Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books
Chuck <<>> N.p. = no place n.p. = no publisher n.d. = no date (Because the format is supposed to follow the format of place, publisher, date.) Mary Buying or selling a home? Click here for free info on real estate services. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iie8WmWwNrZrEDLfB4Dn1DJj7I93pQvpStvG3SfcH46Rl36Gg/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books
IMHO, put your paragraph starting with 'Each volume' in the either thet Publication area, or the notes area, or both. I am guessing on the NP stuff, but it frequently means No Progeny (in Latin?) ND may mean No Descendants. One may mean no adult heirs, or no adult male heirs. You might check if the book has a prefix or index taht might show the abbreviations used. Rich in LA CA --- Chuck Arbogast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > I have just recently received a book on CD that > has my family > history. I have a few questions about how to source > this book on CD. > Actually there are 5 CD's, one for each volume. > This is a pdf version > of the original hardback version. So, I chose, > "Book, authored > (reprint)", then "Two authors", then "CD/DVD book > (text)". I believe > this is the correct source path. I have multiple > questions about this > source and source output. > > Here is the Footnote/Endnote Citation: > Charles Joseph Eades and Frances (Yeager) Dunham Ph. > D., Descendants > of Michael Arbogast (ca. 1734-1812), 5 Volumes , IV: > 578 (2880); > (N.p.: n.p., n.d.). > > My questions: > Is this the correct way to source this book on CD? > > What if there are more than two authors? > > Each volume is on a separate CD containing one pdf > file. The page > number is 578 in the pdf file but at the bottom of > the text is the > page number and it has 2880, hence why I put 578 > (2880). Is this > correct way of doing it? Volume III pdf last page > in the text says > 2304 and the first page in the Volume IV pdf text > has 2305. So, each > pdf has page numbers in the text that don't > correspond with the actual > page number in the pdf. My guess is on the original > hard back volumes > the page that I want to source would be 2880, so I > was a little > confused which one to use. Any help would be > appreciated. > > And last but not least, what does "(N.p.: n.p., > n.d.)" mean at the > very end of that source? > > Again, any answers or opinions are appreciated. > > Thanks, > Chuck Arbogast > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books
Mary, Thanks for that. It was a case that I didn't notice the scroll bar to go down to enter that info. Richard, Thanks for your input. To all, Do you have any answers/opinions on the rest of my questions? Thanks, Chuck On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Mary Moyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chuck > > << very end of that source?>>> > > N.p. = no place > n.p. = no publisher > n.d. = no date > > (Because the format is supposed to follow the format of place, publisher, > date.) > > Mary > > > Buying or selling a home? Click here for free info on real estate services. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iie8WmWwNrZrEDLfB4Dn1DJj7I93pQvpStvG3SfcH46Rl36Gg/ > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books
Chuck, Regarding the page numbers, I would use the number that is displayed on the "page" itself (i.e. 2880) rather than 578, as, in my opinion, that number is only for that particular volume, but it sounds like it's one big book that had to be split over 5 CDs as it was too big. That's how I'd do it, anyway, but what do I know!! Regards, Dermot. 2008/6/27 Chuck Arbogast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Mary, > Thanks for that. It was a case that I didn't notice the scroll bar > to go down to enter that info. > > Richard, > Thanks for your input. > > To all, > Do you have any answers/opinions on the rest of my questions? > > Thanks, > Chuck > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Mary Moyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Chuck >> >> <<> very end of that source?>>> >> >> N.p. = no place >> n.p. = no publisher >> n.d. = no date >> >> (Because the format is supposed to follow the format of place, publisher, >> date.) >> >> Mary >> >> >> Buying or selling a home? Click here for free info on real estate services. >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iie8WmWwNrZrEDLfB4Dn1DJj7I93pQvpStvG3SfcH46Rl36Gg/ >> >> >> >> Legacy User Group guidelines: >> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >> Archived messages: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp >> >> >> >> > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > -- Try out Legacy Family Tree Software today! It's FREE!! http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/?Click=1440 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books
Chuck, I just read over my reply to you and it didn't make sense even to me (and I wrote it!!), so I'll try it again. Regarding the page numbers, I would use the number that is displayed on the "page" itself (i.e., 2880) rather than 578. In my opinion, 578 is the "pdf-generated" number which shows that the particular page is the 578th in this portion of the document, but 2880 is the page number of the "original" book. The fact that the book had to be split over 5 CDs when transferred to PDF is incidental, and it's page numbering is, therefore, incidental also. Sorry for the repetition, but hopefully this makes more sense. Regards, Dermot. 2008/6/27 Chuck Arbogast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Mary, > Thanks for that. It was a case that I didn't notice the scroll bar > to go down to enter that info. > > Richard, > Thanks for your input. > > To all, > Do you have any answers/opinions on the rest of my questions? > > Thanks, > Chuck Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books
Chuck Arbogast wrote Charles Joseph Eades and Frances (Yeager) Dunham Ph. D., Descendants of Michael Arbogast (ca. 1734-1812), 5 Volumes , IV: 578 (2880); (N.p.: n.p., n.d.). What if there are more than two authors? I would copy that Endnote/Footnote from the Preview, then switch to the Overrides tab and paste that text into the top box, then add "and of Third Author> before the first comma." Then you'd need to copy the Subsequent Citation and Bibliography and paste into the appropriate boxes. Don't forget to tick the boxes for "Use this customised ..." Each volume is on a separate CD containing one pdf file. The page number is 578 in the pdf file but at the bottom of the text is the page number and it has 2880, hence why I put 578 (2880). Is this correct way of doing it? Volume III pdf last page in the text says 2304 and the first page in the Volume IV pdf text has 2305. So, each pdf has page numbers in the text that don't correspond with the actual page number in the pdf. My guess is on the original hard back volumes the page that I want to source would be 2880, so I was a little confused which one to use. Any help would be appreciated. Where an "additional" number has been added to a document, such as a page number which is stamped on in addition to a printed number, I believe it is best practice to indicate that by something like "page 3 (stamped)". In your case, I think it would be a good idea to use both numbers, as you have done, but indicate that one is the .pdf page number. I think I'd enter the page number as "2880 (pdf page 578)". -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books
Just a tip for citing publications while you are learning what might go where - try looking the title up on the internet to see how they are catalogued by some libraries or publishers, for example this from Williamson County Public Library Author: Eades, Charles Joseph. Title: Descendants of Michael Arbogast (ca. 1734-1812) [electronic resource] / compiled by Charles Joseph Eades, with research assistance from Amanda (Arbogast) Forbes. Publisher: Franklin, Tenn. : Westbrook Pub., c1995. Descript 5 volumes. Note Includes index. Contents Vol. I - John Arbogast. Vol. II - David Arbogast, Michael Arbogast, Peter Arbogast. Vol. III - Mary Arbogast, Dorothy Arbogast, Henry Arbogast, George Arbosgast. Vol. IV - Adam Arbogast. Vol. V - Combined index. Subject Biography -- Arbogast family. Arbogast family. Co-author Forbes, Amanda Arbogast. -- Kind Regards Margaret Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books
Margaret, Thanks for the tip. That would be a good place to help on how to source it. I was wanting to use the source writer for all of my souces so I would be somewhat forced to be consistant. Although, I know that even the source writer allows for some flexability. Thanks again for the tip, Chuck On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Margaret Couch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just a tip for citing publications while you are learning what might go > where - try looking the title up on the internet to see how they are > catalogued by some libraries or publishers, for example this from Williamson > County Public Library > > Author: Eades, Charles Joseph. > Title: Descendants of Michael Arbogast (ca. 1734-1812) [electronic resource] > / compiled by Charles Joseph Eades, with research assistance from Amanda > (Arbogast) Forbes. > Publisher: Franklin, Tenn. : Westbrook Pub., c1995. > > Descript 5 volumes. > Note Includes index. > Contents Vol. I - John Arbogast. Vol. II - David Arbogast, Michael Arbogast, > Peter Arbogast. Vol. III - Mary Arbogast, Dorothy Arbogast, Henry Arbogast, > George Arbosgast. Vol. IV - Adam Arbogast. Vol. V - Combined index. > Subject Biography -- Arbogast family. > Arbogast family. > Co-author Forbes, Amanda Arbogast. > > -- > Kind Regards > Margaret > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books
Jenny, Thanks for the suggestion. That is definatly a work around. I don't know how often it would come up but it could happen, so I guess I thought that Legacy could build that in to the program. Maybe in an update. :) I thought that it would be best to have both page numbers too, I just didn't know if there was a best practice. I might just add the word "pdf page #" to my notation to make clear which page it would be. My first thought is that I'm sourcing the pdf, not the book, so I should use the pdf's page number but since the "real" page numbers from the book are on the pdf, I was uncertain. Thanks for your input, Chuck On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Jenny M Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Chuck Arbogast wrote >> >> Charles Joseph Eades and Frances (Yeager) Dunham Ph. D., Descendants of >> Michael Arbogast (ca. 1734-1812), 5 Volumes , IV: 578 (2880); (N.p.: n.p., >> n.d.). >> >> >> What if there are more than two authors? > > I would copy that Endnote/Footnote from the Preview, then switch to the > Overrides tab and paste that text into the top box, then add "and Third Author> before the first comma." > > Then you'd need to copy the Subsequent Citation and Bibliography and paste > into the appropriate boxes. Don't forget to tick the boxes for "Use this > customised ..." >> >> Each volume is on a separate CD containing one pdf file. The page number >> is 578 in the pdf file but at the bottom of the text is the page number and >> it has 2880, hence why I put 578 (2880). Is this correct way of doing it? >> Volume III pdf last page in the text says 2304 and the first page in the >> Volume IV pdf text has 2305. So, each pdf has page numbers in the text that >> don't correspond with the actual page number in the pdf. My guess is on the >> original hard back volumes the page that I want to source would be 2880, so >> I was a little confused which one to use. Any help would be appreciated. > > Where an "additional" number has been added to a document, such as a page > number which is stamped on in addition to a printed number, I believe it is > best practice to indicate that by something like "page 3 (stamped)". In > your case, I think it would be a good idea to use both numbers, as you have > done, but indicate that one is the .pdf page number. I think I'd enter the > page number as "2880 (pdf page 578)". > > -- > Jenny M Benson > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books
Dermont, I understand what your saying and do agree to a point. Page 578 is the page on the pdf, however the pdf's were not split up due to size constraints. The actual book, hard back edition, is broken into 5 volumes, so that is why the CD version is in 5 CD's, you could get them one one CD or they could have combined them into one pdf but they chose to stick with the format of the hard back book to generate the pdf's for the CD version. What is confusing to me is why they didn't renumber each Volume in the hard back version. That is what I was confused about. I guess the main question is what am I sourcing, the pdf of the volume of the book or the actual volume of the book. Based on the source writer options, I thought soucing the actual item I held in my possesion was correct thus the CD pdf. But the pdf is just a scanned version of the actual pages in the book. I may have just made it more confusing but I'm not sure the best way to source it. Thanks for your input, Chuck On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:35 AM, Dermot McGlone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chuck, > > I just read over my reply to you and it didn't make sense even to me > (and I wrote it!!), so I'll try it again. > > Regarding the page numbers, I would use the number that is displayed > on the "page" itself (i.e., 2880) rather than 578. In my opinion, 578 > is the "pdf-generated" number which shows that the particular page is > the 578th in this portion of the document, but 2880 is the page number > of the "original" book. The fact that the book had to be split over 5 > CDs when transferred to PDF is incidental, and it's page numbering is, > therefore, incidental also. > > Sorry for the repetition, but hopefully this makes more sense. > > Regards, > > Dermot. > > 2008/6/27 Chuck Arbogast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Mary, >> Thanks for that. It was a case that I didn't notice the scroll bar >> to go down to enter that info. >> >> Richard, >> Thanks for your input. >> >> To all, >> Do you have any answers/opinions on the rest of my questions? >> >> Thanks, >> Chuck > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books
Chuck: A simple solution might be to use both. In the page field you could use something like this: 578 (.pdf), 2880 (book). This is similar to the recommended format for census citations where there are page numbers both penned and stamped. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck Arbogast Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 10:20 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books Dermont, I understand what your saying and do agree to a point. Page 578 is the page on the pdf, however the pdf's were not split up due to size constraints. The actual book, hard back edition, is broken into 5 volumes, so that is why the CD version is in 5 CD's, you could get them one one CD or they could have combined them into one pdf but they chose to stick with the format of the hard back book to generate the pdf's for the CD version. What is confusing to me is why they didn't renumber each Volume in the hard back version. That is what I was confused about. I guess the main question is what am I sourcing, the pdf of the volume of the book or the actual volume of the book. Based on the source writer options, I thought soucing the actual item I held in my possesion was correct thus the CD pdf. But the pdf is just a scanned version of the actual pages in the book. I may have just made it more confusing but I'm not sure the best way to source it. Thanks for your input, Chuck On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:35 AM, Dermot McGlone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chuck, > > I just read over my reply to you and it didn't make sense even to me > (and I wrote it!!), so I'll try it again. > > Regarding the page numbers, I would use the number that is displayed > on the "page" itself (i.e., 2880) rather than 578. In my opinion, 578 > is the "pdf-generated" number which shows that the particular page is > the 578th in this portion of the document, but 2880 is the page number > of the "original" book. The fact that the book had to be split over 5 > CDs when transferred to PDF is incidental, and it's page numbering is, > therefore, incidental also. > > Sorry for the repetition, but hopefully this makes more sense. > > Regards, > > Dermot. > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books
Kirsten, Thanks for the recomendation. I will probably end up doing something like what you describe. Chuck On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Kirsten Bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chuck: > > A simple solution might be to use both. In the page field you could use > something like this: 578 (.pdf), 2880 (book). This is similar to the > recommended format for census citations where there are page numbers both > penned and stamped. > > Kirsten > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck > Arbogast > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 10:20 AM > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Question about sourcing books > > > Dermont, > I understand what your saying and do agree to a point. Page 578 is > the page on the pdf, however the pdf's were not split up due to size > constraints. The actual book, hard back edition, is broken into 5 > volumes, so that is why the CD version is in 5 CD's, you could get > them one one CD or they could have combined them into one pdf but they > chose to stick with the format of the hard back book to generate the > pdf's for the CD version. What is confusing to me is why they didn't > renumber each Volume in the hard back version. That is what I was > confused about. I guess the main question is what am I sourcing, the > pdf of the volume of the book or the actual volume of the book. Based > on the source writer options, I thought soucing the actual item I held > in my possesion was correct thus the CD pdf. But the pdf is just a > scanned version of the actual pages in the book. I may have just made > it more confusing but I'm not sure the best way to source it. > > Thanks for your input, > Chuck > > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:35 AM, Dermot McGlone > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Chuck, >> >> I just read over my reply to you and it didn't make sense even to me >> (and I wrote it!!), so I'll try it again. >> >> Regarding the page numbers, I would use the number that is displayed >> on the "page" itself (i.e., 2880) rather than 578. In my opinion, 578 >> is the "pdf-generated" number which shows that the particular page is >> the 578th in this portion of the document, but 2880 is the page number >> of the "original" book. The fact that the book had to be split over 5 >> CDs when transferred to PDF is incidental, and it's page numbering is, >> therefore, incidental also. >> >> Sorry for the repetition, but hopefully this makes more sense. >> >> Regards, >> >> Dermot. >> > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
