[lace-chat] possies

2004-02-18 Thread Helene Gannac
 If Aussie Poms are Possies , what does that make me, an Aussie French? 
A Fossie, a FrOz, or a Frozzie?

Helene, the froggy from Melbourne


I don't know whether Possie is in general circulation 
My tame Aussie is british born and told me yesterday that this made him a

PomOz ..

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[lace-chat] bad Englsih

2004-02-18 Thread Helene Gannac
You are quite right, Jean, it should be with, not of. 

The one I really abominate, and you see everywhere is Free giftAnd
it's not only in English, I've seen it in French in shops and magazines
too. Do you find the same in other languages?

Helene, the froggy from Melbourne

Am I right or am I wrong?

Today I went to the local DIY store and there was a very large notice in 
the
ntrance foyer trying to persuade people to buy trailers to put their
purchases in and then tow behind their cars. The notice was:

Are you fed up of scratching or overloading your car?

I think it should be:

Are you fed up with scratching or overloading your car?

and that the notice is just typical of sloppy English. The same store
frequently has groups or suites of items comprising of written on its
notices.

Before I write to the manager suggestig he employs a signwriter with some
knowledge of the English language, is the current notice in the foyer 
wrong,
or have I been wrong all my life?


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Re: [lace-chat] Eden Weekend

2004-02-18 Thread lynn
Liz, I have only done the weekend thing once and it was a great chance to
get together with other lacemakers.  The year I lived down that way I didn't
get there.  Noelene, what week is it this year, I was just looking at my
calendar and I think our trip to the Gold Coast is the next week.  This
calendar doesn't show Mother's Day, so I don't know which is the following
weekend.


Lynn Scott, Wollongong, Australia

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Re: [lace-chat] Possie

2004-02-18 Thread lynn
Which of course Noelene is why I didn't say cossie, you've seen me in one,
and there is no way that is going public.  Actually I was using Canuck
(which is a slang term for Canadian) with the Aussie.  Ca-ussie.

Lynn Scott, Wollongong, Australia

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[lace-chat] Language is cool

2004-02-18 Thread Peter Goldsmith
Yes English spelling can be really confusing. Weird is one word that doesn't
follow the general rule and Neil - my nephew's name - is another which really
confused me I always wanted to follow the rule. Rules in English spelling are
always only guidelines and as the old adage says 'The exception proves the
rule'. Which of course doesn't make sense until you realise that prove in this
case means test.
For those word smiths it is also the case that we can say whether a particular
word in English or not by the letter combination(s). So for instance if a word
contained the following combination of letters -tchst- we would say the word
is not English or is it?
Another item I find fascinating is once children turn approximately 2 years if
they have not been exposed to particular sounds then they are unable to
differentiate between similar sounds - I suppose in English an example would
be free and three - that's why some people never manage a good accent in a
foreign language and why Chinese have problems with the r sound.
With regard to Jean's
Are you fed up of scratching or
overloading your car?
 I think it should be:
 Are you fed up with scratching or
overloading your car?

If I read them in the first sentence I want to put a pause after scratching (a
comma). With my education in the UK we did not study grammar as such and so I
can only go by whether something sounds right - once had a 'discussion' with a
work colleague as to whether who or whom was correct in a particular sentence.
The lack of a grammatical education meant that in a recent quiz the question
Which TV show features a split infinitive in the opening? left me reaching
for an English usage book - (so which tv show? and, what's the split
infinitive?).
As English is a living and diverse language to try and stop changes will be as
successful as Canute was in trying to stop the tide coming in, or indeed any
other language trying to stop English words from creeping in. My own bugbears
as far as English usage are:
- the use of the word sick for something thats good
- the invention of the word yous as an unnecessary plural for you (an Aussie
invention as far as I'm aware).
- the use of the word loan for both borrow and loan.

On that note the printer has stopped printing the designs, so I can put the
freshly made yoghurt in the fridge and go to bed!!

Peter

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Re: [lace-chat] Re: Language is cool

2004-02-18 Thread Joy Beeson
At 07:05 PM 2/17/04 -0500, Tamara P. Duvall wrote:
On Feb 17, 2004, at 16:45, W  N Lafferty wrote:

 hp ll yr chks trn nt ms nd kck yr dnny dwn.
 In the meantime:
 m flt t lk lzrd drnkng.
 David in Ballarat
 No problem David, but I wont post the answers - see if someone
 overseas comes up with the right words!  Perhap's Liz's tame
 Aussie can tell here what a dnny is.

Hope all your cheeks turn into mouse and kick your dunny down?
My fault to like lizard drinking?

I'll disqualify myself, because I've heard both phrases -- probably right
here on the list.

I think a dnny is an uthuse.

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Re: [lace-chat] Language is Cool

2004-02-18 Thread David Collyer
G'day Peter,
Welcome aboard. BTW I've always spelled it sulphur!!! :)
David in Ballarat
I don't know whether Possie is in general circulation or whether it is a word
my Uncle coined for those in the family that had become Aussie citizens.
Peter

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[lace-chat] Silly warnings on packaging

2004-02-18 Thread Jean Nathan
I just bought a packet of limescale remover wipes for my bathroom and
kitchen sinks - if the water in Poole was any harder, it wouldn't come out
of the taps. I found they don't actually work, so it's back to the liquid
stuff. The warning on the packet of wipes is Not to be used for personal
hygiene.

Jean in Poole

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[lace-chat] Re: Lacemaking? machine on ebay

2004-02-18 Thread Alice Howell
At 07:17 AM 2/18/2004, you wrote:
Any ideas on what it is and how it works? Is the pair of gloves in the
manufacturer's plate a clue?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3275339530category=605
I showed this to my DH.  He researched the company and found it came from a 
town that was known for glovemaking and leatherwork.  This machine sews 
something that is not a standard straight seam.

My best guess is that it sews the hem around the wrist section of a glove.

Any other ideas?
Alice in Oregon
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[lace-chat] More bumper stickers

2004-02-18 Thread Jean Nathan
I'm out of estrogen. I have a gun.
Guys have feelings, too. But like... who cares?
I don't believe in miracles. I rely on them.
Next mood swing: 6 minutes.
I hate everybody, and you're next.
Please don't make me kill you.
And your point is ...
I used to be schizophrenic, but we're OK now.
I'm busy. You're ugly. Have a nice day.
Warning: I have an attitude and I know how to use it.
Don't worry. It'll only seem kinky the first time.
Why do people with closed minds always open their mouths?
I'm multitalented: I can talk and annoy you at the same time.
Do NOT start with me. You won't win.
You have the right to remain silent, so please SHUT UP.
All stressed out and no one to choke.
I'm one of those bad things that happen to good people.
How can I miss you if you won't go away?
Sorry if I looked interested. I'm not.
If we are what we eat, I'm fast, cheap and easy.

Jean in Poole

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[lace-chat] Re: lace-chat-digest V2004 #33

2004-02-18 Thread Laceandbits
Let's face it - English is a crazy language.
There is no egg in eggplant nor ham in hamburger

But these aren't English, they are American.  We have aubergines and 
beefburgers.

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Re: [lace-chat] Language is cool

2004-02-18 Thread Scotlace
I managed to decipher kick the dunny down but could one of the words be 
chooks?  

Patricia in Walws
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Re: [lace-chat] Re: lace-chat-digest V2004 #33

2004-02-18 Thread Carol Adkinson
Ah yes - but we also have Shepherds Pie, and Cottage Pie ..

But presumably so named not because of the shepherd or cottage in them, but
the fact that the former is made with lamb or, more probably, originally
with mutton, and the latter because (and I'm clutching at straws now) the
beef and potatoes were eaten in the cottage.

CArol


 Let's face it - English is a crazy language.
 There is no egg in eggplant nor ham in hamburger

 But these aren't English, they are American.  We have aubergines and
 beefburgers.


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[lace-chat] PERSONALITY TEST

2004-02-18 Thread Sue Babbs
I don't think I've seen this on arachne, and I shouldn't take it all
seriously, but have fun all the same
Sue

 The Dalai Lama said read it to see if it works for
 you.
  Do not cheat by looking up the answers. The mind is like a parachute, it
works best when it is opened. This is fun to do, but you have to follow the
instructions very closely. Do not cheat. (Okay, the instructions have now
said do not cheat twice.  I'm a little insulted!)
 MAKE A WISH BEFORE BEGINNING THE TEST!!
 A Warning! Answer the questions as you go along.
 There are only four questions and if you see them
 all before finishing, you will not have honest results. Go down slowly and
do each exercise
 as you scroll down. Don't look ahead. Get pencil and paper to write your
answers as you go along. You will need it at the end. This is an honest
 questionnaire which will tell you a lot about your
 true self. Give an answer for each item.
 Question #1:
 Put the following 5 animals in the order of your
 preference. Cow Tiger Sheep Horse Pig
 Question #2:
 Write one word that describes each one of the
 following: Dog Cat Rat Coffee Sea
 Question #3:
 Think of someone (who also knows you and is
 important to you) that you can relate them to the following colours (do
not repeat your answer twice.
 Name just one person for each colour.) Yellow
 Orange Red White Green
 Question #4:
 Finally, write down your favourite number and your
 favourite day of the week.
 Finished? Please be sure that your answers are
 what you REALLY WANT.
 Look at the interpretations below: (but first
 before continuing, repeat your wish.)
 This will define your priorities in your life.
 Cow Signifies CAREER
 Tiger Signifies PRIDE
 Sheep Signifies LOVE
 Horse Signifies FAMILY
 Pig Signifies MONEY
 Your description of dog implies your own
 personality. Your description of cat implies the personality of your
partner. Your description of rat implies the personality of your enemies.
Your
 description of coffee is how you interpret sex.
 Your description of the sea implies your own life.
 Yellow: Someone you will never forget
 Orange: Someone you consider your true friend
 Red: Someone that you really love
 White: Your twin soul
 Green: Someone that you will remember for the rest
 of your life
 You have to send this message to as many persons
 as your favourite number and your wish will come true on the day that you
put. This is what the
 Dalai Lama has said about the Millennium-just take
 a few seconds to read it and think. Do not put away this message, the
mantra will come out from
 your hands in the next 96 hours. You will have a
 very pleasant surprise. This is true, even if you are not superstitious.
 Please do this. It is fascinating.
 SEND THIS E-MAIL MANTRA TO AT LEAST FIVE PERSONS
 AND YOUR LIFE WILL IMPROVE
 0-4 persons: Your life will improve slightly
 5-9 persons: Your life will improve to your liking
 9-14 persons: You will have at least 5 surprises
 in the next three weeks
 15 or more persons: Your life will improve
 drastically and all that you have always dreamed will take shape.


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[lace-chat] Re: bad Englsih

2004-02-18 Thread Joy Beeson
At 07:11 PM 2/18/04 +1100, Helene Gannac wrote:

The one I really abominate, and you see everywhere is Free gift

Like flammable, free gift is a justified abomination.  In adverspeak, a
gift is a product that nobody in his right mind would buy for his own use.
A free gift is a gift that is included in the price of something that you
*would* buy for your own use.  An item actually given to you free is an
advertising premium.   (Simple premium is a gift enclosed in the
packaging of another product.)

I have a point turner (garment-sewing tool) that was a sophmoric advertising
premium.  Soph because it's a really well-designed turner that I cling to
carefully because you can't buy one anywhere, moric because they didn't
print their name on it and I have no idea what it was advertising.  

And yes, you get sick of and fed up with.  And there aren't any rules,
you just *know*.  Why do you need a to before the infinitive when you say
have (I have to run) but you can't put a to before the infinitive when
you say must (I must run)?  There's no rhyme nor reason to it.  

We have to
We need to 
We must
We can 
We are able to 
We gotta (well, I *know* why *that* one doesn't take a to) 
It is possible to 
It is easy to 
Hey!  A rule!  to be plus adverb takes a to.  Watch ten thousand
exceptions be posted.  It is to laugh.  (Argh!  It's just that to be is a
to verb.)  


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[lace-chat] Re: possie

2004-02-18 Thread Joy Beeson
At 09:06 PM 2/17/04 -0800, Bev Walker wrote:

I thought Joy's definition referred to 'posse' (pronounced possie) as in
'we're going to organize a posse'

I never swore fealty to Samuel Johnson -- I'll stick an i in if I want to.

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-- 
It must be owned, that our language is, at present, 
in a state of anarchy, and hitherto, perhaps, it may 
not have been the worse for it. During our free and 
open trade, many words and expressions have been 
imported, adopted, and naturalized from other 
languages, which have greatly enriched our own. 
Let it still preserve what real strength and beauty 
it may have borrowed from others; but let it not, 
like the Tarpeian maid, be overwhelmed and crushed 
by unnecessary ornaments. The time for discrimination 
seems to be now come. Toleration, adoption, and 
naturalization have run their lengths. Good order and 
authority are now necessary. But where shall we find 
them, and at the same time the obedience due to them? 
We must have recourse to the old Roman expedient in 
times of confusion, and chuse a dictator. Upon this 
principle, I give my vote for Mr. Johnson, to fill 
that great and arduous post, and I hereby declare, 
that I make a total surrender of all my rights and 
privileges in the English language, as a free-born 
British subject, to the said Mr. Johnson, during the 
term of his dictatorship. Nay more, I will not only 
obey him like an old Roman, as my dictator, but, 
like a modern Roman, I will implicitly believe in him 
as my Pope, and hold him to be infallible while in 
the chair, but no longer. More than this he cannot 
well require; for, I presume, that obedience can 
never be expected, where there is neither terrour 
to enforce, nor interest to invite it.
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Re: [lace-chat] possies

2004-02-18 Thread Helene Gannac
I don't mind either, as long as I am not a floozie :-) Perhap[s I could be
a FreM instead?

Helene, the Frozzie from Melbourne

 --- Ruth Budge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  In reply to the message
from the Caussie, I like Frozzie!   
 
 From another Possie, Ruth Budge!
 
  --- lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   If Aussie Poms are
 Possies ,
 what does that make me, an Aussie French?
   A Fossie, a FrOz, or a Frozzie?
  
  This here Caussie likes Frozzie -does that mean I should and could be
  Cazzie?
  I think I need to go to bed, this is getting silly.
  
  Lynn Scott, Wollongong, Australia
 
 
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Re: [lace-chat] Silly warnings on packaging

2004-02-18 Thread Margery Allcock
Jean Nathan wrote:  I just bought a packet of limescale remover
wipes for my bathroom and
kitchen sinks - if the water in Poole was any harder, it wouldn't
come out
of the taps. I found they don't actually work, so it's back to
the liquid
stuff.

Jean, don't spend money on limescale remover - use vinegar.  I
use it to descale my kettle ( fill with half-and-half vinegar and
water, boil the kettle and leave to stand for a bit; rinse twice
before making tea), and to clean shower heads and taps.  In
awkward little places, soak a dishcloth in vinegar and wrap it
around the place.  It's cheap, non-toxic and effective.  Any kind
of vinegar will work so buy the cheapest.

BFN,
Margery.
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[lace-chat] Re: Lacemaking? machine on ebay

2004-02-18 Thread Martha Krieg
Alice's guess is probably good - but it might have been possible to 
sew any of the tricky seams on it, including the wrist. Clearly it is 
a special-purpose sewing machine. I noticed at the right, where the 
body joins the disk the needle appears to enter at the far edge, 
there seems to be a cutter. Perhaps it was designed to sew together 
the lining and the outer material/leather of the glove, and trim the 
resulting seam?

At 07:17 AM 2/18/2004, you wrote:
Any ideas on what it is and how it works? Is the pair of gloves in the
manufacturer's plate a clue?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3275339530category=605
I showed this to my DH.  He researched the company and found it came 
from a town that was known for glovemaking and leatherwork.  This 
machine sews something that is not a standard straight seam.

My best guess is that it sews the hem around the wrist section of a glove.

Any other ideas?
Alice in Oregon
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[lace-chat] :) Fwd: Cowboy boots...

2004-02-18 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
I may not have gotten my Lace today... I may not have gotten my 
Kniplebrevet... But, boy-oh-boy, did I get a load of good jokes... :)

From: S.M.
An elderly couple, Sam and Bessie, are snowbirds in Austin Texas. Sam
always wanted a pair of authentic cowboy boots. Seeing some on sale one 
day,
he buys them, wears them home. He walks into the house and says to his 
wife,
Notice anything different about me?
 
Bessie looks him over, Nope.
 
Frustrated, Sam storms off into the bathroom, undresses and walks back 
into
the room completely naked except for the boots. Again he asks, a little
louder this time, Notice anything different now!!!
 
Bessie looks up and says, Sam, what's so different? It's hanging down
today, it was hanging down yesterday and it'll be hanging down again
tomorrow.
 
Furious, Sam yells, 'D'ya know why it's hanging down, Bessie? It's 
hanging
down because it's admiring these new cowboy boots!!
 
 To which Bessie replies, Should'a bought a hat, Sam, ya 
should'a  bought a hat.
 
-
Tamara P Duvall
Lexington, Virginia,  USA
Formerly of Warsaw, Poland
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[lace-chat] :) Fwd: 3 questions

2004-02-18 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
Back in the bad old times, in Communist Poland, we had a similiar 
one. For many years, there was no need for it in the US, but, now, we 
have Homeland Security... :)

From: J.F.
Dubya goes to a primary school to talk about the war.  After his talk
he opens the floor to questions.
One little boy puts up his hand and Dubya asks him what his name is.

Billy.

And what is your question, Billy?

I have 3 questions. First, why did the USA invade Iraq without the 
support
of the UN? Second, why are you President when Al Gore got more votes? 
And
third, whatever happened to Osama Bin Laden?

Just then the bell rings for recess.  Dubya informs the kiddies that
they will continue after recess.
When they resume Dubya says, OK, where were we? Oh that's right - 
question
time.  Who has a question?

Another little boy puts up his hand.  Dubya points him out and asks him
what his name is.
Steve

And what is your question, Steve?

I have 5 questions. First, why did the USA invade Iraq without the 
support of the UN?
Second, why are you President when Al Gore got more votes? Third, 
whatever happened to Osama Bin Laden? Fourth, why did the recess bell 
go 20 minutes early?

And fifth...  Whatever happened to Billy?

-
Tamara P Duvall
Lexington, Virginia,  USA
Formerly of Warsaw, Poland
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Re: [lace-chat] Language is cool

2004-02-18 Thread dominique
i love that kind of phrases though i have to reach for my pronoucing 
dictionnary .. lol ...we have some pretty ones in french too but then no 
one would say French is an easy language to learn ..

dominique from Paris .

Peter Goldsmith a décidé d' écrire à  Ò[lace-chat] Language is coolÓ.
[2004/02/17 12:58]

 I was sent this some time ago but coming only recently to lace chat I dont
 know whether it made it here.
 
 H  GAWD 
 
 

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