[Leaf-devel] I'm dangerous now...
Finally installed Debian 2.1 to a VMWare partition and got it up and running. The 2.4.0 tarball is ftp'ing over right now :-) -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Submit LEAF site to web directories?
From: Jack Coates [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:10:58 Mike Noyes wrote: Everyone, I think we are ready to list the project on some web directories. Should we submit our site to the Open Directory Project (http://dmoz.org/about.html)? Should it go in: Computers Software Operating Systems Linux Projects Firewall or another category? LRP is listed in: Computers Software Operating Systems Linux Networking Opinions suggestions? I think networking rather than firewall -- even though many people use it for a home firewall, the LEAF developer mindset seems to be aiming for enterprise routing. your right, but home firewalls is the prime target for leaf, isn't it? I believe, the ones who have more to gain are the enterprises that use such routing systems as LEAF, but as the average internet user begins to be aware of that thing called internet security, most already have software like McFee and BlackICE (so called firewalls), so it might be a good idea to include it on both directories. but that depends on strategy, you guys might not want to label LEAF as a 'simple home firewall kit' I don't either. as always MHO pedro -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] New Individual Developer Content FAQ
x-flowedAt 10:04 AM 1/25/01 -0600, "Charles Steinkuehler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just finished placing Charles's rsync instructions, and my manual directions in a FAQ. Please review it for errors. Thanks. https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2633group_id=13751 Looks good. I added a blurb about the --delete switch, useful when updating content, and fixed the missing options as above, which disappeared since the document is HTML (replaced with lt;gt;). Charles, Thanks for taking a look at it, and fixing things. I just fixed the incorrect symlink syntax for ln in it. -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel /x-flowed
Re: [Leaf-devel] Submit LEAF site to web directories?
x-flowedAt 09:28 AM 1/26/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:15:45AM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled: At 08:48 PM 1/25/01 -0800, Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think networking rather than firewall -- even though many people use it for a home firewall, the LEAF developer mindset seems to be aiming for enterprise routing. but that depends on strategy, you guys might not want to label LEAF as a 'simple home firewall kit' I don't either. Jack Pedro, Do we have a problem with the project description that needs to be fixed? Well, one might always factor in the name, Linux Embedded Appliance Firewall... Rick, Along that line of thinking, should LEAF go in: Computers Software Operating Systems Linux Embedded However, can we be listed both places? It's not supposed to be, but LRP is listed in multiple catagories. If LEAF: http://leaf.sourceforge.net couldn't get listed in both, there'd prolly be no objection to LEAF Firewall software: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/firewalls/ and LEAF Netutils: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/netutils/ getting listed; then we put pages there describing LEAF stuff that can be used as firewalls and networking utils... If we're going to do this I'd prefer to see: LEAF: http://leaf.sourceforge.net EigerStein: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/cstein Oxygen: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ddouthitt At 07:43 AM 1/26/01 -0600, David Douthitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Computers Software Operating Systems Linux Projects Firewall or another category? LRP is listed in: Computers Software Operating Systems Linux Networking I lean towards the latter - or at least not putting it in "Firewall" as LEAF is much more flexible than that. Certainly I don't use it just as a firewall :-) Point taken David. :) What do you think about the embedded suggestion above? -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel /x-flowed
Re: [Leaf-devel] PCMCIA mailing list
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 07:57:51PM -0800, Mike Noyes scribbled: Rick, Ok, if there are no objections I'll create the list tomorrow. Thankx. That's fine, I'll admin it. Do you want the list to act the same way this one does? That would be fine...this one seems to have good enough behaviour. My main preference is just the reply-to munging, which this list has turned on, which I like. Also, shouldn't it be called pccard instead of pcmcia? Everybody still prefers to call it PCMCIA; PC Card is just a stupid buzzword that nobody cares about, afaict. I've never seen or heard it in use except by manufacturers and Ziff Davis subsidiaries... I knew that was a bad question right after I hit send. You're correct. :-) -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ -- rick -- A mind is like a parachute... it only works when it's open. ICQ# 1590117 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Help with LRP: http://lrp.c0wz.com Home page: http://www.c0wz.com ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Submit LEAF site to web directories?
x-flowedAt 06:11 AM 1/26/01 -0800, Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] incorrectly wrote: If we're going to do this I'd prefer to see: LEAF: http://leaf.sourceforge.net EigerStein: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/cstein Oxygen: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ddouthitt Correction, EigerStein should point to http://lrp.steinkuehler.net . SourceForge virtual hosting will take care of the redirection. -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel /x-flowed
Re: [Leaf-devel] Submit LEAF site to web directories?
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:15:45AM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled: I think networking rather than firewall -- even though many people use it for a home firewall, the LEAF developer mindset seems to be aiming for enterprise routing. your right, but home firewalls is the prime target for leaf, isn't it? I believe, the ones who have more to gain are the enterprises that use such routing systems as LEAF, but as the average internet user begins to be aware of that thing called internet security, most already have software like McFee and BlackICE (so called firewalls), so it might be a good idea to include it on both directories. but that depends on strategy, you guys might not want to label LEAF as a 'simple home firewall kit' I don't either. Well, one might always factor in the name, Linux Embedded Appliance Firewall... However, can we be listed both places? It is entirely applicable; LEAF is a meta-name, that is, it is a name for a group of different things, each of which has their own name, and many of which fit into one or the other or both categories. If LEAF: http://leaf.sourceforge.net couldn't get listed in both, there'd prolly be no objection to LEAF Firewall software: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/firewalls/ and LEAF Netutils: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/netutils/ getting listed; then we put pages there describing LEAF stuff that can be used as firewalls and networking utils... as always MHO pedro -- rick -- A mind is like a parachute... it only works when it's open. ICQ# 1590117 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Help with LRP: http://lrp.c0wz.com Home page: http://www.c0wz.com ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Submit LEAF site to web directories?
x-flowedAt 10:36 AM 1/26/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, we're listing LEAF, not the individual distributions under the LEAF umbrella; and under categories such as firewall or network utils, we have multiple entries -- For example, ES and Oxy can both be listed as firewalls. Rather than listing both at the site in question, there'd be a list of LEAFs good for firewalling at leaf.sf.net/fw [abbreviated]. Rick, I'm leaning towards the embedded listing. It gives us plenty of wiggle room for the various releases. Also, I'd like to list the project in only one category to begin with. If someone submits the site in another category later fine. BTW, I think that's what happened with LRP. Computers Software Operating Systems Linux Embedded http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/ \ Operating_Systems/Linux/Embedded/ -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel /x-flowed
[Leaf-devel] Submission to various repositories, etc.
Since we're talking of this I was thinking of submitting to http://www.freshmeat.net/ - what do you all think of this? Perhaps EigerStein could too? LRP is listed under Console/Mini- Distributions I think. -- David Douthitt UNIX Systems Administrator HP-UX, Linux, Unixware [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] SF Eigerstein link
If we're going to do this I'd prefer to see: LEAF: http://leaf.sourceforge.net EigerStein: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/cstein Oxygen: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ddouthitt Correction, EigerStein should point to http://lrp.steinkuehler.net . SourceForge virtual hosting will take care of the redirection. Eventually, this is true. For now, neither of the above links will work (leaf.sourceforge.net/cstein won't recognize my index.htm file). Also I now have 3 mirrors I am personally maintaing (my current website, the SF mirror, and a co-lo mirror currently online, but not in production). I will probably assign something like: lrp.steinkuehler.net lrp1.steinkuehler.net lrp2.steinkuehler.net Although I have yet to decide whether SF or my co-lo site will be 'primary'. Other issues to nail down before any EigerStein links can point to lrp.steinkuehler.net and/or lrp.steinkuehler.net resolves to a SF IP: Verify SF virtual hosting is properly configured Web log-rotation and statistics generation. I know we can run webalizer on SF, but I don't know if we can generate seperate log files for the different sub-sites or if we'll have to post-process the apache logs. I also have yet to setup cron jobs on SF, although I assume this is possible. Also, I don't know if we can rotate the apache logs...that probably requires root permissions. Automatic indexing of directories w/o index.html file (my kernel/modules tree is currently broken on SF) Get SF's apache to recognize index.htm, not just index.html Verify default mime type set to binary Probably some other stuff... Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Submit LEAF site to web directories?
x-flowedAt 03:17 PM 1/26/01 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Jack Pedro, Do we have a problem with the project description that needs to be fixed? I don't! but if LEAF is Linux Embedded Appliance Firewall it should be listed under firewalls, and of course firewalls are a part of networks so leaf will be used for network Appliances other than firewalls so it might be wise to list it under networks. Pedro, Ok, I'm sorry I didn't phrase that question better. You're leaning towards multiple listings, correct? snip so, what I want to say is that LEAF is a 'system' that can do many things around the routing issue, and it can serve several purposes, why not use that feature to make it known to all? This makes sense, but how do we resolve the single listing requirement of the Open Directory project? http://dmoz.org/cgi-bin/add.cgi?where=Computers/Software/ \ Operating_Systems/Linux/Embedded ~ Please check to be sure that this is the single category you think ~ your site should be listed in. ps: if this post seams totally inappropriate, its probably because I didn't get the question very well! if so don't take in consideration! ;) That's alright. It was just a request for further information, which you supplied. Thanks. :) -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel /x-flowed
RE: [Leaf-devel] Submit LEAF site to web directories?
From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] At 09:28 AM 1/26/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:15:45AM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled: At 08:48 PM 1/25/01 -0800, Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think networking rather than firewall -- even though many people use it for a home firewall, the LEAF developer mindset seems to be aiming for enterprise routing. but that depends on strategy, you guys might not want to label LEAF as a 'simple home firewall kit' I don't either. Jack Pedro, Do we have a problem with the project description that needs to be fixed? I don't! but if LEAF is Linux Embedded Appliance Firewall it should be listed under firewalls, and of course firewalls are a part of networks so leaf will be used for network Appliances other than firewalls so it might be wise to list it under networks. My point is, if you are trying to find a single category in a web directory to place LEAF, you wont be selling it all. meaning that you either publicize it as a efficient firewall, or as a network util/device/router (whatever), so if the LEAF product, so to speak, is fit for work under this two categories, why not make it available for both users? some hi-tech users will want a flexible and upgradeable router, they will look under 'Network', others just want some thing to protect them while online they will search under 'Firewalls' (because his/her friend told him he needed a firewall). why not serve them both? so, what I want to say is that LEAF is a 'system' that can do many things around the routing issue, and it can serve several purposes, why not use that feature to make it known to all? ps: if this post seams totally inappropriate, its probably because I didn't get the question very well! if so don't take in consideration! ;) pedro Well, one might always factor in the name, Linux Embedded Appliance Firewall... Rick, Along that line of thinking, should LEAF go in: Computers Software Operating Systems Linux Embedded However, can we be listed both places? It's not supposed to be, but LRP is listed in multiple catagories. If LEAF: http://leaf.sourceforge.net couldn't get listed in both, there'd prolly be no objection to LEAF Firewall software: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/firewalls/ and LEAF Netutils: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/netutils/ getting listed; then we put pages there describing LEAF stuff that can be used as firewalls and networking utils... If we're going to do this I'd prefer to see: LEAF: http://leaf.sourceforge.net EigerStein: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/cstein Oxygen: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ddouthitt At 07:43 AM 1/26/01 -0600, David Douthitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Computers Software Operating Systems Linux Projects Firewall or another category? LRP is listed in: Computers Software Operating Systems Linux Networking I lean towards the latter - or at least not putting it in "Firewall" as LEAF is much more flexible than that. Certainly I don't use it just as a firewall :-) Point taken David. :) What do you think about the embedded suggestion above? -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] SF Eigerstein link
x-flowedAt 09:04 AM 1/26/01 -0600, "Charles Steinkuehler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we're going to do this I'd prefer to see: LEAF: http://leaf.sourceforge.net EigerStein: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/cstein Oxygen: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ddouthitt Correction, EigerStein should point to http://lrp.steinkuehler.net . SourceForge virtual hosting will take care of the redirection. Eventually, this is true. For now, neither of the above links will work (leaf.sourceforge.net/cstein won't recognize my index.htm file). Yeah, I thought we would have been able to place the virtual hosting request by now, but the Apache DirectoryIndexes problem is preventing that. :( ref. https://sourceforge.net/support/?func=detailsupport \ support_id=25group_id=1 Also I now have 3 mirrors I am personally maintaing (my current website, the SF mirror, and a co-lo mirror currently online, but not in production). I will probably assign something like: lrp.steinkuehler.net lrp1.steinkuehler.net lrp2.steinkuehler.net Although I have yet to decide whether SF or my co-lo site will be 'primary'. That's entirely your decision. Whatever you decide is fine with me. :) Other issues to nail down before any EigerStein links can point to lrp.steinkuehler.net and/or lrp.steinkuehler.net resolves to a SF IP: Verify SF virtual hosting is properly configured Is the Apache syntax VirtualHost shell1.ip# DocumentRoot /home/groups/leaf/htdocs/cstein ServerName lrp.steinkuehler.net /VirtualHost Web log-rotation and statistics generation. I know we can run webalizer on SF, but I don't know if we can generate seperate log files for the different sub-sites or if we'll have to post-process the apache logs. I don't know the answer to this either. I also have yet to setup cron jobs on SF, although I assume this is possible. Yes it is, but you need to ask the SF staff to add the cron job. Also, I don't know if we can rotate the apache logs...that probably requires root permissions. Another one I'm not sure of. Automatic indexing of directories w/o index.html file (my kernel/modules tree is currently broken on SF) This is the DirectoryIndexes problem that I mentioned above. Get SF's apache to recognize index.htm, not just index.html I think we can do this with an .htaccess entry. I read how to do it, but I forgot where the link is. I haven't been able to find it again. It's on my list of things to fix. Verify default mime type set to binary Also, on my list of things to verify. If you notice any files that download as text, let me know. Probably some other stuff... Lots of other stuff, and I'm working on it. :) -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel /x-flowed
Re: [Leaf-devel] Submit LEAF site to web directories?
x-flowedAt 08:00 AM 1/26/01 -0800, Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point -- I personally never try to browse my way to a goal, but rather use the search engine. Don't know if that's common or not, but if it's common then we can stick the listing anywhere... That's my preferred way to find something too. What about using one of the submitting services? http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Internet/WWW/ \ Website_Promotion/Search_Engine_Submitting_and_Positioning/ \ Submitting_Services/Free/ or http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Internet/WWW/ \ Website_Promotion/Search_Engine_Submitting_and_Positioning/Directories/ -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel /x-flowed
Re: [Leaf-devel] SF Eigerstein link
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 09:04:45AM -0600, Charles Steinkuehler scribbled: sub-sites or if we'll have to post-process the apache logs. I also have yet to setup cron jobs on SF, although I assume this is possible. Also, I don't We could write a script that greps only pertinent info out of access_log and feeds it to webalizer. Cron does work. leaf.sourceforge.net/thc/ automatically mirrors lrp.c0wz.com every 6 hours. Get SF's apache to recognize index.htm, not just index.html Any reason why not to call it index.html? Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) -- rick -- A mind is like a parachute... it only works when it's open. ICQ# 1590117 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Help with LRP: http://lrp.c0wz.com Home page: http://www.c0wz.com ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Submit LEAF site to web directories?
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 07:10:04AM -0800, Mike Noyes scribbled: Pedro, Ok, I'm sorry I didn't phrase that question better. You're leaning towards multiple listings, correct? That makes two of us. Not only might one user look under 'firewalls' because that's the only keyword he knows, where a power user looking for flexibility might look under 'network utilities'; but also, it's always difficult to navigate directories like that correctly -- so, somebody might try a few branches and find something like 'embedded' or 'firewall' or 'network utilities' before he finds the others, and each user finds a different one first, and often doesn't find any of the others. snip so, what I want to say is that LEAF is a 'system' that can do many things around the routing issue, and it can serve several purposes, why not use that feature to make it known to all? This makes sense, but how do we resolve the single listing requirement of the Open Directory project? You know my suggestion...since LEAF isn't a single 'product', not a one-trick pony, LEAFs can get categorized and each category has a page under leaf.sourceforge.net/categoryname/; then each of the categories has a listing in OpenDir. -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ -- rick -- A mind is like a parachute... it only works when it's open. ICQ# 1590117 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Help with LRP: http://lrp.c0wz.com Home page: http://www.c0wz.com ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Submit LEAF site to web directories?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 08:00:28AM -0800, Jack Coates scribbled: Good point -- I personally never try to browse my way to a goal, but rather use the search engine. Don't know if that's common or not, but if it's common then we can stick the listing anywhere... True, but I don't use directories like that very often at all. I usually just search altavista or google. I think that many people must make use of such directories, browsing through them, to find what they're looking for; else, why would there be _so_many_ such directories? as an alternative! to those suffering from lack of 'using a search engine capability' :D no, seriously, some times its best to browse through similar items in order to choose. when you want something from tucows, imagine you don't know nmap and you want a net scanner, I would check the network utils category before running a full blown search on 'network scan software'. -- rick -- A mind is like a parachute... it only works when it's open. ICQ# 1590117 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Help with LRP: http://lrp.c0wz.com Home page: http://www.c0wz.com ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] SF Eigerstein link
Hello Charles wrote If we're going to do this I'd prefer to see: LEAF: http://leaf.sourceforge.net EigerStein: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/cstein Oxygen: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ddouthitt Correction, EigerStein should point to http://lrp.steinkuehler.net . SourceForge virtual hosting will take care of the redirection. Eventually, this is true. For now, neither of the above links will work (leaf.sourceforge.net/cstein won't recognize my index.htm file). Get SF's apache to recognize index.htm, not just index.html untill then you can easily fix it with a symbolic link in your homedirectory , so the people that type leaf.sourceforge.net/cstein will get your page too. I tested it on my page, but i takes every time 1 second after each character i typed to see it appear :( (between US and Europa 1000 mS) ln -s index.htm index.php Eric ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Submit LEAF site to web directories?
From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] At 08:00 AM 1/26/01 -0800, Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point -- I personally never try to browse my way to a goal, but rather use the search engine. Don't know if that's common or not, but if it's common then we can stick the listing anywhere... That's my preferred way to find something too. What about using one of the submitting services? http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Internet/WWW/ \ Website_Promotion/Search_Engine_Submitting_and_Positioning/ \ Submitting_Services/Free/ or http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Internet/WWW/ \ Website_Promotion/Search_Engine_Submitting_and_Positioning/Dir ectories/ that's a good bet. wich keywords??? -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] I'm dangerous now...
FWIW, I'm using 2.4.0test12 with Slackware 7.0... :) On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 07:50:23AM -0800, Jack Coates scribbled: can't find a changelog for it, is there any backporting of QoS features? If so I'm interested -- USB and PCMCIA changes would also get attention, though I don't need them. Hey, those trying 2.4 kernels -- are you applying any of Dave's patches, or just doing a full size kernel and damn the disk space? -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, David Douthitt wrote: On 26 Jan 2001, at 13:50, Jack Coates wrote: Finally installed Debian 2.1 to a VMWare partition and got it up and running. The 2.4.0 tarball is ftp'ing over right now :-) Uhoh. We're in trouble now :-) Anyone going to be interested in 2.2.19pre7 ? ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel -- rick -- A mind is like a parachute... it only works when it's open. ICQ# 1590117 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Help with LRP: http://lrp.c0wz.com Home page: http://www.c0wz.com ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] I'm dangerous now...
Jack wrote can't find a changelog for it, is there any backporting of QoS features? If so I'm interested -- USB and PCMCIA changes would also get attention, though I don't need them. Hey, those trying 2.4 kernels -- are you applying any of Dave's patches, or just doing a full size kernel and damn the disk space? I compiled a 2.4.0 kernel applied the two patches, and thanks to the download of 2.1 i now have a working Debian 2.1 (thanks rick :)) and succeeded the first time to compile iptables for 2.4. this runs on a pentium with 32 Mb, still got trouble booting the kernel on a 486/DX66 with 16 Mb (but working on it ;) -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! Eric Wolzak ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Submit LEAF site to web directories?
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 08:00:28AM -0800, Jack Coates scribbled: Good point -- I personally never try to browse my way to a goal, but rather use the search engine. Don't know if that's common or not, but if it's common then we can stick the listing anywhere... True, but I don't use directories like that very often at all. I usually just search altavista or google. I think that many people must make use of such directories, browsing through them, to find what they're looking for; else, why would there be _so_many_ such directories? -- rick -- A mind is like a parachute... it only works when it's open. ICQ# 1590117 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Help with LRP: http://lrp.c0wz.com Home page: http://www.c0wz.com ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Project Description
x-flowedAt 12:36 PM 1/26/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 08:17:26AM -0800, Mike Noyes scribbled: Current project description: ~ An easy to use embedded Linux network appliance for use in small ~ office, home office, and home automation environments. Although ~ it can be used in other ways, it's primarily used as a ~ gateway/router/firewall for Internet leaf sites. Proposed project description change: An easy to use embedded Linux network appliance for use in small office, home office, and home automation environments. Most commonly used as a gateway/router/firewall for Internet leaf sites, LEAF is very versatile and well suited to many other uses and tasks. 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 note: the short project description is limited to 255 characters. This change is 261 characters long. Comments? -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel /x-flowed
Re: [Leaf-devel] SF Eigerstein link
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 05:37:09PM +0100, Eric Wolzak scribbled: I tested it on my page, but i takes every time 1 second after each character i typed to see it appear :( (between US and Europa ^^ I thought it took some 10 light-hours or so for em communications to reach earth from Europa ( http://www.mufor.org/europa4.html ) ;-) 1000 mS) Seriously, though...you had good http speeds from me, right? Want a shell account that you can go through? Eric -- rick -- A mind is like a parachute... it only works when it's open. ICQ# 1590117 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Help with LRP: http://lrp.c0wz.com Home page: http://www.c0wz.com ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Submit LEAF site to web directories?
x-flowedAt 12:56 PM 1/26/01 -0500, you wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 08:42:48AM -0800, Mike Noyes scribbled: Here is a quick list I came up with. I'm sure I missed some keywords. snip Each of those should be seperate words, hopefully you didn't mean there to be any phrases there, mostly. Rick, I did, but I guess that's not possible. Current keyword list including Pedro's keywords. leaf, embedded, Linux, appliance, firewall, Internet, network, router, gateway, xDSL, cable, modem, home, automation, application, floppy, disk, security, server, VPN, ipsec, WAN, SOHO, NAT, IPMasq, proxy, nids, dial-on-demand, ipchains, ipfwadm, iptables How many keywords are allowed? -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel /x-flowed
Re: [Leaf-devel] Project Description
Here I go, answering a question asked to somebody else again.. :) On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 08:17:26AM -0800, Mike Noyes scribbled: Current project description: ~ An easy to use embedded Linux network appliance for use in small ~ office, home office, and home automation environments. Although it ~ can be used in other ways, it's primarily used as a ~ gateway/router/firewall for Internet leaf sites. a flexible system which can be used on embedded hardware or regular PC's, for enterprise tasks or simple home use. Jack, Are you suggesting a change in the first sentence? Actually, I'd suggest a change of the last: "Although it can be used in other ways, it's primarily used as a..." may read better as "LEAF is versatile enough to be used in many other ways, but sees it's most common use as a..." Or maybe "Most commonly used as a gateway/router/firewall for Internet leaf sites, LEAF is very versatile and well suited to many other uses and tasks." Yes, I like that last one better than the previous suggestion I made above it. -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ -- rick -- A mind is like a parachute... it only works when it's open. ICQ# 1590117 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Help with LRP: http://lrp.c0wz.com Home page: http://www.c0wz.com ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Submit LEAF site to web directories?
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 08:42:48AM -0800, Mike Noyes scribbled: Here is a quick list I came up with. I'm sure I missed some keywords. leaf router internet gateway VPN gateway WAN appliance firewall embedded application network appliance SOHO firewall Each of those should be seperate words, hopefully you didn't mean there to be any phrases there, mostly. linux masquerading ipchains ipfwadm iptables security server "single disk" "one disk" floppy There's a few more. :) -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ -- rick -- A mind is like a parachute... it only works when it's open. ICQ# 1590117 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Help with LRP: http://lrp.c0wz.com Home page: http://www.c0wz.com ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Project Description
Mike: Quick suggestion: sed 'home-automation' to 'home networking'. I've not heard X10 asked for on the LRP list in a long while. And, what's an "Internet leaf site"? Sounds like a web-forest (Mirkwood?). :) Perhaps: 'Most commonly used as a gateway/router/ firewall to enhance Internet security...'. Thanks! -Scott On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: At 12:36 PM 1/26/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 08:17:26AM -0800, Mike Noyes scribbled: Current project description: ~ An easy to use embedded Linux network appliance for use in small ~ office, home office, and home automation environments. Although ~ it can be used in other ways, it's primarily used as a ~ gateway/router/firewall for Internet leaf sites. Proposed project description change: An easy to use embedded Linux network appliance for use in small office, home office, and home automation environments. Most commonly used as a gateway/router/firewall for Internet leaf sites, LEAF is very versatile and well suited to many other uses and tasks. 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 note: the short project description is limited to 255 characters. This change is 261 characters long. Comments? -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Submit LEAF site to web directories?
Jack: Heya. Quick comment: And the easier it is to use, the bigger a butt-rash it will give to Cisco and Juniper :-) Akshally...from my recent discussions with a heavy-iron maker, their desires with regard to the success of the "edge of the network" SOHO-gateway market is much more along the lines of "by any means necessary". That is, their highest margins are in the cloud, and anything which makes that cloud "bigger" is good for them. An example would be Cisco's cable-modem business: they sell reference designs so that more people can sell cable-modems. The PL of that group can be net-zero...more cale-modem users can *only* be a good thing for CSCO. Bottom line is that I'd bet a cloud-maker would want LEAF to succeed wildly. It's those $5k black-box makers (like..errr.. like the ones George mentioned on LRP earlier in the week ;) that will feel the real chafing. -Scott ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] SF Eigerstein link
Copy index.htm to index.html. :) This will make Sourceforge happy and maintain backward compatibility with the mirror sites. /x-flowed
Re: [Leaf-devel] Project Description
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 09:08:06AM -0800, Mike Noyes scribbled: Proposed project description change: An easy to use embedded Linux network appliance for use in small office, home office, and home automation environments. Most commonly used as a gateway/router/firewall for Internet leaf sites, LEAF is very versatile and well suited to many other uses and tasks. 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 note: the short project description is limited to 255 characters. This change is 261 characters long. Comments? s/"Internet leaf sites"// It's most commonly used as a gw/router/fw, period. It's not necesary to qualify that by saying it's a gw/roouter/fw for foobar... I think, actually, saying it's most commonly used for Internet leaf sites will cause most peopel to either be confused or get the wrong impression.. So, removing it would probably be good for the description, as well as for fitting it into 255 chars. -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ -- rick -- A mind is like a parachute... it only works when it's open. ICQ# 1590117 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Help with LRP: http://lrp.c0wz.com Home page: http://www.c0wz.com ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Project Description
An embedded Linux for use in networking. Commonly used for home and small office LANs, LEAF is quite versatile and well suited to many tasks. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: At 12:36 PM 1/26/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 08:17:26AM -0800, Mike Noyes scribbled: Current project description: ~ An easy to use embedded Linux network appliance for use in small ~ office, home office, and home automation environments. Although ~ it can be used in other ways, it's primarily used as a ~ gateway/router/firewall for Internet leaf sites. Proposed project description change: An easy to use embedded Linux network appliance for use in small office, home office, and home automation environments. Most commonly used as a gateway/router/firewall for Internet leaf sites, LEAF is very versatile and well suited to many other uses and tasks. 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 note: the short project description is limited to 255 characters. This change is 261 characters long. Comments? -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Bandwidth Manager
I got to thinking that it sure would be nice to add some of this
functionality to LEAF so I did some looking at FreshMeat:
rshaper is a Linux kernel module that limits the incoming bandwidth for
packets aimed at different hosts ("incoming" meaning traffic that enters
the shaping host; if that host is a gateway between target hosts and the
rest of the Internet, all the traffic of the target hosts will be
shapeable). It's useful for ISPs who offer housing and want to
differentiate their offers and for limiting download bandwidth from
students' boxes or similar setups.
http://freshmeat.net/projects/rshaper
The WRR scheduler is an extension to the Linux 2.2 kernels. It is able to
distribute the bandwidth to different machines at a site in a fair way. As
a default every machine will get equally much of the bandwidth if they have
sufficient demand, but it is possible to make machines transferring much
data over a long or short period of time get less bandwidth. A
plug-and-play ready set of scripts setting up such behavior based on a
configuration file is included. The scripts sets up a Linux bridge which
must be placed between the router and the rest of the site.
http://freshmeat.net/projects/wrr
/x-flowed
RE: [Leaf-devel] Submit LEAF site to web directories?
Hello all At 04:39 PM 1/26/01 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] That's my preferred way to find something too. What about using one of the submitting services? http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Internet/WWW/ \ Website_Promotion/Search_Engine_Submitting_and_Positioning/ \ Submitting_Services/Free/ or http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Internet/WWW/ \ Website_Promotion/Search_Engine_Submitting_and_Positioning/Dir ectories/ that's a good bet. wich keywords??? Pedro, Here is a quick list I came up with. I'm sure I missed some keywords. leaf router internet gateway VPN gateway WAN appliance firewall embedded application network appliance SOHO firewall Do we need to add meta index information to our home page for this to work? It would be good to extend the meta-index information to our homepage, for searching by crawlers. I'll wait untill the list is ready and then I 'll change it. :) As far as i know there are no limits to keywords, depending on the searching robot, you can repeat keywords to become "higher " in the list. Allthough the good ones just ignore them. The description can then be put in the metaheaders too. -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ Eric Wolzak ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Project Description
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:40:09AM -0800, Jack Coates scribbled: maybe -- Of course, designs and efforts have been on PCs and dinky doohickeys like PC104, so the bus issues will keep LEAF out of the network core until it's ported to SPARC or DEC or something. Hmm...I have a DECstation 5000 dust collector... -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: At 07:55 AM 1/26/01 -0800, Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The way I see it (FWIW) is that LEAF is Current project description: ~ An easy to use embedded Linux network appliance for use in small ~ office, home office, and home automation environments. Although it ~ can be used in other ways, it's primarily used as a ~ gateway/router/firewall for Internet leaf sites. a flexible system which can be used on embedded hardware or regular PC's, for enterprise tasks or simple home use. Jack, Are you suggesting a change in the first sentence? I think that a year from now we'll have easy-like-pie disk images for home users, more complex CD and ZIP images for advanced routing and analysis (big brother, LIDS, and MRTG are getting me excited), and package bundles that would allow the savvy user to do anything the hardware they choose to use is capable of. And the easier it is to use, the bigger a butt-rash it will give to Cisco and Juniper :-) Should we order a case of cortisone cream for them? ;) -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel -- rick -- A mind is like a parachute... it only works when it's open. ICQ# 1590117 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Help with LRP: http://lrp.c0wz.com Home page: http://www.c0wz.com ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] LEAF/LRP NIDS
On 26 Jan 2001, at 19:45, Jack Coates wrote: NIDS would be easy, and if no one else's done packages for a nids system, that'll be my first thing to do (or another on the stack of half-finished projects, you decide :-) Like snort.lrp perhaps? :-) Not only have it - just updated it. -- David Douthitt UNIX Systems Administrator HP-UX, Linux, Unixware [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] [offlist] PCMCIA mailing list
x-flowedAt 09:23 AM 1/26/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 07:57:51PM -0800, Mike Noyes scribbled: Rick, Ok, if there are no objections I'll create the list tomorrow. Thankx. Rick, I'm going to do this tonight, but I have one question first. May I use leaf-devel-hardware for the list name? I think this would accomplish your goals of a separate list, and allow use of it for related topics (e.g. flash memory, pc104, alternate processors etc.). If you still want leaf-pcmcia that's ok too. I just thought we might want to keep it a little more generic, but the decision is yours. Also, note it will take a couple of days before the list is activated. -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel /x-flowed
Re: [Leaf-devel] SF Eigerstein link
On 26 Jan 2001, at 15:55, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: Any reason why not to call it index.html? 1) Assuming I could get front-page to output index.html instead of index.htm, I'd need to verify this won't break things with my other mirrors. Oh, that's easy to fix: # cd /bin # cp vi frontpage :-) Seriously why not this? while logged into leaf.sourceforge.net # cd whereever your mirror/root lives # ln -s index.htm index.html Unless the mirroring software erases files in the created (copy) directories, that would work, wouldn't it? -- David Douthitt UNIX Systems Administrator HP-UX, Linux, Unixware [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Classifying LEAF and LEAF Projects
Why not use "Mini-Distributions" or something like that? LRP on Freshmeat is classified under "Console/Mini-Distributions" - I think I'd like to put Oxygen in there too. -- David Douthitt UNIX Systems Administrator HP-UX, Linux, Unixware [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Bandwidth Manager
Mike, Rick:
I think it'd be *huge* to add some traffic shaping to LEAF,
with the caveat that we provide a setup interface to it as well, in
the same manner that we provide one for ipchains. That is, we pick
a shaper/bw-manager package, and we bundle it with a script of
the same UI-flavor as our firewall script.
I was looking once at a CBQ solution, and convinced
myself that I could get away with only three bandwidth "classes"
or "priorities" for most target LEAF installations: high-speed,
low-speed, and "time-critical" mode. High-speed would be what LRP
is without shaping, and low speed would be used to intentionally
sit on some LAN machine's peak bandwidth (eg, Junior's PC can only
get 56k). The "time-critical" class would be to suit people using
VoIP, Quake, or other streaming apps that want isochronicity.
Given the ability to provide one of these three modes
to every machine on the LAN, one a machine-by-machine basis,
I think is a 90-percent solution. The ET/BWMGR from Etinc allows
(shiver) "10 levels of priorities...with multiple class groupings".
Excessive, IMO. And, from the "Grand Fireewall Paradigm" thread,
we'd let these modes get specified in the same place and manner
that we specify port-forwarded services.
IMNSHO, of course. :)
-Scott
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would this be anything like
www.securityfocus.com/focus/linux/articles/trafshap.html?_ref=1208318568
??
I was just looking at that last night...
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:51:15AM -0800, Mike Sensney scribbled:
Here is a link to a commercial bandwidth manager software package I found
recently. Priced at $595 and runs on either Linux or FreeBSD. This thing is
feature rich and sexy.
http://www.etinc.com/bwmgr.htm
I got to thinking that it sure would be nice to add some of this
functionality to LEAF so I did some looking at FreshMeat:
rshaper is a Linux kernel module that limits the incoming bandwidth for
packets aimed at different hosts ("incoming" meaning traffic that enters
the shaping host; if that host is a gateway between target hosts and the
rest of the Internet, all the traffic of the target hosts will be
shapeable). It's useful for ISPs who offer housing and want to
differentiate their offers and for limiting download bandwidth from
students' boxes or similar setups.
http://freshmeat.net/projects/rshaper
The WRR scheduler is an extension to the Linux 2.2 kernels. It is able to
distribute the bandwidth to different machines at a site in a fair way. As
a default every machine will get equally much of the bandwidth if they have
sufficient demand, but it is possible to make machines transferring much
data over a long or short period of time get less bandwidth. A
plug-and-play ready set of scripts setting up such behavior based on a
configuration file is included. The scripts sets up a Linux bridge which
must be placed between the router and the rest of the site.
http://freshmeat.net/projects/wrr
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Re: [Leaf-devel] LEAF/LRP NIDS
I was thinking LIDS, actually, but still intend to do some research. Can snort act as nodes reporting to a central station? -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, David Douthitt wrote: On 26 Jan 2001, at 19:45, Jack Coates wrote: NIDS would be easy, and if no one else's done packages for a nids system, that'll be my first thing to do (or another on the stack of half-finished projects, you decide :-) Like snort.lrp perhaps? :-) Not only have it - just updated it. ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Bandwidth Manager
On 26 Jan 2001, at 21:51, Scott C. Best wrote: I think it'd be *huge* to add some traffic shaping to LEAF, with the caveat that we provide a setup interface to it as well, in the same manner that we provide one for ipchains. That is, we pick a shaper/bw-manager package, and we bundle it with a script of the same UI-flavor as our firewall script. I agree. On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:51:15AM -0800, Mike Sensney scribbled: rshaper is a Linux kernel module [...] ...which hasn't been updated since November 1999. http://freshmeat.net/projects/rshaper The WRR scheduler is an extension to the Linux 2.2 kernels. http://freshmeat.net/projects/wrr Updated July 2000 - much more active, I'd say. Description sounds as if it's not designed to operate on a router. but then again, maybe it could? -- David Douthitt UNIX Systems Administrator HP-UX, Linux, Unixware [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] LEAF/LRP NIDS
On 26 Jan 2001, at 22:00, Jack Coates wrote: I was thinking LIDS, actually, but still intend to do some research. Can snort act as nodes reporting to a central station? Not exactly. Snort is basically a combination of sniffer and packet- trace-analyzer; if you want everything to go one central system, you could use syslog (everything goes to logger.monkeynoodle.com), plus you can set up your own commands to run when it detects funny goings on. -- David Douthitt UNIX Systems Administrator HP-UX, Linux, Unixware [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] New documentation
I added some documentation to reflect common questions I've seen recently (and some old ones): * How do I back up packages (Oxygen) * Where is "ae"? (Oxygen) * Does LEAF support PCMCIA? * Why does my program produce a Segmentation Fault? See what you think - I rattled them off pretty quickly, but I think they'll do. -- David Douthitt UNIX Systems Administrator HP-UX, Linux, Unixware [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Bandwidth Manager
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 01:46:57PM -0800, Scott C. Best scribbled:
Mike, Rick:
I think it'd be *huge* to add some traffic shaping to LEAF,
with the caveat that we provide a setup interface to it as well, in
the same manner that we provide one for ipchains. That is, we pick
a shaper/bw-manager package, and we bundle it with a script of
the same UI-flavor as our firewall script.
I've been considering writing a script that reads a whitespace-delimited
table of ipchains rule info that would be quite human readable and turns
it into [and runs] a bunch of ipchains rules. It would be no sweat,
according to the link I sent [quoted below], to add traffic shaping
functionality to it.
I was looking once at a CBQ solution, and convinced
myself that I could get away with only three bandwidth "classes"
or "priorities" for most target LEAF installations: high-speed,
low-speed, and "time-critical" mode. High-speed would be what LRP
is without shaping, and low speed would be used to intentionally
sit on some LAN machine's peak bandwidth (eg, Junior's PC can only
get 56k). The "time-critical" class would be to suit people using
VoIP, Quake, or other streaming apps that want isochronicity.
I think you can actually assign different priorities based on any
of ipchains's options, not just source or destinatino IP. I have
only briefly scanned the article I linked, but it looks like you
just tag shaping options onto any old ipchains command.
Of course, my memory could have corrupted this since I looked at
it last night about this time, in which case I'm pretty much
talking out of my ass for this whole thing.
Given the ability to provide one of these three modes
to every machine on the LAN, one a machine-by-machine basis,
I think is a 90-percent solution. The ET/BWMGR from Etinc allows
(shiver) "10 levels of priorities...with multiple class groupings".
Excessive, IMO. And, from the "Grand Fireewall Paradigm" thread,
we'd let these modes get specified in the same place and manner
that we specify port-forwarded services.
IMNSHO, of course. :)
-Scott
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would this be anything like
www.securityfocus.com/focus/linux/articles/trafshap.html?_ref=1208318568
??
I was just looking at that last night...
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:51:15AM -0800, Mike Sensney scribbled:
Here is a link to a commercial bandwidth manager software package I found
recently. Priced at $595 and runs on either Linux or FreeBSD. This thing is
feature rich and sexy.
http://www.etinc.com/bwmgr.htm
I got to thinking that it sure would be nice to add some of this
functionality to LEAF so I did some looking at FreshMeat:
rshaper is a Linux kernel module that limits the incoming bandwidth for
packets aimed at different hosts ("incoming" meaning traffic that enters
the shaping host; if that host is a gateway between target hosts and the
rest of the Internet, all the traffic of the target hosts will be
shapeable). It's useful for ISPs who offer housing and want to
differentiate their offers and for limiting download bandwidth from
students' boxes or similar setups.
http://freshmeat.net/projects/rshaper
The WRR scheduler is an extension to the Linux 2.2 kernels. It is able to
distribute the bandwidth to different machines at a site in a fair way. As
a default every machine will get equally much of the bandwidth if they have
sufficient demand, but it is possible to make machines transferring much
data over a long or short period of time get less bandwidth. A
plug-and-play ready set of scripts setting up such behavior based on a
configuration file is included. The scripts sets up a Linux bridge which
must be placed between the router and the rest of the site.
http://freshmeat.net/projects/wrr
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Re: [Leaf-devel] I'm dangerous now...
Hey, am I just dense or are the kernel patches not on leaf.sourceforge.net? -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Eric Wolzak wrote: Jack wrote can't find a changelog for it, is there any backporting of QoS features? If so I'm interested -- USB and PCMCIA changes would also get attention, though I don't need them. Hey, those trying 2.4 kernels -- are you applying any of Dave's patches, or just doing a full size kernel and damn the disk space? I compiled a 2.4.0 kernel applied the two patches, and thanks to the download of 2.1 i now have a working Debian 2.1 (thanks rick :)) and succeeded the first time to compile iptables for 2.4. this runs on a pentium with 32 Mb, still got trouble booting the kernel on a 486/DX66 with 16 Mb (but working on it ;) -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! Eric Wolzak ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] PCMCIA mailing list
x-flowedAt 05:42 PM 1/26/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 01:38:43PM -0800, Mike Noyes scribbled: Well, I expect that it's entirely possible that it could bloom into a pretty major topic, big enough for it's own list seperate from a general hardware list; but for now, we'll start it on leaf-devel-hardware or just leaf-hardware. If turns out that it qualifies for it's own list and/or needs one, we'll make a pcmcia list. Whatever we do, let's get it done so I can invite people to it on Monday. :) Rick, Done. The web entry form wouldn't let me create a list with the name leaf-devel-hardware. It was to long. The new list is: leaf-hardware Discussion list for PCMCIA hardware The list description we can change at will. I'll let you know when it's ready for use. -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel /x-flowed
Re: [Leaf-devel] Bandwidth Manager
sure does look like EigerSteinBETA2 already does this with fair queuing... more the merrier, though. It is not exactly obvious what fair queuing does or how to do other than turn it on: # Simple QoS/fair queuing support # Turn on Stochastic Fair Queueing - useful on busy DDS links - YES/NO eth0_FAIRQ=NO In any event this does much less than what I was thinking about. /x-flowed
Re: [Leaf-devel] Bandwidth Manager
read a little further - there are some nice examples of what's possible
under FR and PPP cards, but these should apply to Ethernet interfaces as
well.
and then under IP filter settings in the same file,
# Fair Queuing support
# List of Mark values
MRK_CRIT=1 # Critical traffic, routing, DNS
MRK_IA=2# Interactive traffic - telnet, ssh, IRC
# List of traffic types and maps to mark
values
# Setting this variable turns on the
# fairq chain
CLS_FAIRQ="${MRK_CRIT}_89_0/0 ${MRK_CRIT}_udp_0/0_route
${MRK_CRIT}_tcp_0/0_bgp
${MRK_CRIT}_tcp_0/0_domain ${MRK_CRIT}_udp_0/0_domain
${MRK_IA}_tcp_0/0_telnet $
{MRK_IA}_tcp_0/0_ssh ${MRK_IA}_tcp_0/0_27910 ${MRK_IA}_udp_0/0_27910
${MRK_IA}_t
cp_0/0_26000:26999 ${MRK_IA}_udp_0/0_26000:26999"
Here we're setting two queues -- critical and interactive, and marking
traffic types according to the queue they go into. A third queue might be
bulk-transfer, for instance, though the CS script I'm working from here
assumes that anything not in CRIT or IA is BULK.
Finally at the end of network.conf QoS is turned on and CBQ set for the
interfaces affected.
--
Jack Coates
Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner!
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Mike Sensney wrote:
At 01:57 PM 01/26/2001 -0800, Jack Coates wrote
sure does look like EigerSteinBETA2 already does this with fair
queuing... more the merrier, though.
It is not exactly obvious what fair queuing does or how to do other than
turn it on:
# Simple QoS/fair queuing support
# Turn on Stochastic Fair Queueing - useful on busy DDS links - YES/NO
eth0_FAIRQ=NO
In any event this does much less than what I was thinking about.
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Re: [Leaf-devel] I'm dangerous now...
From: Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [Leaf-devel] I'm dangerous now... Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:leaf-devel- [EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=subscribe mailto:leaf-devel- [EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe Date sent: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:59:22 -0800 (PST) Hey, am I just dense or are the kernel patches not on leaf.sourceforge.net? -- I got them from Charles Site (lrp.steinkuehler.net) - There seems to be a problem with the mirroring of the kernel modules. See posts before look for the patches in the kernel 2.4.0 test 11 tree (or something similar :) ) Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
