Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs. TMG
Hi I would also like your thoughts, if thats ok? Regards Lin please browse my family tree at http://mytangledfamily.tribalpages.com From: Jackie bakerj...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, 27 October, 2009 2:02:33 Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs. TMG Please don't boo me off the list yet. I used Legacy 4 and liked it. Then I switched to TMG because at that time I thought it was better. I took a look at Legacy 7 last night, and am thinking of switching back. Except for all the data entry work. I do realize I can import some, but there will still be cleanup work. Have any of you switched from TMG 7 to Legacy 7? And what are your thoughts? If you prefer to email me off-list, I'm at bakerj...@gmail.com. Thanks, Jackie Baker Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs. TMG
You may want to wait a bit longer, I just discovered bad problems with printing Source Reference numbers, the Sources are listed appropriately but not all of the reference numbers appear in the Report when printed out. I am afraid they may put too much emphasis on adding gee haws and not enough on making sure that what they already have really works as it should. Been a Legacy user since early Legacy 2. This is not the first time this sort of thing has happened. I just wasted about $100 on paper, binding and postage of reports to libraries to find out that they are no good. Walt Conner - Original Message - From: Jackie To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:02 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs. TMG Please don't boo me off the list yet. I used Legacy 4 and liked it. Then I switched to TMG because at that time I thought it was better. I took a look at Legacy 7 last night, and am thinking of switching back. Except for all the data entry work. I do realize I can import some, but there will still be cleanup work. Have any of you switched from TMG 7 to Legacy 7? And what are your thoughts? If you prefer to email me off-list, I'm at bakerj...@gmail.com. Thanks, Jackie Baker Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs. TMG
Hi Jackie, Welcome to the list. Yes, I switched from TMG 7 to Legacy 7.0 Deluxe, and I would definitely NOT switch back to TMG for a variety of reasons. I had been using TMG for about 15 years. Although it is a daunting task to clean up all the records, the finished product is well worth the effort. I would suggest asking yourself one question, and let the answer to that question dictate your actions. What is your Vision for the final outcome of all of your research? Finally a Quote from Stephen Covey Keep the End in Mind. Hope this helps and good luck. Charles _ From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Jackie Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:03 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs. TMG Please don't boo me off the list yet. I used Legacy 4 and liked it. Then I switched to TMG because at that time I thought it was better. I took a look at Legacy 7 last night, and am thinking of switching back. Except for all the data entry work. I do realize I can import some, but there will still be cleanup work. Have any of you switched from TMG 7 to Legacy 7? And what are your thoughts? If you prefer to email me off-list, I'm at bakerj...@gmail.com. Thanks, Jackie Baker Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG and then some
The new version of FTM does -NOT- require the older program to import... you
can directly import from any older format however, it is a one way
import... any changes in data done via FTM2008 must be exported to GEDCOM in
order to re-load into older versions of FTM.
Allen
From: m absalom
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 3:10 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG and then some
Cathy,
Thanks for the comments and I am looking forward to trying V7. For the
FTM problem, I have reinstalled it on three drives now always from the original
FTM disk. The problem may come from the bug patch (?) that had to be down
loaded and I have that on disk also. I have tried all export and import options
but nothing effects the fragmentation problem in the slightest. FTM was bought
out after V.11 and they refused to address my problem. Their solution is to
upgrade to 2008. Someone told me that 2008 required the older programs to
export to a GED. If that is the case than the FTM people have their heads in
the wrong place and I have heard nothing good about 2008. I could, if I felt
bold (don't really) try to make corrections to the code but I really don't know
what I am doing and I have a lot of large family files (since FTM doesn't
handle well over 15,000 people). I don't want to mess with it right now. As
for mapping. My husband is a Linux geek and my son is a programmer. Neither
care much about MY research so if I want them to be of any Tech Support, I
have to stay clear of anything MS if at all possible and that includes
anything IE. My husband in particular keeps pointing me toward the Linux
screen. He has even given me programs that run on both OS's to make the
transition easier. LOL {Laugh Out Loud}
I don't yet understand how Gramps (Linux program written in Python, a
programing language) can read my GEDCOM when others can't. Chalk one up for the
Linux people. But there is a positive side to this. I can import to Gramps
(Windows version) and then export to Legacy with very few, minor, problems to
correct. (No more fragmented families!) This is why I am exploring Gramps and
Legacy side by side. Thus, it would not be much of a problem to import some of
my smaller, less developed projects in to Legacy. I will be trying that latter
this summer.
Wishing us all happy trails in all our V.7 adventures!
Jane
--- On Fri, 5/30/08, Cathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Cathy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG and then some
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Date: Friday, May 30, 2008, 6:07 PM
Hi Jane,Three comments.Legacy 7 reports give the option to have sources as
footnotes, endnotes or endnotes at the end of each section/generation.Re
importing an FTM generated GEDCOM into Legacy. There are notes on the Legacy
Web pages on what options to choose
when exporting the Gedcom and I think there are also notes about the import. I
know that you need to check the notes after import. If they have developed
strange spaces, then you've used the wrong option for notes and need to import
again.Legacy 6 works far better on XP - and a computer with more RAM. Legacy 7
requires much the same although for mapping you need IE7 and I think it would
drive you mad without broadband connection. I don't understand people not being
interested in maps. :-) To have the relevant map available with a click or two
is wonderful. Perhaps you haven't seen the zoom level and the Aerial and Bird's
Eye views you can switch to.Cheers,CathyAt 12:57 AM 31/05/2008, you
wrote:Hello again Legacy,I have been lurking now for a few months and though
the recent posts concerning OS and genealogy programs were something I could
comment on.Back
in the early part of this year I decided to begin weaning my self off Win 98
and begin exploring OS and genealogy programs. I had been a Win 98 and FTM
V.11 user. I have worked on Linux and Win XP and because I haven't come to a
conclusion as to what the best genealogy program is for me, I am still using
FTM V.11 but now on Win XP. (Legacy definitely works better on Win XP than on
Win 98.)If Legacy became compatible with Linux, developed import filters that
allowed import direct from program specific files including FTM as doses TMG
and offers an option to create footnotes at the end of the page as TMG does,
then Legacy will have a new deluxe customer.For now I am still trying to find
the easiest way to convert my corrupted V.11 files to Legacy with out having
it completely fragment my file. I should note here that Gramps, (a free Linux
user built
program also available experimentally for windows), produces a near perfect
import of my presumed corrupted FTM v.11 files in, GEDCOM formate. TMG is
second near perfect with the ability to import directly from FTM files with
out converting it to the problematic GEDCOM. (Something
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG and then some
From: Cathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Legacy 7 requires much the same although for mapping you need IE7 and I think it would drive you mad without broadband connection. I don't understand people not being interested in maps. :-) I don't understand people being interested in current maps. I am, however, interested in maps relevant to the time period in which the people lived. Old maps are truly fascinating. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG and then some
Hi Elizabeth, Because they're not just street maps. You can see the countryside and in 3D the elevation. But even modern roads mostly follow old routes. Of course old maps are invaluable but modern are not irrelevant. Cathy At 03:20 PM 31/05/2008, you wrote: From: Cathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Legacy 7 requires much the same although for mapping you need IE7 and I think it would drive you mad without broadband connection. I don't understand people not being interested in maps. :-) I don't understand people being interested in current maps. I am, however, interested in maps relevant to the time period in which the people lived. Old maps are truly fascinating. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG and then some
Cathy,
Thanks for the comments and I am looking forward to trying V7.nbsp; For the
FTM problem, I have reinstalled it on three drives now always from the original
FTM disk. The problem may come from the bug patch (?) that had to be down
loaded and I have that on disk also. I have tried all export and import options
but nothing effects the fragmentation problem in the slightest. FTM was bought
out after V.11 and they refused to address my problem. Their solution is to
upgrade to 2008. Someone told me that 2008 required the older programs to
export to a GED. If that is the case than the FTM people have their heads in
the wrong place and I have heard nothing good about 2008. I could, if I felt
bold (don't really) try to make corrections to the code but I really don't know
what I am doing and I have a lot of large family files (since FTM doesn't
handle well over 15,000 people). I don't want to mess with it right now.nbsp;
As for mapping. My husband is a Linux
geek and my son is a programmer. Neither care much about MY research so if I
want them to be of any Tech Support, I have to stay clear of anythingnbsp;
MS if at all possible and that includes anything IE.nbsp; My husband in
particular keeps pointing me toward the Linux screen. He has even given me
programs that run on both OS's to make the transition easier. LOL {Laugh Out
Loud}
I don't yet understand how Gramps (Linux program written in Python, a
programing language) can read my GEDCOM when others can't. Chalk one up for the
Linux people. But there is a positive side to this. I can import to Gramps
(Windows version) and then export to Legacy with very few, minor, problems to
correct. (No more fragmented families!)nbsp; This is why I am exploring Gramps
and Legacy side by side. Thus, it would not be much of a problem to import some
of my smaller, less developed projects in to Legacy. I will be trying that
latter this summer.
Wishing us all happy trails in all our V.7 adventures!
Jane
--- On Fri, 5/30/08, Cathy lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote:
From: Cathy lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG and then some
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Date: Friday, May 30, 2008, 6:07 PM
Hi Jane,
Three comments.
Legacy 7 reports give the option to have sources as footnotes,
endnotes or endnotes at the end of each section/generation.
Re importing an FTM generated GEDCOM into Legacy. There are notes on
the Legacy Web pages on what options to choose when exporting the
Gedcom and I think there are also notes about the import. I know that
you need to check the notes after import. If they have developed
strange spaces, then you've used the wrong option for notes and need
to import again.
Legacy 6 works far better on XP - and a computer with more RAM.
Legacy 7 requires much the same although for mapping you need IE7 and
I think it would drive you mad without broadband connection. I don't
understand people not being interested in maps. :-) To have the
relevant map available with a click or two is wonderful. Perhaps you
haven't seen the zoom level and the Aerial and Bird's Eye views you
can switch to.
Cheers,
Cathy
At 12:57 AM 31/05/2008, you wrote:
gt;Hello again Legacy,
gt;I have been lurking now for a few months and though the recent posts
gt;concerning OS and genealogy programs were something I could comment on.
gt;Back in the early part of this year I decided to begin weaning my
gt;self off Win 98 and begin exploring OS and genealogy programs. I had
gt;been a Win 98 and FTM V.11 user. I have worked on Linux and Win XP
gt;and because I haven't come to a conclusion as to what the best
gt;genealogy program is for me, I am still using FTM V.11 but now on
gt;Win XP. (Legacy definitely works better on Win XP than on Win 98.)
gt;If Legacy became compatible with Linux, developed import filters
gt;that allowed import direct from program specific files including FTM
gt;as doses TMG and offers an option to create footnotes at the end of
gt;the page as TMG does, then Legacy will have a new deluxe customer.
gt;For now I am still trying to find the easiest way to convert my
gt;corrupted V.11 files to Legacy with out having it completely
gt;fragment my file. I should note here that Gramps, (a free Linux user
gt;built program also available experimentally for windows), produces a
gt;near perfect import of my presumed corrupted FTM v.11 files in,
gt;GEDCOM formate. TMG is second near perfect with the ability to
gt;import directly from FTM files with out converting it to the
gt;problematic GEDCOM. (Something that might have been useful in
gt;opening that FTM 2008 back-up file being discussed.)
gt;But with all the fuss involved, I will continue with FTM until I
gt;have finished the large projects that I have going and start the
gt;newer smaller files in both Gramps and Legacy. I keep up with the
gt;messageboards for all three programs. (ouch!)
gt;I agree that despite the do-able learning
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
Legacy 7 does include CHARTING - it does not use witnesses. Keith .. and pretty awful it is too David - Genbox user, testing Legacy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
Thanks to all for the comments on Legacy vs TMG. I must say that I am a long time legacy user and advocate of the program. My main aim here was simply to get a view of what is seen to be in one program and not in the another. My personal view on TMG is that it has some great features, but is very clunky. Personally I don't find the learning curve a problem it's just the quirky implementation of some of the features. I have tried hard to love TMG and there are many thing's I do like about it, but it's just so uninspiring to look at and navigate. Keith From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Ayres Sent: 30 May 2008 03:45 To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG Roberta, about a month ago I did the same after a number of comments on the LUG, I didn't have any trouble importing my db into TMG but I found it to be a very unfriendly interface as compared to Legacy. It reminded me of the sort of interfaces one would see in the days of my old Atari 1040 or Commodore 64 computers so I uninstalled it and now I sit here updating my familytree in Legacy waiting for the new version to become available. Steve _ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:43:11 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG I downloaded a trial of TMG last night to see what all the fuss about Witness' was about. Took quite awhile to download, quite awhile to install, and after an enormous amount of time waiting for the process to import my current database - I got tired of waiting and went to bed, this morning the computer was locked up and still no database. I poked around the sample database and was not impressed.Very Busy Interface. Relationships are scattered all over the place. Adding People to events instead of events to people as in Legacy did not seem to save me much in the way of time/effort. I found it hard to look at people as family units with TMG's layout. I perused the Manual for TMG and was not overly excited about anything I found there either. I am not looking to change from Legacy just browsing, Killing a bit of time, and hopefully learning a few things but I'll delete the whole thing when I get home tonight, as definately not for me. Roberta Wunder On 5/29/08, Keith Bage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone tell me what functionality that Legacy offers over and above TMG? Has anyone moved over from TMG to Legacy recently and if so why? Of course I'm also happy to hear what TMG can do that Legacy can't but that might be slightly off topic (not sure). Keith Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp _ Hotmail on your mobile. Never http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=343869 miss another e-mail with Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
Then how come you are still a member of the LEGACY USERS GROUP and not the tmg group. Oh, I know you've seen the errors of your way and want to come back Steve Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 15:48:05 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com to all, My whole family switched to TMG, by Wholly Genes! TMG is orders of magnitudes better than Legacy! TMG handles duplicates much better! TMG handles and sorts on aliases! TMG has a bigger learning curve. In TMG, you can customize your working screen(s) - better than Legacy ever will be. Legacy is pretty and quickbut, Legacy can not compare to TMG! Down size is the entry price of 70 USD. Plus, 20 USD per seat for file collaboration - ie: file locking! If you need a lot of data per person. Go to TMG! ERB, a long time Legacy user! Now living in the TMG world! - Original Message From: Keith Bage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:21:07 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG Can anyone tell me what functionality that Legacy offers over and above TMG? Has anyone moved over from TMG to Legacy recently and if so why? Of course I’m also happy to hear what TMG can do that Legacy can’t but that might be slightly off topic (not sure). KeithLegacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp _ Never miss another e-mail with Hotmail on your mobile. http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=343869 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
Legacy 7 does not yet support witness, but it does have a very good CHARTING addition. See for an example http://rmhh.co.uk/ Descendants_of_John_HALL.pdf -- Rodney HALL Heywood, Lancashire Suaviter sed fortiter Agreeably but powerfully ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://rmhh.co.uk/ http://rmhh.org.uk/ ~~ On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:10 PM, philip thorne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have used both programs and yes TMG has a major learning curve but as stated it goes way beyond Legacy however the majority of us will never need the in-depth functionality of TMG. Speaking of which does the new version of Legacy include an entry for witnesses and can it print family trees? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
Broken URL in the last posting Legacy 7 does not yet support witness, but it does have a very good CHARTING addition. See for an example http://rmhh.co.uk/descendants_of_john_hall.pdf -- Rodney HALL Heywood, Lancashire Suaviter sed fortiter Agreeably but powerfully ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://rmhh.co.uk/ http://rmhh.org.uk/ ~~ On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:10 PM, philip thorne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have used both programs and yes TMG has a major learning curve but as stated it goes way beyond Legacy however the majority of us will never need the in-depth functionality of TMG. Speaking of which does the new version of Legacy include an entry for witnesses and can it print family trees? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
Broken URL in the last posting Legacy 7 does not yet support witness, but it does have a very good CHARTING addition. See for an example http://rmhh.co.uk/ Descendants_of_John_HALL.pdf -- Rodney HALL Heywood, Lancashire Suaviter sed fortiter Agreeably but powerfully ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://rmhh.co.uk/ http://rmhh.org.uk/ ~~ On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:10 PM, philip thorne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have used both programs and yes TMG has a major learning curve but as stated it goes way beyond Legacy however the majority of us will never need the in-depth functionality of TMG. Speaking of which does the new version of Legacy include an entry for witnesses and can it print family trees? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
Hi I am one who has used practically every Genealogy software,all have some features that are better than others, but overall Legacy is for me , the best. I cannot fatom all the whingers who are not even Legacy users, yet are members of the LUG. Strange or what ? Bill, Plymouth, UK Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
Rodney Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Legacy 7 does not yet support witness, but it does have a very good CHARTING addition. See for an example http://rmhh.co.uk/descendants_of_john_hall.pdf Thanks for the link to the PDF. For years TMG could print that kind of chart and many more. In fact I'd often imported my Legacy file into TMG in order to print out charts. Anyway just to be clear charting is now part of 7 not an additional pieces of software? Regarding witnesses I wrote to Legacy asking for that well over a year ago as did others and I'm surprised that it still hasn't been added. Take care, Phil Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG and then some
Hello again Legacy, I have been lurking now for a few months and though the recent posts concerning OS and genealogy programs were something I could comment on. Back in the early part of this year I decided to begin weaning my self off Win 98 and begin exploring OS and genealogy programs. I had been a Win 98 and FTM V.11 user. I have worked on Linux and Win XP and because I haven't come to a conclusion as to what the best genealogy program is for me, I am still using FTM V.11 but now on Win XP. (Legacynbsp; definitely works better on Win XP than on Win 98.) If Legacy became compatible with Linux, developed import filters that allowed import direct from program specific files including FTM as doses TMG and offers an option to create footnotes at the end of the page as TMG does, then Legacy will have a new deluxe customer. For now I am still trying to find the easiest way to convert my corrupted V.11 files to Legacy with out having it completely fragment my file. I should note here that Gramps, (a free Linux user built program also available experimentally for windows), produces a near perfect import of my presumed corrupted FTM v.11 files in, GEDCOM formate. TMG is second near perfect with the ability to import directly from FTM files with out converting it to the problematic GEDCOM. (Something that might have been useful in opening that FTMnbsp; 2008 back-up file being discussed.) But with all the fuss involved, I will continue with FTM until I have finished the large projects that I have going and start the newer smaller files in both Gramps and Legacy. I keep up with the messageboards for all three programs. (ouch!) I agree that despite the do-able learning curve in TMG, it is clunky, slow and cumbersome and it is somewhat based on an old formate the may well date back as far as the old Atari days (not sure about that). I don't have a problem with appearances since all but FTM allow for easy customizing. I am not interested in Charting, Mapping and uploading to a Website at this point. For my purposes all have something that will do. I do like the ability to quickly create and copy a simple descent tree in FTM for quick sharing and prefer its report format the best. However, I have decided that it may be best to use the reports with sources as a beginning draft in my word processor and customize my own stile report. (I haven't found one that I am 100% happy with). I also for this propose like the FTM option to print sources in line and attached to individual facts allowing for customized footnoting and subscripting on a page by page bases. Although, Legacy and Gramps should really not be compared, I find both to be somewhat between FTM and TMG. I am looking foreword to trying the new Gramps V.3 and Legacy V.7 later this summer. I may have some new thoughts at that point. I hope my thoughts and observation here are taken constructively and applied to future Legacy improvements. Jane Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
This was my experience with TMG, as well. I even got the TMG training videos in hopes they would help sort out why this thing was harder-to-use than any genealogy program should be. And ... Oh my gosh. Those stupid films they made us watch (to keep us busy) in 6th grade were not as yawn-inducing as the TMG training videos are. I've hung onto them to use as sure-fire insomnia relief. (Thank you, Millenia for, not only making a user-friendly program, but for making training interesting, easy to watch, and enjoyable!) I also do not look at genealogy as event-oriented with people attached to said events; this is the TMG approach to genealogy db creation. Legacy is much more intuitive and user-friendly; furthermore, it looks at gen. db creation as people first, with events that happened to those people second. Legacy is much more my style and continues to fulfill all my needs and then some; I was quite relieved to have found it after my bummer-experience with TMG. As I see it, Legacy and TMG use two different approaches and, therefore, fill two different niches in the gen-db world. Penny - Original Message - From: G. C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 5:57 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG I have TMG 6 that I upgraded from TMG 5. I have tried on many occasions to work with it and cannot. If you want to spend you time fooling around with the software and forget about Genealogy it's the program for you. You can dot your I's twice and cross you T's three times. In all honesty I am sure TMG works well for a lot of (A__L) people but it is way too complex and the learning curve too steep for me. I would rather spend my time researching than worrying about the punctuation in a descendent report. G.C. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
Phil, In Legacy 7 Delux, Legacy Charting is sort of both. It is a separate program to which Legacy has a direct link via the Tool Bar Icon. It will directly read your .fdb files and also files from other sources. Ron Ferguson _ New Blog: Free Contacts Database for use with Open Office http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:59:43 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG Rodney Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Legacy 7 does not yet support witness, but it does have a very good CHARTING addition. See for an example http://rmhh.co.uk/descendants_of_john_hall.pdf Thanks for the link to the PDF. For years TMG could print that kind of chart and many more. In fact I'd often imported my Legacy file into TMG in order to print out charts. Anyway just to be clear charting is now part of 7 not an additional pieces of software? Regarding witnesses I wrote to Legacy asking for that well over a year ago as did others and I'm surprised that it still hasn't been added. Take care, Phil _ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001002ukm/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
Penny, I agree. I do not want an event driven style of database but, like you, one that is people/family driven. I would think also that it would be extremely difficult to combine the two approaches into a unified database Ron Ferguson _ New Blog: Free Contacts Database for use with Open Office http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:08:12 -0500 This was my experience with TMG, as well. I even got the TMG training videos in hopes they would help sort out why this thing was harder-to-use than any genealogy program should be. And ... Oh my gosh. Those stupid films they made us watch (to keep us busy) in 6th grade were not as yawn-inducing as the TMG training videos are. I've hung onto them to use as sure-fire insomnia relief. (Thank you, Millenia for, not only making a user-friendly program, but for making training interesting, easy to watch, and enjoyable!) I also do not look at genealogy as event-oriented with people attached to said events; this is the TMG approach to genealogy db creation. Legacy is much more intuitive and user-friendly; furthermore, it looks at gen. db creation as people first, with events that happened to those people second. Legacy is much more my style and continues to fulfill all my needs and then some; I was quite relieved to have found it after my bummer-experience with TMG. As I see it, Legacy and TMG use two different approaches and, therefore, fill two different niches in the gen-db world. Penny - Original Message - From: G. C. Oliver To: Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 5:57 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG I have TMG 6 that I upgraded from TMG 5. I have tried on many occasions to work with it and cannot. If you want to spend you time fooling around with the software and forget about Genealogy it's the program for you. You can dot your I's twice and cross you T's three times. In all honesty I am sure TMG works well for a lot of (A__L) people but it is way too complex and the learning curve too steep for me. I would rather spend my time researching than worrying about the punctuation in a descendent report. G.C. _ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001002ukm/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
Charting is an *integral* part of Legacy7. It is also available as a stand-alone program. -- Rodney HALL Heywood, Lancashire Suaviter sed fortiter Agreeably but powerfully ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://rmhh.co.uk/ http://rmhh.org.uk/ ~~ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of philip thorne Sent: 30 May 2008 16:00 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG Rodney Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Legacy 7 does not yet support witness, but it does have a very good CHARTING addition. See for an example http://rmhh.co.uk/descendants_of_john_hall.pdf Thanks for the link to the PDF. For years TMG could print that kind of chart and many more. In fact I'd often imported my Legacy file into TMG in order to print out charts. Anyway just to be clear charting is now part of 7 not an additional pieces of software? Regarding witnesses I wrote to Legacy asking for that well over a year ago as did others and I'm surprised that it still hasn't been added. Take care, Phil Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
Hi, Penny -- You obviously have a lot more experience with it than I do. I tried TMG (and a bunch of others, like PAF, Roots Magic and GenBox) before I committed to Legacy. It was a no-brainer for me. Legacy was user-friendly enough that I could start using it right away, without any tips, training videos, manuals, etc. The tips on the site (and from this list) are certainly valuable and very helpful, but you can use it right out of the box, so to speak, without a steep learning curve. I tried TMG because it was so highly recommended. But I want to spend my time researching, not trying to figure out how to use the program. It didn't take the 30-day trial to realize it wasn't going to work for me. I think I messed with it for about 24 hours. Penny wrote: This was my experience with TMG, as well. I even got the TMG training videos in hopes they would help sort out why this thing was harder-to-use than any genealogy program should be. And ... Oh my gosh. Those stupid films they made us watch (to keep us busy) in 6th grade were not as yawn-inducing as the TMG training videos are. I've hung onto them to use as sure-fire insomnia relief. (Thank you, Millenia for, not only making a user-friendly program, but for making training interesting, easy to watch, and enjoyable!) I also do not look at genealogy as event-oriented with people attached to said events; this is the TMG approach to genealogy db creation. Legacy is much more intuitive and user-friendly; furthermore, it looks at gen. db creation as people first, with events that happened to those people second. Legacy is much more my style and continues to fulfill all my needs and then some; I was quite relieved to have found it after my bummer-experience with TMG. As I see it, Legacy and TMG use two different approaches and, therefore, fill two different niches in the gen-db world. Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG and then some
Hi Jane, Three comments. Legacy 7 reports give the option to have sources as footnotes, endnotes or endnotes at the end of each section/generation. Re importing an FTM generated GEDCOM into Legacy. There are notes on the Legacy Web pages on what options to choose when exporting the Gedcom and I think there are also notes about the import. I know that you need to check the notes after import. If they have developed strange spaces, then you've used the wrong option for notes and need to import again. Legacy 6 works far better on XP - and a computer with more RAM. Legacy 7 requires much the same although for mapping you need IE7 and I think it would drive you mad without broadband connection. I don't understand people not being interested in maps. :-) To have the relevant map available with a click or two is wonderful. Perhaps you haven't seen the zoom level and the Aerial and Bird's Eye views you can switch to. Cheers, Cathy At 12:57 AM 31/05/2008, you wrote: Hello again Legacy, I have been lurking now for a few months and though the recent posts concerning OS and genealogy programs were something I could comment on. Back in the early part of this year I decided to begin weaning my self off Win 98 and begin exploring OS and genealogy programs. I had been a Win 98 and FTM V.11 user. I have worked on Linux and Win XP and because I haven't come to a conclusion as to what the best genealogy program is for me, I am still using FTM V.11 but now on Win XP. (Legacy definitely works better on Win XP than on Win 98.) If Legacy became compatible with Linux, developed import filters that allowed import direct from program specific files including FTM as doses TMG and offers an option to create footnotes at the end of the page as TMG does, then Legacy will have a new deluxe customer. For now I am still trying to find the easiest way to convert my corrupted V.11 files to Legacy with out having it completely fragment my file. I should note here that Gramps, (a free Linux user built program also available experimentally for windows), produces a near perfect import of my presumed corrupted FTM v.11 files in, GEDCOM formate. TMG is second near perfect with the ability to import directly from FTM files with out converting it to the problematic GEDCOM. (Something that might have been useful in opening that FTM 2008 back-up file being discussed.) But with all the fuss involved, I will continue with FTM until I have finished the large projects that I have going and start the newer smaller files in both Gramps and Legacy. I keep up with the messageboards for all three programs. (ouch!) I agree that despite the do-able learning curve in TMG, it is clunky, slow and cumbersome and it is somewhat based on an old formate the may well date back as far as the old Atari days (not sure about that). I don't have a problem with appearances since all but FTM allow for easy customizing. I am not interested in Charting, Mapping and uploading to a Website at this point. For my purposes all have something that will do. I do like the ability to quickly create and copy a simple descent tree in FTM for quick sharing and prefer its report format the best. However, I have decided that it may be best to use the reports with sources as a beginning draft in my word processor and customize my own stile report. (I haven't found one that I am 100% happy with). I also for this propose like the FTM option to print sources in line and attached to individual facts allowing for customized footnoting and subscripting on a page by page bases. Although, Legacy and Gramps should really not be compared, I find both to be somewhat between FTM and TMG. I am looking foreword to trying the new Gramps V.3 and Legacy V.7 later this summer. I may have some new thoughts at that point. I hope my thoughts and observation here are taken constructively and applied to future Legacy improvements. Jane Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
I totally endorse an event-driven approach. I try to maintain that approach, even within the parameters of the Legacy software. Janis Walker Gilmore -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:32 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG Penny, I agree. I do not want an event driven style of database but, like you, one that is people/family driven. I would think also that it would be extremely difficult to combine the two approaches into a unified database Ron Ferguson _ New Blog: Free Contacts Database for use with Open Office http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:08:12 -0500 This was my experience with TMG, as well. I even got the TMG training videos in hopes they would help sort out why this thing was harder-to-use than any genealogy program should be. And ... Oh my gosh. Those stupid films they made us watch (to keep us busy) in 6th grade were not as yawn-inducing as the TMG training videos are. I've hung onto them to use as sure-fire insomnia relief. (Thank you, Millenia for, not only making a user-friendly program, but for making training interesting, easy to watch, and enjoyable!) I also do not look at genealogy as event-oriented with people attached to said events; this is the TMG approach to genealogy db creation. Legacy is much more intuitive and user-friendly; furthermore, it looks at gen. db creation as people first, with events that happened to those people second. Legacy is much more my style and continues to fulfill all my needs and then some; I was quite relieved to have found it after my bummer-experience with TMG. As I see it, Legacy and TMG use two different approaches and, therefore, fill two different niches in the gen-db world. Penny - Original Message - From: G. C. Oliver To: Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 5:57 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG I have TMG 6 that I upgraded from TMG 5. I have tried on many occasions to work with it and cannot. If you want to spend you time fooling around with the software and forget about Genealogy it's the program for you. You can dot your I's twice and cross you T's three times. In all honesty I am sure TMG works well for a lot of (A__L) people but it is way too complex and the learning curve too steep for me. I would rather spend my time researching than worrying about the punctuation in a descendent report. G.C. _ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001002ukm/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
Keith- I imagine we all could. Instead, please go to this page: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Compare.asp There, Legacy is compared against several others. It is compared against PAF, FTM, RM, and TMG. Thanks. Robert Keith Bage wrote: Can anyone tell me what functionality that Legacy offers over and above TMG? Has anyone moved over from TMG to Legacy recently and if so why? Of course I'm also happy to hear what TMG can do that Legacy can't but that might be slightly off topic (not sure). Keith Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
Keith, For an extremely unbiased :) comparison see our comparison chart at http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Compare.asp. Geoff (...still...at the Las Vegas airport...) - Original Message - From: Keith Bage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thu, 29 May 2008 18:21:07 +0100 Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG Can anyone tell me what functionality that Legacy offers over and above TMG? Has anyone moved over from TMG to Legacy recently and if so why? Of course I'm also happy to hear what TMG can do that Legacy can't but that might be slightly off topic (not sure). Keith Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
I Moved from TMG to Legacy, but that was a long time ago. The main reason I have a large file, and making a GEDCOM of that file in TMG took more than 4 days, in Legacy abt 2 hours. Making the report I always use took in TMG 4 days, in Legacy less than 2 hours. The one thing I miss in Legacy is the possiblity to connect several people to the same event, or many people to one person where none is related. Other than that Legacy is faster, easy to use. Anne - Original Message - From: Keith Bage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 7:21 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG Can anyone tell me what functionality that Legacy offers over and above TMG? Has anyone moved over from TMG to Legacy recently and if so why? Of course I'm also happy to hear what TMG can do that Legacy can't but that might be slightly off topic (not sure). Keith Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
I downloaded a trial of TMG last night to see what all the fuss about Witness' was about. Took quite awhile to download, quite awhile to install, and after an enormous amount of time waiting for the process to import my current database - I got tired of waiting and went to bed, this morning the computer was locked up and still no database. I poked around the sample database and was not impressed.Very Busy Interface. Relationships are scattered all over the place. Adding People to events instead of events to people as in Legacy did not seem to save me much in the way of time/effort. I found it hard to look at people as family units with TMG's layout. I perused the Manual for TMG and was not overly excited about anything I found there either. I am not looking to change from Legacy just browsing, Killing a bit of time, and hopefully learning a few things but I'll delete the whole thing when I get home tonight, as definately not for me. Roberta Wunder On 5/29/08, Keith Bage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone tell me what functionality that Legacy offers over and above TMG? Has anyone moved over from TMG to Legacy recently and if so why? Of course I'm also happy to hear what TMG can do that Legacy can't but that might be slightly off topic (not sure). Keith Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
Thanks Geoff! And completely unbiased eh. To be fair it did remind me of some damn good options TMG doesn't have. Still, very interested to see how the sourcewriter compares. Obviously I still haven't seen that BUT I think it was a big miss not to allow the user to create their own source types (and I do know we can override them). Keith -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff Rasmussen Sent: 29 May 2008 18:23 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG Keith, For an extremely unbiased :) comparison see our comparison chart at http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Compare.asp. Geoff (...still...at the Las Vegas airport...) - Original Message - From: Keith Bage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thu, 29 May 2008 18:21:07 +0100 Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG Can anyone tell me what functionality that Legacy offers over and above TMG? Has anyone moved over from TMG to Legacy recently and if so why? Of course I'm also happy to hear what TMG can do that Legacy can't but that might be slightly off topic (not sure). Keith Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
Keith This link may help http://genealogy-software-review.toptenreviews.com/ Brendan Caley From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Bage Sent: 29 May 2008 18:21 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG Can anyone tell me what functionality that Legacy offers over and above TMG? Has anyone moved over from TMG to Legacy recently and if so why? Of course I'm also happy to hear what TMG can do that Legacy can't but that might be slightly off topic (not sure). Keith Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
What Ann is referring to in her final paragraph is the TMG witness feature that someone was asking about earlier today (or yesterday?) Janis Walker Gilmore -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anne Hildrum Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:06 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG I Moved from TMG to Legacy, but that was a long time ago. The main reason I have a large file, and making a GEDCOM of that file in TMG took more than 4 days, in Legacy abt 2 hours. Making the report I always use took in TMG 4 days, in Legacy less than 2 hours. The one thing I miss in Legacy is the possiblity to connect several people to the same event, or many people to one person where none is related. Other than that Legacy is faster, easy to use. Anne Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
Hmmm - interesting: * This page of the website has been updated for Legacy 7. * The Videos webpage has been updated for Legacy 7. * Some of the Help Center pages now include Legacy 7 But the Legacy Store, the Legacy home page, and some other pages still only reference version 6. They are getting there. Bob - Original Message - From: Geoff Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG Keith, For an extremely unbiased :) comparison see our comparison chart at http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Compare.asp. Geoff (...still...at the Las Vegas airport...) - Original Message - From: Keith Bage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thu, 29 May 2008 18:21:07 +0100 Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG Can anyone tell me what functionality that Legacy offers over and above TMG? Has anyone moved over from TMG to Legacy recently and if so why? Of course I'm also happy to hear what TMG can do that Legacy can't but that might be slightly off topic (not sure). Keith Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
I have TMG 6 that I upgraded from TMG 5. I have tried on many occasions to work with it and cannot. If you want to spend you time fooling around with the software and forget about Genealogy it's the program for you. You can dot your I's twice and cross you T's three times. In all honesty I am sure TMG works well for a lot of (A__L) people but it is way too complex and the learning curve too steep for me. I would rather spend my time researching than worrying about the punctuation in a descendent report. G.C. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Bage Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:40 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG Thanks Geoff! And completely unbiased eh. To be fair it did remind me of some damn good options TMG doesn't have. Still, very interested to see how the sourcewriter compares. Obviously I still haven't seen that BUT I think it was a big miss not to allow the user to create their own source types (and I do know we can override them). Keith -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff Rasmussen Sent: 29 May 2008 18:23 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG Keith, For an extremely unbiased :) comparison see our comparison chart at http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Compare.asp. Geoff (...still...at the Las Vegas airport...) - Original Message - From: Keith Bage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thu, 29 May 2008 18:21:07 +0100 Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG Can anyone tell me what functionality that Legacy offers over and above TMG? Has anyone moved over from TMG to Legacy recently and if so why? Of course I'm also happy to hear what TMG can do that Legacy can't but that might be slightly off topic (not sure). Keith Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
to all, My whole family switched to TMG, by Wholly Genes! TMG is orders of magnitudes better than Legacy! TMG handles duplicates much better! TMG handles and sorts on aliases! TMG has a bigger learning curve. In TMG, you can customize your working screen(s) - better than Legacy ever will be. Legacy is pretty and quickbut, Legacy can not compare to TMG! Down size is the entry price of 70 USD. Plus, 20 USD per seat for file collaboration - ie: file locking! If you need a lot of data per person. Go to TMG! ERB, a long time Legacy user! Now living in the TMG world! - Original Message From: Keith Bage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:21:07 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG Can anyone tell me what functionality that Legacy offers over and above TMG? Has anyone moved over from TMG to Legacy recently and if so why? Of course I’m also happy to hear what TMG can do that Legacy can’t but that might be slightly off topic (not sure). Keith Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
I have used both programs and yes TMG has a major learning curve but as stated it goes way beyond Legacy however the majority of us will never need the in-depth functionality of TMG. Speaking of which does the new version of Legacy include an entry for witnesses and can it print family trees? Take care, Phil Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
Roberta, about a month ago I did the same after a number of comments on the LUG, I didn't have any trouble importing my db into TMG but I found it to be a very unfriendly interface as compared to Legacy. It reminded me of the sort of interfaces one would see in the days of my old Atari 1040 or Commodore 64 computers so I uninstalled it and now I sit here updating my familytree in Legacy waiting for the new version to become available. Steve Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:43:11 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG I downloaded a trial of TMG last night to see what all the fuss about Witness' was about. Took quite awhile to download, quite awhile to install, and after an enormous amount of time waiting for the process to import my current database - I got tired of waiting and went to bed, this morning the computer was locked up and still no database. I poked around the sample database and was not impressed.Very Busy Interface. Relationships are scattered all over the place. Adding People to events instead of events to people as in Legacy did not seem to save me much in the way of time/effort. I found it hard to look at people as family units with TMG's layout. I perused the Manual for TMG and was not overly excited about anything I found there either. I am not looking to change from Legacy just browsing, Killing a bit of time, and hopefully learning a few things but I'll delete the whole thing when I get home tonight, as definately not for me. Roberta Wunder On 5/29/08, Keith Bage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone tell me what functionality that Legacy offers over and above TMG? Has anyone moved over from TMG to Legacy recently and if so why? Of course I'm also happy to hear what TMG can do that Legacy can't but that might be slightly off topic (not sure). Keith Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp _ Never miss another e-mail with Hotmail on your mobile. http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=343869 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
Legacy 7 does include CHARTING - it does not use witnesses. Keith On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:10 PM, philip thorne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have used both programs and yes TMG has a major learning curve but as stated it goes way beyond Legacy however the majority of us will never need the in-depth functionality of TMG. Speaking of which does the new version of Legacy include an entry for witnesses and can it print family trees? Take care, Phil Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Surnames: McKain, Horn, Riale, Ulrich, Erisman, Leiphart, Reed and Henry Website: http://home.comcast.net/~geosci64 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] McCain-McKane-O'Kane DNA Group 1 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
A big thank you to the many of you who have shared your experiences with both Legacy and TMG (including those who replied off line). It pretty much parallels my very short experience with both these programs. I've been doing genealogy for quite some time and am therefore not a novice at it. Until now I have primarily used an excellent old DOS based, now discontinued, software (FamilyScrapBook) because I could also use it both on my DOS-based palmtop (HP LX200) as well as within my Windows PCs. For graphs I used Treedraw and my exported gedcoms. Within Windows I tried the ubiquitous FamilyTreeMaker and just did not like its interface. Recently I tried both Legacy and TMG. My early impressions were that Legacy is much easier to work with and TMG rather awkward. However I thought that TMG's data collection was more structured so that items like sources - which are very important to me - are entered in a more uniform and complete manner. Within Legacy entering source details is much more freehand which means that dates and other items are not always entered the same way in all sources. Places are separated out into City, State, etc (a lot of extra keying in). Such separate fields can be an advantage in database searching and structure. I think Legacy could be improved with a more structured source entry and specialized fields depending on the type of source. On the other hand, the source clipboard is a very nice touch. Different items in Notes usually have different sources or multiple sources. Legacy lacks the ability to indicate different sources for different parts of the text in Notes. This is essential and needs to be rectified as soon as possible. Since I use TreeDraw I did not pay much attention to Legacy's report structures. They appear adequate but limited. It is hard to see all of the events for a person at a glance (like events, AKA's, children and other spouses are each on separate screens) You can not assign witnesses to an event (like census) These should be easy for Legacy to rectify by simply constructing some new screens. Maybe they will one day. In brief, Legacy has the potential of being the premier genealogy software for Windows primarily because of its ease of use. However it needs more attention to a more structured and directed entry in some areas and in sources. Both of these can be achieved easily without sacrificing any of the easy interface. Just one person's opinion .. Again, thank you all for sharing your experiences with me. They were very helpful. Jeff - Original Message - From: Tim Willis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:08 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG Funny this subject should come up! I come home from work to see a dozen emails about something that I have had a lot of thought about. I have been a happy Legacy user for many years, but then thought to myself that I should try TMG just because I thought I should try something different (probably something like the grass is greener in that other cemetery). So I shelled out the extra bucks, and you know what? It didn't take long for me to come back to Legacy. I really toiled about this and wrote my own pros and cons a while ago, and here they are: Comparing TMG to Legacy Legacy Pros . Places are auto filled when you start typing a place (TMG has a 'repeat last field' feature, but you have to go to a menu and find it, where Legacy, you just type and it fills in) . Places are all on one line. (separate fields on TMG) . You can sort events and children any way you want them. (TMG sorts with date first) . I really like the source clipboard (TMG has a 'repeat last source', but it is clunky, and if you have one source that affects lots of people, you have a lot of copy and pasting to do for source details) . Some of the new features like Geo Locations are cool . I like the one click navigation (TMG you have to double click - big whoop!) Cons . It is hard to see all of the events for a person at a glance (like events, AKA's, children and other spouses are each on separate screens) . You can not assign witnesses to an event (like census) TMG Pros . You can see each item (event) about an individual while you edit (events, AKAs, children, other spouses are all visible while you edit) . If the name of a spouse of an individual is not known, you can specify to not print UNKNOWN on a report, Sometimes, you just want a blank instead of an obnoxious UNKOWN on a Descendancy report! . For events, you can specify if the source applies to a date, or place (it does not consider the source for both unless you specify.. like if you found a source for a marriage with one source and the date on another source, and another source gives the location, you can specify which
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
Hi, Jeff Sorry - but my opinion this List is busy enough, without discussion of other FH programs. Regards, Mary Young On 9/18/06, malkajef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In recommending genealogy software, Legacy and The Master Genealogist seem to often come up together. 1. How do they compare? 2. What features does one have that the other does not? 3. Has anyone used both? Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
I have used Family Tree maker for years and recently switched to Legacy. Legacy is better by far. More flexible and easier to use Nico Kleynhans [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 Texel Close Marina Da Gama 7945 Tel: (h) 021 788 3292 (o) 0860 103 716 Fax: 0860 103 720 Mobile: 083 461 4950 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of malkajef Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 03:25 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG In recommending genealogy software, Legacy and The Master Genealogist seem to often come up together. 1. How do they compare? 2. What features does one have that the other does not? 3. Has anyone used both? Jeff Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
Good Day Jeff, Have you been using another genealogy application? If so, you may wish to try out both Legacy and TMG for import of existing data. Seems each genealogy application keeps data just a bit differently so what is imported and to where in the new application differs a bit. If you have not been using another genealogy application I still recommend you download a trial version of Legacy and TMG and enter some information. Trying the two applications will provide you with a practical exercise in which may be best for you and how you work. You might also check www.moss-fritch.com/Gen_Software.htmas I have some information about each, along with other genealogy applications. Best, Denise L. Moss-Fritch -- Original message -- From: "malkajef" [EMAIL PROTECTED] In recommending genealogy software, Legacy and The Master Genealogist seem to often come up together. 1. How do they compare? 2. What features does one have that the other does not? 3. Has anyone used both? Jeff
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
Mary, This is a perfectly legitimate question for the list - in Support we periodically get asked this question, which we're really not able to answer since we aren't that familiar with other programs (I used FTM for years, but Legacy's the only program I've really used since 1997!) Usually I'll suggest that they write to LUG to get a comparison! No one can answer it better than those here on the list who have recently used another program (or may still be using it) and are using Legacy now! If the question were specifically about another program, not comparing it to Legacy, then we would consider the question inappropriate. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Young Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:46 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG Hi, Jeff Sorry - but my opinion this List is busy enough, without discussion of other FH programs. Regards, Mary Young On 9/18/06, malkajef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In recommending genealogy software, Legacy and The Master Genealogist seem to often come up together. 1. How do they compare? 2. What features does one have that the other does not? 3. Has anyone used both? Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
Jeff, Comparing software is always difficult since different people place greater emphasis on different aspects of the program. Both TMG Legacy are pretty highly thought of especially in the US. I am in the UK and find that Legacy users are more limited here. It seems that the more casual genealogist will in fact go for FTM or Roots Magic, both of which have a more gimmicky appeal. I am far from being an expert in TMG but have a copy and have compared it to some extent. So I will give some differences in my opinion. User interface. TMG follows a philosophy of carrying different elements of data in different windows. This makes the user interface more customisable in that the layout of these windows can be saved for different purposes and configurations. An example of the data windows would be the details screen showing all events for a person along a timeline, children appear in a separate window as do siblings, photograph etc. This makes for a flexible but in my opinion a complex, cluttered and uninspired interface. In contrast the legacy user interface is, easy to navigate, clear and concise, yet extremely informative. The navigation is extremely simple and there are a good deal of options also, whilst not being able to move data windows around the screen as you can in TMG. This is really a personal choice. I much prefer the Legacy approach. TMG data just doesn't stand out for me. Legacy has more views of data than TMG, there is a family, pedigree, descendant, chronology and index view. In TMG you get only what it calls person, family and tree views. Features. There is some good common ground across features which both packages cover, i.e. event sentence structuring, DNA, timelines, focus groups etc. TMG seems to have one feature that everyone craves which it calls witnesses. In contrast Legacy has many features not in TMG and some of these will not be found in any other package. These include research guidance, a Legacy home area where you manage your upgrades, to do lists, birthday reminders and there are news articles published by Legacy. There is the ability to create web pages and to publish a CD of your data. Legacy also has many cool features like drag and drop, to move people from one database to another. Reports. This is a tough one. This is where I find Legacy actually does fall short mainly due to the lack of a good integrated drop chart report. There are many good reports in legacy, such as the descendent narrative reports but the lack of the drop chart is a big issue for me. I find I usually export such trees into another program. Legacy does integrate well with an add on program called Treedraw, but this is extra money and still not as good as other drop reports in my opinion. Legacy staff take note this is THE big issue in Legacy. TMG has a great drop report and many other useful reports too. Add-ons. Legacy has the possibility to work with many add-ons as does TMG. You should look at what you would like to use and see if these are available for either product. I almost moved over to TMG simply because it has an add on called second site, which creates websites from TMG data, and they are wonderful. If only they would produce a Legacy version of this. There's really so much to say about both products. You really MUST get the demo versions of both and try for yourself. One final word. TMG in my opinion is amateurish in it's look and feel. I have no idea what there support is like. However Legacy has a great support ethos and the user group is excellent. Legacy is updated regularly for free (you only pay for major upgrades) some times too much so for some users. I would not hesitate in recommending Legacy and in fact I do so regularly. It's not without it's short comings, but I've found that all of the packages fall short in some area. The perfect one doesn't yet exist yet. If Legacy had better drop charts it would be almost there. Hope this helps. Regards Keith Bage BAGE One Name Study (GOONS registered # 4451) www.bage.org.uk P. S. Check out Legacy Family Tree today! This full featured genealogy program can be downloaded FREE at http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Index.asp?mid=5917ADi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of malkajef Sent: 18 September 2006 14:25 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG In recommending genealogy software, Legacy and The Master Genealogist seem to often come up together. 1. How do they compare? 2. What features does one have that the other does not? 3. Has anyone used both? Jeff Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit:
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
I used TMG for several years and have just moved over to Legacy a couple of months ago. I like them both very much much. Between the two of them, you can't make a bad choice. TMG Pro's Con's 1. Steep learning curve - not particularly intuitive as a software. 2. Reports have so much potential that they are actually quite difficult to generate - you can do almost anything with them, which is great for those who have mastered them. 3. I love the main screen, which is an interactive chronology screen. 4. I like the way you can combine elements to set up your own desktop 5. Really fun, knowledgeable group of people on the User's list Legacy Pro's and Con's 1. I prefer sourcing in Legacy - a big thing for me. 2. I don't like the chronology screen quite as well - it is not interactive. Having said that, though, I am adapting to its usage. 3. Much easier to get started with Legacy. 4. Simple reports are a breeze in Legacy In all, I prefer Legacy, and I plan to continue to use it. At present, when I am working I have them both open, but I only enter new info in Legacy. Good luck. They are both great programs. Janis Walker Gilmore Pawleys Island, SC Seattle, WA - Original Message - From: malkajef [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:24 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG In recommending genealogy software, Legacy and The Master Genealogist seem to often come up together. 1. How do they compare? Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
On 9/18/06, Sherry/Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mary, This is a perfectly legitimate question for the list Hi, Sherry I am so sorry - please forgive my hasty words. Regards, Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
Mary, No problem at all! The list really has been extraordinarily busy lately, which is great! That's what it's here for - users helping users! But I can understand how overwhelming it can seem with all the messages coming through! Imagine these plus messages from the beta testers and the ones sent to support rbg Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Young Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:27 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG On 9/18/06, Sherry/Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mary, This is a perfectly legitimate question for the list Hi, Sherry I am so sorry - please forgive my hasty words. Regards, Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
Funny this subject should come up! I come home from work to see a dozen emails about something that I have had a lot of thought about. I have been a happy Legacy user for many years, but then thought to myself that I should try TMG just because I thought I should try something different (probably something like the grass is greener in that other cemetery). So I shelled out the extra bucks, and you know what? It didn't take long for me to come back to Legacy. I really toiled about this and wrote my own pros and cons a while ago, and here they are: Comparing TMG to Legacy Legacy Pros . Places are auto filled when you start typing a place (TMG has a 'repeat last field' feature, but you have to go to a menu and find it, where Legacy, you just type and it fills in) . Places are all on one line. (separate fields on TMG) . You can sort events and children any way you want them. (TMG sorts with date first) . I really like the source clipboard (TMG has a 'repeat last source', but it is clunky, and if you have one source that affects lots of people, you have a lot of copy and pasting to do for source details) . Some of the new features like Geo Locations are cool . I like the one click navigation (TMG you have to double click - big whoop!) Cons . It is hard to see all of the events for a person at a glance (like events, AKA's, children and other spouses are each on separate screens) . You can not assign witnesses to an event (like census) TMG Pros . You can see each item (event) about an individual while you edit (events, AKAs, children, other spouses are all visible while you edit) . If the name of a spouse of an individual is not known, you can specify to not print UNKNOWN on a report, Sometimes, you just want a blank instead of an obnoxious UNKOWN on a Descendancy report! . For events, you can specify if the source applies to a date, or place (it does not consider the source for both unless you specify.. like if you found a source for a marriage with one source and the date on another source, and another source gives the location, you can specify which is which) Cons . Places are separated out into City, State, etc (a lot of extra keying in). . Sometimes you get strange unexplainable errors (unstable at times) . Reports are very hard to work with. . Note fields are hard to work with (especially to get them to print the way you want on a report - where as Legacy allows you to type anything in the notes and they come out they way you typed it on a report) This last thing was the clincher for me (along with the source clip board). It took me a very long time going through the manual to find all of the right control characters one would have to learn to get a report to come out the way you want it, while with Legacy, you hit enter and you get a new line... TMG note fields are like working with an old DOS text editor! Bottom like for me, is that Legacy gives me everything I need and it is simply easier to work with. Not to knock TMG, I like a lot of the features. Some days I kind of wish Legacy would add some of those features - like adding witnesses to events (wink, wink!). But at this stage in the game, I am very happy I went back to Legacy. I will keep it! Hope this is not too much information! Tim Willis Voorheesville, NY Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy and TMG
Ah but they do not have good charts - FTM is far better for them - so I use both programs At 11:39 PM 18/09/2006, you wrote: I have used Family Tree maker for years and recently switched to Legacy. Legacy is better by far. More flexible and easier to use Nico Kleynhans Susan, Victoria, Australia. English webpage: http://www.st.net.au/~susanp/index.html ALSO: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~susanp American webpage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~susanp Research: ALSTON-Suffolk/Bedford/America,post 1850, BOURCHIER-UK, post 1650, CHUDLEIGH-Devon, All, HOLTTUM-Kent,pre 1720,MARTEN-Sussex,pre 1660, OXENDEN-Kent, All. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
