[lace-chat] Left/right/north/south
There was a programme on TV the other night about the effect the moon has on the earth. It had never occured to me until it was mentioned in that programme that in the southern hemisphere the sun and moon travel across the sky from right to left instead of from left to right as it does in the northern hemisphere. I'd find that very disorientating. How do people who have 'east/west' problems cope in US cities where streets have names like East 54th Street? Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Left, right, and handbags
Dear Tamara, and Lacemakers, On Monday, Nov 10, 2003, at 22:47 US/Eastern, Ruth Budge wrote, in response to Linda Walton's: trouble remembering which were the x and y axes when drawing a graph - until someone explained to me that x is a-cross. OK, I'm *still* clueless... :) A cross goes both north-south and east-west (up-down and left-right. Or vice versa; don't try to get me any more confused than I already am g). An X (which I do recognize as denoting a cross), *still* goes in *four* directions, if askew... So, how does it help for drawings, to know that a cross is also an X? I'm sorry - I should have made this more clear. It's a play on words:- although it does mean that X is cross-shaped, it also means that the x-axis goes across (that is, the y-axis goes up-and-down). Hope that helps. It's difficult for me to explain these things without waving my hands about, or drawing a picture. Yours sincerely, Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K., where we've woken up to yet another morning of Autumn fog). To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Left/right/north/south
I just replied privately to Jean saying that it is exactly this phenomena which makes it hard for my DH to navigate in Britain. I knew he complains that the sun isn't in the right place as far as he's concerned, but had forgotten exactly what the details of the displacement are! Now I know that too! (VBG) Ruth Budge --- Linda Walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Jean, and Lacemakers, There was a programme on TV the other night about the effect the moon has on the earth. It had never occured to me until it was mentioned in that programme that in the southern hemisphere the sun and moon travel across the sky from right to left instead of from left to right as it does in the northern hemisphere. I'd find that very disorientating. (snip) Jean in Poole No! No! The television people have got things confused again. I asked my husband, who instructs in astronomy and gliding in his spare time, and he sent this message:- The Sun still rises in the East and sets in the West in the Southern hemisphere, it is that it is in the North, not the South that seem to confuse people. I remember when I was with the WRC we had a young Australian guy working for us (some sort of holiday job IIRC) and he turned up hours late to a site in the Midlands. It emerged that he had got totally lost because the Sun was in the South, not the North. I've asked gliding people and they claim not to be bothered as the Sun is virtually overhead in SA and Oz, and they use GPS in any case. Think about it: the Earth goes round as a whole sphere. There would only be the effect of seeing the Sun going in opposite directions if the Earth were divided at the Equator and the Northern Hemisphere were going in the opposite direction to the Southern Hemisphere. However, if the Sun were, say, over the Equator, it would look as if it were in the North if you were below the Equator, and as if it were in the South if you were above the Equator. If you can remember the details of that television programme, I think you should send them a crisp feedback message! Best wishes, Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K., where I can't see the Sun at all due to heavy fog, which makes me feel so disinclined to start the things I ought to be doing). To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Handbags
...carrying a handbag and keeping track of it doesn't seem to be second nature to men the way it is to women :) One of my students a couple of weeks ago (I'm an IT trainer) says he carries a laptop computer case around with him, and uses it like a woman uses a handbag, to carry his stuff. Being a laptop case it looks cool enough for him to carry - but it must also be an invitation to thieves who don't know there's no laptop in it! British men don't do handbags, unless they're gay. Regards, Annette, London Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] east-west
Further to the comments on east-west dyslexia - I find that in certain places in the country I get 180 degrees disoriented. One of the worst places for me is the area where we have now moved, the Fraser Valley. Other places I can go and have no problem with east-west (and of course, north-south). I can't figure out why - any one else similarly afflicted? Any thoughts (be nice, now! grin) on why? Rose-Marie Abbotsford, BC, Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] 19th Century Button Identification
Dear Friends, the message below appeared on one of my genealogy lists tonight and I just thought that someone here might be able to help Kim. Please answer her direct on: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I work in a museum and we recently came across a button on a pair of corduroy trousers that date to the 19th century. Under the microscope we have noticed the button says: Best/Ring/Edge Ring/Edge/Best Edge/Best/Ring which ever way you chose to read it around the circle. Each word has a dot in between. Does the above mean anything to anyone? Drop me an email if you can help! Many thanks Kim in Tasmania To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: east-west
At 05:13 AM 11/11/2003 -0800, you wrote: Further to the comments on east-west dyslexia - I find that in certain places in the country I get 180 degrees disoriented. One of the worst places for me is the area where we have now moved, the Fraser Valley. Other places I can go and have no problem with east-west (and of course, north-south). I can't figure out why - any one else similarly afflicted? Any thoughts (be nice, now! grin) on why? When I first came to this town, I had a mental picture of it with the highway coming in from the east. Afterall, the town lies west of the big city and we have to drive west to get here. HOWEVER, due to the lay of the land, the highway bends and actually enters the town from the north. After 30 years of living here, I am still 90 degrees off unless I carefully picture the center of town at sunset (since I know where the sun sets here) which will determine 'west', and then figure the other directions from there. This has been so weird to me because normally I can orient myself to a town very quickly. London didn't even faze me. I guess I just have to live with it the rest of my life since I don't plan to move. G Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon - Brisk cold wind today. Clear but chilly. Oregon Country Lacemakers Arachne Secret Pal Administrator Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Direction of the sun
Linda wrote: The Sun still rises in the East and sets in the West in the Southern hemisphere, it is that it is in the North, not the South that seem to confuse people. If I stand and watch the sun in the southern sky rising in the east and setting in the west, I see it pass from my left to my right. If I have to turn round the look at it in the north I will see it passing from my right to my left even though it's still passing from east to west. Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] biscaine/ biscaino ship wreck article
i wanted to post this email i got from a very nice woman and the reply i sent who is working to find relatives of a recovered shipwrecked vessel. if you know of any one by that name please contact the lady below. thank you very much. thank you for writing. the lace chat website sometimes gets emails from people looking up ancestry, but usually from its members. i have seen a few, so i posted the website with the article. the ladies and men of the lace website are a little quick to be skeptical, so i just wanted them to know that i didn't think it was, but i was interested in seeing if anyone knew of the name. there are many members from the uk. i am sorry if you think i was trying to discredit your search because i definitly wasn't. i will post your comment on the website, and maybe that will inspire someone to jog their memory a little! thank you for the reply!! from susan tanner --- Joan Fawcett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Susan I found your message on the net about a shipwreck and Theodore Biscaino. I just wanted to assure you that it not a scamProfessor Teddy Bisgaard in Denmark is well respected in his field.s I am assisting Teddy to identify a mystery wreck in their waters of Denmark which no-one can identify. It is a ship that went down probably during WW2, but possibly WW1 (we know this because it was carrying marine artifacts). Theodore Biscaino served on the ship as his name is scratched into the window of the wreck. We have managed to identify who Theodore is.now we just have to find what happened to him. So I am just writing to reassure you that it is not a scam, best wishes Jenny Fawcett 41 Sheedys Road Killarney.Victoria Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] = from susan in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] closet weight-training lacemakers
Hi everyone and Avital who wrote: Iron-Pumping Avital, who keeps a 5 kg dumbbell on her desk at work to use while the computer's booting up and to intimidate cranky project managers and Bev cheers - no kidding! I have a 2.3 kg. set of dbells at my computer (on the floor that is, where I can pick them up - but out of the way so I don't trip on them...), at the ready for those moments where you don't want to sit there doing nothing while the computer does *something* -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins http://www.victoria.tc.ca/~wt912 To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Lace
Following the posting about LACE yesterday, I phoned the Lace Guild, as my copy had not arrived. Apparently, they have had a number of phone calls and there are still backlogs of post in that area of the West Midlands, which could be affecting delivery. Hopefully it will arrive in the next few days - they've asked that I wait a week before contacting them again. That therefore could be the reason why there have been no postings about the contents. Karen, In Coventry - who has decided that tonight she is a Honiton lace night To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Left/right/north/south
It had never occured to me until it was mentioned in that programme that in the southern hemisphere the sun and moon travel across the sky from right to left instead of from left to right as it does in the northern hemisphere. I'd find that very disorientating. REALLY?! It has never occurred to me either, and my poor befuddled brain just can't get around it. Could one of our scientific minds please break this down for me!! Clay - Original Message - From: Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:31 AM Subject: [lace-chat] Left/right/north/south There was a programme on TV the other night about the effect the moon has on the earth. It had never occured to me until it was mentioned in that programme that in the southern hemisphere the sun and moon travel across the sky from right to left instead of from left to right as it does in the northern hemisphere. I'd find that very disorientating. How do people who have 'east/west' problems cope in US cities where streets have names like East 54th Street? Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Left/right/north/south
Whew! Thanks, Linda! My immediate reaction was that our earth is a big marble, and we all spin on the same axis... so how did the sun do that trick of coming up in the west down under? Breathing at a regular rate again... Clay - Original Message - From: Linda Walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lace Chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:59 AM Subject: Re: [lace-chat] Left/right/north/south Dear Jean, and Lacemakers, There was a programme on TV the other night about the effect the moon has on the earth. It had never occured to me until it was mentioned in that programme that in the southern hemisphere the sun and moon travel across the sky from right to left instead of from left to right as it does in the northern hemisphere. I'd find that very disorientating. (snip) Jean in Poole No! No! The television people have got things confused again. I asked my husband, who instructs in astronomy and gliding in his spare time, and he sent this message:- The Sun still rises in the East and sets in the West in the Southern hemisphere, it is that it is in the North, not the South that seem to confuse people. I remember when I was with the WRC we had a young Australian guy working for us (some sort of holiday job IIRC) and he turned up hours late to a site in the Midlands. It emerged that he had got totally lost because the Sun was in the South, not the North. I've asked gliding people and they claim not to be bothered as the Sun is virtually overhead in SA and Oz, and they use GPS in any case. Think about it: the Earth goes round as a whole sphere. There would only be the effect of seeing the Sun going in opposite directions if the Earth were divided at the Equator and the Northern Hemisphere were going in the opposite direction to the Southern Hemisphere. However, if the Sun were, say, over the Equator, it would look as if it were in the North if you were below the Equator, and as if it were in the South if you were above the Equator. If you can remember the details of that television programme, I think you should send them a crisp feedback message! Best wishes, Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K., where I can't see the Sun at all due to heavy fog, which makes me feel so disinclined to start the things I ought to be doing). To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Direction of the sun
Yes, Jean - but the same hold true in the Northern Hemisphere! If you stand looking south, the sun will rise on your left and set on your right. If you look north, the opposite holds true. Same as in Oz - correct? Clay - Original Message - From: Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 1:15 PM Subject: [lace-chat] Direction of the sun Linda wrote: The Sun still rises in the East and sets in the West in the Southern hemisphere, it is that it is in the North, not the South that seem to confuse people. If I stand and watch the sun in the southern sky rising in the east and setting in the west, I see it pass from my left to my right. If I have to turn round the look at it in the north I will see it passing from my right to my left even though it's still passing from east to west. Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Direction of the sun
Hey, didn't someone here write a piece on The Earth is Flat recently? Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ From: Clay Blackwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, Jean - but the same hold true in the Northern Hemisphere! If you stand looking south, the sun will rise on your left and set on your right. If you look north, the opposite holds true. Same as in Oz - correct? Clay To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] closet weight-training lacemakers
Now you buff ladies are scaring me!! ; ) Clay - Original Message - From: Bev Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:40 PM Subject: [lace-chat] closet weight-training lacemakers Hi everyone and Avital who wrote: Iron-Pumping Avital, who keeps a 5 kg dumbbell on her desk at work to use while the computer's booting up and to intimidate cranky project managers and Bev cheers - no kidding! I have a 2.3 kg. set of dbells at my computer (on the floor that is, where I can pick them up - but out of the way so I don't trip on them...), at the ready for those moments where you don't want to sit there doing nothing while the computer does *something* -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins http://www.victoria.tc.ca/~wt912 To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Direction of the sun
I don't know, Noelene, but I can sense that there's a lacemaker's vision of the earth, moon and stars just itching to be born as a poem in you!! ;) Clay Hey, didn't someone here write a piece on The Earth is Flat recently? Noelene in Cooma To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] XYZ was: Left, right
It never occurred to me that folks might have trouble remembering which was X and which was Y. Good thing I never taught analytic geometry, eh? Perhaps it was because I learned the number line first. Then when we added a second line running up and down, the first line was x and the second line was y. And when we added a third line coming straight out of the paper, that was z. I presume that when they added a fourth line for time, that could be T, but now that the universe has at least seven dimensions, I haven't the foggiest what they do. It wasn't mentioned in the thread I read on SF.fandom, where various engineers were complaining that other engineers used the wrong conventions. -1^-2, for example, is i everywhere except in electrical engineering, where it's j, to distinguish it from current. i and j never bugged me -- I'm too aware that j is a variant form of i -- but I learned that they *swap* some conventions: what should be theta is phi, and what should be phi is theta. That would be a much bigger hassle than variations on the BCC ever thought about being! It could crash a spaceship, now that you mention it . . . -- Joy Beeson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~joybeeson/ http://home.earthlink.net/~beeson_n3f/ west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A. where it's cold and wet. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Lace Guild
Hi, I have just spoken to Sue Big. Both e-mail addresses of the Lace Guild are down at the moment but they are aware and are working on it. As soon as they are up and running I will let you know. KEEP LACING, VIVIENNE, BIGGINS To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Lace Guild
Thanks for your help. Shelagh - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:58 AM Subject: [lace] Lace Guild Hi, I have just spoken to Sue Big. Both e-mail addresses of the Lace Guild are down at the moment but they are aware and are working on it. As soon as they are up and running I will let you know. KEEP LACING, VIVIENNE, BIGGINS - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: [lace-chat] Left/right/north/south
Sorry Clay, I iintended to send this to the whole list. (never get that reply/reply all button stuff figured out) Cearbhael - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Clay Blackwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [lace-chat] Left/right/north/south First off, it is doesn't need a scientist to break it down. The sun comes up in the east and goes down in the West. The only time there is a left or right depends on what direction YOUR standing. Actually if I face east in the morning (and wouldn't matter what hemisphere you are in) it will come up straight in front of you and travel up and over behind you. If your facing west, you won't see it come up and won't see it until it is noon when you can look straight up at it. Then you can watch it move away from you and down. If your facing North. (any hemisphere) the sun will go from right to left. If you facing south then it will move from left to right. So...unless your exactly positive what direction your facing, it is easier to remember that in the morning it is in the east. Around noon it is pretty much overhead, and in the afternoon it is in the western sky. So it makes more sense to be aware of what time of day it is and then look where the sun is and figure out what direction your going. You can also look at your shadow. They always point away from the sun. So where the sun is concerned, left and right is a very relative term and not very reliable. Cearbhael - Original Message - From: Clay Blackwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [lace-chat] Left/right/north/south It had never occured to me until it was mentioned in that programme that in the southern hemisphere the sun and moon travel across the sky from right to left instead of from left to right as it does in the northern hemisphere. I'd find that very disorientating. REALLY?! It has never occurred to me either, and my poor befuddled brain just can't get around it. Could one of our scientific minds please break this down for me!! Clay - Original Message - From: Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:31 AM Subject: [lace-chat] Left/right/north/south There was a programme on TV the other night about the effect the moon has on the earth. It had never occured to me until it was mentioned in that programme that in the southern hemisphere the sun and moon travel across the sky from right to left instead of from left to right as it does in the northern hemisphere. I'd find that very disorientating. How do people who have 'east/west' problems cope in US cities where streets have names like East 54th Street? Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: XYZ was: Left, right
At 03:46 PM 11/11/2003 -0800, you wrote: It never occurred to me that folks might have trouble remembering which was X and which was Y...- but I learned that they *swap* some conventions: what should be theta is phi, and what should be phi is theta. That would be a much bigger hassle than variations on the BCC ever thought about being! It could crash a spaceship, now that you mention it . . . It sort of already DID! One space thing that was sent out didn't work. They finally figured out that some of the specifications used were given in metric measure and they used them as inches. Thus the poor robot could not follow the signals given and millions of dollars were wasted. Fortunately it didn't carry humans on that trip. I think I'll go back to Cross and Twist. I have almost enough bobbins wound to start that new pattern. Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon - Brisk cold wind today. Clear but chilly. Oregon Country Lacemakers Arachne Secret Pal Administrator Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Fwd: Right? Left?
From: Panza, Robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue Nov 11, 2003 11:52:24 US/Eastern To: 'Tamara P. Duvall' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Right? Left? From: Martha Krieg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also no coincidence that left-handed and sinister are the same word in latin. If you can't predict it, it must be wrong and evil. And adroit means right-handed and gauche means left-handed. And left comes from Anglo-Saxon lyft, meaning weak or broken. And no ser zurdo (Spanish) = to be clever (literally, not left-handed). And linkisch (German) = awkward and maladroit in the dictionary. And mancino (Italian) = dishonest (from mancus = crooked or maimed). And in Russian, being called left-handed (levja) is just a plain insult. And bongo (Romany/Gypsy) = a fixed race/game or dishonest/wicked person. And nespretan (Serbo-croatian) = awkward, unskilled. And kreisais (Latvian) = left side and wrong side. And levobocek (Czech) = bastard. In Hawaiian, left-handed is hema; hemahema means ignorant, unskilled, clumsy, etc. An illegitimate child comes from the left side of the bed. left-handed complement = insult left-handed marriage = adultery and left-handed wife = mistress left-handed left-handed diagnosis = wrong left-handed business = criminal or other unsavory activity left-handed ship = an unlucky one Interestingly, ambidextrous (meaning two right hands) in Basque is eskerreskuindar, literally left-right. I'm moving to Basque country where they don't discriminate against us so badly. R In Polish, ambidextrous is both-handed (obureczny). But, if you're doing something illegal/shady, you're doing it on the left... :) - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Fwd: Right? Left?
And one of these days... it will be politically incorrect to slur the left-handed any more than it is to say gone south or tell an ethnic joke or tell the dumb blonde jokes. The minorities have always been subject to derision, whether it's politically correct or not. Face it. There are differences! Vive la Clay - Original Message - From: Tamara P. Duvall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [lace-chat] Fwd: Right? Left? From: Panza, Robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Right? Left? From: Martha Krieg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also no coincidence that left-handed and sinister are the same word in latin. If you can't predict it, it must be wrong and evil. . To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] east-west
Rose-Marie, could be that being surrounded there is no definitive place to base direction, for instance, if I can see where Keira Mountain is I know which way is west. Where you are every direction has mountains, so there is no starting point. Just my confused in the southern hemisphere two cents worth, however, since there are no pennies here, I suppose that would be my five cents worth. Lynn Scott in Wollongong To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Fwd: Right? Left?
On Tuesday, Nov 11, 2003, at 20:25 US/Eastern, Clay Blackwell wrote: And one of these days... it will be politically incorrect to slur the left-handed any more than it is to say gone south or tell an ethnic joke or tell the dumb blonde jokes. The minorities have always been subject to derision, whether it's politically correct or not. Face it. There are differences! Vive la Fortunately, we're still permitted to *celebrate* the differences, even if we're no longer permitted to make fun of them. The day will come, when even *noticing* the difference will be a no-no, at least in public... The excess of PC is one (though not only) reason my subterrenean joke list (called smut for ease, but not always dirty) exists and thrives, with 40 members of it belonging to chat (the non-chat membership is 17). OTOH (this is a Libra speaking g)... Having to knuckle down and to curb one's dislike of the diffent, even if only in public, is not such a bad thing... I've seen what happened (in places like Bulgaria or Yugolsavia, for example, once the communist system disintegrated), when the centuries-old enmities were permitted to *surface* (and boil over), under the guise of free speech and democracy, and it wasn't pretty... I guess I'll continue to keep my own counsel on what's right and what isn't. And, if I err... Well, I *did* say I have problems with left-right, no? - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Direction of the sun
Noelene, That was me. (I?) I wrote a short play for my philosophy class using Bugs Bunny and Porky Pig as debaters over whether the earth was flat. You may be pleased to know that I got an A+ on it! If any one is interested I could send you a copy. (Although why you would want to see my schoolwork, is beyond me.) Heather Abbotsford, BC Where I now have to reconstruct an argument by Thursday. At 09:09 AM 12/11/2003 +1100, W N Lafferty wrote: Hey, didn't someone here write a piece on The Earth is Flat recently? Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Direction of the sun/flat earth
On Tuesday, Nov 11, 2003, at 21:02 US/Eastern, H. Muth wrote: That was me. (I?) I wrote a short play for my philosophy class using Bugs Bunny and Porky Pig as debaters over whether the earth was flat. You may be pleased to know that I got an A+ on it! If any one is interested I could send you a copy. (Although why you would want to see my schoolwork, is beyond me.) Heather Abbotsford, BC Where I now have to reconstruct an argument by Thursday. Congratulations on your grade. And I'd like a copy, please -- if the chat can't/doesn't want to support it because of length, then privately. As for why... :) I'm argumentative by nature, and I *like* a well-reasoned argument, whether I agree with the final findings or not; it's the beauty of looking at something (anything: lace problem, philosophical problem, language/thought process relationship, a twig) from more than one angle that appeals to me. I used to play devil's advocate in our classroom debates in highschool just for the fun of it (drove my -- very literally-minded teacher of Polish -- *wild*. Which, naturally, added to my enjoyment g). So I'm very much aware that, while it's quite easy to argue a point one believes in, it's quite a different thing to try and build up a spin and to produce -- equally convincing -- *counter* arguments, especially if one's private beliefs are on the other side. But doing that is still easier than producing *both* sides of an argument all at once :) So, I wanna see how you'd tackled that, especially since it seems (judging by the grade) that you've tackled it *well*... It's not the subject or the conclusions that interest me; it's the logic of the *thought process*. - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Direction of the sun
Yes, Jean - but the same hold true in the Northern Hemisphere! If you stand looking south, the sun will rise on your left and set on your right. If you look north, the opposite holds true. Same as in Oz - correct? Clay You are correct, Clay. It all depends which way you are facing - towards the equator, or towards the Pole. I get confused when I visit Denver - the mountains are on the wrong side - I live to the east of Melbourne, and we have some hills (I dare not call them mountains, after visiting the Rockies!!!) just 20 minutes drive from here - further out to the East. - and 'That' is where I expect my hills to be - not like in Denver, where they are to the west!! Our hills are our marker when we come home from a long trip - when we can see the Dandenongs, we know we are nearly home! from Liz in Melbourne, Oz, [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: east-west, penny-cent
On Tuesday, Nov 11, 2003, at 20:40 US/Eastern, donlynn (Lynn Scott) wrote: Just my confused in the southern hemisphere two cents worth, however, since there are no pennies here, I suppose that would be my five cents worth. How funny... I've never thought about it before, but we (here in the US) don't have pennies *either*... :) There's 100 *cents* to a dollar (as the name suggests), and, if you're really short, you don't have a red cent (cents being made of copper and reddish in tint). The public toilets are free, so we don't go to spend a penny. We do have pounds, but only as weight units, not as money, so penny wise, pound foolish is only found in Brit books... *Yet*, we do contribute our pennyworth to discussions. Weird :) Though, when we allow for the exchange rate, it becomes 2 *cents* worth g Yours, always in love with the language, - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Philosophy Play
Tamara, I've sent you a copy privately, but I'd like to clarify that the play was about a Rational speaker (a speaker with the truth) and a Rhetorical speaker (a speaker with all the bells and whistles). It was a requirement that the audience reacted to the speakers positively or negatively. So while the argument itself may not be that convincing one of the speakers certainly is. Heather Abbotsford, BC Congratulations on your grade. And I'd like a copy, please -- if the chat can't/doesn't want to support it because of length, then privately. As for why... :) I'm argumentative by nature, and I *like* a well-reasoned argument, whether I agree with the final findings or not; it's the beauty of looking at something (anything: lace problem, philosophical problem, language/thought process relationship, a twig) from more than one angle that appeals to me. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Philosophy Play (the earth is flat)
On Tuesday, Nov 11, 2003, at 22:10 US/Eastern, H. Muth wrote: Tamara, I've sent you a copy privately, but I'd like to clarify that the play was about a Rational speaker (a speaker with the truth) and a Rhetorical speaker (a speaker with all the bells and whistles). It was a requirement that the audience reacted to the speakers positively or negatively. So while the argument itself may not be that convincing one of the speakers certainly is. Thanks very much. Like your teacher, I too, enjoyed reading it tremendously, and chuckled through most of it, even though I'm not familiar with the characters (when I was a teenager, *some* of the Disney's Mickey Mouse stuff was shown on our TV once a week but, in general, American cartoons were considered bourgeois and, as such, not suitable for viewing. *Especially not* for viewing by unformed -- and possibly easy to corrupt -- young minds g). The funny thing is... Even though you've stacked -- very skillfully -- the odds *against* the speaker with the truth (Porky), after the first couple of interchanges between the two, I'd have rooted for Porky, even if he'd been all wrong, or I was unable to follow his argument :) In part, of course, because I'm contrary by nature... But also because from the earliest I can remember, I was taught to *distrust* the surface and, *especially*, to distrust self-aggrandizing; anyone who put down an opponent and self-elevated, offering a *specious* argument (rather than a reasoned one) was, *automatically*, suspect. We saw too much of that, on a daily basis, to take self-promotion seriously. That is, for example, why I view *all* politicians with a jaded eye, even as I do my duty and go to the voting booth. There's also (equally deeply rooted) instinct to root for the underdog (that one is more wide spread than the post-communist disenchantment, BTW; it may have there, but for the grace of God... element in it). Showing up and cutting down to size the guy who seems to have everything going for him, is a lot of fun too... :) And, back to personal, gut response, untainted by social/political factors... I can't *stand* the charmers -- you can't trust them, because they change horses in mid-course, and you never know where you're at with them. And, the louder they are, the more I dislike them (yes, I'm *very much aware* g) All in all, swimming upstream seems to be an inherited gene in me... :) I *highly* recommend reading the playlet (more a skit, really; even in HTML, and even with the teacher's comments, it was less than 20KB). For those on chat -- request it from Heather. For those not on chat -- I'm keeping the copy, and I don't think Heather would object to my forwarding it. - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Fwd: Right? Left?
Rofl, Tamara, I would have but it is that same old problem of the reply/reply to all button. I just have to hit reply for most things. This list is the exception to the rule. (though it is an excellent method of being able to email direct to the sender and not the list LOL) So I am forwarding it!!! How is that!! You? A Braggart???Never. Keep that subterrainean stuff coming!!! Cearbhael - Original Message - From: Tamara P. Duvall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [lace-chat] Re: Fwd: Right? Left? Hi Serb, Here here!!! (one of those subterrainean joke list members!!!) And may I add proudly lefthanded!! Shoulda sent it to chat, too, so that people don't think I'm bragging :) T - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: east-west, penny-cent
Tamara writes: and reddish in tint). The public toilets are free, so we don't go to spend a penny. Did you hear about the wealthy woman on a cruise ship many years ago, where it was a requirement to put a penny in a box to gain access to a toilet. She never carried money, and complained to the purser, asking if she could pay at the end of the trip. Madam, he said, This is a Cunard liner, not a PO! Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] LACE mag
Hi, With all the discussion of mail strikes and the LACE magazine - has any one in the U.S. gotten their copy? I have not gotten mine as of yet. Jane O'Connor in New Lenox, Illinois [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take time to laugh, it is the music of the soul. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
