Re: [Ldsoss] Mormons on Open Source
Of course Jesse Stay is a pillar of the LDSOSS community. Tom On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Cathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm assuming you all have seen the CNet article? http://www.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9905321-16.html They mention this group. It's great to see this type of publicity. --Cathy Malmrose, Linux hardware builder ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 Love as much as you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, at all the places you can, during all the times you can, for as many people as you can, for as long as you can. -Kevin Williams, a modification of John Wesley ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
[Ldsoss] Linux, newFamilySearch, and life
Been quiet lately. I ordered my second set of Ubuntu disks in December. The last time I tried Linux was two years ago. I figure its about time for Linux to have another go at making me happy. But with my AirLink wireless cards, I'm not sure Ubuntu has much of a chance. Maybe I'll make the first go using one of my laptops or my work computer. I'm a little excited for the disks to arrive. Bishopric read an ambiguious letter about newFamilySearch in sacrament meeting Sunday. Sounded like basically an annoucement that something new is coming soon. I sure hope they fixed it to handle sources and media files. I told my extended family I planned on moving from phpGedView to newFamilySearch, but I won't be able to do it if they don't take sources. I voted for Ron Paul last night by mail. At least I don't have to wait to see if my candidate wins! :-D :-D :-D But I have the peace of having found somebody at least a little more Consistent Life compliant than the more popular of both parties. -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 Observe. Listen. Let go. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
[Ldsoss] new.familysearch.org
new.Familysearch.org is coming online in Mesa Saturday. Should be interesting. Has anybody learned whether PAF style source importing and media linking (even off-site) is in the works or already online? Also, rumor has it that you can't reverse a Combine operation; can somebody enlighten regarding that? I haven't heard a thing from this list in months. If that's a problem on my end, would somebody please email me [EMAIL PROTECTED] to let me know I need to fix something? Tom -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 Love as much as you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, at all the places you can, during all the times you can, for as many people as you can, for as long as you can. -Kevin Williams, a modification of John Wesley ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] New list location
I'm perfectly okay with Yahoo. And I assume Google likewise. -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 Love as much as you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, at all the places you can, during all the times you can, for as many people as you can, for as long as you can. -Kevin Williams, a modification of John Wesley ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Script to download conference mp3s....
Should you add these tools to LDSoss wiki? On 8/19/07, m h [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My wife recently asked for all the recent conference mp3s, so I whipped out a little script to do that in python. You point it at a lds.org conference url and it will pull all the individual talks (skipping the complete session ones) into a specified directory. I thought I'd share it in case anyone cared. enjoy, matt ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 Have a beautiful day. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Alternate way of searching genealogy...
I'm a civil engineer. What we often call GPS is officially geographic coordinates or latitude and longitude. GPS is more correctly the satellite system that allows real-time, map-free positioning. GIS (geographic information system) is a database that has coordinates on everything. Two ways to get the geographic coordinates (lat and lon) for an event are: 1. Manually determine where the event fits on a modern map or aerial photo (Google Maps) and pick off the coordinates. 2. Lookup the location identifiers (zip code, address, point of interest) in a geo-coded database, or GIS. Latitude and longitude are by definition stable across time with 0 degrees longitude running through Greenwich, England. The difference between the two canonical precise datums, NAD27 and NAD83/WGS 84 is insignificant for genealogy work. BOTTOM LINE: I don't know if old systems like the censuses and old town names have been geocoded by date into GISes. But putting latitude and longitude into genealogical event data would be a wise move. Tom ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Alternate way of searching genealogy...
Yes. And for modern work, you would simply always geocode to NAD83/WGS84 using Google Maps or topozone.com. You would just avoid NAD27. Tom On 8/20/07, Russell Hltn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/20/07, Thomas Haws [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The difference between the two canonical precise datums, NAD27 and NAD83/WGS 84 is insignificant for genealogy work. In my area, it's enough to throw off the immediate neighbors. However, if you know which one you have, it's straightforward to translate to the other. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 Have a beautiful day. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Re: HT and VT Tool
Whatever happened to resist not evil? :-D On 5/22/07, Shawn Willden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 22 May 2007 02:52:47 pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think you could guess anyone's confirmation date with any degree of success regardless of if they were BIC or not. Sure you can. It just depends on how many tries you get. Give me, say, 50 attempts and I'll bet it's a very rare BIC person whose confirmation date I can't guess. In years past when confirmations were normally done on Sundays (and especially on first Sundays!) it was even easier. I don't know if the church web site does any counting of failed attempts and locks out members who have too many, but it wouldn't surprise me if there is no such checking. Shawn. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 Have a beautiful day. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] VOIP Service providers ... which one?
They've been saying here Vonage is out. -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 Have a beautiful day. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] PHP remote development environment
Well, as I mentioned on this list, I'm hiring an on-call professional consultant to mentor and assist with these things. Perhaps I could have him/her get me set up with SVN. My application is already being used by the executives at my non-profit, so breaking it is not a happy thought. I will work on getting a dev directory and maybe a dev database set up. Thanks for the great reminders and suggestions! Tom On 5/1/07, Bryan Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/1/07, Mary Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, You might like to do your development/testing online in a separate directory (or virtual host, if you can). This is mostly for after you've released something that is being used. It's a safer way to develop - you won't have to worry what you break when you save a file that might contain a syntax error. Then, get into the habit of copying data into the live directory from your development/testing area(s), or use CVS for revision control. I would say _and_ use CVS, not _or_. If you aren't using revision control already, you really should, you'll love it. Actually, I wouldn't say use CVS, I'd say use SVN (Subversion), or even better, one of the new distributed revision control systems. Bazaar (bzr) works best on windoze right now, I think. They are a lot easier to get up and running with. An example with bzr (it's a command-line thing only right now) cd c:\path\to\project bzr init bzr add bzr commit -m initial import Now you are ready to make changes to your code. bzr diff will show you what you've changed. bzr commit will commit the changes to the revision history. If you really mess up, you can go back and get previous revisions. Bryan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 Have a beautiful day. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] PHP remote development environment
vi, Zend, XAMPP, nano, and rsync--Yikes! I really need to do this right. I'm going to think about all this and bring up some follow-up questions later. Thanks. Tom -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 Have a beautiful day. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
[Ldsoss] PHP remote development environment
I need to get more serious about my PHP (LAMP) development. I have been developing remotely for my web sites (including the Care For Life charity) via the CPanel web editor using the Mozex Firefox extension to send textarea to my local Windows editor. The debug/test cycle is agonizing and dangerous. I think I probably inadvertently closed a browser tab the other day and lost plenty of effort. So, I wonder if this group has wisdom regarding the direction for me to go? Here are some possibilities I have considered: 1. Use vi in the Linux shell. Do I have to? My dad is pushing me that way, but he says it takes months to learn vi right. 2. Install a local development environment. I don't know what this would involve, but I like to be able to access my development environment from anywhere. 3. Some other (???) linux shell editor or environment. Thanks beforehand for your help. -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 Have a beautiful day. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Some things you guys might be interested in
Scott,
Can you tell us how to implement your script?
Tom
On 4/10/07, Scott Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd like to see something like that.
Speaking of coding, I've updated my greasemonkey script to include
SkypeOut links next to the phone numbers. Skype users let me know how
it works for you.
http://scott.barberfam.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/spicywardweb.user.js
Thanks,
Scott Barber
On 4/10/07, Jesse Stay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 4/10/07, Paul Penrod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To change things up a bit. Ran into a couple of interesting articles
on Firefox extensions that may be of value:
20 must-have Firefox extensions
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarticleId=9011975
Top 10 Firefox extensions to avoid
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarticleId=9015599
We should add a Firefox and Greasemonkey Scripts and Extensions page
to the ldsoss wiki. This may be a good way to encourage others to
contribute their own LDS focused extensions and scripts. My cousin
and I have often contemplated writing some good scripture marking
tools in greasemonkey for the lds.org scripture pages. I'm sure there
are many other tools that could be written.
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Re: Ldsoss Digest, Vol 39, Issue 5
the poster of that section has removed the list of religions I think that is much more NPOV and leaves it up to the reader to decide who that is. This hurts to read. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and aspires to present all human knowledge. Less is not more at Wikipedia, and the Wikipedia policy documents make it clear that bias avoidance is most often achieved by taking pains to *include* all relevant points of view. So, subject to the [[WP:NOR]] No Original Research rule, the article would be deemed by the Wikipedia community to be improved by *including* more documented, attributed opinions of experts. I am sorry to hear (unless it was solely original research and unattributable) that the problem has been solved by deletion. The most appropriate place to get the assistance of Latter-day Saints about specific Wikipedia articles would be at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Latter_Day_Saint_movement Click on Edit and leave a request for help. -- Tom Haws Have a beautiful day. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Re: wikipedia becoming anti-mormon?
As far as the Nicene Creed goes, and flexibility of interpretation, its interpretation is certainly flexible enough to put our church in gross violation. This is especially true from the POV of numerous traditional Christians and it is explicitly not a violation of the NPOV to mention that fact. Indeed. See [[Mormonism and Christianity]], for example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Christianity (You know you are a wikiholic, or once were, when you can type article URLs extemporaneously.) :-) Tom ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Re: wikipedia becoming anti-mormon?
Be sure to mention what you did at the LDS project
[[WP:LDS]]
On 4/4/07, Jesse Stay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 4/1/07, Jesse Stay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One other example is the topic Arianism. Mormons are listed as
supporters of Arius on wikipedia. If you think we actually are, I
highly suggest you research what Arius actually taught, as I really
don't think we want ourselves in that category. Were he to preach
today I'm pretty sure we too would see him as a heretic as the early
Christians did. I tried to remove us myself from there, even
including strong evidences and references as to why we shouldn't be
included, but it promptly got put back in, with no good reference as
to why we're included.
I have stated my point against Mormons supporting Arius here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Arianism#Mormons_Support_Arius.3F
I have also removed Mormons from the list under:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism#.22Arian.22_as_a_polemical_epithet
Any support and help from those on the list in keeping it the way it
is now will be very appreciated. The last time it was put back with
no reason why.
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] Re: wikipedia becoming anti-mormon?
What would be the proper forum on which to debate such doctinal questions? Should it be moderated? Is it a problem that none of the participants are authorized to speak for the Church? The Wikipedia answer (yes, there is an answer), is to cite authorities and experts, and if there is significant disagreement on a subject, be sure to cite all sides fairly and sympathetically. Regarding the specific passage in question here, an applicable official Wikipedia policy might be No original research [[WP:NOR]]. In other words, if no scholarly or ecclesiastical source can be found that discusses the idea, you have good backing to request that the article not go there. Simply cite [[WP:NOR]] (after reading it, of course) and say, Cite your sources, or please leave it out. There are so many facts (citations of existing sources) to be added to Wikipedia that there is really no time to be arguing for interesting original conclusions. -- Tom Haws Have a beautiful day. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Re: Ldsoss Digest, Vol 39, Issue 1
Stephen said, Why has *neutral* become good? and Criticizing things...is...[now called] progressive. I appreciate the concern behind these expressions, Stephen. I think you are spot on in your values, and perhaps the aim of Wikipedia has simply been misrepresented or poorly represented to you. The absolute and non-negotiable policy of Wikipedia is not immediately and intuitively easy to grok. Even regular editors with months of experience there can fail to grasp fully the policy. And probably even the most experienced editors sometimes fail to implement it properly. The policy is thou shalt write without bias. One facet of it is thou shalt not be snide, condescending, or critical in tone. Another facet of it is thou shalt aspire to practice wikilove and assume good faith. These are lofty principles, I hope you'll agree. If you or any of us find an article in the LDS area of Wikipedia stained by a critical, snide, or condescending tone, or if we find false reporting, we may work to correct it. What we can't do is work to see that Wikipedia advocates our position or suppresses the position of another significant and sincere group. I think if you will read and ponder carefully the Wikipedia policy and explanations you will appreciate their wisdom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV_tutorial -- Tom Haws Have a beautiful day. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] wikipedia becoming anti-mormon?
You also may not be aware there is a robust and active Wikiproject
Latter Day Saint Movement that has many LDS members and watches over
the LDS area of Wikipedia and can always use more help.
It's here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:LDS
Tom
On 4/3/07, Jesse Stay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 4/3/07, Shawn Willden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think that's an excellent idea, and would probably be very well-received by
those who are interested in NPOV and clear exposition of the known facts.
Those whose agenda is to confuse wouldn't like it, but they'd have a hard
time arguing against it.
Shawn.
This would be a great use for the LDSOSS wiki - specify topics on
wikipedia that need to be worked on, and who is watching them and
volunteering to work on them. As new topics are discovered we can add
them to the LDSOSS wiki.
Again, I want to specify (since this is archived), we still need to
remain objective. It's important that *all* references are specified,
not just one side of the story. I really like the way fairwiki does
it - while still a little biased towards our faith, they state the
issues argued against us, and what sources those issues are based on,
and then the sources stating otherwise or supporting the Church's
opinion (or facts). IMO, wikipedia should be just as informative on
both sides of the fence as fairwiki, if not more.
Jesse
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Re: [Ldsoss] wikipedia becoming anti-mormon?
I have a lot of Wikipedia experience, particularly in the LDS area, and I have system administrator privileges there. I know at least one other participant on this list is an experienced Wikipedian. The Wikipedia community stalwarts are fiercely committed to a non-negotiable policy of non-bias. The non-bias policy states that all significant points of view must be represented appropriately and that when any point of view is represented, it must be done with a sympathetic tone. The best way to improve Wikipedia is to present all information of interest with source citations as though you were explaining to your teenage kid all the diversity of opinion and information in the world regarding the First Vision. For the First Vision article, it would be appropriate to include a statement that in the LDS Church the 1838 account of the vision is canonical. Tom ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Re: Ldsoss Digest, Vol 39, Issue 1
Excellent Wikipedia primer, Bill. Do you also agree with the following? Therefore, you will read things like Joseph Smith claimed to have a vision ... A faithful LDS person would rather read Joseph Smith had a vision. However, that would not be permitted. It works the other way as well: Cirtics claim ... when anti-Mormons would probably want things like that stated as facts. The only improvement to this, using the idea of sympathetic tone, would be to use the word said Joseph Smith said he had a vision ... Critics say ... Any visitor can, with judgement and skill, make small changes that bring tone more into neutrality. -- Tom Haws Have a beautiful day. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] One Laptop Per Child
That may be cramped however if these laptops aren't similar enough to normal computers, since a significant amount of learning and practice with these wouldn't carry over to the real world of computers. From another perspective, however, these aren't so much for learning about computers as they are a cheap and vast combination textbook/library/lab tool/etc. Tom ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] One Laptop Per Child
Shawn, you remind me of an excellent quote from a Russian at Slashdot. He says back in the olden days the only computers they could get in Russia were gifts from the American People, and they didn't always come with good documentation or training, and they were left to their wits. Some of them learned programming via source code that was included with some programs, even knowing little English. Overall, he says they would have been at a great loss if somebody had decided not to send the computers because there was no budget for training and maintenance. Sometimes you just gotta have a little faith and do the right thing, and some kids somwhere will be blessed. -- Tom Haws Have a beautiful day. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] One Laptop Per Child
I'm sure if the church offered to buy a million, OLPC would sell. Do you think the LDS Foundation or the church could do that? They won't be shipping for another year. Tom On 1/5/07, Jesse Stay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if the Church could help with these laptops. If a religious organization were to purchase some and hand them out I wonder if they would be more likely to get to their intended destinations with appropriate training. Are they selling these only to governmental organizations or have they approached charitable ones as well? Jesse -- Tom Haws Have a beautiful day. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] New FamilySearch UI Recommendations
Dear LDS Open Source Software list and Haws Genealogy list, Excellent words below, Frank. I'm 40. Based on the discussion at a Haws family genealogy meeting yesterday (Thanksgiving Day), I have the following thoughts to share: phpGedView provides much of what we would like to eventually see at a church site. We foresee a day when we would move our central family tree work to a church sponsored site. But for that day to arrive, we would want to see the following elements in place: -A new identity linked database (as is in development) where 15 submitted instances of Parley P. Pratt can be linked as the same identity while keeping their respective research integrities as individual GEDCOMs. (A very nice possible feature for this would be the ability for users or the software to judge the quality of the respective instances or GEDCOMs.) -Full preservation of sources, notes, and miscellaneous GEDCOM tags -Full preservation of multimedia references (files on disk outside of GEDCOM) and provision of multimedia upload space. -Online account registration, direct database editing, and a phpGedview-like spectrum of GEDCOM (family tree) privileges (administer, accept edits, edit, view) including relationship-based privacy for large GEDCOMs. -GEDCOM import and export functions In short, we would hope the church would provide something that looks very much like an identity-linked version of a phpGedView hosting service. -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 Have a nice day. On 11/22/06, Frank Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gordon Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gordon, I have been volunteering for several years at the Ogden Regional Family History Center. We see all types of patrons who use the FS website regularly. One of the dichotomies of getting programmers for working on genealogy programs is that most of them are young, under 40 - many under 30, and although they are very good programmers they know nearly nothing about actually doing genealogy. Most have never used PAF for example, or the FS site. On the other hand we have older people, over 40, who are very experienced in all the different programs to get their work done but they know nothing about the inner workings of the programs themselves. What is needed is a combination of the two. Since it's probably not possible for an older experienced genealogist to learn programming, it's best to find younger hot-shot programmers who have been doing their own genealogy for some time. Our patrons regularly use PAF, PAF Insight, Legacy, FamilySearch, the old DOS version of Family Search, TempleReady, Ancestry.com, RootsWeb, besides various utilities such as GenViewer and FamilySearcher. Often they will use most of these in the same session. Someone here wrote that what is needed is a game-type program that would lure the user to do genealogy. If a person hates the work so much then nothing will lure them in no matter how exciting. Those who finally get converted to the work want programs that work well and will do what they are supposed to do. A reasonably attractive UI is sufficient but with an easy flow of logic to the steps and commands. Because the majority of people who actually do genealogy are a little older they suffer from vision problems. This makes larger text very high on their wish lists. We often set our monitors to 800 x 600 to make the text readable. Programmers often use large screens with high resolution to create their work without realizing others won't be using that same equipment. I have been an engineer for many years and my 21 inch monitor is set at 1280 x 1064 but I couldn't ask a patron to look at my screen. Younger programmers are anxious to create a really cool interface without running it past their parents or grandparents. Maybe just good and plain is what is needed. Just my $.02 worth. Best regards, Frank Reid - With six classrooms, a large main room, and 135 computers the Ogden Regional Family History Center is the Church's largest *independent* FHC. Independent because we are not linked to the mainframe but rely on the Internet like everyone else. - ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 Have a nice day. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Elders Quorum Organizer
I wish addresses, phones, emails, and preferred names were synced between lds.org and MLS and traveled the same way. Unfortunately it's quite easy for clerks to loose phone, email, and addresses when moving or requesting records in MLS. Headquarters promised me that they made the coding changes necessary so that e-mail addresses travel with the members. The display unfortunately still doesn't make this obvious (clerk still sees a blank e-mail address on ship-out), but they said the current e-mail does travel. If only they would do the same with phone number, just in case it's a mobile or the member is only moving a few blocks away. You would think the burden of lost members would be great enough this would be a priority. Just a thought. -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 Have a nice day. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge
Sounds good to me, depending on how you look at it. Giving away freely is celestial. Stealing is telestial. Respecting property rights is terrestrial. The world aspires to keep a terrestrial law. On 10/23/06, Steven H. McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess they feel that they are losing money to the internet culture andthat they need to re-educate people that it is wrong to steal.While 30years ago, truly honest people would never have dared photocopy a book (even if it was free and instantaneous), the internet culture has changed thatmindset.This new culture has given us other 'experts' such as Napster,torrents, etc. that make it technologically easy to do what once was considered wrong by the mainstream.I remember church talks telling us that it was wrong to steal cable TV.Theresponse of some was, oh, come on, they're not actually losing money on me,because I wouldn't subscribe anyway and it doesn't really cost them more for just 1 more viewer...It was still stealing even though some had reallycompelling rationalizations...What's interesting about this particular piece is that Hollywood is takingan explain and educate angle rather than a more confrontational intimidate and litigate.That's a noteworthy twist given how much piracycosts Hollywood.If the next generation of net user grows up having learned that it is wrongto copy [not just photocopy], then we may just end up with less litigation and that would be a good thing.Wouldn't it?Steve-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bryan MurdockSent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:51 PMTo: LDS Open Source SoftwareSubject: Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge The movie industry has developed the curriculum.Oh good, an impartial and fair party, experts in law and the constitution.:-PBryan___ Ldsoss mailing listLdsoss@lists.ldsoss.orghttp://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss___ Ldsoss mailing listLdsoss@lists.ldsoss.orghttp://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476Who is your teacher? ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Questions about new scriptures.lds.org
In any case, yours is an important insight, I think.TomOn 10/13/06, Andrew McNabb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 04:44:12PM -0600, Richard K Miller wrote: You might want to leave a comment at www.ldswebguy.com, the blog of LDS.org's project manager.There is also a group blog at www.northtemple.com run by several graphic designers at the Church. (Both are good blogs, by the way.)I thought about that (for www.ldswebguy.com), but I couldn't think where to leave the comment.None of the entries seemed to be relevant.--Andrew McNabbhttp://www.mcnabbs.org/andrew/PGP Fingerprint: 8A17 B57C 6879 1863 DE558012 AB4D 6098 8826 6868 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux)iD8DBQFFMB7zq01gmIgmaGgRAtmLAJ9j6W893oQqyCmkX0xxgTWfYT5Z8wCgo3ddkVtE6L7BLRT9hN/04S+hvuI==8wlw-END PGP SIGNATURE- ___Ldsoss mailing listLdsoss@lists.ldsoss.orghttp://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476Who is your teacher? ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
[Ldsoss] Jay North's Scout Tracker
Jay North pointed out to me that his Scout Tracker is listed on the LDSOSS wiki here: http://ldsoss.org/index.php/Organizational_Assistants His tracker is at Fresh Meat: http://www.freshmeat.net/projects/scouttrackerHe has a Google Group for his tracker, and he appears to have a real project with real users. He was in the process of going to a Windows client for the tracker so that certain aspects could be kept off-line.He told me he is willing to pass the project along.-- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 Who has ever coveted a cloud, a rainbow, or a blue sky? (TH 2006-05-26) ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Software for people who can't use MLS?
Ah, yes. It's all coming back to me now from Mexico. Members don't all meet in nice buildings with clerk's offices, do they? They may just rent a hall. Conditions may not favor the MLS-style setup.Tom On 9/8/06, Slide [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going from second hand information from my brother, from what Iunderstand they don't even have a computer and their clerk/branchpresident/everything office is the size of a broom closet, which makesit hard to have one. Some branches outside the US are still using paper and pen to do their membership and financial tracking, which canbe burdensome and increase the time needed to administer the branchrather than minister TO the branch. As many little quirks as MLS may have that we discuss on this list, some people don't even have MLS touse to support their branch. I was hoping someone on the list mighthave gone through that and come up with a good solution.On 9/8/06, Jay Askren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would think the church would have something worked out.Why doesn't he just call church headquarters and see what everyone else is using? I thought other countries were using the old MIS and FIS. Jay On 9/6/06, Slide [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any software packages anyone could recommend for a branch that can't use MLS? My brother lives in Israel and was recently called to the Branch Presidency. They can't use MLS and would like some way of tracking tithing and other financials to make it easier to generate reports, etc for Tithing Settlement. He will most likely be running on Windows.Thanks, Alex ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.orghttp://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss___Ldsoss mailing listLdsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss-- Tom Haws 480-201-5476Who has ever coveted a cloud, a rainbow, or a blue sky? (TH 2006-05-26) ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Software for people who can't use MLS?
Very much just like Excel, if I may add. My wife didn't utter a word when I switched on her.
since it works just like Excel.
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[Ldsoss] Tom Haws introduction
I'm Tom Haws. I'm 40 years old minus 17 days. I am in mid-life wonder!I'm a civil engineer since 1991 with training and experience in-Flood control studies, analysis and design-Water distribution system study, analysis, and design -Sewer collection system study, analysis, and designeg. http://www.hawsedc.com/techdocs.php I'm registered in the state of Arizona.I'm a lone ranger, untrained programmer with 200+ commercially licensed users and a few GPL web-published projects under my belt. I'm currently much more interested in GPL work and have done a couple of GPL projects for pay and a couple for love. -AutoLISP for AutoCAD. Extensive.-Visual Basic for Applications. Dabbled.-PHP. Growing.eg. http://www.hawsedc.com/gnu/index.phpI would love to be an apprentice to a real programmer. I'm a new disciple of Jesus with a desire not to withhold work for money or withhold money for work (to paraphrase Hugh Nibley). I also newly hope to respect the agency of every human and do or uphold violence to none. If my training or experience may be of assistance to you, please feel free to call on me. I would love to be an apprentice to a real programmer.-- Tom Haws 480-201-5476Who has ever coveted a cloud, a rainbow, or a blue sky? (TH 2006-05-26) ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
If I had to call all sevenof my kids' teachers every couple of weeks to find out how they aredoing in each of their classes then this would be a full-time job in itself.For the teacher, you mean!! Tom HAws ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
[Ldsoss] MLS and e-mails
Does anybody know whom I might contact about the fact that e-mail addresses and phone numbers are not persistent with membership records across wards/moves in MLS?I am finishing an e-mail address drive in my ward, and it is very useful including in cases of folks who leave without a forwarding address. I am able to e-mail them for their new address. But in the case of their showing up at a new ward and getting their membership vacuumed over there, it sails over without phone or e-mail.In 2006, it doesn't seem reasonable to automatically strip phone or e-mail at the time of a move. People are increasingly giving us their mobile numbers, and of course e-mail addresses don't usually change at the time of a move. So I'm hoping I can get this changed in MLS. Tom-- Tom Haws 480-201-5476It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.Voltaire ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] New Member Checklist
Hi, Bill! :-)Forgive me if this is too simple, but would the Export function not work for you? It will put out a file with e-mails, callings, HT/VT assignments, etc. The export is not really in normalized database format, but there's a lot of info there. On 7/30/06, Bill Pringle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been asked by the Stake to look into some way to exportinformation from the unit MLS systems so it can be compiled by the Stake.I tried selecting information on the report so I could do acopy-paste, but had no luck, either from the input form or from the Preview option.Any suggestions on how I can capture this information?It's a shame that there isn't a generalized query mechanism so thatpeople can extract the information they need. :-( ---Bill Pringlework: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.unisysfsp.comhttp://www.unisys.com home/school: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.personal.psu.edu/~wrp103http://CherylWheeler.com ___Ldsoss mailing listLdsoss@lists.ldsoss.orghttp://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476Resist not evil. Turn the other cheek. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] I don't know if this has a software solution or not...
Perhaps it is my Wikipedia background, but I see point of view sorting as highly beneficial to the work of bringing souls to Christ. When a person is yearning to learn the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, a high-quality point of view sorter is invaluable in making sure he gets the complete vista of the matter before making judgement. If I want to know and learn from the greats of days gone by including Joseph Smith, Christopher Columbus, George Washington, Lucy Mack Smith, Ghandi, Tolstoy, etc., I want to be sure that I am not getting my info from the likes of Fawn Brodie alone. But such as Brodie may have a thing or to to teach me along the way if I am humble enough. I say this without having read Brodie herself. I would give nothing but encouragement to those who work on any kind of information sorters in good faith.Love,Tom-- Tom Haws 480-201-5476There is no way to peace.Peace is the way. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Advancement tracker
On 6/23/06, Steven H. McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for databases, what are the database requirements?If the programoperation is to be done at the ward level, then we're probably (depending onthe ward size) talking about 30-150 kids or so.If at the stake, then multiply that by 8 or so.Are those numbers sufficient to warrant adatabase?If so, what type (not brand)?Granted, I'm not a DBA, but isn'ta flat file faster for those numbers?I think that's worth asking. Is the nature of advancement tracking such that it lends itself to 1 portable file per individual, whether that file be flat or xml-ish? Suppose leader is recording participation in a swim activity or hike or meeting, and a kid needs 12 such events to qualify for requirement 6a of the Athlete activity pin. Would it be appropriate to record the event id and date in his data file with the details on the event in the event log file? Would such an approach be something we would regret later? Pros: It's extremely portable, and could be even semi-readable by mere human parents moving out of the area.Cons:It's a proprietary hack.It doesn't seem very elegant.Tom Haws ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Advancement tracker
Wait.Are you thinking that a flat file approach is a hack (and aproprietary one at that?)*And* it's not elegent? Did I say that? :-D . Blame it on my Wikpiedia background, I was arguing for the enemy, or trying to see the issue from all sides. I guess that makes it tough to know where I stand. But getting the right answer is far, far more important than where I happen to stand. Admittedly, an xml file would not be very readable, but there are otherformats that can be used for this (YAML, JSON come immediately to mind) that are human readable and easily understood by both a human and a program.And an individual file would make security very easy to implement--eachuser would have their own password which would be used to individually encrypt the files.I love it. Great ideas!!Tom Haws ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Plone as an example of OSS web app for local Windows deployment
(Alan only)Please tell us about XUL. I'd love to hear about it.TomOn 6/20/06, Alan Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In all this talk, how come no one has mentioned XUL? ___Ldsoss mailing listLdsoss@lists.ldsoss.orghttp://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476OpenOffice.org v. MS Office:Kids love OOo.Wife didn't notice I switched.Get OOo free.There are many causes that I am prepared to die for but no causes that I am prepared to kill for Gandhi ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
[Ldsoss] Advancement tracker
I'd like to think a little more about the first draft requirements of the Advancement Tracker Tom Welch asked about.Suppose one of us or some of us were starting on a shoestring, maybe at the SourceForge site offered. I am wondering, irrespective of the language, and obviously platform agnosticism is essential, what the inital stab at an open source Advancement tracker might want to look like to the end user. Should we start with a Troopmaster clone? Is that what Tom Welch has in mind?Then should we plan for possible connection/synchronization to a central repository a la MLS? And multiple languages and advancement programs? Tom Haws ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Linux and Windows--How wide the divide
So Python, Perl, Apache, JSP, or whatever don't really matter. Our Scout Tracker software just has to be Ubuntu-easy on Linux and Install Shield-easy on Windows. Right?TomOn 6/18/06, Shane Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should clarify that I install only the operating system.The endusers install the applications.Ubuntu makes that easy--easier thanInstallAnywhere, in fact. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Linux and Windows--How wide the divide
Now, David, we don't want to start a war. ;-) I'm sure the people at Microsoft are very nice. And as we say at my work team, Bill Gates is a very handsome man.Love,TomOn 6/19/06, David Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would really appreciate some examples of appalling behavior on behalf ofMicrosoft. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Linux and Windows--How wide the divide
Thank you, Steven, for a wonderfully reverent and insightful essay about the divide I tried less successfully to introduce a few days ago. Shane, I think Plone sounds like a wonderful exampleof how to aim at Windows users. Unfortunately, it appears their download presentation (link trail)is broken. I could not figure out how to find and download the stable (recommended version). Sigh; case in point. Tom ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] I don't know if this has a software solution or not...
I would be interested to hear more about your reaction to the article, in particular about how you conceive the problem that might be addressed with software. My general reaction is that the information age is wonderful, and that from the 23 million pages about Joseph Smith, we are all bound to wind up the wiser and happier. Two software (at least in part) solutions to the internet proliferation of info are Google and Wikipedia. At Google the Web votes on the pages that it likes. At Wikipedia the community presents the whole story. -If you Google Joseph Smith, you get a pretty nice spectrum of links on the first page, including PBS and Wikipedia. Granted, man of the links are unfavorable, but that's, I think, the price you pay for the information age. -At Wikipedia, there is a series of five excellent articles on Joseph Smith. So, yes, I think good software has a role. Good software solutions are not aimed at salvaging the reputation of one man, but rather at making coherent sense of all the information of this age. Beyond what has been done at Google and Wikipedia, I see further knowledge wizards leading closer and closer to strong Artificial Intelligence. And the LDSOSS community could play a role in all this, indeed. Tom On 6/18/06, Steven H. McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if this has a software solution or not..however, this is something to consider (http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,640187366,00.html).Any ideas?Steve___Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.orghttp://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476OpenOffice.org v. MS Office:Kids love OOo.Wife didn't notice I switched.Get OOo free.There are many causes that I am prepared to die for but no causes that I am prepared to kill for Gandhi ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
[Ldsoss] Linux and Windows--How wide the divide
The recent discussion about Troop/Youth advancement tracking and this question about journal writing software for Windows have startlingly refreshed my appreciation that the Linux masses and the Windows masses are truly on different planets. I don't think that the Linux masses truly appreciate, or perhaps even understand, the extent to which Windows users are conditioned to use the computer without mind focus. Windows users really and truly expect as a birthright that we should be able to successfully use our computers to do amazing things even while our brains are half asleep and we are focused on other things. In my programming activities (in the Windows realm), I have slowly come to understand and accept that my programs must be usable: -After a 3-year hiatus -On half my brain (in sleep-deprived, disinterested mode) -With no planning -On a fleeting whim Perl, Apache, and Mediawiki are wonderful. But you have to be honest in asking yourself, Could I get this going in Windows if I were nearly apathetic, nearly focusless, and nearly brain dead? This is no disrespect for any user; people are busy and have other interests and responsibilities. Even the Java Runtime Environment is pushing the limit, I'm afraid. I'm not sure who needs to change. Is focusless operation an entitlement for users, or is user focus an entitlement for authors? But I know the divide is wider than our discussions seem to acknowledge. -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 OpenOffice.org v. MS Office: Kids love OOo. Wife didn't notice I switched. Get OOo free. There are many causes that I am prepared to die for but no causes that I am prepared to kill for Gandhi ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Steven McCown explains in detail what was bothering me about using Perl or Ruby. The reality is that those languages and the average Windows box just don't jive. But Java does. Is there a way to do this using Java? Sorry, but as Steven says, we have to consider the end user. And the end user bought his computer at Dell or Walmart with the default version of Windows pre-installed. -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 OpenOffice.org v. MS Office: Kids love OOo. Wife didn't notice I switched. Get OOo free. There are many causes that I am prepared to die for but no causes that I am prepared to kill for Gandhi ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] New Scriptures Beta Test Site
You do know you can specify in order the font faces you prefer, right? Verdana,Trebuchet,Arial,sans serif Tom -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 OpenOffice.org v. MS Office: Kids love OOo. Wife didn't notice I switched. Get OOo free. There are many causes that I am prepared to die for but no causes that I am prepared to kill for Gandhi ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] New Scriptures Beta Test Site
It goes down the list and uses the first font on the list that it can find. So you put the exact favorite you want first, then proceed forward to more general substitutes in case the first isn't found. Tom On 6/15/06, Tom Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes you can. Does the OS make substitutions before going to the next font in the list? I'm not sure on that point. Tom Thomas Haws wrote: You do know you can specify in order the font faces you prefer, right? Verdana,Trebuchet,Arial,sans serif Tom -- Tom Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] (801) 240-1609 (858) 829-4614 - Cell ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 OpenOffice.org v. MS Office: Kids love OOo. Wife didn't notice I switched. Get OOo free. There are many causes that I am prepared to die for but no causes that I am prepared to kill for Gandhi ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Shane, I'd like to follow up on this: On 6/14/06, Shane Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. The installer will put the web app in the Program Files directory and a shortcut will be added to the menu and desktop. The shortcut will both launch the web app and launch the user's browser once the web app has started. It's not hard to do. An icon in the system tray will indicate the web app is running and give the user the opportunity to stop it. So when I open my browser and view source for a given page, I will see form action= what? Expanding my mind here, what are the known species of form action scripts, and which are most amenable to Windows deployment? PHP CGI ASP JSP And last of all, am I even asking the right question? I am assuming we are talking about a web browser application. -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 OpenOffice.org v. MS Office: Kids love OOo. Wife didn't notice I switched. Get OOo free. There are many causes that I am prepared to die for but no causes that I am prepared to kill for Gandhi ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
This is very intriguing. Can you point to an example we might install and try? If I understand right, you are saying I can run it on my desktop for my troop, or I can run it at a web server for my troop or for the entire council or church? -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 OpenOffice.org v. MS Office: Kids love OOo. Wife didn't notice I switched. Get OOo free. There are many causes that I am prepared to die for but no causes that I am prepared to kill for Gandhi ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] commuting
I'm sure thankful the church and the LDSOSS community have the suggestions and good ideas of Ed, Manfred, Shane, Paul, and all the others. We are going to do great! Tom Haws ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Let me formally introduce myself...
Tom Welch,Your message highlights the great truth that spirituality is not separable from our work as developers. We cannot rise to the pinnacle of our technical capabilities without developing in parallel our socio-psycho-spiritual maturity as individuals and as a community. Jimbo Wales, founder of Wikipedia, courageously inserts this idea of spirituality into interviews as a matter of habit by explaining matter of factly that the real issue on which Wikipedia rises or falls is Love--love for the world and love for the individuals in the community. There was not long ago a great example of such a self-moderating LDS forum where serious (?) work was done in an atmosphere of spiritual maturity. On the SAMU-L (Scriptural Antiquities and Mormonism--Uncontentious) mailing list in the 1990s the tone was one of peace, forebearance, and reverence. So it can be done with commitment. Perhaps the parameter Uncontentious in the title was key; sometimes we need a little reminder. Thank you for sharing a wonderful introduction to yourself and a wonderful vision for a new relationship between the LDS Church and the LDS software development community through FLOSS ideals. May we rise to the vision. -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476OpenOffice.org v. MS Office:Kids love OOo.Wife didn't notice I switched.Get OOo free.There are many causes that I am prepared to die for but no causes that I am prepared to kill for Gandhi ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
This is interesting to me, though I don't know I have the skills needed to help much unless it's LAMP.If the church were to sponsor an Open Source project, would it be likely a good idea to have it web-browser-based with the church sponsoring a main installation, kind of like phpGedView and John Finlay's pgvhosting.net?Tom HawsOn 6/6/06, Slide [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I would definitely be interested in helping on an open source project. It might not intercept my Ward's current need, but it might in thefuture and it will help other units out. What would be great is if youcould also have a plug-in type system for working with the variousreligious awards as well (Duty to God for LDS) which would then allow other Scouting groups to take advantage of it without tying it to justLDS Scouting./two_centsAlexOn 6/6/06, Bryan Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/6/06, Tom Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used TroopMaster in the past and it did not require me to purchase a new license each year.However that was about 3 years ago and they may have changed their pricing plan.The biggest problem that I had with TroopMaster was that it is not easy to share with the next scout master that comes into the calling. At the Church we are looking at sponsoring an open source project around scouting.Any interested people that would like to work on such a program? I'm interested.When I was scoutmaster the complete lack of a decent free application really bothered me.It shouldn't be that hard.In fact, I have the embarrassing little beginnings of a desktop scout tracking application here: http://ctm.sourceforge.net/ Mostly vaporware.I was too busy as scoutmaster to work on it, and now that I'm doing something else I sadly haven't had enough motivation to do much with it in a long while.I really think anything done needs to allow easy collaboration between scoutmaster, assistant scoutmaster, committee chair, even boys and their parents. That's where existing scout tracking software really fails.I searched high and low and there isn't much out there, especially open source.Here's the most active open source project: http://www.jaynorth.net/?view=scouttracker I believe the author has posted to this list before. Also along these lines has anyone see what the BSA is doing with this: https://scoutnet.scouting.org/iadv/UI/Home/ I haven't tracked down my ward's unit ID yet, so I haven't been able to check it out. There is another project that does most of what I figured an online scout tracking application should do here: http://etrailtoeagle.com I don't like that it's not free or open source though. Bryan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss___Ldsoss mailing listLdsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss-- Tom Haws 480-201-5476OpenOffice.org v. MS Office:Kids love OOo.Wife didn't notice I switched.Get OOo free. There are many causes that I am prepared to die for but no causes that I am prepared to kill for Gandhi ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Wholesome Entertainment: Froggies!
You might e-mail my wife. http://www.happyhavengraphics.com username: cactus pw: blooms e m haws at juno dot com On 3/23/06, Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I whipped up a prototype froggy theme for NathanCheckers. Are there any artists out there who'd want to contribute some froggy art? Take a peek at: http://stocksfam.com/checkers/ ~ Nathan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 Try OpenOffice for free. I'll send you a CD. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
