two words (Dear Buyer). Can
anyone help with a Russian translation of the rest? It's maybe about 70
words combined, and I can send jpgs of the two tags.

Thanks,

Laurie




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[lace] Re: Goddess of Lace?

[Joy Beeson]

On 12/5/2020 6:30 PM, H M Clarke wrote:


You might as well choose someone associated with lacemaking and call them a 
god(dess).


Knitters have three goodesses:  Mary Thomas, Elizabeth 
Zimmerman, and Barbara Walker.


Barbara Walker introduced her "The Spider" design

Drat.  Another good post ruined by a little research. 
I thought that she'd called Arachne a goddess of 
knitting, but when I looked up the exact quote, it was 
"the great-grandmother of all the world's spinners and 
weavers".


I made two splendid aran sweaters featuring that
design.  One could work it up in fingering yarn and
put knitted lace around the bottom to make a list- 
appropriate sweater.


--
Joy Beeson
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west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A.
where it's still late fall.

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[lace] Re: Techniques vs methods in lacemaking

[Gon Homburg]

Hi Nancy,

I mean with a method in bobbin lacemaking a way in which every technique can
be made.
The open method means that every stitch ends with cross, so that all threads
are always laying straight down without  any twists (open)
The closed method means that half stitch and whole stitch (with twist) end
with a twist, The threads lay after those stitches with a twist (closed)
Bobbin lace knows also various types or techniques like Torchon, Point Ground,
Guipure, Tape Lace and so on.
It doesn’t matter wether you make Torchon, Point Ground, Guipure or Tape
lace in the open or closed method. The result is the same. Afterward you can
not see the difference.
Mixing the techniques is possible but the result is different. As Robin said
making a Point Ground pricking in the Torchon technique gives a different
result than when you make in the Point Ground technique. It doesn’t look
like Point Ground any more, nor does it look like Torchon.

I hope this will help.

Gon Homburg, Amsterdam, The Netherlands



> Op 26 nov. 2020, om 11:38 heeft N.A. Neff  het
volgende geschreven:
>
> Hi Gon,
>
> Would you be so kind as to define explicitly what you mean by methods vs
techniques in bobbin lace? Not only with examples, although some will help.
I'm getting confused.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Nancy
> Ashford, Connecticut, USA
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2020, 05:00 Gon Homburg mailto:gon.homb...@me.com>> wrote:
> ...
> I think you missed the difference between a method of bobbin lacemaking and
> the various techniques.
> Every lace teacher should know about the closed and the open method in
bobbin
> lace and explain the difference between the two to their students.
> ...
>
> Robin Panza wrote:
> ...
> .  You can use torchon
> techniques on a Bucks point picking, but that doesn't mean you have made
Bucks
> point.
> ...

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[lace] RE: lace-digest V2020 #58

[Elizabeth Ligeti]

After trying various ways of making a tally, I found that holding the 3
passives in my left hand, between various fingers, and weaving the 4th bobbin
– tail first – though them was the easiest way for me.
Now I am tatting , I tried Cluny Leaves – the Tatters version of Tallies, -
and found that doing them in the hand was “crampy”, so  I turned to using
a roller pillow with berry pines to secure the threads.  I can weave the
thread much like a Bobbin lace tally, and then weave the shuttle backwards and
forwards just like the 4th bobbin! So using a frame and making them that way
is a progression from my Bobbin Lace Days!!!  It is nice when techniques from
one lace can convert to another type of lace!!  And my hands don’t get
cramps! I still have the bad tremor – that will never go away, - but at
least I can adapt things…!
I find with tatting there is a lot of Muscle Memory, and I can tat with
minimal “looking at it” for much of the time. – But I have to stop and
recount the stitches, now and again, or I get lost/forget what the count was!!
There is always a draw-back of some sort – but usually it can be overcome.
Just making lace – and chatting to lacemakers around the world, makes
mistakes a very minor irritation

We are , at last, just beginning to come out of Lock-down, after about 5
months or so. Please, everyone, Stay safe, wear a mask, and keep well. This
wretched virus is so invasive.

Regards from Liz. L.

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[lace] Re: Clarification!

[Sue Babbs]

Whoops!  Sorry, I didn't pay enough attention to Susan's email

Sue
suebabbs...@gmail.com

-- Original Message --
From: "LacySuzette" 
To: "Sue Babbs" 
Sent: 11/1/2020 2:15:01 PM
Subject: Clarification!


Hi Sue! I’m looking for 140/2 Linen,  40wcm rather than 40/2. Something about 
the same size as the YLI metallic that I’ve used on other bangles. Sorry for 
the confusion. Susan

Sent from my iPad


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[lace] Re: re. Textile encyclopedia

[Elena Kanagy-Loux]

Hi Everyone,

I wanted to send out a further update to those of you that are interested
in submitting proposals to the encyclopedia project. In order to streamline
the process, please send them to me at this email address (
enkanagyl...@gmail.com) and copy the editor Vivienne Richmond (
vivie...@viviennerichmond.com).

Of course you can identify what volume you are thinking of for your
proposal, but we will also work behind the scenes to determine where all of
the content would fit best so if you're not sure, that's okay too.

Looking forward to reading everyone's proposals!
Best Wishes,
Elena

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[lace] re. Textile encyclopedia

[Alex Stillwell]

Hi Elena

What a wonderful chance to expose others to our world. We must make the best
use of it. They say all publicity is good publicity. The same in this case. We
can argue about the name and where lace is put but what is more important is
how much space we can fill and the more space we can occupy the more important
we will appear to readers and more of them will become interested in lace. It
is about time we were given higher status in the art/craft world. There are
aspects of our subject which can occupy space in all volumes, we must take
advantage of the opportunity. Please continue keeping us in the loop, the
discussions will be interesting and I am sure they will offer new avenues for
you to follow.

Best wishes to all involved

Alex

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[lace] Re: Textile Encyclopedia

[Elena Kanagy-Loux]

Dear Arachnids,

I was just notified that Arachne doesn't allow for attachments, so here is
a website link with the information!
Please note that as this is a bit older, the call is just for contributors
now and not volume editors.
https://textilesocietyofamerica.org/opportunities/bloomsbury-encyclopedia-of-world-textiles-call-for-contributors-volume-editors

Best Wishes,
Elena

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[lace] Re[2]: Free Battenburg patterns & calendar

[Sue Babbs]

Everyone who wrote to me about the Battenburg patterns and a Lace Guild 
calendar (2002) will get at least one pattern!  Hurrah!


Sue
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[lace] Re: Free Battenburg patterns & calendar

[Sue Babbs]

After receiving a few emails, I have realised I needed to number the 
patterns on Flickr to be sure I know which you are interested in, so I 
have gone in and done that now.  So when you write, please could you 
tell me which number patterns you most want in order of preference, and 
send me your snail mail address too.




I have some Battenburg patterns and a Lace Guild calendar (2002) to give away. 
The calendar has patterns on the back of each month. I have put photos up on  
our Flickr site.

Please let me know by the end of September 19th if you are interested in any of 
them.  If there is a lot of interest, I will put names in a hat.

Sue
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Re: [lace] Re: Lace countries of the world?

[Elena Kanagy-Loux]

Dear Veronika,

That sounds like a fantastic idea, but it would certainly be a difficult
task! Devon and I have spent many hours discussing just how many lacemakers
were active during certain time periods like in the late 19th century
revival industries. While it is impossible to compile this information with
100% accuracy (alas, historical data of this kind is lacking, particularly
as it pertains to women's history), it would still be very much worth
trying to accomplish in my opinion. It would certainly be  more feasible to
compile information about where lace was made and when, even if there is no
census information.

Perhaps we could begin by compiling figures from articles and books on
specific regions into a Google Document?

Best Wishes,
Elena

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[lace] Re: Return to class

[Jane]

I get my arachne messages in the digest form, so have only just received 
last weeks emails.


Isn't arachne wonderful! So many diverse people with different expertise 
happy to share their knowledge.


Elise in Maine, I think I must print out your email and I'm sure you 
won't mind if I share it with other lace makers. I'm so pleased to 
receive advice from someone who really knows what they are talking 
about!! And I take on board your messages. Basically to stock up on hand 
sanitiser, don't bother with gloves, both of which I am happy about. 
Whether students will be prepared to wear face masks all day remains to 
be seen, but certainly we will be social distancing.


Jane also has a good point about limiting contact with a students 
pillow. On the whole, it shouldn't be necessary  I will have to keep 
my 'itchy fingers' under control. As a teacher it can be so frustrating 
seeing a student struggle, knowing I can sort things out quite easily.


Thank you everyone. This has been a most helpful discussion.
Best wishes,
Jane
In a windy New Forest

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[lace] Re: Lace countries of the world?

[Elizabeth Ligeti]

I know there are lacemakers in New Zealand, and they have  a Lace Guild there,
too. I have met one NZ Lacemaker – last year at the IOLI Convention.
I don’t know how far back the lacemaking goes, but I would think it is much
like here in Australia.

This sounds like a very interesting project.

Regards from Liz. L.
Melbourne., Oz.

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[lace] Re: Lace countries of the world?

[Elena Kanagy-Loux]

Update: Thank you for the reminder that like the US, Canada and Australia
also have histories of making lace! Also, I feel I should include South
Africa as well, as there is even a monument to a lacemaker that I have seen
photos of in SA. Question: does New Zealand have a lace tradition? What
about any other African countries with lace traditions?

Also, I will add Japan and the Philippines, because although their
industries were small and introduced by missionaries, they do have
histories of making lace. I have friends in Taiwan who make lace and where
there is a lace school in Taipei, but I wonder if there is a long history
there or if it's recent? I can ask them.

Thank you very much to everyone for your rapid and thoughtful replies! I
will reveal the purpose of creating this list in another email, with more
questions for you all if you don't mind!

Best Wishes,
Elena

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[lace] Re: Lace countries of the world?

[Elena Kanagy-Loux]

Dear Arachnids,

It has been pointed out to me that I have left Spain, Germany, Portugal,
and Switzerland off of this list, three of which are places where I have
personally traveled to study lace! So thank you for helping me with my
lapse in memory. This was a preliminary list that I wrote in about ten
minutes time, so I knew I must have forgotten some essentials.

Best Wishes,
Elena

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Re: [lace] Re: [Lace] Return to class

[Kathryn Draves]

Jane,

Having the teacher wear one pair of gloves and move from pillow to pillow
could theoretically transmit a virus from one student to the next. If the
teacher puts on a new pair of gloves each time she approaches another
pillow it would be fine. Bear in mind that medical professionals advocate
hand washing between pairs and that care must be taken in removing gloves
so that one doesn't touch the outer surface of the glove with the hands.
Properly worn masks are your most important articles.

Kathy Draves
My two cents as a retired radiologist

On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, 4:40 PM Joy Beeson  wrote:

> On 8/15/2020 7:31 AM, Jane wrote:
>
> > But I wonder if it maybe better for the teacher to
> > use close fitting disposable gloves. Would it be
> > okay to go from pillow to pillow with these? (I'm
> > wondering out loud).
>
> That ever-popular citation "I read somewhere" that for
> disease prevention gloves are worse than useless, and
> lead to spreading germs around.
>
> On the other hand, a woman who mans a vendor's booth
> said that she wears gloves so that she can wash her
> hands after each customer without washing her skin off.
>
> I do know (i.e. I've read a *lot* of somewheres) that
> hand sanitizer is a stopgap for when you can't wash
> properly.  (But it's better than just wetting your
> hands and wiping them on a dirty towel.)
>
> --
> Joy Beeson
> http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
> west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A.
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Re: [lace] Re: [Lace] Return to class

[Joy Beeson]

On 8/15/2020 7:31 AM, Jane wrote:


But I wonder if it maybe better for the teacher to
use close fitting disposable gloves. Would it be
okay to go from pillow to pillow with these? (I'm
wondering out loud).


That ever-popular citation "I read somewhere" that for 
disease prevention gloves are worse than useless, and 
lead to spreading germs around.


On the other hand, a woman who mans a vendor's booth 
said that she wears gloves so that she can wash her 
hands after each customer without washing her skin off.


I do know (i.e. I've read a *lot* of somewheres) that 
hand sanitizer is a stopgap for when you can't wash 
properly.  (But it's better than just wetting your 
hands and wiping them on a dirty towel.)


--
Joy Beeson
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A.

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[lace] Re: Return to class

[Jane Partridge]

This reminds me of a Guiders' training course I attended years ago at Foxlease, 
(in Hampshire UK) we were learning how to teach creative folk dance without 
making the movements ourselves. My thought from this is that you should be able 
to teach mostly without the need to touch their pillows, bobbins, etc, but for 
those who need to see a stitch demonstrated, could you set up a travel pillow 
with a few bobbins that you can take round the table with you, so you show them 
on your pillow, not theirs? Where mistakes are concerned learning to spot a 
mistake and correct it is progress, if need be you can tell them where to go 
back to and what has gone wrong, but don't do the undoing and redoing yourself 
or they will never learn. (I have heard some lacemakers say they always had 
their teacher start pieces off or finish for them so they didn't know how, 
which was the means of the teacher retaining learners because they were 
dependent on him/her!)

Jane Partridge

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[lace] Re: [Lace] Return to class

[Jane]

Nancy, thank you so much for these tips. I'm likely to have a workshop 
in the next couple of months and have been wondering how to handle it.


I agree with ventilation, also as much spacing between students as possible.

I think trying to sterilise bobbins a non-starter. Not only because of 
the risk to the bobbins, but maybe marking the thread or pillow.
I thought of using hand sanitiser after touching any pillow (both 
teacher and student). But I wonder if it maybe better for the teacher to 
use close fitting disposable gloves. Would it be okay to go from pillow 
to pillow with these? (I'm wondering out loud).


Adele, I must say I'm pleased to hear that transmission from surfaces 
might be less than thought. I've not heard that anywhere else.


I think 'track and trace' is important, ie, having students let you know 
if they fall sick and being able to pass on the info to the others of 
the class.


Thank you, Rosemary, for raising the question. Will be interested to 
read any further comments.


Best wishes,
Jane
In the New Forest where the weather has gone from scorching to drizzling

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[lace] Re Jerri Aimes... contact

[Brian Lemin]

I think this is the way i get a message to Jerri.


I would like to email her re "glass Lace bobbins" and another topic also.


brid...@bigpond.com


Thanks

--
Brian
Cooranbong. Australia

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Re: [lace] Re Lace identification

[sue]

Incredible, thank you Jane.
Sue Turnbull


I agree with needlerun, but also the thought that went through my mind was 
Limerick?, though I'm wondering about Nottingham (Leavers) as some of the 
net sides have been stitched into (splitting the twists) rather than the 
careful darning which would be done by hand. At that point, my 
Nottingham-born husband walked in, took one look and flippantly said, "that 
looks Irish to me"! His knowledge of lace goes as far as being the grandson 
of a lace runner (mending the nets and darning ends in as they came off the 
machine is what I was told that meant; Phil's maternal grandmother was a 
lovely lady who died in 1982, the year after we got married) and, as a 
descendant of Bedfordshire lacemakers on his father's side , being able to 
do cloth stitch, so take that remark as lightly as it was made!


Jane Partridge

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[lace] Re Lace identification

[Jane Partridge]

I agree with needlerun, but also the thought that went through my mind was 
Limerick?, though I'm wondering about Nottingham (Leavers) as some of the net 
sides have been stitched into (splitting the twists) rather than the careful 
darning which would be done by hand. At that point, my Nottingham-born husband 
walked in, took one look and flippantly said, "that looks Irish to me"! His 
knowledge of lace goes as far as being the grandson of a lace runner (mending 
the nets and darning ends in as they came off the machine is what I was told 
that meant; Phil's maternal grandmother was a lovely lady who died in 1982, the 
year after we got married) and, as a descendant of Bedfordshire lacemakers on 
his father's side , being able to do cloth stitch, so take that remark as 
lightly as it was made!

Jane Partridge

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[lace] RE: Brides Tortillee

[Laurie Waters]

Collectors, for what their opinion is worth, tend to assign the name Argentan
to laces with brides bouclée and also with a very solid clothwork, like this
recently sold piece on Ebay (see attached). Here, the hexagonal base is
completely covered with buttonhole stitches. But the technique was done in
both Argentan and Alencon, and it’s really impossible to tell the
difference.



I’m sure you remember that I taught you how to do brides tortillée and
Brides bouclée in the 2012 class.  Loretta certainly remembers, since she was
also in the class and wrote an article on it in the IOLI bulletin when she was
the needlelace editor.  Brigitte Delesques-Depalle also describes this in her
book.



Both brides tortillée and bouclée, the base is exactly the same, consisting
of 3 layers. First you lay down a diamond shaped grid. Second layer, gather
the apexes of the diamonds so that the diamonds turn into hexagons.  Third, go
over the hexagonal base with either buttonholes or overcasting, or some
combination of both.  I’ve kept track of exactly how this was done virtually
every piece I’ve ever come across for years. It’s a continuum –
sometimes  you only twist around the base, sometimes you include one
buttonhole on one side of the mesh. Sometimes more.  Sometimes you buttonhole
everything.  It varies with pattern design, with the time period, and with
manufacturer. I’m planning a detailed article for IOLI on this in the future
(after I explain EXACTLY how to do the Burano square mesh, which is going to
take two articles).



Not exactly sure what Levey means by ‘twisted buttonhole stitches’. But
I’ve seen this type of ground (twisted, buttonholed, something inbetween) in
pieces as early as the 2nd quarter of the 18th c. It first appears in very
small spaces, but the technique is exactly the same as in the later ‘Herren
Alençon’ where the lace is largely round with a narrow border and several
rows of esprits above. Designed to be ruffled around a gentleman’s cravate
or cuffs.

Laurie



From: Devon Thein 
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 2:36 PM
To: lacelijst - ; Carolyn Wetzel ;
Laurie Waters 
Subject: Brides Tortillee



Would one consider a piece of French needle lace with a Brides tortillee mesh
to be Alencon or Argentan? Also, I don't really understand how it was made.
With Alencon, you do needle lace stitches across a row, then you whip back.
But in the case of the Brides tortillee all the sides are whipped. Is there an
easy and logical way to do this? It is supposed to be a time saver.



Also, Levey says, p. 54, "The mesh of twisted buttonhole stitches worked
across laid threads, which is now associated with Alencon seems not to have
been adopted widely until about 1750, when patterns again decreased in size
and when crisper, heavier lace returned to favor." How would one recognize if
the mesh were made this way?



Devon

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[lace] RE: lace-digest V2020 #24

[Elizabeth Ligeti]

Your posts are Never boring, Brian. You have a wealth of knowledge and you
share it so generously.
These historical areas of Lacemaking will be lost forever, if someone, like
you, does not mark it down for the rest of us to read.
Very many Thanks for sharing these titbits of history with us.
The Historical side of the Industry of Lacemaking is fascinating, and there is
always something we have not heard of before, that crops up.

Stay safe, in this crazy time. Lets hope it all ends soon, and we can all get
back “to normal” (whatever that was/is!!!)

Regards from Liz. L.

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[lace] Re: Copenhagen holes LONG!!

[Devon Thein]

Thank you so much for this information, Bobbi. I have ordered the book from
Holly.
I received the first version of the letter just fine on gmail, as well as
the second. However, I did notice that my own posting which I posted from
the gmail site (the only way that works for me) was received on my aol
address as only part of the first line. This seems to represent a new level
of dysfunction, since previously I could not post on aol, but now I can't
receive on it either. Maybe there is some new wrinkle in internet security
that has been introduced.
Devon



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[lace] Re: Copenhagen holes LONG!!

[Bobbi Donnelly]

Good morning all. I feel the need to jump in now and hope to help.
The Copenhagen hole that Devon is speaking about is a technique only
(as far as I know?) used in Tønder lace. It is worked on a diamond shaped
pricking and is worked from the top down one side and then down the second
side. I have seen holes worked in half stitch (CT), honeycomb stitch (CTT),
and
linen or cloth stitch (CTC). Each give a totally different effect. My personal
preference is the honeycomb stitch (CTT). I think that the webbing is more
attractive in CTT.
They can be pinned with the webbing from the CTT or which ever you choose
on the inside (most often) or the webbing on the outside (not so much).
There are samples of this last one in my latest book. (Tallies and Pin
Chains)
For those of you with a copy of the book, on page 76 the holes are worked in
Linen
or cloth stitch (CTC) and pinned on the inside of the hole.
In class we use the honeycomb stitch and pin on the outside. (other than this
piece!)
The process of doing the hole is the same regardless of how many pins are
on each quarter of the hole. I have seen Copenhagen holes with 4 pins on each
quarter from top pin to widest point pin up to 7 pins in the same area. The
process
is the same. The write up in the last book (mentioned above) I think is
logical.
Other differences between Bucks Point and Tønder are the way the gimp is
moved
in the piece and the way the valleys are worked. Having said that, I also
think
that we want to have ‘rules’ for all laces. ‘This is always worked this
way and that is
always worked that way.’ I have found through years of working with Tønder
lace
that this is not the case. Sadly, because we are only dealing with samples or
bits
of the laces we have no way of knowing _for sure_ one way or the other what
the
thoughts of the designer or the lace maker were. These two people were not
normally
the same person. So when I do reconstructions, IF I have a sample with more
than
one repeat of the lace the chances are good that all of the repeats are
different.
Some times drastically, some times very subtlety. But the question is always:
What is the inspiration of the designer? Or is it the lacemaker that chooses
the
‘right’ pattern? Is the lacemaker given the pricking and then told to
‘make it’
and she/he gets to choose if that section of diamond shaped hole is a spider,
a diamond, in half stitch or whole? a Copenhagen hole? So many choices
And who are we to say that a diamond shape with 5 holes from top pin to widest
point pin is always a spider? Or a half stitch diamond? or a linen/cloth
stitch diamond?
Or for that matter a Copenhagen hole?
On the design end... once you do a sample of a piece, even torchon lace, if
you look at the
finished piece some times you will choose to make something different in an
area because
to your eye it will look better.
My personal opinion of the piece that Devon posted the other day is that
although the
head side motif is traditional Tønder that the piece on a whole is a mix of
different laces.
That or it is just very disjointed as a design. We have confirmed that the
head side is in fact
a traditional Tønder design. Pre 1900.
Ok I’ve blithered on for long enough. Hope this was helpful.
bobbi

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RE: [lace] Re: Why is Burano mesh very rectangular looking?

[Lorelei Halley]

Laurie
That is a very interesting account. I would never have thought that the
manner of holding thread and the use of a pillow could make so much
difference. A valuable point of view.

Also, regarding "Old Flanders". I think that is a term concocted by lace
dealers and those trying to promote lace making circa 1900. They tried to
give a name to a kind of lace to make it sound a lot better than it was.
There is no way anyone with lots of study behind them would confuse these
pieces with laces from around 1700. The style is vastly different.
Collectors tend to value really old stuff rather than new stuff. So the name
of the style was invented to give it a suggestion of age.
Lorelei

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Subject: [lace] Re: Why is Burano mesh very rectangular looking?

The reason the Burano mesh is square looking has to do with the way it is
made. This is a pillow-made needlelace, rather than the handheld laces of
Alencon and Belgium

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Re: [lace] Re: Why is Burano mesh very rectangular looking?

[Devon Thein]

Thank you Laurie. I have seen people in Burano making needle lace and I
think it is as you describe. At the time I thought it was odd, but I wasn't
really processing what I was seeing.
I guess I have done my part to expand the confusion by translating Vieux
Flandre to Old Flanders. Yes, it is a catch all term as you say, referring
to early Flemish laces before they diverged into distinctly different
kinds.
In her book, Guide to Lace and Linens, Kurella calls the lace, the one with
Rosaline type flowers, but a needle mesh, Vieux Flandre.
She says: The translation of Vieux Flandre is "Old Flanders". The name
appears in Belgian lace shop books but rarely in textbooks. The most likely
explanation for the name is that by the nineteenth century, techniques and
names had been recycled so many times that merchants were running out of
unique names for these combinations. The lace is a unique combination of
bobbin and needle lace, and deserves a label. "Belgian Stew" is
descriptive, but not glamorous enough.
Then I saw in my book on Liederkerke that they were calling this
Oud-Vlaamse, which would be Flemish for Vieux Flandre. I am going to post
two pages from Ghislaine Eemans-Moors book where she describes the Vieux
Flandre that was made near Aalst and Liederkerke. These are near Zele which
is famous for needle lace.
I am intrigued by Punto Milano. I haven't found it in the first three books
I have looked at. Do you have a source that you know of? Also, why do you
think the ffloral terminations look Italian, like Cantu?
Devon

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[lace] Re: Why is Burano mesh very rectangular looking?

[Laurie Waters]

The reason the Burano mesh is square looking has to do with the way it is
made. This is a pillow-made needlelace, rather than the handheld laces of
Alencon and Belgium. In Burano a thread is passed across the pattern and
pulled tight. The twisted stitches are made into the row below with the tip
of the needle inserted under the straight thread before twisting the thread
pulling through. You can then do one or two overcast stitches on this
straight base.  It's exactly the opposite of Alencon where you make the
twisted stitch first, then do the overcasting into the top of that row on
the return which produces a more hexagonal mesh.  I'll do an IOLI article on
this in the near future, for the moment I'm concentrating the hand-held
needlelaces.

I think your 'rosaline' piece might actually be Italian, it goes under the
name of 'Punto di Milano'. Quality varies a lot, but you can usually tell
examples because the motifs are made first, then put on a pillow and the
'Burano' mesh filling in the empty spaces.  Old Flanders is a possibility
especially given the shape of the mesh, but I think the floral terminations
of a lot of the flowers look more Italian, a little on the Cantu model.  I
have a photo of a lacemaker working on 'Punto di Milano' with a caption
saying it wasn't  considered a very serious lace. Coarse examples were often
made for table and bed linens.

'Old Flanders' is sort of a catch-all name for things that aren't quite
Bruges, and aren't quite 18th c Flemish pieced laces.  It is worth a study,
but in my experience Old Flanders didn't do much with needle-made meshes.
That was left up to the Italians, and there is some evidence that motifs
could be made in Belgium and grounded in Italy.

Laurie

 


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[lace] Re: Czech lace tablecloth

[Elena Kanagy-Loux]

Hello everyone,

Thank you for all of the encouraging replies so far!
Devon pointed out to me that there is some more information about this
piece in the Met's internal database, so I looked it up and found this:

"Linen, purchased in Secretariat of Schools, Prague, 1938; made in one of
special craft schools under auspices of state; probably a teacher's
demonstration piece."

Interesting! Are there lists of lace schools and teachers in Prague
anywhere? There must be, but my books are out of reach at the moment so I'd
appreciate any help.

Best Wishes,
Elena

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[lace] Re: Czech lace tablecloth

[Elena Kanagy-Loux]

By the way, I have some better detail photos than the ones on the website
that I'm happy to share privately if you're interested! Just let me know.
Best,
Elena

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[lace] Re: Looking for a source of netting for embroidery

[Penelope Piip]

Hi everyone,

Thanks for all the suggestions. Due to a time factor (and the current 
pandemic) I don't think it's worth buying online.


Thank you again,

Penelope




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[lace] Re: Question

[Maria Greil]

Many thank to the 3 persons that helped me in finding out bout the Urling's
lace.
Now I am a lot wiser !!!

Maria
a German living in Spain

El vie., 13 mar. 2020 a las 22:42, Maria Greil ()
escribió:

> Can anybody help me ?
> I just read an article in an old magazine (The Ladies' Monthly Museum,
> August 1822, pg. 109 - The Mirror of Fashion) and a kind of lace is
> mentioned several times I do not know: *Urling's lace*.
> Since the publication is English and there are a lot of arachne-members
> from the UK, would it be possible that someone from there could tell me?
> Lots of thanks in advance for your kind support.
>
> Maria Greil
> a German living in Spain
> (where we struggle now with the virus)
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RE: [lace] RE: Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[jo]

I see, doe this work better?
https://nl.pinterest.com/pin/56576539054505458/

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[lace] RE: Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[jo]

A photograph https://nl.pinterest.com/pin/540713499014735288/

Matching the discussion
https://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/msg54081.html 

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[lace] RE: Atelier Kant-e-Lier

[jo]

There are at least two other groups with the same name. My blog is more than
nine years old and I posted at least half a dozen times about it on this
group. 

I added a disambiguation note on the contact page. Wordpress does not have a
method to add the note more prominently.

... but I would like to ask you to find another name for your group ... 

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[lace] re: Postcard of a Lace Maker's Cottage at Palgrave, Norfolk

[Nicky Hoewener-Townsend]

A good few years ago I communicated with Diana Smith about a postcard of a
lace maker’s cottage in Palgrave, Norfolk. Diana if you read this please
would you contact me direct.

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[lace] re: bobbins

[Irene & Steve Whitham]

Brian, did you get the email with the photos of the bobbins I sent?

 

Irene Whitham

ir_st_w...@shaw.ca

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[lace] Re: Arizona free library - Coggeshall book

[Jane Partridge]

Alex have you first checked for copyright clearance on this? I seem to remember 
that a number of the books were given (or possibly sold) to The Lace Guild 
after Jean  Dudding died. They will still be in copyright as it isn't yet 70 
years since her death.

Jane Partridge


 Original message 
Alex said :

Jean Duddings booklets on Coggeshall lace are no longer in print and they are
the only accounts of the history and making of the lace and when I suggested
they were offered to the Arizona free library there was a good response.


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[lace] Re: Flickr Pro subscriptions met

[suebabbs385]

Sorry there was a typo in this.  We are now paid up for the period
through 15 April 2022

Sue

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Re: [lace] Re: Pewter in bobbins

[suebabbs385]

I find my bone bobbins are heavier than the wooden ones, so don't mix 
the two in projects


Sue

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Sent: 1/5/2020 8:28:33 AM
Subject: [lace] Re: Pewter in bobbins


So sorry. Auto correct changed my subject from “pewter in” to “pestering”. I’ve 
corrected it here so it will index properly.

Brian has kindly replied that there’s not much difference in weight with pewter 
added.

Jean Reardon, western Pennsylvania


 On Jan 4, 2020, at 10:41 PM, J Reardon  wrote:

 Thank you, Brian, for making your bobbin photos and comments available to us. 
I used the link and the first examples I saw were pewter enhanced. There’s been 
a question rumbling in my mind for a while about the pewter. Does it add 
noticeably to the weight of the bobbin? I see they are also spangled, which 
adds weight, so I’m guessing the answer is no.

 I’ve been frustrated with the large area taken up by bobbins and would love to 
find something the size of a honiton bobbin but much heavier for use with 
threads like Oliver Twist, Finca 12, etc. Might that be why the pewter was 
added?

 Jean Reardon, in dreary western Pennsylvania. I wish I could send our never 
ending rain your way.


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[lace] Re: Pewter in bobbins

[J Reardon]

So sorry. Auto correct changed my subject from “pewter in” to “pestering”. I’ve 
corrected it here so it will index properly. 

Brian has kindly replied that there’s not much difference in weight with pewter 
added.

Jean Reardon, western Pennsylvania 

> On Jan 4, 2020, at 10:41 PM, J Reardon  wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Brian, for making your bobbin photos and comments available to 
> us. I used the link and the first examples I saw were pewter enhanced. 
> There’s been a question rumbling in my mind for a while about the pewter. 
> Does it add noticeably to the weight of the bobbin? I see they are also 
> spangled, which adds weight, so I’m guessing the answer is no.
> 
> I’ve been frustrated with the large area taken up by bobbins and would love 
> to find something the size of a honiton bobbin but much heavier for use with 
> threads like Oliver Twist, Finca 12, etc. Might that be why the pewter was 
> added?
> 
> Jean Reardon, in dreary western Pennsylvania. I wish I could send our never 
> ending rain your way. 
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 10:20 PM, brid...@bigpond.com wrote:
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[lace] Re "Alex" and modern Honiton ship bobbin reproduction you sent me.

[brido11]

Somehow I have lost you.  I think I have some information about it for you.
Not much but interesting.

 

Can you drop me a note please?

 

Sorry. I am a hopeless administrator!!

 

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[lace] Re: Arizona archives

[J Reardon]

Sorry for the bother. I found a more recent message in the Arachne archives
with a link that does work.

Jean

> On Oct 15, 2019, at 11:19 PM, J Reardon  wrote:
>
> The 
> Jean Reardon, western Pennsylvania

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[lace] re: Buckinghamshire Lace industry

[Louise Bailey]

Liz and all

Maids Moreton is Just  North of Buckingham, so right in the heart of the
county's lace tradition.  On the village website
https://www.maids-moreton.co.uk/heritagewalk/  it says

Maids Moreton became the centre of the Bucks Lace industry during the late
19th century under the direction of Miss Margaret E. Burrowes, the daughter of
Arnold Burrowes who built Maids Moreton Hall in 1883. The work undertaken by
Miss Burrowes heralded an important revival in bobbin lace which received
royal patronage.
I'm sure I've seen something else with a mention of this lady (Channer's
book?), and possibly a pricking or two  but my books are at home. Perhaps this
will jog someone's memory

Louise,

In Cambridge where the students are back  and the rain is just approaching.

>>>

Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 11:38:04 +0100 (BST)

From: Elizabeth Pass
mailto:elizabeth.pa...@talktalk.net>>

Subject: [lace] Bukingham Lace Industry



Hello Arachnes,



I've been given a pricking of  a very large, two piece, Bucks collar, each
piece maximum 7inches by 18 inches.   The pricking has been rubber stamped as
follows - Buckingham lace Industry, Moreton Manor House, Buckingham.  Does
anyone have any information about this?



Liz Pass



In Poole, Dorset where we have full sun  and blue sky.  What happened?
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Re: [lace] re the Marian Powys essay. Not so good!

[Adele Shaak]

I'll read your Marian Powys essay no matter where it is published or how many 
footnotes it may contain (I prefer zero, but that’s just me).

About a decade ago I discovered a very interesting factoid about the famous 
first line of Jane Austen’s “Pride & Prejudice” (“It is a truth universally 
acknowledged …)
My factoid suggested that it was a satirical re-working of a line from somebody 
else’s very famous book. I thought this added a dimension to the sentence that 
had not been there before, and wrote a letter to the editor of the Austen 
Society newsletter to tell the story. I received a late night phone call from 
the editor, sputtering in indignation, who accused me of accusing the great 
Jane of plagiarism. She was furious, and I pointed out that all I had done was 
notice something, I wasn’t accusing anybody of anything, and that it was OK 
with me if we just dropped the whole thing. The more friendly ladies at the 
local Austen Society suggested I send it to a British publisher of this type of 
information (“Notes and News”?), and from them I received a multi-page document 
requesting my academic qualifications and a full listing of my previous 
academic publications, without which I would not be considered for publication 
in their newsletter. 

So, fine. The world doesn’t get to know. It is enough that I know ;-)

But Mother Julian was right. All will be well.

Adele

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[lace] re the Marian Powys essay. Not so good!

[brido11]

Dear All,

 

Oh dear Here I come confessing to all my inadequacies.  Never mind, this is
straight from me. It is not fake news!

 

All this started with my search for some really unique bobbins that at one
time were in Marians possession and illustrated in her book Lace and Lace
Making. 

The editor of the Powys Society journal heard of my enquiries and asked me
if I would write an essay on Marian as the Society felt that she had been
somewhat neglected in their various studies. Basically I agreed and got
cracking.

 

I did a 3000 word essay and had some worthwhile criticism from the editor,
which I was very ready to incorporate, then he told me he wanted 6,000 words
plus well annotated illustrations.  Also he wanted my "essay" to be written
in an academic mode with references and end notes etc.

 

When I started I had thought that he had just wanted a story that
demonstrated Marians prowess and ability along with some family history to
place her in context of her time and inform newer lace makers of someone
whom they may not know about.  I just chatted on as is usual for me.

 

Many of you will remember that I often refer to my dislike of academic
writing.  Not that I cant do it as in my professional life I have written a
book, a chapter in a book, some 40 plus professional articles, possibly 6
conference papers and my Master in Ethics was done via research and thesis.

 

(I hate telling you all, this I just want to remain a person interested in
bobbins!) 

 

The point I want to make is that I can write academically.  Frankly I do not
need another academic article on my CV,,, the angels will not be impressed!
Smile.  I try and write to tell a story.

 

I will rewrite my article in a style I am more comfortable with and submit
it appropriately  for lace makers to be able to read about a wonderful
woman.  If they turn me down then I will park it on Arizona Web Docs where I
put all my other articles that are not journal published. (Probably that is
because I do not submit them. ) lace is what you guys love and bobbins are
an adjunct. I get it and am very comfortable with that.

 

I accept that I  must appear a cantankerous old man, but it is my retirement
to enjoy, not to take on tasks that might stress me out.

 

I have offered  some 4  names to the Society as alternatives to myself and
also have learned that a Harvard person is studying her.  If the Harvard
person is doing theses on Marian that will be very useful and enlightening.

 

I hope to use the contributions that some of you have sent me for the
revised Marian essay.  Thank you for those contributions.

 

OK. Confession over

 

Sorry about that and special thanks to you all for supporting me in my lace
ignorance and special help from time to time.

 

Regards

 

Brian

"Lace Bobbin Historian" [ tries hard not to bore you all]

"Essayist.."  [failed!!!"]

Don't worry  "All will be well"... smile

 

End Note(!)  "All will be well" is a Powysian thing that I have just
learned.  I like it.

 

 

 

 


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RE: [lace] RE: East Midlands lace villages

[Louise Bailey]

Brian,

I took me a while to dig out the article as it was written by Scilla Stephenson 
not Pat Brunsden, my mistake as Pat is looking into the poor house records. It 
is in lace 117, p15,  and is in response to an article in Lace 114 p12 which 
had a more general analysis of occupations  in the 1841 census.

Scilla looked at the 1851 census, recording villages to the South and West of 
St Neots - which is on Bedfordshire - Hunts border, and to the North and East 
towards Huntingdon and the border with Cambridgeshire, on the East side of the 
river Great Ouse.  As I said, she covers Toseland and Graveley parish (22 
lacemakers) but misses Yelling. Yelling was a village of 386 persons in 1851, 
and had 4 lacemakers recorded all between the ages of 11 and 19. No occupations 
were recorded for their mothers so it is possible they also made lace. In 
Toseland the wife is often down a lacemaker as well as the daughters.   In 1861 
most of them are still there but the enumerator has chosen not to record any 
female occupations.  No straw plaiters either.

A quick scan for villages just to the South and East of Yelling & Toseland, 
reveals a scattering of lacemakers in Eltisley, but none in Croxton, Caxton, or 
Papworth St Agnes, so this really is the fringe.

Louise 

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[lace] RE: East Midlands lace villages & tokens

[Louise Bailey]

Brian asks

Does anyone collect "Lace Tokens?" Real or virtual.

They certainly do. And not just lacemakers. I have a friend who is a serious 
Numismaticist, and  collects lots of trade tokens. They also write about them 
in journals and books. 

https://www.britnumsoc.org/publications/Digital%20BNJ/pdfs/1985_BNJ_55_11.pdf

I believe an example of the St Neots one is in the St Neots museum.

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RE: [lace] RE: East Midlands lace villages

[brido11]

That was interesting Louise,

One of the things I do is keep an eye out for "England's Oldest Bobbin".  
Currently it is a Honiton Trolley dated 1662.  We stand a chance with Honiton 
bobbins to reasonably date the bobbins because many have a date on them.  What 
I took from your email, was that for East Midland bobbins, though we will not 
get a date for a bobbin but a token for an area would be interesting a possibly 
useful.

I will have to think about it.  It would not be an Oldest bobbin, but it would 
be a "something"!!  (Forgive the lack of academic vigour!!)

Does anyone collect "Lace Tokens?" Real or virtual.

Brian

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Subject: [lace] RE: East Midlands lace villages

Brian,

Pat Brunsden wrote an article for Lace - the Lace Guild magazine -  a few years 
ago detailing a survey of census data for the lace villages of Cambridgeshire 
/Huntingdonshire. I can dig it out for you over the weekend if no one else has 
done so.  Nicky Howener-Townsend has done something similar for the Lacemakers 
of Suffolk around the town of Eye, but that is strictly not  East Midlands I 
suppose.

I live right on the edge of the Huntingdonshire lace district, close to St 
Neots, which issued a lace token in 1664, and has poor house records on 
lacemaking  dating back to 1594. If I remember rightly there were two 
lacemakers  recorded on one of the census returns in the next village, 
Toseland,  (a tiny hamlet really), but not in mine, Yelling, 3 miles further 
east. Both were classic small agricultural villages.  I shall see if I can find 
the records again.

Louise

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From: 
Subject: [lace] List of lace making towns/villages in East Midlands???

I thought it would be easy to get a list of the above places where lace makers 
were active, say in 1850? (+ or -) But so far I have failed.
I can get a couple of lists dated 1700 but that is too early for my purposes.
I want to create a map (I learned how this afternoon!!) of these places as I am 
a visual person.
Does anyone have a list they would care to share with me (and eventually all of 
you!) Fingers crossed and much advanced thanks Sorry I keep asking for help!!
Brian


  


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[lace] RE: East Midlands lace villages

[Louise Bailey]

Brian,

Pat Brunsden wrote an article for Lace - the Lace Guild magazine -  a few years 
ago detailing a survey of census data for the lace villages of Cambridgeshire 
/Huntingdonshire. I can dig it out for you over the weekend if no one else has 
done so.  Nicky Howener-Townsend has done something similar for the Lacemakers 
of Suffolk around the town of Eye, but that is strictly not  East Midlands I 
suppose.

I live right on the edge of the Huntingdonshire lace district, close to St 
Neots, which issued a lace token in 1664, and has poor house records on 
lacemaking  dating back to 1594. If I remember rightly there were two 
lacemakers  recorded on one of the census returns in the next village, 
Toseland,  (a tiny hamlet really), but not in mine, Yelling, 3 miles further 
east. Both were classic small agricultural villages.  I shall see if I can find 
the records again.

Louise

Battening down the hatches in preparation for the high winds today/tomorrow!

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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 23:40:52 +1000
From: 
Subject: [lace] List of lace making towns/villages in East Midlands???

I thought it would be easy to get a list of the above places where lace makers 
were active, say in 1850? (+ or -) But so far I have failed.
I can get a couple of lists dated 1700 but that is too early for my purposes.
I want to create a map (I learned how this afternoon!!) of these places as I am 
a visual person.
Does anyone have a list they would care to share with me (and eventually all of 
you!)
Fingers crossed and much advanced thanks
Sorry I keep asking for help!!
Brian


  


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[lace] Re Marian Powys (Grey)

[brido11]

I have been asked to write an essay about this wonderful lace lady and lace
designer!! (UK and USA)

 

You will have to be monstrously "old" to have known her/ met her, but if you
have done any of these things can you drop me a note please.  I have very
little , "lace/ and Marian as a person", to go on so I am collecting what I
can get.

 

I promise I will not tell anyone that you knew her Smile.

 

I am old enough to have met her but I never did!

 

Brian

PS Perhaps you know someone who has met her?  Would you dob them in to me?
Please.


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Re: [lace] Re: [lace] Lady Carnarvon’s coronation gown

[elizabeth.pa...@talktalk.net]

Highclere Castle, home of the Caernarvon family, is the setting for Downton 
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[lace] Re: [lace] Lady Carnarvon’s coronation gown

[suebabbs385]

Thanks for alerting us to that Susan.  The video is on YouTube at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybMoUBRjHpc
The outfit was worn by the Countess of Carnavon at the Coronation of
George V in 1911

More can be read at
https://royal-needlework.org.uk/lady-carnarvons-coronation-robe/  and
https://www.ladycarnarvon.com/the-coronation-robes/
Sue

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Subject: [lace] Lady Carnarvon’s coronation gown

>Hello All! I’ve just received the latest newsletter from RSN & they are
conserving this 1911 gown. There is a short video & some photos showing the
ivory lace, jeweled lace & white fur trimmed claret velvet garment. I’m not
sure about the lace so perhaps an expert will comment?? In the meantime, I
will try to post photos to Flickr. Sincerely, Susan Hottle FLA USA
>
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Re: [lace] re Find my past "free" ancestry site = correction

[Malvary Cole]

Correction to my previous message - I was hurrying and didn't proof read 
properly


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Subject: Re: [lace] re Find my past "free" ancestry site

I double checked part of the 1871 census for Honiton, Devon and there are
several ladies described as Lace Makers or Lace Manufacturers, and it shows
where they were born.  There are many more ladies with no occupation shown
and many of them may well have been lace makers, but it wasn't considered
to be an occupation as such - women did NOT have occupations unless you were
perhaps the head of the household.  It would probably have been the head of
the household who filled in the census form and if he didn't consider that
his wife and/or daughters had occupations, then it didn't go on the form.

For 1841 there are no actual places of birth shown except whether they were
born in the county for which the census was being taken, i.e. if the census
was for Devon and you were born in Devon you got a Y by your name or and N
if you were born somewhere else.  The Y and N are not always easy to
distinguish because the transcriber of the forms was doing pages of these
entries and he/she is also trying to read the writing of the person who
filled in the form - not necessarily the same person.  If there was no-one
in the household who could write, then the form was completed by the
enumerator  - hence the different spelling of family names that you come
across when doing research.

Malvary in Ottawa where it is hot and muggy again today.

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Re: [lace] re Find my past "free" ancestry site

[Malvary Cole]

I double checked part of the 1871 census for Honiton, Devon and there are 
several ladies described as Lace Makers or Lace Manufacturers, and it shows 
where they were born.  There are many more ladies with no occupation shown 
and I many of them may well have been lace makers, but it wasn't considered 
to be an occupation as such - women did have occupations unless you were 
perhaps the head of the household.  It would probably have been the head of 
the household who filled in the census form and if he didn't consider that 
his wife and/or daughters had occupations, then it didn't go on the form.


For 1841 there are no actual places of birth shown except whether they were 
born in the county for which the census was being taken, i.e. if the census 
was for Devon and you were born in Devon you got a Y by your name or and N 
if you were born somewhere else.  The Y and N are not always easy to 
distinguish because the transcriber of the forms was doing pages of these 
entries and he/she is also trying to read the writing of the person who 
filled in the form - not necessarily the same person.  If there was no-one 
in the household who could write, then the form was completed by the 
enumerator  - hence the different spelling of family names that you come 
across when doing research.


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Re: [lace] re Find my past "free" ancestry site

[Brenda Paternoster]

With  Ancestry ,Find My Past, The Genealogist and any other websites with
census transcriptions you can report transcription errors (and there were
plenty of them down to poor handwriting, transcription by non-native/non-local
people and general lack of palaeography skills) but if they have chosen not to
transcribe occupation for a whole dataset they won’t add it.

Brenda

> On 18 Jul 2019, at 01:04,  
wrote:
>
>
> However I discovered that Occupation and county was not transcribed  into
> these two data bases of the census.  (1871, 1841)
>
> "IF" you have a subscription you can report this to them (see below)  I
will
> leave the matter with you to see if there is a kind soul with asubscption
> that might feel comfortable doing this.

Brenda in Allhallows
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

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[lace] re Find my past "free" ancestry site

[brido11]

I have been using the Free part of this site  [
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-united-kingdom-records ] to collect
all the names of lace makers in Devon from the censuses. The idea is that
those with sets of initials on their bobbins will be able to consult this
list and "try" and match up the names of the lace makers.  I suspect this
will be difficult and require some patience!  But I hope it will be a
resource.

 

However I discovered that Occupation and county was not transcribed  into
these two data bases of the census.  (1871, 1841)

"IF" you have a subscription you can report this to them (see below)  I will
leave the matter with you to see if there is a kind soul with asubscption
that might feel comfortable doing this.

 

I have all the names for the other censuses.

 

This is Find My pats, reply to my query.:

 

Regarding the 1871 Census & 1841 Census
During the transcription process the occupation and birth place were not
captured, it was only the following that was transcribed:-

Name
Age
Relationship to head of household
Sex
County of Birth

If you have an active subscription it is possible to report transcription
errors and add details of occupation/ County,  which anyone with a
subscription is able to do. 

 

Thank you

 

Brian





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[lace] re me and Facebook!

[brido11]

Thanks for all your help!!

 

In short this is the situation

 

Many years ago I had a Facebook page, then my email got hacked and all my
friends were asked for money to get me out of Ireland.  I blocked my account
and despite say 3 tries to get a page they have always refused.

 

After the last attempt I decided I would give up.

 

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[lace] Re: History of lassen

[N.A. Neff]

Yikes! What I have is a translation of Het Lassen -- it was in some binders
I inherited from another lacemaker!! So anyway, all that info in my email
is from Het Lassen en Aannaaien  van Kant, by Louise Allis-Viddeleer.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA


On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 18:02 N.A. Neff  wrote:

> I have come across some excerpts from a 1993 handout for the Lace Teacher
> Training Program at Kantcentrum, on joining and attaching lace...
>
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Re: [lace] Re Honiton? Beds?

[Devon Thein]

http://laceioli.ning.com/groups/group/show?groupUrl=identification-history&xg_source=activity&id=6475898%3AGroup%3A208&page=1#comments


You will have to scroll through two pages of comments to get to the photos.
Devon


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[lace] Re Honiton? Beds?

[Ann Humphreys]

How do I find this link please
Ann

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[lace] Re: Lassen question

[Jane]

Hi Helen,

After reading your email, I was curious enough to look on line and there 
appears to be a course at the Kantcentrum


"Lassen en innaaien van kant"

G**gle translates the course description as:

Welding and sewing in lace
We end one side. Welding and sewing is the complete finishing of a edge.
The edge must be welded and fabric sewn with a lace for a square edge 
and an incrustation for a circle.

This gives a nicely finished edge.

Welding lace?!! Maybe someone can come up with a better translation?

If you want to find out more, the course is at the end of July
https://www.kantcentrum.eu/en/summer-courses/lassen-en-innaaien-van-kant

Best wishes,
Jane Read
New Forest, UK

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RE: [lace] Re: Sad news - Jacqui Southworth

[David C Collyer]

Dear Friends
I too am sad to hear of Jacqui's death. I never did get to meet her but she 
taught me a lot over the last 20 or so years. I still have some of that very 
fine silk she sent me.
David Downunder in Ballarat, AUS

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Re: [lace] Re: Sad news - Jacqui Southworth

[Angel]

I join you in being very very sorry that Jacqui has passed. Cancer is never 
easy to deal with (it took my mother from me) I didn’t know her personally but 
have been avidly reading and sometimes answering her posts since Arachne was 
new! We will all miss her terribly! Please pass on to her family the 
condolences of all the lacemakers on the list who appreciated her expertise.

Very sad
Cearbhael 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2019, at 11:46 PM, Jane Partridge  wrote:
> 
>  I knew Jacqui personally, and when I last saw her, at our Lace on the Train 
> event at the Railway last August, she was about to undergo another course of 
> chemotherapy but expected to be well enough to join us again for the 
> lacemaking weekend in April.  Sadly it didn't turn out that way. 
> 
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[lace] re: sad news, Jacqui Southworth

[Susan]

I want to add my condolences among the growing list of sad Arachneans today. 
It’s hard to lose yet another generous & gifted member of our “Arachne team”. 
As Lin suggested, it would be lovely for each of us to find a way to honor her. 
So—in her memory, I will make (attempt to make?) Jacqui’s Holly pattern that 
appeared in Lace #132 October 2008. It’s been well above my pay grade, yet has 
remained on my to-do list all these years. 2019 is it! Better 11 years late 
than never. Sincerely, Susan Hottle FL USA

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[lace] Re: Sad news - Jacqui Southworth

[Jane Partridge]

Some subject lines are sensitive, others perhaps a little harsh. I knew Jacqui 
personally, and when I last saw her, at our Lace on the Train event at the 
Railway last August, she was about to undergo another course of chemotherapy 
but expected to be well enough to join us again for the lacemaking weekend in 
April.  Sadly it didn't turn out that way. 

I think, personally, that although Jeri's preferred subject line gets the 
message across for indexing purposes, it would come as a stark shock to those 
who hadn't previously heard the news, whereas addressing the matter in the body 
text breaks the news gently. In the past we have always used "Sad News" as the 
subject for when someone dies, whether it has been to announce the death of a 
family member or an Arachne. 

I also don't really think that a time like this, when many of us are still, 
perhaps, reeling from the news, is the time to chide list members over choice 
of subject line. 

Jane Partridge


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Subject: [lace] Jacqui Southworth's Death on May 15, 2019

At Jeri's request, I am forwarding this posting. Please address any
personal responses to her. Her address is above as a cc.

Devon

Dear Arachne members,

Notice of this great loss to our lace community appeared in my inboxes (AOL
and Gmail) this morning under the heading "So sorry".

I searched Arachne archives for "Jacqui Southworth's death", and did not
find it - because her name was not in the Subject line.

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Re: [lace] Re Devon Thein

[Bev Walker]

Hello Ann and everyone

A name happens to be in your e-mail address. The phishing-software doesn't
know 'you' but has detected a person's name.
You should have a 'report phishing' option in your message window, through
which your server, talktalk-dot-net (yes?) is alerted.

Hope this helps in some way.
Bev

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 3:11 PM Ann Humphreys 
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> I wonder why it’s only me getting these emails. I am addressed as Dear
Ann
> which sounds personal.
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[lace] Re Devon Thein

[Ann Humphreys]

Devon wrote

I always try to put something personally identifying in emails, especially if 
they are directed toward people that I don't communicate with on a daily basis. 
Devon

I wonder why it’s only me getting these emails. I am addressed as Dear Ann 
which sounds personal. 
Ann

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[lace] Re: Love your bauble!

[Sue]

Well we all now know that once these images are out on the internet we cant
retrieve them but I am so pleased that it also inspired you as her work and
help inspired me.   Normally my brain and my life and lace is worked
symmetrical but this is almost the only time it saw this different angle, so I
am pleased with it and I might just bring the pattern out again and make it up
for my two very special sisters, so this piece keeps giving and giving.   I
must choose a different colour and make a small change I think.
To be honest I have struggled around Christmas for the last three years for
various reasons so haven’t taken part in the exchanges and dont actually
remember if I saw this before or not.  Grief and age taking their toll a
little so I am pleased I have now looked and been reinspired, but I hope that
if you use this again you will give me credit for the original design.
Sue T
Dorset UK

Dear Sue,
I do hope that you claimed credit when you saw it back in 2017 the first time,
because I definitely believe in giving credit where credit is due. I am pretty
sure, in fact, that I did learn it was your design and that I wrote to you
then. In any event, I love the design and have made some other variations on
it since. At my library we have a photocopier that allows us not only to
enlarge or shrink, but even to manipulate the x-axis and the y-axis
separately, so I have made a few of the same in "long and skinny" (110% taller
than original but only 90% wide) and am planning on making some short and
stout (110% wider than original and 90% of original height)!
One of the biggest drawbacks of Pinterest is that you usually can never find
the source :-(


Happy lacing,
Sally Jenkins


Arachne 2017 Christmas Card
exchange, made by Sally Jenkins in the USA for Sue Duckles in the UK, taken
from Pinterest is a design created by me in approx 2009 when I first began
using some of the lace software.  I suppose I must be flattered that someone
liked it enough to show it on
Pinterest and again that Sally liked enough to make it for Sue.  It is
strange
how our own designs can jump off a screen when you see them.
Sue T
Dorset UK

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Re: [lace] Re: new photos

[Bev Walker]

Hello Ilske and everyone
When I saw the photos at our flickr link, here are my exact words to my
computer screen:
"This shawl is amazing!"
Beautiful work, Ilske!
Thank you and Sue for sharing.

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 12:41 AM Ilske Thomsen 
wrote:

> Hello Arachneans,
> in my album you find two  photos about my stole. Sue Babbs was so friendly
> to upload them for me.
>
>
-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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Re: [lace] Re: new photos

[catherinebar...@btinternet.com]

Oh it's beautiful Ilske!  I love it.

Catherine Barley UK

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> On 14 Apr 2019, at 08:37, Ilske Thomsen  wrote:
> 
> Hello Arachneans,
> in my album you find two  photos about my stole. Sue Babbs was so friendly to 
> upload them for me.
> 
> Ilske
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[lace] Re: new photos

[Ilske Thomsen]

Hello Arachneans,
in my album you find two  photos about my stole. Sue Babbs was so friendly to 
upload them for me.

Ilske

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[lace] Re: Bucks questions about false picots

[Susan]

Thank you for taking time to write Leonard! I printed your explanation & added
it to my file. The last few months have been an English lace odyssey for me &
I confess I was ill prepared for Bucks Point. When I started, I looked in my
Intro book by Jean Leader/Lace Guild & remembered that I had made Little Pea &
Plum Pudding some years ago so at first I concentrated on the laces that I had
never tried—Beds, Malmesbury et al. Cathy at IOLI library has done a
yeoman’s job of sending books from my reading list so I could steep myself
in history plus work a few samples before I visit UK at the end of this month.
With departure fast approaching, I had a little extra time & decided to work a
new Bucks pattern. With only working diagrams, the Intro book & Practical
Skills to guide me, it turned out to be above my pay grade. Particularly since
I included the optional picots! I see that IOLI library has the PN book so I
will borrow it when I return. Not sure why I didn’t see Alex’s books in
their catalog (??) as it’s always good to review technically perfect lace
with a fine finish! Thank you for pointing out the fluffy finishes in Anne
Buck’s book. I just finished reading it plus still need to plow thru A
Celebration of Bedfordshire—Thomas Lester & Suffolk Lace by Nicky
Howener-Townsend so I can return all books before I go. The idea of the mini
ornaments appeals to me because it will give me more opportunities to practice
starting & finishing plus they will be useful on my tree or as gifts. With
only a few loose threads at the bottom, perhaps I can darn in the ends rather
than knot off. Thanks again for your suggestions. Sincerely, Susan Hottle FL
USA

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> On Mar 31, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Leonard Bazar  wrote:
>
>
> Dear Susan
>
> Alexandra Stillwell's 'All about making Geometrical Bucks Point Lace' sets
out methods, with very clear written explanations and diagrams, on pages
114-6.
>
> I was taught a slightly different method of adding by the late great
Marjorie Carter. You hang the new pair on a pin behind the work, bring it down
between the two headside passive pairs, then work the inside pair out through
the new one, the other old one, and work the picot with it.

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Re: [lace] re: Lace Hats

[Karen ZM]

Thanks for your reply Susan. I will try to source a book.
Karen

On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 at 22:49, Susan Vossier  wrote:

> Christine Mirecki has designed lots of hats, several of which are sold
> published separately, but the ones which fitted Karen's description
> (rounded crown, wide brim) I have only seen in the first book, Sommerhute,
> which has twelve patterns in all.  She has just brought out another book of
> hats, which I haven't as yet seen (and won't buy anyway, as twelve lace
> hats would be enough for anyone!)
>
> Sue, who usually lurks in France's Rhone valley
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[lace] re: Lace Hats

[Susan Vossier]

Christine Mirecki has designed lots of hats, several of which are sold
published separately, but the ones which fitted Karen's description
(rounded crown, wide brim) I have only seen in the first book, Sommerhute,
which has twelve patterns in all.  She has just brought out another book of
hats, which I haven't as yet seen (and won't buy anyway, as twelve lace
hats would be enough for anyone!)

Sue, who usually lurks in France's Rhone valley

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[lace] Re: Russian Lace Experts Please Help Us: Kopek/Whirlpool filling stitch

[Clare Lewis]

>
> Jeri wrote:
> The one illustration shows 8 spokes reaching outward from the center.  It
> does not illustrate how spokes are anchored at the perimeter.  Then, it
> looks like a first stitch comes up in the center, goes over a spoke, then
> is taken back under that spoke and brought up and forward clock-wise to
> over the next spoke and back under, repeated for as many rounds as desired.
>

Hi Jeri, I am no expert when it comes to Russian Lace, but the fillings are
worked at the same time as the tape; for each section of filling the tape
is worked until the pin hole that is the last point of contact between the
filling and the tape. The worker and nearside passive from the tape are
then used to work the filling before returning to the start point to
continue the tape. On the larger and more complicated fillings this can
involve an amount of false plaits and there are usually plaits running
along the side of the tape.

For a Kopek/Whirlpool/etc the two pairs would work a plait of half stitches
to the centre where a pin is placed, then out to the tape edge where a
sewing is made, along the side of the tape to the next point where a leg
starts, make a sewing, back to the centre and through to the tape (make a
sewing), along the side of the tape to the next leg (make a sewing) and so
on. When the pairs are leaving the tape to make the last two legs they are
plaited to the centre and a sewing is made through the entire crossing, one
of the pairs is then twisted up to the tape (should be where they started
from) and the other pair does the weaving of the Kopek/Whirlpool thing as
far as is required. this pair is then used to make a false plait with the
twisted thread of the other pair so they both end up at the start point and
then go on to continue the tape.

Hope that makes sense, there will be a short test later ;-)

Cheers
Clare

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[lace] Re: CORRECTION: Kopek/Whirlpool filling is a Woven Spider's Web

[Clare Lewis]

I'm a bit confused by your email Jeri, are you saying that the Woven
Spider's Web is made with a needle? Kopek filling is made with a pair of
bobbins.

I don't know where the name Kopek filling comes from but I have only ever
seen the filling used in Russian Tape lace and it makes sense for the Kopek
name to have come from Russia. I have been told that Bridget Cook coined
the phrase Whirlpool filling when she wrote Russian Tape Lace but I don't
know if this is correct and if it is I don't know why she did that.

Cheers,
Clare

On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 17:46, Jeri Ames  wrote:

> Please tell us where the Kopek/Whirlpool name originated - (Author and
> Book Title, or Teacher).
>
> A sampler of my making dated 1974 contains the stitch called Woven
> Spider's Web.
>
>  This happens to be a stitch made with a threaded needle, with the eye end
> of the needle used to weave.  It can be worked in-the-air (lace) or
> anchored on a pre-existing foundation fabric (embroidery).
>
>

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[lace] Re: CORRECTION: Kopek/Whirlpool filling is a Woven Spider's Web

[Lin Hudren]

sorry, i forgot to trim.  there are two methods of creating this depending
on whether you have even numbered or odd numbered spokes.  i use this in my
Romanian Point Lace pieces where opportunity allows.

Hugs, Lin and the Mali

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[lace] Re: CORRECTION: Kopek/Whirlpool filling is a Woven Spider's Web

[Lin Hudren]

as a kid i knew this as a God's eye.

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On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 9:46 AM Jeri Ames  wrote:

> Please tell us where the Kopek/Whirlpool name originated - (Author and
> Book Title, or Teacher).
>
> A sampler of my making dated 1974 contains the stitch called Woven
> Spider's Web.  It is a much older stitch than that. Those of you who own
> Erica Wilson's 1973 big orange - Embroidery Book - will find the
> instructions on page 98.  I'm quoting a book by a graduate of the Royal
> School of Needlework in London, because the correspondence we have read -
> about Kopek/Whirlpool - seems to originate in England.
>
> Inventing new names for well-established stitches confuses people
> concerned with passing on history that is as accurate as possible.
> Inventing will probably confuse researchers of the future, and I believe
> young stitchers should learn from those of us who have wielded needles for
> decades.
>
> Would very much appreciate if others would pick up the slack and
> participate, instead of remaining silent.  Please - share if you've been
> exposed to lace and embroidery experts.  This happens to be a stitch made
> with a threaded needle, with the eye end of the needle used to weave.  It
> can be worked in-the-air (lace) or anchored on a pre-existing foundation
> fabric (embroidery).
>
> Arachne translates to spider (and the Greek Goddess of that name).  All
> reading Lace@arachne should know about woven and whipped spider's webs
> because of this ancient history connected to our name.
>
> Jeri Ames in Maine
> Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
>
> In a message dated 2/21/2019 9:31:01 AM Eastern Standard Time:
>
> Hi Fellow Arachnids, Thank you for posting the photos, Clare. I can now
> see that both Kopek (a
> small Russian coin) and whirlpool fillings are what we would call a Russian
> spider.  Joepie, in overcast but relatively warm Sussex, UK
> 
>
> From: Clare Lewis
> Sent: 20 February 2019 23:58
> To: J R
> Cc: Arachne Reply
> Subject: Re: [lace] Kopek/Whirlpool filling
>
>  I discovered that a kopek is a heck of a lot
> of different things in
> different languages when I tried to Google for an answer to my question!
>
> Anyway, thanks in no small part to a very patient Sue Babbs I have now
> uploaded three photos to the Arachne Flickr page showing the top and
> underside of a kopek filling. Clare L
>
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>

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