[lace-chat] Plastic bobbins
There are (or there were) some plastic bobbins available. I bought a couple in the 1980s, and Pamela Nottingham recommended those sold by Hornsbys in the UK. I've got a few of them and you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between them and wooden ones. Hornsbys are still trading in a much smaller way than they were, and I don't know if they are still selling them. There might be other general suppliers who still sell them. Plastic lace bobbins often come up for sale on ebay. I think basic wooden bobbins are now cheaper than plastic - plastic being made from oil and oil prices being what they are (petrol in the UK has reached 90 pence a litre - GBP4.50 a gallon). Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Lacemaking in the USA
Susan wrote: Engand and other parts of Europe have their own history of different styles of lacemaking. The English ones were developed from other styles. Bedfordshire came about because it was quicker than Bucks Point and the lacemakers could earn more money making it. It didn't start out as a hobby - it was a way of earning a living. Machine-made lace wasn't heard of. The US is lucky in that your forebears were from so many different countries that they brough these skills and different styles with them so you don't really have one style of lace associated with one area. At one time in England (and quite recently) you wouldn't have dared suggesting making Bedfordshire lace in Honiton for instance ven as a hobby. Each area was very possessive about its style of lace. Now anyone makes any style they want. It's now almost exclusively a hobby because you can buy machine made lace a lot cheaper. Having said that, I doubt that you'd find Bedfordshire lace being made in Brugge, but Bedfordshire, Maltese and Cluny obviously all have the same roots. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Plastic bobbins
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jean Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED] an54.freeserve.co.uk> writes > Hornsbys are still trading in a >much smaller way than they were, and I don't know if they are still selling >them. >I think basic wooden bobbins are now cheaper than plastic - Haven't got the catalogue to hand but I think they are about 15p each unspangled, 65p spangled - definitely cheaper than a (reasonably) local craft centre, who had six spangled Hornsby bobbins on sale for, I think, 3 pounds each! One of my students almost bought them, as they were the white ones which had an appearance of being bone in the display cabinet, but when they got them out it was quite obvious that they were plastic. The cheapest wooden ones I have seen recently were the ones Tim Parker sells, at about 25p each (in quantity - I think it was the pack of 50). Obviously, being a teacher of beginners I keep an eye on the cheaper end of the scale, as it is important they get decent equipment at reasonable cost when setting up, but at the same time I do explain the reason why good, hand turned bobbins are as expensive as they are and the sort of price to expect to pay - it gives them time to save up before being unleashed at the shows (such as Rugby and the NEC!). Maligned as it was, the Dryad kit is proving worthwhile these days as if they can pick it up at a car boot sale for a pound or two, it is worth it for the reasonably decent pillow, pricking card, and "do for now" pricker. The bobbins, as previously said, need attacking with a file before they are of any use. -- Jane Partridge -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/77 - Release Date: 18/08/2005 To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Plastic bobbins
i think you are right about it being cheaper to make them out of wood. you can even use wood dowels that cost 33 cents a piece to make about 12 bobbins. i didn't find the hornsbys web address on the interenet search, so i don't know if they still have them or not. from susan in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Lacemaking in the USA
america had a lot of benefits with not being associated with one heritage so close that it could not see how another would be like. we are the melting pot, but if our country knew what we gained by that, they would have discouraged it just like your country did to your ancestors back in that day. they are petty here to the point that they want you to have something only in a way that it hurts you even if you worked hard your whole life for it. they try to create rules and regulations to take anything you could have gained piece by piece back to where it came from, and then punish you for trying to have earned anything all of your own. the u.s.a. is really getting strange. everything is associated with hazing and having to earn what is already yours or to have something you never would have wanted at all but made to take it and been made to put up with the consequences of the jealous who want to hurt you for it. if america had it to do all over again, they would have punished the new american people for arguing the tea tax and authority made by the brits, made the people pay the tea tax and then added a tax of their own, ruined the flavor of the tea just for the fun of it, so it wasn't worth the price, and then fed it to your children and adults at school lunches and government functions all around the nation. the u.s.a. is out to prove you wrong at every breath even if they know you are right. they have all those rights they won't let each other have because they think their people hasn't earned them yet! people died in wars to give you these freedoms, and still you aren't allowed to use them. every piece of that declaration of independance has been altered to say "you don't qualify for this right". from susan in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] RE: [lace] A book where I can find...
Hi Tracie, There is a section of Lace for Weddings in 75 Quick and Easy Bobbin Lace Patterns by Veronica Sorenson. (ISBN 0 7134 81137) which has a garter pattern; or you could try Biggins Lace (www.bigginslace.co.uk) Alternatively just make two long strips of an edging that you like and attach to a ribbon centre that has the elastic running through it. Happy lacing Andrea >From a rather damp Cambridge, UK - where the mini heatwave broke with thunderstorms in the night. From: "Tracie Tyler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >My best friend is getting married next April and I would LOVE to make >her a garter. Could someone give me ideas for books (still in print >LOL) where I can locate a pattern? > >OR..is it possible to just make an edging and make that into a garter? Want to get more out of e-mail? Then get Outlook Live! To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Plastic bobbins
We do have plastic bobbins (Midlands style) in the USA. I just looked at Catchpin's catalog, Julie carries them, at $4.00 per dozen. They come in Black, White, and Brown. I like the Black best myself as they look like ebony which I covet. When in use and spangled I don't notice any difference from the wooden ones on the same pillow. They are definitely a good deal for the beginner. Some in any batch might need a little sanding along the mold lines. Just my humble opinion Lorri >I think basic wooden bobbins are now cheaper than plastic - 3 pounds each! One of my students almost bought them, as they were the white ones which had an appearance of being bone in the display cabinet, but when they got them out it was quite obvious that they were plastic. The cheapest wooden ones I have seen recently were the ones Tim Parker sells, at about 25p each (in quantity - I think it was the pack of 50). Obviously, being a teacher of beginners I keep an eye on the cheaper end of the scale, as it is important they get decent equipment at reasonable cost when setting up, but at the same time I do explain the reason why good, hand turned bobbins are as expensive as they are and the sort of price to expect to pay - it gives them time to save up before being unleashed at the shows (such as Rugby and the NEC!). To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Plastic bobbins
At 07:46 AM 8/19/2005, you wrote: We do have plastic bobbins (Midlands style) in the USA. I just looked at Catchpin's catalog, Julie carries them, at $4.00 per dozen. They come in Black, White, and Brown. I like the Black best myself as they look like ebony which I covet. When in use and spangled I don't notice any difference from the wooden ones on the same pillow. They are definitely a good deal for the beginner. Some in any batch might need a little sanding along the mold lines. My experience is like Lorri's. The variety of plastic bobbin sold by Holly fits in well with regular Midlands. I started with them, still have them, and sometimes still use them. I didn't have any burrs or rough spots on mine. The least expensive wooden bobbins I can find are about $10 a dozen. Now I'm off to lace workshop for the next three days with Lia Baumeister-Jonker. It should be a fun weekend. Alice in Oregon -- where hot and sunny continues with a vengence To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Lacemaking in the USA
My understanding is that Bedfordshire grew from the fabrics and styles of dress changing. Fabrics became heavier and more elaborate, and Bucks Point simply didn't go with it, so the lace designers took inspiration from some of the continental guipure laces, which were heavier and more in keeping with the fashion styles. It was also an attempt to make a lace that machines could not copy. Except for the very elaborate Beds designers, such as Sargent and Lester, machines very soon caught up! Edith North Nottinghamshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Bedfordshire lace
Edith wrote: Three different lace teachers in classes I've attended have said that it evolved because it was quicker to make and wasn't easily copied by machine so the lacemakers could still earn a living. Although how making leaves can be considered quick, I don't know - I find them very difficult and slow. The teachers could all be wrong of course. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] decorating bobbins
Susan said " i really didn't want the "biker" look". What's wrong with the "biker look"? I painted a whole bunch of my bobbins with "hot rod" flames :) I did both the traditional flame colours and "ghost" flames :) I still get a chuckle out of the incongruity of the design with the gentle art of lacemaking. And, I'm always hoping that the flames will influence the lacemaker to greater speed:) Sharon, on hot and sunny Vancouver Island -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 8/15/05 To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Cream cake?
Hi All -- I'm hoping maybe someone can help me with this When I was in the Alte Museum in Munich, I had a piece of some kind of cream cake in their garden cafe. It was so good, I want to make one, if I can, but I don't know what it was! I know it's not fair to ask someone else to tell me what it was I ate, but -- that's what I'm asking! :<)) It was a soft white or yellow cake with a cream filling -- not whipped cream -- no strong flavors of liqueur or fruit or anything -- it might have had a hint of almond or lemon or something like that in the filling, but it was very subtle...a mild flavor, very nice. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Thanks in anticipation for any suggestions and/or recipes Best regards, Ricki Utah To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] once upon a time was decorating bobbins, now a Helen Ramble
lol I did find myself trying to make some lace *and* mosh to Rage Against the Machine's "Killing in the Name Of" the other day which amused me somewhat. On a similar vein of odd pairings, how about Gothic Martha Stewart? http://www.trystancraft.com/martha/ Helen At 19:06 19/08/2005, rick &sharon wrote: Susan said " i really didn't want the "biker" look". What's wrong with the "biker look"? I painted a whole bunch of my bobbins with "hot rod" flames :) I did both the traditional flame colours and "ghost" flames :) I still get a chuckle out of the incongruity of the design with the gentle art of lacemaking. And, I'm always hoping that the flames will influence the lacemaker to greater speed:) Sharon, on hot and sunny Vancouver Island Helen, normally in Somerset, UK but back in Poole, Dorset for the summer "Forget the formulae, let's make lace" -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.9/72 - Release Date: 14/08/2005 To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Bedfordshire lace
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[lace-chat] Decorating bobbins
Hornsby UK definitely still sell their wonderful plastic bobbins, I buy them in batches of 100 for 15 Pounds Sterling to keep on hand for my beginners, and I have many in use - when on the pillow, they really do seem the same weight and are the same size as my other midlands - bought another batch of the black (which do look like ebony on the pillow) only a few weeks ago. I too use fingernail transfers to decorate bobbins, and cover them with either clear nail polish or folk art varnish. And what could be more gruesome than a bobbin commemorating a hanging? Something greatly sought by collectors! Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] RE: wedding garter
There is a lovely pattern of wedding bells as a garter in Lace (80), October 1995, p 30. It's a point ground pattern which has been adapted from an insertion type piece designed by Jean Leader (Lace, (72), October 1993, p19). I adapted the pattern to add a footside, and made a length which I stitched onto a ring pillow for my BIL's wedding, and used a gimp in the bride's wedding colours. Came out looking very nice (well I thought so, and I think she was appreciative). Cheers, Helen, Aussie in Denver To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] RE:Beds lace
As I understand it, Beds lace gets it's inspiration from the Maltese laces exhibited at the Great Exhibition of 1851. Machines couldn't at that time manufacture facsimiles of it, so the designers of that area in the East Midlands changed focus, so to speak. You see many bucks point type fillings in beds, as the Lacemakers at the time had been making bucks point, so they transferred their knowledge across to this new lace. Eventually the machines could replicate some of the designs, but not totally. Cheers, Helen, Aussie in Denver To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: USA Bobbin lace web sites
i have been on lacefairy.com many times before, and it is just about as good as a lace encylopedia with a catalog of its own, and the owner is kind enough if you didn't find what you wanted from them to give vendor suggestions to find anything you need or want somewhere else or with instructions on how to build it yourself if you choose to. but you said it yourself it is all mail order. a lot of their vendor sources mentioned are not from the u.s.a. either. it is really all about bobbin lace vendors that aren't able to merchandise where the everyday public can find them, and not everyone can get a chance to go to lace fairs. they do have catalogs on the internet, but not in craft stores. no one's knocking american vendors because it is just that they don't carry anything in craft stores for bobbin lacing where most crafters shop. the only way to learn or start bobbin lacing is by after you have learned about it from somewhere else, not something offered at your local craft store where you picked out a book stocked with the other books on hobbies. most hobbies are listed there, but not bobbin lacing and not even a book to show what it is. if i were a bobbin lace company i would send my catalog to some where like "michael's" or "franks nursery and crafts" for them to show to customers. if america will collect little spoons to put on their wall instead of eat with them, they why not a bobbin lace bobbin with spangles? people who try to decorate with rustic, antique, and country designs and furniture or old time collectables would want to own something like a threaded spangled pair of bobbins to hang just for decoration. i have seen them hang connected pairs of candles the same way and display old metal clothing irons that were heated on the wood stoves for a country or old time decoration. they have little wheel barrows with silk flowers in a pot in a corner. to me that fits in right where our craft stores pick up on, and it seems strange that they haven't attempted it even just for decoration. that is the most popular type of decorating in any home i have visited. this is also the era for anything gothic, and bobbin lace can be something considered gothic. anything old english is considered gothic to most people even if it is not in the correct era. bobbin lace would interest a lot of young people looking for old time crafts to learn. if they will wear the clothes in that era for the fun of it, they also might want to pick up a hobby from the same era too. it is the hobby itself that has not been mass merchandised. that would probably be better, but considering the prices of some of these things (like a pillow for instance which some are some-what expensive)if you bought them, so it is still better to make your own if you are new and don't want to spend too much on something you may not like. look at the bobbin lace winders. they are outrageous, and most don't guarantee they may work for the type of bobbins you have. and really its not at all that people won't buy an expensive pillow or a bobbin winder if there is an option to build one yourself, it is more of an option to put the money where you will need it more like in the equipment that can't be made by yourself. even if you like to make your own lace things, you are going to spend lots of money shopping for bobbin lace. it could be on books, already made prickings, or one of those expensive pillows or winders. it will be mostly on spangles and bobbins. if you can make them yourself, fine, but you probably get bored and shop like everyone else. you are going to spend just as much money as any one else. just because you do make things for yourself, doesn't mean you are not going to shop for something you think you could have made. besides it is the search engines that were also more in question than not having local companies. even searches for things not associated with crafts are coming up companies mainly from australia, germany, and u.k.. that could be the memory of the computers. they save computer data for shopping on the internet websites that have been visited. i'm definitly not snubbing my own county's companies, i just don't understand why in america where they mass merchandise anything, especially hobbies, why not bobbin lacing, and why can't i go to the local craft store or library and find info on bobbin lace? i don't think it makes sense. from susan in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] decorating bobbins
yours sound like they would look really nice on a pillow, i just thought the skull and bones type stuff would look like something in a dungeon rather than on a pillow. i'm going to find out for myself soon. --- rick &sharon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Susan said " i really didn't want the "biker" look". What's wrong > with the > "biker look"? I painted a whole bunch of my bobbins with "hot rod" > flames > :) I did both the traditional flame colours and "ghost" flames :) > I still > get a chuckle out of the incongruity of the design with the gentle > art of > lacemaking. And, I'm always hoping that the flames will influence the > lacemaker to greater speed:) Sharon, on hot and sunny Vancouver > Island > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: > 8/15/05 > > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the > line: > unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > from susan in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: USA Bobbin lace web sites
On Aug 19, 2005, at 23:33, susan wrote: i'm definitly not snubbing my own county's companies, i just don't understand why in america where they mass merchandise anything, especially hobbies, why not bobbin lacing, and why can't i go to the local craft store or library and find info on bobbin lace? i don't think it makes sense. It makes perfect sense, financially :) It's because bobbin lacemaking does not have the "critical mass", that the things needed for it (tools and books) are not being mass produced and sold in every Michaels. Even more "accessible" (easier to learn) textile crafts like tatting or crochet are beginning to suffer - the selection of suitable threads and tools available at a WalMart or a craft store is much more limited now than it used to be 15 yrs ago - there's *not enough profit* in carrying a wide range of choices. As for libraries... Mine used to have a couple of books on lace but, being small, it also has a policy that any book not checked out in 3 years *goes*, to allow for more books (possibly of broader appeal). So, no more lace books in my library. -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] lace materials
Hi, Tamara wrote -- As for libraries... Mine used to have a couple of books on lace but, being small, it also has a policy that any book not checked out in 3 years *goes*, to allow for more books (possibly of broader appeal). So, no more lace books in my library. My library has about 6 bobbin lace books. They even ordered some new ones after my guild had done demos at the library. However, Tamara is correct that they do get rid of books that haven't been checked out in a certain length of time so I try to take them out at least once a year. It doesn't matter that they just sit for 2 weeks, it is the checking out that does the trick. Jane O IL. USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take time to laugh, it is the music of the soul To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
