RE: [Leaf-devel] is Bering GNU?
George, I'm kind of curios. Why did you feel the need to cross-post to lists not related to LEAF? Odd, one in San Diego and the other in New York? How incredibly odd. Did you want encompass the United States, some LEAF developers are not US citizens you know, you might want to cross post to lists in France, Germany, Brazil and Japan too. If you had leaf related questions, why did not ask them on the publicly available LEAF-USER list and not copy email lists that the VAST majority of people on said lists are not subscribed too? Instead of asking specific questions you start off with a general leading question and then launch into an attack. I name thee TROLL! I thought about not sending this message, but you just didn't appear to do your research and quite frankly there is a hell of a lot of FREE support on the leaf-user lists. I note that http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=and&format=short&config=l eaf-user_lists_sourceforge_net&restrict=&exclude=&words=George+Georgalis shows that a lot of folks spent a LOT of FREE time helping you out. Never the less, these messages are in the archive so I will endeavor to answer some of your attacks ^H^H^H^H^H^H concerns and ignore others at my whim. And then, quite possibly, black hole any further messages from you because I can and life is not fair. :) I will probably also supply frivolous information to amuse myself because it's late and I am occasionally a random sentence generator. At least that may provide amusement to some. Leaf-project is several different distro's with similar and differing objectives. Your inability to instantly gain all knowledge of it without spending some time doing YOUR homework is tiresome. You assume that because you think you know Linux that you should be able to instantly understand 1 of 5 specialized distributions in the LEAF project and the compromises necessary to fit them on a floppy disk? I wish I had your knowledge and learning skills. No, wait... No I don't. Note: I am speaking for myself because you irked me and it's late where I am. Comments inline marked > -Original Message- > From: George Georgalis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 10:56 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Leaf-devel] is Bering GNU? > > I'm beginning to have my doubts. Where is > /usr/src/linux/.config? Where are the other compile time > options for other binaries? Just how was > Bering_1.0-rc3_img_bering_1680.bin made? doubt away and use another project. OR ask politely and you directed to the information. Volunteer projects have a problem - NO PAID SUPPORT! If you perceive a lack, ask/gather the information, do a write up and submit it for inclusion in the FAQ's/Documentation. I will endeavor to direct you to some of the documentation you obviously missed on your first or second perusal of our site. I think the site is up to 2-3GB. > After spending a good part of a week, and _all_ day Friday > getting up a Bering router before a deadline -- subsequently > missing the first day of a conference http://h2k2.org -- I > looked back at what was the problem. I discovered I was > hacking around a product (the Bering image) much like the > manner of before I used Linux. I have this disk image, that I > mount to find, compressed archives, containing finely > tailored scripts and a handful of binaries. Together they > make up the GNU Bering. (And maybe other leaf versions as well.) Nothing personal but I am reminded of an old IT saying. You lack of planning does not necessarily constitute an emergency on my part ESPECIALLY when you're NOT paying for my time! Why would anyone but you care that you were late to something? Did you get fired? Why would LEAF be relevant to your not planning sufficient testing and implementation time in a project? Configuration is through lrcfg. Not the same as a full distro of Linux. My first experience was with the Eigerstein distro and I had it set up in 25 minutes. At the time, I didn't even know what Linux was. Leaf, being specialized, oddly enough, has to make compromises on how some things work. Perhaps the Bering user doc was to much for you http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/jnilo/busers.html Perhaps the Bering Installation guide was insufficient http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/jnilo/binstall.html > I have hunted all over http://leaf-project.org and > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ for the source, or even a file > that says version xx.yy.zz of busybox was compiled with the > following patch and compile time options. Or maybe a tgz of > the /usr/local/src/bering where the image was made? Nothing. > I find myself writing scripts to extract and compress lrp > files. Surely everyone doesn't gzip -c9 what they made by tar > cf after mounting and extracting their first floppy image? > Is this the intended way to indoctrinate new developers to
Re: [Leaf-devel] RE: Weblet Demo Site
One update on the site links. If you could add www.leaf-project.org It points to the location site as leaf.sf.net but grants greater portability. -sp On Thu, 27 June 2002, "Steve Fink" wrote > > Richard, > > This looks great! Only one minor comment/suggestion > > We are trying hard to change everyone from LRP to LEAF. > > Good work! > > Thanks, > > Steve > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Richard > Amerman > > I have just finished setting up a Weblet Demo box. > > It is located at > 207.202.227.167 > > Pleas check it out and post comments!! > It is currently built on Bering 1.0 RC2 and will stay that way until there > is a new version of Weblet ready to go. I know there were some other > changes to Weblet made since RC2 that I need to find. > > I must make a few things clear: > > I do not have a clear grasp of who may also be working on Weblet and I do > not want to do redundant work or step on anyones toes so I need to find out > who else is working on Weblet or is interested in participating. I have had > some discussion with guitarlynn so I know she is doing some work. > > Here is a list of changes currently deployed in the demo site: > > > > Added a new list of all the configuration files on the left side of the > index page. I have included all the main networking files, modules file, > ppp files, and all of Shorewall. I did this with a combination of > index.html modification (including some cleanup, primarily with an added > style entry above that took out all the remaining style info bellow) and > some changes in the showlogs* cgi scripts. > > Made a change so that on the individual pages displaying either a config > file or a log, the entire path is displayed at the top rather than just the > file name. > > Added two new links, to the configuration file section, one that gives you a > single page with all the major configuration files from /etc and another for > all the Shorewall files. Each combined config list uses a seperate cgi > script. The config file lists are hardcoded in the scripts so it is a > temporary hack. I would like to directly link these to the packages so that > they are dynamic. I would also like to make the initial page more dynamic, > move it from a static page to a separate script. > > > > > > Here are the additional changes I have made today but not deployed to the > demo site het: > > > > Converted index.html to index.cgi > > Added function for displaying uptime. Added the uptime using this function > under the status indicators on the index page. > > Abstracted most of the original content of index.html to > /cgi-bin/index.content > > added a new header function to weblet.functions that includes a page > refresh; > this to be used with the index page and all pages (logs and the like) that > should > refresh to be up to date > > added a new styles function to the weblet.functions that contains all the > css info > > changed the header functions to use the new styles function > > > > > > --- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Bringing you mounds of caffeinated joy. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Bringing you mounds of caffeinated joy. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Hi there, and (bug?) report
Mike Noyes wrote > > May I have the dunce cap please. > > -- > Mike Noyes > [EMAIL PROTECTED] /me slides cap to Mike You can have it, I'm tired of wearing it :) and now a word from our sponer's.. This moment brought to you by D'oh Unlimited... Bringing public moments to you for a lifetime ;) --- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Jabber Inc. Don't miss the IM event of the season | Special offer for OSDN members! JabberConf 2002, Aug. 20-22, Keystone, CO http://www.jabberconf.com/osdn ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] OT Fun with old BattleBots (some linux content)
On Sun, 23 June 2002, "Charles Steinkuehler" wrote > > In case you haven't heard, this July 4th is the first annual > wIndepedance day (as declared by the Desktop Linux folks: > http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS3432021257.html). In honor of this > watershead event, I am working on a parade float for my neighborhood 4th > of July parade, which will feature "Tux" sitting on a 4' x 5' wooden > platform (think "desktop"), and probably carrying an american flag (or > maybe with an "Uncle Sam" type hat), with me sitting in Tux's belly, > driving. As appealing as this sight might be, this is still enough to make me get on a plane and fly to Kansas City :). <...> as things get more interesting, I'll take some photos <...> I'll probably even send some in for the > desktoplinux.com essay contest (they say a picture's worth a thousand > words :-) OWOWOWOWOWOW Stop! :) > Charles Steinkuehler > P.S. Yes, I do live in a neighborhood that still has picnics, parades, > progressive dinners, and even our own mayor! (Potwin Place, in Topeka, > KS, if you're really curious...a victorian neighborhood developed in the > late 1800's) We're having a neighborhood street BBQ in Elk Grove, CA (Just South of Sacramento, CA -kind of counts as Sacramento). No parade though. --- Sponsored by: ThinkGeek at http://www.ThinkGeek.com/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Hello again!
On Fri, 21 June 2002, "Serge Caron" wrote > Hello all, > > I have been recovering from a car accident in late march. Glad to here you are recovering. Hopefully full recovery will be soon. ... :-) > PS: I am really typing this with ONE finger :-) > No wonder the message took so long to read. I mean, it was displaying like reading with a 300 baud modem. :) -sp --- Sponsored by: ThinkGeek at http://www.ThinkGeek.com/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Derivative of LEAF-Bering
I stumbled across this off of a reference from another list I am on. I was wondering if this was a known derivative of LEAF-Bering? http://www.hazard.maks.net/wisp-dist/about.html -sp ___ Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] SANS link. Ours not mentioned but informative link
http://rr.sans.org/firewall/floppy-based.php Pretty new article. Ours isn't tested but good stuff for the concept of floppy based firewalls. Perhaps we should let him know of our existence. -sp ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Proposed change to the Project Goal
On Tue, 05 March 2002, Matt Schalit wrote >The only thing that still hangs out there for me is whole 'F' in LEAF > issue. I noticed that neither goal mentioned that the project is about > developing firewalls. Some people think that all LEAF projects are > meant to be routers/firewalls. Is that true? I could have sworn that > it was about linux embedded appliances, but I guess that's not accurate. > I posted that question in response to Serge's comments, "are all LEAF distros > now and in the future firewalls?" > > Regards, > Matthew > Well now that it's pointed out that F does seem obvious. Doh. As this evidently involves a lot more more work on Mike's end coordinating with SF staff than I had realized, there is no hurry. I'm going to look at Mike's version over the weekend and look more closely at mine and see where they end up. I'll post sometime next week, next time perhaps I wont post after being up 20 hours. No wait, never mind, it'll happen again. :) -sp ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Slashdot article
For those keeping score, it seems that a firewall article made slashdot and leaf-project is suggested in a lot the replies, as are several others. http://slashdot.org/articles/02/03/04/0047215.shtml?tid=172 ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] q reqarding an ftp site for leaf-project.org (was different)
I have no objection to this, but we would need several things to happen. Files stored there would have to be updated through some mechanism when there is one in place already on sourceforge. But the big one is will they set up the vhost for ftp.leaf-project.org? Currently I can't direct to a sub directory through DNS. Unless we want to state in the download instructions page you start here \and\drill\down\to\linux\leaf? On Tue, 26 February 2002, Mike Sensney wrote: > > Why do LEAF files need/have to be stored at SF? We could use Ibiblio for a > file repository. They allow ftp access and recently they added another > terabyte of storage. They also have excellent bandwidth. At least downloads > > from there seem to be faster than from SF. > ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/ > > > I just got back from Seattle and am now catching up with my mail. I > apologize for not commenting on the new domain earlier since I started this > thread in the first place but I don't have easy access to mail while on the road. No requirement to comment. :) > > The good news is I just got a new job that I pleased with. :-) The bad news Congrats! I happy too for you. ;) > is I have to move wife and home 200 miles to Seattle. I like Seattle so > that > is a plus. But I _really_ hate moving... > Moving SO sucks. I just moved in June, however, I am unlikely to move again for at least 10 years now so that is all good now. I'd offer to help, but well, I'm in California, so I'll offer to give a good thought instead. :) -sp ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Announcing leaf-project.org site name.
On Mon, 25 February 2002, Matt Schalit wrote: > Mike Noyes wrote: > > > > At 2002-02-24 23:06 -0800, Steven Peck wrote: > > >After Mike Sensney's suggestion and talking to Mike Noyes and Charles I > > >decided to get the domain name leaf-project.org. > > > > Steven, > > Thank you for doing this. Our project is indebted to you. > Ditto. (blush) In real terms to me, it means I pass up a hw upgrade to my system for few months, so it was not a burden at this time. > > >Any suggestions, comments, concerns or ideas, please do not hesitate to > > >ask. > > > > Idea: > > It would be nice if we were able to acquire the leaf.org domain. It's In talking to Mike, I recalled that I looked into several leaf.zzz varients when the project first switched, but they were all taken. leaf.org apears to be the most active and a personal site. Leaf.com doesn't appear to have changed in a year or two but claims to be a business of some sort leaf.net appears to be speedy.net now. leaf.net will expire in June, so I will keep an eye on that for now, but in the meantime, my domain buying spree :) will pause to recupe it's investment. > Or maybe http://go.to/leaf/ > > But that's getting complicated because it becomes a pain to decide > which urls to remember, and you've already decided on the org part :) > > How about getting ftp.leaf-project.org squared away? > > Best, > Matthew download.leaf-project.org dl.leaf-project.org takes you somewhere...hmmm. I believe Mike N is opening a request with SF to set the vhost on the sourceforge site to direct appropriatly. Can't redirect to sub directories with DNS :( -sp ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] [dachstein] feature add
Charles, For Dachenstein, not having set it up yet myself. Perhaps a specific menu item to back up the ssh keys... hThat just doesn't sound right. Well, I'll post it anyway to generate thought. -sp ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] write-once flash compatible chips. 'Soon' to be available
Now this would solve the security concerns of read/write flash and the percieved reliability problems of floppy's. It's a company claiming write-once flash compatible chips. 'Soon' to be available. http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20011219S0041 -sp ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Back again.
On Tue, 13 November 2001, "Charles Steinkuehler" wrote: as we are beginning to gear up for another major hardware > project at the office (I push hardare gates around for my day-job). > > Charles Steinkuehler > http://lrp.steinkuehler.net I just have this picture of Charles pushing chainlink and wooden gates around on a cart and I know that that's just not right. ;) -sp Heck, as soon as I pass the 'probation' period at my new job, I can pop for DSL at home again (Cable is minimum 6 month additional wait after they lied to us for past 5 already) and start getting more active myself. ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Holy Cow
I remember that Rick was getting laid off and looking for work. You might ask our maillist manager if Rick's email is bouncing.. He used to hang out on the openprojects.net irc channel, so you could check there as well. Like Ray, I was out of work myself when my contract ended 3 weeks ago, unlike Ray, I got VERY lucky and picked up another job a week later. Very different envirnment, so it'll be interesting. Heck, may even be able to afford xDSL again! :) Good luck Ray. What are you looking for? I realize it's a long shot, but if I hear of anything in the Bay Area, I'll hollar. -sp On Thu, 11 October 2001, Matt Schalit wrote: > > Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > > > > Anyone seen or heard from Rick lately? His domain name stopped resolving, > > and his web-server seems to be down (even on port 81). Anyone know what's > > up? > > > I was wondering the same thing. Where RickO and Ray0? > Hopefully they're just busy earning $$. > > Matt ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] links is cool
All right, Due to current issues, I happen to be playing with Remote X-Window seesions over ssh, learned a lot, it was fun and all that. But web browsing over X-Window/ssh sessions were a 'little' slow. So, I played with 'lynx', the ever popular text browser. Not bad, but any page with tables kind of was difficult. In any case, at the LUG meeting earlier this week, another browser named 'links' was mentioned and demo'd. Now this is COOL! It habdles tables, I can read adn post from my webmail accounts, it kills those stupid video ads. One person said it had issues with accepting cookies and redirects, but whatever comes on a stock Red-Hat 7 box, must have the patches to compensate as I've only had issues twice. The mouse works in an X-Window session, there is a menu activated by the [esc] key. Fun stuff. -sp ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Me and LEAF
On Thu, 30 August 2001, George Metz wrote: > > On 30 Aug 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Look around for an envelope labeled GAS or Electric, open it up and if > > you see anywhere it saying 'past due' you've found your problem. > > ...he says in jest. In fact, I was on a budget plan with both Gas and > Electric. Both of which are up this month. Both of which want me to pay > around $500 in overusage to bring the bill current. =( > > Equal Payment/Budget plans are EVIL. > > > Good luck. > > Thanks. Back to poking the Monster with a stick. =) > > -- > George Metz > Commercial Routing Engineer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] OW! My contract is up in the beginning of October, so they will either bring me onboard, or uh oh! Hey, I'm on one of th espread the payments all year with mine as well and it never bit me THAT much. Of course, they 'audit' and 'adjust' every 3-6 months instead of yearly. Good luck, job market kind of sucks in California too. -sp ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Me and LEAF
> > slowly. The weather looks fine, I must say. > > Weather? What's that? Is that the reason the > temperature keeps changing no matter what I do in > my apartment? Hrmmm Must investigate this strange > thing. No no. That's not quite right. The weather changes the outside temperature, which can have an effect on the inside. Inside is controled by switches or dials (one hopes it is at least influenced). You've probably been to busy to pay the the electric/gas bills and THAT's the reason nothing you do with the switches and dials seems to affect the temperature inside. Look around for an envelope labeled GAS or Electric, open it up and if you see anywhere it saying 'past due' you've found your problem. Good luck. -sp :) ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Roundup article of some nifty HW
Roundup article of some nifty HW that a lot of this list is aware of, but what the heck. http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT2016997232.html One of these days I want to play with some of these. /me looks around for his spare time maybe I dropped it. -sp ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Wireless PPP -> NoCat Net
Well, that's good to know, thanks. Well. It looks like I shall have to modify my plans. It's better that way anyway I guess. Now my order of attack is 1. Get it working. This involves initial testing in Windows, but I know Windows and the drivers are written for Windows. 2. Get it working on LRP. I'm not sure what image I'll use for that yet. 3. Get the ppp over ssh working, I'm hoping that that won't take to long. 4. Write it up! Everything in one place. Right now, there are elements of the design EVERYWHERE. Antenea's there, card mods here, etc. -just added 5. IPSec. What is the overhead of the ipsec tunnel? 6. Re-write. Heck, I'd be doing it this weekend, but I'm going out of town, I'm so conflicted. :) Steven Peck On Fri, 27 July 2001, "Charles Steinkuehler" wrote: > I'm looking to do this as well, but I plan on using IPSec instead of > PPP/ssh. Please be aware that a PPP/ssh link will not degrade well if you > start loosing packets...the PPP layer and the TCP layer under ssh *both* try > to account for dropped/mangled packets, and can wind up interfering with > each other in bad ways. IPSec is designed to work with 'lossy' networks, > and takes care of dropped/mangled packets cleanly. Note that as long as > your link is clean, PPP/ssh should work fine... > > Charles Steinkuehler ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Wireless PPP -> was NoCat.net
It's not that bad! Besides, Microwaves operate at a variety of frequencies, some in the 2.4GHz band, but it is shielded. Look on the side of your microwave for that information. I'm more concerned with the 2.4GHz phones, but those autosearch for 'quiet' frequencies, some I am hoping that my 'always' on connection will keep 'em off of that freq. The whitecap protocol seems to avoid the problem with how it handles conflict resolution, but it is proprietary and until Netgear came out in support, only Panasonic had support, so, I'll try the D-Link until I start writing drivers :) -sp On Thu, 26 July 2001, "Scott C. Best" wrote: > > David: > > Hee. It's a fair question: the 2.4GHz band isn't > unlicensed because the FCC was feeling generous. It's > unlicensed cuz it's filled with microwave (as in food > and as in non-terrestrial) garbage. > > People talk about having a "Bluetooth enabled > ear-piece for the cell-phone", seem to skip the fact > that some skeptics *may* not want to put a little oven > in their ear. Cell-phones, at 2.3GHz, don't absorb into > water nearly as well as a 2.4GHz transmitter does. > > -Scott > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > > > Mike Sensney wrote: > > > > > The 2.4 GHz radios use 50 ohm cable. You can use the RG 58 cable that tends > > > to be readily available. You will loose about 3Db, or half your power, for > > > every 16 feet of cable. A lot of the RG 58 cable on the market has poor UV > > > protection so that can be a problem in direct sun. If you need a better > > > cable the LMR series seems to be popular with the wISP crowd. > > > > As a ham operator myself, I've a question for you wireless wizards. > > I've heard that newer cell phones operate somewhere in 2GHz, and now you > > mention this. > > > > Seems to me I remember that standing next to a 1+ GHz antenna is likely > > to have SERIOUS consequences... like burning a hole in your head ;-) > > > > Or was that 12GHz? > > > > You all can probably tell I don't do any work in the GHz bands :-) ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Wireless PPP -> was NoCat.net
On Thu, 26 July 2001, Mike Sensney wrote: > At 10:54 AM 07/26/2001 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote > >I saw that one. Umm, I only need 700-900 feet, so that might be a tad overkill. :) > > But at the bottom of the page you'll see: > > Use the Feed Can By Itself > > You can use the feed can by itself as a cheap antenna. It works as well as > the commercially available "range extender" antenna, but only in one > direction, and it is so easy to construct! > > > A couple of the feed cans should have no problem doing a 1000 foot link. > And they'd be a lot less effort that making a pair of the Yagis. Missed that use the can alone thing. Part of the reason for the Yagi is the desire not to put it outside, so I figure the db of the design will go through the walls. This is of course completely aside from the 'coolness' factor of the Yagi 'look'. if it works from inside, instead of PVC pipe, I can stick it in a clear lexan tube. :) Course, I still haven't decided what to do about the reflector, I mean come on, a Pringles can? Well, I'll start with that. I might try the juice can idea once I know the rest of it works. I'm looking at going through a couple of walls and there is no telling when the neighboors are going to put a tree in the way. (probably have to move it outside then) Another neighboor seems interested in a shared connection and he's a techie, so, we'll see how it goes. > > BTW, have you thought about what kind of cable and what length you are going > to use? 'Cause I have some, I figure I'll start with some thin net 10base2. If that doesn't work, I'll call my Uncle (serious long time Ham operator) and get some advise from him on wire selection. For length, if I keep it in the house, I can keep it fairly short. > >Here are my current thoughts > >nics: > >http://www.guerrilla.net/reference/80211_mod/dwl-650_ext_antenna/index.html > >-cause I'm cheap (save my $100-200 on Orinnoco cards, if it works, cost me that if >I screw it up) > > The mods look simple and straight forward. If you blow it you should turn > in your sodering iron. That's what I figure. However, if it works, my friends pays half, if not...well, it had better work eh? (insert prequalifying excuses here) Well, it has been a long time since I last soldered..(I'd better dust off my Electronics degree :). Steven Peck ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] NoCat Net
U, no. I just got connectivity from home and lost some messages in the move. If you send me there email addresses (or if they respond here) I'd be happy to coordinate with them. I hope to buy the materials for the antennea this week and perhaps the NICs next. I'll be out of town this weekend. -sp On Thu, 26 July 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-07-26 09:22 -0700 > >Eventually, I hope to to have an image up when I get done myself. > > The images below sound nice. Are you working with Morgan and Rick on the them? > > >My requirements are secure point to point connecting 2 wired networks. At > >this time I do not need roaming connectivity (though that may change, I > >don't have a laptop). What I plan to do to accomplish this is get it > >working first, then do a PPP over ssh2 (ya, 2 floppy disks ) so > >that it will be somewhat resistent to sniffers. Not that I am worried > >where I am yet, but, as I told a friend, we might as well do it right. > > > >I am still debating the end config. Choices > >1 system > >- Internet connectivity > >- DMZ > >- Internal Network > >- Wireless network > > > >2 systems > >- Internet > >- DMZ > >- Link to internal router > > > >-- Link to external router > >-- link to internal hard wired lan > >-- wireless PPP link to remote router/wireless lan > > > >I'll probably go with the first for now, and migrate to the second later > >because I'm whacked. :) > > -- > Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ > > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] NoCat Net
I saw that one. Umm, I only need 700-900 feet, so that might be a tad overkill. :) Here are my current thoughts nics: http://www.guerrilla.net/reference/80211_mod/dwl-650_ext_antenna/index.html -cause I'm cheap (save my $100-200 on Orinnoco cards, if it works, cost me that if I screw it up) For the antennea this http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448 or http://www.netscum.com/~clapp/wireless.html I figure that with these, I will be able to keep the antennea in the house at the range I am thinging of. If not, well, I'll be stringing cable. In the future, those boards with PCMCIA adaptors and built in NICs appeal to the hobbyist in me, but that remains to be seen on a stable, non-contract type job. :) -sp On Thu, 26 July 2001, Mike Sensney wrote: > > At 09:22 AM 07/26/2001 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote > > >While researching for my wireless setup (I'm getting ready to build the antenea) I >came across their site. The WRP looks like a derivative of the LRP. I need to pull >it down and play with it to make sure. Eventually, I hope to to have an image up whe > > >n I get done myself. > > Here is an interesting high gain antenna that can be built for cheap. > http://www.wwc.edu/~frohro/Airport/Primestar/Primestar.html ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] NoCat Net
While researching for my wireless setup (I'm getting ready to build the antenea) I came across their site. The WRP looks like a derivative of the LRP. I need to pull it down and play with it to make sure. Eventually, I hope to to have an image up when I get done myself. My requirements are secure point to point connecting 2 wired networks. At this time I do not need roaming connectivity (though that may change, I don't have a laptop). What I plan to do to accomplish this is get it working first, then do a PPP over ssh2 (ya, 2 floppy disks ) so that it will be somewhat resistent to sniffers. Not that I am worried where I am yet, but, as I told a friend, we might as well do it right. I am still debating the end config. Choices 1 system - Internet connectivity - DMZ - Internal Network - Wireless network 2 systems - Internet - DMZ - Link to internal router -- Link to external router -- link to internal hard wired lan -- wireless PPP link to remote router/wireless lan I'll probably go with the first for now, and migrate to the second later because I'm whacked. :) Steven Peck On Thu, 26 July 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > > Scott C. Best, 2001-07-25 22:28 -0700 > >Mike: > > > > Heya. You may want to look into this project, if > >you haven't already. They've built a floppy-based firewall > >called WRP to support their 802.11 hotspot community > >network: > > Charles, & Scott, > I sent email to them asking if they would like to affiliate with us for the > base, and firewall portions of their project. Their WRP development could > easily be called a LEAF release. > > I believe the rest of the NoCat project doesn't fall within our stated > goals, that's why I asked them to affiliate rather than join. > > -- > Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] New User Interface Tool: Breakthrough!
Hey, I bought a disk notcher so I could double side my 5-1/4" floppy disks. I saved SO much money. ROFL -sp On Fri, 13 July 2001, Mike Sensney wrote: > > At 08:37 AM 07/13/2001 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote > > >On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, David Douthitt wrote: > > > >> Hilton Travis wrote: > >> > >> > Are those the 8" floppy disks? > > > >I think the 8" floppy disks never held more than 250KB at most, anyway. > > IIRC the 8" SSSD disks were 250KB in size. The 8" DSDD disks held something > like 800KB. A treasure trove of storage. ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Site update 2001-07-12
On Fri, 13 July 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > > Great. Did Morgan Reed get in touch with you about your wireless setup? > > -- > Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ Yes he did, unfortunatly I accidently nuked his response (stupid webmail -delays so you end up clicking on the wrong button). But he pointed me to the wavelan and there is a *.lrp file somewhere. So, I may pick up 2 cards this weekend, and run some range tests. Once I get it working in Windows (we are at ~700 feet) with utils I understand, I'll swap them over to the LRP box. And get it going. The main complication is that I'll probably have to add an antanea of some sort. Fortunatly, I can across a comple of designs on the internet that look do-able. In any case, if I get it working, I'll write it up. ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Site update 2001-07-12
Mike, It looks good. We might want to update http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=1407&group_id=13751 It looks like I'll be getting my modem back this weekend so I'll finally be able to get back online from home and do some work. From work, there are limitations to th sites I can get to. -sp On Thu, 12 July 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > > Mike Noyes, 2001-07-12 10:00 -0700 > > * Clean up DocManager Documents with tidy > > Everyone, > I modified the FAQ below. I think the new format looks better, and offers > us revision control. However, its added complexity may deter people from > editing the FAQs. > > You can compare the new format to the old by clicking on the "Print > Document" link. > > Description > http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=1396&group_id=13751 > > -- > Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ > > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Article on choosing HW for routers
Just an interesting article. Probably not much new for folks here, but check itout anyway. http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2000/09/28/LinuxAdmin.html?page=1 -sp ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Wireless routing question -thanks
Thanks for all the suggestions and links, they got me to where I needed to go for a start. It's a race now, if I can figure out how to do it before the cable company hooks us up and I cave and go with an IPSec tunnel. I'll probably encrypt my air traffic anyway. I'm repossessing my loaned out modem this weekend, so connectivity will be restored (slower connection than I would be happy with, but faster than what I have now). -sp ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Wireless routing question
Thanks, If I am able to persue it to successful completion I'll write it up. Though I will admit that I hope the cable company beats me to it, before I buy all the equipment. -sp On Tue, 03 July 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-07-03 09:32 -0700 > >Greetings, > > > >I remember some folks working on a wireless router solution. I believe I > >saw an announcement of a working image. > > Steven, > I found a couple of images. I hope they help. > > Wavelan LRP Package > http://www.i-dist.com/lrp/wavelan.html > > NetNimble WRIP > http://www.netnimble.com/wrip/ > > -- > Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ > > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Wireless routing question
Greetings, I remember some folks working on a wireless router solution. I believe I saw an announcement of a working image. I want to setup a wireless link to my neighbors house. He's on the edge of range (600-700 feet ~est, I need to measure it). I was looking at access point to access point devices when I remembered someone saying that they had a working wireless setup. I do not remember seeing what they were using it for or how they were using it. Barring range considerations (I can research that) would it be posible to use that image with a PC Card adapter and a wireless pc card in a router to router setup? ---air--- Thanks, -sp ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Updated LEAF Documentation Pages
This Internet connection stuff only from work sucks! I hope to reclaim my modem later this week so I will at least have dial-up access from home until the cable company figures out that there are houses where I live. I'll have to print and read through all the messages tonight. Thanks all. -sp On Sat, 30 June 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > > Jack Coates, 2001-06-29 23:08 -0700 > >On 29 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 28 June 2001, Jack Coates wrote: > > > > > > > On 28 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > I used to go around this by remoting into my Windows box and > > > > > browsing from there. I'm rapidly trying to figure out how to do X > > > > > Window over ssh from my work WinNT box to a friends Red Hat 7 box. > > > > > > > > > > > I happen to have Hummingbird Exceed. There is a lot about XWindow > > > stuff I don't understand though. I downloaded TeraTermpro and tissh > > > and checked the forward box, but not having used Exceed much, it is > > > not been a quick pick up for me. I shall persist though. Any > > > pointers to a how to or faq? > > > > > >Make sure Exceed is running. Hopefully it won't need anything special, I > >haven't used it. WRQ needed nothing extra. > > Steven and Jack, > I have Exceed and all I do is use the "Exceed (XDMCP-Broadcast)" icon. It > finds my debian box, and everything just works. I think I had to change a > couple of settings though. I have to install it on a laptop this weekend, > so I'll document the setup. If you're going to use Exceed make sure you > have a 100mb ethernet switch. Also, most of X's processing happens on the > server, so make sure you have something that can handle the load. > > -- > Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ > > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Updated LEAF Documentation Pages
On Thu, 28 June 2001, Jack Coates wrote: > > On 28 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I used to go around this by remoting into my Windows box and browsing from there. >I'm rapidly trying to figure out how to do X Window over ssh from my work WinNT box >to a friends Red Hat 7 box. > > > > -sp > > I've done this -- if you can get your friend to use VNC over SSH it will > make your life a lot easier. > > If you can get a commercial X server like Hummingbird or Exceed, then > TTSSH is a good way to go. Just install both, set up a connection in > TTSSH and click the 'forward X' button. Done. > > But if you can't get a commercial X server, you might want to look at > Cygwin. I'm using it on Win2K now to provide CLI. I've started X from > Cygwin once or twice to make sure it worked, but realize you're working > with twm until you can compile something else (easier said than done wih > Cygwin). You used to be able to get a free server from Metro, MI/X or > some such, but it was really quite awful. > > -- > Jack Coates > Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! I happen to have Hummingbird Exceed. There is a lot about XWindow stuff I don't understand though. I downloaded TeraTermpro and tissh and checked the forward box, but not having used Exceed much, it is not been a quick pick up for me. I shall persist though. Any pointers to a how to or faq? -sp ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [Leaf-devel] Updated LEAF Documentation Pages
Tell me about problems with connections. I don't have one from home right now and where I work is about to start 'per user logon filtered' access. I used to go around this by remoting into my Windows box and browsing from there. I'm rapidly trying to figure out how to do X Window over ssh from my work WinNT box to a friends Red Hat 7 box. -sp On Thu, 28 June 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > Not at all. I'm having problems with my ISP today. If my connection is better >tomorrow, > -- > Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Site Update
On Wed, 20 June 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > Steven Peck, 2001-06-20 08:55 -0700 > >Does anyone beside Rick hang out in the IRC channel. I hit it > >periodically, but it is always dead quiet. > > I don't know. I noticed this article on Debian Planet about > OpenProjects.net, so I thought I'd ask if anyone thought IRC was useful. Well, log onto the #lrp channel. Rick created it, so he would be the one to ask if it was any use to him. He seems to go off around 10pm PST for some odd reason. SOme junk about needing to go to bed or something. -sp ps. My new mail server seems to be working ok and my leaf site is up on the new server. hmm...bummer, I need to fix the www site. ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
