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Pennington dreadful and Pablo had a nightmare, Saiz looked decent when he came on - most of the team just below average (points off Phillips for crap hair cut) Only positives were the 3 young lads - BPF was excellent and deserves a clean sheet before the end of the seasonPearce looked much better than on his debut - start him in all 3 games , he looks a playerO'Connor - did well and again should stay in for the 3 games , not sure if he is good enough but 3 more games will give us a clue Lucky to only lose 1-0 and we never had a shot on targetFact that we are happy-ish to keep it to one nil sums it all up Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
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2 down but I think we've been the better team despite not playing well. Forshaw and Hernandez must have been at the boxing last night because their passing as been terrible. Hernandez really annoys me when he plays like this. Just simple balls played so lazily and inaccurately. This is why he is not playing in the PL. They've got 2 guys up front who are probably the best strikers in the league and we've got a makeshift defence. Don't tell me that we didn't need some players in January. Philips is no central defender - just look at his contribution (or non-contribution) to their goal. What has happened to Klich? He's still doing ok and he is getting into good positions but doesn't look like he can buy a goal. Harrison has done nothing surely now has to go off to be replaced by Clarke. I think we can get back into this but it's always likely they will score again. 4-3 LEEDS. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
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Just got back from the maddest game I've ever seen. The ref from the start was poor. I thought they could have had a couple of pens but overall the ref just kept getting decisions wrong and missinges blatant fouls. I think Villa are a decent team. Grealish and McGinn are tricky and inventive in midfield and at the back I think they are really strong with Tuanzebe who looked strong and quick. On one occassion in the first half he took the ball from his own box right through to our box showing amazing speed and strength. One thing to remember is that their top scorer and most dangerous player Tammy Abraham wasn't playing today. Cooper was booked for a strong tackle on Grealish and it's fair to say that Grealish doesn't like it up him. He's one of those players that you can easily knock off their game and today he wasn't that effective although you could still see his ability. We had a few chances in the first half but to be honest none were clear cut and are shooting was just a continuation of Wigan ... over the bar or wide. With Forshaw and Philips both playing it took me the best part of 30 minutes to work out who had been dropped ? (Roberts) and to be honest although Forshaw and Philips both had decent games, Bamford looked isolated and we rarely threatened them. They too created little. Kiko made one decent save first half but really didn't have much to do in the 97 minutes. Second half, Bielsa made 2 good subs. Dallas was injured apparently and made way for Beradi. Why was Dallas playing left back ? He isn't a defender never mind a left back. Risky stuff from Bielsa. The ineffective Harrison made way for Roberts. The Leeds goal was high drama. The Villa striker (Kodja ??) when down after a challenge with Cooper and the ball went to Roberts who looked like he was going to put it out but instead he poked it forward to the unmarked Klich who took it on and scored. He still had a lot to do. Yes the Villa players stopped but my opinion is that the goal was valid. We were then treated to 10 minutes of pushing, barging and arguing as the ref just stood back and observed. It looked like there was a skirmish on the touchline as well with Bielsa already on a yellow. When the game was restarted I thought it was weird seeing 3 Villa players standing side by side next to the ball as they kicked off. They ran the ball forward unchallenged then Jansson made a half hearted attempt to tackle but we let them score. I've never seen that before. So here's my opinion. Our goal was valid and we should not have let them score. How many times have we been on the receiving end of bad decisions through the years ? The Villa forward had been throwing himself to the ground all game and continued to get up and play on. How were we to know that this was any different (he did go off after this) ? In the pub afterwards there were quite a few angry folk giving Bielsa stick as he was doing his Sky press conference. Would Bielsa have done the same if we had needed 3 points for promotion ? Who knows. With Roberts on second half and Villa down to 10 men as a result of the melee we started to stretch them but time and time again the ball went into the box from Ayling and cleared easily. We did make their keeper make a decent save late on but I never felt we were gonna score. Overall, it was probably a fair result but I wouldn't fancy our chances against this lot at Wembley. Scores: Kiko - 7. One good save first half but v.little to do other than some standard collects. Ayling - 7. He got forward a lot in both halves but his quality was low. Dallas - 6. Didn't do a lot wrong playing completely out of position. Tried to get forward with Harrison first half but it didn't really happen. Jansson - 6. I thought he really had to battle hard first half and didn't always win his battles. Cooper - 7. Steady and solid. Klich - 7. Good goal and hopefully that will give him some of his lost confidence in front of goals back. Hernandez - 7. Lively as always but all his shots were high / wide. Just couldn't break Villa down. Philips - 7. Put in some good work and good last ditch tackles. Forshaw - 7. Was busy and covered a lot of ground. Had a couple of have decent efforts. Bamford - 4. Isolated and ineffective. I haven't seen the sending off incident but there were a few in the pub saying it was disgusting, Harrison - 3. Very poor. Subs: Roberts - 8. Did ok but against a knackered 10 men. Beradi - 7. Steady at right back. Bielsa - wins all the plaudits for his actions but for me we take the goal and f'ck em. Nobody ever does Leeds any favours. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
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Mr Pilling, may I salute you for your synopsis of the Villa v WBA game, but you missed an undeniably moment of sporting behaviour when Smith (who I get to dislike more as each week passes) tried to get Gayle sent off in the first half! Ref was truly awful - how the fuck was Gayle supposed to avoid that collision with the keeper when he was making a genuine challenge for the ball? Villa (their players and manager) are an absolute disgrace in my opinion. Their diving and feigning of injury would put most Italian teams to shame in that department. As for our beloved mighty whites, totally dominant for much of the game, but same old same old and very little end product. Great performances by the vast majority of the team IMO. I stopped trying to second guess MB months ago, but I suggest last night would make it very difficult for him to drop Dallas, Berardi, Shackleton or Roofe for the 2nd leg. I still expect a nerve shredding night on Wednesday - 1.45 a.m kick off here in the land of smiles. MOT. Rogerre ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
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In the first half it was clear we were witnessing a 2nd tier contest. The ball was given away by both teams regularly with sloppy unforced poor passing much of the time. We were guilty of that more than Villa and resorted to our old style hoofing with long passes - I thought Monk had changed us into a passing team? It is though, in my view, the mild panic tactics of a team that are being pressured and outplayed and in some ways are more comfortable without the ball than with it. We could barely get out of our own half for spells without any great threat from Villa. They harried us in our own half which seemed part of the reason, we did not do that to them - perhaps that was part of the master plan to conserve energy?. After 20 minutes, I couldn't see anything else than a Villa win, it was a matter of time. In the 2nd half we were a different team and the close, tight and short passing regime seemed to be restored allowing us to put some pressure on Villa and ultimately, the goals and win. We appear not to get down hearted when we are playing badly and keep the faith. This is a huge attribute that I hope we don't need to rely on too often. Villa have been on a good run recently and I'm relieved we survived the first half when we were out-passed much of the time and relied on a pretty solid defence. So up to 4th which is pretty good, but I have grave concerns that some teams like Villa can upset our style and force us into an unrehearsed plan B. After all, it's the team that adapts best to the opposition that usually rules the roost. I'm not Rob Green fan and would always select Silvestri instead, but hats off to him today, he was solid and made some good saves. I thought Luke Ayling deserves a special mention too, he was everywhere! Isn't it strange to think that our Anfield performance gained us so much credit and we lost and against Villa we turned it round and won. Maybe we just couldn't adapt to Liverpool's speed and style but, in the end, got the measure of Villa. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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The first half wasn't good entertainment. It was attritional. Sometimes you've got to grind through those things. I don't think Villa will be any more happy with that half than we would be. Chances were scant...although Pontus should have buried that header. Second half was much better...is that because we wore them down in the first...they did a lot of chasing and closing down. Glad for Roofe, lovely headed finish, that was all about the run between defenders and a cracking ball in from Doukara who had been somewhere between poor and anonymous for the previous 70 minutes. The second goal...what do you say about Sacko...mostly shit, quite fast (although he never got away from his full back yesterday) then he runs through like this, almost stumbles...should bury it, instead, squeezes it through the keepers legs...it might just have got over the line if no one else had got to it, but Wood had to make sure given a defender was closing in to clear. Fair play to Wood. Thought all the defence was solid, especially Ayling. Somebody - Monk - needs to have a word with Pontus, never mind the fannying about on the edge of his own box...that is bad enough, but centre halfs don't need to be picking up stupid yellow cards and I think he's has three in recent weeks. He's in danger of becoming a very naughty boy rather than a legend and he is a good defender who has brought material change to the team. Also thought Viera was good. He does have a few shaky moments in each game but he is getting more and more stuck in and influencing things. Still not convinced at all by Philips. 3 good points. hard earned. Up to fourth. There's no one on this list that wouldn't have taken that for the first week of December, if we'd have been offered it in August. Sent from my iPad ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Couldn't sleep last night as I reflected on what was in my opinion the best Leeds performance since the European games. It was that good and there's even an argument to say that the 2nd half was one of the best I've ever seen. Some statement but we were that good. The way we attacked with pace was devastating and Villa just couldn't live with us. Ross Barkley looked like a lower league journeyman as he wasn't allowed to have time on the ball and found himself having to do more running than he's ever done in his life. He was f*cked. I'd heard a lof good things about Luiz and how he conrols the midfield, well he certainly didn't know what hit him yesterday. Every time he got the ball, Klich and co were on him and his best efforts came from pretending to be fouled. Grealish had his moments as he always will but he plays in spurts and isnt a great team player. He's also a cheat. The foul by Stujik was a certain yellow card but if you watch it, Strujik doesn't make that much contact and there's no way it would have resulted in a player looking like he was dead for 5 mins. Also the dive for the pen was disgusting and countless other annoyances like keeping hold of the ball and not giving it back when Leeds were trying to take a free kick. He just did it to annoy, no other reason. Grade A c*nt ! Anyway, back to us and where do you start ? The inter-play down the left between Allioski and Harrison was breathtaking and Matty Cash could only wish he was back playing for Forest in the Championship. This is the big time Matty and I'm afraid you're not at the races. Harrison terrorised him and for once every cross or pass from Harrison was finding its intended target and with some better finishing from barn door Bamford we would have been 3-0 up in the first half. After that yellow card, Struijk was withdrawn after 20 minutes. I don't think Bielsa took him off because he was playing badly, I think he took him off because Villa were cheating. WIth Luiz and Grealish falling over and crying every 5 mins it was only a matter of time before they conned the ref into sending Struijk off. A blessing in disguise for me because on came Jamie Shackleton for his PL debut. For me this is the game that defined Shack. What position suits him best ? is he a defender ? Is he a midfielder ? Is he a right back ? Is he a winger? Well, tonight defined him to be a player who can harry, tackle, attack with pace, pass the ball and link up play all over the park. It also proved that we didn't need Struijk sat in front of the back four as a security blanket. Klich came deeper, Rodrigo filled in the Kilch area and we were on fire. The way we attacked was like a wave with 5 or 6 players advancing at once and then when we lost the ball we defended in a similar manner. Everyone forward, everyone back. It was brilliant and I've rarely seen a team play like that. The second half was total domination and how we only won by 3 is beyond me. Bamford's goals were all well taken but Rodrigo ran the show for me. He made the first and he looked class all night. I love players who, when they get the ball, they always look like they've got all the time in the world and nobody can touch them. Rodrigo's link up play was the best I've seen for a while. Intelligent, fast paced, skilful football. Costa to his credit, after a lacklustre first half, made himself an outlet as we attacked down the left and right. Villa just couldn't cope. Some of the one touch football had me dancing around the room (and I wasn't even drinking - trying to cut down on the lockdown excesses). Bamford's 2nd and 3rd were very well taken however you have to question the defending as 4 Villa players watched him adjust, turn and shoot. And to top it all we bring on Pablo (who should have scored) and Raphinha. Not a bad pair to bring on. Happy Days Miesler - 9. Two good saves and good distribution. Dallas - 7. I thought he looked a bit out of sorts first half playing one horrendous cross field ball straight to a Villa player. Second half he came alive and was very busy down the right wing. Looks more at home playing as a right wing back for me. Could be the best in the league in that position. Allioski - 9. Brilliant game linking up with Harrison and harrying Villa players to knick the ball. Should have done better with his chance but it was on his right foot. He's just a good little footballer Koch - 8. Uncharastic mistakes in the first half but overall his defending and balls out of defence were of good quality. Great signing. Ayling - 9. Looked like a centre back. Great goal line clearance Klich - 9. Not everything came off first half and a few flicks and passes went astray. 2nd half showed what we can look forward to with great link up play with Rodrigo. Strujik - 5. Not is fault that he got subbed but I'm glad he did. Harrison - 9. His best performance in a Leeds shirt for me. Matty Cash was ruined. If he'd bagged a goal
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Couldn't get to sleep last night after that performance. Yes I felt it was time
for Bielsa to go but not to be replaced by this, which is the worst of
Heckingbottom, Blackwell and Warnock. Marsch has a difficult job but when it
was said that he is the ideal person to replace Bielsa because he plays the
same pressing, attacking style nothing could be further from the truth.
He is trying to make us compact by packing the midfield and bringing the
wingers more central. This totally negates any attacking options we have. We
were all about fast movment from defence to attack, down the wings with
overlapping wing backs. That's gone, Bielsa ball is dead and we're left with
midfielders who are not midfielders on the ball not knowing what to do. As
performances go that's the most clueless I've seen us since the Heckingbottom
days. Ok we've suffered some bad defeats under Bielsa recently but in those
games we kept going and still created chances. We didn't create anything that
troubled their keeper last night. The crowd got on the backs of the players and
when their 3rd went in a chant of Marcelo Bielsa echoed around the ground and
then a large number of fans actually left. The ground was half empty by the
final whistle.
A bloke behind me shouted "This is the sort of shit we used to see before
Bielsa came" - he was spot on. Clueless, pedestrian with players playing out of
position. Koch is a disaster in midfield. All the fans can see it but yet the
coach can't. Bielsa was the same although I'd argue he had a specific role
('the Philips') role which is more of a sweeper whereas Marsch is playing Koch
as a fully fledged midfielder who was actually playing in an advanced role at
times and actually had one of our best chances second half. In a true central
defender playing in midfield style he blasted into the safe seating rail
section (whatever the feck that is !?).
Then we've got Ayling playing a centre back. Who told Marsch that Ayling was a
centre back ? Yes he filled in at times under Bielsa but only when we've had
injuries to most of our central defenders. Now we've got a German international
defender playing in midfield and a Spanish international defender on the bench.
Surely Ayling to right back, Koch to central defence and Dallas into midfield
would have been the obvious ?
Ayling and Struijk for me would worry me in the championship but against
Countinho and Ings we're always going to be in trouble. It could have been more
than 3. Struijk continues to disappoint me and he was skinned badly on one
occassion. I don't think he's premiership ... yet
The main problem for Marsch is that he's packing the midfield but we haven't
got any midfielders ! He's a manager who needed to get players in January to
meet his tactics. There's little point in asking Raph to play central midfield
which is where he found himself.
My overall view is of complete depression knowing that the Bielsa years are
over and we're back to this type of football. Maybe Marsch will get it right in
the Summer but I just can't see him turning this team around and playing the
tactics he wants. Bamford will help but is he fit ?
We need to get behind the players and manager for the Norwich game. THe crowd
were quick to get on their backs last night and the boos at half-time were the
loudest for many a year. There was no 2nd half rallying after the initial
promising 10 mins and we threw in the towel.
It's going to be hard.
scores:
Miesler - 7. Some decent saves to keep us in it first half
Dallas - 4. Really struggled at right back
Firpo - 1. He's been a disaster. Eitehr injured or ineffective. Always fouling
and getting booked because he doesn't know how to defend. He's njured now and I
think that's the best for the team. We have missed Allioski this season. I'dtry
to get him back but then again Marsch would probably play him in central
midfield.
Sruijk - 3. Passsing poor, defending poor. Has been poor for a few games now.
Ayling - 5. At least he put some tackles in and tried to push forward but he's
no central defender
Forshaw - 4. That was his worst game for Leeds
Koch - 2 Awful / out of position
Raphinha - 6. Our best player on the night
Rodrigo - 0. Bloody rubbish - gave the ball away everytime he got it. What a
disaster he has been and I really liked the look of him last season at times
Harrison - 1. Not much better than Rodrigo
James - 4. Lots of effort but not effective. Another player , playing out of
position
Subs:
Joffy - 5. Tried but I'm going to say this lad is not ready for the first team
yet
Klich - 0 nothing
Bamford - 5.
Happy Friday All. FFS !
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Daft enough ( or just missing lufc?) to get up a 5am to watch the game Decent enough , we look disjointed at times but with 5 players who were not at ER last season - Adams, Aaronson, Roca, Christensen snd leif Davies, what do you expect Ref appalling - gave them a penalty when did not even touch his hand but Mes rescued us with amazing double save and then another when Watkins clean through. Adams and Roca both look decent - Bamford feeding on scraps, James can’t finish ( who knew) - Villa very ‘ robust ‘ at times Ok game after slow start 0-0 at half time , about fair though they shading it with a settled side Lots of subs expected at ht and later but reasonable performance though never like to read anything into pre season friendlies - we battered Blackpool but looked dodgy in win v Roar. We are defending corners well ( kiss of death?) Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
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This game proved the old adage that one goal is never enough. We were 1 0 up for 50 minutes but we always felt that we needed that second goal and it just never came. In a game of very few clear cut chances and goalmouth incident we just could not get the second - Coopers offside header and the Saiz cross that none of the three strikers could get a touch on. It was not an exciting game, as I say, very little goal threat from either team but it was entertaining in its way. The one big plus is the fact that we did not crumble when they got the goal - last time we were one up and let the other team score we lost 1 2 (Derby) and a point is not that bad a result when you group the games together - in the four games since the break (Boro,Wolves, Barnsley and Villa) we have got 7 points which would equate to 77 points with two games to go, so just about play off form It was definitely a game of two halves, we were much the better team in the first half but they shaded the second half. It wa nice to see Pontus score and myself and the lad who stands in front of me both mentioned the new set piece coach - saying he had earned £100 for that one, we spent the rest of the game giving him bonuses (eg for the one cooper headed in) and taking money off him for the bad ones - Alisoki's in the closing minutes when it went to the keeper. In all seriousness it was good to see two set pieces end up in the net. On the Alioski free kick in the last minute why did he bring Grot on after free kick - the bloke looks poor but he is a big unit so bring him on so he can be there for the set piece causing problems We did miss Hernandez when he went off - the combination of him Siaz, Alioski and the lively Ekuban caused them some problems. Ekuban does look better than Lassogga in this set up but he really does need to score - Lassogga is a genuine goal scorer whereas Ekuban so far, does not look as if he is a 'natural goal getter'. Vieirra had his best game for us this season and Phillips was also impressive last night. So overall it was a decent enough performance and an OK result - a game we would have lost a few weeks ago The whole season is a work in progress and we need to build on it - we need to build on the Barnsley and Villa performances by picking up lots of points between now and the New Year - all winnable games QPR, Burton and Birmingham away and Hull and Norwich at home. Then assuming we do not go up through the play offs (or do not make it into the play offs) we need to keep our better players and add to it and build on this season, not start again from scratch as we have this season For those expecting a big influx of players in the January window, I think you will be disappointed, Orta has said a number of times that the January window is difficult and not many succesful transfers take place then. Hopefully we will be in the top six and then buy one or two to plug the obvious gaps Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ FLAME WARS 'R US
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Thought O'Connor was the best of the lot. Will say it again...surely Farrell has to come out for the goal. If Wiedwald did that. On Friday, April 13, 2018, 4:45:48 PM EDT, nat...@sky.com wrote: Pennington dreadful and Pablo had a nightmare, Saiz looked decent when he came on - most of the team just below average (points off Phillips for crap hair cut) Only positives were the 3 young lads - BPF was excellent and deserves a clean sheet before the end of the seasonPearce looked much better than on his debut - start him in all 3 games , he looks a playerO'Connor - did well and again should stay in for the 3 games , not sure if he is good enough but 3 more games will give us a clue Lucky to only lose 1-0 and we never had a shot on targetFact that we are happy-ish to keep it to one nil sums it all up Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
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Goal was a fair one - their forward got himself tangled up with Cooper, although Klick did look slightly offside. Villa need to learn the old adage - play to the whistle. I hope we now never EVER stop for an opposing team injury again, as we were conned! Bamford will probably get charged for cheating and be suspended - what he did was really embarrassing. He was shit before that too! There is something infuriating about him as a player - I wonder what the others think of him? Same themes as previous games - lots of possession, but actually never look like scoring as we simply hardly ever hit the target. Too much falling over by both sides, and a ref who must have left his white stick in the dressing room. One very wierd game - we should have shut up shop at 1-0 and taken the stick. Dirty Leeds! Sent from my iPad > On 28 Apr 2019, at 17:10, Richard Walker via Leedslist > wrote: > > Just got back from the maddest game I've ever seen. The ref from the start > was poor. I thought they could have had a couple of pens but overall the ref > just kept getting decisions wrong and missinges blatant fouls. > I think Villa are a decent team. Grealish and McGinn are tricky and inventive > in midfield and at the back I think they are really strong with Tuanzebe who > looked strong and quick. On one occassion in the first half he took the ball > from his own box right through to our box showing amazing speed and strength. > One thing to remember is that their top scorer and most dangerous player > Tammy Abraham wasn't playing today. > Cooper was booked for a strong tackle on Grealish and it's fair to say that > Grealish doesn't like it up him. He's one of those players that you can > easily knock off their game and today he wasn't that effective although you > could still see his ability. > We had a few chances in the first half but to be honest none were clear cut > and are shooting was just a continuation of Wigan ... over the bar or wide. > With Forshaw and Philips both playing it took me the best part of 30 minutes > to work out who had been dropped ? (Roberts) and to be honest although > Forshaw and Philips both had decent games, Bamford looked isolated and we > rarely threatened them. They too created little. Kiko made one decent save > first half but really didn't have much to do in the 97 minutes. > Second half, Bielsa made 2 good subs. Dallas was injured apparently and made > way for Beradi. Why was Dallas playing left back ? He isn't a defender never > mind a left back. Risky stuff from Bielsa. The ineffective Harrison made way > for Roberts. > The Leeds goal was high drama. The Villa striker (Kodja ??) when down after a > challenge with Cooper and the ball went to Roberts who looked like he was > going to put it out but instead he poked it forward to the unmarked Klich who > took it on and scored. He still had a lot to do. Yes the Villa players > stopped but my opinion is that the goal was valid. We were then treated to 10 > minutes of pushing, barging and arguing as the ref just stood back and > observed. It looked like there was a skirmish on the touchline as well with > Bielsa already on a yellow. When the game was restarted I thought it was > weird seeing 3 Villa players standing side by side next to the ball as they > kicked off. They ran the ball forward unchallenged then Jansson made a half > hearted attempt to tackle but we let them score. I've never seen that before. > So here's my opinion. Our goal was valid and we should not have let them > score. How many times have we been on the receiving end of bad decisions > through the years ? The Villa forward had been throwing himself to the ground > all game and continued to get up and play on. How were we to know that this > was any different (he did go off after this) ? In the pub afterwards there > were quite a few angry folk giving Bielsa stick as he was doing his Sky press > conference. Would Bielsa have done the same if we had needed 3 points for > promotion ? Who knows. > With Roberts on second half and Villa down to 10 men as a result of the melee > we started to stretch them but time and time again the ball went into the box > from Ayling and cleared easily. We did make their keeper make a decent save > late on but I never felt we were gonna score. > Overall, it was probably a fair result but I wouldn't fancy our chances > against this lot at Wembley. > Scores: > Kiko - 7. One good save first half but v.little to do other than some > standard collects. > Ayling - 7. He got forward a lot in both halves but his quality was low. > Dallas - 6. Didn't do a lot wrong playing completely out of position. Tried > to get forward with Harrison first half but it didn't really happen. > Jansson - 6. I thought he really had to battle hard first half and didn't > always win his battles. > Cooper - 7. Steady and solid. > Klich - 7. Good goal and hopefully that will give him some of his lost
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On the way to Leeds I tried to remember the last time I was so disinterested in a Leeds game - I decided the answer was probably Lazio in Chumps League when they were already out and we were already through, on that day the antics of Ravinelli turned a non event into a decent evening out. This time it was the ref and Grealish plus Villa in general I felt all week that we would lose 3 0 and the team would be booed off at half time and then by a half empty stadium at the end, and that certain players would be singled out for abuse by Leeds fans, and that the only noise would be Villa fans celebrating and taking the piss. How wrong I was after a dodgy first ten minutes when they could have scored two goals, we got our mojo back, the crowd was immense and it was all great fun Yes this game, like so many others, did show where our problems lie - namely converting our possession and (half) chances into goals, but I really enjoyed it They were the masters of 'shit-housery' (copywright Talking Shutt podcast) - diving, rolling around, dissent towards the ref etc etc. Clearly their game plan was to disrupt our rhythm and break up play - hence the fact that we did no kick it out when their player was 'injured'. As Rich says he was taken off but I said at the time that after we let them score they had to do that - imagine our reaction if he had been asking to come back on straightaway,which I think he would have done otherwise. I have moaned loads of times about teams kicking the ball out - it became such a problem a few years ago that the FA or whoever makes the rules decided it was up to the ref when it was a head injury, otherwise play on. I have no problem with opponents kicking it out when it is clear the player is injured - think David Busst or Henrik Larsson or even Alan Smith when feet are pointing the wrong way or bones sticking out etc, other than that what difference will waiting till the ball goes dead make ? So firstly I think we were well within our rights to continue to play - I have not seen it since but there is a suggestion that Roberts feigned to put the ball out then sent it down the wing - whatever it was a great finish and we celebrated it with style, a proper 'mental' . I cannot understand why we then gave them the goal back - I did not see anyone saying Man City should have missed the penatly or let the oppostion score when Stirling fell over his own feet the other week ! I do think Pontus was a bit out of order in not obeying the team orders but I think his attitude was correct Even worse once play re-started one of theirs totally and deliberatley took one of ours out - so where exactly does 'sportsmanship' and 'decency' start and finish ? I could not believe the lad (or even both of them) who grabbed Klich by the throat after the goal did not get a red, rather than the lad who (did not?) punch Bamford (agree he was bang out of order with his play-acting) Many questions raised by their goal - would they have done the same ? Would we have done it if we had needed to win ? What about if it affected other teams around Villa ? Will a team do it in the final ? Imagine us v Villa, they score an illegitimate goal - handball or yards offside and seen on the big screen etc, will Dean Smith really tell them to let us score or will he try and claim 'that is different?' Anyway back to the game, it was always spicy with Grealish showing why fans want to run on the pitch a punch his lights out ! We huffed and puffed and had some great goal mouth scrambles that really excited the capacity crowd, whilst we always looked susceptible to a swift counter attack, again as Rich says below they are a good team who looked big and strong but quick with it - a real handful We did however show that we still believe and put in a much better performance than I was expecting - with Roberts perhaps doing enough to replace Harrison on the wing for the remaining games and allowing both Forshaw and Phillips to play Although I have bought my train tickets for Wembley I do not really think we will get there and if we do it will become our 4th final defeat BUT what a season it has been and Beilsa has just added to his legend with the 'free goal' We now have 22,500 ST holders for next season and the club - (players, owners and manager) have re-connected with both the fans and the city in general, so the future does at least look happy, and as others have said I want promotion but think this Division is miles better than the Premiership So a fun day out and then a lot of beers post match as we discussed where it has gone wrong and what to do for next season As the shirt I wore yesterday said 'Keep the Faith' 'Leeds United Forever' Dave On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 17:11:38 BST, Richard Walker via Leedslist wrote: Just got back from the maddest game I've ever seen. The ref from the start was poor. I thought they could have had a couple of pens but overall the ref just kep
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A kick off time of 1.45 am - you’ll be lucky if you can see the screen :-) Agree completely about Villa’s diving - they’d shame any team. I used to rate Smith as a manager, but he’s turned into a twat with very selective vision indeed! I’m embarrased for him - hope West Brom turn them over on Tuesday. I did think Gayle was stupid and deserved a booking for his slide into the goalie. Sent from my iPad > On 12 May 2019, at 13:32, Roger Goodair via Leedslist > wrote: > > Mr Pilling, may I salute you for your synopsis of the Villa v WBA game, > but you missed an undeniably moment of sporting behaviour when Smith > (who I get to dislike more as each week passes) tried to get Gayle sent > off in the first half! Ref was truly awful - how the fuck was Gayle > supposed to avoid that collision with the keeper when he was making a > genuine challenge for the ball? > Villa (their players and manager) are an absolute disgrace in my > opinion. Their diving and feigning of injury would put most Italian > teams to shame in that department. > As for our beloved mighty whites, totally dominant for much of the > game, but same old same old and very little end product. Great > performances by the vast majority of the team IMO. > I stopped trying to second guess MB months ago, but I suggest last > night would make it very difficult for him to drop Dallas, Berardi, > Shackleton or Roofe for the 2nd leg. > I still expect a nerve shredding night on Wednesday - 1.45 a.m kick off > here in the land of smiles. > MOT. > Rogerre > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
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I thought the same about Philips, and couldn’t understand how he got the Skybet man of the match. Having watched the match again this morning, in the second half especially he was all over midfield, closing down, getting tackles in, and the cross field pass to Doukara to start the build up for the first goal was excellent. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Allen Sent: 04 December 2016 10:59 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: [LU] Villa The first half wasn't good entertainment. It was attritional. Sometimes you've got to grind through those things. I don't think Villa will be any more happy with that half than we would be. Chances were scant...although Pontus should have buried that header. Second half was much better...is that because we wore them down in the first...they did a lot of chasing and closing down. Glad for Roofe, lovely headed finish, that was all about the run between defenders and a cracking ball in from Doukara who had been somewhere between poor and anonymous for the previous 70 minutes. The second goal...what do you say about Sacko...mostly shit, quite fast (although he never got away from his full back yesterday) then he runs through like this, almost stumbles...should bury it, instead, squeezes it through the keepers legs...it might just have got over the line if no one else had got to it, but Wood had to make sure given a defender was closing in to clear. Fair play to Wood. Thought all the defence was solid, especially Ayling. Somebody - Monk - needs to have a word with Pontus, never mind the fannying about on the edge of his own box...that is bad enough, but centre halfs don't need to be picking up stupid yellow cards and I think he's has three in recent weeks. He's in danger of becoming a very naughty boy rather than a legend and he is a good defender who has brought material change to the team. Also thought Viera was good. He does have a few shaky moments in each game but he is getting more and more stuck in and influencing things. Still not convinced at all by Philips. 3 good points. hard earned. Up to fourth. There's no one on this list that wouldn't have taken that for the first week of December, if we'd have been offered it in August. Sent from my iPad ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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I thought the result was spectacular and I think we're actually capable of getting a result against anyone due to our back four which Monk has sorted. We look strong and solid and I don't think you could say that about a Leeds defence since Radebe, Woodgate and Matteo. I think we also are now playing with confidence and you can't buy that. The Liverpool game was great for us and we definitely weren't scared of a really strong Villa team who completely snuffed out Wood and Roofe for most of the game. Having said all that if I look at our performance going forward I would say we were poor. Too many stray passes, too many aimless balls and too many mistakes. We had nothing going forward that could hurt Villa which combined to produce the worst 45 minutes of football this season. That first half was bloody awful. The passing around at the back and then back to Green does my head in and although it improves our possession stats as a spectator it's so boring. Second half we improved and at least tried to get forward. I think our goal was gifted to us by their keeper but it was a great cross by Doukara and a great leap by Roofe who is pretty good in the air for a short arse. That was 1 of his 2 contributions of the match , the other ending up in the side netting. Other than that he looked like a 3rd division striker up against strong PL defenders. I think Villa were pretty poor themselves going forward and it was only when that young lad ( Grealish ?) came on that they started to look dangerous. I think if we can beat Villa with a young team like this anything is possible this season especially if we get Hernandes and Bridcutt back and we can buy a new striker in Jan. Scores Green 7. Didn't have too much to do but did it well. Nearly one bad cock up in the first half after a misunderstanding with Taylor. Ayling - 8 Bartley - 8 Jansson - 8 should have scored Taylor - 8 All the defence were strong. Vierra - 7. Battled hard Philips - 6 some good battling and some poor distribution. His set pieces are poor. Sacko-6. He's got pace and at this level that is enough to scare most defenders but his general play is so poor at times it beggars belief. Did well for the second goal. Doukara - 6. Great cross for the goal but he struggled to get involved. Not a winger. Roofe -5 . Glad he got his goal but he really struggled. Wood - 3. Yes, got his goal but I thought he was woeful. There was one occasion he had the ball moving forward and he played a lovely side footed pass straight to the Villa defender. It was awful. I really don't rate Chris Wood. Subs: can't remember who came in but Was it my imagination but did Mowatt look a bit trimmer? Hope so. One word for the ref Shite. Brighton on Friday is the next big one. We never win there but I'd be surprised if we lost given our confidence levels. Imagine if we could pas a ball, we'd be dangerous. Sent from my iPad > On 4 Dec 2016, at 09:28, David Smail wrote: > > In the first half it was clear we were witnessing a 2nd tier contest. The > ball was given away by both teams regularly with sloppy unforced poor > passing much of the time. We were guilty of that more than Villa and > resorted to our old style hoofing with long passes - I thought Monk had > changed us into a passing team? It is though, in my view, the mild panic > tactics of a team that are being pressured and outplayed and in some ways > are more comfortable without the ball than with it. We could barely get out > of our own half for spells without any great threat from Villa. They harried > us in our own half which seemed part of the reason, we did not do that to > them - perhaps that was part of the master plan to conserve energy?. After > 20 minutes, I couldn't see anything else than a Villa win, it was a matter > of time. In the 2nd half we were a different team and the close, tight and > short passing regime seemed to be restored allowing us to put some pressure > on Villa and ultimately, the goals and win. We appear not to get down > hearted when we are playing badly and keep the faith. This is a huge > attribute that I hope we don't need to rely on too often. Villa have been on > a good run recently and I'm relieved we survived the first half when we were > out-passed much of the time and relied on a pretty solid defence. So up to > 4th which is pretty good, but I have grave concerns that some teams like > Villa can upset our style and force us into an unrehearsed plan B. After > all, it's the team that adapts best to the opposition that usually rules the > roost. > > I'm not Rob Green fan and would always select Silvestri instead, but hats > off to him today, he was solid and made some good saves. I thought Luke > Ayling deserves a special mention too, he was everywhere! > > Isn't it strange to think that our Anfield performance gained us so much > credit and we lost and against Villa we turned it round and won. Maybe we > just couldn't adapt to Li
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Agree with all of that Rich. Nice to wake up in a good mood and the weekend has only just started. We were saying that about Bamford’s third...kudos to him he did his bit well, but 4 defenders round him in the box and not one tries to tackle him. They’ll be in for some extra sessions this morning. Nick Sent from my iPad > On 24 Oct 2020, at 09:29, Richard Walker via Leedslist > wrote: > > Couldn't sleep last night as I reflected on what was in my opinion the best > Leeds performance since the European games. It was that good and there's even > an argument to say that the 2nd half was one of the best I've ever seen. Some > statement but we were that good. > The way we attacked with pace was devastating and Villa just couldn't live > with us. Ross Barkley looked like a lower league journeyman as he wasn't > allowed to have time on the ball and found himself having to do more running > than he's ever done in his life. He was f*cked. I'd heard a lof good things > about Luiz and how he conrols the midfield, well he certainly didn't know > what hit him yesterday. Every time he got the ball, Klich and co were on him > and his best efforts came from pretending to be fouled. Grealish had his > moments as he always will but he plays in spurts and isnt a great team > player. He's also a cheat. The foul by Stujik was a certain yellow card but > if you watch it, Strujik doesn't make that much contact and there's no way it > would have resulted in a player looking like he was dead for 5 mins. Also > the dive for the pen was disgusting and countless other annoyances like > keeping hold of the ball and not giving it back when Leeds were trying to > take a free kick. He just did it to annoy, no other reason. Grade A c*nt ! > Anyway, back to us and where do you start ? The inter-play down the left > between Allioski and Harrison was breathtaking and Matty Cash could only wish > he was back playing for Forest in the Championship. This is the big time > Matty and I'm afraid you're not at the races. Harrison terrorised him and for > once every cross or pass from Harrison was finding its intended target and > with some better finishing from barn door Bamford we would have been 3-0 up > in the first half. > After that yellow card, Struijk was withdrawn after 20 minutes. I don't think > Bielsa took him off because he was playing badly, I think he took him off > because Villa were cheating. WIth Luiz and Grealish falling over and crying > every 5 mins it was only a matter of time before they conned the ref into > sending Struijk off. A blessing in disguise for me because on came Jamie > Shackleton for his PL debut. For me this is the game that defined Shack. What > position suits him best ? is he a defender ? Is he a midfielder ? Is he a > right back ? Is he a winger? Well, tonight defined him to be a player who can > harry, tackle, attack with pace, pass the ball and link up play all over the > park. It also proved that we didn't need Struijk sat in front of the back > four as a security blanket. Klich came deeper, Rodrigo filled in the Kilch > area and we were on fire. The way we attacked was like a wave with 5 or 6 > players advancing at once and then when we lost the ball we defended in a > similar manner. Everyone forward, everyone back. It was brilliant and I've > rarely seen a team play like that. > The second half was total domination and how we only won by 3 is beyond me. > Bamford's goals were all well taken but Rodrigo ran the show for me. He made > the first and he looked class all night. I love players who, when they get > the ball, they always look like they've got all the time in the world and > nobody can touch them. Rodrigo's link up play was the best I've seen for a > while. Intelligent, fast paced, skilful football. > Costa to his credit, after a lacklustre first half, made himself an outlet as > we attacked down the left and right. Villa just couldn't cope. Some of the > one touch football had me dancing around the room (and I wasn't even drinking > - trying to cut down on the lockdown excesses). Bamford's 2nd and 3rd were > very well taken however you have to question the defending as 4 Villa players > watched him adjust, turn and shoot. > And to top it all we bring on Pablo (who should have scored) and Raphinha. > Not a bad pair to bring on. Happy Days > Miesler - 9. Two good saves and good distribution. > Dallas - 7. I thought he looked a bit out of sorts first half playing one > horrendous cross field ball straight to a Villa player. Second half he came > alive and was very busy down the right wing. Looks more at home playing as a > right wing back for me. Could be the best in the league in that position. > Allioski - 9. Brilliant game linking up with Harrison and harrying Villa > players to knick the ball. Should have done better with his chance but it was > on his right foot. He's just a good little footballer > Koch - 8. Uncharastic
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Absolutely! I can't get the image out of my head (not that I'm trying very hard!) of us streaming forward with 5 or 6 players combining, gorgeous passes and one-touches, Vanilla players floundering in our wake. The 1st goal, for example..replays of it only show the move from near the halfway line, but actually it began right next to our corner flag with Costa in a tight situation and a difficult bouncing ball. Almost every other player in the league would have just launched the ball up the touchline to buy time and let the defence regroup. And every other manager would have told him to do that. Not Bielsa though. Within seconds, and probably no more than 10 touches, the ball was in the back of the Vanilla net! And yeah, Rodrigo! I would just have had Harrison edging Rodrigo as MoM, but the Spaniard was superb. And he cost less than Watkins! Re the 3rd goal..a lot of people have said that Mings was at fault for not closing Bamford down. But that goal was a vindication of the Bielsa style. The pass-and-move football we play is so draining on opponents. I think it was Shackleton who was running in behind Mings. mings expected Bamford to pass, so he stood off and prepared to slide back to deal with the pass. And Bamford showed the brilliance there of a good footballer; following the simple dictum - if you see your opponent expects you to do one thing, do something else. So it is quite clear now: the only way to stop this wonderful team of ours is to adopt the Wigan approach, which is what Wolves did. It will be fascinating to see if the likes of Leicester & Arse dare to try to attack us or just sit back in a low block. On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 10:29 AM Richard Walker via Leedslist < leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > Couldn't sleep last night as I reflected on what was in my opinion the > best Leeds performance since the European games. It was that good and > there's even an argument to say that the 2nd half was one of the best I've > ever seen. Some statement but we were that good. > The way we attacked with pace was devastating and Villa just couldn't live > with us. Ross Barkley looked like a lower league journeyman as he wasn't > allowed to have time on the ball and found himself having to do more > running than he's ever done in his life. He was f*cked. I'd heard a lof > good things about Luiz and how he conrols the midfield, well he certainly > didn't know what hit him yesterday. Every time he got the ball, Klich and > co were on him and his best efforts came from pretending to be fouled. > Grealish had his moments as he always will but he plays in spurts and isnt > a great team player. He's also a cheat. The foul by Stujik was a certain > yellow card but if you watch it, Strujik doesn't make that much contact and > there's no way it would have resulted in a player looking like he was dead > for 5 mins. Also the dive for the pen was disgusting and countless other > annoyances like keeping hold of the ball and not giving it back when Leeds > were trying to take a free kick. He just did it to annoy, no other reason. > Grade A c*nt ! > Anyway, back to us and where do you start ? The inter-play down the left > between Allioski and Harrison was breathtaking and Matty Cash could only > wish he was back playing for Forest in the Championship. This is the big > time Matty and I'm afraid you're not at the races. Harrison terrorised him > and for once every cross or pass from Harrison was finding its intended > target and with some better finishing from barn door Bamford we would have > been 3-0 up in the first half. > After that yellow card, Struijk was withdrawn after 20 minutes. I don't > think Bielsa took him off because he was playing badly, I think he took him > off because Villa were cheating. WIth Luiz and Grealish falling over and > crying every 5 mins it was only a matter of time before they conned the ref > into sending Struijk off. A blessing in disguise for me because on came > Jamie Shackleton for his PL debut. For me this is the game that defined > Shack. What position suits him best ? is he a defender ? Is he a midfielder > ? Is he a right back ? Is he a winger? Well, tonight defined him to be a > player who can harry, tackle, attack with pace, pass the ball and link up > play all over the park. It also proved that we didn't need Struijk sat in > front of the back four as a security blanket. Klich came deeper, Rodrigo > filled in the Kilch area and we were on fire. The way we attacked was like > a wave with 5 or 6 players advancing at once and then when we lost the ball > we defended in a similar manner. Everyone forward, everyone back. It was > brilliant and I've rarely seen a team play like that. > The second half was total domination and how we only won by 3 is beyond > me. Bamford's goals were all well taken but Rodrigo ran the show for me. He > made the first and he looked class all night. I love players who, when they > get the ball, they always look like they've got all th
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The epitome of this performance was when, in the 94th minute, we're 3-0 up, we still steam forward and have a breakaway where 7 players charge up the pitch together and we have a 7v4 situation, as the Villa squad had given up by then. If Harrison had just laid it back to one of the 4 players lined along the edge of the box it would have been 4-0. From: Leedslist on behalf of Robert Heath Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 5:01 AM To: Richard Walker Cc: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Villa Absolutely! I can't get the image out of my head (not that I'm trying very hard!) of us streaming forward with 5 or 6 players combining, gorgeous passes and one-touches, Vanilla players floundering in our wake. The 1st goal, for example..replays of it only show the move from near the halfway line, but actually it began right next to our corner flag with Costa in a tight situation and a difficult bouncing ball. Almost every other player in the league would have just launched the ball up the touchline to buy time and let the defence regroup. And every other manager would have told him to do that. Not Bielsa though. Within seconds, and probably no more than 10 touches, the ball was in the back of the Vanilla net! And yeah, Rodrigo! I would just have had Harrison edging Rodrigo as MoM, but the Spaniard was superb. And he cost less than Watkins! Re the 3rd goal..a lot of people have said that Mings was at fault for not closing Bamford down. But that goal was a vindication of the Bielsa style. The pass-and-move football we play is so draining on opponents. I think it was Shackleton who was running in behind Mings. mings expected Bamford to pass, so he stood off and prepared to slide back to deal with the pass. And Bamford showed the brilliance there of a good footballer; following the simple dictum - if you see your opponent expects you to do one thing, do something else. So it is quite clear now: the only way to stop this wonderful team of ours is to adopt the Wigan approach, which is what Wolves did. It will be fascinating to see if the likes of Leicester & Arse dare to try to attack us or just sit back in a low block. On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 10:29 AM Richard Walker via Leedslist < leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > Couldn't sleep last night as I reflected on what was in my opinion the > best Leeds performance since the European games. It was that good and > there's even an argument to say that the 2nd half was one of the best I've > ever seen. Some statement but we were that good. > The way we attacked with pace was devastating and Villa just couldn't live > with us. Ross Barkley looked like a lower league journeyman as he wasn't > allowed to have time on the ball and found himself having to do more > running than he's ever done in his life. He was f*cked. I'd heard a lof > good things about Luiz and how he conrols the midfield, well he certainly > didn't know what hit him yesterday. Every time he got the ball, Klich and > co were on him and his best efforts came from pretending to be fouled. > Grealish had his moments as he always will but he plays in spurts and isnt > a great team player. He's also a cheat. The foul by Stujik was a certain > yellow card but if you watch it, Strujik doesn't make that much contact and > there's no way it would have resulted in a player looking like he was dead > for 5 mins. Also the dive for the pen was disgusting and countless other > annoyances like keeping hold of the ball and not giving it back when Leeds > were trying to take a free kick. He just did it to annoy, no other reason. > Grade A c*nt ! > Anyway, back to us and where do you start ? The inter-play down the left > between Allioski and Harrison was breathtaking and Matty Cash could only > wish he was back playing for Forest in the Championship. This is the big > time Matty and I'm afraid you're not at the races. Harrison terrorised him > and for once every cross or pass from Harrison was finding its intended > target and with some better finishing from barn door Bamford we would have > been 3-0 up in the first half. > After that yellow card, Struijk was withdrawn after 20 minutes. I don't > think Bielsa took him off because he was playing badly, I think he took him > off because Villa were cheating. WIth Luiz and Grealish falling over and > crying every 5 mins it was only a matter of time before they conned the ref > into sending Struijk off. A blessing in disguise for me because on came > Jamie Shackleton for his PL debut. For me this is the game that defined > Shack. What position suits him best ? is he a defender ? Is he a midfielder > ? Is he a right back ? Is he a winger? Well, tonight defined him to be a > player who can harry, tackle, attack wit
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Remember when I said we should build a team around Shackleton, and someone retorted with ‘the lad who runs around alot’. The defence rests its case m’lud ;-) Sent from my iPad > On 24 Oct 2020, at 12:28, Jeremy Adams wrote: > > The epitome of this performance was when, in the 94th minute, we're 3-0 up, > we still steam forward and have a breakaway where 7 players charge up the > pitch together and we have a 7v4 situation, as the Villa squad had given up > by then. If Harrison had just laid it back to one of the 4 players lined > along the edge of the box it would have been 4-0. > > From: Leedslist on behalf of Robert Heath > > Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 5:01 AM > To: Richard Walker > Cc: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org > Subject: Re: [LU] Villa > > Absolutely! > > I can't get the image out of my head (not that I'm trying very hard!) of us > streaming forward with 5 or 6 players combining, gorgeous passes and > one-touches, Vanilla players floundering in our wake. > > The 1st goal, for example..replays of it only show the move from > near the halfway line, but actually it began right next to our corner flag > with Costa in a tight situation and a difficult bouncing ball. Almost every > other player in the league would have just launched the ball up the > touchline to buy time and let the defence regroup. And every other manager > would have told him to do that. Not Bielsa though. Within seconds, and > probably no more than 10 touches, the ball was in the back of the Vanilla > net! > > And yeah, Rodrigo! I would just have had Harrison edging Rodrigo as MoM, > but the Spaniard was superb. And he cost less than Watkins! > > Re the 3rd goal..a lot of people have said that Mings was at fault > for not closing Bamford down. But that goal was a vindication of the Bielsa > style. The pass-and-move football we play is so draining on opponents. I > think it was Shackleton who was running in behind Mings. mings expected > Bamford to pass, so he stood off and prepared to slide back to deal with > the pass. And Bamford showed the brilliance there of a good footballer; > following the simple dictum - if you see your opponent expects you to do > one thing, do something else. > > So it is quite clear now: the only way to stop this wonderful team of ours > is to adopt the Wigan approach, which is what Wolves did. It will be > fascinating to see if the likes of Leicester & Arse dare to try to attack > us or just sit back in a low block. > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 10:29 AM Richard Walker via Leedslist < > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > >> Couldn't sleep last night as I reflected on what was in my opinion the >> best Leeds performance since the European games. It was that good and >> there's even an argument to say that the 2nd half was one of the best I've >> ever seen. Some statement but we were that good. >> The way we attacked with pace was devastating and Villa just couldn't live >> with us. Ross Barkley looked like a lower league journeyman as he wasn't >> allowed to have time on the ball and found himself having to do more >> running than he's ever done in his life. He was f*cked. I'd heard a lof >> good things about Luiz and how he conrols the midfield, well he certainly >> didn't know what hit him yesterday. Every time he got the ball, Klich and >> co were on him and his best efforts came from pretending to be fouled. >> Grealish had his moments as he always will but he plays in spurts and isnt >> a great team player. He's also a cheat. The foul by Stujik was a certain >> yellow card but if you watch it, Strujik doesn't make that much contact and >> there's no way it would have resulted in a player looking like he was dead >> for 5 mins. Also the dive for the pen was disgusting and countless other >> annoyances like keeping hold of the ball and not giving it back when Leeds >> were trying to take a free kick. He just did it to annoy, no other reason. >> Grade A c*nt ! >> Anyway, back to us and where do you start ? The inter-play down the left >> between Allioski and Harrison was breathtaking and Matty Cash could only >> wish he was back playing for Forest in the Championship. This is the big >> time Matty and I'm afraid you're not at the races. Harrison terrorised him >> and for once every cross or pass from Harrison was finding its intended >> target and with some better finishing from barn door Bamford we would have >> been 3-0 up in the first half. >> After that yellow card, Struijk was withdrawn after 20 minutes. I don't >> t
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Always liked the lad and now he’s clear of injuries he should be playing more but I fear when Philips returns he won’t get a look in. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, October 24, 2020, 1:45 pm, bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Remember when I said we should build a team around Shackleton, and someone retorted with ‘the lad who runs around alot’. The defence rests its case m’lud ;-) Sent from my iPad > On 24 Oct 2020, at 12:28, Jeremy Adams wrote: > > The epitome of this performance was when, in the 94th minute, we're 3-0 up, > we still steam forward and have a breakaway where 7 players charge up the > pitch together and we have a 7v4 situation, as the Villa squad had given up > by then. If Harrison had just laid it back to one of the 4 players lined > along the edge of the box it would have been 4-0. > > From: Leedslist on behalf of Robert Heath > > Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 5:01 AM > To: Richard Walker > Cc: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org > Subject: Re: [LU] Villa > > Absolutely! > > I can't get the image out of my head (not that I'm trying very hard!) of us > streaming forward with 5 or 6 players combining, gorgeous passes and > one-touches, Vanilla players floundering in our wake. > > The 1st goal, for example..replays of it only show the move from > near the halfway line, but actually it began right next to our corner flag > with Costa in a tight situation and a difficult bouncing ball. Almost every > other player in the league would have just launched the ball up the > touchline to buy time and let the defence regroup. And every other manager > would have told him to do that. Not Bielsa though. Within seconds, and > probably no more than 10 touches, the ball was in the back of the Vanilla > net! > > And yeah, Rodrigo! I would just have had Harrison edging Rodrigo as MoM, > but the Spaniard was superb. And he cost less than Watkins! > > Re the 3rd goal..a lot of people have said that Mings was at fault > for not closing Bamford down. But that goal was a vindication of the Bielsa > style. The pass-and-move football we play is so draining on opponents. I > think it was Shackleton who was running in behind Mings. mings expected > Bamford to pass, so he stood off and prepared to slide back to deal with > the pass. And Bamford showed the brilliance there of a good footballer; > following the simple dictum - if you see your opponent expects you to do > one thing, do something else. > > So it is quite clear now: the only way to stop this wonderful team of ours > is to adopt the Wigan approach, which is what Wolves did. It will be > fascinating to see if the likes of Leicester & Arse dare to try to attack > us or just sit back in a low block. > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 10:29 AM Richard Walker via Leedslist < > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > >> Couldn't sleep last night as I reflected on what was in my opinion the >> best Leeds performance since the European games. It was that good and >> there's even an argument to say that the 2nd half was one of the best I've >> ever seen. Some statement but we were that good. >> The way we attacked with pace was devastating and Villa just couldn't live >> with us. Ross Barkley looked like a lower league journeyman as he wasn't >> allowed to have time on the ball and found himself having to do more >> running than he's ever done in his life. He was f*cked. I'd heard a lof >> good things about Luiz and how he conrols the midfield, well he certainly >> didn't know what hit him yesterday. Every time he got the ball, Klich and >> co were on him and his best efforts came from pretending to be fouled. >> Grealish had his moments as he always will but he plays in spurts and isnt >> a great team player. He's also a cheat. The foul by Stujik was a certain >> yellow card but if you watch it, Strujik doesn't make that much contact and >> there's no way it would have resulted in a player looking like he was dead >> for 5 mins. Also the dive for the pen was disgusting and countless other >> annoyances like keeping hold of the ball and not giving it back when Leeds >> were trying to take a free kick. He just did it to annoy, no other reason. >> Grade A c*nt ! >> Anyway, back to us and where do you start ? The inter-play down the left >> between Allioski and Harrison was breathtaking and Matty Cash could only >> wish he was back playing for Forest in the Championship. This is the big >> time Matty and I'm afraid you're not at the races. Harrison terrorised him >> and for once every cross or pass from Harrison
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A joy to read Richard, and I was so pleased for Alioski and Bamford. We all doubted them, but last night they were outstanding. Costa was very average in the 1st half and although he improved in the 2nd, it's a question of time before Raphinha starts there. Will have another Ribera del Duero tonight! Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> From: Leedslist on behalf of Richard Walker via Leedslist Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 3:42:46 PM To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk ; Jeremy Adams Cc: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Villa Always liked the lad and now he’s clear of injuries he should be playing more but I fear when Philips returns he won’t get a look in. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, October 24, 2020, 1:45 pm, bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Remember when I said we should build a team around Shackleton, and someone retorted with ‘the lad who runs around alot’. The defence rests its case m’lud ;-) Sent from my iPad > On 24 Oct 2020, at 12:28, Jeremy Adams wrote: > > The epitome of this performance was when, in the 94th minute, we're 3-0 up, > we still steam forward and have a breakaway where 7 players charge up the > pitch together and we have a 7v4 situation, as the Villa squad had given up > by then. If Harrison had just laid it back to one of the 4 players lined > along the edge of the box it would have been 4-0. > > From: Leedslist on behalf of Robert Heath > > Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 5:01 AM > To: Richard Walker > Cc: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org > Subject: Re: [LU] Villa > > Absolutely! > > I can't get the image out of my head (not that I'm trying very hard!) of us > streaming forward with 5 or 6 players combining, gorgeous passes and > one-touches, Vanilla players floundering in our wake. > > The 1st goal, for example..replays of it only show the move from > near the halfway line, but actually it began right next to our corner flag > with Costa in a tight situation and a difficult bouncing ball. Almost every > other player in the league would have just launched the ball up the > touchline to buy time and let the defence regroup. And every other manager > would have told him to do that. Not Bielsa though. Within seconds, and > probably no more than 10 touches, the ball was in the back of the Vanilla > net! > > And yeah, Rodrigo! I would just have had Harrison edging Rodrigo as MoM, > but the Spaniard was superb. And he cost less than Watkins! > > Re the 3rd goal..a lot of people have said that Mings was at fault > for not closing Bamford down. But that goal was a vindication of the Bielsa > style. The pass-and-move football we play is so draining on opponents. I > think it was Shackleton who was running in behind Mings. mings expected > Bamford to pass, so he stood off and prepared to slide back to deal with > the pass. And Bamford showed the brilliance there of a good footballer; > following the simple dictum - if you see your opponent expects you to do > one thing, do something else. > > So it is quite clear now: the only way to stop this wonderful team of ours > is to adopt the Wigan approach, which is what Wolves did. It will be > fascinating to see if the likes of Leicester & Arse dare to try to attack > us or just sit back in a low block. > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 10:29 AM Richard Walker via Leedslist < > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > >> Couldn't sleep last night as I reflected on what was in my opinion the >> best Leeds performance since the European games. It was that good and >> there's even an argument to say that the 2nd half was one of the best I've >> ever seen. Some statement but we were that good. >> The way we attacked with pace was devastating and Villa just couldn't live >> with us. Ross Barkley looked like a lower league journeyman as he wasn't >> allowed to have time on the ball and found himself having to do more >> running than he's ever done in his life. He was f*cked. I'd heard a lof >> good things about Luiz and how he conrols the midfield, well he certainly >> didn't know what hit him yesterday. Every time he got the ball, Klich and >> co were on him and his best efforts came from pretending to be fouled. >> Grealish had his moments as he always will but he plays in spurts and isnt >> a great team player. He's also a cheat. The foul by Stujik was a certain >> yellow card but if you watch it, Strujik doesn't make that much contact and >> there's no way it would have resulted in a player looking like he was dead >> for 5 mins. Also the dive for the pen was disgusting and coun
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"someone retorted with ‘the lad who runs around alot’." I think I might have been that "someone." I am more than happy.I am ecstatic..to admit that I underestimated the lad. To think that we blew away the form team of the division with a makeshift team, well it is literally incredible! My only mild regret is that Jackie H made his ONLY misjudgement of the entire match with the last kick of the game. If he had played that ball inside to any of the about 99 Leeds players who were forming a socially distanced queue along the line of the penalty spot whilst the red-faced Grealish & Barkley & chums were panting their way back towards the box we would have had another glorious goal to celebrate. On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 2:45 PM wrote: > Remember when I said we should build a team around Shackleton, and someone > retorted with ‘the lad who runs around alot’. > > The defence rests its case m’lud ;-) > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 24 Oct 2020, at 12:28, Jeremy Adams > wrote: > > > > The epitome of this performance was when, in the 94th minute, we're 3-0 > up, we still steam forward and have a breakaway where 7 players charge up > the pitch together and we have a 7v4 situation, as the Villa squad had > given up by then. If Harrison had just laid it back to one of the 4 players > lined along the edge of the box it would have been 4-0. > > > > From: Leedslist on behalf of Robert > Heath > > Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 5:01 AM > > To: Richard Walker > > Cc: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org > > Subject: Re: [LU] Villa > > > > Absolutely! > > > > I can't get the image out of my head (not that I'm trying very hard!) of > us > > streaming forward with 5 or 6 players combining, gorgeous passes and > > one-touches, Vanilla players floundering in our wake. > > > > The 1st goal, for example..replays of it only show the move from > > near the halfway line, but actually it began right next to our corner > flag > > with Costa in a tight situation and a difficult bouncing ball. Almost > every > > other player in the league would have just launched the ball up the > > touchline to buy time and let the defence regroup. And every other > manager > > would have told him to do that. Not Bielsa though. Within seconds, and > > probably no more than 10 touches, the ball was in the back of the Vanilla > > net! > > > > And yeah, Rodrigo! I would just have had Harrison edging Rodrigo as MoM, > > but the Spaniard was superb. And he cost less than Watkins! > > > > Re the 3rd goal..a lot of people have said that Mings was at > fault > > for not closing Bamford down. But that goal was a vindication of the > Bielsa > > style. The pass-and-move football we play is so draining on opponents. I > > think it was Shackleton who was running in behind Mings. mings expected > > Bamford to pass, so he stood off and prepared to slide back to deal with > > the pass. And Bamford showed the brilliance there of a good footballer; > > following the simple dictum - if you see your opponent expects you to do > > one thing, do something else. > > > > So it is quite clear now: the only way to stop this wonderful team of > ours > > is to adopt the Wigan approach, which is what Wolves did. It will be > > fascinating to see if the likes of Leicester & Arse dare to try to attack > > us or just sit back in a low block. > > > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 10:29 AM Richard Walker via Leedslist < > > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > > > >> Couldn't sleep last night as I reflected on what was in my opinion the > >> best Leeds performance since the European games. It was that good and > >> there's even an argument to say that the 2nd half was one of the best > I've > >> ever seen. Some statement but we were that good. > >> The way we attacked with pace was devastating and Villa just couldn't > live > >> with us. Ross Barkley looked like a lower league journeyman as he wasn't > >> allowed to have time on the ball and found himself having to do more > >> running than he's ever done in his life. He was f*cked. I'd heard a lof > >> good things about Luiz and how he conrols the midfield, well he > certainly > >> didn't know what hit him yesterday. Every time he got the ball, Klich > and > >> co were on him and his best efforts came from pretending to be fouled. > >> Grealish had his moments as he always will but he plays in spurts and > isnt > >> a great team p
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What's more, just go back to Bielsa's first match against Stoke. Look who started and those on the bench, twelve are still there, thirteen if Douglas had stayed. Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> From: Leedslist on behalf of Robert Heath Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 5:43:37 PM To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Villa "someone retorted with ‘the lad who runs around alot’." I think I might have been that "someone." I am more than happy.I am ecstatic..to admit that I underestimated the lad. To think that we blew away the form team of the division with a makeshift team, well it is literally incredible! My only mild regret is that Jackie H made his ONLY misjudgement of the entire match with the last kick of the game. If he had played that ball inside to any of the about 99 Leeds players who were forming a socially distanced queue along the line of the penalty spot whilst the red-faced Grealish & Barkley & chums were panting their way back towards the box we would have had another glorious goal to celebrate. On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 2:45 PM wrote: > Remember when I said we should build a team around Shackleton, and someone > retorted with ‘the lad who runs around alot’. > > The defence rests its case m’lud ;-) > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 24 Oct 2020, at 12:28, Jeremy Adams > wrote: > > > > The epitome of this performance was when, in the 94th minute, we're 3-0 > up, we still steam forward and have a breakaway where 7 players charge up > the pitch together and we have a 7v4 situation, as the Villa squad had > given up by then. If Harrison had just laid it back to one of the 4 players > lined along the edge of the box it would have been 4-0. > > > > From: Leedslist on behalf of Robert > Heath > > Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 5:01 AM > > To: Richard Walker > > Cc: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org > > Subject: Re: [LU] Villa > > > > Absolutely! > > > > I can't get the image out of my head (not that I'm trying very hard!) of > us > > streaming forward with 5 or 6 players combining, gorgeous passes and > > one-touches, Vanilla players floundering in our wake. > > > > The 1st goal, for example..replays of it only show the move from > > near the halfway line, but actually it began right next to our corner > flag > > with Costa in a tight situation and a difficult bouncing ball. Almost > every > > other player in the league would have just launched the ball up the > > touchline to buy time and let the defence regroup. And every other > manager > > would have told him to do that. Not Bielsa though. Within seconds, and > > probably no more than 10 touches, the ball was in the back of the Vanilla > > net! > > > > And yeah, Rodrigo! I would just have had Harrison edging Rodrigo as MoM, > > but the Spaniard was superb. And he cost less than Watkins! > > > > Re the 3rd goal..a lot of people have said that Mings was at > fault > > for not closing Bamford down. But that goal was a vindication of the > Bielsa > > style. The pass-and-move football we play is so draining on opponents. I > > think it was Shackleton who was running in behind Mings. mings expected > > Bamford to pass, so he stood off and prepared to slide back to deal with > > the pass. And Bamford showed the brilliance there of a good footballer; > > following the simple dictum - if you see your opponent expects you to do > > one thing, do something else. > > > > So it is quite clear now: the only way to stop this wonderful team of > ours > > is to adopt the Wigan approach, which is what Wolves did. It will be > > fascinating to see if the likes of Leicester & Arse dare to try to attack > > us or just sit back in a low block. > > > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 10:29 AM Richard Walker via Leedslist < > > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > > > >> Couldn't sleep last night as I reflected on what was in my opinion the > >> best Leeds performance since the European games. It was that good and > >> there's even an argument to say that the 2nd half was one of the best > I've > >> ever seen. Some statement but we were that good. > >> The way we attacked with pace was devastating and Villa just couldn't > live > >> with us. Ross Barkley looked like a lower league journeyman as he wasn't > >> allowed to have time on the ball and found himself having to do more > >> running than he's ever done in
[LU] Villa Tonight
Anyone watching the match in the pub in Brighton tonight?Sent from the passenger seat of an imaginary Austin A40.. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
Re: [LU] VIlla
Agree with that Rich - I swear if I have to watch another lofted ball from
Koch, dropped into the box from 50 yards out, with no one in sight but their
keeper…
How bad was that? I left bang on the whistle and walked straight on to the
first bus in the station and got a seat…no mad queues watching the first 5 or 6
buses leave, all the folk buzzing and chattering about something brilliant in
the game. Flat. We have forgotten what it was like before and become inured.
A wise woman once sang ‘you don’t know what you got til it’s gone’.
Nick
Sent from my iPad
> On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:15, Richard Walker via Leedslist
> wrote:
>
> Couldn't get to sleep last night after that performance. Yes I felt it was
> time for Bielsa to go but not to be replaced by this, which is the worst of
> Heckingbottom, Blackwell and Warnock. Marsch has a difficult job but when it
> was said that he is the ideal person to replace Bielsa because he plays the
> same pressing, attacking style nothing could be further from the truth.
> He is trying to make us compact by packing the midfield and bringing the
> wingers more central. This totally negates any attacking options we have. We
> were all about fast movment from defence to attack, down the wings with
> overlapping wing backs. That's gone, Bielsa ball is dead and we're left with
> midfielders who are not midfielders on the ball not knowing what to do. As
> performances go that's the most clueless I've seen us since the Heckingbottom
> days. Ok we've suffered some bad defeats under Bielsa recently but in those
> games we kept going and still created chances. We didn't create anything that
> troubled their keeper last night. The crowd got on the backs of the players
> and when their 3rd went in a chant of Marcelo Bielsa echoed around the ground
> and then a large number of fans actually left. The ground was half empty by
> the final whistle.
> A bloke behind me shouted "This is the sort of shit we used to see before
> Bielsa came" - he was spot on. Clueless, pedestrian with players playing out
> of position. Koch is a disaster in midfield. All the fans can see it but yet
> the coach can't. Bielsa was the same although I'd argue he had a specific
> role ('the Philips') role which is more of a sweeper whereas Marsch is
> playing Koch as a fully fledged midfielder who was actually playing in an
> advanced role at times and actually had one of our best chances second half.
> In a true central defender playing in midfield style he blasted into the safe
> seating rail section (whatever the feck that is !?).
> Then we've got Ayling playing a centre back. Who told Marsch that Ayling was
> a centre back ? Yes he filled in at times under Bielsa but only when we've
> had injuries to most of our central defenders. Now we've got a German
> international defender playing in midfield and a Spanish international
> defender on the bench. Surely Ayling to right back, Koch to central defence
> and Dallas into midfield would have been the obvious ?
> Ayling and Struijk for me would worry me in the championship but against
> Countinho and Ings we're always going to be in trouble. It could have been
> more than 3. Struijk continues to disappoint me and he was skinned badly on
> one occassion. I don't think he's premiership ... yet
> The main problem for Marsch is that he's packing the midfield but we haven't
> got any midfielders ! He's a manager who needed to get players in January to
> meet his tactics. There's little point in asking Raph to play central
> midfield which is where he found himself.
> My overall view is of complete depression knowing that the Bielsa years are
> over and we're back to this type of football. Maybe Marsch will get it right
> in the Summer but I just can't see him turning this team around and playing
> the tactics he wants. Bamford will help but is he fit ?
> We need to get behind the players and manager for the Norwich game. THe crowd
> were quick to get on their backs last night and the boos at half-time were
> the loudest for many a year. There was no 2nd half rallying after the initial
> promising 10 mins and we threw in the towel.
> It's going to be hard.
> scores:
> Miesler - 7. Some decent saves to keep us in it first half
> Dallas - 4. Really struggled at right back
> Firpo - 1. He's been a disaster. Eitehr injured or ineffective. Always
> fouling and getting booked because he doesn't know how to defend. He's njured
> now and I think that's the best for the team. We have missed Allioski this
> season. I'dtry to get him back but then again Marsch would probably play him
> in central midfield.
> Sruijk - 3. Passsing poor, defending poor. Has been poor for a few games now.
>
> Ayling - 5. At least he put some tackles in and tried to push forward but
> he's no central defender
> Forshaw - 4. That was his worst game for Leeds
> Koch - 2 Awful / out of position
> Raphinha - 6. Our best player on the nig
Re: [LU] VIlla
For once I have to say I am mostly in agreement with R. Walker.
To see those players just drop their heads and hit aimless balls forwards
after the way they would still keep running and attacking under Bielsa even
when 0-4 down was shocking. And there were some woeful individual
performances. In the BE, even when we lost my personal scoreometer would
rarely give a player below a 5, but last night there were some 3s and even
2s. Oh and yeah a 1 for Rodrigo.
I think we badly BADLY need to get an early goal on Sunday. Of course it
was just our luck that Villa suddenly have hit a purple patch of form. Were
they that good, or was it another case of an average PL team filling their
boots against us?
I also agree about Gelhardt. Everybody loves him, but I think he looks out
of his depth. That bullocking run he did against Wolves to earn a penalty
may have been the worst thing to happen to him b/c now he keeps coming
short to get the ball and then turns to try that againand gets
the ball picked off his toes every time.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:15 AM Richard Walker via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> Couldn't get to sleep last night after that performance. Yes I felt it was
> time for Bielsa to go but not to be replaced by this, which is the worst of
> Heckingbottom, Blackwell and Warnock. Marsch has a difficult job but when
> it was said that he is the ideal person to replace Bielsa because he plays
> the same pressing, attacking style nothing could be further from the truth.
> He is trying to make us compact by packing the midfield and bringing the
> wingers more central. This totally negates any attacking options we have.
> We were all about fast movment from defence to attack, down the wings with
> overlapping wing backs. That's gone, Bielsa ball is dead and we're left
> with midfielders who are not midfielders on the ball not knowing what to
> do. As performances go that's the most clueless I've seen us since the
> Heckingbottom days. Ok we've suffered some bad defeats under Bielsa
> recently but in those games we kept going and still created chances. We
> didn't create anything that troubled their keeper last night. The crowd got
> on the backs of the players and when their 3rd went in a chant of Marcelo
> Bielsa echoed around the ground and then a large number of fans actually
> left. The ground was half empty by the final whistle.
> A bloke behind me shouted "This is the sort of shit we used to see before
> Bielsa came" - he was spot on. Clueless, pedestrian with players playing
> out of position. Koch is a disaster in midfield. All the fans can see it
> but yet the coach can't. Bielsa was the same although I'd argue he had a
> specific role ('the Philips') role which is more of a sweeper whereas
> Marsch is playing Koch as a fully fledged midfielder who was actually
> playing in an advanced role at times and actually had one of our best
> chances second half. In a true central defender playing in midfield style
> he blasted into the safe seating rail section (whatever the feck that is
> !?).
> Then we've got Ayling playing a centre back. Who told Marsch that Ayling
> was a centre back ? Yes he filled in at times under Bielsa but only when
> we've had injuries to most of our central defenders. Now we've got a German
> international defender playing in midfield and a Spanish international
> defender on the bench. Surely Ayling to right back, Koch to central defence
> and Dallas into midfield would have been the obvious ?
> Ayling and Struijk for me would worry me in the championship but against
> Countinho and Ings we're always going to be in trouble. It could have been
> more than 3. Struijk continues to disappoint me and he was skinned badly on
> one occassion. I don't think he's premiership ... yet
> The main problem for Marsch is that he's packing the midfield but we
> haven't got any midfielders ! He's a manager who needed to get players in
> January to meet his tactics. There's little point in asking Raph to play
> central midfield which is where he found himself.
> My overall view is of complete depression knowing that the Bielsa years
> are over and we're back to this type of football. Maybe Marsch will get it
> right in the Summer but I just can't see him turning this team around and
> playing the tactics he wants. Bamford will help but is he fit ?
> We need to get behind the players and manager for the Norwich game. THe
> crowd were quick to get on their backs last night and the boos at half-time
> were the loudest for many a year. There was no 2nd half rallying after the
> initial promising 10 mins and we threw in the towel.
> It's going to be hard.
> scores:
> Miesler - 7. Some decent saves to keep us in it first half
> Dallas - 4. Really struggled at right back
> Firpo - 1. He's been a disaster. Eitehr injured or ineffective. Always
> fouling and getting booked because he doesn't know how to defend. He's
> njured now and I think that's the best for the team. We hav
Re: [LU] VIlla
Still it's not all doom & gloom.Derby and Chelsea are both in
serious shit!
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:42 AM n...@6haroldplace.co.uk <
n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote:
> Agree with that Rich - I swear if I have to watch another lofted ball from
> Koch, dropped into the box from 50 yards out, with no one in sight but
> their keeper…
>
> How bad was that? I left bang on the whistle and walked straight on to the
> first bus in the station and got a seat…no mad queues watching the first 5
> or 6 buses leave, all the folk buzzing and chattering about something
> brilliant in the game. Flat. We have forgotten what it was like before and
> become inured.
>
> A wise woman once sang ‘you don’t know what you got til it’s gone’.
>
> Nick
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:15, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >
> > Couldn't get to sleep last night after that performance. Yes I felt it
> was time for Bielsa to go but not to be replaced by this, which is the
> worst of Heckingbottom, Blackwell and Warnock. Marsch has a difficult job
> but when it was said that he is the ideal person to replace Bielsa because
> he plays the same pressing, attacking style nothing could be further from
> the truth.
> > He is trying to make us compact by packing the midfield and bringing the
> wingers more central. This totally negates any attacking options we have.
> We were all about fast movment from defence to attack, down the wings with
> overlapping wing backs. That's gone, Bielsa ball is dead and we're left
> with midfielders who are not midfielders on the ball not knowing what to
> do. As performances go that's the most clueless I've seen us since the
> Heckingbottom days. Ok we've suffered some bad defeats under Bielsa
> recently but in those games we kept going and still created chances. We
> didn't create anything that troubled their keeper last night. The crowd got
> on the backs of the players and when their 3rd went in a chant of Marcelo
> Bielsa echoed around the ground and then a large number of fans actually
> left. The ground was half empty by the final whistle.
> > A bloke behind me shouted "This is the sort of shit we used to see
> before Bielsa came" - he was spot on. Clueless, pedestrian with players
> playing out of position. Koch is a disaster in midfield. All the fans can
> see it but yet the coach can't. Bielsa was the same although I'd argue he
> had a specific role ('the Philips') role which is more of a sweeper
> whereas Marsch is playing Koch as a fully fledged midfielder who was
> actually playing in an advanced role at times and actually had one of our
> best chances second half. In a true central defender playing in midfield
> style he blasted into the safe seating rail section (whatever the feck that
> is !?).
> > Then we've got Ayling playing a centre back. Who told Marsch that Ayling
> was a centre back ? Yes he filled in at times under Bielsa but only when
> we've had injuries to most of our central defenders. Now we've got a German
> international defender playing in midfield and a Spanish international
> defender on the bench. Surely Ayling to right back, Koch to central defence
> and Dallas into midfield would have been the obvious ?
> > Ayling and Struijk for me would worry me in the championship but against
> Countinho and Ings we're always going to be in trouble. It could have been
> more than 3. Struijk continues to disappoint me and he was skinned badly on
> one occassion. I don't think he's premiership ... yet
> > The main problem for Marsch is that he's packing the midfield but we
> haven't got any midfielders ! He's a manager who needed to get players in
> January to meet his tactics. There's little point in asking Raph to play
> central midfield which is where he found himself.
> > My overall view is of complete depression knowing that the Bielsa years
> are over and we're back to this type of football. Maybe Marsch will get it
> right in the Summer but I just can't see him turning this team around and
> playing the tactics he wants. Bamford will help but is he fit ?
> > We need to get behind the players and manager for the Norwich game. THe
> crowd were quick to get on their backs last night and the boos at half-time
> were the loudest for many a year. There was no 2nd half rallying after the
> initial promising 10 mins and we threw in the towel.
> > It's going to be hard.
> > scores:
> > Miesler - 7. Some decent saves to keep us in it first half
> > Dallas - 4. Really struggled at right back
> > Firpo - 1. He's been a disaster. Eitehr injured or ineffective. Always
> fouling and getting booked because he doesn't know how to defend. He's
> njured now and I think that's the best for the team. We have missed
> Allioski this season. I'dtry to get him back but then again Marsch would
> probably play him in central midfield.
> > Sruijk - 3. Passsing poor, defending poor. Has been poor for a few games
> now.
> >
> > Ayling - 5. At least h
Re: [LU] VIlla
Only area of disagreement with Rich is Rapha - we didn’t have a best player
last night - aside from 5 minutes in the second half he did little to nowt, and
I was surprised he didn’t get sent off.
Bizarrely, imho, one player we are missing is Cooper - he might be too slow at
times, but generally he knows where he should be. Struijk had his worst game
ever last night, and Ayling is not a centre-back, although I’d give him the
‘tried-hardest’ badge for last night.
Unless Marsch wakes up re player positions, we’ve had it. I think it’s going to
be a bitter end to the Bielsa era, but at least we got to see Bielsa-ball for a
couple of years - we’ll never see the like again :-(
Very glad the Norwich game isn’t televised!
Sent from my iPad
> On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:48, Robert Heath wrote:
>
> Still it's not all doom & gloom.Derby and Chelsea are both in
> serious shit!
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:42 AM n...@6haroldplace.co.uk <
> n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Agree with that Rich - I swear if I have to watch another lofted ball from
>> Koch, dropped into the box from 50 yards out, with no one in sight but
>> their keeper…
>>
>> How bad was that? I left bang on the whistle and walked straight on to the
>> first bus in the station and got a seat…no mad queues watching the first 5
>> or 6 buses leave, all the folk buzzing and chattering about something
>> brilliant in the game. Flat. We have forgotten what it was like before and
>> become inured.
>>
>> A wise woman once sang ‘you don’t know what you got til it’s gone’.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:15, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Couldn't get to sleep last night after that performance. Yes I felt it
>> was time for Bielsa to go but not to be replaced by this, which is the
>> worst of Heckingbottom, Blackwell and Warnock. Marsch has a difficult job
>> but when it was said that he is the ideal person to replace Bielsa because
>> he plays the same pressing, attacking style nothing could be further from
>> the truth.
>>> He is trying to make us compact by packing the midfield and bringing the
>> wingers more central. This totally negates any attacking options we have.
>> We were all about fast movment from defence to attack, down the wings with
>> overlapping wing backs. That's gone, Bielsa ball is dead and we're left
>> with midfielders who are not midfielders on the ball not knowing what to
>> do. As performances go that's the most clueless I've seen us since the
>> Heckingbottom days. Ok we've suffered some bad defeats under Bielsa
>> recently but in those games we kept going and still created chances. We
>> didn't create anything that troubled their keeper last night. The crowd got
>> on the backs of the players and when their 3rd went in a chant of Marcelo
>> Bielsa echoed around the ground and then a large number of fans actually
>> left. The ground was half empty by the final whistle.
>>> A bloke behind me shouted "This is the sort of shit we used to see
>> before Bielsa came" - he was spot on. Clueless, pedestrian with players
>> playing out of position. Koch is a disaster in midfield. All the fans can
>> see it but yet the coach can't. Bielsa was the same although I'd argue he
>> had a specific role ('the Philips') role which is more of a sweeper
>> whereas Marsch is playing Koch as a fully fledged midfielder who was
>> actually playing in an advanced role at times and actually had one of our
>> best chances second half. In a true central defender playing in midfield
>> style he blasted into the safe seating rail section (whatever the feck that
>> is !?).
>>> Then we've got Ayling playing a centre back. Who told Marsch that Ayling
>> was a centre back ? Yes he filled in at times under Bielsa but only when
>> we've had injuries to most of our central defenders. Now we've got a German
>> international defender playing in midfield and a Spanish international
>> defender on the bench. Surely Ayling to right back, Koch to central defence
>> and Dallas into midfield would have been the obvious ?
>>> Ayling and Struijk for me would worry me in the championship but against
>> Countinho and Ings we're always going to be in trouble. It could have been
>> more than 3. Struijk continues to disappoint me and he was skinned badly on
>> one occassion. I don't think he's premiership ... yet
>>> The main problem for Marsch is that he's packing the midfield but we
>> haven't got any midfielders ! He's a manager who needed to get players in
>> January to meet his tactics. There's little point in asking Raph to play
>> central midfield which is where he found himself.
>>> My overall view is of complete depression knowing that the Bielsa years
>> are over and we're back to this type of football. Maybe Marsch will get it
>> right in the Summer but I just can't see him turning this team around and
>> playing the tactics he wants. Bamford will help but is he fit ?
>>>
Re: [LU] VIlla
I agree - we didn't have a best player as such but I thought second half Raph
was on the ball a lot and was initiating a lot fo good cross field balls which
is not normally what he does but he was trying to adapt. System is horrible and
just doesn't suit us. It's a massive deviation from Bielsa .. chalk and cheese
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 09:56:02 GMT, John Lee via Leedslist
wrote:
Only area of disagreement with Rich is Rapha - we didn’t have a best player
last night - aside from 5 minutes in the second half he did little to nowt, and
I was surprised he didn’t get sent off.
Bizarrely, imho, one player we are missing is Cooper - he might be too slow at
times, but generally he knows where he should be. Struijk had his worst game
ever last night, and Ayling is not a centre-back, although I’d give him the
‘tried-hardest’ badge for last night.
Unless Marsch wakes up re player positions, we’ve had it. I think it’s going to
be a bitter end to the Bielsa era, but at least we got to see Bielsa-ball for a
couple of years - we’ll never see the like again :-(
Very glad the Norwich game isn’t televised!
Sent from my iPad
> On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:48, Robert Heath wrote:
>
> Still it's not all doom & gloom.Derby and Chelsea are both in
> serious shit!
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:42 AM n...@6haroldplace.co.uk <
> n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Agree with that Rich - I swear if I have to watch another lofted ball from
>> Koch, dropped into the box from 50 yards out, with no one in sight but
>> their keeper…
>>
>> How bad was that? I left bang on the whistle and walked straight on to the
>> first bus in the station and got a seat…no mad queues watching the first 5
>> or 6 buses leave, all the folk buzzing and chattering about something
>> brilliant in the game. Flat. We have forgotten what it was like before and
>> become inured.
>>
>> A wise woman once sang ‘you don’t know what you got til it’s gone’.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:15, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Couldn't get to sleep last night after that performance. Yes I felt it
>> was time for Bielsa to go but not to be replaced by this, which is the
>> worst of Heckingbottom, Blackwell and Warnock. Marsch has a difficult job
>> but when it was said that he is the ideal person to replace Bielsa because
>> he plays the same pressing, attacking style nothing could be further from
>> the truth.
>>> He is trying to make us compact by packing the midfield and bringing the
>> wingers more central. This totally negates any attacking options we have.
>> We were all about fast movment from defence to attack, down the wings with
>> overlapping wing backs. That's gone, Bielsa ball is dead and we're left
>> with midfielders who are not midfielders on the ball not knowing what to
>> do. As performances go that's the most clueless I've seen us since the
>> Heckingbottom days. Ok we've suffered some bad defeats under Bielsa
>> recently but in those games we kept going and still created chances. We
>> didn't create anything that troubled their keeper last night. The crowd got
>> on the backs of the players and when their 3rd went in a chant of Marcelo
>> Bielsa echoed around the ground and then a large number of fans actually
>> left. The ground was half empty by the final whistle.
>>> A bloke behind me shouted "This is the sort of shit we used to see
>> before Bielsa came" - he was spot on. Clueless, pedestrian with players
>> playing out of position. Koch is a disaster in midfield. All the fans can
>> see it but yet the coach can't. Bielsa was the same although I'd argue he
>> had a specific role ('the Philips') role which is more of a sweeper
>> whereas Marsch is playing Koch as a fully fledged midfielder who was
>> actually playing in an advanced role at times and actually had one of our
>> best chances second half. In a true central defender playing in midfield
>> style he blasted into the safe seating rail section (whatever the feck that
>> is !?).
>>> Then we've got Ayling playing a centre back. Who told Marsch that Ayling
>> was a centre back ? Yes he filled in at times under Bielsa but only when
>> we've had injuries to most of our central defenders. Now we've got a German
>> international defender playing in midfield and a Spanish international
>> defender on the bench. Surely Ayling to right back, Koch to central defence
>> and Dallas into midfield would have been the obvious ?
>>> Ayling and Struijk for me would worry me in the championship but against
>> Countinho and Ings we're always going to be in trouble. It could have been
>> more than 3. Struijk continues to disappoint me and he was skinned badly on
>> one occassion. I don't think he's premiership ... yet
>>> The main problem for Marsch is that he's packing the midfield but we
>> haven't got any midfielders ! He's a manager who needed to get players in
>> January to meet his tact
Re: [LU] VIlla
Odd that I did my report before I read yours and we both said it should be
Ayling at right back, Koch at centre back, and Dallas in midfield. If we can
see that ( and I dont claim any great knowhow or insight into tactics etc)
then why cant the manager
Yes Bielsa did the same with thses players at times but it was when the proper
player was unfit and in a formation and way of playing that they all knew and
understood
Jesse's reign may be shortlived - is it more than 44 days to the end of the
season? thinking Clough after he replaced a legend - not sure what our '
record's is now
Dave
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 10:19:21 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist
wrote:
I agree - we didn't have a best player as such but I thought second half Raph
was on the ball a lot and was initiating a lot fo good cross field balls which
is not normally what he does but he was trying to adapt. System is horrible and
just doesn't suit us. It's a massive deviation from Bielsa .. chalk and cheese
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 09:56:02 GMT, John Lee via Leedslist
wrote:
Only area of disagreement with Rich is Rapha - we didn’t have a best player
last night - aside from 5 minutes in the second half he did little to nowt, and
I was surprised he didn’t get sent off.
Bizarrely, imho, one player we are missing is Cooper - he might be too slow at
times, but generally he knows where he should be. Struijk had his worst game
ever last night, and Ayling is not a centre-back, although I’d give him the
‘tried-hardest’ badge for last night.
Unless Marsch wakes up re player positions, we’ve had it. I think it’s going to
be a bitter end to the Bielsa era, but at least we got to see Bielsa-ball for a
couple of years - we’ll never see the like again :-(
Very glad the Norwich game isn’t televised!
Sent from my iPad
> On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:48, Robert Heath wrote:
>
> Still it's not all doom & gloom.Derby and Chelsea are both in
> serious shit!
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:42 AM n...@6haroldplace.co.uk <
> n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Agree with that Rich - I swear if I have to watch another lofted ball from
>> Koch, dropped into the box from 50 yards out, with no one in sight but
>> their keeper…
>>
>> How bad was that? I left bang on the whistle and walked straight on to the
>> first bus in the station and got a seat…no mad queues watching the first 5
>> or 6 buses leave, all the folk buzzing and chattering about something
>> brilliant in the game. Flat. We have forgotten what it was like before and
>> become inured.
>>
>> A wise woman once sang ‘you don’t know what you got til it’s gone’.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:15, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Couldn't get to sleep last night after that performance. Yes I felt it
>> was time for Bielsa to go but not to be replaced by this, which is the
>> worst of Heckingbottom, Blackwell and Warnock. Marsch has a difficult job
>> but when it was said that he is the ideal person to replace Bielsa because
>> he plays the same pressing, attacking style nothing could be further from
>> the truth.
>>> He is trying to make us compact by packing the midfield and bringing the
>> wingers more central. This totally negates any attacking options we have.
>> We were all about fast movment from defence to attack, down the wings with
>> overlapping wing backs. That's gone, Bielsa ball is dead and we're left
>> with midfielders who are not midfielders on the ball not knowing what to
>> do. As performances go that's the most clueless I've seen us since the
>> Heckingbottom days. Ok we've suffered some bad defeats under Bielsa
>> recently but in those games we kept going and still created chances. We
>> didn't create anything that troubled their keeper last night. The crowd got
>> on the backs of the players and when their 3rd went in a chant of Marcelo
>> Bielsa echoed around the ground and then a large number of fans actually
>> left. The ground was half empty by the final whistle.
>>> A bloke behind me shouted "This is the sort of shit we used to see
>> before Bielsa came" - he was spot on. Clueless, pedestrian with players
>> playing out of position. Koch is a disaster in midfield. All the fans can
>> see it but yet the coach can't. Bielsa was the same although I'd argue he
>> had a specific role ('the Philips') role which is more of a sweeper
>> whereas Marsch is playing Koch as a fully fledged midfielder who was
>> actually playing in an advanced role at times and actually had one of our
>> best chances second half. In a true central defender playing in midfield
>> style he blasted into the safe seating rail section (whatever the feck that
>> is !?).
>>> Then we've got Ayling playing a centre back. Who told Marsch that Ayling
>> was a centre back ? Yes he filled in at times under Bielsa but only when
>> we've had injuries to most of our central defenders. Now we've g
Re: [LU] VIlla
As I've already written, I was as appalled as everybody else about last
night.
However, I would like to throw in a couple of caveats which might
constitute glimmers of hope:
1. One positive was that we did look good for the 1st 10 mins of the 2nd
half, which means it seems the players did respond to him. If we could have
just got an equaliser ...got the crowd on our side...who knows?
2. I actually agree with the idea of Koch where he was last night. I think
it was an attempt to maybe play a defensive block of 4 + 1 in a bid to make
sure we didn't ship a shitload of goals again ("hollow laughter"). This
bloody "ooh our manager plays players out of position" line drives me mad.
(Just like all the drivel that is written about positions in the batting
order for the England cricket team.) If you're a good footballer (which
believe it or not all these lads are) you can play anywhere. Pep Guardiola
has said this about Foden.he doesn't play a position, he plays
football.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:34 AM nattan--- via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> Odd that I did my report before I read yours and we both said it should
> be Ayling at right back, Koch at centre back, and Dallas in midfield. If
> we can see that ( and I dont claim any great knowhow or insight into
> tactics etc) then why cant the manager
> Yes Bielsa did the same with thses players at times but it was when the
> proper player was unfit and in a formation and way of playing that they all
> knew and understood
> Jesse's reign may be shortlived - is it more than 44 days to the end of
> the season? thinking Clough after he replaced a legend - not sure what our
> ' record's is now
> Dave
> On Friday, 11 March 2022, 10:19:21 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> I agree - we didn't have a best player as such but I thought second half
> Raph was on the ball a lot and was initiating a lot fo good cross field
> balls which is not normally what he does but he was trying to adapt. System
> is horrible and just doesn't suit us. It's a massive deviation from Bielsa
> .. chalk and cheese
> On Friday, 11 March 2022, 09:56:02 GMT, John Lee via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> Only area of disagreement with Rich is Rapha - we didn’t have a best
> player last night - aside from 5 minutes in the second half he did little
> to nowt, and I was surprised he didn’t get sent off.
>
> Bizarrely, imho, one player we are missing is Cooper - he might be too
> slow at times, but generally he knows where he should be. Struijk had his
> worst game ever last night, and Ayling is not a centre-back, although I’d
> give him the ‘tried-hardest’ badge for last night.
>
> Unless Marsch wakes up re player positions, we’ve had it. I think it’s
> going to be a bitter end to the Bielsa era, but at least we got to see
> Bielsa-ball for a couple of years - we’ll never see the like again :-(
>
> Very glad the Norwich game isn’t televised!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:48, Robert Heath wrote:
> >
> > Still it's not all doom & gloom.Derby and Chelsea are both in
> > serious shit!
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:42 AM n...@6haroldplace.co.uk <
> > n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Agree with that Rich - I swear if I have to watch another lofted ball
> from
> >> Koch, dropped into the box from 50 yards out, with no one in sight but
> >> their keeper…
> >>
> >> How bad was that? I left bang on the whistle and walked straight on to
> the
> >> first bus in the station and got a seat…no mad queues watching the
> first 5
> >> or 6 buses leave, all the folk buzzing and chattering about something
> >> brilliant in the game. Flat. We have forgotten what it was like before
> and
> >> become inured.
> >>
> >> A wise woman once sang ‘you don’t know what you got til it’s gone’.
> >>
> >> Nick
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:15, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
> >> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Couldn't get to sleep last night after that performance. Yes I felt it
> >> was time for Bielsa to go but not to be replaced by this, which is the
> >> worst of Heckingbottom, Blackwell and Warnock. Marsch has a difficult
> job
> >> but when it was said that he is the ideal person to replace Bielsa
> because
> >> he plays the same pressing, attacking style nothing could be further
> from
> >> the truth.
> >>> He is trying to make us compact by packing the midfield and bringing
> the
> >> wingers more central. This totally negates any attacking options we
> have.
> >> We were all about fast movment from defence to attack, down the wings
> with
> >> overlapping wing backs. That's gone, Bielsa ball is dead and we're left
> >> with midfielders who are not midfielders on the ball not knowing what to
> >> do. As performances go that's the most clueless I've seen us since the
> >> Heckingbottom days. Ok we've suffered some bad defeats under Bielsa
> >>
Re: [LU] VIlla
The difference is that Clough took over the champions of England, and - arguably - the best club side in Europe. Marsch took over a team in freefall. He also hasn't walked into the dressing room and told them that everything they'd achieved had been through cheating. Cheers! Sean -Original Message- From: nattan--- via Leedslist To: Richard Walker Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) Sent: Fri, Mar 11, 2022 5:34 am Subject: Re: [LU] VIlla Odd that I did my report before I read yours and we both said it should be Ayling at right back, Koch at centre back, and Dallas in midfield. If we can see that ( and I dont claim any great knowhow or insight into tactics etc) then why cant the manager Yes Bielsa did the same with thses players at times but it was when the proper player was unfit and in a formation and way of playing that they all knew and understood Jesse's reign may be shortlived - is it more than 44 days to the end of the season? thinking Clough after he replaced a legend - not sure what our ' record's is now Dave On Friday, 11 March 2022, 10:19:21 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist wrote: I agree - we didn't have a best player as such but I thought second half Raph was on the ball a lot and was initiating a lot fo good cross field balls which is not normally what he does but he was trying to adapt. System is horrible and just doesn't suit us. It's a massive deviation from Bielsa .. chalk and cheese On Friday, 11 March 2022, 09:56:02 GMT, John Lee via Leedslist wrote: Only area of disagreement with Rich is Rapha - we didn’t have a best player last night - aside from 5 minutes in the second half he did little to nowt, and I was surprised he didn’t get sent off. Bizarrely, imho, one player we are missing is Cooper - he might be too slow at times, but generally he knows where he should be. Struijk had his worst game ever last night, and Ayling is not a centre-back, although I’d give him the ‘tried-hardest’ badge for last night. Unless Marsch wakes up re player positions, we’ve had it. I think it’s going to be a bitter end to the Bielsa era, but at least we got to see Bielsa-ball for a couple of years - we’ll never see the like again :-( Very glad the Norwich game isn’t televised! Sent from my iPad > On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:48, Robert Heath wrote: > > Still it's not all doom & gloom.Derby and Chelsea are both in > serious shit! > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:42 AM n...@6haroldplace.co.uk < > n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote: > >> Agree with that Rich - I swear if I have to watch another lofted ball from >> Koch, dropped into the box from 50 yards out, with no one in sight but >> their keeper… >> >> How bad was that? I left bang on the whistle and walked straight on to the >> first bus in the station and got a seat…no mad queues watching the first 5 >> or 6 buses leave, all the folk buzzing and chattering about something >> brilliant in the game. Flat. We have forgotten what it was like before and >> become inured. >> >> A wise woman once sang ‘you don’t know what you got til it’s gone’. >> >> Nick >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:15, Richard Walker via Leedslist < >> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: >>> >>> Couldn't get to sleep last night after that performance. Yes I felt it >> was time for Bielsa to go but not to be replaced by this, which is the >> worst of Heckingbottom, Blackwell and Warnock. Marsch has a difficult job >> but when it was said that he is the ideal person to replace Bielsa because >> he plays the same pressing, attacking style nothing could be further from >> the truth. >>> He is trying to make us compact by packing the midfield and bringing the >> wingers more central. This totally negates any attacking options we have. >> We were all about fast movment from defence to attack, down the wings with >> overlapping wing backs. That's gone, Bielsa ball is dead and we're left >> with midfielders who are not midfielders on the ball not knowing what to >> do. As performances go that's the most clueless I've seen us since the >> Heckingbottom days. Ok we've suffered some bad defeats under Bielsa >> recently but in those games we kept going and still created chances. We >> didn't create anything that troubled their keeper last night. The crowd got >> on the backs of the players and when their 3rd went in a chant of Marcelo >> Bielsa echoed around the ground and then a large number of fans actually >> left. The ground was half empty by the final whistle. >>> A bloke behind me shouted "This is the sort of shit we used to see >
Re: [LU] VIlla
Robert,
Do you really think Ayling is a better centre-half than Cresswell, Lllorente
and Koch? Or that Dallas is a better right-back than Ayling? Or that James is a
better centre-forward than either Bamford or Gelhardt?
Cheers!
Sean
-Original Message-
From: Robert Heath
To: nat...@sky.com
Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org)
Sent: Fri, Mar 11, 2022 6:08 am
Subject: Re: [LU] VIlla
As I've already written, I was as appalled as everybody else about last
night.
However, I would like to throw in a couple of caveats which might
constitute glimmers of hope:
1. One positive was that we did look good for the 1st 10 mins of the 2nd
half, which means it seems the players did respond to him. If we could have
just got an equaliser ...got the crowd on our side...who knows?
2. I actually agree with the idea of Koch where he was last night. I think
it was an attempt to maybe play a defensive block of 4 + 1 in a bid to make
sure we didn't ship a shitload of goals again ("hollow laughter"). This
bloody "ooh our manager plays players out of position" line drives me mad.
(Just like all the drivel that is written about positions in the batting
order for the England cricket team.) If you're a good footballer (which
believe it or not all these lads are) you can play anywhere. Pep Guardiola
has said this about Foden.he doesn't play a position, he plays
football.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:34 AM nattan--- via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> Odd that I did my report before I read yours and we both said it should
> be Ayling at right back, Koch at centre back, and Dallas in midfield. If
> we can see that ( and I dont claim any great knowhow or insight into
> tactics etc) then why cant the manager
> Yes Bielsa did the same with thses players at times but it was when the
> proper player was unfit and in a formation and way of playing that they all
> knew and understood
> Jesse's reign may be shortlived - is it more than 44 days to the end of
> the season? thinking Clough after he replaced a legend - not sure what our
> ' record's is now
> Dave
> On Friday, 11 March 2022, 10:19:21 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> I agree - we didn't have a best player as such but I thought second half
> Raph was on the ball a lot and was initiating a lot fo good cross field
> balls which is not normally what he does but he was trying to adapt. System
> is horrible and just doesn't suit us. It's a massive deviation from Bielsa
> .. chalk and cheese
> On Friday, 11 March 2022, 09:56:02 GMT, John Lee via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> Only area of disagreement with Rich is Rapha - we didn’t have a best
> player last night - aside from 5 minutes in the second half he did little
> to nowt, and I was surprised he didn’t get sent off.
>
> Bizarrely, imho, one player we are missing is Cooper - he might be too
> slow at times, but generally he knows where he should be. Struijk had his
> worst game ever last night, and Ayling is not a centre-back, although I’d
> give him the ‘tried-hardest’ badge for last night.
>
> Unless Marsch wakes up re player positions, we’ve had it. I think it’s
> going to be a bitter end to the Bielsa era, but at least we got to see
> Bielsa-ball for a couple of years - we’ll never see the like again :-(
>
> Very glad the Norwich game isn’t televised!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:48, Robert Heath wrote:
> >
> > Still it's not all doom & gloom.Derby and Chelsea are both in
> > serious shit!
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:42 AM n...@6haroldplace.co.uk <
> > n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Agree with that Rich - I swear if I have to watch another lofted ball
> from
> >> Koch, dropped into the box from 50 yards out, with no one in sight but
> >> their keeper…
> >>
> >> How bad was that? I left bang on the whistle and walked straight on to
> the
> >> first bus in the station and got a seat…no mad queues watching the
> first 5
> >> or 6 buses leave, all the folk buzzing and chattering about something
> >> brilliant in the game. Flat. We have forgotten what it was like before
> and
> >> become inured.
> >>
> >> A wise woman once sang ‘you don’t know what you got til it’s gone’.
> >>
> >> Nick
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:15, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
> >> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Couldn't get to sleep last night after that performance. Yes I felt it
> >
Re: [LU] VIlla
I agree that good footballers can and should be able to adapt to many
different positions however there are very few central defenders in the PL that
are comfortable in midfield.
Koch is not one of them. Fish out of water and I'm surprised you can't see it.
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 11:08:41 GMT, Robert Heath
wrote:
As I've already written, I was as appalled as everybody else about last night.
However, I would like to throw in a couple of caveats which might constitute
glimmers of hope:1. One positive was that we did look good for the 1st 10 mins
of the 2nd half, which means it seems the players did respond to him. If we
could have just got an equaliser ...got the crowd on our side...who
knows?2. I actually agree with the idea of Koch where he was last night. I
think it was an attempt to maybe play a defensive block of 4 + 1 in a bid to
make sure we didn't ship a shitload of goals again ("hollow laughter"). This
bloody "ooh our manager plays players out of position" line drives me mad.
(Just like all the drivel that is written about positions in the batting order
for the England cricket team.) If you're a good footballer (which believe it or
not all these lads are) you can play anywhere. Pep Guardiola has said this
about Foden.he doesn't play a position, he plays football.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:34 AM nattan--- via Leedslist
wrote:
Odd that I did my report before I read yours and we both said it should be
Ayling at right back, Koch at centre back, and Dallas in midfield. If we can
see that ( and I dont claim any great knowhow or insight into tactics etc)
then why cant the manager
Yes Bielsa did the same with thses players at times but it was when the proper
player was unfit and in a formation and way of playing that they all knew and
understood
Jesse's reign may be shortlived - is it more than 44 days to the end of the
season? thinking Clough after he replaced a legend - not sure what our '
record's is now
Dave
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 10:19:21 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist
wrote:
I agree - we didn't have a best player as such but I thought second half Raph
was on the ball a lot and was initiating a lot fo good cross field balls which
is not normally what he does but he was trying to adapt. System is horrible and
just doesn't suit us. It's a massive deviation from Bielsa .. chalk and cheese
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 09:56:02 GMT, John Lee via Leedslist
wrote:
Only area of disagreement with Rich is Rapha - we didn’t have a best player
last night - aside from 5 minutes in the second half he did little to nowt, and
I was surprised he didn’t get sent off.
Bizarrely, imho, one player we are missing is Cooper - he might be too slow at
times, but generally he knows where he should be. Struijk had his worst game
ever last night, and Ayling is not a centre-back, although I’d give him the
‘tried-hardest’ badge for last night.
Unless Marsch wakes up re player positions, we’ve had it. I think it’s going to
be a bitter end to the Bielsa era, but at least we got to see Bielsa-ball for a
couple of years - we’ll never see the like again :-(
Very glad the Norwich game isn’t televised!
Sent from my iPad
> On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:48, Robert Heath wrote:
>
> Still it's not all doom & gloom.Derby and Chelsea are both in
> serious shit!
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:42 AM n...@6haroldplace.co.uk <
> n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Agree with that Rich - I swear if I have to watch another lofted ball from
>> Koch, dropped into the box from 50 yards out, with no one in sight but
>> their keeper…
>>
>> How bad was that? I left bang on the whistle and walked straight on to the
>> first bus in the station and got a seat…no mad queues watching the first 5
>> or 6 buses leave, all the folk buzzing and chattering about something
>> brilliant in the game. Flat. We have forgotten what it was like before and
>> become inured.
>>
>> A wise woman once sang ‘you don’t know what you got til it’s gone’.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:15, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Couldn't get to sleep last night after that performance. Yes I felt it
>> was time for Bielsa to go but not to be replaced by this, which is the
>> worst of Heckingbottom, Blackwell and Warnock. Marsch has a difficult job
>> but when it was said that he is the ideal person to replace Bielsa because
>> he plays the same pressing, attacking style nothing could be further from
>> the truth.
>>> He is trying to make us compact by packing the midfield and bringing the
>> wingers more central. This totally negates any attacking options we have.
>> We were all about fast movment from defence to attack, down the wings with
>> overlapping wing backs. That's gone, Bielsa ball is dead and we're left
>> with midfielders who are not midfielders on the ball not knowing what to
>> do. As
Re: [LU] VIlla
This game came at the end of a tough week, and I was watching it, convinced
that we were going to lose because everything else had gone wrong. All the
same, we were appalling, and I am convinced there is no way we can avoid
relegation. We don't deserve to avoid relegation; we are a dreadful team
playing dreadful football.
At the end of the day, the management has proven itself an abysmal failure.
When they were taking Bielsa, they knew that the guy was like a Benzedrine
tablet; he would get you up, and then there would be a crash. They waited for
the crash instead of avoiding it. Bielsa should have gone at Christmas; we
should have bought at Christmas and had a new manager in by Christmas. None of
this was done, and we are left with a catastrophic aftermath.
This is the Leeds way of doing everything look as if you can and then prove
that you can't. Always drama never victories any pride and lots of disgrace.
The only silver lining I see is that it will be getting out of the division,
which is a hive of mercenary scum and assorted murderers and international
thieves. The 2nd division is more about football and cities with football
teams. You can't say that about the Premier League, and I will be glad to be
out of it in many respects. It is not the old 1st division; it is nothing like
it. So why pretend? We are a shit team and we don't deserve to be in the
Premier League, and the Premier League doesn't deserve to exist anyway.
Dr Michael Benjamin,
Community Psychiatrist.
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Leedslist
Sent: Friday, 11 March 2022 15:46
To: nat...@sky.com; Robert Heath
Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org)
Subject: Re: [LU] VIlla
I agree that good footballers can and should be able to adapt to many
different positions however there are very few central defenders in the PL that
are comfortable in midfield. Koch is not one of them. Fish out of water and I'm
surprised you can't see it.
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 11:08:41 GMT, Robert Heath
wrote:
As I've already written, I was as appalled as everybody else about last night.
However, I would like to throw in a couple of caveats which might constitute
glimmers of hope:1. One positive was that we did look good for the 1st 10 mins
of the 2nd half, which means it seems the players did respond to him. If we
could have just got an equaliser ...got the crowd on our side...who
knows?2. I actually agree with the idea of Koch where he was last night. I
think it was an attempt to maybe play a defensive block of 4 + 1 in a bid to
make sure we didn't ship a shitload of goals again ("hollow laughter"). This
bloody "ooh our manager plays players out of position" line drives me mad.
(Just like all the drivel that is written about positions in the batting order
for the England cricket team.) If you're a good footballer (which believe it or
not all these lads are) you can play anywhere. Pep Guardiola has said this
about Foden.he doesn't play a position, he plays football.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:34 AM nattan--- via Leedslist
wrote:
Odd that I did my report before I read yours and we both said it should be
Ayling at right back, Koch at centre back, and Dallas in midfield. If we can
see that ( and I dont claim any great knowhow or insight into tactics etc)
then why cant the manager Yes Bielsa did the same with thses players at times
but it was when the proper player was unfit and in a formation and way of
playing that they all knew and understood Jesse's reign may be shortlived - is
it more than 44 days to the end of the season? thinking Clough after he
replaced a legend - not sure what our ' record's is now Dave
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 10:19:21 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist
wrote:
I agree - we didn't have a best player as such but I thought second half Raph
was on the ball a lot and was initiating a lot fo good cross field balls which
is not normally what he does but he was trying to adapt. System is horrible and
just doesn't suit us. It's a massive deviation from Bielsa .. chalk and cheese
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 09:56:02 GMT, John Lee via Leedslist
wrote:
Only area of disagreement with Rich is Rapha - we didn’t have a best player
last night - aside from 5 minutes in the second half he did little to nowt, and
I was surprised he didn’t get sent off.
Bizarrely, imho, one player we are missing is Cooper - he might be too slow at
times, but generally he knows where he should be. Struijk had his worst game
ever last night, and Ayling is not a centre-back, although I’d give him the
‘tried-hardest’ badge for last night.
Unles
Re: [LU] VIlla
Michael,
It's hard to argue with any of that.
Cheers!
Sean
-Original Message-
From: Michael Benjamin
To: Richard Walker ; nat...@sky.com ;
Robert Heath
Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org)
Sent: Fri, Mar 11, 2022 8:57 am
Subject: Re: [LU] VIlla
This game came at the end of a tough week, and I was watching it, convinced
that we were going to lose because everything else had gone wrong. All the
same, we were appalling, and I am convinced there is no way we can avoid
relegation. We don't deserve to avoid relegation; we are a dreadful team
playing dreadful football.
At the end of the day, the management has proven itself an abysmal failure.
When they were taking Bielsa, they knew that the guy was like a Benzedrine
tablet; he would get you up, and then there would be a crash. They waited for
the crash instead of avoiding it. Bielsa should have gone at Christmas; we
should have bought at Christmas and had a new manager in by Christmas. None of
this was done, and we are left with a catastrophic aftermath.
This is the Leeds way of doing everything look as if you can and then prove
that you can't. Always drama never victories any pride and lots of disgrace.
The only silver lining I see is that it will be getting out of the division,
which is a hive of mercenary scum and assorted murderers and international
thieves. The 2nd division is more about football and cities with football
teams. You can't say that about the Premier League, and I will be glad to be
out of it in many respects. It is not the old 1st division; it is nothing like
it. So why pretend? We are a shit team and we don't deserve to be in the
Premier League, and the Premier League doesn't deserve to exist anyway.
Dr Michael Benjamin,
Community Psychiatrist.
Oranit,
ISRAEL
SKYPE: BEDENOGA
PHONE: +972-505-317772
BLOG: Times Of Israel ||Quora ||Jerusalem Post || MYCYBERTHERAPY BLOG
AMAZON AUTHORS PAGE;
myRay: Online CBT MYCYBERTHERAPY
-Original Message-
From: Leedslist On Behalf Of Richard Walker via
Leedslist
Sent: Friday, 11 March 2022 15:46
To: nat...@sky.com; Robert Heath
Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org)
Subject: Re: [LU] VIlla
I agree that good footballers can and should be able to adapt to many
different positions however there are very few central defenders in the PL that
are comfortable in midfield. Koch is not one of them. Fish out of water and I'm
surprised you can't see it.
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 11:08:41 GMT, Robert Heath
wrote:
As I've already written, I was as appalled as everybody else about last night.
However, I would like to throw in a couple of caveats which might constitute
glimmers of hope:1. One positive was that we did look good for the 1st 10 mins
of the 2nd half, which means it seems the players did respond to him. If we
could have just got an equaliser ...got the crowd on our side...who
knows?2. I actually agree with the idea of Koch where he was last night. I
think it was an attempt to maybe play a defensive block of 4 + 1 in a bid to
make sure we didn't ship a shitload of goals again ("hollow laughter"). This
bloody "ooh our manager plays players out of position" line drives me mad.
(Just like all the drivel that is written about positions in the batting order
for the England cricket team.) If you're a good footballer (which believe it or
not all these lads are) you can play anywhere. Pep Guardiola has said this
about Foden.he doesn't play a position, he plays football.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:34 AM nattan--- via Leedslist
wrote:
Odd that I did my report before I read yours and we both said it should be
Ayling at right back, Koch at centre back, and Dallas in midfield. If we can
see that ( and I dont claim any great knowhow or insight into tactics etc)
then why cant the manager Yes Bielsa did the same with thses players at times
but it was when the proper player was unfit and in a formation and way of
playing that they all knew and understood Jesse's reign may be shortlived - is
it more than 44 days to the end of the season? thinking Clough after he
replaced a legend - not sure what our ' record's is now Dave
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 10:19:21 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist
wrote:
I agree - we didn't have a best player as such but I thought second half Raph
was on the ball a lot and was initiating a lot fo good cross field balls which
is not normally what he does but he was trying to adapt. System is horrible and
just doesn't suit us. It's a massive deviation from Bielsa .. chalk and cheese
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 09:56:02 GMT, John Lee via Leedslist
wrote:
Only area of disagreement with Rich is Rapha - we didn’t have a best player
last night - aside from 5 minutes in the second half he did little to nowt, and
I was surprised he didn’t get sent off.
Bizarrely, imho
Re: [LU] VIlla
Bleak. But, well... yeah.
Nigel
(the Dublin one)
-Original Message-
From: Leedslist On Behalf Of Michael Benjamin
Sent: 11 March 2022 13:57
To: Richard Walker ; nat...@sky.com; Robert Heath
Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org)
Subject: Re: [LU] VIlla
This game came at the end of a tough week, and I was watching it, convinced
that we were going to lose because everything else had gone wrong. All the
same, we were appalling, and I am convinced there is no way we can avoid
relegation. We don't deserve to avoid relegation; we are a dreadful team
playing dreadful football.
At the end of the day, the management has proven itself an abysmal failure.
When they were taking Bielsa, they knew that the guy was like a Benzedrine
tablet; he would get you up, and then there would be a crash. They waited for
the crash instead of avoiding it. Bielsa should have gone at Christmas; we
should have bought at Christmas and had a new manager in by Christmas. None of
this was done, and we are left with a catastrophic aftermath.
This is the Leeds way of doing everything look as if you can and then prove
that you can't. Always drama never victories any pride and lots of disgrace.
The only silver lining I see is that it will be getting out of the division,
which is a hive of mercenary scum and assorted murderers and international
thieves. The 2nd division is more about football and cities with football
teams. You can't say that about the Premier League, and I will be glad to be
out of it in many respects. It is not the old 1st division; it is nothing like
it. So why pretend? We are a shit team and we don't deserve to be in the
Premier League, and the Premier League doesn't deserve to exist anyway.
Dr Michael Benjamin,
Community Psychiatrist.
Oranit,
ISRAEL
SKYPE: BEDENOGA
PHONE: +972-505-317772
BLOG: Times Of Israel ||Quora ||Jerusalem Post || MYCYBERTHERAPY BLOG AMAZON
AUTHORS PAGE;
myRay: Online CBT MYCYBERTHERAPY
-Original Message-
From: Leedslist On Behalf Of Richard Walker via
Leedslist
Sent: Friday, 11 March 2022 15:46
To: nat...@sky.com; Robert Heath
Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org)
Subject: Re: [LU] VIlla
I agree that good footballers can and should be able to adapt to many
different positions however there are very few central defenders in the PL that
are comfortable in midfield. Koch is not one of them. Fish out of water and I'm
surprised you can't see it.
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 11:08:41 GMT, Robert Heath
wrote:
As I've already written, I was as appalled as everybody else about last night.
However, I would like to throw in a couple of caveats which might constitute
glimmers of hope:1. One positive was that we did look good for the 1st 10 mins
of the 2nd half, which means it seems the players did respond to him. If we
could have just got an equaliser ...got the crowd on our side...who
knows?2. I actually agree with the idea of Koch where he was last night. I
think it was an attempt to maybe play a defensive block of 4 + 1 in a bid to
make sure we didn't ship a shitload of goals again ("hollow laughter"). This
bloody "ooh our manager plays players out of position" line drives me mad.
(Just like all the drivel that is written about positions in the batting order
for the England cricket team.) If you're a good footballer (which believe it or
not all these lads are) you can play anywhere. Pep Guardiola has said this
about Foden.he doesn't play a position, he plays football.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:34 AM nattan--- via Leedslist
wrote:
Odd that I did my report before I read yours and we both said it should be
Ayling at right back, Koch at centre back, and Dallas in midfield. If we can
see that ( and I dont claim any great knowhow or insight into tactics etc)
then why cant the manager Yes Bielsa did the same with thses players at times
but it was when the proper player was unfit and in a formation and way of
playing that they all knew and understood Jesse's reign may be shortlived - is
it more than 44 days to the end of the season? thinking Clough after he
replaced a legend - not sure what our ' record's is now Dave
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 10:19:21 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist
wrote:
I agree - we didn't have a best player as such but I thought second half Raph
was on the ball a lot and was initiating a lot fo good cross field balls which
is not normally what he does but he was trying to adapt. System is horrible and
just doesn't suit us. It's a massive deviation from Bielsa .. chalk and cheese
On Friday, 11 March 2022, 09:56:02 GMT, John Lee via Leedslist
wrote:
Only area of disagreement with Rich is Rapha - we didn’t have a best player
last night - aside from 5 minutes in the second half he did little to nowt, and
I was surprised he didn’t get sent off.
Bizarrely, im
Re: [LU] VIlla
I am left utterly utterly stunned. How could something so good. Go so bad so
quickly. It feels like the rugs been pulled out from under us.
A fucking yank in charge.!!! We’re gonna be a Laughing stock.
I don’t mean to sound racist if I do. And respect to all the stateside whites
but cmon.
Who the fuck signed off on that one.
It’s like they’ve got some sort of plan to go back to the championship for some
reason financial probably and start again. The movie the” producers” comes to
mind.
Disillusioned and so so disappointed.
FUCK. !!
Best regards,Scott.
> On 11 Mar 2022, at 15:25, ni...@sykesonline.com wrote:
>
> Bleak. But, well... yeah.
>
> Nigel
> (the Dublin one)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist On Behalf Of Michael Benjamin
> Sent: 11 March 2022 13:57
> To: Richard Walker ; nat...@sky.com; Robert Heath
>
> Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org)
> Subject: Re: [LU] VIlla
>
> This game came at the end of a tough week, and I was watching it, convinced
> that we were going to lose because everything else had gone wrong. All the
> same, we were appalling, and I am convinced there is no way we can avoid
> relegation. We don't deserve to avoid relegation; we are a dreadful team
> playing dreadful football.
> At the end of the day, the management has proven itself an abysmal failure.
> When they were taking Bielsa, they knew that the guy was like a Benzedrine
> tablet; he would get you up, and then there would be a crash. They waited for
> the crash instead of avoiding it. Bielsa should have gone at Christmas; we
> should have bought at Christmas and had a new manager in by Christmas. None
> of this was done, and we are left with a catastrophic aftermath.
> This is the Leeds way of doing everything look as if you can and then prove
> that you can't. Always drama never victories any pride and lots of disgrace.
> The only silver lining I see is that it will be getting out of the division,
> which is a hive of mercenary scum and assorted murderers and international
> thieves. The 2nd division is more about football and cities with football
> teams. You can't say that about the Premier League, and I will be glad to be
> out of it in many respects. It is not the old 1st division; it is nothing
> like it. So why pretend? We are a shit team and we don't deserve to be in the
> Premier League, and the Premier League doesn't deserve to exist anyway.
>
>
> Dr Michael Benjamin,
> Community Psychiatrist.
> Oranit,
> ISRAEL
>
> SKYPE: BEDENOGA
> PHONE: +972-505-317772
> BLOG: Times Of Israel ||Quora ||Jerusalem Post || MYCYBERTHERAPY BLOG AMAZON
> AUTHORS PAGE;
> myRay: Online CBT MYCYBERTHERAPY
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist On Behalf Of Richard Walker
> via Leedslist
> Sent: Friday, 11 March 2022 15:46
> To: nat...@sky.com; Robert Heath
> Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org)
> Subject: Re: [LU] VIlla
>
> I agree that good footballers can and should be able to adapt to many
> different positions however there are very few central defenders in the PL
> that are comfortable in midfield. Koch is not one of them. Fish out of water
> and I'm surprised you can't see it.
>On Friday, 11 March 2022, 11:08:41 GMT, Robert Heath
> wrote:
>
> As I've already written, I was as appalled as everybody else about last night.
> However, I would like to throw in a couple of caveats which might constitute
> glimmers of hope:1. One positive was that we did look good for the 1st 10
> mins of the 2nd half, which means it seems the players did respond to him. If
> we could have just got an equaliser ...got the crowd on our
> side...who knows?2. I actually agree with the idea of Koch where he
> was last night. I think it was an attempt to maybe play a defensive block of
> 4 + 1 in a bid to make sure we didn't ship a shitload of goals again ("hollow
> laughter"). This bloody "ooh our manager plays players out of position" line
> drives me mad. (Just like all the drivel that is written about positions in
> the batting order for the England cricket team.) If you're a good footballer
> (which believe it or not all these lads are) you can play anywhere. Pep
> Guardiola has said this about Foden.he doesn't play a position, he
> plays football.
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:34 AM nattan--- via Leedslist
> wrote:
>
> Odd that I did my report before I read yours and we both said it should be
> Ayling at right back, Koch at centre back, and Dallas in midfield. If we can
> see that ( and I dont claim any great knowhow or insight into tactics etc)
> then why cant the manager Yes Bielsa did the same
Re: [LU] Villa
Mings is truly an awful defender. Total old school with zero brain. Nick On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 01:40:19 AM EDT, nattan--- via Leedslist wrote: Daft enough ( or just missing lufc?) to get up a 5am to watch the game Decent enough , we look disjointed at times but with 5 players who were not at ER last season - Adams, Aaronson, Roca, Christensen snd leif Davies, what do you expect Ref appalling - gave them a penalty when did not even touch his hand but Mes rescued us with amazing double save and then another when Watkins clean through. Adams and Roca both look decent - Bamford feeding on scraps, James can’t finish ( who knew) - Villa very ‘ robust ‘ at times Ok game after slow start 0-0 at half time , about fair though they shading it with a settled side Lots of subs expected at ht and later but reasonable performance though never like to read anything into pre season friendlies - we battered Blackpool but looked dodgy in win v Roar. We are defending corners well ( kiss of death?) Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
[LU] Villa game tickets
Not sure what people on here think - to be fair I reckon it is right - I spent 20 mins online this Monday getting Wigan tickets on my ST for 2 mates who are silver members and who missed out for Sheff Wed game cos they had all sold out to STs and gold members From YEP Leeds United announced changes to ticket details for the final home game of the season against Aston Villa - but what were Whites fans saying about the decision? The club have said that season ticket holders will now not being able to buy any extra tickets for the fixture while gold members will be limited to just one ticket per membership - read the full story here - and here's what fans were saying to the changes in allocation. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Villa Tonight
John, I was around, but didn't see this - otherwise I'd have ignored it. What are you doing in my Manor? -Original Message- From: Leedslist On Behalf Of john Sent: 09 February 2022 16:21 To: leeds list Subject: [LU] Villa Tonight Anyone watching the match in the pub in Brighton tonight?Sent from the passenger seat of an imaginary Austin A40.. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
Re: [LU] Villa Tonight
Bit of fraternising with my people, Ricardo. Good to see that the South of Engerland is still a toilet.Sent from the passenger seat of an imaginary Austin A40.. Original message From: Richard Naef Date: 10/02/2022 15:13 (GMT+00:00) To: john , leeds list Subject: RE: [LU] Villa Tonight John, I was around, but didn't see this - otherwise I'd have ignored it. What are you doing in my Manor?-Original Message-From: Leedslist On Behalf Of johnSent: 09 February 2022 16:21To: leeds list Subject: [LU] Villa TonightAnyone watching the match in the pub in Brighton tonight?Sent from the passenger seat of an imaginary Austin A40..___Leedslist mailing listInfo and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslistTo unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.orgFind us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
Re: [LU] Villa game tickets
Anyone got any great ideas to work around this ? I had a silver membership then bought Gold - my mate gave me 50% towards that so he could get a ticket too. We're stuffed now. Do season ticket holders automatically get membership ? Anyone got a season ticket or gold membership who can't make Villa ? ok I know it's a stupid question. On Thursday, 4 April 2019, 11:18:16 BST, nat...@sky.com wrote: Not sure what people on here think - to be fair I reckon it is right - I spent 20 mins online this Monday getting Wigan tickets on my ST for 2 mates who are silver members and who missed out for Sheff Wed game cos they had all sold out to STs and gold members From YEP Leeds United announced changes to ticket details for the final home game of the season against Aston Villa - but what were Whites fans saying about the decision? The club have said that season ticket holders will now not being able to buy any extra tickets for the fixture while gold members will be limited to just one ticket per membership - read the full story here - and here's what fans were saying to the changes in allocation. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Villa game tickets
Yes. Season Ticket holders are, by default gold members. I remember the same issue when we were in Europe all those years ago. As a West Stand Paddock ST holder, we often got relocated. We had to buy our Champions League ticket, not knowing where we would sit in the ground, so to keep sitting next to my mate, we had to link our accounts and but the tickets together as one purchase. Ticket release goes: ST SC - Gold SC - Silver General release If you've bought / already got ST seat, and they limit it to one per member, you can't get a second, unless you link your account to a SC - Gold member and buy a ticket under their entitlement. Best wishes, Steve. On 04/04/2019, 15:46, "Leedslist on behalf of Richard Walker via Leedslist" wrote: Anyone got any great ideas to work around this ? I had a silver membership then bought Gold - my mate gave me 50% towards that so he could get a ticket too. We're stuffed now. Do season ticket holders automatically get membership ? Anyone got a season ticket or gold membership who can't make Villa ? ok I know it's a stupid question. On Thursday, 4 April 2019, 11:18:16 BST, nat...@sky.com wrote: Not sure what people on here think - to be fair I reckon it is right - I spent 20 mins online this Monday getting Wigan tickets on my ST for 2 mates who are silver members and who missed out for Sheff Wed game cos they had all sold out to STs and gold members From YEP Leeds United announced changes to ticket details for the final home game of the season against Aston Villa - but what were Whites fans saying about the decision? The club have said that season ticket holders will now not being able to buy any extra tickets for the fixture while gold members will be limited to just one ticket per membership - read the full story here - and here's what fans were saying to the changes in allocation. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Villa game tickets
When I had my ST, no cup games were included anyway, so if I wanted, I could have my seat but if I wanted to go with mates, then I'd buy 2-3 or 4 and sit somewhere random together but I don't remember having to flex my ST muscles to get those 4 Maybe you could get them early as an ST holder and there were no restrictions. The Champs League seasons were the same from memory. There was low takeup from glory hunters anyway, at least until the Depor [and Gala] games. Lazio was a bit of a dead rubber and empty from memory. All of which isn't relevant to the current issue for you I was West Stand paddock. Does anyone else remember the bloke who could come in every game, regardless of kick off time, literally as they kicked off, always sat down with fish and chips in newspaper! End of the row. -Original Message- From: Leedslist On Behalf Of Steve Mosley Sent: 04 April 2019 15:52 To: Richard Walker ; Leeds List ; nat...@sky.com Subject: Re: [LU] Villa game tickets Yes. Season Ticket holders are, by default gold members. I remember the same issue when we were in Europe all those years ago. As a West Stand Paddock ST holder, we often got relocated. We had to buy our Champions League ticket, not knowing where we would sit in the ground, so to keep sitting next to my mate, we had to link our accounts and but the tickets together as one purchase. Ticket release goes: ST SC - Gold SC - Silver General release If you've bought / already got ST seat, and they limit it to one per member, you can't get a second, unless you link your account to a SC - Gold member and buy a ticket under their entitlement. Best wishes, Steve. On 04/04/2019, 15:46, "Leedslist on behalf of Richard Walker via Leedslist" wrote: Anyone got any great ideas to work around this ? I had a silver membership then bought Gold - my mate gave me 50% towards that so he could get a ticket too. We're stuffed now. Do season ticket holders automatically get membership ? Anyone got a season ticket or gold membership who can't make Villa ? ok I know it's a stupid question. On Thursday, 4 April 2019, 11:18:16 BST, nat...@sky.com wrote: Not sure what people on here think - to be fair I reckon it is right - I spent 20 mins online this Monday getting Wigan tickets on my ST for 2 mates who are silver members and who missed out for Sheff Wed game cos they had all sold out to STs and gold members From YEP Leeds United announced changes to ticket details for the final home game of the season against Aston Villa - but what were Whites fans saying about the decision? The club have said that season ticket holders will now not being able to buy any extra tickets for the fixture while gold members will be limited to just one ticket per membership - read the full story here - and here's what fans were saying to the changes in allocation. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Villa - what a f**ing result and deserved
To have 8 , yes 8 first team squad players out (cooper, Bamford, Douglas, Dallas, Roberts , Pearce, Brown and Berardi) another teenager making his debut (Davies) 2 down at half time and yet we go on to win 3-2 just unbelievable - Bielsa really is a footballing geniusPontus man of match, but heroes all round and what a great finish by Roofe to win itClarke will be a superstar. Never say die and really go for it - great to watch as wellNot even going to mention the 2 penalties we should have had ! Merry Christmas to all On Sunday, 23 December 2018, 14:25:58 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist wrote: 2 down but I think we've been the better team despite not playing well. Forshaw and Hernandez must have been at the boxing last night because their passing as been terrible. Hernandez really annoys me when he plays like this. Just simple balls played so lazily and inaccurately. This is why he is not playing in the PL. They've got 2 guys up front who are probably the best strikers in the league and we've got a makeshift defence. Don't tell me that we didn't need some players in January. Philips is no central defender - just look at his contribution (or non-contribution) to their goal. What has happened to Klich? He's still doing ok and he is getting into good positions but doesn't look like he can buy a goal. Harrison has done nothing surely now has to go off to be replaced by Clarke. I think we can get back into this but it's always likely they will score again. 4-3 LEEDS. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Villa - what a f**ing result and deserved
I’m in bits Sent from my iPhone > On 23 Dec 2018, at 15:30, "nat...@sky.com" wrote: > > To have 8 , yes 8 first team squad players out (cooper, Bamford, Douglas, > Dallas, Roberts , Pearce, Brown and Berardi) another teenager making his > debut (Davies) 2 down at half time and yet we go on to win 3-2 just > unbelievable - Bielsa really is a footballing geniusPontus man of match, but > heroes all round and what a great finish by Roofe to win itClarke will be a > superstar. Never say die and really go for it - great to watch as wellNot > even going to mention the 2 penalties we should have had ! > Merry Christmas to all >On Sunday, 23 December 2018, 14:25:58 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist > wrote: > > 2 down but I think we've been the better team despite not playing well. > Forshaw and Hernandez must have been at the boxing last night because their > passing as been terrible. Hernandez really annoys me when he plays like this. > Just simple balls played so lazily and inaccurately. This is why he is not > playing in the PL. > > They've got 2 guys up front who are probably the best strikers in the league > and we've got a makeshift defence. Don't tell me that we didn't need some > players in January. Philips is no central defender - just look at his > contribution (or non-contribution) to their goal. > > What has happened to Klich? He's still doing ok and he is getting into good > positions but doesn't look like he can buy a goal. > > Harrison has done nothing surely now has to go off to be replaced by Clarke. > > I think we can get back into this but it's always likely they will score > again. > > 4-3 LEEDS. > > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Villa - what a f**ing result and deserved
Agreed Dave. What a great win and a performance full of character considering a patched up team and without doubt I thought we were by far the better team and I don't fear them in terms of promotion. Even with 2 minutes left we won the ball and Shackleton is burning forward. That is the mentality of a side who want to win every game. Cross comes over and falls to Roofe and on his wrong foot he buries it in the bottom right hand corner. He'd nothing all game but that made up for everything. The fitness levels are incredible from us. Villa were fucked and even though they fought back into it a 2-2 we just kept firing forward. I criticised the team selection but you just can't because Bielsa knows what he is doing and Clarke coming on at half-time is probably the best decision. We should have had more especially with a couple of certain pens. My scores: Peacock - 7. Couple of good saves and a couple of nervy moments. I think he might have got that first goal. Ayling - 6. Grew into the game but looked rusty. Davis - 5. Young lad thrust into the game at the last minute. He did one or two good things including a great cross first half. However, I think he looked out of his depth at times. Jansson - 9 .man of the match. Brilliant defending and great goal. Philips - 6 I thought he was shaky in the first half and he doesn't do the things centre halves do instinctively. He was better second half. Forshaw - 7 his passing was poor first half, but he battled throughout and never gave up. Klich - 7 Was busy , should have scored first half and one or two other chances. Hernandez - 7 Poor passing first half but second half he came into it and was much better. Allioski - 8. That was his best performance of the season. Lively, good corners, good running and all offside 4 times rather than 20. Roofe - 7. Worked hard but ineffective but one chance one goal. Harrison - 0. Didn't contribute and his poor play led to the first goal. Subs: Clarke - 9. What a goal. Shackleton - he's a lively player. Bielsa - amazing. > On 23 Dec 2018, at 15:30, "nat...@sky.com" wrote: > > To have 8 , yes 8 first team squad players out (cooper, Bamford, Douglas, > Dallas, Roberts , Pearce, Brown and Berardi) another teenager making his > debut (Davies) 2 down at half time and yet we go on to win 3-2 just > unbelievable - Bielsa really is a footballing genius > Pontus man of match, but heroes all round and what a great finish by Roofe to > win it > Clarke will be a superstar. Never say die and really go for it - great to > watch as well > Not even going to mention the 2 penalties we should have had ! > > Merry Christmas to all > > On Sunday, 23 December 2018, 14:25:58 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist > wrote: > > > 2 down but I think we've been the better team despite not playing well. > Forshaw and Hernandez must have been at the boxing last night because their > passing as been terrible. Hernandez really annoys me when he plays like this. > Just simple balls played so lazily and inaccurately. This is why he is not > playing in the PL. > > They've got 2 guys up front who are probably the best strikers in the league > and we've got a makeshift defence. Don't tell me that we didn't need some > players in January. Philips is no central defender - just look at his > contribution (or non-contribution) to their goal. > > What has happened to Klich? He's still doing ok and he is getting into good > positions but doesn't look like he can buy a goal. > > Harrison has done nothing surely now has to go off to be replaced by Clarke. > > I think we can get back into this but it's always likely they will score > again. > > 4-3 LEEDS. > > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Villa - what a f**ing result and deserved
What a great 24 hrs. Warrington's win was brilliant last night but a 95th minute at Villa Park in front of 40,000 is the stuff of dreams. > On 23 Dec 2018, at 15:31, Simon McNally wrote: > > I’m in bits > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 23 Dec 2018, at 15:30, "nat...@sky.com" wrote: >> >> To have 8 , yes 8 first team squad players out (cooper, Bamford, Douglas, >> Dallas, Roberts , Pearce, Brown and Berardi) another teenager making his >> debut (Davies) 2 down at half time and yet we go on to win 3-2 just >> unbelievable - Bielsa really is a footballing geniusPontus man of match, but >> heroes all round and what a great finish by Roofe to win itClarke will be a >> superstar. Never say die and really go for it - great to watch as wellNot >> even going to mention the 2 penalties we should have had ! >> Merry Christmas to all >> On Sunday, 23 December 2018, 14:25:58 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist >> wrote: >> >> 2 down but I think we've been the better team despite not playing well. >> Forshaw and Hernandez must have been at the boxing last night because their >> passing as been terrible. Hernandez really annoys me when he plays like >> this. Just simple balls played so lazily and inaccurately. This is why he is >> not playing in the PL. >> >> They've got 2 guys up front who are probably the best strikers in the league >> and we've got a makeshift defence. Don't tell me that we didn't need some >> players in January. Philips is no central defender - just look at his >> contribution (or non-contribution) to their goal. >> >> What has happened to Klich? He's still doing ok and he is getting into good >> positions but doesn't look like he can buy a goal. >> >> Harrison has done nothing surely now has to go off to be replaced by Clarke. >> >> I think we can get back into this but it's always likely they will score >> again. >> >> 4-3 LEEDS. >> >> >> ___ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >> >> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ >> >> RIP Jimmy WAC-COE >> >> ___ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org >> >> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ >> >> RIP Jimmy WAC-COE > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
Re: [LU] Villa - what a f**ing result and deserved
That's right made my Christmas has that! Still think we need some signings though, cos no matter how much of a silk purse Bielsa's witchcraft is making, there are surely better players out there than some of our depleted squad. I'm cheered by this "in the last 10 seasons the team who's top at Christmas has always gone up automatically" stat too... Nigel (the Dublin one) -Original Message- From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com Sent: 23 December 2018 15:30 To: Leeds List; Richard Walker Subject: Re: [LU] Villa - what a f**ing result and deserved To have 8 , yes 8 first team squad players out (cooper, Bamford, Douglas, Dallas, Roberts , Pearce, Brown and Berardi) another teenager making his debut (Davies) 2 down at half time and yet we go on to win 3-2 just unbelievable - Bielsa really is a footballing geniusPontus man of match, but heroes all round and what a great finish by Roofe to win itClarke will be a superstar. Never say die and really go for it - great to watch as wellNot even going to mention the 2 penalties we should have had ! Merry Christmas to all On Sunday, 23 December 2018, 14:25:58 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist wrote: 2 down but I think we've been the better team despite not playing well. Forshaw and Hernandez must have been at the boxing last night because their passing as been terrible. Hernandez really annoys me when he plays like this. Just simple balls played so lazily and inaccurately. This is why he is not playing in the PL. They've got 2 guys up front who are probably the best strikers in the league and we've got a makeshift defence. Don't tell me that we didn't need some players in January. Philips is no central defender - just look at his contribution (or non-contribution) to their goal. What has happened to Klich? He's still doing ok and he is getting into good positions but doesn't look like he can buy a goal. Harrison has done nothing surely now has to go off to be replaced by Clarke. I think we can get back into this but it's always likely they will score again. 4-3 LEEDS. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
