[lace-chat] Left or Right?

[Webwalker]

My SIL is manager of small department store in US chain, and she 
remarked in passing that "given a choice of going around something to 
the left or right, people tend to go right".  Thinking about this, I 
wonder if it is related to handedness, or the fact that in this country 
we drive on the right side of the road.

Any thoughts on this?

Susan Webster
Canton, Ohio
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[lace-chat] Left or right?

[Jean Nathan]

I can't say that I've actually noticed that people pass each other on a
particular side, but in all the schools I've been in it's keep left. We
drive on the left, and I understand the reason is historic - whether on foot
or on horseback, the sword was always hung on the left side and
drawn/wielded in the right hand. So if you approach someone and keep to the
left of them you are always in a position to draw your sword with your right
hand and fight. Keeping left became the custom and we still drive on the
left, enabling us to stick our hand gestures out so that an oncoming
motorist can see them!!!

When waking on the pavement (sidewalk) it always depended on traffic and
weather conditions. A man always used to take the road side of the pavement
to protect a woman from traffic and water sprayed by traffic, whether he was
walking alongside her or passing her in the opposite direction. That doesn't
happen much now, and what actually happens isn't something I've studied.

Jean in Poole

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[lace-chat] Left or right?

[Jean Nathan]

I had a friend who never bothered to learn 'right' or 'left'. She relied on
everyone knowing what she meant when she said 'knife' and 'fork'.

Jean in Poole

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Re: [lace-chat] Left or Right?

[alice howell]

At 11:53 AM 11/2/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>My SIL is manager of small department store in US chain, and she 
>remarked in passing that "given a choice of going around something to 
>the left or right, people tend to go right".  Thinking about this, I 
>wonder if it is related to handedness, or the fact that in this country 
>we drive on the right side of the road.
>
>Any thoughts on this?
>

It's beat into our heads from the time we can walk -- stay to the right.
Walking in a crowded hallway, up a stairway, touring a museum, etc etc --
we are constantly told "Keep to the right".  It's the polite way to progress
in a busy situation.

It's probably a result of the same process that determined the road 
etiquette, rather than being a result of road rules.  Just a thought, not
confirmed history. 

Happy lacing,

Alice in Oregon - Cold, freezing weather has come.  Summer is gone.
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Re: [lace-chat] Left or Right?

[Maxine D]

I would venture to say it is conditioning through the road rules... here in
N.Z we drive on the left, tend to walk to the left on the footpaths etc etc.

Maxine
in tempermental spring weather here in N.Z.

I wonder if it is related to handedness, or the fact that in this country
we drive on the right side of the road.

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Re: [lace-chat] Left or Right?

[Motherchaos]

My husband says that it is related to he fact that we drive on the right
side of the road.  He said that since there are a lot of ambidexterious
people that tend to the right, that it must be due to driving.  Since I am a
very dominate left hander, I must be in trouble.I always tend to go
around things to the left.  I guess I should move over to Europe and drive
there *VBG*!!

Mikki
Fairbanks Alaska
Where it is RAINING!!  There is little snow, and a WHOLE LOTTA Ice!  This is
November??!

| My SIL is manager of small department store in US chain, and she
| remarked in passing that "given a choice of going around something to
| the left or right, people tend to go right".  Thinking about this, I
| wonder if it is related to handedness, or the fact that in this country
| we drive on the right side of the road.
|
| Any thoughts on this?
|
| Susan Webster

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Re: [lace-chat] Left or Right?

[David]

I am certain it is related to driving.  When I went to London this summer my
gut instinct, when approached by someone, was to go right -- and they nearly
inevitably went left, resulting in "the sidewalk dance."  It was consistent
to the point that I could figure out who the other tourists were!

Pam Dotson
Everett, WA  USA
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> My SIL is manager of small department store in US chain, and she
> remarked in passing that "given a choice of going around something to
> the left or right, people tend to go right".  Thinking about this, I
> wonder if it is related to handedness, or the fact that in this country
> we drive on the right side of the road.
>
> Any thoughts on this?
>
> Susan Webster
> Canton, Ohio
>
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Re: [lace-chat] Left or Right?

[Motherchaos]

I went to the University and recieved a degree in Psychlogywhile there I
was used (many times as psych students are) as a guinea pig for the students
going for their PhDs.  One such student was studying brain wave patterns in
learning. She hooked me up to an e.e.g and set me to taking a brief
computer test.  After I was done and she had rambled off to collate the
results, she came back grumbling at me.  It seems that I am such a left
dominate person (left handed, left eyed, left footed...) that my brain waves
(being very strongly right sided) are actually reversed from nearly 97% of
the population.  It seems that even most left handers are still mostly left
brain dominate.  So..you can have people that write with their right
hand but have left eyes that are the dominate oneor their left
footor even people like my husband who are completely abidexterous to
the point where you can't really tell which hand wrote his name
Me on the other "hand" *VBG* I cannot even drive an American stick
shiftI can't even hold a fork properly with my right handGod forbid
I ever break my left one!!  At least the people who are totally left brained
dominate don't have to worry so much about walking into doors and playing
baseball! *Sigh*!
I'll keep steering to the left while walking, but it is a good thing that I
am well trained with driving
Mikki
Fairbanks Alaska

| Handedness has everything to do with which direction you will go if you
walk
| without visual clues to guide you. All right handed/right footed people go
| to the right and travel in a clockwise circle. Lefties (that includes left
| footed right handers...like my son hee hee) will lead with their left foot
| and go to the left and travel in a counter clockwise circle. I My son is
what is normally
| referred to as ambidexterous but he is definitely left footed. He always
| kicks and starts walking leading with his left foot.

| Cearbhael
|
|

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Re: [lace-chat] Left or Right?

[Ruth Budge]

alice howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
It's beat into our heads from the time we can walk -- stay to the right.
Walking in a crowded hallway, up a stairway, touring a museum, etc etc --
we are constantly told "Keep to the right". It's the polite way to progress
in a busy situation.

It's probably a result of the same process that determined the road 
etiquette, rather than being a result of road rules. Just a thought, not
confirmed history. 

Well, here in Australia, we drive on the left-hand side of the road and at
school we were taught "keep to the left".  The footpaths in the central
business district of  Sydney, when I arrived here, sported painted signs "keep
to the left" and the moving staircases in the major shops still show signs
which say:  "keep to the left so that others may pass".

All of which would seem to indicate that the etiquette for walkers is related
to the local road rules.

Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia)


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re: [lace-chat] left or right...

[Bev Walker]

Hi everyone

Here in my bit of NA, and probably other bits as well, we (= my
generation) were taught to 'walk on the left, facing traffic' - supposing
there was a shoulder (gravelly space between road and probably ditch) to
walk on next to the *pavement* but no sidewalk. If there was a sidewalk
you could walk on either side of the road, as a safety rule.

Going up and down stairs and hallways at a crowded high school, traffic
flow was to the right, just as on a roadway. However, we sit on the *left*
of the car to drive it - and I get confused with instructions to get into
a righthand lane - because both lanes going one way of a 4-lane highway
are on the right...

So - to go right or left - it depends on what is confronting me ;) if a
vehicle, and I'm walking up my country road, I'll stay to the left. If a
person, I'll maintain my right.  If I have to make a quick decision I'll
take the path of least resistance.

Walking along a crowded sidewalk in town, it's every person for
themselves...and you don't want to walk too close to the curb and
traffic.

I had heard once that the gentleman walked on the outside of the sidewalk,
and wearing his hat, to protect the lady from the slops being thrown from
windows above...

bye for now
Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada)

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Re: [lace-chat] Left or Right?

[Barron]

Ruth said
and the moving staircases in the major shops still show signs
which say:  "keep to the left so that others may pass".

am I right in thinking the tube escalators in London have signs saying keep
to the right so others may pass or is my memory faulty (more than possible)

jenny barron
Scotland

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[lace-chat] Left or right brain?

[Tamara P Duvall]

This popped up on on of the "lefty blogs" I read (it's not serious 
politics all the time, y'know ). Interesting... From the way I see 
the figure moving (and I ain't tellin' and spoiling your own test), it 
means I'm right-brain dominant. Not detail-oriented, among other things 
(though, apparently, more likely to "get it" )... Not detail 
oriented??? I think I should quit making lace forthwith :)


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Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)
 
 


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[lace-chat] Left or right brain

[Jean Nathan]

BBC1 TV is running a series this week on whether you have a make or femail 
brain - that doesnlt mean you are male or female. The theory behind it is 
that the way your brain works depends on the amount of testosterone you were 
subjected to as an embryo in the womb at a certain point of eevelopment. The 
say that generally men use one side of the brain but the two sides of the 
brain in women can comunicate with each other so they use areas not used by 
men.


The results of experiements carried out this week are shown, which so far 
uphold the male/female brain regardless of sex theory. There's an online 
test as well at:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/theoneshow/article/2007/10/mm_brainsex.shtml

The average performances for people taking the test on a scale of 0-100 each 
side of male and female, men have so far come out 50 towards male and women 
50 towards female. I came in at 25 towards male, and both my ring fingers 
are longer then my index fingers. If the fingers are the same length, that's 
counted as female.


Fun to do, but don't take it too seriously. I suspect the online test will 
be removed from the web site over the weekend because the programme will go 
on to another topic next week.


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 


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Re: [lace-chat] Left or right brain?

[Alice Howell]

YikesIt keeps alternating on me.  First one way,
then the other.  And back again.  Does that mean that
my mind can't decide what it's doing

Alice in Oregon -- with 2-3 dry days before the next
series of storms.



--- Tamara P Duvall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This popped up on on of the "lefty blogs" I read
> (it's not serious 
> politics all the time, y'know ). Interesting...
> From the way I see 
> the figure moving (and I ain't tellin' and spoiling
> your own test), it 
> means I'm right-brain dominant. Not detail-oriented,
> among other things 
> (though, apparently, more likely to "get it" )...
> Not detail 
> oriented??? I think I should quit making lace
> forthwith :)
> 
>
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22556281-661,00.html
> -- 
> Tamara P Duvall   
> http://t-n-lace.net/
> Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw,
> Poland)
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Re: [lace-chat] Left or right brain?

[Sue Babbs]

I have not a clue how you make the figure look as if it is going 
anti-clockwise. I am the most right-handed of people, and should therefore 
be left-brained! Logic was my specialty in gaining my MA in mathematics, and 
I am VERY detail oriented. I don't think I fit this page very well
Sue 


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Re: [lace-chat] Left or right brain?

[Carol Melton]

Well that was just downright weird!  It kept changing as I would look  
at it. Thanks for sharing the link.  I am going to forward it to my  
artsy friends.  In other right/left brain tests I score around 70 -  
75 % right brained.  My husband on the other hand, scores 98% left  
brained.  When I get him into one of my art projects it is amazing  
what he does with his 2% though.


By the way, being left or right handed has nothing to do with  
whether  you are predominately left or right brained.  There are many  
many wonderful artists who are right handed but are able to access  
the right side of their brain - the right side is the artsy side, the  
left side the logical side.  If you are interested in the subject,  
Betty Edwards has written a couple of books on how to access the  
right side of the brain - "Drawing On The Right Side of the  
Brain" ( I and II editions)  and "Drawing on the Artist Within".



Carol Melton
Valley of the Sun
Phoenix,

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Re: [lace-chat] Left or right brain?

[Alice Howell]

--- Sue Babbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have not a clue how you make the figure look as if
> it is going anti-clockwise.

I thought it strange that the direction would change
when I scrolled down so I could not see her feet. 
When I scrolled up, she changed back.  After a bit, I
could make her change by focusing on the edge of the
picture instead of directly on her.  Our minds apply
the depth to this flat picture, and that's what makes
it appear one direction or the other.

I'm a bit ambidextrous 

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Re: [lace-chat] Left or right brain?

[Lorri Ferguson]

I could only see it going clock wise, but did not agree with their lists.
I found more on the left brain list that fit me.
Maybe I am more like my daughter who as a child did not have a dominate side
in her brain, she is (and always was) definitely left handed.  Boy did she
have trouble in school!!

Lorri



  YikesIt keeps alternating on me.  First one way,
  then the other.  And back again.  Does that mean that
  my mind can't decide what it's doing

  Alice in Oregon -- with 2-3 dry days before the next
  series of storms.



  --- Tamara P Duvall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  > This popped up on on of the "lefty blogs" I read
  > (it's not serious
  > politics all the time, y'know ). Interesting...
  > From the way I see
  > the figure moving (and I ain't tellin' and spoiling
  > your own test), it
  > means I'm right-brain dominant. Not detail-oriented,
  > among other things
  > (though, apparently, more likely to "get it" )...
  > Not detail
  > oriented??? I think I should quit making lace
  > forthwith :)
  >
  >
  http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22556281-661,00.html
  > --

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Fwd: [lace-chat] Left or Right? VERY LONG

[Tamara P. Duvall]

I've forwarded some of the left/right bits to Robin (who's not on chat) 
and here's her contribution:

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Panza, Robin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sidedness is something that fascinates me, and I've got some comments 
to add
to the mix.  I'm strongly left-handed and left-footed, but have very 
little
eye or ear dominance.

1.  I've heard of this right-turn phenomenon before.  It's supposedly 
why
fine jewelry is generally put to the right as you enter a store at a
cosmetic counter (at least in the US).  Those who bypass the make-up 
find
themselves in the gold watches, where maybe they'll make an impulse
purchase.  However, that seems to be breaking down--fewer stores seem 
to use
the traditional layout.  If direction of turning is related to 
handedness,
lefties will go opposite righties.  Personally, I find I go right and 
pass
counterclockwise around objects despite my left-handedness.  If it's 
based
on training (like which side of the road gets driven on in your 
country),
you'd find a national correlation.  I've even heard it suggested that 
it's
due to the earth's rotation, like water spiralling down the bathtub 
drain.
In that case, Ozzies and Africans should do the opposite.  We could 
take a
survey.  Everybody watch yourselves--which way do you turn to get 
around an
obstacle?  Which side is dominant for you?  And what country do you come
from (and which side do they drive on)?

2.  There are apparently three kinds of lefties.  I've read a number of
studies in which they take handedness into account.  The papers all say
that, among righthanders, they found a consistent pattern.  However, 
there
were three kinds of response from left-handers;  roughly 1/3 did the
opposite, 1/3 did the same, and 1/3 did something equivocal or 
intermediate
or were inconsistent.  For example, when asked a rhetorical question,
righties looked in the same direction (don't remember which), 1/3 of 
lefties
looked the same direction as righties, 1/3 looked the opposite 
direction,
and 1/3 looked somewhere altogether different (like up or down) or 
looked a
different direction each question.  Since there are always fewer 
lefties in
a study, there was never statistical significance to the left-handed
responses and the researchers threw up their hands.

3.  In studies of brain sidedness, some lefties have the same 
organization
as righties (e.g., the speech center is on the "normal" side) and some 
have
specialized brain centers reversed (probably the case for Mikki--her 
brain
is "in backwards").  Some of those with "normal" organization apparently
were oxygen-starved in very late pregnancy or during delivery (from
complications).  The theory is that the starvation prevented the left
hemisphere from taking dominance at birth, so the right hemisphere 
stepped
in.  That's three kinds of lefties--backwards brains, oxygen-starved 
brains,
and nobody-knows-why brains.  Most papers discussing the causes of
left-handedness refuse to consider the possibility that there are 3 
distinct
kinds of lefties, which probably have 3 different causes, and so they 
don't
find a pattern--one will argue it can't be oxygen-starvation, because 
2/3 of
subjects didn't have that problem, another will argue it isn't backwards
brains, because 2/3 of the subjects don't have that, and so forth.

4.  Lefthandedness is not all-or-nothing, even without contrary 
training.
There's what hand you *naturally* use for eating, writing, tools, etc.
(which may or may not get trained out of somebody); which foot you lead 
with
in walking and jumping, which ear or eye your brain gives priority to 
when
they are sending conflicting information.  There are also subtle things 
like
which hand is "on top" when using a broom, or which way your eyes turn 
when
you ponder something, and so on.  Totally left-dominance in all 
criteria is
apparently rare; most left-handers do at least some tasks the same as
right-handers or ambiguously, and some right-handers do a few things
left-wise.  That makes it even harder to establish cause of handedness.

5.  Another interesting thing is looking at frequency of 
left-handedness.
In developed countries of today, it's consistently 10-15 percent.  In
remote, primitive cultures, it's the same.  Looking at artworks going 
back
through the Middle Ages into ancient Egypt, it's consistently 10-15 
percent.
In cultures where handedness is not an issue, it's 10-15%.  In cultures
where lefties are stoned to death, it's 10-15%.  In cultures where 
they're
considered highly honored, blessed by gods, it's 10-15%.  In cultures 
where
writing is important (since word recognition is on one side of the 
brain),
and in cultures with no writing, or with non-linear communication, it's
still 10-15%.  There doesn't seem to be any way to select for or against
lefties, they still make up about 10-15% of humans.  This means there 
may
not be an underlying genetic cause (despite the fact that handedness 
runs in
families), or the gene

[lace-chat] Left or right brain?male or female brain?

[Jean Nathan]

The post I sent this morning seems to have got lost in the ether. Here it is
repeated with typos corrected :-)

BBC1 TV is running a series this week on whether you have a male or female
brain - that doesn't mean you are male or female. The theory behind it is
that the way your brain works depends on the amount of testosterone you were
subjected to as an embryo in the womb at a certain point of development.
They
say that generally men use one side of the brain, but the two sides of the
brain in women can comunicate with each other so they use areas not used by
men.

The results of experiements carried out this week are shown, which so far
uphold the male/female brain regardless of sex theory. There's an online
test as well at:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/theoneshow/article/2007/10/mm_brainsex.shtml

The average performances for people taking the test on a scale of 0-100 each
side of male and female, men have so far come out 50 towards male and women
50 towards female. I came in at 25 towards male, and both my ring fingers
are longer then my index fingers. If the fingers are the same length, that's
counted as female.

Fun to do, but don't take it too seriously. I suspect the online test will
be removed from the web site over the weekend because the programme will go
on to another topic next week.

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK

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[lace-chat] Left or right brain?male or female brain?

[Jean Nathan]

The post I sent this morning seems to have got lost in the ether. Here it is 
repeated with typos corrected :-)


BBC1 TV is running a series this week on whether you have a male or female
brain - that doesn't mean you are male or female. The theory behind it is
that the way your brain works depends on the amount of testosterone you were
subjected to as an embryo in the womb at a certain point of development. 
They

say that generally men use one side of the brain, but the two sides of the
brain in women can comunicate with each other so they use areas not used by
men.

The results of experiements carried out this week are shown, which so far
uphold the male/female brain regardless of sex theory. There's an online
test as well at:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/theoneshow/article/2007/10/mm_brainsex.shtml

The average performances for people taking the test on a scale of 0-100 each
side of male and female, men have so far come out 50 towards male and women
50 towards female. I came in at 25 towards male, and both my ring fingers
are longer then my index fingers. If the fingers are the same length, that's
counted as female.

Fun to do, but don't take it too seriously. I suspect the online test will
be removed from the web site over the weekend because the programme will go
on to another topic next week.

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK

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[lace-chat] Left or right brain?male or female brain?

[Jean Nathan]

The test might have been taken off the web site by now because the result of 
all those who took it was given in the programme last night. Pity it took so 
long for my post to get through to Arachne. The original was sent at around 
9 am yesterday morning, but hadn't appeared on my computer by 6 pm. Wasn;t 
on the archive either. The second post appeared later twice.


The final result was that approximately 1 in 4 women show traits of a male 
brain and 1 in 4 men female.


The final test was a room with several objects in it which they looked at 
for 60 seconds. Then some were moved and they had to say which. This was the 
only test where women were better at it than men regardless of whether their 
brain leant towards male or female. Apparently women are better at finding 
things than men - "that's why women can find their husband's socks when he 
can't" "But women put the socks away!!!" Guess who said that last statement.


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK

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Re: [lace-chat] Left or right brain?male or female brain?

[Brenda Paternoster]

I came in at 25 towards female - and I could make Tamara's dancer spin 
both ways.


Brenda

On 12 Oct 2007, at 18:39, Jean Nathan wrote:



The results of experiements carried out this week are shown, which so 
far
uphold the male/female brain regardless of sex theory. There's an 
online

test as well at:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/theoneshow/article/2007/10/mm_brainsex.shtml

The average performances for people taking the test on a scale of 
0-100 each
side of male and female, men have so far come out 50 towards male and 
women

50 towards female. I came in at 25 towards male,


Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
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Re: [lace-chat] Left or right brain?male or female brain?

[Barron]

I came in at 50 towards female 
jenny barron
NE Scotland


>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/theoneshow/article/2007/10/mm_brainsex.shtml
>
> The
average performances for people taking the test on a scale of 
> 0-100 each
>
side of male and female, men have so far come out 50 towards male and 
> women
> 50 towards female. I came in at 25 towards male,

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