Re: [LU] Match v " team of weirdos "

[Greg Adams]

Just to be clear - I was not implying that Dave or anyone on the list is 
writing Skoobs off.  I am just curious to know whether we think he has 
done enough already to justify waiting a bit longer to get someone or 
rushing to get anyone with first team experience.



On 13 Feb 2023 12:50, Greg Adams wrote:


/On 13 Feb 2023 12:23, nattan--- via Leedslist wrote:/

/Let's get the new manager in quickly and hope he us the right man, 
this team could be decent /



Are we writing off Skoobs already? I thought the last two games showed 
immense improvement in tactics, style and shape when defending.  For 
me the key thing to get right now is the right man for the job.  Get 
the wrong guy, and it's back to the drawing board.  This guy who Ajax 
fired a couple of weeks ago looks like a disaster waiting to happen 
judging from the comments I read from Ajax fans / dutch supporters. I 
would be happy to go with Skoobs for a while if it means waiting for 
the best guy for us.




As the chant went " follow follow follow, you're a team of f@cking 
weirdos, Ronaldo's a rapist, greenwoods a rapist and Scholes just 
loves to suck toes"Made me laugh even if none of them actually play.
Very low key police presence at Piccadilly early on, and only a 
handful of fans on our train, met by a handful of coppers at Leeds. 
Then massed ranks of police at the barrier and even stranger ( I 
wondered for a second if the pub had been given to them) 5 vans and 
15 or so police outside the west Ridings.  This was the scum 
game.Team news was as expected but the bench showed how we are 
suffering yet again with injuries as Gyabi, Monteiro, Joseph and 
Mullen all made the bench. Not much there if we needed a boost.
At the bus queue my lad got into it with some knob ( unfortunately 
not the only one as it turned out) who sang the runway song, then 
after my lads comment, tried to double and triple down with version 
of Daisy daisy and the laughing policeman ( not putting words on 
here) - no one joined in as we berated him , his " excuse" one of 
them was buried in a cemetery near him and it got attention. What a 
dick. He later remembered it was David Pegg ( buried in Doncaster)
Inside the ground it was the right type of hostility near us, the new 
song as above , we all hate scum etc, with lots of backing for us " 
Billy bremner's barmy army" - great stuff. The cheer when Adams 
thundered into the first tackle leaving their player on the deck was 
brilliant
We really got at them and Summerville missed an easy chance early on, 
and he had another before half time in a half of few chances,  
Meslier had to save with his feet as s woeful pass from the mainly 
excellent Wober let in that hateful Fernandes what a horrible player 
he is whining moaning and trying to referee it
Second half ( till last 10) was even  better as we created lots of 
half chances, summerville had a save, Harrison had a flick just wide, 
koch had a header blocked,Ayling came closest with a shot that 
ricocheted through a scum players legs and went wide, he followed it 
up with a great overhead kick that unfortunately went straight to the 
keeper.  We pressed and pressed but it was not to be. At the other 
end their first attack led to them hitting the bar, then on 80 
minutes it all fell, apart. We had made changes Harrison and Bamford 
off for Rutter and aaranson and it didn't work and tiredness crept 
in. We left Rashford clear in the box and a good cross found him 0-1 
, minutes later their sub zoomed past Koch and his shot sneaked in. 
Game over. It  could have been worse as they put it in twice more but 
both offside. So a 2 - 0 defeat in a game we could have won
The now familiar comment after the game   " play like this and we 
will be all right"Trouble is , so far we have only played like that v 
good teams   and have not a lot to show for it , defeats by Arsenal,  
Spurs,  scum ( ok win  v Chelsea and liverpool).We need to play like 
that v poor teams starting with the next two and we need to score 
when on top
All the players gave their all and before Wednesday,  a point and 
only minus 2 in the goals column may have been acceptable but not 
when  2 up in the first game and the better team for 80 minutes of 
the second.
We need to get points , at least 4 in the next 2, and turn things 
around.  This week has given us more hope but not much more than 
that. Summerville and Gnonto are brilliant to watch and Adams and big 
boy McKinney give us a strong base in midfield and Wober has improved 
us at the back, so it is not a lost cause by any means,.
  Finally a well done to Firpo best game yet ( albeit a low bar) he 
was ok defensively and offered more than Struijk going forward
Let's get the new manager in quickly and hope he us the right man, 
this team could be decent

Dave
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Re: [LU] Match v " team of weirdos "

[Greg Adams]

/On 13 Feb 2023 12:23, nattan--- via Leedslist wrote:/

/Let's get the new manager in quickly and hope he us the right man, this 
team could be decent /



Are we writing off Skoobs already? I thought the last two games showed immense 
improvement in tactics, style and shape when defending.  For me the key thing 
to get right now is the right man for the job.  Get the wrong guy, and it's 
back to the drawing board.  This guy who Ajax fired a couple of weeks ago looks 
like a disaster waiting to happen judging from the comments I read from Ajax 
fans / dutch supporters. I would be happy to go with Skoobs for a while if it 
means waiting for the best guy for us.




As the chant went " follow follow follow, you're a team of f@cking weirdos, 
Ronaldo's a rapist, greenwoods a rapist and Scholes just loves to suck toes"Made me 
laugh even if none of them actually play.
Very low key police presence at Piccadilly early on, and only a handful of fans 
on our train, met by a handful of coppers at Leeds. Then massed ranks of police 
at the barrier and even stranger ( I wondered for a second if the pub had been 
given to them) 5 vans and 15 or so police outside the west Ridings.  This was 
the scum game.Team news was as expected but the bench showed how we are 
suffering yet again with injuries as Gyabi, Monteiro, Joseph and Mullen all 
made the bench. Not much there if we needed a boost.
At the bus queue my lad got into it with some knob ( unfortunately not the only one as it 
turned out) who sang the runway song, then after my lads comment, tried to double and 
triple down with version of Daisy daisy and the laughing policeman ( not putting words on 
here) - no one joined in as we berated him , his " excuse" one of them was 
buried in a cemetery near him and it got attention. What a dick. He later remembered it 
was David Pegg ( buried in Doncaster)
Inside the ground it was the right type of hostility near us, the new song as above , we 
all hate scum etc, with lots of backing for us " Billy bremner's barmy army" - 
great stuff. The cheer when Adams thundered into the first tackle leaving their player on 
the deck was brilliant
We really got at them and Summerville missed an easy chance early on, and he 
had another before half time in a half of few chances,  Meslier had to save 
with his feet as s woeful pass from the mainly excellent Wober let in that 
hateful Fernandes  what a horrible player he is whining moaning and trying to 
referee it
Second half ( till last 10) was even  better as we created lots of half 
chances, summerville had a save, Harrison had a flick just wide, koch had a 
header blocked,Ayling came closest with a shot that ricocheted through a scum 
players legs and went wide,  he followed it up with a great overhead kick that 
unfortunately went straight to the keeper.  We pressed and pressed but it was 
not to be. At the other end their first attack led to them hitting the bar, 
then on 80 minutes it all fell, apart. We had made changes Harrison and Bamford 
off for Rutter and aaranson and it didn't work and tiredness crept in. We left 
Rashford clear in the box and a good cross found him 0-1 , minutes later their 
sub zoomed past Koch and his shot sneaked in. Game over. It  could have been 
worse as they put it in twice more but both offside. So a 2 - 0 defeat in a 
game we could have won
The now familiar comment after the game   " play like this and we will be all 
right"Trouble is , so far we have only played like that v good teams   and have not 
a lot to show for it , defeats by Arsenal,  Spurs,  scum ( ok win  v Chelsea and 
liverpool).We need to play like that v poor teams starting with the next two and we need 
to score when on top
All the players gave their all and before Wednesday,  a point and only minus 2 
in the goals column may have been acceptable but not when  2 up in the first 
game and the better team for 80 minutes of the second.
We need to get points , at least 4 in the next 2, and turn things around.  This 
week has given us more hope but not much more than that. Summerville and Gnonto 
are brilliant to watch and Adams and big boy McKinney give us a strong base in 
midfield and Wober has improved us at the back, so it is not a lost cause by 
any means,.
  Finally a well done to Firpo best game yet ( albeit a low bar) he was ok 
defensively and offered more than Struijk going forward
Let's get the new manager in quickly and hope he us the right man, this team 
could be decent
Dave
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Re: [LU] Marsch

[Greg Adams]

haha! That did cross my mind, but didn't want to say it first 😁

On 09 Feb 2023 17:13, Richard Walker wrote:

Maybe they all thought he was a cunt ?


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On Thursday, February 9, 2023, 3:11 pm, Greg Adams 
 wrote:


I just heard a someone on the Guardian podcast (Lucy Ward?) say that
none of the players have sent Marsch any farewell messages. I'm
not on
twitter or the other messaging apps, so I can't verify this.  Has
anyone
seen or heard of anything?

If it is true, it would be very strange, as most players say
thanks or
something similarly anodyne.  Not sure what to make of it.

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[LU] Marsch

[Greg Adams]

I just heard a someone on the Guardian podcast (Lucy Ward?) say that 
none of the players have sent Marsch any farewell messages. I'm not on 
twitter or the other messaging apps, so I can't verify this.  Has anyone 
seen or heard of anything?


If it is true, it would be very strange, as most players say thanks or 
something similarly anodyne.  Not sure what to make of it.


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[LU] Skooobs!

[Greg Adams]

Well that was a change from what we've been seeing in the last 11 months 
or so.  Everything we would want - and expect  - from this squad we saw 
last night.  That in itself raises many questions, but suffice to say 
that the way the team played gives an insight into how good they can 
be.  Gone (mostly) were the aimless hoofs up-field, the charging towards 
the ball at all times and players needlessly and carelessly losing 
possession. Instead we showed the intelligence to hold off and drop back 
into a defensive formation when necessary, while always trying to find a 
way to attack.  It looked like the players were playing instinctively 
and trusting themselves and each other to make the run / make the pass , 
always looking for a free man. There were times during the game that we 
made the scum look ordinary, which is always fun to see 😁


How much of this performance was due to who we were playing will become 
clear in the next few games, but the fact that we can play this way 
bodes well for the rest of the season.


MOTM for me was Max, with Koch, Willy and two pit bulls in midfield 
close seconds.  Everyone else did well enough with the possible 
exception of Bamford and Junior.


It was also good to see some calmness on the sideline with the three 
coaches concentrating on the game and trying to counteract Ten Haag's 
changes.


Oh, and 20M for Harrison?  He is worth way mare than that.


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Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[Greg Adams]

So long Jesse Marsch, we hardly knew you. In truth we all hated you from 
the start , with your American ways and tight white trousers 😁.


Seriously though, the board has to make the right appointment now.  It 
will determine whether we consolidate over the next few years, or 
continue to struggle with one manager after another. A Potter (Brighton 
version) would be nice. Have a team which punches above its weight, 
bloodying a few big noses along the way.  Let's face it - unless the 
49-ners have more money to throw away, sorry invest, we will not reach 
the dizzy heights of the top five / six.  And that will be fine with me 
and, and I suspect most of us here.


I would be interested to know who the list think might be the right man 
for the job.  Talk so far has been of Corberan, Pochettino and Bielsa. 
All three should be able to get more out of this squad.  If it was up to 
me, I'd try to get Pochettino until the end of the season and give him 
the option of staying if he keeps us up. If Bielsa feels he has learnt 
something new and wants to take up the reins again, I would be happy 
with that as well.


For now it seems Chris "Brutus" Armas will be the guy in charge, which 
is weird given his friendship with Marsch.  Lets hope we don't keep him 
after beating the scum in the next two games.


As for Marsch, he will likely get another gig sometime soon, and maybe 
will have learned from his experience here, and become a better coach.  
He seems a nice guy so best of luck to him.


It is times like this that I miss the Voice of Football. I'm sure 
Chantal would have a pome for Jesse. 😂



On 07 Feb 2023 15:50, John Lee via Leedslist wrote:

I simply don’t understand why Marsch couldn’t see the all-too-obvious failings 
in his tactical approach - he’s either incredibly arrogant, and couldn’t 
possibly be wrong, or just plain dumb? The failings were there for all to see 
at the end of last season, so it’s not a new thing. I have to concede I feel 
very happy he’s gone.

One reporter at the press conference asked about Bamfords comment (isolated, no 
runs from midfield, 2 defenders on him), he was just being honest and open. It 
would be interesting to know what player pressure fed into the board decision?

Just seen report on BBC Look North that while the club would like to have 
someone in place by Sunday, contractual discussions may mean that isn’t 
possible.




On 7 Feb 2023, at 12:13, Simon McNally via Leedslist  
wrote:

As you say, shocking that he ever got near the job at Leeds given this record.
It’s everything we’ve seen at Leeds. Not able to break teams down, everything 
rushed and narrow.
They need to get it right this time.

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Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 12:08:56 PM
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Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on Marsch from a 
USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." It's from a year ago, 
and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing because it's badly written and rambling. 
But some bits are jaw-dropping when you consider we'd tracked him for years and knew him 
better than he knew himself.
"At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. The book 
on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They did inexplicably beat 
Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on that later."
"In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low block. Marsch 
can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the game, all of them fail on some 
sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no time. They press harder than they've ever 
pressed . They create chance after chance after chance. Then in the second half after a 
slight change from the opposition they create nothing."
"In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league title (a 
very fortunate points deduction to their rivals helped). In the CL they look good against 
Liverpool and not good against worse teams. Fans complain that he's a mediocre coach who 
can't make adjustments."
"Leipzig are unanimously expected to qualify for the champions league. After 14 
games they're 8th and have lost three in a row. Leipzig are unable to deal with low 
blocks. They have a knack of looking good against good sides, and not so good against 
less good sides."
"Marsch tactics work very well when you have an opponent who like time on the ball. 
You can press and disrupt. Bit if teams play on the counter or hit long balls over the 
top, Marsch's teams all come up short."
"Marsch has coached at three teams. All of which reached unprecedented heights in 
his absence."
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Re: [LU] Forest

[Greg Adams]

Me too.  I have had enough of this shit football.  I can't see it 
getting any results in this league. Maybe in Austria, but not the German 
league and certainly not here.  One thing that bugs me no end is the 
constant hoofing the ball when most of these players are capable of 
taking an extra touch and looking for a pass. One other thing: have you 
noticed how we never seem to have a player in space? How every team we 
have played against always seem to have at least one player wide open? 
It seems like basic tactics to me, but what do I know?


Not sure who we can get in tho'.

On 05 Feb 2023 19:25, Richard Walker via Leedslist wrote:

Hope so. We have one tactic and that’s give the ball to Gnonto. Forest 
nullified that in the 2nd half and we were toothless 2nd half. We totally ran 
out of ideas. I think there’s enough talent in the team to stay up but I can’t 
see it with Marsch in charge.


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On Sunday, February 5, 2023, 5:12 pm, nat...@sky.com  wrote:

  Pascal is being ruined - a decent centre back being played out of position 
long after it stopped working - his confidence is totally shot . We have got a 
good player in wober but he is not a left back so we only have FirpoLooking at 
social media tonight Jesse is done
 On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 17:06:50 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:
  
  That was the worst left back performance since Ronnie Robinson. Absolutely rubbish.


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On Sunday, February 5, 2023, 3:01 pm, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:

Yes.
Really poor from Pascal to give the free kick away and then a poor header. Not 
sure why Ayling wasn’t tight to Johnson.


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Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 2:56:10 PM
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Cc: Michael Benjamin ; leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Forest

What is hard to take is how hard we work to close down all over the pitch, but 
they get the ball on the edge of our box and there is no-one within 5 yards of 
their player!

Plus the guy who was ‘fouled’ for the free-kick was offside - this combo of 
desperate luck and sh*te defending on the right has to change, otherwise we’ve 
had it!

Very impressed by Wober though - some great tackles/interceptions, and a couple 
of excellent forward passes.

It’s going to be a long second half! We can still do this, but another ‘here we 
go again’ feeling!




On 5 Feb 2023, at 13:52, Simon McNally 
mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>> wrote:

Me too.
I was a bit surprised by the selection. I’d have expected McKennie to start but 
at least he’s dropped Aaronson.
As ever, worried when I see Cooper starting.
Feels massive today.

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Subject: Re: [LU] Forest

Yep, today isn’t a ‘must’ win, but if we don’t the mood music will be very grim 
indeed.  Marsch’s tactical nous, or lack of, have left me unimpressed from day 
1, but we have some really good players and I’m just hoping a cohesive unit 
will develop, pretty damn quickly! We have a really strong bench, but as ever 
how the defence performs will be critical! I’m unsure why Weston isn’t on at 
the start, but let’s see?

I reckon Marsch has 5 league games to determine his future at Leeds - whilst 
getting rid in mid-February wouldn’t be ideal, by then we’ll know whether a 
turn of fortunes has happened?

Pretty nervous here though :-(

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mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
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Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 2:07 PM
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Subject: [LU] Forest

   Today's game is massive for Jesse marsch, he needs to get it right Looking 
at yesterday's fixtures pre kickoff I thought all 6  of our relegation rivals 
could well lose, instead Everton , Leicester and Wolves picked up unlikely 
wins, and west ham an unlikely draw, so only Southampton and Bournemouth got 
nothing.We do have two games in hand on all bar Forest ( one game) but after 
scum away on Wednesday we will have played the same number.
It is hard to see us get much in the back to back scum games and so we must get points 
today.The board have backed Marsch massively in the transfer window bringing in 3 
players, but the fans are yet to be convin

Re: [LU] Stanley

[Greg Adams]

I watched some of the Preston - Spurs match over the weekend, and the 
commentator said that Leeds were keeping an eye on Preston manager Ryan 
Lowe. Apparently he is a favorite of Orta's.


In other news, neither Kalvin and Raphinia made the Guardian's top 100 
players.  Greener grass and all that.


Marsch thinks we played a strong game against poor league one 
opposition. I have had enough of this clown. I think there is a real 
chance we go down with him.  He needs to go.  @MDM not anti-american, 
just anti this american




On 29 Jan 2023 17:37, Tim Whelan via Leedslist wrote:


And after Liverpool‘s defeat this afternoon, there are no teams still 
in the FA Cup that we’ve beaten this season.-- Original Message 
--
On  Saturday, 28 Jan, 23 At 21:49, Robert 
Heath wrote:


Well we have apparently had something like 11 away ties in a row, so 
the law of averages says that..oh forget it, we'll be 
drawn away again.


On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 8:58 PM Tim Whelan via Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org> > wrote:


 The 5th round draw is on Monday night, at 7pm on the One show. And we
 will get whatever pig of a tie they can dream up for us, something like
 Man City away.

 -- Original Message --
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 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Saturday, 28 Jan, 23 At 18:15
 Subject: [LU] Stanley
 Well, apart that from that 19 foot tall teenager's goal, we wandered
 through that as if it was a behind closed doors training match. Jack's
 goal was nice, Bamford continued to improve and the new lads did the
 best they could. The big test will be the Scabs next weekend. Who have
 we drawn in the next round?
 Betty
 (On the Guinness)
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[LU] Who needs a big dick..

[Greg Adams]

.. when we have a small Willy?

I really like this kid.  He was, for me, the best player on the pitch - 
constantly moving, looking to play forward and a truly excellent goal.  
We deserved more from this game, but a silly pass from Aaronson gifted 
them a chance which they took.  Aaronson needs to be dropped for a 
while.  He has been ineffectual for a few games now, and doesn't rate a 
starting role.  Lots of running around but very little progress or 
creativity.  Especially with Willy and Jimmy showing a lot more skill 
and nous, but I suspect he is the teacher's pet, so won't be dropped.  
Harrison showed what was possible with a bit more composure.


Marsch looks done to me.  It felt sometimes last night that the players 
were doing their own thing and not following the game plan that we saw 
in previous matches.  Now that may be Jesse's changes, but judging from 
his press conferences, I don't thinks that is the case. It looked very 
much the type of football that we saw under the previous manager who's 
name should not be mention here, apparently.


I hope incoming Max is a good left back, because we really need to give 
Pascal a break.  I would drop Cooper for Pascal to get him (Pascal) back 
to being a center-back again.  Incidentally, it does it not seem weird 
that we are offering contract extensions to all our center-backs when we 
have Cresswell and Heldje waiting in the wings? I would be comfortable 
letting Cooper and LLorente go at the end of the season to give the two 
youngsters a chance.


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Re: [LU] Spuds

[Greg Adams]

My "Bring back Bielsa" remark was made tongue firmly in cheek. Maybe I 
should have used one of those emoji things😁


Having said that, if it was a choice between Bielsa and our current 
Fearless leader



On 13 Nov 2022 13:24, bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

I don’t think most people who see Marsch’s tactics as hopeless are saying that 
because he’s American, it’s because his tactics are naive. And most Leeds fans 
I know arn’t even dreaming about a Bielsa return - that period is done and 
dusted!

It is inevitable that Marsch will go this season - wrong man, wrong job, so the 
‘process’ will need to be followed. We have some decent players who, with the 
right management, could do much better than is currently the case. A manager 
who brings on Luke Ayling to shore up the defence demonstrates all too clearly 
his limitations!

Of course if VAR had spotted the Meslier foul things would have been different, 
but our defending is so tactically naive who would have bet on getting some 
points even if that goal had been disallowed?

Groundhog Day for the next 12 months? Hopefully not!



Sent from my iPad


On 13 Nov 2022, at 10:52, seanscribe--- via Leedslist  
wrote:

Gotta say I am so sick of the anti-American "bring back Bielsa" bullshit on 
this list. It's finally time to say something. Bielsa was taking us down. He was an 
incredible manager for a mid-level Championship team because he had the ability to (a) 
improve the team's professionalism and attitude (b) improve their fitness to almost 
superhuman levels (at some cost to the players' long-term health) and (c) play with 
tactics that Championship managers weren't used to facing. But that only worked to a 
lesser degree in the Premier League, where (a) everyone is super-professional, (b) 
everyone is super-fit and (c) the managers are the best in the world (and so are the 
players). By last season the players were done and we were dropping like a stone back 
towards the Championship, getting absolutely hammered every week. Marsch rescued us. It 
wasn't pretty, but it worked.
The reason Spurs scored one more goal than us yesterday is that their first goal was the 
result of two blatant fouls: one by the goalscorer Harry Kane pushing Tyler Adams (in 
much the same way that Bamford did against Arsenal, except that Bamford was penalized and 
Kane wasn't); and the second on Meslier, who was pushed into the back of his net and then 
sat upon, preventing him from being in position to actually save Kane's shot. I would 
argue that this was classic "big six refereeing," in which the Premier League 
feels invested in ensuring that the six clubs around which it bases its global marketing 
remain competitive for the top spots in the league throughout the season. Kane was also 
helped by a long tradition in the Premier League of granting the England captain more 
leeway than other players (going back at least to Alan Shearer kicking opponents in the 
head and getting away with it). Oh, and Spurs' fourth goal came from a throw-in given to 
them when the ball clearly came off the leg of a Spurs player.
All the anti-Americans said Marsch's football wouldn't score goals. We've 
outscored our opponents 9-8 in the last three games. It wouldn't win games, 
they said. We've won two of our last three and were in position to win the 
third with fewer than ten minutes to go. It wouldn't be exciting, they said. If 
you haven't found the last three games exciting, maybe you should take up 
skydiving instead.
Yes, our defence is a problem. I would argue a major factor behind that is that 
Bielsa's hand-picked left back, Junior Firpo, is crap. Marsch realizes this and 
doesn't play him, which, because we are so weak in that position, means we have 
to play arguably our best centre-half as left back. Until the club spend some 
money on very good defenders, we're probably going to continue to suffer 
results like yesterday on a regular or semi-regular basis.





-Original Message-
From: Greg Adams 
To: Leeds List 
Sent: Sat, Nov 12, 2022 12:14 pm
Subject: [LU] Spuds

Well, that was great. We had a big chance of getting something today,
but stupid, naive defending gifted the spuds enough chances which they
finally took.

We were second best, but some good play by individuals gave us a
chance.  Spurs were there for the taking, but no team can defend like
that against any PL team, let alone a so-called top six one. This team
does not know how to defend. The first two goals were the result of
sloppy play by us.  I did not see the third and fourth.

It's time to let the clown go.  His 'tactics' are a joke. There are
enough decent players in the squad for us to be much better than this.
Just look at how many times there are three Leeds players pressing one
opponent and still do not win the ball or stop the player from playing
the ball

Re: [LU] Spuds

[Greg Adams]

I'm not anti-American.  I'm anti Marsch because he cannot coach what is 
a decent squad to defend.  Everyone seems to think that a new center 
back is needed.  Fair enough, but I would argue that the the two we have 
been playing with do not get enough help from the midfield. Roca, IMHO, 
is not much good at defending, and Adams is not disciplined enough.  We 
play with two midfielders in front of a back four.  Roca to the left and 
Adams to the right.  When Adams goes forward to try to win the ball, 
Roca holds his position. When the player in possession plays the ball 
into the area Adams has just left, Roca is still hanging around in his 
original position on the left, leaving a Adams-shaped hole for any 
decent attacker to slip into. This is why Koch is always so busy in all 
our games.  Roca should be moving to the middle when Adams moves up to 
give himself a better chance of cutting out those balls (something 
Kalvin was very good at).  This is down to coaching, and just one 
example of how teams find it easy to get through us.  I have watched 
every Leeds game this season, and the amount of times we get caught by 
the same move is ridiculous. Again, this is something a good coach will 
see and come up with a plan to rectify it.  There is no evidence to show 
that this is been done.


BTW, there are plenty of Liepzig fans who will tell you that this was a 
feature of Marsch's time there.


There may indeed be a conspiracy against us by refs and the PL, but that 
is not why we lost yesterday.  We lost because we could not defend as a 
team. And Marsch's tactics.


But all of that is just my opinion.  Feel to disregard any or all of it 
as you please.



On 13 Nov 2022 12:52, seanscr...@aol.com wrote:
Gotta say I am so sick of the anti-American "bring back Bielsa" 
bullshit on this list. It's finally time to say something. Bielsa was 
taking us down. He was an incredible manager for a mid-level 
Championship team because he had the ability to (a) improve the team's 
professionalism and attitude (b) improve their fitness to almost 
superhuman levels (at some cost to the players' long-term health) and 
(c) play with tactics that Championship managers weren't used to 
facing. But that only worked to a lesser degree in the Premier League, 
where (a) everyone is super-professional, (b) everyone is super-fit 
and (c) the managers are the best in the world (and so are the 
players). By last season the players were done and we were dropping 
like a stone back towards the Championship, getting absolutely 
hammered every week. Marsch rescued us. It wasn't pretty, but it worked.


The reason Spurs scored one more goal than us yesterday is that their 
first goal was the result of two blatant fouls: one by the goalscorer 
Harry Kane pushing Tyler Adams (in much the same way that Bamford did 
against Arsenal, except that Bamford was penalized and Kane wasn't); 
and the second on Meslier, who was pushed into the back of his net and 
then sat upon, preventing him from being in position to actually save 
Kane's shot. I would argue that this was classic "big six refereeing," 
in which the Premier League feels invested in ensuring that the six 
clubs around which it bases its global marketing remain competitive 
for the top spots in the league throughout the season. Kane was also 
helped by a long tradition in the Premier League of granting the 
England captain more leeway than other players (going back at least to 
Alan Shearer kicking opponents in the head and getting away with it). 
Oh, and Spurs' fourth goal came from a throw-in given to them when the 
ball clearly came off the leg of a Spurs player.


All the anti-Americans said Marsch's football wouldn't score goals. 
We've outscored our opponents 9-8 in the last three games. It wouldn't 
win games, they said. We've won two of our last three and were in 
position to win the third with fewer than ten minutes to go. It 
wouldn't be exciting, they said. If you haven't found the last three 
games exciting, maybe you should take up skydiving instead.


Yes, our defence is a problem. I would argue a major factor behind 
that is that Bielsa's hand-picked left back, Junior Firpo, is crap. 
Marsch realizes this and doesn't play him, which, because we are so 
weak in that position, means we have to play arguably our best 
centre-half as left back. Until the club spend some money on very good 
defenders, we're probably going to continue to suffer results like 
yesterday on a regular or semi-regular basis.







-Original Message-
From: Greg Adams 
To: Leeds List 
Sent: Sat, Nov 12, 2022 12:14 pm
Subject: [LU] Spuds

Well, that was great. We had a big chance of getting something today,
but stupid, naive defending gifted the spuds enough chances which they
finally took.

We were second best, but some good play by individuals gave us a

[LU] Spuds

[Greg Adams]

Well, that was great. We had a big chance of getting something today, 
but stupid, naive defending gifted the spuds enough chances which they 
finally took.


We were second best, but some good play by individuals gave us a 
chance.  Spurs were there for the taking, but no team can defend like 
that against any PL team, let alone a so-called top six one. This team 
does not know how to defend. The first two goals were the result of 
sloppy play by us.  I did not see the third and fourth.


It's time to let the clown go.  His 'tactics' are a joke. There are 
enough decent players in the squad for us to be much better than this. 
Just look at how many times there are three Leeds players pressing one 
opponent and still do not win the ball or stop the player from playing 
the ball out.  It's already been pointed out by many on this list that 
we are easy to attack out wide,yet we persist with two midfielders - one 
of whom is useless defensively and the other is permanently in headless 
chicken mode.


Ah, fuck it. I'm too pissed off.  I want this guy and his penisball 
out.  Hopefully we can find someone who at least has a clue of how to 
manage in a top rated league.


Bring back Bielsa.


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Re: [LU] Palace from the TV

[Greg Adams]

For me, the most telling moment of the match was when the palace player 
was getting medical attention on the pitch, Viera had his players on the 
sideline instructing them on what he wanted them to do.  Marsch? Arguing 
with the 4th official.


I've watched all the matches this season, and I can't figure out what 
the plan is, or if there is a plan at all.  This squad is good enough to 
finish mid-table, but, IMHO, Marsch is not up to scratch.  This league 
requires more than just talk.


On a lighter note, I see steve bruce has been sacked again. Jesus 
Christ, how does he even get a job anywhere? Maybe there is hope for 
Jesse yet, just not here.



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Re: [LU] Any reports?

[Greg Adams]

If those are the stats, then I guess it does not include the Brighton 
game.  But that is not what bothered me on Saturday. His passing was 
terrible, normally he has about a 50% completion rate, but Saturday I 
can't remember one pass that went to a Leeds player.  I like Rodrigo.  I 
think he is an intelligent player. His runs are good, and he mostly 
makes good decisions.  Even his passing attempts are good, it's just 
that the ball is always just behind, too soft, too short etc.


On 29 Aug 2022 16:24, Paul Cundell wrote:
I agree with Rob's analysis of Rodrigo but I'm surprised to see that 
the stats don't back our impressions up.
Against Wolves, he had 3 shots and 1 goal but in the following three 
games he has had 5 shots per game and scored 3 goals in total. So he's 
actually pretty consistent on shots and goals. An average of 4.5 shots 
and 1 goal per game is pretty good, we'll see if this continues over a 
better sample size but if that's what JM sees perhaps that's why he 
persists with him.


On Mon, 29 Aug 2022, 14:44 Robert Heath,  wrote:

Rodrigo is the most frustrating player I've seen in a Leeds shirt for
years. Maddeningly inconsistent. I think Marsch needs to be able to
recognise when he's having one of his (way too frequent) off days
and drag
him off asap, but that also aint gonna happen.


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Re: [LU] Any reports?

[Greg Adams]

I'm still reasonably confident we'll stay up with this squad, but the 
first half was dreadful from us.  Marsch said afterwards the plan was to 
get balls into the Brighton half quickly and then play from there, but 
the players did not execute properly, which worries me slightly. That 
type of hoofball has been proven to be a failure in this league, and it 
is just shit football. Time after time the ball was lost to Brighton.  
Our front four ran around a lot but could not hold on to the ball to 
make any meaningful attack on goal. Brighton sat deep and won all the 
loose balls and attacked down both flanks exposing Struik (not a left 
back) and Rasmus (a right back, but not very good). Only Meslier and 
their poor finishing kept us in the game.


Second half we started to hold the ball better, which led to plenty of 
possession and a few half chances. But Brighton always looked like they 
would score and so it turned out.  Again down the flank, with Struik 
drawn towards the center leaving a man free on the outside and a cross 
from our right.  Brighton sat back after they scored and we had one or 
two chances - Sinisterra at the far post and Rodrigo(?) who blazed over. 
We could and should have got a point, but Brighton were the better team 
overall.


On the plus side, Adams did not give the ball as much as the previous 
three games and Sinisterra looked good.  Koch was good again and Jack 
and Brenden had reasonable games. Klich was good again when he came on.


Downside? Rodrigo was useless.  Misplaced passes and wayward shooting 
again.  I suspect Marsch told him to shoot more. Rasmus still looks out 
of his depth in my opinion.  Llorente had one of those games where he 
falls over a lot.


I would have brought on Joffy sooner and also taken Rodrigo off for 
Summerville.


Everton on Tuesday will be a test for Marsch. The starters so far have 
done well, but there was a lack of creativity on Saturday.  I would take 
a chance with Drameh if Ayling is not ready, and also start with Klich 
instead of Rodrigo / James and play Joffy up front.  I'd be tempted to 
play Summerville instead of Brenden as well, but that may be too many 
changes.


Whatever happens, Everton are there for the taking and 3 points will 
perk us all up again.  Lose and doubts will start creeping in re 
Marsch's tactics. But we're 5th and we would all take that after 4 games 
I suspect.


MOT



On 29 Aug 2022 13:46, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist wrote:

People,
Ups & Downs: Chelsea one weekend, Brighton the next.
It will be one of those seasons!
James.
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Re: [LU] Soton thoughts from the armchair

[Greg Adams]

No arguments with this.  Adams for me looks poor.  Plenty of times he 
had a second or two to control and look for a pass, but just kicked it 
away.  He does not seem able to make a decent pass.  Runs around a lot 
and gets a lot of tackles in without actually winning the ball.


In both games Kristensen has looked suspect to quick / tricky wingers.  
He also loses his man too easily. Not much of a threat going forward 
either for all his stats and reputation.


Roca is very slow.  Looks to make a pass, but has not yet been able to 
play a decent ball that could make a difference.  He and Adams also have 
not been able to shield the defence at all.


Aaronson is the pick of the new guys.  He should get better, but I'm not 
overly confident that the other three will.  All of them seem to be way 
off playing at the speed of the PL.


I'm still on the fence re Marsch.  His tactics seem to be kick the ball 
long and run around a lot, hoping the ball breaks to us in the 
opposition half.  At times we look like Burnley under Dyche. Also it 
would have been simple to set up more defensively after going two up.  
He said he tried to do that, but pulling Harrison back has never 
worked.  He just does not defend well enough, so no surprise that their 
second came from his side.


At the moment we are getting goals solely due to the skill of the 
players, but as a team we look poor.


I'm still optimistic we'll stay up without to many problems, but Marsch 
has to get the team playing much better.


On the plus side Everton and Villa looked shit in the half that I 
watched, and I there will be other teams worse than us. Southampton were 
useless until we gave them hope, and even then it was more a case of us 
losing our composure.


Can't argue with the four points, but Like Rich, I worry about how we'll 
cope against better sides.



On 14 Aug 2022 11:51, Richard Walker via Leedslist wrote:

My first look at the new team / players as I was watching the Wolves game on my 
phone after landing at the airport and missed a lot of the game.
I thought it was a game of ups and downs for us with our strongest period being 
before the drinks break in the 2nd half. After the drinks break we seemed to 
stop playing with a few players looking like they were struggling (Roca and 
Adams in particular) and Marsch needed his subs on earlier. He has admitted to 
this afterwards which is fair. Very disappointing to lose a 2 goal league but 
any away point is useful.
Overall, I think we might have played 2 of the teams who will be involved in a 
relegation battle with us so 4 out of 6 points aint bad.
For me though, I think the tactics are suspect. I don't think our new recruits 
are doing it at the moment and although it's very early days I have grave 
concerns about Kristensen and Roca. Roca really struggled 2nd half and he lacks 
pace and looks very ordinary to me. Rasmus just looks industrial with no real 
guile to his play / defending.
Scores:
Meisler - 6. I thought he could have saved one of the goals
Kristensen - 3. Contributed nothing other than a few panic clearances
Struijk - 5. Doesn't look completely comfortable at left back but the 2nd goal 
was his (Rod knicked it) and he got through a lot of work.
Koch - 6. Some good work
Llorente - 6. Likewise but desperate defending at times
Adams - 4. Looks very lightweight to me. For their first goal he just gave up.
Roca - 3. Didn't contribute much after the first 25 mins.
Aaronson - 7. Lively without threatening.
Rodrigo - 7. Poor first half but then came alive.
Bamford - 3. injured again
Harrison - 7. I thought he was our best player throughout.
Subs:
Klich - looked lively again off the bench.
Sinisterra - also lively


Unbeaten in 2 but I think we'll get tonked by any of the top 6 teams. Hope I'm 
wrong.
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[LU] Times have changed

[Greg Adams]

In what seems like a gazillion years ago, I joined this list on the day 
Thomas Brolin signed.  The first post was from Helen Hamshaw(?): 'We 
have a new player!'


The amount of posts generated that day was huge.

It was a great intro to what would turn out be be the most entertaining, 
funny, diverse, (downright subversive at times) list I have ever been a 
part of.  For a while at least.


These days a 25m signing rates no posts at all.

I blame society.

Greg

Azanian Whites


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Re: [LU] Big debate with myself about tempting fate

[Greg Adams]

I saw that too. Seemed to me like it was a case of  if MB decides to 
leave, he (Fonseca) would be an option. I don't know if Leeds have 
spoken to him or not.


I don't see MB leaving this season, but he might decide to call it a day 
and head back to Argentina after next season. Facts are that he has 
stayed here the longest, and genuinely seems happy here, and, crucially 
the team has not slowed down / digressed to any extent, which may be an 
indicator that he can take them further (with a few upgrades).


More interesting for me is when he does decide to go, who would be a 
good fit to take over after him?


Greg

Azanian Whites


On 12 May 2021 09:51, Damian Walsh wrote:

... But in the end I decided to post anyway :)

Am I the only person who saw the press (specuation?) linking the soon-to-be
ex-Roma manager with Leeds?

Or are we all all keeping quiet in the hope that it will go away?

Damian
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[LU] Could not have said it better

[Greg Adams]

George Caulkin in The Athletic (standing in for Phil Hay while he has 
his op):



"They ran Spurs to distraction, they harassed and intercepted, they 
nipped at toes, they recycled possession, sprinted forward and left 
chasms behind, offering hope in the same way that cats give mice a 
glimpse of freedom as they bat them from paw to paw. It is a savage 
illusion."



Greg (Can't stop laughing at big team spurs)

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[LU] Spurs - Really disappointing...

[Greg Adams]

.. that mourinho was not there anymore.  I would have loved to see him 
schooled like that by Bielsa 😁.


I see a few "pundits" are suggesting spurs should go for MB. They just 
don't get it, do they?


Almost perfect performance. Koch the MOTM for me, but everyone played 
very well.  Good to see the return of Klich.


Greg

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Re: [LU] The t-shirt

[Greg Adams]

I don't see it that way. To me it seemed like an invitation for the pool 
players, etc to join in the protest. Nobody was forcing them to wear it 
or say anything.


How would it be used as a rod to beat us? And by whom?

Who cares about how Liverpool feel about it? Nobody would have known if 
klopp had not had a rant about it in the interview. Klopp is a dick and 
does this all the time. He could just have said no comment and left it 
until he "had more information".


Did it really distract the team?

I would like to think that this team, with this manager, would not have 
been too fussed if the boot was on the other foot.


Not picking on you, James, just want to know your reasoning.

Of course, this could just be Orta trolling them, which I am all for 😁

Greg

Azanian Whites


On 21 Apr 2021 13:05, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist wrote:

That t-shirt was a risky move.
Yes, we drew, but if we lost, it would have been used as a rod to beat us with. 
 Hard to believe that Bielsa was happy doing this due to the risks inherent in 
the move.  Was he overruled?  It distracted the team from the job at hand: 
beating the Merseyside Reds etc.
Liverpool are right to be annoyed with them being left in their dressingroom 
afterwards.  What would they have done with it if they had won the game?
Put the shoe on the other foot - how would we have felt with a cheap move like 
that?
James.
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[LU] Live stream

[Greg Adams]

Anyone know of where I can watch today's match online?

Greg

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Re: [LU] 1-0 forest

[Greg Adams]

Anyone know if there is a live video stream available?

Greg

On 01 Jan 2019 17:11, Matt Anderson wrote:

Absolute howler. Again.

Would be nice to not gift every team a couple of goal start before storming 
back to win

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Re: [LU] Forest

[Greg Adams]

Cheers, Dave.  Thanks as always for the reports.  Am I right in thinking 
TC always plays the 4-2-3-1 formation? Is there any indication that the 
team is switching formations in the games?


Greg


On 02 Jan 2018 13:05, nat...@sky.com wrote:

A bit late with this one - yesterday was a long day and all the beer, morphine 
and lack of buses did not do me a lot of good !
Anyway on to the game. One of those really mixed games, some good stuff, some 
very poor and at the end of it all two points dropped. It is hard when the 
opposition do not want to play - they stuck lots of men behind the ball and 
were niggly, dirty but very hard working throughout. This showed up our lack of 
guile and ingenuity. As others have said we need a quality midfield player - 
O'Kane and Phillips are too similar and both too lacking in certain areas. I 
thought the ref did us no favours - not sure how their number 2 (someone told 
me it was ex Leeds player Eric Lihaj) stayed on the pitch and the ref seemed to 
let a lot of stuff go but then managed to book Pontus for a tackle that looked 
fine from my spot, and then booked Saiz for arguing when he was definitely 
fouled in my view.
None of that takes away the fact that we were disappointing for much of the 
game and whilst we always hoped and even thought we might score we were never 
really believing that we would. Again set pieces looked to be our best outlet 
but none of them quite worked out. First half the only real chance we had was a 
corner that Pontus headed with power but straight at the keeper who spilled it 
to Roofe who could only hook it over the bar
Second half we did step it up at times and Roofe and Hernandez both should have 
scored when brilliant football by the mercurial Saiz (we cannot afford to lose 
him!) put them through on goal - Roofe hit the bar and Hernandez shot at the 
keeper. Lasogga also came close with a header from a cross by Sacko but it was 
just too high for him to get any power
We were also guilty of some awfully wayward shooting - Phillips started this on 
the 47th minute when he blasted one high wide and not very handsome from a 
hundred yards out - ridiculous. His next attempt was closer both in where he 
shot from and where it ended up. Saiz, Roofe and Lassogga also had attempts 
from long range that threatened the crowd more than the goal
At the other end Felix made three saves - a decent one in the first half, a 
good one that he tipped over the bar, and an everyday one that he parried out 
to our defender (thankfully) as Forest made no real attempt to win the game.

So a poor start to the New year especailly when coupled with the defeat at Brum 
- of the last six matches these were the two real bankers and yet we only got 
one point from the six , thankfully we got 12 points from the other four. Two 
games without a goal is also not great to say the least.

The 'wave your scarves' project looked decent again but not sure if it is going 
to be 'our thing' or if indeed we want it to be. I thought the crowd were very 
loud early doors but the atmosphere died as our football failed to impress.
The fans have done their bit - another 30k plus crowd turning out to watch a 
game that was live on Sky so now it is over to Orta and Radz etc to make the 
most of the transfer window. I have heard lots of managers say that the January 
is hard and Orta in his long interview made the same points and indicated that 
we would not be planning to do much business in the window. Having said that we 
are still (just) in the play off position and only 6 pts off second (Wolves are 
untouchable) so if we can bring in the right couple of players we could make 
sure of a play off place minimum and that could be enough to get us up - the 
play offs being a bit of a lottery and anyone can win them (OK apart from us 
given our last four play off results - losing 3 finals and one semi!)
Anyway Happy New Year to all on the list and Leeds United fans wherever you are 
ALAW as they say !
Dave



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Re: [LU] Monk resigned

[Greg Adams]

Barcelona?


On 25 May 2017 15:19, Paul Tweney wrote:

Palace more likely.
Maverick


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
 Original message From: Andy Brown  Date: 
25/05/2017  13:53  (GMT+00:00) To: {broken-address} 
 Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org, 
mister@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LU] Monk resigned
Aresenal?

Sent from my iPhone


On 25 May 2017, at 13:39, {broken-address} 
 wrote:

Potentially disastrous. How on earth did Radrizzani screw this up? Have the bookies 
suspended betting on Karanka yet? Prepare yourselves for another "transitional" 
season.


Sean



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Subject: [LU] Monk resigned

That's a blow.  :-(
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Re: [LU] Salutes , Nazi and others

[Greg Adams]

Jesus, Seriously WTF???

On 19-02-2013 21:25, Robert Woodmansey wrote:

I have heard lots of theories over the years about the origin of the Nazi 
salute. Was it Roman ?

Did saluting originate from knights lifting their visor prior to a contest ?

I have a simpler theory. In raising an open hand with the palm clearly visible 
shows that the person offering the salute has no weapon in their hand.
It is simply a greeting "I mean you no harm" , think of all those Westerns " 
How".

Did Allan Shearer give a Nazi Salute when he scored ? No it was a simple act of 
jubilation.

Yes they used to give Nazi salutes in the South Stand, fingers pointed , with 
the requisite lateral motion of the arm. I don't think this was intended to be 
anything other than offensive. I used to find it irritating more than anything, 
spending the afternoon stood on your seat to make sure that your new Jaeger 
cable knit didn't get soiled on the seat was fair enough but the gesticulation 
was a distraction and it stretched the elbows in your pringle.

Im not event going to discuss deportations from Italy now when I endured 90 
minutes of Crawley Town vs Doncaster last night in frost. There was no evidence 
of saluting or deportations , but if you were going to hunt down illegals 
Crawley would be a good place to start as it is both a shit hole and close to 
an airport.







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Re: [LU] [non-LU] I love it when people argue about religion

[Greg Adams]

Post of the year (so far) Ian.

And good to hear from Gav.

Greg

On 10-01-2013 1:50, Ian Murray wrote:

I'm agnostic nowadays. I used to have pretty strong faith but to be honest I've 
lost a lot of it recently. I think a lot of what you say about junkies being 
clean, and so on, is just a social thing. Religion gives their life meaning, 
which is what they previously looked for in drugs. They feel a sense of 
belonging etc.

There's not much (anything) that Christ said that I disagree with, but I am not 
as sure as I used to be about things. I won't go into it but a few things have 
happened in my life where previously I have looked to religion and found solace 
- but recently I've looked for it and felt nothing, except a void. I don't know 
- I hope it comes back.

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On 9 Jan 2013, at 17:43, "Gav Burnage"  wrote:




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Re: [LU] Daft request f.a.o overseas Listers!

[Greg Adams]

Classic! Count me in. Cape Town, South Africa.

Greg

Oh, yeah, and happy christams, etc. Ah jeez, too much too drink already :)

On 24-12-2012 13:52, Ted wrote:

One of my mates (in Hull) is a Hull City season ticket holder.  Recently he
showed me his new pride and joy that someone had bought him for his
birthday - a Hull City dressed Garden Gnome.  Last Saturday my mate went on
a three week holiday to India...

(You can guess where this is going!)

I have now "liberated" this gnome from my mate's secure" back garden.  He
will now be going on a (hopefully) world-wide tour trying to find his owner.

I would like any overseas listers (or anyone in a far flung corner of
UK) to do me a great favour - if I supply a picture and some text - would
anyone be willing to post (via snail mail) a letter/postcard from their own
town/city/country?? (so as the letter will have "a foreign" postmark on it)

Childish I know but...

If anyone would be willing to help - would you email me at
tedhea...@gmail.com and let me know the location you'd be sending the
letter/postcard from?

Little things please little minds!!

Thanks in advance.

Ted H
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Re: [LU] list down?

[Greg Adams]

I've been on since 7 november 1995.  I remember it well as the day tomas 
brolin signed.  My first post from from one of the then BOTLs - Helen 
Hamshaw(?) - "we've got a new player". Cue many hilarious attempts at 
getting a chant going for our new "superstar".  Little did we know...


Greg
Azanian Whites

On 28-03-2012 11:00, Peter Castlehouse wrote:

Allegedly eh DRB?  You are the dogs bollocks when it comes to sarcasm, as
always :)


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Behalf Of David Brennan
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To: 'leedslist@gn.apc.org'
Subject: Re: [LU] list down?

I think I've been on here since 94.  Found it via the rec.sport.soccer
newsgroup I believe.

In those early (pre Netscape?) internet days it was a very popular
recreational news group, along with those alt.binaries.pictures groups which
contained a range of interesting images.  But it wasn't like today, you had
to down load the files in parts and manually concatenate - or so I'm told
:-/

DRB
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Re: [LU] new manager?

[Greg Adams]

I'm not a Grayson fan - I thought he could do better, but I cannot see 
anyone else who will do a better job.  We might get a small improvement 
over the short term, but as long as Bates is there and we have a weak 
manager, , we will struggle.
My main beef with Grayson is that he did not stand up for the club he 
apparently loves. If he really felt for the club, he could have spoken 
out against the way Bates and Harvey are running the club.  He would 
have been sacked, but would have been a hero in our eyes.  In effect, he 
is guilty of being a "good german" while the club is being fucked over.  
So I have no sympathy for him.
My hope is that we get a manager who is strong enough and clever enough 
to start a new dynasty a la The Don and Wilko.  That is what we need 
more than promotion.  I think that such a manager could provide a spark 
which will galvanize the team and fans, which might prompt a bid from 
someone for the club.  For Leeds United it is not enough to be one of 
the numbers in the premier league.  We have to be among the players, 
challenging for honours, playing a significant role in the title race, 
etc.  We are a big club, and should have a big club mentality.  The only 
way for that to happen, is for a reboot, a re-build of this club.  A 
manager with vision to get the team playing will be a start.  Then the 
fans can work on getting rid of bates.

Imho of course.

Greg
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On 01-02-2012 16:23, Richard Naef wrote:

Well if Bates really does want to destroy leeds, expect Brian Kidd.

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Re: [LU] Delph

[Greg Adams]

Only if you stay away because the product is poor can he use this 
excuse.  If it is made clear that people are staying away as a protest 
against Bates and for the well-being of the club, then that excuse does 
not work.  It would look like this tremendous sacrifice that the fans 
are making to save their club.
You would have to get a significant number - preferably everyone to stay 
away for at least two games for the effect to be felt.  As you pointed 
out, 2 million a game will make a huge dent in his pocket.  Does anyone 
on this list who attends games regularly think it could be done?


Greg

On 21-01-2012 21:45, Paul Cundell wrote:


If we keep on going to games we line his pockets, if we stop going he can 
justifiably highlight falling attendances for the lack of funds.



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Re: [LU] Disgrace.

[Greg Adams]

Dave
I agree with all you say.  I just wonder whether grayson is the issue?  
Maybe a better manager/coach will be able to get more out of the squad 
we have and also engender a more positive feeling among the players.


I know its easy for me sitting here in sunny Azania (38 degrees C, no 
wind, going to jump in the pool after this), but would it not be better 
to try and organize a boycott of one or two games?  Could it be done? 
That would soon show bates that the fans mean business, as it would hit 
him in the pocket.  It would mean a complete empty stadium, which would 
take a lot of cajoling, but would imho, be worth it if it gets Bates 
out.  I am not convinced that he is the sole problem, but I do think 
that while he is there, we will struggle to progress.


To pre-empt the posts saying we should support the team, and that a 
boycott will affect them - fuck them.  Most of them would leave for more 
money, higher league, etc in a flash.  Maybe it time for a revolution.


I feel for you guys that pay to go watch the team every week.  I don't 
know what I would do if I was in your shoes.


Greg

On 18-01-2012 14:09, DAVID NATTAN wrote:

Hence what I said about us not being able to convince them that we are likely 
to be able 


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Re: [LU] Disgrace.

[Greg Adams]

On 18-01-2012 13:23, DAVID NATTAN wrote:

Whilst you have a point about not knowing the full story, the FACT remains that 
Kilkenny and Johnson were not offered what they thought they were worth last 
season, and White and Clayton have both refused to sign the contracts put to 
them so far. Howson also rejected a new contract - this would indicate that we 
are unwilling or unable to pay the 'going rate'Players are always going to go 
to 'better' teams and want to play at a higher level but for some reason we are 
not able to convince them of our ambition to make it to that higher level

Or maybe they just want out.  Which is more worrying since that would 
imply that they do not want to play for grayson or do not rate him or 
something similar. It might be just a money issue, but I find it hard to 
believe that all of these players you mentioned would go for money 
alone. I would be willing to bet, that if they thought we have a chance 
of premier league footy next season, some of them would stay.


Greg
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Re: [LU] Subject now is "Ye Liste Meete of olde"

[Greg Adams]

I joined the day we signed Tomas Brolin!  Jesus, I'm old.

Greg

On 11-01-2012 17:45, Andy Clayton wrote:

The latest I would have joined is 97, I think it was 95 or 96, so yes, possible.

Andy C

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On 11 Jan 2012, at 15:21, "Kitching, Mark"  wrote:


I'm sure I joined the list when I was at Uni but that would have been 14 years 
ago, does that sound right?!

MarkK.

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Re: [LU] our next manager ?

[Greg Adams]

Yes, but  he also signed joey barton who also took a dive vs arsenal and 
is an all round nasty piece of work - much worse than johson imho.  So 
how does that make colin a good guy?


As for those who only watch Leeds - do you guys actually like football 
at all?


Just curious...

Greg

On 09-01-2012 13:26, McWilliams, Brendan, VF-Group (bmcwill) wrote:


Warnock is despised by many but I suspect all the teams he's managed loved him 
and I for one would have no objections to him. I doubt he'd suffer muppets like 
Becchio very long.  He had the cojones to call Johnson a cheat, and he clearly 
took a dive.






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Re: [LU] Prediction

[Greg Adams]

I only do live betting and then only on the changes. So for instance 
when Burnley were leading 1-0 with about 10 minutes to go I bet on Leeds 
winning at 15 to 1.  Made me quite a bit.


Greg

On 06-01-2012 15:11, Ian Murray wrote:

I have a betfair account and only bet on the 'certainties'. From my initial £10 
stake in October 2010 I now have £10.53. In your face, Betfair!

Sent from my iPhone

On 6 Jan 2012, at 12:42, Ted  wrote:


Ian wrote:
Ted - it's that much cos it won't happen!

Hope it does mind!


Never say never!!  I've had a couple of decent wins recently so I think a 
speculative £3 is worth it!

Burnley away: Burnley winning first half - Leeds winning game: 25/1
Burnley home: Draw half-time - Leeds winning: 9/2

These were to recoup the money I put on a Leeds straight win v Barnsley at home 
and Reading at home!

Ted H

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Re: [LU] Gary Speed - LEGEND!

[Greg Adams]

I'll second this.  I don't want to hear why he had to die.  Let whatever 
demons / shit / pain made him do this die with him.


Ever since I heard, I have been alternating between extreme sadness and 
rage.  As someone has already pointed out, he was one of the few things 
Leeds United we could still be proud of.


Greg
Azanian Whites


On 28/11/2011 00:56 AM, John Lee wrote:

Couldn't believe what I was hearing - "there'll now be a minute's silence for Gary 
Speed!" What?? I only saw him on TV yesterday, but yes, it's true. Shocking doesn't 
cover it. Really sad and upsetting.
  
I was there on his debut - 6 May 89 in a drab 0-0 against Oldham - day after my birthday and weren't we always playing Oldham in the 80s? From then on Gary Speed was part of a team which lit up our lives! That midfield - Strachan, MacAllister, Batty and Speed - Jesus, it was like the second coming! Speed didn't score tap-ins - he scored from towering headers, or screamers from the edge of the box; he would defend as if his life depended on it, and boy could he tackle! He was a thorough-bred, the quiet man of the team, an Adonis and he typified everything we wanted to be! He was pure class!
  
Whatever the cause of this was, and I genuinely wish we never find out, he'll be in Leeds hearts forever. Peace, Love and United!

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Re: [LU] LU: Today's games

[Greg Adams]

Yeah, me.  I'm actually beginning to freak out a bit.  I can't imagine 
what I'll do if we get promoted.


Up to second at the mo'.  Unbelievable :-)

Greg

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On 18/12/2010 18:40 PM, Nigel Sykes wrote:

Anyone getting giddy yet?



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[LU] Somma

[Greg Adams]

http://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/soccer/article769319.ece/Pitso-is-hot-on-Somma



 Pitso is hot on Somma


Nov 18, 2010 6:55 AM | By Billy Cooper, Sapa



 The honeymoon is over for new Bafana Bafana head coach Pitso
 Mosimane, but he has found a "fox in the box" in the form of his
 new striker Davide Somma.


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Davide Somma of South Africa and Eric Lichaj of the USA during the 
Nelson Mandela Challenge match between South Africa and United States of 
America at Cape Town Stadium on November 17, 2010 in Cape Town
Davide Somma of South Africa and Eric Lichaj of the USA during the 
Nelson Mandela Challenge match between South Africa and United States of 
America at Cape Town Stadium on November 17, 2010 in Cape Town

/Photograph by: Peter Heeger/
/Credit: Gallo Images/

Speaking after Bafana were unlucky to be beaten 1-0 by an experimental 
United States side in the Nelson Mandela Challenge played at a packed 
Cape Town Stadium on Wednesday night, Mosimane said he was happy with 
his side, especially Leeds United forward Somma, Belgium based 
midfielder Daylon Claasen and the talented Orlando Pirates midfielder, 
Andile Jali.


It was Mosimane´s first defeat in four matches in charge of Bafana since 
he took over from Brazilian Carlos Alberto Parreira after the World Cup 
finals. This was also the first goal Bafana have conceded under Mosimane.


"We had to lose sometime and this is not a train smash. We learnt a lot 
about ourselves against a tough US side," said Mosimane afterwards.


Somma (25) excelled on his debut and had the fans and media singing his 
praise, despite coming off early in the second half and showed he has 
the muscle and the skills to mix it at international level.


He will give Mosimane more options and variety in attack that has been 
lacking in Bafana for some years.


"Somma has a future with Bafana and he showed he has talent. He is like 
a predator in that penalty area. "I have a new fox in the box. I was 
pleased with him and he is in my plans for the future," said Mosimane.


Somma was given a standing ovation when he was replaced early in the 
second half by Sthembiso Ngcobo and has upped the competition for 
strikers in the national set-up that has been lacking for years.


Now the likes of injured Katlego "Killer" Mphela and Bernard Parker are 
no longer automatic choices.


Despite losing to a sucker goal five minutes from time netted by 
teenager Juan Agudelo, Mosimane was not complaining. "The object of this 
friendly was to give players like Somma, Claasen and Jali some game time 
and I was happy with what I saw."


But Mosimane admitted he could have given another debutant, Mamelodi 
Sundowns midfielder Matthew Pattison, more game time.


Pattison came on in the last three minutes to earn his first cap.

"Maybe I should have brought on Pattison earlier but I cannot play 
everyone at the same time."


Bafana outplayed the US side that are ranked 25th in the world and US 
coach Bob Bradley, admitted afterwards his side were under a lot of 
pressure.


"South Africa had us under a lot of pressure in the first half but we 
got stronger as the game went on," said Bradley.


Mosimane said he would rather lose 1-0 than play for a 0-0 draw. "I 
never saw their goal coming, but I would rather lose 1-0 against the run 
of play than defend the last few minutes and try and hold out for a draw."


Mosimane was also full of praise for his captain on the night, Steven 
Pienaar, who ran himself ragged and was replaced in the 78th minute.


"Pienaar could not run any more and had to come off. He was exhausted 
after he played a storming match against Arsenal at the weekend in the 
English Premiership. He led by example and I was delighted with his 
efforts."


Mosimane also had praise for the US.

"Give the US credit for their professionalism and their tactical 
discipline. We had a few chances but their two centre backs were 
outstanding and we just could not get through," said Mosimane.


The Bafana coach also refused to blame Kenyan referee Silvester Kirwa 
for not awarding Bafana a penalty when Somma was brought down inside the 
US danger zone in the 10th minute.


"I am not sure it was a penalty so there is nothing to complain about."


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[LU] Becchio, Somma

[Greg Adams]

Just watched the goals on SSN.  The ball was clearly mis-controlled by 
Becchio and bounced off his knee into the path of Johnson.   Cue SSN 
presenter: "Becchio set up Johnson..."  WTF?


Somma has been called up by South Africa to play the USA next week.  
Looking forward to seeing him in the flesh.



Greg
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