Re: [LegacyUG] How to combine files

[Jay Wilpolt]

I would do a search for "Modified Date "  after what ever date you started
adding again on the old computer.

Tag those records on Tag1 (making sure you first cleared the Tag1)

Then create a gedcom export for all Tag1 Records.

Import that gedcom into your new file.
Double check for any potential duplicates.

Hope that helps

Jay

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Pat Hickin  wrote:

> Hi,
> I recently purchased a new computer and copied my most recent family file
> to it and then added some information.
>
> Then, without thinking I used my old computer and added some more info to
> the file (the one I had copied to the new computer)-- I added a few new
> people plus I made changes in notes and events of a few people who were
> already in.
>
> Now, how do I get the new info on my old computer added to the file on my
> new computer??  Is there an *easy* way to do that???
>
> Pat
>
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[LegacyUG] Search string for Ancestry

[Jay Wilpolt]

I am trying to fine tune my Customized Search from Legacy for Ancestry.com

When you are doing a search from an Ancestry page and the Spouse Surname is
part of the search request, the resulting URL contains
 &mssns0=[SpouseSurname]
but if I add that info my Legacy Customized search, It doesnt seem to
recognized the [SpouseSurname] as a variable?

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=allgs&gss=sfs28_ms_f-2_s&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&gsfn=[GivenNames]&gsfn_x=0&gsln=[Surname]&gsln_x=0&MSAV=1&mssns0=[SpouseSurname]&msbdy=[StartYear]&msddy=[EndYear]&cp=0&catbucket=rstp&uidh=7t6

Is this something that Legacy isnt doing in the background to create the
actual search request?

Thanks for any help.

Jay '




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Re: [LegacyUG] Search string for internet Ancestry search

[Jay Wilpolt]

That worked great .. Thanks!



On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Bobby Johnson  wrote:

> Here is a link that will do what I think you want.  It searches all
> collections with the full name and B and D dates.
>
>
>
> Bobby
>
> Guess it would help if I included the link.
>
>
>
>
> http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=allgs&gss=sfs28_ms_f-2_s&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&gsfn=[GivenNames]&gsfn_x=0&gsln=[Surname]&gsln_x=0&MSAV=1&msbdy=[StartYear]&msddy=[EndYear]&cp=0&catbucket=rstp&uidh=7t6
>
>
>
> *From:* Jay Wilpolt [mailto:jaywilp...@aol.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 12:37 PM
> *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Search string for internet Ancestry search
>
>
>
> Recently I noticed that my search string that opens to Ancestry.com
> search, no longer is passing along the year of birth and/or death.
>
> Does anyone have a working version that does pass along the year of birth
> and or death?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help
>
> Jay
>
>
> Oh, my old string is;
>
>
> http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gsfn=[FirstName]&gsln=[Surname]&prox=0&gsco=1&gspl=1,&year=[StartYear]&yearend=[EndYear]&refine=1&gl=allgs
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[LegacyUG] Search string for internet Ancestry search

[Jay Wilpolt]

Recently I noticed that my search string that opens to Ancestry.com search,
no longer is passing along the year of birth and/or death.

Does anyone have a working version that does pass along the year of birth
and or death?

Thanks in advance for any help

Jay



Oh, my old string is;

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gsfn=[FirstName]&gsln=[Surname]&prox=0&gsco=1&gspl=1,&year=[StartYear]&yearend=[EndYear]&refine=1&gl=allgs




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[LegacyUG] Advanced Sourcing - Tagged Persons - Specific event

[Jay Wilpolt]

 I am using Legacy Ver 7.5

I am unsure how to attach a source to a specific event on a tagged person.

I have 2057 persons (tagged on 1) who I have an event called "Death Record
- Civil" that I have cut and pasted the details from the   U.S., Social
Security Death Index, 1935-2014

In advanced sourcing I see how to select the tagged persons, and that the
source goes to "An Event" But where do I specify WHICH event. ?

Thanks in advance for any help
Jay




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Re: [LegacyUG] Help with complex SQL

[Jay Wilpolt]

And I am in the   90 %

Thanks!

Any Wilpolt's anywhere in the world are related to me.


On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 6:02 AM, Colin Charman 
wrote:

> Ok, you're right - I should have said "relatively uncommon".
>
> Ancestry tells me there have been 78,211 in 100 years with Jay as a first
> or middle name, so maybe I've met lots of them and didn't know it.
>
> Apologies to any Jays out there for thinking that your name wasn't used
> here  - I now know that is generally a boys name, with about 10% being
> girls.
>
> Regards,
> Colin Charman
>
>
> On 13/11/2015 12:49 PM, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>
> On 13/11/2015 12:00, Colin Charman wrote:
>
> (is "Jay" a boys name or girls name - we don't use it here in UK).
>
> What?!  There have been tens of thousands of births registered in
> England and Wales where Jay is a forename.
>
>
>
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[LegacyUG] Help with complex SQL

[Jay Wilpolt]

I need to create a report of Tagged persons that includes;



Marriage Date Groom   Bride Groom Father
Groom Mother   Bride Father   Bride Mother


But I am at a loss on the way to do the joins so that I get the correct
results.

Here is my initial select

SELECT MarSD,
 IDIRHusb, (HusbSurname, HusbGivenName,) AS Groom
 IDIRWife, ()WifeSurname, WifeGivenName,) AS Wife
 (H.HusbSurname, H.HusbGivenName,) AS Groom_Father,
 (H.WifeSurname, H.WifeGivenName) AS Groom_Mother,
 (W.HusbSurname, W.HusbGivenName) AS Wife_Father,
 (W.WifeSurname, W.WifeGivenName) AS Wife_Mother
 from tblMR

 WHERE IDIR.Tag1 = 1

Can any SQL expert help with the correct way to extract the right info?

Thanks in advance for any help

Jay




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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy files stored on NAS - problems with sleeping PC

[Jay Wilpolt]

You cannot leave Legacy running on a network connection, you need to close
Legacy.
If you try a workaround, I will bet you EVENTUALLY you will damage the
datafile.

Jay


On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Colin Charman 
wrote:

> Hi, I have my Legacy files stored on a NAS (Network Attached Storage)
> device.  This offers me the safety of having my data on duplicated disk
> drives ("RAID") and my NAS is replicating my data to a smaller NAS in
> another building sp I have an off-site backup.
>
> The process is fairly simple - the shared folder on the NAS is mapped to a
> drive on the PC (in my case D:) and Legacy opens the file as D:\My
> documents\Legacy\x.fdb.  The default folder location in Legacys
> options is set to D:\My documents\Legacy, and the default location for
> pictures/sound etc are also pointing to the NAS via the D: drive
>
> This works fine until I sleep and re-awaken the PC running Legacy.  When
> it wakes up and I try to open a person in the Legacy program, I get a "disk
> or network error".  It seems that Legacy has held the database file open
> when the PC went into "sleep" mode but the network share wasn't maintained
> so when it re-awakens from sleep it has lost track of where the family tree
> file is.Â
>
> Worse still, if I start Legacy and try to open my family file in the
> normal open dialogue, it shows my file but if I try to open it, it fails -
> remember that this uses my default location to point to the D:\. folder.
>
> But, I can overcome this if I open the file by navigating to My Computer,
> select the D: drive, then the My Documents folder, then the Legacy folder,
> then the x.fdb file - ie get Legacy to work out the file location from
> scratch.
>
> If I look at my D: drive using windows explorer, it opens up OK as soon as
> the PC wakes up, so the computer has no difficulty locating the network
> share on the NAS right away.
>
> Is anyone else suffering with this problem of sleep/re-awakening not
> resolving links to a network device?
> --
>
> Regards,
> Colin Charman
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Changing Parents in Legacy

[Jay Wilpolt]

I would unlink the child from the second marriage, then go to the first
marriage and link the child to the first marriage..

If you have to have the child listed as part of th esecond marriage, then
again relink the child, then right-click on the children when in Family
View and select "Childrens Settings"
Highlight the child and in the relationship to mother, change it to stepson.

Hope that helps

Jay




On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Patrick Carty  wrote:

> My Great grandfather married twice.  I have both his wives in Legacy no
> problem with that.  HOWEVER:  (you knew there was a however right? :) )  I
> have just learned that his first child was with his first wife, all other
> children were with his second wife.  When I select his first wife, her
> child is considered by Legacy to be a stepson.  How do I change the mother
> of this one child and leave the rest with his second wife?  Thanks.
>
> Patrick Carty
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Generation Heading Spacing

[Jay Wilpolt]

Margaret,

AFTER the report is completed as Word Document, You should be able to
HIGHLIGHT  that line, and the edit that line and all similar lines.

Since it appears to be its own unique style (Font and font size) that
should work fairly easily.

Hope that helps.

Jay


On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Cathy Pinner  wrote:

> I don't think you can without increasing the spacing between each main
> entry at the same time.
>
> Cathy
>
> Margaret Gagliardi wrote:
>
>
> I am generating a "DESCENDANT BOOK".  As the heading of each
> "generation" appears, I want a blank line space between the - for
> example "Second Generation (Children)" and the beginning information
> for those children.  Where is the option to do this?  I can find the
> spacing above it, but I want more spacing below it.
>
> Thank for your help.
> Margaret
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Re: [LegacyUG] Where does the flag get set for exclude?

[Jay Wilpolt]

Cathy,

Thanks for the info.
My inquiry was needed because I plan to use SQL to update about 570 records
for persons to be excluded on one particular item (born before parents
marriage)

So I have the records tagged with Tag5. So my sql will search for persons
with a tag5 and Set the field of PPCheck to be 1 and Set the PPExclude to
be H (which is what is in that field for records that already have the
exclude from pot probs set.)

I always test any changes on a test copy of my database, and I always run a
File check before I start adding information.

Is there anything else I need to be aware of?

Thanks,
Jay




On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Cathy Pinner  wrote:

> Hi Jay,
>
> There are columns on more than one table for PPcheck and PPexclude.
> Why do you want to know?
>
> If you want to see who has exclusions from within Legacy, you can run a PP
> report only for those people who have exclusions.
>
> If you want to see on Family View that there are exclusions, check Options
> - Customise 8.11
> If you want to see what issue has been flagged for exclusion for a person,
> see their Individual Screen. If they're excluded, the Excluded from
> Potential Problems button has an asterisk
> Click it and you can see which category has been excluded for that person.
>
> Cathy
>
> Jay Wilpolt wrote:
>
>
> Margaret,
>
> Thanks for that info.
>
> I see that the PPCheck column (in tbl.IR) is used, but then how does
> it know WHICH Potential problem to ignore...
>
> Jay
>
>
>
> On S at, Nov 7, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Margaret Turner  <mailto:mgroga...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> PPExclude
>
> http://zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/legacys-database/legacy-tables/?tableName=tblIR&tableDesc=Individual-Records
> <
> http://zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/legacys-database/legacy-tables/?tableName=tblIR&tableDesc=Individual-Records
> >
> :)
> Margaret
>
> On 8 November 2015 at 11:06, Jay Wilpolt  <mailto:jaywilp...@aol.com>> wrote:
>
> Fellow Legacy Users
>
> Where in the database table does the Flag get set when I set a
> person to be exluded from Potential problems item (in this
>  case when a person is born before a parents marriage date.)
>
> I do not see any field in the   tbl.IR  (persons) table
>
> Thanks in advance for any help
>
> Jay
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Where does the flag get set for exclude?

[Jay Wilpolt]

I figured it out

There is a second column PPExclude that has a code . In my case the
(Capital) H is used for "Exclude birth before parents marriage"

Thanks

Jay



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> PPExclude
>
> http://zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/legacys-database/legacy-tables/?tableName=tblIR&tableDesc=Individual-Records
> :)
> Margaret
>
> On 8 November 2015 at 11:06, Jay Wilpolt  wrote:
>
>> Fellow Legacy Users
>>
>> Where in the database table does the Flag get set when I set a person to
>> be exluded from Potential problems item (in this case when a person is born
>> before a parents marriage date.)
>>
>> I do not see any field in the   tbl.IR  (persons) table
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help
>>
>> Jay
>>
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Where does the flag get set for exclude?

[Jay Wilpolt]

Margaret,

Thanks for that info.

I see that the PPCheck column (in tbl.IR) is used, but then how does it
know WHICH Potential problem to ignore...

Jay



On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Margaret Turner  wrote:

> PPExclude
>
> http://zippersoftware.com/wp/ltools/legacys-database/legacy-tables/?tableName=tblIR&tableDesc=Individual-Records
> :)
> Margaret
>
> On 8 November 2015 at 11:06, Jay Wilpolt  wrote:
>
>> Fellow Legacy Users
>>
>> Where in the database table does the Flag get set when I set a person to
>> be exluded from Potential problems item (in this case when a person is born
>> before a parents marriage date.)
>>
>> I do not see any field in the   tbl.IR  (persons) table
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help
>>
>> Jay
>>
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[LegacyUG] Where does the flag get set for exclude?

[Jay Wilpolt]

Fellow Legacy Users

Where in the database table does the Flag get set when I set a person to be
exluded from Potential problems item (in this case when a person is born
before a parents marriage date.)

I do not see any field in the   tbl.IR  (persons) table

Thanks in advance for any help

Jay




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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Photos

[Jay Wilpolt]

How about we give the programmers somewhat of an unofficial poll on how/
where?

My vote is to place the photos at the end of the paragraph of

. was born on date, place, christened on date, place; died date, place
and was buried, date, place

with any relative photos in the same order as the events, but as a group,
so as to not break up the paragraph.


. was born on date, place, christened on date, place; died date, place
and was buried,
date, place.
etc, etc, etc
Birth record image
Christening record image
death record image
burial record image

They know what pic is which event (otherwise they could keep it straight in
the database)

White space. just basic math.. page size - where you start/insert image
+ image size = remaining page space

Thanks

Jay

This isnt rocket science
if it too much for Legacy Programmers then OUTSOURCE the job.  There are
thousands of Freelance programmers (freelance.com)




On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Brian/Support 
wrote:

> If you look at those "other" reports you will see that the vital events
> are mashed together into a paragraph of the life details. HE was born on
> date, place, christened on date, place; died date, place and was buried,
> date, place. The programmers have never found a solution they liked on:
>
> a. Where to put the pictures in relation to that life details para; and
>
> b. How to arrange the pictures given that there may or may not be up to
> four pictures to include but each person will have a different grouping
> based on which of the four possible pictures exist. Also in that
> conundrum is how to identify which picture belongs to which vital event
> and all the calculation of space needed to avoid wasted white space on
> the pages.
>
> There is a suggestion in the list to use a marriage picture in the
> header of an FGR report but I have not looked at the list recently to
> see if there are other marriage picture related suggestions.
>
> Brian
> Customer Support
> Millennia Corporation
> br...@legacyfamilytree.com
> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
>
> On 23/09/2015 12:38 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:
> > I think what you are saying is that those two reports will treat the
> vital events as any other event, thus those pictures should appear. Aw,
> that is welcome news then.
> >
> > But your black hole just got a little darker than you thought. Yes,
> indeedy birth pictures will appear on those two reports (I didn't test
> Baptism or Death but assume they will also) but the Marriage pictures are
> still nowhere to be found.
> >
> > So what we can learn from all this is that Legacy considers Marriage to
> be a black hole. :-) (OK, OK, send all responses to brian@null.device)
> >
> > I have to ask the magic question: why are the vital event pictures
> excluded from all the other reports? I don't understand the programmer's
> rationale. In the meanwhile, the marriage pictures are still a problem in
> report generation.
> >
> >
> > Brian in California
> > Plenty of fire but no water to put it out
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 7:31 AM
> > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Family Photos
> >
> > Brian,
> >
> > The Black Hole is not quite as black as you think. There are two reports
> where you can include the vital event pictures, the FGR and Individual
> Chart Report have defined spaces for the vital events and pictures attached
> to vital events will be included in those reports if you include event
> pictures.
> >
> > Brian
> > Customer Support
> > Millennia Corporation
> > br...@legacyfamilytree.com
> > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
> >
> > On 22/09/2015 2:46 AM, Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:
> >> I’m not quite sure of some of the terminology that Leon used but
> I believe what he is saying is correct. What is missing is the fact that
> any picture added to a Vital Event (Birth, Death, Marriage) in Legacy is
> normally never included in any report generated by Legacy. So anytime you
> add a picture to that little PLUS sign on the Individual Information
> window, those pictures are in a virtual black hole….never to be seen
> again in any report and visible only to those running the Legacy program on
> your computer.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcoms

[Jay Wilpolt]

Daniel,

Make sure you have the Admin>Custom Events set to "allow" for each type
BEFORE you import .

Hope that helps

Jay

On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Daniel Landry  wrote:

> Hi
>
> How do I create an export file that includes certain events that I created
> (ie: military attestations).
> When I try try to import my file to TNG my events will not migrate it
> seems that only notes make the journey so to speak.
>
> Thank you.
> Daniel
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[LegacyUG] not duplicates file

[Jay Wilpolt]

Where is the 'not duplicates' file stored?

It appears Legacy (7.5) is no longer seeing the 'not duplicates" that I had
previously reviewed.

Thanks in advance for any help

jay




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Fwd: [LegacyUG] Search Function Anomaly #2

[Jay Wilpolt]

did this work for you???



-- Forwarded message --
From: Jay Wilpolt 
Date: Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Search Function Anomaly #2
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com


Better answer

search for DATE =-

Thats what stored in the events table date column when no date is entered

Hope that helps

Jay



On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 2:32 PM, MikeFry  wrote:

> On 2015/07/19 22:28 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:
>
> > The procedure would seem simple:
> >
> > 1.Look For: Individual
> > 2.Where to Look: Event-Name
> > 3.How to Look: Equal To
> > 4.What to Look For: Cemetery (because this event was previously created,
> its
> > name will automatically appear in the drop down list)
> >
> > Second Condition, AND
> > 1.Look for: Individual
> > 2.Where to Look: Event-Date
> > 3.How to Look: Equal To
> > 4.What to Look For: (leave blank)
>
> Your second condition will give all individuals that have ANY events where
> a
> date is empty. To get what you want, you need to run the search as two
> steps.
>
> Step 1 - to give you all individuals with a Cemetery event.
> Step 2 - working on the list from step 1,
>
> --
> Regards,
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Re: [LegacyUG] Search Function Anomaly #2

[Jay Wilpolt]

Better answer

search for DATE =-

Thats what stored in the events table date column when no date is entered

Hope that helps

Jay



On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 2:32 PM, MikeFry  wrote:

> On 2015/07/19 22:28 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:
>
> > The procedure would seem simple:
> >
> > 1.Look For: Individual
> > 2.Where to Look: Event-Name
> > 3.How to Look: Equal To
> > 4.What to Look For: Cemetery (because this event was previously created,
> its
> > name will automatically appear in the drop down list)
> >
> > Second Condition, AND
> > 1.Look for: Individual
> > 2.Where to Look: Event-Date
> > 3.How to Look: Equal To
> > 4.What to Look For: (leave blank)
>
> Your second condition will give all individuals that have ANY events where
> a
> date is empty. To get what you want, you need to run the search as two
> steps.
>
> Step 1 - to give you all individuals with a Cemetery event.
> Step 2 - working on the list from step 1,
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mike Fry (Jhb)
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Ver 8 Gedcom export to Legacy Ver 7.5

[Jay Wilpolt]

I received no reply from Brian with questions ..


OK, so if a person has used Shared events in Legacy 8
they can no longer export a gedcom file to be shared
unless the other person is using a software that also uses shared events.


Jay



On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Cathy Pinner  wrote:

> Hi Jay,
>
> Last Friday, Brian asked you some questions about this. You may want to
> consider them and answer?
>
> I've just exported my database from Legacy 8 as a gedcom 5.5.1 only and
> it's imported error free into Legacy 7.5. Exporting as a Legacy style
> gedcom produces a number of unrecognised items for things in Legacy 8 and
> not in Legacy 7 - flags for various things from a quick look
>
> You also might want to clarify what you have. "once you convert your
> database gedcom to Ver 8"
> You don't convert a gedcom to version 8.
> You either import a gedcom OR convert a Legacy database.
>
> Note, as Brian said, Legacy 8 has some features like shared events that
> are not recognised in Legacy 7.5. If these have been used, I don't think
> anything will make them import.
>
> Cathy
>
>   Jay Wilpolt 
>  Tuesday, 7 July 2015 8:46 AM
>  So I have tried several ways, but apparently once you convert your
> database gedcom to Ver 8 ,
> you cannot EXPORT a gedcom 5.5 .ged file that will import into Legacy Ver
> 7.5
>
> Since this is a project I am working on for a past client, I guess I will
> have to MANUALLY edit this HUGE gedcom to fix it.
>
> What do I need to do to make this .ged file import properly in ver 7.5???
>
> Thanks for any help
> Jay
>
>
>
>
>
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[LegacyUG] Legacy Ver 8 Gedcom export to Legacy Ver 7.5

[Jay Wilpolt]

So I have tried several ways, but apparently once you convert your database
gedcom to Ver 8 ,
you cannot EXPORT a gedcom 5.5 .ged file that will import into Legacy Ver
7.5

Since this is a project I am working on for a past client, I guess I will
have to MANUALLY edit this HUGE gedcom to fix it.

What do I need to do to make this .ged file import properly in ver 7.5???

Thanks for any help
Jay




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Re: [LegacyUG] Notes Report

[Jay Wilpolt]

Don,

Tag all the persons with 1 tag then do a search for the tag,
FROM the search results you can scroll thru the persons on the left and see
only their notes by selecting Notes on the right.

Hope that helps

Jay



On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Don Quigley  wrote:

> Is there a way to create a “Notes” report for an entire family file?  I
> know I have a lot of old notes from my early days of computerized family
> history data entry.  I’d like to clean them up, delete, etc., but doing one
> person at a time seems like a daunting task.  I can view the notes in my
> TNG family tree, but would like to do so directly within Legacy if possible.
>
>
>
> Donald Quigley
>
> Escondido, CA
>
> Quigley Doyle Family Tree
>
> http: //www.donquigley.net
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[LegacyUG] Ver 8 Customer num

[Jay Wilpolt]

Well I cannot find my email that I figured would have had my Legacy ver 8
cust number (still using 7.5)
(when was ver 8 released ?, I bought it as soon as it was avail)
so, do Ineed to formally submit a request or will this mail list get a
response from Legacy?

Thanks

Jay




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[LegacyUG] Gedcom ver 8 to ver 7

[Jay Wilpolt]

Someone sent me a gedcom created in Legacy Ver 8
It was created as a GEDCOM
but I cannot get it to properly import into Legacy ver 7.5
I understand that because of the version changes there may be loss of event
data (when shared events) but I did not expect the gedcom import to fail.

Any ideas on a way to resolve this?

Thanks

Jay




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Re: [LegacyUG] Two Unrelated Family Files

[Jay Wilpolt]

Merge them

On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Marianne Szabo 
wrote:

> I truncated your last message to include only the paragraph of interest.
>
>
>
> I found an “unlinked” person “Peter Krysten” in his own tree  with an RIN
> of 56.  When I checked the source I realized it’s my maternal grandmother’s
> brother and I used her obituary to provide his name.  He also appears as
> Petrus Paulus Krzstyen in my main family tree, but not with this source.
> How do I get him out of “his” tree and get the info from the obit into the
> main family tree, without messing everything up and losing something.  I’m
> still using Legacy 7.5.0.219.  Marianne
>
>
>
> *From:* Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, June 26, 2015 9:58 AM
> *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Two Unrelated Family Files
>
>
>
> You can have any number of unlinked groups or individuals within a
> specific Family File.  However, that can get confusing.  Go to View > Trees
> to see all the unlinked groups and individuals in your Family File.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Two Unrelated Family Files

[Jay Wilpolt]

Jenny,

I have 1 file in Legacy that has one 'connected' group of 150,000, and also
over 12,000 other 'trees' of yet unconnected (but many probably related)



On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 7:19 AM, Jenny M Benson 
wrote:

>  On 26/06/2015 14:38, OB wrote:
>
> Is it possible to have two unrelated family files in Legacy?  I have always 
> only had my own, but now would like to set up a family file for a friend.
>
>  Don't know if there is actually a limit (I doubt it) - you can certain
> have a lot more than 2 (or 3 if you've got the Sample file as well as your
> own).
>
> --
> Jenny M Benson
>
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[LegacyUG] Now

[Jay Wilpolt]

So now will Millennia at least say they will work on a way to properly code
same sex marriages in Legacy?

I dont expect a resolution quickly, but just at least tell us you will work
on it.

Thank you,

Jay




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Re: [LegacyUG] How to add a source citation to a photograph?

[Jay Wilpolt]

If the photograph is attached an event or attached to a standard event just
edit the record and event and add the source.


On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Brian/Support 
wrote:

> Legacy has no way to link a source to a media file. Jenny's suggestion
> of including the source in the Description field would be a good way to
> indicate the source.
>
> Brian
> Customer Support
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>
> On 11/06/2015 2:26 AM, Phil wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Apologies if this has been asked before but is there a way to assign a
> > source citation to a photograph?
> >
> > I have a number of images from a single source and want to indicate
> > where they came from.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Phil.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Persistent Error in Sharing Event Data with LDS FamilySearch Database

[Jay Wilpolt]

Howard,

Have you also asked Family Search WHY they feel that an event with text
exceeding 255 char is not allowed?
Or is there a field discrepancy that maybe your gedcoms are inserting the
notes of that event into the "description" of that event.
The Legacy Event Table is confusing where they list what we refer to as the
"Notes" field as "Desc", which is a different field than the "Description"
field (which follows the Event Name field in most instances)
Will Family Search work ok if you change the Life Sketch event to a General
Note?

Maybe you could share a snippet of the Family Search gedcom that shows how
the Life Sketch event is stored.

Jay




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>   My OS Windows 8.1, 32 and 64 bit computers, Legacy version
> 8.0.0.499 setup to connect to LDS FamilySearch with remembered name and
> password.
> Some individuals in the LDS FamilySearch database have under “Facts
> and Events” an entry “Life Sketch” e.g. William Scott b. 25 Sep 1801, d. 1
> Jun 1880, FS ID# LWQM-F3Q.  The Life Sketch Event’s description can be
> quite long and far exceeding 255 characters. When I try to share this type
> of event by downloading from FamilySearch to Legacy on my computer Legacy
> does not download anything.  A manual work-around is to use Windows ctrl-C
> to copy the LDS information, generate a Legacy event “LifeSketch” and use
> Windows ctrl-V to copy the LDS information back into my LifeSketch Notes
> field (a MEMO field not restricted to 255 characters).
> There is now a serious problem with my Legacy database.  I can no
> longer connect to the LDS FamilySearch web site with this active individual
> that has this new “LifeSketch” event because the LDS site considers my
> information dangerous to their data.
> This type of error was reported to Legacy months ago and a ticket for
> repair generated, but the error was not fixed through version 499.
> I do not know anything about uploading a LifeSketch Event to FamilySearch,
> but I have my doubts.
>
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[LegacyUG] Video file types and recordings file types

[Jay Wilpolt]

When I go to attach a video file, the link for video opens to only show
"Movie" file types.
I have other file types that are movies that I would like Legacy to
recognize as well , .MP4 and .flv

I know I can currently select these types by changing the Movie file type
to all.
But it seems they should be added to Legacy allowable types.

How do I go about doing that?  (Im using Ver 7.5)

Thanks in advance for any help


Jay




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Re: [LegacyUG] Run-time error 3021. No current record.

[Jay Wilpolt]

Chris,

Dont forget that the system RAM memory and cpu are also a big factor is the
machine cant keep up with the software

Hopefully not still using a Pentium.



On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Chris Seens  wrote:

> I am a retired programmer also and I used to use MSAccess and Visual Basic
> a lot.
>
> There are several very important questions before any possible solution to
> this issue could even be considered:
>
> What OS are you using?
> What version of Windows are you using?
> Do you use any Microsoft Office software on your machine and if so what
> version(s) are you using?
> What version of Legacy are you using?
> Are you using the default settings for the Legacy family tree directories?
> If not, please explain what changes you have made to these settings.
>
> More questions will likely need to be asked once these questions are
> answered. However, what I would do if possible, is to install the latest
> and greatest Legacy version on a 'pristine' machine. Only Windows and
> Legacy and restore your latest backup to this machine. Do you still get
> this error? By doing this you remove any chance that there is some
> conflicting software on your regular machine.
>
> Have a great day,
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Forefathers Research <
> resea...@forefathers.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I am a professional genealogist. After over 30 years working in IT as a
>> computer programmer, and over 25 years as an amateur family historian, I
>> spent 6 years studying for a higher certificate in genealogy, before tur
>> ning full-time as a pro genealogist 3 years ago.
>>
>> So I feel I am a fairly good position to be able to judge Legacy as a
>> piece of genealogy software, both as a programmer myself and as a
>> genealogist. And I am a big fan of Legacy: I use every day of my working
>> life, and choose to use it in particular because I like its Source Writer
>> system, the ease with which I can keep track of my sources, assign sources
>> to events and produce reports.
>>
>> But there is one aspect of Legacy which absolutely drives me barking mad
>> and wastes a lot of my time every day of my working life, and that is the
>> regularity with which Legacy crashes with the database error "Run-time
>> error 3021. No current record."  See the screen dump attached - this
>> happened to me just a few minutes ago. This was the *eighth* time this
>> has happened to me so far today.
>>
>> Now, I know you will say "Ah. There's a fix for that". Yes, I know I am
>> supposed to run File Maintenance, and I have dutifully run File
>> Maintenance, not once but twice, every time this crash has occurred. It
>> will then go away for half an hour or so, then come back again.
>>
>> This is not an issue with any particular Legacy file either. I run many
>> projects simultaneously and have at least one Legacy file for each project.
>> This bug affects any and all of them. Recently, I created a new empty
>> Legacy file from scratch for a new project, then started inputting data,
>> and experienced a 3021 crash within the first 20 minutes. So it's not just
>> something that affects big files that I've been working on for a long time,
>>
>> I have reported this issue to Legacy repeatedly but do not seem to be
>> able to get them to acknowledge that this is a bug. The view seems to be
>> that telling me to run File Maintenance when it happens is acceptable. As
>> an ex-programmer, I simply can't agree with that. I would be able to
>> understand it and sympathise if they were to tell me it was a bug they
>> couldn't find a fix for, but please don't try to tell me this is
>> acceptable. It is the one thing that would make me consider adopting a
>> different genealogy program, as it wastes so much of my time and causes me
>> so much annoyance every single working day.
>>
>> I have Googled the database error itself and it does seem to be a
>> commonplace Microsoft Access error (see
>> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/office/forum/office_2010-access/access-3021-error-no-current-record-found/5e37caf3-d243-41c5-904a-7d1e7c99c1e8)
>> which any reputable piece of software should be able to trap and handle
>> without crashing, i.e. forcing a restart of the program. So if the
>> condition itself can't be avoided, surely Legacy should be able to detect
>> it and handle it gracefully?
>>
>> Does anyone else experience this or is it just me? If it's just me, then
>> I suspect I'm using features that others don't very much. To be specific,
>> the error occurs:
>>
>> 1. Only when I am adding an event.
>> 2. Only with some event types.
>> 3. Always when I have just input something into the date field. See
>> screen dump attached: I had just entered a year in the date field and
>> pressed tab to go to the next field.
>>
>> Or is there some way to "encourage" Legacy to fix this?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Pete
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Media issue - Error 3163

[Jay Wilpolt]

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Elizabeth Moseley  wrote:

> Genealogy\



Elizabeth

I am sure you will get many different answers on how to best handle media
and media links

I have over 60,000 links.

Here is how I would do it

On your c drive create a folder
Genealogy\

Do you have more than 1 file or gedcom you need to reference, if not I see
no reason for the 1 Jennings Family

then do the subfolders
Cemetery\Saxon Cemetery\
etc.
I have over 20,000 headstones all linked in
genealogy/headstones/cemetery name/filename.

or 9,000 profile pictures in
genealogy/photos/portraits/

over 1000 family groups shots
genealogy/photos/families/

over 3000 marriage and anniv photos
genealogy/photos/couples/

simple is easier

you can repair all Legacy media paths with a program called LTools
Its the best 12 $ I ever spent!

Jay


Also these paths are for Media

Keep your program  data in the expected path
Users/../Legacy Family Tree/Data/




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Re: [LegacyUG] Linux/Wine

[Jay Wilpolt]

You need to use windows to get all the features of Legacy without
constantly stumbling into problems that are caused by trying to workaround
Windows.

Trust me, you will waste (way too much)  time over the years trying to run
it on another OS.


Jay



On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Frank Laperriere 
wrote:

> Brian in CA
>
> Legacy support and I are well aware that Legacy is no a Windows program.
> They are not familiar with Linux, but still spent time attempting to
> resolve my issues. Unfortunately, they didn't have a solution, but did
> provide me with some useful information about the product. They have a
> very good support staff. They are also the ones who directed me to this
> user group. Hopefully, someone else in the group has had some luck with
> Linux/Wine.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Descendants Narrative report - Addresses

[Jay Wilpolt]

Thanks Sherry Good Idea!!

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Sherry/Support  wrote:

> However, you could print the Address Labels in a Report format (the
> option is on the Custom Size tab of the Address Labels) and append
> that to the end of the report.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Brian/Support
>  wrote:
> > No,
> >
> > Addresses are included with the people/events to which they belong in
> > the report.
> >
> > If you are one of those who enter address information (street number and
> > name) in your locations then the Location Index will include those at
> > the end of the report.
> >
> > Brian
> > Customer Support
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> >
>
> >
> > On 27/04/2015 3:12 PM, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
> >> Listers,
> >>
> >> In a Descendants Narrative Report
> >> Is there a way to include people addresses but as a listing at the end
> of
> >> the report?
> >>
> >> Thanks for any help/ advice.
> >>
> >> Jay
>
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[LegacyUG] Descendants Narrative report - Addresses

[Jay Wilpolt]

Listers,

In a Descendants Narrative Report
Is there a way to include people addresses but as a listing at the end of
the report?

Thanks for any help/ advice.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

[Jay Wilpolt]

Evert,  (re: Legacy Gedcoms imported to TNG)

I have a mod that is not yet publicly available that makes it easier for me
to import a gedcom with many media links, by 'forcing' the media into
collections based on folder names and structure.
Anything in the "Document" folder is a Document
anything in the "Census" folder is a Census
anything in the "Photo" folder is a Photo.

The collection Name must exactly match the folder name.
This way I do not have to "convert" the many media items into their proper
collections after a gedcom import.

It also has some other functions which need to be stripped out before it
would be useful to all.

Let me know if that would help you and we can email direct.

Hope that helps

Jay








On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Evert van Dijken 
wrote:

> John,
> Could you give an example of a TNG mod that makes it easier to import
> legacy gedcoms? I couldn't find any on the wiki page:
> http://tng.lythgoes.net/wiki/index.php/Category:Mods_for_TNG_v10
> Also looked for gedcom in previous builds. Could you give a direct link?
> Evert
>
> 2015-04-15 8:04 GMT+02:00 John Lisle :
>
>> Stuart,
>>
>> You point out an import issue with TNG and
>> webtrees. The product source for both is
>> available for users to inspect and edit.
>>
>> As a programmer, early on I made a number of mods
>> to TNG and soon discovered that I needed to spend
>> too much time each new update to TNG to
>> re-develop those mods for the new release.
>>
>> A couple of years ago, TNG introduced something
>> they call the mod manager. This is a way to
>> create a mod and then have TNG install it. There
>> is now a large catalog of these mods available,
>> most of which need to be tweaked each time an
>> update is prepared. Some of these mods were
>> developed specifically to make it easier to
>> improve how Legacy Gedcoms are imported.
>>
>> Does webtrees have a similar facility?
>>
>> However, once you lock yourself into some of
>> these mods, you may find that you will need help
>> if the developer is no longer maintaining them.
>>
>> john.
>>
>> At 09:00 PM 4/14/2015, Stuart Gregory wrote:
>> >Hi Barton, John and other interested people
>> >
>> >Happy to provide the link but I would like to make a couple of comments.
>> >
>> >I am currently not using the latest version of
>> >webtrees. One of the reasons for this is that I
>> >have made some minor modifications to the
>> >underlying PHP code and for me to upgrade
>> >requires a little work on my part. I host the
>> >site on my own web server which is located under
>> >my desk in my home and apart from some minor
>> >problems (bugs) there is no pressure for me to upgrade. The link to my
>> site is:
>> >
>> >http://stuart.scss.dyndns.info/FamilyTree/
>> >
>> >If you are seriously considering making your
>> >Legacy data available on-line, you should look
>> >at webtrees more closely. A number of the
>> >developers of webtrees offer hosting services
>> >(for a fee), but they all provide good support.
>> >The software is open source and therefore free.
>> >I would recommend that you have a look at the webtrees site here:
>> >
>> >http://www.webtrees.net/index.php/en/
>> >
>> >If you visit this site you will find links to
>> >various other sites using webtrees. There are
>> >different modules available, some of which
>> >radically change the look of the site, but the
>> >underlying software and data remains the same.
>> >That is, some of the developers have created
>> >their own CSS files to present the same information but in a different
>> format.
>> >
>> >Some final comments.  As has already been
>> >explained in an earlier post. Legacy creates
>> >static web pages and for me, this means
>> >thousands of files would need to be uploaded to
>> >the web server each time I need to update the
>> >web site. Webtrees allows me to enter data
>> >directly on my web site and that data is
>> >immediately available for everyone to see.
>> >
>> >Comments regarding the chance of losing data
>> >when using TNG or webtrees is a valid comment.
>> >But both of these products provide safeguards.
>> >One safeguard is for you to implement a setting
>> >so that you, as administrator of the site, are
>> >the only person who can approve changes or
>> >additions to the data. There is no loss of value
>> >of having a search engine document your site. In
>> >fact tools are provided to enhance the search engine function.
>> >
>> >Hope this is of value to you.
>> >
>> >Stuart
>> >
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: BARTON LEWIS [mailto:bartonle...@optonline.net]
>> >Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2015 12:23 AM
>> >To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> >Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages
>> >
>> >Stuart, is it possible to see a tree generated by wbtrees - yours,
>> perhaps?
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >
>> >Barton
>> >
>> >
>> >  On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 06:16 AM, Stuart Gregory wrote:
>> >
>> >  > For Barton, John and others interested,
>> > >
>> > > The open source PHPGedview has not 

Re: [LegacyUG] Source Citations - Part Deux

[Jay Wilpolt]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot <
br...@the-lightfoots.com> wrote:

> *When I view the Gedcom as a pure text file, all of the “Media, Title, and
> Publication” words are found directly in the Gedcom for the Source
> citation. For example, here is where the “Publication” word is coming from.
> This is part of a Legacy created Gedcom:*
>
>
>
> *2 SOUR @S946@*
>
> *3 PAGE Fort Wayne, Allen County, Indiana, p. 684A, William Cutshall; NARA
> microfilm pu*
>
> *4 CONC blication T9, 0265.*
>
>
>
> *Notice the “pu” at the end of the 3rd line after the ending word
> microfilm. Then look at the next line and notice “blication”. Put the two
> together and you have “publication”. Thus, Ancestry is assuming the source
> citation to be a Publication which requires a Page number. I’m no expert at
> how source info should appear in a Gedcom but apparently Ancestry is having
> difficulty in understanding what a Legacy Gedcom is sending them.*
>

Brian,

There is an error in your explanation here.

First off the CONC  anywhere in a gedcom simply means a continuation of the
preceding line.

in your example, you refer to the "pu" ending on one line and "blication"
starting the next line.

But look at the beginning of that line"03 PAGE"
which means that the Gedcom Legacy is producing is setting that fact data
as a PAGE in the 02 SOUR  (Source)

Each data 'group" starts with a
"0 @"
then the first line tells the detail "01 TITL" in this example  ... details
about the TITL will conyinue on any following lines until the gedcom starts
with another piece of data like "01 DATE"
OR
a new Group of facts which would start with a "0 @"

Now maybe you do not intend to infer that there is a problem with Legacy,
because this is proper Gedcom construction.
and as you do mention, Ancestry is "incorrectly" assuming the source to be
a 'publication'

You probably should ask someone at Ancestry if that is a bug in their
import process code.

Just FYI

Jay




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Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages

[Jay Wilpolt]

The problem with webtrees and its predecessor phpgedview, is that neither
of these programs break down a gedcom into data sets,
but rather leave it intact as whole and each action reads from the one file
and generates an answer,
thus it will get slower and slower as anything is added to it.

No one is ever going to come close to the response time seen in Legacy as a
desktop software. Especially when dealing with larger files.

TNG is the best option, but unfortunately its a one man operation, limited
to expansion and lacking in graphic appeal.
But its also the best at storing and manipulating any genealogy data.

Find what works best for you.




On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 3:16 AM, Stuart Gregory  wrote:

> For Barton, John and others interested,
>
> The open source PHPGedview has not been actively supported for a number of
> years since the main developer and a lot of others moved to create
> webtrees. I would definitely not recommend using PHPGedview. Webtrees is
> open source and therefore free, unlike TNG (The Next Generation). I have
> been a user of Legacy and webtrees for many years and PHPGedview for
> several years prior to moving to webtrees.
>
> For many years my webtrees site has been my prime database and I
> occasionally export a Gedcom from my site and create a new Legacy .fdb file
> so as to create reports that aren't available using webtrees. Although I
> back up my MySQL database every night, creating a new Legacy .fdb is
> another form of backup.
>
> Stuart
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Lisle [mailto:leg...@johnlisle.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2015 1:39 PM
> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Testing Legacy Web Pages
>
> Barton,
>
> Two basic types of family tree sites exist: static pages and dynamic pages.
>
> Static pages means you create all of the pages you wish to upload to
> whatever hosting service you wish to use. After you create the pages on
> your PC; you then have to upload all of the pages by FTP (or some similar
> tool) to your hosting service. You may wish to create some pages as home
> pages to tell your story. The disadvantage of this technique is that it
> does not scale well.
> As the size of your family file gets bigger, you have more and more pages.
> Further, many of them will be small and, as a result, consume large amounts
> of hosting space.
>
> In the late 1990s, a program was created called IGM by Randy Winch. The
> idea behind IGM was that you uploaded your Gedcom file to your hosting
> service along with the IGM software and had IGM process your Gedcom and
> allow you to have IGM create your web pages dynamically as visitors
> requested them. Randy enhanced IGM for RootsWeb and that is what RootsWeb's
> WorldConnect service is using.
>
> In the early 2000s, two software products were created to take the IGM
> experience to a higher level. They have the limitation that the hosting
> service has to support php scripting MySQL databases that not all "free" or
> cable company hosting provides. They also expect the user to have, or have
> access to, some basic webmastering skills. Both require a quality hosting
> service and for you to acquire a domain name for your site.
>
> One is the OpenSource product phpGedView. This has the advantage that it
> is free. It is also slow.
>
> The other is the commercial product TNG. License cost is minor, and based
> on personal experience, the visitor experience is far superior and the
> customization tools provided by the vendor are effective and fairly easy to
> use. Further, it is the closest in data model to Legacy. Not identical, but
> most of your Legacy data can be imported into TNG and used as you would
> expect, including media and mapping.
>
> In many respects, all of the cloud based genealogy programs, including
> Ancestry Trees, are derivative of these ideas.
>
> To understand any of these dynamic solutions, think of them like you think
> of importing a Gedcom into Legacy. You import the Gedcom and
> Legacy/TNG/WorldConnect/etc. load your data from the Gedcom, as best as
> they can, into the programs database so that you can explore, and in some
> cases like TNG, edit your data using the program as a genealogy program.
>
> --> I have at times edited my TNG family file
> directly when a visitor pointed out a problem that needed immediate
> correction; however, normally, for me, corrections come when I update a new
> Gedcom as Legacy files are always my master file.
>
> Last year, I was part of a team of members of the Guild of One Name
> Studies who looked at these solutions. The Guild has decided to pilot a
> program where members can get hosting space with the Guild for a web site
> that after paying for it while living will be retained after the member
> "retires" as a means of providing that members'
> research is not lost and continues to be available. The selected tool for
> dynamic web sites is TNG.
>
> BTW, one of the issues with any web site is how it plays with the

Re: [LegacyUG] Any Way to Mark a PERSON as Never Married?

[Jay Wilpolt]

Sorry Tessa,

IF Legacy paid attention to the market and the needs of its customers they
would have made many of the suggested changes already

Face the facts ..they dont want to and I doubt they ever will



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> I like Legacy and hope that they continue to pay attention to the
> market and the needs of their customers because, when all is said and
> done, it is a business that provides a product to the public.
>
> Whether it is the administrators or the programmers - ease of use,
> keeping up with the competition, offering useful and necessary
> features, and updates that take care of previous bugs and don't add
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> watch each other and then make decisions based on where they want
> their product to go in the future. Sadly we have seen promising
> programs fall by the wayside and others never take off if they can't
> satisfy their customer base.
>
> I am under the impression (don't know why) that it is a small group
> but they are involved in all aspects. It would be interesting to know
> more and I would guess those who have been on the cruises might have a
> better idea of the players and their attitudes/capabilities.
>
> Tessa
>
> Tessa Keough
> Guild of One-Name Studies, Keough (Keogh, Kough & Kehoe) Registered ONS
> Legacy Virtual Users' Group Community on Google+
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>
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot
>  wrote:
> > I was wondering when somebody was going to mention this.  And given the
> fact that the "programmers" are part of the executive management team, I'd
> say the chance of a major change to this aspect of relationships is on par
> with the drought in California ending tomorrow.  (I always thought that
> Millennia used job-shop or contract programmers. Wonder when that changed?)
> >
> > Brian in CA
> >
> >
> SNIP
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Any Way to Mark a PERSON as Never Married?

[Jay Wilpolt]

How else is Legacy supposed to know HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS  !!!   IF we dont
keep beating this dead horse

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:43 PM, STEPHEN  wrote:

> I agree. This has long since reached the dead horse stage.
>
> --
> *From: *"William Hoff" 
> *To: *legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 8, 2015 2:13:03 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [LegacyUG] Any Way to Mark a PERSON as Never Married?
>
> Let's drop this
>
>
>
> On Apr 8, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Susan Stuhlsatz-Reese 
> wrote:
>
>   I confess that I don't share much optimism for these kind of changes
> either to be made in the software either. Yet, the LDS member who guided my
> group of boy scouts in their genealogy merit badge stated that he liked
> finding a messy family in his line and the messier the better. That gives
> me hope. My LDS neighbor loved scrapbooking tidbits of the lives of her
> family, not just how they passed DNA. That also gives me hope. Surely holy
> people can remain holy despite these things in the world that are outside
> their control. What an interesting time we are living in. Why not document
> it?
> Regards,
> Sue
>
>
>
>   On Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:53 PM, John Lisle 
> wrote:
>
>
> Mike,
>
> It will change. I did not suggest when.
>
> The owners are LDS, but the great majority of their users are not
> LDS, and even Utah now allows (begrudgingly) same sex marriages.
> Their LDS membership does not seem to be the controlling factor.
> Messages I have seen from them seem very sincere that this is
> something they want to fix.
>
> Not only do they have to change their data model, but they also have
> to make significant in a lot of their tools, reports, etc.
>
> john.
>
> At 02:35 PM 4/8/2015, MikeFry wrote:
> >On 2015/04/08 19:18 PM, John Lisle wrote:
> >
> > > One of the major knocks on Legacy by reviewers is that it does not
> > > support same sex relationships. I happen to know that the data model
> > > for Legacy was created long before the first gay marriage was legal
> > > in the US and, unfortunately, changing this is not going to be easy,
> > > but it is going to happen as so much of Legacy's customer base now
> > > needs it. It is needed because Legacy is a Family History program and
> > > now such relationships are becoming increasingly common within most
> > > folks family history.
> >
> >I don't share your optimism that Legacy will be changed. The founders of
> the
> >company are, I believe, LDS members and that fact would mitigate
> >against such a
> >change.
> >
> >--
> >Regards,
> >Mike Fry (Jhb)
> >
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Any Way to Mark a PERSON as Never Married?

[Jay Wilpolt]

LOL



On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Pat Hickin  wrote:

> Personally, I don't see why religious beliefs have anything to do with
> it.  It's a matter of simple logic that you may not know (& that in the
> case of a man, the individual *himself* may not know whether he's
> produced children.
>
> Pat
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Tessa Keough  wrote:
>
>> I like Legacy and hope that they continue to pay attention to the
>> market and the needs of their customers because, when all is said and
>> done, it is a business that provides a product to the public.
>>
>> Whether it is the administrators or the programmers - ease of use,
>> keeping up with the competition, offering useful and necessary
>> features, and updates that take care of previous bugs and don't add
>> new ones - is what it is all about. I am sure these companies all
>> watch each other and then make decisions based on where they want
>> their product to go in the future. Sadly we have seen promising
>> programs fall by the wayside and others never take off if they can't
>> satisfy their customer base.
>>
>> I am under the impression (don't know why) that it is a small group
>> but they are involved in all aspects. It would be interesting to know
>> more and I would guess those who have been on the cruises might have a
>> better idea of the players and their attitudes/capabilities.
>>
>> Tessa
>>
>> Tessa Keough
>> Guild of One-Name Studies, Keough (Keogh, Kough & Kehoe) Registered ONS
>> Legacy Virtual Users' Group Community on Google+
>> Society for One-Place Studies, Plate Cove East, Newfoundland
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot
>>  wrote:
>> > I was wondering when somebody was going to mention this.  And given the
>> fact that the "programmers" are part of the executive management team, I'd
>> say the chance of a major change to this aspect of relationships is on par
>> with the drought in California ending tomorrow.  (I always thought that
>> Millennia used job-shop or contract programmers. Wonder when that changed?)
>> >
>> > Brian in CA
>> >
>> >
>> SNIP
>>
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Any Way to Mark a PERSON as Never Married?

[Jay Wilpolt]

Larry,

They are if there is no spouse or children attached to the person,
If either is present then you use one of the separate tags in the marriage.




On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Larry Lee  wrote:

> Michele,
>
> This really needs to be split into two boxes,
> 1 This individual never married
> 2 This individual had no children
>
> They are not mutually exclusive.
>
> Larry
> On Apr 5, 2015 9:51 AM, "Michele/Support" 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, on the Individual’s Information screen (not the marriage screen)
>> there is a check box near the bottom that says, “This individual never
>> married and had no children.”
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michele
>>
>> Technical Support
>>
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>>
>> www.legacyfamilytree.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* GeoPappas [mailto:papp...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 5, 2015 12:36 PM
>> *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Any Way to Mark a PERSON as Never Married?
>>
>>
>>
>> I understand that there is a way to mark a couple as having never
>> married, but is there a way to mark a person as having never married?  This
>> way I will know not to look for a spouse or a marriage record for that
>> person.
>>
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Comments in GEDCOM [WAS: Details text showing up in Footnote citation]

[Jay Wilpolt]

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM, John Lisle  wrote:

The issue with Child Status is that Legacy has chosen to export the data as
> an attribute of Family instead of Person as is done by all other vendors
> who export this type of data.




Probably because "Child status" is not a Gedcom 5.5 standard according to

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm


AND since the data is an attribute of the Child - Family relationship, that
same child could have a different "Child Status"  where he/she is connected
to another family, so if you had it only tied to the individual
...that wouldnt be possible.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Comments in GEDCOM [WAS: Details text showing up in Footnote citation]

[Jay Wilpolt]

Ward,

I agree with you completely.

I would add one thing however, that the Legacy Shared events could possibly
be handled better, so as to not cause the potential problems as it could in
its current form.

Personally, I would prefer to have a switch to not use shared events and
for the database to handle events the ver 7.5 way.

But especially for exports. Because unless I know the destination person
will be using a program that can properly import that data.

In essence I am denied the ability to share the data, unless someone has a
software program that parses the import properly.

But otherwise, there is no desktop software that even comes close to the
power of Legacy.

Thanks

Jay



On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Ward Walker  wrote:

>   (Aside: It was not my intention to trigger a rant about bugs and
> versions. For the record, I think Legacy is a quality product and that the
> number of open defects for this type of software is not unreasonable. The
> product is functional and flexible. It is stable – rarely crashing and with
> extremely rare reports of possible data corruption. The latest version is
> the place to be, unless you happen to have a very specific issue with it.
> Bugs are being fixed. We all have our pet peeves that are not being fixed
> soon enough.)
>
> John and David, I think it would be reasonable to make minor enhancements
> to the Legacy GEDCOM export, in order to support BOTH of the following use
> cases:
>
>   (1) The traditional use case of sending everything you have to a fellow
> researcher, who will import it in whole or in part and integrate it into
> their system (perhaps rechecking all the facts first). By ‘everything’, I
> do not mean to include sensitive personal information that should always be
> within privacy brackets. I do mean to include text and comment fields in
> sources (master or detail), which merely expand on the content of the
> source. (E.g., the details of a census page – you wouldn’t want that
> expanded in a footnote citation, but it is helpful to a researcher.)
>
>   (2) The more recent use case of sending data to an automated system for
> online presentation (Ancestry, TNG, etc.). In this case, you want the
> content to be more like what you would see in a Legacy-generated report.
> You are somewhat at the mercy of the functionality of that target system,
> though, and therefore you might need to restrict just how much data you put
> into that GEDCOM. For example, if the target system only reveals source
> Text/Comment fields when the user drills down on that citation, you might
> find it acceptable to export these fields.
>
> Regarding source Text and Comments fields, (assuming that we choose not to
> override source options) one might already expect that they not be exported
> if the box that says to include them in citations was not checked. But they
> are, currently, so a reasonable enhancement request would be to add another
> option to the export screen, below where we decline to override source
> options. The new option would more specifically enable/disable the export
> of all source Text and Comment fields.
>
> From the Legacy end, the only other export problem is the source detail
> fields from SourceWriter sources. To me, this is more of a bug than a
> design feature. I have long been campaigning for an improvement in the way
> that Legacy creates GEDCOM basic-style sources from SW sources. It doesn’t
> have to result in scrambled or missing fields. The export process can
> pre-format the citation as if it were on a printed Legacy report before
> committing it to the GEDCOM. (True, some master fields would then end up in
> the detail section of the GEDCOM and be repeated for each detail citation.)
> This is a bigger request, but it is overdue.
>
>Ward
>
>
>  *From:* John Lisle 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:00 PM
> *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Source Comments in GEDCOM [WAS: Details text
> showing up in Footnote citation]
>
> David,
>
> Your point is well taken, but...
>
> 1/ Gedcom was last updated in the late 1990s. In my opinion, it will never
> be updated significantly again because (a) too many applications depend on
> the current implementation and from a development viewpoint are static. For
> instance, RootsWeb's WorldConnect has not had any development work done in
> almost 15 years, yet it is used every day and has an enormous inventory of
> data that no one would like to see disappear. And (b) too many Gedcoms
> exist in physical inventory. No one would accept making those unusable.
>
> 2/ Gedcom has several mechanisms for extending its functionality. Legacy
> has many more functions than Gedcom designers ever imagined when it was
> released, yet with one big exception, almost all Legacy functionality can
> be exported and then re-imported into Legacy. (I think the one big
> exception is SourceWriter sources. They are re-imported as Basic sources.)
>
> The problem between prod

Re: [LegacyUG] Source Comments in GEDCOM [WAS: Details text showing up in Footnote citation]

[Jay Wilpolt]

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:00 AM, John Lisle  wrote:

> What is a problem with Legacy is when Legacy does not export any of its
> data OR it exports the data in a fashion that cannot be accepted by the
> receiving software.





John ,

In regards to

*What is a problem with Legacy is when Legacy does not export any of its
data OR it exports the data in a fashion that cannot be accepted by the
receiving software*.


I agree with

*What is a problem with Legacy is when Legacy does not export any of its
data*

BUT not with
*it exports the data in a fashion that cannot be accepted by the receiving
software.*

You cannot blame Legacy or any manufacturer for what happens to their data
by SOMEONE ELSE's process they have no control or "mind reading"
capability to know how someone else code will manage the data.


And therein lies the problem currently with so many variations of genealogy
software all which may or may not import/ export properly process any data
outside of standardize gedcom data.

Jay




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Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Persons

[Jay Wilpolt]

John,

For Gedcom validation I recommed

 Genealogica Grafica  http://www.genealogicagrafica.nl/

or try Tim's Bonkersits GREAT!
http://www.mccomberfamily.com/2013/02/bonkers-gedcom-sanity-checker.html




These both go much further than Legacy does in validation.



On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 9:08 PM, John B. Lisle  wrote:

>  Jay,
>
> Please see below...
>
> john.
>
> At 06:59 PM 3/27/2015, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
>
> John
>
> I think we are on the same pageÂ
>
> some thoughts to add.
>
>
>
> *As both of us maintain somewhat public research sites online, I decided
> some time ago that I did not wish to publish dates that I could not support
> by some type of fact. Yet, as a One Namer, I would find that my family
> files would have actually 100s of people with more or less the same name. 
> *Again
> another reason why I had to start adding some date "qualifiers" as my own
> distant (5th great) paternal families had names like;
> Johan Bernard William Whilpholt
> Bernard Wilhelm Henricis  Whilpholt
> Johann Wilhelm Henricus Whilpholt
> Henricus Willhelm Bernard Whilpholt
> Wilhelm Johann Hericus Whilpholt
>
> and often not the exact same name would then be used for their marriage or
> death
> Or like where 8 families with the same surname all lived close by and they
> all had a Maria Anna born between 1850-1870
>
>
> I agree, but I just do not wish to publish data that I know to be guesses.
> The private dates helps me keep organized without publishing more crap.
>
>
>
>
>
> *I discovered that Legacy has a neat feature that allows you to make a
> date private. For instance when I enter a marriage record for John Stedman
> and Mary Smith that took place in May 1816 and have not (yet) discovered
> them in a census or in other vital records documentation, I will estimate
> when they were born. For John, say 1790. I enter in Legacy [[est 1790]] {I
> tie "est" to the circa date in Legacy}. The privacy brackets around the
> date mean that index view and name list will sort the person correctly, but
> when I export the Gedcom, no date will appear for the birth date. *Personal
> choice not to keep the dates private, since i dont know what genealogy
> software someone else uses, thaht may not properly handle all the "Blank"
> info, whereas I am pretty sure it will handle fields with data.
>
>
> I have never seen a problem, remember, I am always explicitly putting in
> at least an "Unknown" death date. Every software product I have looked at
> handles that.
>
>
>
>
> *I have seen too many cases of people (myself included before I set this
> standard) having a date like you have of bef. 1882 copied down as 1882 and
> then get perpetuated. Now, I try not to be responsible for introducing too
> much bogus information into the literature. *I can not control how well
> other "copy down" info, If it says bef 1882 they better copy BEFORE 1882.
>
>
> Again, I prefer to take the risk out of the equation.
>
> The historical way to deal with such items is to say Joe Smith, son of
> Alfred Smith and Ellen Jones. Or some other phrase that talks to their
> genealogy.
>
> When I am working a family reconstruction, I am always looking for the
> names of parents of the spouses of my target family. And, I will research
> the spouse family more if I start finding surnames that are popping up
> elsewhere in the family. This is my "hidden cousins" dynamic.
>
>
>
>
> *When you enter a private date that would otherwise trigger the person as
> being deceased, the person is set to deceased.  *That is a good feature
>
>
>
>
>
> * This triggers another rant... :-) I hate to see trees where persons born
> 400 years ago are listed as living and thus made private. This is often
> caused by some genealogy program or another not having a data model that
> properly handles when an undated person is deceased. Consequently, I set a
> personal standard that anyone whom I believe to be deceased, I will enter
> the death date of "Unknown". Then I do not have to depend on the whim of
> any genealogy program to set the person as deceased. *AGREED AGREED
> AGREEDÂ Â  not to mention some basic validation tests. when I see a
> parent born in 1880 and their child is born in 1792 I know they are not
> serious about their data
>
>
> Of course. Or when you look at a FamilySearch or Ancestry tree and you see
> a person father or grandfather in their child list.
>
> The L8 PP Alerts system is wonderful for preventing this -- I get a laff
> out of hearing people talk about turning it off because they are getting
> too many alerts.
>
> I do not add Gedcoms t

Re: [LegacyUG] Any Way to Search Complex Surnames?

[Jay Wilpolt]

Go to SEARCH> FIND> Individual Surname "contains" Santiago

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 4:28 PM, GeoPappas  wrote:

> Puerto Ricans (and other Hispanics) use a system of two surnames (one for
> their father and one for their mother).  So if a person was born of a
> father named Juan RODRIGUEZ and a mother named Maria SANTIAGO, then the
> surname of the child would be RODRIGUEZ Y SANTIAGO.  The "Y" in between the
> surnames means "and" in English.  Sometimes the "Y" is dropped, so you
> would just have RODRIGUEZ SANTIAGO.
>
> In the Name List dialog, is there any way to easily search for SANTIAGO in
> the surname (even though it is the second part of the surname)?
>
> In other words, is there any way to search WITHIN a surname?
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Persons

[Jay Wilpolt]

 perpetuated. Now, I try not to be responsible for introducing too
> much bogus information into the literature.
>
> When you enter a private date that would otherwise trigger the person as
> being deceased, the person is set to deceased.
>
> This triggers another rant... :-)
>
> I hate to see trees where persons born 400 years ago are listed as living
> and thus made private. This is often caused by some genealogy program or
> another not having a data model that properly handles when an undated
> person is deceased. Consequently, I set a personal standard that anyone
> whom I believe to be deceased, I will enter the death date of "Unknown".
> Then I do not have to depend on the whim of any genealogy program to set
> the person as deceased.
>
> I have also found that when recording census data, it is helpful, even
> when I do not have a death date, to record a death date as "after 1860" if
> the 1860 census was last that I found him or her recorded. I will also make
> that a between date if, say, I find the person is the 1860 census but I
> learn in the 1880 or 1900 census or some other record that the person is
> deceased: "bet. 1860 and 1880".
>
> I do know this standard sets up the possibility of someone recording the
> after date as just a date. I am likely to make that a private date as a
> result. My concern then is that the deceased person does not show a death
> date ...
>
> Since I do not permit Gedcoms to be downloaded from my TNG site, I am not
> as not as worried about this. But it is a concern.
>
> john.
>
> At 03:29 PM 3/27/2015, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
>
> Don,
>
> I cant answer the question as to why Legacy does the things it does as far
> as name conventions.
>
> But I have a large database of almost 250,000.
> The problems come most often because of exchanging gedcoms where importing
> and exporting data doesnt always end up in the right place causing errors.
>
> Wherever I can I place a name and a date to help define the person
>
> I use UnknownMÂ  and UnknownF for given names and Unknown as a surname
>
> You can tell Legacy to exclude specific names on the potential problems
> list.
>
> I also add in usually some kind of date definer.
>
> Say as you mentioned as married females parents and siblings.
> Let say the lady was born in 1900 and married in 1918.
>
> I would add her parents as UnknownM Unknown born Bef 1882 and married Bef
> 1900 to UnknownF Unknown also born Bef 1882
> and under the parents add the siblings like Margaret Unknown born 1915 and
> John Unknown born 1918
>
> If you were to leave the default Legacy of just no names but a defacto
> (unknown and unknown) couple that connected to the Margaret and John
> siblings... because there are no dates for the parents they would export in
> any gedcom as LIVING persons.
>
> With dates added Legacy has a better chance on not selecting them when
> searching for duplicates (If I didnt have all these (placeholders) my
> duplicate search would have over 1,000,000 potentials to reviewlol)
>
>
> so my general rules of thumb for date estimations are;
>
> abt. (about) is used whenever the date is NOT exact OR complete; Dec 2008
> is listed as "abt. Dec 2008"
> aft. (after) is used for birth dates and estimates the birth took place
> after the marriage of the parents.
> aft. (after) used in birth dates estimates the birth took place after the
> parent was 18 years of age.
> aft. (after) used in marriage dates estimates the couple were married
> after the eldest spouse was at least 18 years of age.
> bef. (before) used in marriages dates estimates a couple were married
> before the date of birth of any children.
> bef. (before) used in death dates estimates a person died before the age
> of 100.
> bet. (between) used in birth dates estimates a person was born between a
> range of dates when they are not listed on a census and are listed on the
> next census.
> bet. (between) used in marriage dates estimates a range of dates from aft
> 18 years of age of the eldest spouse to some other date information from
> another source.
> cir. (circa) used in birth dates estimates a spouses birth date is close
> to the same year as their spouse and is used only when no other estimated
> dates can be determined.
>
> Yes, there will be people you find that actual date falls outside of these
> generalizations, (like the 3/10ths of 1 % of persons that live to be over
> 100 in my datafile) that is an acceptable range for error.
>
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Jay
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Don Quigley  wrote:
>
> Some of the recent messages have prompted this more

Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Persons

[Jay Wilpolt]

Don,

I cant answer the question as to why Legacy does the things it does as far
as name conventions.

But I have a large database of almost 250,000.
The problems come most often because of exchanging gedcoms where importing
and exporting data doesnt always end up in the right place causing errors.

Wherever I can I place a name and a date to help define the person

I use UnknownM  and UnknownF for given names and Unknown as a surname

You can tell Legacy to exclude specific names on the potential problems
list.

I also add in usually some kind of date definer.

Say as you mentioned as married females parents and siblings.
Let say the lady was born in 1900 and married in 1918.

I would add her parents as UnknownM Unknown born Bef 1882 and married Bef
1900 to UnknownF Unknown also born Bef 1882
and under the parents add the siblings like Margaret Unknown born 1915 and
John Unknown born 1918

If you were to leave the default Legacy of just no names but a defacto
(unknown and unknown) couple that connected to the Margaret and John
siblings... because there are no dates for the parents they would export in
any gedcom as LIVING persons.

With dates added Legacy has a better chance on not selecting them when
searching for duplicates (If I didnt have all these (placeholders) my
duplicate search would have over 1,000,000 potentials to reviewlol)


so my general rules of thumb for date estimations are;

abt. (about) is used whenever the date is NOT exact OR complete; Dec 2008
is listed as "abt. Dec 2008"
aft. (after) is used for birth dates and estimates the birth took place
after the marriage of the parents.
aft. (after) used in birth dates estimates the birth took place after the
parent was 18 years of age.
aft. (after) used in marriage dates estimates the couple were married after
the eldest spouse was at least 18 years of age.
bef. (before) used in marriages dates estimates a couple were married
before the date of birth of any children.
bef. (before) used in death dates estimates a person died before the age of
100.
bet. (between) used in birth dates estimates a person was born between a
range of dates when they are not listed on a census and are listed on the
next census.
bet. (between) used in marriage dates estimates a range of dates from aft
18 years of age of the eldest spouse to some other date information from
another source.
cir. (circa) used in birth dates estimates a spouses birth date is close to
the same year as their spouse and is used only when no other estimated
dates can be determined.

Yes, there will be people you find that actual date falls outside of these
generalizations, (like the 3/10ths of 1 % of persons that live to be over
100 in my datafile) that is an acceptable range for error.


Hope this helps

Jay







On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Don Quigley  wrote:

> Some of the recent messages have prompted this more general question I
> have about how to enter “names” for unknown persons in Legacy, particularly
> for persons with no known given or surname.  This situation typically
> arises for a female with no known surname, for whom I have information
> about her parents that I want to record and have in the database when (if)
> I find the missing names.  I also need parents for siblings to be linked,
> even if their surnames are unknown.
>
>
>
> I have always used ??? as the unknown given and/or surname for a person.
> Legacy warns me against doing so, but allows me to do it.  However, if I
> leave both fields blank, Legacy will prevent me from saving the person.
>
>
>
> For me, ??? seems to work well, but I’ve often wondered why does Legacy
> (and other geneaology sources) warn against the use of a questionmark in a
> name?  Are they just referring to the practice of trying to show
> uncertainty about a name – i.e., John Smith?.  I don’t do that.
>
>
>
> Donald Quigley
>
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>
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>
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>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Adding a wife to Legacy

[Jay Wilpolt]

To each his own I use Unknown Unknown,

because I was way too frustrated with receiving gedcoms from people where
wifes given name was in the surname field.

I still get them but at least I know data I send out will never get MANGLED
up.

Jay




On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Boyd Miller  wrote:

>  I agree, I would not use Unknown for a field where I want to show that
> there should be a person. In the absence of a name Legacy introduces
> Unknown all by itself into too many situations - Unknown-Unknown marriages
> for example.
>
> If a name is not know I put "not known" (in lower case and without the
> quote marks) in the given name field, and leave the surname field blank if
> I don't know it. You can always find the "not known" people in the Name
> List alongside their spouse or children.
> After all no-one is Unknown, it's just that at this time the name is not
> known to me. Somewhere it is known, I just haven't found it yet.
>
> Boyd
>
> On 27/03/2015 11:09 a.m., Michele/Support wrote:
>
> John,
> I never put the word "unknown" in the given or in the surname fields (I agree 
> with you.  I don't think the word unknown belongs in these fields).  I just 
> leave the person completely blank.  Even with no spouse entered at all I can 
> still attach children to the relationship.
>
> I do a one-name study as well (Glaentzer).  I know how important it is to be 
> able to differentiate between people and that is why if I have some sort of 
> identifying information that will give someone uniqueness I go for it :)
>
> I too like to see how other people do things.  I have been known to change my 
> mind from time to time :)
>
> Michele
> Technical supportmich...@legacyfamilytree.comwww.legacyfamilytree.com
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Issue with Gedcom Export of Child Status

[Jay Wilpolt]

John,

OK you are doing the same as myself,
but that isnt anywear close to what inference is suggested by the phrase
"multiple people to work on a single
copy"

I have about 400 users and change an average of 2200 persons a week.

Thanks

Jay


On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:42 PM, John B. Lisle  wrote:

>  Jay,
>
> As you well know, there are two ways to operate with TNG. As a cloud based
> application or as a web publisher with editing done on desktop. There are
> no tools in TNG to export changes since some date in a Gedcom that can be
> downloaded and imported into Legacy to sync your desktop applications.
>
> For me, I only want suggestions from visitors which I then process and
> enter in my desktop. I get about 5 a day. Other folks are comfortable with
> leaving their master on TNG; I am not.
>
> The only "good" synching solution is between FTM and ancestry trees.
>
> john.
>
> At 05:29 PM 3/26/2015, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I also use TNG, but I have yet to figure out how to let "multiple people
> to work on a single
> copy"Â  if the Admin is regularly uploading a complete new gedcom.
>
> Do you have a solution for getting TNG additions by other Users back to
> the Admins Legacy database?
>
>
> That would be something MANY people would want.
>
> Look forward to your response.
>
> Jay
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:22 AM, John B. Lisle 
> wrote:
>  Mike,
>
> TNG ( http://lythgoes.net/genealogy/software.php) is a popular web
> based genealogy program and web publishing application.
>
> As a genealogy program, it allows multiple people to work on a single
> copy of a genealogy as the database is on a web site. But more
> importantly, it is, in my humble opinion, the best tool for
> publishing your Legacy genealogy on a web site.
>
> Unlike Legacy's web site feature, TNG uploads your Gedcom into its
> database and then dynamically generates the various pages on demand
> by visitors. With the Legacy app, you create static pages on your PC
> and then upload them to your web site.
>
> I started using dynamic web publishing for my research in the late
> 1990s when I figured out that trying to upload static pages would
> just be unreasonable. I discovered TNG about 2004 and have been using
> it ever since.
>
> Here is a link to part of my Davidson research:
>
>  www.davidsongenealogy.com
>
> I maintain my master file using Legacy and then from time to time
> create a Gedcom from Legacy and upload it to TNG.
>
> So, of course, it is very important to me that all of my data from my
> genealogy get properly transferred to TNG. This thread began because
> we have discovered that the Gedcom interface between the two programs
> is not working as well as it could.
>
> I suspect that 1000s of Legacy users are using TNG.
>
> john.
>
> At 09:29 AM 3/26/2015, memc...@aol.com wrote:
> >Cathy and Don used the following initials: TNG.
> >They stand for what"
> >My search came up with "Star Trek The Next Generation"
> >Thanks,
> >Mike McDermott, San Jose, CA
> >
> >In a message dated 3/25/2015 8:29:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> >genea...@gmail.com writes:
> >I understand that TNG has no problem
> >
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Issue with Gedcom Export of Child Status

[Jay Wilpolt]

John in regards to

you said

"User could add custom event that reports the status. But that would need
to be added by user every time they did an upload."

that is not correct.
As an old user I had a custom event for Adoption and still have a few
stragglers left.
They get exported just fine and tng imports them nicely, Just make sure to
"allow" the custom event in TNG.

Jay





On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:35 PM, John B. Lisle  wrote:

>  Jay,
>
> The child status triggers placing the status in the child list in Family
> view and adding it to some of the reports. This is useful for Adoption, but
> it is more interesting for Stillborn or Twin status. Child Status or birth
> notes are only alternative ways or reporting these status in Legacy.
>
> The primary handling of adoption is with the Child-Parent relationship
> tool. and use of an Adoption event to put a date and place and verbiage and
> sourcing on it.
>
> However, setting this status gets it displayed in the family view child
> list and may have some value when creating descendant and pedigree reports.
>
> --> Remember, historically, Legacy only had adopted status. Child-Parent
> relationship status was only added with Legacy 6, I believe, so many long
> time users have not converted to it.
>
> As an earlier writer mentioned, TNG does not natively have a way to add
> this status (easily - User could add custom event that reports the status.
> But that would need to be added by user every time they did an upload.
>
> john.
>
>
> At 05:22 PM 3/26/2015, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
>
> John,
>
> After further review, I am not so sure this is as critical of an issue
> (for me)
>
> As noted in other messg on this thread, Legacy does export and TNG does
> properly import the "Child Relationship" status.
>
> Thats good enough for me.
>
> In a quick search for persons where Child Status = Adopted and Child
> Relationship for either Father or mother was "blank" I only had 10 records.
>
> By changing those, the Adopted will show on their TNG pages.
>
> I only had one exception and that was for a child who was adopted by her
> biological Uncle, and for future "genetic/cause of death" searches
> I want to keep her Father Relationship as Biological. (with a note in the
> record)
>
> Could you change your records to solve this??  Maybe I dont understand
> why you use that field instead of the more specific Child Relationship.
>
> Jay
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 9:07 PM, John B. Lisle 
> wrote:
>  Jay,
>
> 1/ Darrin could "fix" it, but that is not the right fix. And he says it
> would not be an easy fix. He claims that only me and 1 other person has
> ever noticed.
>
> 2/ No, there is no easy fix to the Gedcom.
>
> 3/ What you (and other can do) is to submit a suggestion at LegacyFT web
> site to update Legacy go Gedcom export of Child Status is useful. Please
> reference that I am submitting a detailed suggestion.
>
> 4/ Tell Darrin that this is a problem for you. Please feel free to send a
> message to the TNG users list so more Legacy users may become aware of the
> issue.
>
> I am sure that 100s, maybe 1000s, of users are importing Legacy Gedcoms
> into TNG and most have never noticed that this status (actually an
> attribute) field is not getting imported.
>
> thanks for your message,
>
> john.
>
> At 07:28 PM 3/25/2015, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I was unaware of this as well.
>
> I hope Darrin will fix it or is there an easy was to change the gedcom
> contents before importing into TNG?
>
>
> I am always frustrated when creating a gedcom in Legacy for "Changed"
> persons, and then importing that (appending to an existing database) into
> TNG ALWAYS screws up the family group
>
> Legacy has a check to add Parents and Spouses and Children, BUT what about
> SIBLINGS!!ÂÂ
>
> so in TNG the FAMC gets replaced with only those included in the gedcom.
>
> so frustrating.
>
> Let me know what I can do to help, as I am sure there are many Legacy
> Users importing into TNG.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jay
> 1FamilyTree.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 1:49 PM, John B. Lisle 
> wrote: Hi,
> A user recently reported to me that Child Status attributes, such as 
> Stillborn,
> Twin, Adopted, etc., were not being imported into his TNG web site from a
> Legacy Gedcom file.
> Analysis shows that Legacy is exporting the Child Status in Gedcom, and
> can import those Legacy Gedcoms properly back into in Legacy. But the TNG
> web publishing application that many Legacy users use does not import the
> tag that Legacy uses to report Child Status. (Legacy c

Re: [LegacyUG] ENTERING CENSUS SOURCES

[Jay Wilpolt]

John,

I know for a fact that if you paste the ancestry URL for a census page into
the "details" of a Source note
it WILL properly display on a TNG website with a working link to the page.
(Remember however the visitor must still be an ancestry member to view
those pages, if not they will be redirected as normal by ancestry)

I do not know how ancestry trees would handle it, if you were to upload it
there.

I will reply to your message to Ward in that thread with more and an
example.

Jay





On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Sherry/Support  wrote:

> John,
>
> Just remember, if you upload your Legacy data to Ancestry, the data in
> Ancestry won't be changed as you add or edit in Legacy. You will have
> to keep the Ancestry site updated manually as you update Legacy.
>
> You can also create web pages in Legacy and upload them to a server. I
> recommend Rootswebs FreePages for that = check out
> http://accounts.rootsweb.ancestry.com/
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:38 AM,   wrote:
> > Good morning everyone.
> > My question concerns the correct way to enter the location of a specific
> > Census page into Legacy 8
> > as it is displayed on Ancestry. When I am at Ancestry the Public Member
> > listings have LINKS to some
> > of the Census information.
> >
> > I eventually want to GEDCOM my files up to Ancestry and would like to
> > provide this link to other people.
> >
> > Should I COPY and PASTE the data in the Ancestry address bar into Legacy
> > Media Gallery / Internet Website?
> >
> > Does this address info upload via a GEDCOM?
> >
> > Thank you all for your help and suggestions.
> >
> > John Christenson
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] TNG and Shared Events

[Jay Wilpolt]

I dont use shared events nor do I want to at this point as then Legacy
cannot be used by LTools

I sure hope that there will be a concensus amoungst the genealogy software
makers on a standard,
but until that happens you RISK fouling up any data export/ imports unless
the source or destination are using compatible software.

PLEASE be careful when exchanging data.


Jay





On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:44 PM, John B. Lisle 
wrote:

> Legacy TNG Users,
>
> How are you handling your shared events when you export your Gedcom
> for TNG? Is it important for you to have your Shared event displayed
> on your TNG web site?
>
> Currently, TNG does not support importing shared events even though
> both Legacy 8 and Roots Magic export shared events with basically the
> same Gedcom.
>
> When Legacy 8 was released in Nov 2013, TNG's developer Darrin seemed
> to commit to supporting shared events by TNG 11. However, since
> making that commitment, he has not heard from you that you want them
> supported so he is no longer committed to doing it.
>
> If you want shared events in TNG, it is time to write him and say
> that you are expecting this support soon.
>
> Just this past week, I had a contact buy Legacy and TNG so he could
> move from FTM and use shared events.
>
> I know there are many more people with this interest. As my principal
> publishing is done on the Web with TNG, shared events are useless to
> me until TNG can support them.
>
> Please let your voices be heard :-)
>
> john.
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Issue with Gedcom Export of Child Status

[Jay Wilpolt]

Ward,

I also use TNG and export a gedcom from Legacy.
I use the Export to Gedcom, but where the first window has a selection for
type: I leave that as for Legacy.
It will use standard 5.5 rules but include much more info.
I customize the contents by blocking data for LDS and To-Do notes, then in
the field selection, I remove the Tag1- thru Tag9 from the Gedcom build.

TNG imports it all very well.


Hope That helps

Jay



On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Ward Walker  wrote:

>   I am a recent TNG user. I have been using the GEDCOM 5.5.1 option for
> export from Legacy, because the TNG documentation implied that GEDCOM 5.5
> was required.
>
> Is the option to export for Legacy simply a superset of the 5.5.1 option?
> What would it give me that I don’t already have? (The child/parent
> relationship is in both.) Might it also give me things that I don’t
> actually want to see in the TNG representation? I can see at a glance that
> the Legacy option adds To-Do list items, Legacy tags and a flag for
> Preferred child or spouse. I imagine that TNG ignores these.
>
> I agree that Child Status would be very good to add to TNG, and it is
> currently not in the 5.5.1 export option. There is also no place to edit
> this status in manually in TNG (other than using Notes or Events).
>
>   Ward
>
>  *From:* CE WOOD 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2015 1:51 PM
> *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Issue with Gedcom Export of Child Status
>
>  The reason I asked is because Darrin advised me against using GEDCOM
> 5.5.1.
>
> Perhaps the problem some experience comes from not using the Legacy
> GEDCOM, thinking it is for use with Legacy only.
>
>
> CE
>
>  --
> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 00:16:18 -0400
> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> From: leg...@johnlisle.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Issue with Gedcom Export of Child Status
>
> CE,
>
> The issue is not which version of Gedcom you use. However, when I export a
> Gedcom for import to TNG, I always use the Legacy style export as this
> exports all of the information and so I have only a small information
> lossage.
>
> This Child Status feature is one of the most important pieces that is lost.
>
> john.
>
> At 09:56 PM 3/25/2015, CE WOOD wrote:
>
> What GEDCOM version do you use?
>
>
> CE
>
>
> --
> From: dwquig...@cox.net
> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Issue with Gedcom Export of Child Status
> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 18:05:02 -0700
>
> Hmmm.  On my TNG website, the "child relationship" seems to show properly
> as the "Relationship"  under a parent on a child's Personal Information page
>
>
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> Donald Quigley
>
> Escondido, CA
>
> Quigley Doyle Family Tree
>
> http://www.donquigley.net
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John B. Lisle [mailto:leg...@johnlisle.com ]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 1:49 PM
> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Issue with Gedcom Export of Child Status
>
> Hi,
>
> A user recently reported to me that Child Status attributes, such as
> Stillborn, Twin, Adopted, etc., were not being imported into his TNG web
> site from a Legacy Gedcom file.
>
> Analysis shows that Legacy is exporting the Child Status in Gedcom, and
> can import those Legacy Gedcoms properly back into in Legacy. But the TNG
> web publishing application that many Legacy users use does not import the
> tag that Legacy uses to report Child Status. (Legacy currently exports it
> as an attribute of the child in the family structure.)
>
> --> IE, none of your Child Status attributes have EVER been imported into
> TNG. Maybe this OK with you? Maybe you have never noticed?   Further
> analysis shows that Legacy's approach to Child Status seems to be unique
> among the major genealogy products and, although the best (as far as I am
> concerned) actually, may not be optimal. In reality, there is no
> consistency in how various products implement Child Status attributes, if
> they handle them at all.
> Consequently, the TNG developer has less incentive to provide the fix for
> this mis-match with Legacy.  As this has been a problem for 10+ years with,
> supposedly, only myself and one other user expressing concern over this to
> Legacy, I would like to know if other users have seen this and would like
> to see this resolved. Getting something resolved - and quickly - will
> require having many folks second that this is an issue for them.
>
> --> Let me emphasize that this is not a Legacy bug. Legacy itself works
> fine. This is a mis-match in the interface between two products.  Also, do
> you know of any other programs where the current Child Status
> implementation is causing a problem from Legacy Gedcoms?
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
> john.
>
> nashua, new hampshire
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Issue with Gedcom Export of Child Status

[Jay Wilpolt]

John,

After further review, I am not so sure this is as critical of an issue (for
me)

As noted in other messg on this thread, Legacy does export and TNG does
properly import the "Child Relationship" status.

Thats good enough for me.

In a quick search for persons where Child Status = Adopted and Child
Relationship for either Father or mother was "blank" I only had 10 records.

By changing those, the Adopted will show on their TNG pages.

I only had one exception and that was for a child who was adopted by her
biological Uncle, and for future "genetic/cause of death" searches
I want to keep her Father Relationship as Biological. (with a note in the
record)

Could you change your records to solve this??  Maybe I dont understand why
you use that field instead of the more specific Child Relationship.

Jay



On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 9:07 PM, John B. Lisle  wrote:

>  Jay,
>
> 1/ Darrin could "fix" it, but that is not the right fix. And he says it
> would not be an easy fix. He claims that only me and 1 other person has
> ever noticed.
>
> 2/ No, there is no easy fix to the Gedcom.
>
> 3/ What you (and other can do) is to submit a suggestion at LegacyFT web
> site to update Legacy go Gedcom export of Child Status is useful. Please
> reference that I am submitting a detailed suggestion.
>
> 4/ Tell Darrin that this is a problem for you. Please feel free to send a
> message to the TNG users list so more Legacy users may become aware of the
> issue.
>
> I am sure that 100s, maybe 1000s, of users are importing Legacy Gedcoms
> into TNG and most have never noticed that this status (actually an
> attribute) field is not getting imported.
>
> thanks for your message,
>
> john.
>
> At 07:28 PM 3/25/2015, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I was unaware of this as well.
>
> I hope Darrin will fix it or is there an easy was to change the gedcom
> contents before importing into TNG?
>
>
> I am always frustrated when creating a gedcom in Legacy for "Changed"
> persons, and then importing that (appending to an existing database) into
> TNG ALWAYS screws up the family group
>
> Legacy has a check to add Parents and Spouses and Children, BUT what about
> SIBLINGS!!Â
>
> so in TNG the FAMC gets replaced with only those included in the gedcom.
>
> so frustrating.
>
> Let me know what I can do to help, as I am sure there are many Legacy
> Users importing into TNG.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jay
> 1FamilyTree.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 1:49 PM, John B. Lisle 
> wrote:
>  Hi,
>
> A user recently reported to me that Child Status attributes, such as
> Stillborn, Twin, Adopted, etc., were not being imported into his TNG
> web site from a Legacy Gedcom file.
>
> Analysis shows that Legacy is exporting the Child Status in Gedcom,
> and can import those Legacy Gedcoms properly back into in Legacy. But
> the TNG web publishing application that many Legacy users use does
> not import the tag that Legacy uses to report Child Status. (Legacy
> currently exports it as an attribute of the child in the family structure.)
>
> --> IE, none of your Child Status attributes have EVER been imported
> into TNG. Maybe this OK with you? Maybe you have never noticed?
>
> Further analysis shows that Legacy's approach to Child Status seems
> to be unique among the major genealogy products and, although the
> best (as far as I am concerned) actually, may not be optimal. In
> reality, there is no consistency in how various products implement
> Child Status attributes, if they handle them at all.
>
> Consequently, the TNG developer has less incentive to provide the fix
> for this mis-match with Legacy.
>
> As this has been a problem for 10+ years with, supposedly, only
> myself and one other user expressing concern over this to Legacy, I
> would like to know if other users have seen this and would like to
> see this resolved. Getting something resolved - and quickly - will
> require having many folks second that this is an issue for them.
>
> --> Let me emphasize that this is not a Legacy bug. Legacy itself
> works fine. This is a mis-match in the interface between two products.
>
> Also, do you know of any other programs where the current Child
> Status implementation is causing a problem from Legacy Gedcoms?
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
> john.
> nashua, new hampshire
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Issue with Gedcom Export of Child Status

[Jay Wilpolt]

John,

I also use TNG, but I have yet to figure out how to let "multiple people to
work on a single
copy"  if the Admin is regularly uploading a complete new gedcom.

Do you have a solution for getting TNG additions by other Users back to the
Admins Legacy database?


That would be something MANY people would want.

Look forward to your response.

Jay


On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:22 AM, John B. Lisle  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> TNG (http://lythgoes.net/genealogy/software.php) is a popular web
> based genealogy program and web publishing application.
>
> As a genealogy program, it allows multiple people to work on a single
> copy of a genealogy as the database is on a web site. But more
> importantly, it is, in my humble opinion, the best tool for
> publishing your Legacy genealogy on a web site.
>
> Unlike Legacy's web site feature, TNG uploads your Gedcom into its
> database and then dynamically generates the various pages on demand
> by visitors. With the Legacy app, you create static pages on your PC
> and then upload them to your web site.
>
> I started using dynamic web publishing for my research in the late
> 1990s when I figured out that trying to upload static pages would
> just be unreasonable. I discovered TNG about 2004 and have been using
> it ever since.
>
> Here is a link to part of my Davidson research:
>
> www.davidsongenealogy.com
>
> I maintain my master file using Legacy and then from time to time
> create a Gedcom from Legacy and upload it to TNG.
>
> So, of course, it is very important to me that all of my data from my
> genealogy get properly transferred to TNG. This thread began because
> we have discovered that the Gedcom interface between the two programs
> is not working as well as it could.
>
> I suspect that 1000s of Legacy users are using TNG.
>
> john.
>
> At 09:29 AM 3/26/2015, memc...@aol.com wrote:
> >Cathy and Don used the following initials: TNG.
> >They stand for what"
> >My search came up with "Star Trek The Next Generation"
> >Thanks,
> >Mike McDermott, San Jose, CA
> >
> >In a message dated 3/25/2015 8:29:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> >genea...@gmail.com writes:
> >I understand that TNG has no problem
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Issue with Gedcom Export of Child Status

[Jay Wilpolt]

John,

I was unaware of this as well.

I hope Darrin will fix it or is there an easy was to change the gedcom
contents before importing into TNG?


I am always frustrated when creating a gedcom in Legacy for "Changed"
persons, and then importing that (appending to an existing database) into
TNG ALWAYS screws up the family group

Legacy has a check to add Parents and Spouses and Children, BUT what about
SIBLINGS!!

so in TNG the FAMC gets replaced with only those included in the gedcom.

so frustrating.

Let me know what I can do to help, as I am sure there are many Legacy Users
importing into TNG.

Thanks

Jay
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On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 1:49 PM, John B. Lisle  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> A user recently reported to me that Child Status attributes, such as
> Stillborn, Twin, Adopted, etc., were not being imported into his TNG
> web site from a Legacy Gedcom file.
>
> Analysis shows that Legacy is exporting the Child Status in Gedcom,
> and can import those Legacy Gedcoms properly back into in Legacy. But
> the TNG web publishing application that many Legacy users use does
> not import the tag that Legacy uses to report Child Status. (Legacy
> currently exports it as an attribute of the child in the family structure.)
>
> --> IE, none of your Child Status attributes have EVER been imported
> into TNG. Maybe this OK with you? Maybe you have never noticed?
>
> Further analysis shows that Legacy's approach to Child Status seems
> to be unique among the major genealogy products and, although the
> best (as far as I am concerned) actually, may not be optimal. In
> reality, there is no consistency in how various products implement
> Child Status attributes, if they handle them at all.
>
> Consequently, the TNG developer has less incentive to provide the fix
> for this mis-match with Legacy.
>
> As this has been a problem for 10+ years with, supposedly, only
> myself and one other user expressing concern over this to Legacy, I
> would like to know if other users have seen this and would like to
> see this resolved. Getting something resolved - and quickly - will
> require having many folks second that this is an issue for them.
>
> --> Let me emphasize that this is not a Legacy bug. Legacy itself
> works fine. This is a mis-match in the interface between two products.
>
> Also, do you know of any other programs where the current Child
> Status implementation is causing a problem from Legacy Gedcoms?
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
> john.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Marriage list

[Jay Wilpolt]

Then why not just add
Given name = UnknownM
Surname = Unknown

Given name = UnknownF
Surname = Unknown

When you dont have the information?

This also helps to eliminate errors between data transfers when these
fields are 'expecting" data.







On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Charani  wrote:

> On 03/03/2015 18:22, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
> > How else could the logic work if it didnt have SOMETHING to connect the
> > two?
>
> Logic and programming are not /necessarily/ the same thing.
>
> I'd like to be able to add children without having to enter the
> surname of a mother or father, such as when foundlings who are also
> siblings end up with different surnames but the biological parents are
> unknown so the birth surname is unknown.
>
> If I do have known siblings but no parents names, rather than add a
> father as Michele suggested, I'd add a mother because there's a 50/50
> chance the children could have been illegitimate.  I'd also be more
> likely to add an honorific in the given name field and the surname in
> brackets as I do where I don't know the maiden name of a wife.
>
> Genealogy is anything but straightforward :)
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Marriage list

[Jay Wilpolt]

Yes,

How else could the logic work if it didnt have SOMETHING to connect the
two?



On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Charani  wrote:

> On 03/03/2015 16:18, Leon Chapman wrote:
> > I looked at my list and find the same problem.
> > Lots of Unknown married to Unknown.
>
> I've just produced a list of marriages and found the same thing but in
> my case I have several children who I /know/ are related but I don't
> know the names of their parents or even if the surname they used was
> their birth one.
>
> Legacy won't let you add a sibling if there isn't at least one parent.
>
> Maybe putting in one child automatically shows the unknown parents as
> that simply because the child must have had parents.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Switching fields in an event

[Jay Wilpolt]

GMail users should know that they will not see their messages appear in
their own inbox because GMail 'holds back' displaying of your own emails.
This is a standard GMail process for any "List" type mailing group and not
anything to do with how Legacy handles their List email settings.

Just an FYI





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> On 03/03/2015 15:48, M Ross wrote:
> > So legacyusergroup is the address not the subject line. Where is the
> > subject line so I can ask a proper question
>
> The subject line of *this* message is: Switching fields in an event
>
> That is not the subject line you need for YOUR question
>
> You need one that refers to YOUR question.
>
> Open Gmail and go into your account.
>
> Click on compose on the left
>
> That will open a box which has New Message at the top
>
> Under that is a box with To at the beginning which will disappear when
> you put in the address.  You put legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com in
> that box
>
> Under that is another box which has Subject at the beginning which
> again will disappear when you put in the subject
>
> Next is a big box for your message
>
> You've nearly finished :)
>
> In the very bottom right hand corner you will see a little arrow. If
> you put your mouse over that, it says More Options.  Click on the arrow.
>
> One of the options (choices) that appears in the menu is Plain text
> mode  Click on that option.  The box will disappear but don't worry
> about that. Gmail has done what you've chosen
>
> Last step: click on Send in the bottom left hand corner of the box
> you've composed your message.
>
> In a few minutes your message will appear on the list.
>
> I'm going to send you some pictures of the steps off list that may
> help you see what I've said above.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Marriage list

[Jay Wilpolt]

Leon,

This is NOT a bug.
It's just 'leftover' data in most cases.

There are many ways these 'ghost' marriages are created and they stay in
Legacy until you delete them.
Why, because Legacy knows it isnt as smart as you are,
and never assumes that just because you are removing a spouse or child from
a marriage doesnt mean that marriage isnt valid.

If you are on the Family View, and the wife has no parents, when you click
on the 'parents' field to add someone, a marriage is created in Legacy,
even if you dont add any names.


By using a gedcom validator like Bonkers or the error checking in programs
like Genealogica Grafica, you can review your files for errors like these
that build up over time.

Hope that helps.
Jay







On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Leon Chapman  wrote:

>  Ila:
>
> I looked at my list and find the same problem.
> Lots of Unknown married to Unknown.
>
>
> This is not good and appears to be a BUG.
>
> Chap
>
> On 3/3/15 8:27 AM, Ila East wrote:
>
>  After discussing filing systems, I decided this morning to check my
> marriage list and I found hundreds of marriages with Unknown and Unknown.Â
> When I got to investigating further I found that each marriage had either a
> source attached, a marriage note, or a date. I went through a number of
> these marriages and deleted all the data and then had Legacy renumber the
> MRINs. Several were reused, but most were not. I then went through the same
> ones and made sure I removed the marriage link. These marriages disappeared
> from the screen, but when I had Legacy renumber the MRINs these were not
> reused and showed up again.
> Â
> I am assuming these marriages were created when I imported my GEDCOM file
> from FTM for the Mac after I got my Windows computer and started using
> Legacy again. It looks like each marriage was created as it should have
> been with all the data and then the marriage data was also placed in blank
> marriages thus creating these “ghost†marriages.
> Â
> I have tried compacting the family file, and check and repair but nothing
> has helped. These “darling†marriages still show up. I feel like there
> must be something I am missing and need help finding it.
> Â
> Ila East
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Re: [LegacyUG] View & Edit Legacy Data in MS Access

[Jay Wilpolt]

Donald,

Have you tried using LTools?
It will make changes directly to the Legacy database.  (needs to be before
Legacy 8)

And it's written specifically as a tool for Legacy, whereas Access is the
format that Legacy database is stored in, the potential for an error that
could 'break' your Legacy database.

The only time I have let Access make any changes is when my "File Check"
has completely hung up. (I mean like even after MANY hours) The repair
database tool seems to resolve the issue.

Note: I am not connected in any way to the company that sells LTools, just
an EXTREME user of LTools , so much so that I have not migrated to Legacy 8
because I still use LTools too much.
The 'Data Bridge" tool is a magic wand that pulls all my tagged items and
bounces them against one of many Ancestry databases and allows drag and
drop and automated sourcing of records.

Hope that helps,

Jay





On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Don Quigley  wrote:

> Sorry if I’m asking a question that has been previously answered, but I
> can’t seem to get into the old usergroup messages today.
>
>
>
> I have begun to use MS Access to check for errors, consistency and missing
> information in my database sources.  That works and I can easily see what
> needs to be changed in Legacy.  But a better approach would seem to be to
> do the changes in the database tables directly in Access – particularly
> where global search/replace and copy/paste tools can be used.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know of a good “primer” for doing this with the Legacy
> database?  I’d like to avoid any pitfalls that others with more experience
> have already identified.
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures for Locations and Sources

[Jay Wilpolt]

Nancy,

For photos of where people lived I use the Residence Event and attach the
image to that
and adding the date span like bet 1900-1925

I have a great uncle who built 'very' large barns that were often pictured
in the newspaper. So in I create an Occupation event for each one, listing
his occupation as Builder and attach the photo to that , again specifying
the date range and place location.

Hope that helps
Jay




On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Nancy  wrote:

> When I was in Sweden years ago I was shown some of the places where
> ancestors had lived and I wanted to put these pictures with the locations.
> Some even had buildings going way back. I'd like these picture to be
> associated with those locations. I also have pictures of some buildings
> built by an ancestor in the 1780's. Suggestions?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 28, 2015, at 9:41 PM, Cathy Pinner  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Nancy and others interested,
> >
> > When entering media to a different place within Legacy or a new type of
> information, always check your output method before entering a lot of data.
> >
> > As Chap says, Location and Source pictures aren't much good/any good in
> Reports - so if that's where you want them, then think again.
> >
> > However, if you are headed towards web pages then source pictures are
> fine. I'm not sure about Location pictures. I don't think they show up in
> any output unless they do if you export a gedcom and use TNG for creating
> webpages.
> >
> > My major output is reports. I only add source images if I want quick and
> easy access to a source or it's quicker and easier than transcribing the
> source. I don't attach census images to sources or church register pages
> but at the moment I'm dealing with the Biographical Index for South
> Australians which is densely pack ed with cryptic entries in 3 columns.
> It's much quicker to take a photo of the relevant entry and include that
> than it is to transcribe. Here's the one for my great great grandfather
> that I transcribed years ago so you can see the point:
> > CRAIG James b: 1804 SCT d: 25.11.1862 Morphett Vale SA arr: 1839 INDIA
> occ: Farmer res: Adelaide, Noarlunga, Morphett Vale
> > m: Janet Hunter nee HOUSTON b: 6.10.1811 Glasgow SCT d: 10.9.1893
> Adelaide SA
> > ch: Anne Baird CLARK (1831-), Robt, Janet Bell, Jessie ANDERSON
> (1837-1923), Eliza Frances MUDGE, RASMUS (c1844-1929), Agnes ADAMS, Jas
> Houston (1846-1915), Mgt HUMPHRIS (1849-1929), Mary LAWRIE (1853-1923),
> Archibald
> > [a note of warning about this source. It's not sourced and is a real
> mixture of good information and family memory which was often faulty. James
> Craig had 12 children and the order is somewhat different.]
> >
> > Location photos - I do add location images if I have a better map of
> exactly where something was (I in clude addresses in my locations) or if I
> have an historic map that shows the name of the place as many locations
> have disappeared or changed name.
> > And I add location pics to Repository Addresses that show the exact
> location and where the parking is.
> > However I don't think they show up in any output unless they do if you
> export a gedcom and use TNG for creating webpages.
> >
> > If I want a picture of a house or church or whatever that was important
> in the family, then I add it only (or as well) to either an Individual or
> Marriage event.
> >
> > Anyway, the point of this email:
> > When entering media to a different place within Legacy or a new type of
> information, always check your output method before entering a lot of data.
> >
> > Cathy
> >
> > Leon Chapman wrote:
> >>
> >> Nancy:
> >>
> >> You should try a couple picture attachments and look at the output in
> >> reports for those pictures.
> >> I have found it to be too small to be of muc h use when attached to a
> >> source.
> >>
> >> I prefer to add an event to the person or the marriage and add the
> >> picture to the event.
> >> These event pictures will probably look better in say a Descendant
> >> Book report rather than being in a source at the end of the book.
> >>
> >> Chap
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ___
> >> Leon Chapman
> >> chap...@gmail.com 
> >> -
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Nancy  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Thank you. I'll try that.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> > On Feb 28, 2015, at 6:31 PM, Jenny M Benson
> >> mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 28/02/2015 23:31, Nancy Paget wrote:
> >> >> Can one attach pictures to locations and/or sources?
> >> >
> >> > Yes!
> >> >
> >> > You can add any media to Master Sources, Source Details and
> >> Locations.
> >> > Just look for the Media tab when viewing a Master Source or Source
> >> > Detail and the Add Media button when viewing a Location.
> >> >
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> >> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Jay Wilpolt]

Gene,


Yes, My senior moment has caught up with me,
as one of the discussions (in a different thread) was about having
different Long/lat for each stone within a cemetery
and that Legacy has no way to handle that
as it either creates a new record (if some field differs)
or overwrites the previous Long/Lat that was stored for that exact same
place name)


Thanks

Jay.




On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Gene Young  wrote:

> On 2/20/2015 8:27 PM, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
> > Gene,
> >
> > This is an oft mis understood area.
> >
> > What they were saying is that in the Burial Place field, we should NOT
> put the name of the cemetery, but instead put that in the Burial Place
> "address" which is the field accessed by the + sign
> >
> >
>
>
> That is correct and is exactly what I do.  I have one for each cemetery
> with no duplicates regardless of how many individuals I have connected to
> it.
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Jay Wilpolt]

Gene,

This is an oft mis understood area.

What they were saying is that in the Burial Place field, we should NOT put
the name of the cemetery, but instead put that in the Burial Place
"address" which is the field accessed by the + sign



On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Gene Young  wrote:

> On 2/20/2015 6:35 PM, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
> > The problem is the address function Does NOT give you one cemetery
> addresses with everyone attached to it, it created one address record for
> EVERY burial,
> > I dont want 1200 st. Mary Cemetery address records
> >
> >
> If this is the result you are getting you are doing something wrong.  I
> create one address location for each cemetery.  I then attach the
> appropriate individuals to the correct cemetery.  I have hundreds attached
> to a single cemetery and still have only ONE address location for the
> cemetery.  It sounds like you are creating a new cemetery every time
> instead of attaching the new person to the existing location.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Jay Wilpolt]

The problem is the address function Does NOT give you one cemetery
addresses with everyone attached to it, it created one address record for
EVERY burial,
I dont want 1200 st. Mary Cemetery address records

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Michele/Support <
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com> wrote:

> Jay,
> What is the problem with having one cemetery entry and 1200 burials
> attached to it?  The cemetery/address would show up for every person and
> you could easily see who all is attached by simply doing a “Show List”
>
> The problem you will run into is when you share your information with
> other genealogists. The standard is locations go in location fields so if
> you send someone a piece of your file they will have a lot of cleanup to
> do.  If you sync to FamilySearch you will get a “non standard” location
> warning message.
>
> I can give you a third option (and this is the one I use).  I create a
> cemetery event.  I like this option because I can add notes, transcription,
> photographs etc.  If I really wanted to I could put the address in the
> description field along with the cemetery name but I don’t do that.
> Instead, the address (or directions) are in the source citation.
>
>
> Coal Town Cemetery (Lamar County, Mississippi; intersection of Coal Town
> Road and White Oak Road), Docia Leora Simmons and William Houston Simmons
> double marker, personally read, 2001.
>
> Westover Memorial Park (Richmond County, Georgia; 2601 Wheeler Road),
> Pamela Arlene Storey marker, personally read, 2002.
>
>
>
>
> Michele
> Technical Support
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> From: Jay Wilpolt [mailto:jaywilp...@aol.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 5:03 PM
> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting
>
> Michelle,
> re: addresses and names of building do not belong in the location field.
> These belong in the address field.
> I disagree that Legacy LOGICALLY handles addresses and places in the
> ADDRESS field
> The best example I can give is a cemetery.
> If you added the cemetery name in the Burial address field for each person
> that was buried there,  you would have an address record for each burial,
> instead of just ONE St. Mary's cemetery with  1200 records attached to the
> address.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Jay Wilpolt]

Michelle,

re: addresses and names of building do not belong in the location field.
These belong in the address field.

I disagree that Legacy LOGICALLY handles addresses and places in the
ADDRESS field

The best example I can give is a cemetery.

If you added the cemetery name in the Burial address field for each person
that was buried there,  you would have an address record for each burial,
instead of just ONE St. Mary's cemetery with  1200 records attached to the
address.






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> As long as you are consistent with how many fields you use for each
> country your Master Location List will sort the countries together
> properly.  For example, I use 4 fields for US, I use 3 for Germany, I use 4
> for Poland and I use 6 for France.   I have no problem with sorting.  Where
> you run into problems is when you are not consistent within a country.
>
>
>
> Also, addresses and names of building do not belong in the location
> field.  These belong in the address field.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Jay Wilpolt]

Ron,

can you explain why?
the "names" for the 4 "main" municipality location fields are just labels
and could be adjusted as needed.
Maybe they could be
City,
Parish,
County,
Country

Or even just
City, state, Country and have one field "disabled"

There are many ways that these could be adjusted so that globally we are
better off that the one field we have now.

But since I am not familiar with the place name location needs of other
countries, it would help if you explain what you do need.

Thanks

Jay


On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:10 AM,  wrote:

> Jay, maybe OK for the States, but no good fir many other countries.
>
> Ron Ferguson
>
>
> Jay Wilpolt  wrote:
>
> I should add here my own "idea" that I hope might someday be implemented
> to resolve many "place" name issues.
>
> First, lets break down the place field into the individual components.
> A field for Country
> a field for State
> a field for County
> a field for Name
>
> Then lets add another set of fields to help us manage places that are not
> municipalities.
> probably 3 fields would suffice for most any applications
>
> Field 1 might contain  a name like ; St. Mary's Catholic Church
> field 2 might contain the address  : 123 Main Street
> Field 3 might contain a "place type"  maybe 1 for cemetery, 2 for church,
> 3 for hospital, 4 for residence.
>
> When exporting data to a gedcom, we would "mash" all the 5 fields (but not
> the type)
> St. Marys Catholic Church, 123 Main st., Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA
>
> Importing data might be more difficult, but we know we can take countries
> and states and match to the known possibilities.
>
> We could also then set "user" defaults for which fields are displayed.
>
> Hopefully, eventually Legacy will implement something like this to help us
> all manage our places better.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jay
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:47 PM, kaytt  wrote:
>
>> I have been using Legacy since Version 2 and I'm still struggling with
>> finding a way to enter place names to show everything I want in a written
>> report but have them sort properly in the list.
>> My problem is that sometimes I have only 3 names with separating comas and
>> sometimes 5.  If I do a reverse sort: Country, State, County, City it's a
>> mess.
>> For example--
>> 3 places separated by comas:
>>   Kirk Maughold Cemetery, Maughold, Isle of Man  (Isle of man is it's own
>> country and not part of England as the Manx are quick to point out).
>> sorts to -
>> , Isle of Man, Maughold, Kirk Maughold
>>
>> 5 places separated by comas:
>>  Elmwood Cemetery, Kansas City, Jackson County, Missouri, USA.
>> sorts to:
>> Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, Elmwood Cemetery, USA
>>
>> Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada sorts to:
>> , Canada, Saskatchewan, Regina.
>> Most provinces in Canada do not have counties so almost everything is 3
>> places unless a cemetery is added to take up the 4th space.
>>
>> Any suggestions or creative ideas would be most welcome.  My biggest
>> concern
>> is the sorting.  If I want to make a list of people buried in various
>> cemeteries in Kansas City, MO, I'd like to find them grouped together in
>> the
>> sort list rather than have to scroll through and try picking them out.
>> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery A
>> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery B
>> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery C
>>
>>
>> I hope I've explained this in a clear manner.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kathy
>>
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Jay Wilpolt]

I should add here my own "idea" that I hope might someday be implemented to
resolve many "place" name issues.

First, lets break down the place field into the individual components.
A field for Country
a field for State
a field for County
a field for Name

Then lets add another set of fields to help us manage places that are not
municipalities.
probably 3 fields would suffice for most any applications

Field 1 might contain  a name like ; St. Mary's Catholic Church
field 2 might contain the address  : 123 Main Street
Field 3 might contain a "place type"  maybe 1 for cemetery, 2 for church, 3
for hospital, 4 for residence.

When exporting data to a gedcom, we would "mash" all the 5 fields (but not
the type)
St. Marys Catholic Church, 123 Main st., Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA

Importing data might be more difficult, but we know we can take countries
and states and match to the known possibilities.

We could also then set "user" defaults for which fields are displayed.

Hopefully, eventually Legacy will implement something like this to help us
all manage our places better.

Thanks

Jay






On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:47 PM, kaytt  wrote:

> I have been using Legacy since Version 2 and I'm still struggling with
> finding a way to enter place names to show everything I want in a written
> report but have them sort properly in the list.
> My problem is that sometimes I have only 3 names with separating comas and
> sometimes 5.  If I do a reverse sort: Country, State, County, City it's a
> mess.
> For example--
> 3 places separated by comas:
>   Kirk Maughold Cemetery, Maughold, Isle of Man  (Isle of man is it's own
> country and not part of England as the Manx are quick to point out).
> sorts to -
> , Isle of Man, Maughold, Kirk Maughold
>
> 5 places separated by comas:
>  Elmwood Cemetery, Kansas City, Jackson County, Missouri, USA.
> sorts to:
> Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, Elmwood Cemetery, USA
>
> Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada sorts to:
> , Canada, Saskatchewan, Regina.
> Most provinces in Canada do not have counties so almost everything is 3
> places unless a cemetery is added to take up the 4th space.
>
> Any suggestions or creative ideas would be most welcome.  My biggest
> concern
> is the sorting.  If I want to make a list of people buried in various
> cemeteries in Kansas City, MO, I'd like to find them grouped together in
> the
> sort list rather than have to scroll through and try picking them out.
> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery A
> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery B
> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery C
>
>
> I hope I've explained this in a clear manner.
>
> Thanks,
> Kathy
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Jay Wilpolt]

You are asking for a "Genealogy" program to perform the function of a "Data
Manipulation" program.

To get the results you desire, export the data to csv and then use a data
spreadsheet type program to manipulate your data.



On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:47 PM, kaytt  wrote:

> I have been using Legacy since Version 2 and I'm still struggling with
> finding a way to enter place names to show everything I want in a written
> report but have them sort properly in the list.
> My problem is that sometimes I have only 3 names with separating comas and
> sometimes 5.  If I do a reverse sort: Country, State, County, City it's a
> mess.
> For example--
> 3 places separated by comas:
>   Kirk Maughold Cemetery, Maughold, Isle of Man  (Isle of man is it's own
> country and not part of England as the Manx are quick to point out).
> sorts to -
> , Isle of Man, Maughold, Kirk Maughold
>
> 5 places separated by comas:
>  Elmwood Cemetery, Kansas City, Jackson County, Missouri, USA.
> sorts to:
> Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, Elmwood Cemetery, USA
>
> Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada sorts to:
> , Canada, Saskatchewan, Regina.
> Most provinces in Canada do not have counties so almost everything is 3
> places unless a cemetery is added to take up the 4th space.
>
> Any suggestions or creative ideas would be most welcome.  My biggest
> concern
> is the sorting.  If I want to make a list of people buried in various
> cemeteries in Kansas City, MO, I'd like to find them grouped together in
> the
> sort list rather than have to scroll through and try picking them out.
> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery A
> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery B
> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery C
>
>
> I hope I've explained this in a clear manner.
>
> Thanks,
> Kathy
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Oh-oh!

[Jay Wilpolt]

Great advice Jim!

I run a File Check repair Every time I use Legacy
I create a backup at least once every day and if I have spent an hour or
more adding info, I will make a backup after that.
(Every month I deleted old backups and that folder usually has about 50 to
delete every month)

DO NOT leave legacy open if you are not going to work on it.

Be conscious of any use of " or ' that could foul up records during an
import or export  (the fewer "quotes" I have, the fewer problems occur with
data going in and out)

I read these stories here of Data : magically being added or removed
I would bet all my research that it's all operator error.

Thanks

Jay




On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Jim Terry/Support  wrote:

> Here are some things that may help stop data corruption and data loss:
>
> . Always do Check/Repair before and after updating/upgrading the Legacy
> program; before and after importing one file into another; before and after
> merging duplicate persons, etc.
> . Use an uninterruptable power supply or APC to protect your computer from
> sudden power loss and to filter out power surges/fluctuations.
> . Don't leave Legacy open and unattended for prolonged periods. Shut it
> down if you are going to bed or will be away for more than a few minutes. A
> family file can be corrupted if Legacy is open when an automatic Windows
> update with reboot happens.
> . Make sure that you always work in the same family file.  Some users have
> more than one family file with the exact same name, but saved in different
> locations. For example, if they have been adding new people to their family
> file called MyGenealogy.fdb saved in Documents for several weeks, and then
> inadvertently open an old version MyGenealogy.fdb saved in the Legacy
> folder they conclude that Legacy has lost data.
> . Restoring a family file from an old backup can be a problem. If you do
> not backup frequently and need to restore your family file, you will get an
> older version of your file with fewer people.
> . Too many backups can be confusing. When you restore from a backup copy,
> select the one with the most recent date.
> . Run ScanDisk / Disk Defragmenter regularly on your computer's hard drive
> and replace bad drives.
> . Don't push the 2 GB size limitation for a family file. As a file
> approaches the 2 GB limit it becomes susceptible to errors that can't be
> fixed.
> . Back up your family file on a regular basis, especially before any major
> file operations like importing and merging records, or using any tools like
> Check/Repair, Advanced Deleting, Advanced Sourcing or Search and Replace
> which make global changes to your family file.
>
> Jim
> Legacy Technical Support
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>
>  Original Message 
> > From: "Elizabeth Verchio" 
> > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 2:02 PM
> > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Oh-oh!
> >
> > Several weeks ago I had the exact   'Oh-oh! event when over 5,000
> people who were not previously   linked to a location (In the Master
> Location List) was suddenly   linked -Â  seems the events were pretty
> much the way you described   them, Brian.  I just sat and looked at
> the screen for about 10   minutes - I was too shocked to move!  That
> was when I looked into   the Legacy e-mail group to see if it had
> happened before.  By the   time I got signed up, able to access and
> search entires I was so   frustrated that I just restored my most
> recent back-up, from the   night before, and in the process lost
> several hours of editing.ÂAs you commented maybe just one of those
> "one-in-a-million"   chances.  Well, mine makes it a 2 in a million.Â
> After that   happened, I have set a better routine to back-up
> alternating   between 2 files every hour or so, and when I am ready to
> end for   the day I back-up to the oldest file and another file on aÂ
>   (mirrored) drive on my network.  Currently, I am cleaning up data,
>  locations, linked photos, and changing the way I enter burial
>  information.  Needless to say - having over 5000 profiles to
>  suddenly be linked to a location that had nothing to do with their
>  live is, well, let me just say I was not a happy camper, ill is a
>  better description! But, it did get me joined up to this users   group
> where I have gained a lot of good, helpful tools.  Thanks   everybody.
> >
> >   Elizabeth
> >   Born in Alabama, still residing in illinois
> >
> >   On 2/19/2015 1:20 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:
> >Iâ?Tm
>  sure this was some random event that can never be duplicated
>  and there is nothing a user can do to avoid it other than a
>  one-in-a-million chance of it happening again. The most
>  important thing is to have a recent backup. Â  Now,
>  speaking of recent backups, I had another oh-oh moment when
>  I looked in my D

Re: [LegacyUG] Locations: towns in multiple counties?

[Jay Wilpolt]

Jerry,

She is talking about cities that are in two counties.

Like New London, Wisconsin

do you use New London, Outagamie, Wisconsin
or  New London, Waupaca, Wisconsin.
It's about 50/50 land spread between the counties.

and Appleton, Wisconsin

could be Appleton, Calumet, Wisconsin
or  Appleton, Outagamie, Wisconsin

even tho' less than 4% of the city is in Calumet County (and it's the
county seat for Outagamie. )

which one should you use when you may have documentation but no distinction
to which county it should be.

Jay



On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Jerry in Michigan 
wrote:

>  Anne, are you speaking about the source only or the location formatting?
> For those of us who use the four division location name (to promote proper
> sorting), I would do something like this:
>
> Detroit, , Michigan, United States
>
> To each his own, but I always leave the spot for the missing county
> between commas and put appropriate notes in the adjacent notes field.
>
> Jerry Boor,
> MerriamFamilyTree.org
>
>  On 02/17/2015 11:49 AM, Anne Scott wrote:
>
> I went to record an obituary source late last week and wanted to add the
> city name and county name of the newspaper to my source record.Â
> Unfortunately, the city straddles multiple counties.  After a bit of
> research, I discovered that there are many towns and cities in Colorado
> that straddle county boundaries.Â
> Â
> For my specific case, the newspaper is modern so I can look up the street
> address and record the appropriate county based on the newspaper address.
> Â
> What suggestions does this group have for handling this situation when
> all you have is a city/town name?
> Â
> Anne
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Re: [LegacyUG] Export File Paths

[Jay Wilpolt]

Ward,

If you do not have the path in the gedcom, then TNG will NOT be able to
PROPERLY create the links to your media.

The export from Legacy will either include the pics or not, there is no
choice about the path (but I am still using Ver 7.5)

The simplist way to make things easy is to duplicate the online paths on
your own pc.

Root_home online = C drive
tng home directory =  /genealogy/  or whatever you use for the main folder
in your c drive.

then have folders under that for each type of collection in tng.
photos/
documents/
Headstones/

etc.

Then in your TNG Admin settings go to IMPORT setup and in the place for
pathnames for collections like in  photos

c:\genealogy\photos\

Hope that helps.

Jay








On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Ward Walker  wrote:

>   I am trying to upload from Legacy to TNG. Most things are working, but
> I am having trouble with media files. Specifically, I cannot figure out how
> to control the Legacy export (to Gedcom 5.5) so that it only names the
> media file, rather than to give a file path as well. I do not want the
> absolute file path on my computer, nor the relative file path that begins
> with “[Default Media Folder]\”. I have already uploaded the files to an
> appropriate directory on my web server, and I can point TNG to that.
> Somehow I have got Legacy into a state where the picture files are correct
> in the gedcom (filename only), and the document files are not (Default
> Media Folder]\Docs\filename).
>
> I am vaguely aware of having been prompted for a choice for this, once
> upon a time. Was it a one-time prompt, never to be revisited? I have looked
> through all the customization options and all the option on the export
> screens.
>
>Ward
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] How's the Web Page Output - Legacy v8

[Jay Wilpolt]

Actually Legacy does now export all of the HTML if you check the boxes on
the setup page of exporting a gedcom.
Make sure that these three are all checked;

Keep embedded formatting codes
Convert formatting codes to HTML
Make space strings in note field web friendly


And everything will work.
My own gedcoms are also full of HTML and everything works well!!




On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Gene C. Harris 
wrote:

> TNG is easy to setup and great to use.  It will read Gedcom 5.5 from
> Legacy
>
>
> *Gene*
>
>
> The smallest minority on earth is the individual.
>
> Those who deny individual rights cannot
>
> claim to be defenders of minorities.
>
>
>
> --
> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 10:16:42 -0500
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How's the Web Page Output - Legacy v8
> From: bearjerca...@gmail.com
> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
>
> Were you speaking of The Master Genealogist or The Next Generation? I was
> confused about that, plus what minor detail was missing.
> Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org
>
>
> On February 14, 2015, at 09:33, Gordon Small  wrote:
>
>
> TMG would be my preferred way for web presentation except for one minor
> detail. I'm pretty sure my legacy output to a GEDCOM file would not work. I
> started using Legacy back in the early days with the intent of putting all
> the info on the web but legacy didn't have the capability of outputting
> "everything" I wanted in their web page generator, or it wasn't in the
> format I wanted it to be in. So, I improvised and used a lot of HTML
> references in the person's "Events"  that I'm pretty sure won't translate
> in a GEDCOM export. The first time I decided that the Legacy web output
> wasn't doing what I'd hoped I decided to improvise a way to get the output
> to display the way I wanted it to display. Then I had to go back through
> the database and revisit every person. I just don't have the desire to go
> back through all my sources and events and revisit all my documentation
> *again*. Actually, I'm happy with the Legacy output and while updating the
> web isn't a one click event it only takes me a day or so to massage the
> Legacy web output and get it uploaded.
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] How's the Web Page Output - Legacy v8

[Jay Wilpolt]

Gordon,

I can speak from experience, I hope that you consider using TNG for an
truly dynamic web site online (and not just a dynamic template)
I wasted many, many weeks, and months only to discover that I could have
made my web site even better in less time using TNG.

It not only allows for dynamic templates, but also dynamic Language options
(most major languages) and most importantly, dynamic data display.
So when someone adds or corrects some data, it is easy to get that new data
online vs the laborious task for static pages.

Best Regards
Jay
1familytree.com



On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:00 AM, Gordon Small  wrote:

> Thanks Brian. I'm currently redesigning my web site and plan to use a
> dynamic web template which, hopefully with the help of Ltools and a couple
> other programs, I can insert into the legacy output. The Legacy pages are
> only part of the site so I have a ways to go. I expect the site redesign to
> take several weeks before I'm ready to start on the Legacy info. I guess
> I'll just finish updating my family data in v7.5 and just before creating
> the web pages I'll import it all to v8 and see how it goes from there. If I
> have too many problems I can always just go back to the v7.5 installation.
>
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Brian L. Lightfoot <
> br...@the-lightfoots.com> wrote:
>
>> So far, your summation seems to be spot on.  
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Website

[Jay Wilpolt]

Ah, but Mary, words and phrases can mean different things depending on how
the reader interprets them.

Though it may look as if the reader wanted to know about web sites that are
created by Legacy, the actual wording does not exclude the process Jerry
mentions where Legacy's exported data is used to create a web site within
another program.

I too am a TNG enthusiast, because static web pages created by Legacy are
not very enjoyable for most visitors to read, and have no inter-active
capability like TNG  software does.

That being said, I would never use only TNG as my genealogical database
exclusively, Legacy has so many features and benefits that are needed to
properly archive genealogical information.

Jay


On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Mary Young  wrote:

> Jerry
> The OP (Rachel) asked "I would like to see some actual sites on the web
> that have been created using Legacy" - that's what we responded to.
> Mary Young
>
> On 4 February 2015 at 05:04, Gerald E Boor  wrote:
>
>> I took a look at the websites mentioned, but it doesn't appear these
>> websites are designed to allow one to view the hierarchy of a family tree.
>> It appears these sites, though quite good and detailed as to information,
>> only show static lists.
>>
>> I guess that's why there are a great many of us who use Legacy on the
>> desktop, but TNG - the next generation of genealogy sitebuilding -on the
>> web.  It depends on how you want your information to be displayed, as to
>> what you might choose to use on a website. But in our case, we would not be
>> satisfied with static lists without the ability to dynamically display
>> actual family trees. Just my thoughts for what it's worth.
>> Jerry Boor, MerriamFamilyTree.org
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] RE: My Legacy Test Message

[Jay Wilpolt]

LOL.  Millennia  would never consider such a simple solution!

Shame

NO other company of any size that I have contact with online lists
(guessing over 500) has EVER had a problem like
Millennia has had for more than one month.

BUT, after all these years I continue to BITE my Tongue.  Is that why I
get so frustrated to continually see these postings in the list group
emails?

LOL...someone should COUNT how many !!




On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Ronald Bernier 
wrote:

> It has become obvious that Millennia will never insist that the folks who
> run the email server fix the problem or they will take their business
> elsewhere.  That being said, I would prefer to see the Legacy list move
> entirely to the Rootsweb servers.  That would eliminate folks sending
> attachments to the list.  It would also force folks to send email in plain
> text only.  Most importantly, it would ensure that folks could subscribe to
> the list and/or change their receiving email address without having to jump
> through hoops.
>
>
>
> Ron Bernier
>
> Woonsocket, RI
>
>
>
> *From:* Jerry [mailto:bearjerca...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 25, 2015 9:23 PM
> *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] RE: My Legacy Test Message
>
>
>
> I have first-hand knowledge of this problem about the list that has
> absolutely nothing to do with spam settings or anything else. *It is
> definitely a bug, but apparently it doesn't happen every time*. Used to
> be that you could carefully go back and CUT and PASTE the URL link from
> that welcoming email to your browser and fix the problem, but last time I
> also had to contact support because the CUT and PASTE would not work. Just
> seeing a lot about bugs not fixed yet and wonder if I just spent money
> foolishly by upgrading to Legacy 8 recently? Hopefully not, Legacy always
> seemed to be a great product - hope they can more diligently work on the
> bugs - hire another staff member, if needed.
>
> Jerry
>
> On 26/01/2015 01:50, Jerry wrote:
>
> It is unfortunate that a reputable company like Legacy can't fix this
>
> problem or get a different third-party for their email groups - it has
>
> been happening this way for*YEARS*. That other problem on the website I
>
> reported multiple times involving clicking on*HELP CENTER*  has never
>
> been fixed after many months either. If the company can't fix these
>
> "routine" problems, makes one wonder about the more major issues? Sorry
>
> for my venting my frustration.
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Bing Maps and Event Addresses

[Jay Wilpolt]

Steve,


I agree its frustrating in that Legacy supposedly Geocodes a location,
but doesnt borther to tell you that it didnt in fact geocode the actual
location
but instead inserted the default Goecode for the State or County or Town.
(Which by the way should have a different PIN that a geocode of an exact
location.)




On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Steve Wilson  wrote:

> What I have been doing is looking up the location on Google Maps and
> toggling back and forth between Legacy/Event Address screen  and Google
> Maps to get the location down to where it actually is on the Event Address
> map
>
>
>
> The frustrating part, at least for me, is that when I find the location on
> Bing Maps in the Event Address screen, the location is identified on the
> map! I have had multiple occasions when I have entered say Oak Hill
> Cemetery,123 Main Street, Anytown, MD, USA. Bing maps will put the Pin in
> the center of the State of Maryland. When I go through the process of
> locating the correct location on Bing, the cemetery will be named on the
> Bing map. Why do I have to take the time to correct the location on the map
> provided to Legacy users through Bing?
>
>
>
> I have sent corrections to Find a Grave also, but that is another message
> board.
>
>
>
> Steve W.
>
>
>
> *From:* CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2015 1:56 PM
> *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Bing Maps and Event Addresses
>
>
>
> You would do much better to not use Bing Maps *within *Legacy. It works
> fine when I go to Bing Maps outside of Legacy. I have locations in the USA
> and in Europe. I always double check, using Google Maps and Bing Maps. Bing
> Maps zooms in closer than Google and has bird's eye option in addition to
> aerial. That is very helpful for identifying buildings; for accuracy,
> always use aerial to pinpoint the coordinates, though.
>
> One feature of Google is that even when you are searching for a specific
> address, it often opts to show coordinates for a close address or some
> nearby location that has already been entered into Google. I often must
> zoom in closer to pick out the correct location, then right-click, opt for
> "What's here?", to get the precise coordinates. This problem is evident on
> the website FindAGrave, where too many people enter coordinates that Google
> gave them, but never actually look at the map to see that the coordinates
> are not the address they searched for.
>
> I have many churches, castles, houses, etc., that Google will put in the
> middle of field, river, etc., instead of on the precise location.
>
>
> CE
>
> --
>
> From: ltsj...@gmail.com
> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Bing Maps and Event Addresses
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 12:41:00 -0500
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I am asking if there is a way that Event Address should be entered so that
> Bing Maps can accurately identify the address on the map?
>
> I have entered many cemeteries with the street address, city, states, Zip
> Code and USA only to have Bing Maps pin the cemetery miles away from its
> actual location. What is very frustrating is that the cemetery is named on
> the Bing Map!
>
>
>
> Thanks, Steve Wilson
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Event Addresses

[Jay Wilpolt]

Ward,

It looks nice but when you have Places like
Spokane - Fairmount Cemetery, Spokane, Washington, USA

They do not Geo-code properly
(this one is pinned to central Spokane)


whereas
Fairmount Cemetery, Spokane, Washington, USA

Geo-codes correctly to the exact location (quite a distance away from
central spokane)


Personally (NOTICE I say personally)
I prefer them to geo-code properly
Jay








On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Ward Walker  wrote:

> Just to add to the mix, here is another option that has been mentioned on
> this list a number of times. It works for some people and others dislike
> it.
> It works for me because I seldom record street addresses, and when I do it
> is in notes. But I do like to record hospital, church, and cemetery names
> right in the location field for vital events.
>
> The method is to add the institution name in the same field as the
> town/township, as in this example with 3 separate locations:
> Spokane, Spokane, Washington, USA
> Spokane - Fairmount Cemetery, Spokane, Washington, USA
> Spokane - Sacred Heart Hospital, Spokane, Washington, USA
>
> I like the way this sorts in the location list (either left to right or
> right to left). It doesn't rely on using a 4-field convention.
>
> Now, in non-vital Legacy events, I would put the institution name in the
> event notes or description field, and use the city-only version of the
> location in the location field. That way you can make the event readable
> with the desired prepositions and punctuation.
>
>Ward
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Arthur & Pauline Kennedy
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 12:24 PM
> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Addresses
>
> Thanks for the reply, Wendy. In response:
>
> On 13/01/2015 00:57, Wendy Howard wrote:
> > Hi Arthur,
> >
> > In Legacy, there are addresses and locations. They might appear to be
> > the same, but they're separate fields in the program.
> >
> > "1... the Event Address list contains a lot of duplicates... Is there a
> > way to get round this so that they are automatically combined?"
> >
> > I choose to put the entire address into the Location field, and don't
> > use the Event Address field at all (except for some early entries that I
> > haven't changed yet). That's my choice, others may do things differently
> > - Legacy is a very flexible program, so there are choices like this to
> > be made.
> In my current program I've only got part-way through converting the
> single-field locations into separate location and address fields, and my
> experiments so far make me wonder if I should be recombining them. As
> well as the issue I've had here in Legacy, a different program has put
> the Address data into the event Notes field, which is clear enough and
> presents reasonably on the reports I would do, but doesn't seem quite
> right to me.
>
> > In my experience, before I made this decision to use only Locations,
> > you're not given the opportunity to apply an existing address.
> This kind of rings a bell with me from when I tried this out years ago
> in v.5, and since I could see I was going to end up with a long long
> list of addresses I decided to stick with the single field. (It's only
> in my current software that I've actually started making the changes.)
>
> > You can combine Event Addresses if you wish - go to the Master Event
> > Address List (View > Master Lists > Address Lists > Event), select one
> > address then click on the button "Combine the highlighted event address
> > with another one in the list"; next click on the address you want to
> > combine this one with, then click on the button which now says
> > "Highlight the Destination, then Click this Button". You've now combined
> > the two addresses, and only the second one remains in the list.
> Thanks - I just wondered if there was some way of doing this more
> automatically.
>
> > "3. What is the best way to differentiate between apparently identical
> > addresses which belong in different locations (eg St Peter's Church in
> > two different towns)?"
> >
> > My choice is to include the street address if I know it, and the town,
> > county (or whatever it is called in this particular place), and country.
> > I put all of this into the Location field.
> Yes - if you're using a single Location field it's not really a problem,
> because you'd get things like:
> St Peter's Church, Bradford
> St Peter's Church, Leeds
> plus whatever other elements you choose to include, such as street,
> county, country etc, and as these would all show in the location list,
> it would be easy to select the right one.
>
> What I'd wondered was, if you're separating the Address from the
> Location, how in the address list do you distinguish between two
> different St Peter's Churches. With parish churches, I don't usually
> include a street name, so unless I included something else in the
> address field I wouldn't be able to tell which was which.
>
> If, as you say, th

Re: [LegacyUG] Modify GED File to Remove Shared Events?

[Jay Wilpolt]

Don,

You might also want to run some ideas past Dennis at LTools.
He may be have some groundwork that would help modify the gedcom with the
other persons in a shared event.

I have hired him on several projects and his pricing is pretty cheap.
He may even do it free
He is a master at Manipulating Legacy data.

Just a thought.

Jay




On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Don Quigley  wrote:

> Jay,
>
>
>
> That works for the “delete” lines, but doesn’t help with the “add” lines
> that are needed for the “secondary” individuals to get their “own” event.
>
>
>
> I don’t want to give up the Share feature of Legacy because it’s a big
> time saver.  But I do want accurate trees in Ancestry to help with my
> research, and in TNG (though I’m just starting there) to get my tree on to
> the Web.
>
>
>
> I ‘m going to play around with importing the text GED file into Excel and
> writing some VB macros to do what is needed.  Was hoping to avoid that
> effort.
>
>
>
> Don
>
>
>
> *From:* Jay Wilpolt [mailto:jaywilp...@aol.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, January 12, 2015 7:30 PM
> *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Modify GED File to Remove Shared Events?
>
>
>
> Don.
>
> Try Using Notepad++  for editing your gedcom
>
> Search for
> 2 _Shar
>
> and select the "find all lines with this"
>
> then repeat the process for the 3 _Role
>
>
> Then at least you can see all the lines and I think you can even delete
> them all at once.
>
> Otherwise I would just go back to Legacy 7.5 and use that to keep in sync.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Don Quigley  wrote:
>
> Has anyone developed a simple way to modify GEDCOM files so they can be
> uploaded to sites like Ancestry and TNG that don’t support Legacy’s shared
> events and now lose the events for all individuals except the one for whom
> the event was originally created?
>
>
>
> The partial GED file below shows that the changes are not complicated and
> could be made manually in a text editor – except for the fact that family
> files may have 100s or 1000s of shared events/individuals. Way too many to
> do by hand.
>
>
>
> ``
>
> 0 @I1@ INDI
>
> 1 NAME Peter /Piper/
>
> 2 GIVN Peter
>
> 2 SURN Piper
>
> 1 SEX M
>
> 1 CENS
>
> 2 DATE 1999
>
> 2 PLAC San Francisco, San Francisco, California, United States
>
> *1 CENS **[copied below]*
>
> *2 DATE 2000**   [copied below]*
>
> *2 PLAC San Francisco, San Francisco, California, United States **[copied
> below]*
>
> *2 _SHAR @I2@**[deleted]*
>
> *3 ROLE Household Member**[deleted]*
>
> 1 _UID A519BE2CF0BB421B99E9EB0ACD7F34EF961A
>
> 1 CHAN
>
> 2 DATE 17 Jul 2014
>
> 3 TIME 11:29
>
> 1 FAMS @F1@
>
> 0 @I2@ INDI
>
> 1 NAME Mary /Contrary/
>
> 2 GIVN Mary
>
> 2 SURN Contrary
>
> 1 SEX F
>
> 1 CENS
>
> 2 DATE 1999
>
> 2 PLAC San Francisco, San Francisco, California, United States
>
> *1 CENS **[inserted]*
>
> *2 DATE 2000   **[inserted]  *
>
> *2 PLAC San Francisco, San Francisco, California, United States *
> *[inserted]*
>
> *`*
>
>
>
> Thanks for your ideas.
>
>
>
> Don Quigley
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Re: [LegacyUG] Modify GED File to Remove Shared Events?

[Jay Wilpolt]

Don.

Try Using Notepad++  for editing your gedcom

Search for
2 _Shar
and select the "find all lines with this"

then repeat the process for the 3 _Role



Then at least you can see all the lines and I think you can even delete
them all at once.

Otherwise I would just go back to Legacy 7.5 and use that to keep in sync.




On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Don Quigley  wrote:

> Has anyone developed a simple way to modify GEDCOM files so they can be
> uploaded to sites like Ancestry and TNG that don’t support Legacy’s shared
> events and now lose the events for all individuals except the one for whom
> the event was originally created?
>
>
>
> The partial GED file below shows that the changes are not complicated and
> could be made manually in a text editor – except for the fact that family
> files may have 100s or 1000s of shared events/individuals. Way too many to
> do by hand.
>
>
>
> ``
>
> 0 @I1@ INDI
>
> 1 NAME Peter /Piper/
>
> 2 GIVN Peter
>
> 2 SURN Piper
>
> 1 SEX M
>
> 1 CENS
>
> 2 DATE 1999
>
> 2 PLAC San Francisco, San Francisco, California, United States
>
> *1 CENS **[copied below]*
>
> *2 DATE 2000**   [copied below]*
>
> *2 PLAC San Francisco, San Francisco, California, United States **[copied
> below]*
>
> *2 _SHAR @I2@**[deleted]*
>
> *3 ROLE Household Member**[deleted]*
>
> 1 _UID A519BE2CF0BB421B99E9EB0ACD7F34EF961A
>
> 1 CHAN
>
> 2 DATE 17 Jul 2014
>
> 3 TIME 11:29
>
> 1 FAMS @F1@
>
> 0 @I2@ INDI
>
> 1 NAME Mary /Contrary/
>
> 2 GIVN Mary
>
> 2 SURN Contrary
>
> 1 SEX F
>
> 1 CENS
>
> 2 DATE 1999
>
> 2 PLAC San Francisco, San Francisco, California, United States
>
> *1 CENS **[inserted]*
>
> *2 DATE 2000   **[inserted]  *
>
> *2 PLAC San Francisco, San Francisco, California, United States *
> *[inserted]*
>
> *`*
>
>
>
> Thanks for your ideas.
>
>
>
> Don Quigley
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Fallout from Location cleanup

[Jay Wilpolt]

You need to run a file check maint. to rebuild the index of persons at each
location, etc.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Jane Sarles  wrote:

> With your all's help, I got my Main Location List looking beautiful.
> The problem now seems to be that when I look at it and wish to see which
> persons use what locations, they are now mostly blank.  I have numerous
> locations with a blank for "People Using this Location."  What have I done?
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Running reports on extremely large files

[Jay Wilpolt]

Bob,

Try creating a gedcom and filter out any data you do not need for your
report.
Maybe just include the dates and locations, but filter out any events or
attached media or other items.
Then use that gedcom to create a new Legacy file, which hopefully will then
complete without a memory full error.



On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Robert McGarry 
wrote:

> I’m trying to get an enhanced name list report, from a family file
> containing 46,954 individuals, spread over 16,575 families.  I keep getting
> out of memory errors, before the report completes.
>
>
>
> I’m running Legacy 8.0.0.459, on Windows 8.1, on an Intel core i5 machine
> with 16g of main memory.
>
>
>
> I also have the latest build of Legacy 7.5 available, if that would work
> better.
>
>
>
> Note I converted this file via GEDCOM from a FTM file, when FTM 2014 was
> not up to this task.
>
>
>
> After I get this completed, I need to tackle a descendent report on a file
> containing >160k individuals.
>
>
>
> Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
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[LegacyUG] Finding spouses of related

[Jay Wilpolt]

Is there a way to find persons who are the spouse of a blood relative.?

I know the "Related" list will include them, but I need a listing of only
spouses of blood related persons.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Jay



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Re: [LegacyUG] Shared events on reports

[Jay Wilpolt]

Paula,
You say this was a problem before 
So, can you tell me how the program is supposed to 'understand' when an
event is supposed to be just for the individual and when its supposed to
'know' it's for the couple?
The way you mentioned, adding events to a marriage is a great way to show
that event was for both of them.
Now if you enter it as an individual event, and then lets say you add
another event that is not for the both of them, how should Legacy know
which one is just really an indiv event or which is for both?

and Chris,
Personally the way Legacy is designed (bef ver 8) is so flexible that I
continue to use events that way and will not try to use shared events.
I can get every imaginable way for events to print.

My only (continuing ) complaint is that I cannot get "Primary" event
pictures to print in the ansc/desc reports (burial pictures/tombstones).

I'm sure there are improvements that will be made by the programmers, it
will be interesting to see what happens.

Jay



On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Paula Ryburn 
wrote:

> I agree.  This was a problem before Legacy introduced the "shared events"
> feature.  I had been entering Census marriage events, so on an Individual
> report, it looks like they were not in any census while they were married,
> for example.  IMO, another "snazzy" feature not fully thought out, on top
> of not fully developed marriage events.  I mean, on the output side of
> things.  Input works & I'm sure the tables are fine. ;)
> --P
>
>   --
>  *From:* Chris Brady 
> *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2014 3:54 PM
> *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Shared events on reports
>
> Jay,
>
> I just find it odd, if you will, that even though it is a shared event
> under the marriage, electing to show shared events will not result in in
> showing on an individual’s report. Just because an event happened during a
> marriage – why would an individual’s report act as though the event never
> happened at all?
>
> Whereas if it were added to the husband as an event and then shared with
> the wife – it would show on the wife’ report if the option to show shared
> events was selected. It would always show on the husband’s individual
> report.
>
> The behavior is inconsistent. They are both events. In the first case,
> both the husband & wife are principals to an event. In the second case, the
> husband is the principal. Why would the wife’s individual report in the
> first case omit the event entirely?
>
> I don’t understand the distinction that because there are two principals
> to an event – that it is somehow not part of an individual’s history.
> During the course of a marriage, there are many activities that may be done
> as a couple – buying property, establishing residencies, etc.  It appears
> that I am perceiving the marriage events in Legacy incorrectly and they are
> not meant for that.
>
> Thanks for your insight Jay,
>
> Chris
>
>
> *From:* Jay Wilpolt [mailto:jaywilp...@aol.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2014 2:25 PM
> *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Shared events on reports
>
> Chris,
> I have been adding events to "marriages" even before 'shared events' came
> along in Ver 8.
> These work great for events where the couple is the focus, like a
> newspaper marriage or anniversary event. And they will show on reports (as
> events for that marriage) not under individual's because the event is added
> to only the marriage.
> You could duplicate it for each individual, but then it would most likely
> appear thee times on a report.
> Jay
>
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Chris Brady 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Paula,
>
> Brian had responded earlier with this:
>
> *“1. The Individual Report does not include Marriage Events whether these
> are for the person's marriage(s) or are shared from another couple so
> electing to include shared events will not include shared marriage events.*
>
> *2. Your assumption that sharing a marriage event means that it becomes a
> shared event for the persons in the couple is also incorrect. The husband
> and wife in a marriage are the principals for any events in their marriage
> not a person who is sharing. That is why the marriage event for the couple
> will only be included in an FGR for them and are not listed as shared event
> for the husband in FGRs for any other marriages.”*
>
> That seems to indicate that shared marriage events are basically second
> class events that do not have the same status as other events. I had
> intended to use them for events that both husband & wife shared durin

Re: [LegacyUG] Creating a mtDNA LIST of ancestors

[Jay Wilpolt]

Jessica,

You might want to contact Dennis at LTools and for ask what it would cost
to create a special report for you.
I have had several done over the years, many were well worth the $25 he
charged me. I dont know how complicated it would be to properly calculate
or how difficult it would be to program.

Just a thought as for me the thought of free-handing any report is
enough for me to avoid it altogether.

Jay




On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Jessica Morgan 
wrote:

> Correct, but I don't want a chart, I need a list in report format. UGH. I
> may just freehand it. I put in a suggestion for it. A haplogroup research
> manager wants this report, and it is a vital piece of a puzzle piece for me
> on my lineage work.
>
> *Jessica Morgan*
>
> *Sr Engineering Technologist, Black Stone Minerals*
> *Chair, SPE GCS Petro-Tech Study Group*
> 
> GedMatch kits: A064089 (SMK), A276959 (JRK), A608610 (TJ), A798429 (Jo),
> A817318 (JRKM), M399320 (JKM), M918651 (MM), several phasing kits as well
> FTDNA kits: B12555 (SMK), B12524 (JMM), B13031 (JKM), 368036 (CJ)
> Ancestry.com: jrkmorgan - all trees private
>
> Hometown Cotton Valley, Louisiana. Ratcliff/Lockey and Allen/Morgan
> decent. Researching Allen, Bandy, Basinger, Bethune, Beshea, Cruthirds,
> Kaylor, Lockey, Morgan, McGarity, Ratcliff, Striplin, Teague, Umphries,
> Urquhart, Wilkins - Current generations Louisiana, Arkansas areas;
> Migratory from Alabama, North Carolina
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Sherry/Support <
> she...@legacyfamilytree.com> wrote:
>
>> Ron has an excellent suggestion.
>>
>> You can include all that info in a List Report from the Search List.
>> However, the report will be in order based on the order of the Search
>> List - i.e., RIN, Given or Surname.
>>
>> You can create the report in CSV and open that in your spreadsheet
>> program to sort by relationship, but it wouldn't sort in Descendant
>> order.
>>
>> There is a lineage report in Legacy, but it's paternal only and
>> doesn't include all the info you want. The closest to what you want is
>> the female DNA chart in Legacy Charting.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Sherry
>> Technical Support
>> Legacy Family Tree
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Jessica Morgan 
>> wrote:
>> > Thank you. This will give me at least a list of the right people, but I
>> need
>> > an ordered Descendant report that shows the relationships to each other,
>> > birth, death, and marriage dates with spouse names.
>> >
>> > I suppose if I export the gedcom file of these tagged it will give me a
>> file
>> > to work with and create the report. I prefer to not export a gedcom and
>> do
>> > it that way though. This is a very complicated way to get a simple
>> report.
>> >
>> > Jessica
>> >
>> > Jessica Morgan
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Ron Ferguson <
>> ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Jessica,
>> >>
>> >> Please see http://www.fergys.co.uk/Blogs/Y-DNA_Search.php
>> >>
>> >> Although this was written and tested for Legacy V7.5, I see no reason
>> why
>> >> it will not work in V8.0. Select include siblings from the options.
>> >>
>> >> Ron Ferguson
>> >> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: Jessica Morgan
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 6:09 PM
>> >> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> >> Subject: [LegacyUG] Creating a mtDNA LIST of ancestors
>> >>
>> >> I need to create a list of people in my database ascending from my
>> >> daughter, that would carry the same mtDNA as she does. So the maternal
>> line
>> >> from my daughter, to me, to my mother, to her mother, etc. as far back
>> as I
>> >> can go.
>> >>
>> >> I need to include siblings that would carry this mtDNA, as well as
>> their
>> >> spouses.
>> >>
>> >> I want a list, such as a descendant report, NOT a chart. So using
>> Legacy
>> >> Charting is out. I've looked at the various report options, and tagging
>> >> mechanisms, and still can't get anything to output what I am looking
>> for.
>> >>
>> >> Can anyone offer any help?
>> >>
>> >> Jessica Morgan
>>
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Shared events on reports

[Jay Wilpolt]

Chris,

If you spend time to pick it apart logically and apply how all the
computations would happen to maintain the database, you would understand
better why it is the way it is.

Your scenario is not uncommon, but it cannot be logically programmed.

I am not good at explaining things (especially when having to type it out)
But maybe if  you think of the couple as a distinct point made up of 1/2
from M and 1/2 from F  (Or other types)
Without the second half present the event should NOT be connected to the
remaining half

A marriage record MUST always be 2 parts, even if you have only entered 1
name, a marriage needs two parts for the logic to happen.

Dont think of marriages as a shared event
A shared event is when two people are present at the same place
If one person is taken away the other person is still there and the event
still applies (just no longer shared)

Hope that helps

Jay



On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Chris Brady  wrote:

> Jay,
>
>
>
> I just find it odd, if you will, that even though it is a shared event
> under the marriage, electing to show shared events will not result in in
> showing on an individual’s report. Just because an event happened during a
> marriage – why would an individual’s report act as though the event never
> happened at all?
>
>
>
> Whereas if it were added to the husband as an event and then shared with
> the wife – it would show on the wife’ report if the option to show shared
> events was selected. It would always show on the husband’s individual
> report.
>
>
>
> The behavior is inconsistent. They are both events. In the first case,
> both the husband & wife are principals to an event. In the second case, the
> husband is the principal. Why would the wife’s individual report in the
> first case omit the event entirely?
>
>
>
> I don’t understand the distinction that because there are two principals
> to an event – that it is somehow not part of an individual’s history.
> During the course of a marriage, there are many activities that may be done
> as a couple – buying property, establishing residencies, etc.  It appears
> that I am perceiving the marriage events in Legacy incorrectly and they are
> not meant for that.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your insight Jay,
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Jay Wilpolt [mailto:jaywilp...@aol.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2014 2:25 PM
> *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Shared events on reports
>
>
>
> Chris,
>
> I have been adding events to "marriages" even before 'shared events' came
> along in Ver 8.
>
> These work great for events where the couple is the focus, like a
> newspaper marriage or anniversary event. And they will show on reports (as
> events for that marriage) not under individual's because the event is added
> to only the marriage.
>
> You could duplicate it for each individual, but then it would most likely
> appear thee times on a report.
>
> Jay
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Chris Brady 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Paula,
>
>
>
> Brian had responded earlier with this:
>
>
>
> *“1. The Individual Report does not include Marriage Events whether these
> are for the person's marriage(s) or are shared from another couple so
> electing to include shared events will not include shared marriage events.*
>
>
>
> *2. Your assumption that sharing a marriage event means that it becomes a
> shared event for the persons in the couple is also incorrect. The husband
> and wife in a marriage are the principals for any events in their marriage
> not a person who is sharing. That is why the marriage event for the couple
> will only be included in an FGR for them and are not listed as shared event
> for the husband in FGRs for any other marriages.”*
>
>
>
> That seems to indicate that shared marriage events are basically second
> class events that do not have the same status as other events. I had
> intended to use them for events that both husband & wife shared during the
> course of a marriage – ie, if both bought property together etc as that
> would help show the course of events during their lifetime. However, it
> really doesn’t work when none of those events will show on reports,
> especially if they had other spouses during their lifetime.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Paula Ryburn [mailto:paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:13 AM
> *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Shared events on reports
>
>
>
> Chris, I don't use the new shared events, but I'll venture a guess here.
> You have added a 

Re: [LegacyUG] Shared events on reports

[Jay Wilpolt]

Chris,

I have been adding events to "marriages" even before 'shared events' came
along in Ver 8.

These work great for events where the couple is the focus, like a newspaper
marriage or anniversary event. And they will show on reports (as events for
that marriage) not under individual's because the event is added to only
the marriage.
You could duplicate it for each individual, but then it would most likely
appear thee times on a report.

Jay


On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Chris Brady  wrote:

> Thanks Paula,
>
>
>
> Brian had responded earlier with this:
>
>
>
> *“1. The Individual Report does not include Marriage Events whether these
> are for the person's marriage(s) or are shared from another couple so
> electing to include shared events will not include shared marriage events.*
>
>
>
> *2. Your assumption that sharing a marriage event means that it becomes a
> shared event for the persons in the couple is also incorrect. The husband
> and wife in a marriage are the principals for any events in their marriage
> not a person who is sharing. That is why the marriage event for the couple
> will only be included in an FGR for them and are not listed as shared event
> for the husband in FGRs for any other marriages.”*
>
>
>
> That seems to indicate that shared marriage events are basically second
> class events that do not have the same status as other events. I had
> intended to use them for events that both husband & wife shared during the
> course of a marriage – ie, if both bought property together etc as that
> would help show the course of events during their lifetime. However, it
> really doesn’t work when none of those events will show on reports,
> especially if they had other spouses during their lifetime.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Paula Ryburn [mailto:paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:13 AM
> *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Shared events on reports
>
>
>
> Chris, I don't use the new shared events, but I'll venture a guess here.
> You have added a marriage event for this couple... sure, it's "shared" by
> these two, but I doubt anything has been added into the new tables/fields
> for shared events.  The fact that it shows up only for this couple supports
> it not being one of the new shared events.  If you didn't go through the
> new windows to enter roles, etc., then this is not really a shared event
> per the programming logic.  Just my guess.  --Paula
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Chris Brady 
> *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:11 PM
> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Shared events on reports
>
>
>
> Has anyone been using shared events created under the marriage tab?
>
>
>
> Using Build 439, I created a shared event under the marriage tab of a
> couple. By default, that would make it a shared event between those two
> people.
>
>
>
> The event will only print on a family group sheet for that exact couple
> (the husband has multiple marriages).  One of the report options – event
> options -  is “include events they shared from another person or marriage”.
>
>
>
> Regardless of whether that is checked or not – if I print a group sheet
> for the husband with a wife other than the one with whom I did the shared
> event – that event does not show up.  The event also does not show up when
> an Individual Report is printed on the husband – again, even when the
> “include events they shared from another person or marriage” is selected.
>
>
>
> I’ve played with every combination under Report Options – Event Options
> for both reports – and I cannot get the event to print. As it does print
> when that couple is the focus of a Family Group Sheet Report – it does not
> seem that it is the option selection which is the cause of the print
> problem.
>
>
>
> I’d appreciate any advice on what I’m doing wrong. I’d love to be able to
> use shared events at this level, but not if I can’t get them to print.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris Brady
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Long/Lat for stones

[Jay Wilpolt]

Mike there is nothing wrong with that, and I have done that for some.

But I was hoping there would be a way to save that data into "proper"
fields that could be used for mapping.

At the start of this of was asking how others handled it, in hopes that I
would be enlightened to a workaround that has the data in usable fields.

I will probably create my own extra "cemetery' tables
One just to assign a unique number to a particular Cemetery
And a second table that would list the Cemetery Number, The persons ID, and
the Long/Lat of burial
And hopefully someday I could just import that info into Legacy when they
have addressed the situation.


Thanks for taking the time to respond.

Jay



On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 1:20 AM, MikeFry  wrote:

> On 30 Oct 2014 01:27, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
>
> > I think the current  'logic' of the long/lat for Burial Place just isnt
> > taking into consideration the plotting of cemeteries. The stones are all
> > located at 1 "Location" address.
>
> Okay then. A single location that has multiple grave positions in it. How
> else
> would you record the information? Probably by Individual. But that doesn't
> help (in
> the UK in particular) with multiple individuals in a single grave.
>
> What's wrong with recording the Cemetery in the Burial Location and the
> details
> about the actual grave in the Burial Notes?
>
> --
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> Mike Fry (Jhb)
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Find Duplicates Not opposite sex

[Jay Wilpolt]

Brian,   Nevermind.  I had all three boxes checked,

Comparable gender, Ancestral File Number and UserID

When I only have the one Compatible gender checked it works...

Might be a good enhancement to add some verbiage there so people
understand.

Thanks

Jay



On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Jay Wilpolt  wrote:

> Brian,
>
> I just tried the same file in Legacy 8 and I do NOT get the "Compatible
> Gender" checkbox to respond either way.
>
> You mentioned your try showed the boxes did not stay repositioned. Are you
> reporting that as a bug or should I ?
>
> If you like I can send you the gedcom for testing.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
>
> Jay
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Brian/Support  > wrote:
>
>> The compatible Gender does seem to be working in Legacy 8 but I have
>> only done limited testing. Since Legacy 7 is now replaced by Legacy 8
>> there will be no further fixes issued for that software.
>>
>> You can re-position screens and they should remember where they last
>> opened. I just did a test and the two pop up screens for parents and
>> confirming the not duplicates did not follow that rule.
>>
>> Brian
>> Customer Support
>> Millennia Corporation
>> br...@legacyfamilytree.com
>> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
>>
>> On 28/10/2014 5:43 PM, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
>> > Cathy,
>> >
>> > Yes, I have tried with the Compatible Gender checked and unchecked and
>> in
>> > BOTH cases the results ALWAYS are asking me to compare M vs F
>> > I am using Legacy 7.5 build 7.5.0.278
>> >
>> > I can do with the SKIP on the parents, but the programmers should allow
>> the
>> > pop up window box to be moved so that I can position my curser in one
>> spot
>> > and not have to move it all over the screen.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Cathy Pinner 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Jay,
>> >> Take a look at the Merge Options.
>> >> See Compatible Gender?   Are you saying this isn't working?
>> >>
>> >> I don't think there is a way to stop parent-child suggestions. However,
>> >> when you find them, mark them as "not duplicates" and they'll never
>> come up
>> >> again unless you clear your not duplicates list.
>> >>
>> >> Cathy
>> >>
>> >> Jay Wilpolt wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> When I go to Find Duplicates, How can I have the search results to
>> >> consider SEX and not to keep asking me if I want to review these two
>> >> because they are opposite sex?
>> >>
>> >> And the same for parent/child, I dont want those to be included when
>> >> searching for possible duplicates.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks in advance for any help
>> >>
>> >> Jay
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Long/Lat for stones

[Jay Wilpolt]

Jenny,

I just dont think that I want to create a different address for every
headstone.
I have a rather large database and currently have over 11,000 stones.

I think the current  'logic' of the long/lat for Burial Place just isnt
taking into consideration the plotting of cemeteries.
The stones are all located at 1 "Location" address.

Had just been hoping that someone figured out a reasonable work around.
Kinda surprising to find no one has.

Thanks,

Jay




On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Jenny M Benson 
wrote:

> On 27/10/2014 17:57, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
> > How can I add in the Long/Lat for several stones within the same
> > Cemetery without creating a separate "address" card for each one?
> >
> > Under Burial Address If I enter the first one as Cemetery Name, City,
> > State and then in the Long/Lat enter a specific set of Long/Lat
> >
> > Then when I come to add another stone at that same cemetery, it
> > overwrites the first entry (long/Lat Coordinates) ?
> >
> What's wrong with having a separate entry in Burial Address for each
> grave?  Surely, the whole purpose of having Address fields, in addition
> to Location fields, is to allow one to enter exact locations, be they
> street addresses or grave sites in a cemetery?
>
> Personally, I have no scruples about entering the entire address in the
> Location field (Grave 123, XYX Cemetery, Town, County, Country) and
> enter the Lat/Long if I know it, but I know there are purists throwing
> up their hands in horror.
>
> I began by using Location and Address "correctly" but couldn't see a
> reasonable away of getting decent wording in a report:  "She was born in
> Birkenhead Cheshire, England (Nursing Home, Devonshire Place,
> Birkenhead, Cheshire, England" is clumsy and unnecessarily repetitive
>
>
> --
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>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Find Duplicates Not opposite sex

[Jay Wilpolt]

Brian,

I just tried the same file in Legacy 8 and I do NOT get the "Compatible
Gender" checkbox to respond either way.

You mentioned your try showed the boxes did not stay repositioned. Are you
reporting that as a bug or should I ?

If you like I can send you the gedcom for testing.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

Jay

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Brian/Support 
wrote:

> The compatible Gender does seem to be working in Legacy 8 but I have
> only done limited testing. Since Legacy 7 is now replaced by Legacy 8
> there will be no further fixes issued for that software.
>
> You can re-position screens and they should remember where they last
> opened. I just did a test and the two pop up screens for parents and
> confirming the not duplicates did not follow that rule.
>
> Brian
> Customer Support
> Millennia Corporation
> br...@legacyfamilytree.com
> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
>
> On 28/10/2014 5:43 PM, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
> > Cathy,
> >
> > Yes, I have tried with the Compatible Gender checked and unchecked and in
> > BOTH cases the results ALWAYS are asking me to compare M vs F
> > I am using Legacy 7.5 build 7.5.0.278
> >
> > I can do with the SKIP on the parents, but the programmers should allow
> the
> > pop up window box to be moved so that I can position my curser in one
> spot
> > and not have to move it all over the screen.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Cathy Pinner 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Jay,
> >> Take a look at the Merge Options.
> >> See Compatible Gender?   Are you saying this isn't working?
> >>
> >> I don't think there is a way to stop parent-child suggestions. However,
> >> when you find them, mark them as "not duplicates" and they'll never
> come up
> >> again unless you clear your not duplicates list.
> >>
> >> Cathy
> >>
> >> Jay Wilpolt wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> When I go to Find Duplicates, How can I have the search results to
> >> consider SEX and not to keep asking me if I want to review these two
> >> because they are opposite sex?
> >>
> >> And the same for parent/child, I dont want those to be included when
> >> searching for possible duplicates.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for any help
> >>
> >> Jay
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Long/Lat for stones

[Jay Wilpolt]

Paula,

I want to have them in their own fields so that eventually they can be used
to precisely locate the stone.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

Jay

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Paula Ryburn 
wrote:

> Burial Notes?  That's where I would put things like section, row & plot
> #... GPS is just more precision.
> --P
>
>   --
>  *From:* Bruce Jones 
> *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2014 2:58 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Long/Lat for stones
>
> I only see two options:
> Put the Lat/Long in a field other than the Location (description, notes)
> If you want it in the Location field, then I think you need to create
> multiple locations for that cemetery.
> Here are examples of locations in my database.
>
> Salt Lake City-Cemetery (I.12.10), Salt Lake, Utah, USA
> Salt Lake City-Cemetery (J.19.6), Salt Lake, Utah, USA
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Jay Wilpolt  wrote:
>
> How can I add in the Long/Lat for several stones within the same Cemetery
> without creating a separate "address" card for each one?
>
> Under Burial Address
> If I enter the first one as
> Cemetery Name, City, State
> and then in the Long/Lat enter a specific set of Long/Lat
>
> Then when I come to add another stone at that same cemetery,
> it overwrites the first entry (long/Lat Coordinates) ?
>
> Just wondered how others were handling this.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
> Jay
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Re: [LegacyUG] Find Duplicates Not opposite sex

[Jay Wilpolt]

Cathy,

Yes, I have tried with the Compatible Gender checked and unchecked and in
BOTH cases the results ALWAYS are asking me to compare M vs F
I am using Legacy 7.5 build 7.5.0.278

I can do with the SKIP on the parents, but the programmers should allow the
pop up window box to be moved so that I can position my curser in one spot
and not have to move it all over the screen.



On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Cathy Pinner  wrote:

> Hi Jay,
> Take a look at the Merge Options.
> See Compatible Gender?   Are you saying this isn't working?
>
> I don't think there is a way to stop parent-child suggestions. However,
> when you find them, mark them as "not duplicates" and they'll never come up
> again unless you clear your not duplicates list.
>
> Cathy
>
> Jay Wilpolt wrote:
>
>
> When I go to Find Duplicates, How can I have the search results to
> consider SEX and not to keep asking me if I want to review these two
> because they are opposite sex?
>
> And the same for parent/child, I dont want those to be included when
> searching for possible duplicates.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help
>
> Jay
>
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[LegacyUG] Find Duplicates Not opposite sex

[Jay Wilpolt]

When I go to Find Duplicates, How can I have the search results to consider
SEX and not to keep asking me if I want to review these two because they
are opposite sex?

And the same for parent/child, I dont want those to be included when
searching for possible duplicates.

Thanks in advance for any help

Jay



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[LegacyUG] Long/Lat for stones

[Jay Wilpolt]

How can I add in the Long/Lat for several stones within the same Cemetery
without creating a separate "address" card for each one?

Under Burial Address
If I enter the first one as
Cemetery Name, City, State
and then in the Long/Lat enter a specific set of Long/Lat

Then when I come to add another stone at that same cemetery,
it overwrites the first entry (long/Lat Coordinates) ?

Just wondered how others were handling this.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Jay
1familytree.com



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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

[Jay Wilpolt]

You need to make sure you have the correct event sentence set up for the
correct fields that exist.

Check the Master Event definition list and make sure that the [date] is
properly formatted and included in the variable options.



On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:30 PM,  wrote:

>   using Legacy 8 latest build
>
>  Hi, I was entering some events today when I noticed that Event Sentences
> were leaving out the dates even when the Event Sentence Definition includes
> dates. For example: The Event Sentence Description reads [firstname] [desc]
> [onDate] for “David was in school on 7 Jun 1900.”  The sentence I get is
> “David was in school on.” Sentences before today are ok. I’ve been using
> Legacy for about 8 years now and have never seen this happen.  Any ideas?
>
>  Thanks, Elsie
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Re: [LegacyUG] Showing Event Photos on Webpages

[Jay Wilpolt]

Cathy,

It's not Legacy you need to worry about when there are spaces or mixed case
in filenames.

The problem is that OTHER systems, web browsers etc, those spaces or other
symbols may not be read properly, causing either an error or bad location
target.





On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Cathy Pinner  wrote:

> Note if you use any of these filename changers, you'll have to reattach
> your media to Legacy if it's more than a change to all lowercase.
>
> Also note that with Legacy you don't have to worry if you have a case mix
> in filenames or spaces if you are using the Legacy webpage generator as
> spaces are automatically changed to underscore and there is an option to
> change to all lowercase. Legacy also saves you from yourself by offering to
> ensure unique filenames if you have the bad habit of naming different
> photos stored in different folders with the same name.
>
> Cathy
>
> Tom Momeyer wrote:
>
>
> Hi,  another software that does bulk changes to filenames, is Bulk Rename
> Utility.  I've used it in work and at home many times for similar uses.  It
> has a fairly complex user interface, so I recommend practicing on a few
> file copies in ano ther location.
>
> Tom M.
>
> J.M. "Jay" Ingalls wrote:
>
>
> Larry,
>
> Have never needed to do it, but I think I saw software in the past
> that would change the title case from upper to lower for everything in
> a folder. Someone else may know if software like that is available.
>
> Jay Ingalls
> 
> On 9/30/2014 6:49 PM, LDB Misc wrote:
>
>
> I do have uppercase and spaces in my filenames for photos... that would be
> a major pain to have to rename all the photo files. I should have noted
> that I just upgraded from Legacy 4 deluxe to Legacy 8 deluxe and didn't
> have this problem with Legacy 4.
>
> -Larry
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Showing Event Photos on Webpages

[Jay Wilpolt]

I use a batch file renamer

Its free and easy to use

http://www.ronsplace.eu/

You could point to the folder where your files are located , do a replace
(space) with (underscore)  and with one click it will change all the file
names.
It can also make changes to 'un- capitalize" your filenames.

Hope that helps

Jay




On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:30 AM, J.M. "Jay" Ingalls <
jay_inga...@pipeline.com> wrote:

> Larry,
>
> Have never needed to do it, but I think I saw software in the past that
> would change the title case from upper to lower for everything in a
> folder. Someone else may know if software like that is available.
>
> Jay Ingalls
> 
> On 9/30/2014 6:49 PM, LDB Misc wrote:
> > I do have uppercase and spaces in my filenames for photos... that would
> be a major pain to have to rename all the photo files. I should have noted
> that I just upgraded from Legacy 4 deluxe to Legacy 8 deluxe and didn't
> have this problem with Legacy 4.
> >
> > -Larry
> > 
> > On Mon, 9/29/14, Brett McL Robinson  wrote:
> >
> >   Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Showing Event Photos on Webpages
> >   To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> >   Date: Monday, September 29, 2014, 7:14 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   Hi Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >   There can be problems with images not showing on web
> >   pages if
> >   upper case is used in the file names for the images.
> >   As a
> >   general rule it is recommended to use only lower
> >   case file names
> >   to be loaded onto websites. However this is not
> >   necessarily a
> >   problem - in your case the files not showing up on
> >   your PC
> >   implies that (unless you are using Unix) it may not
> >   be the
> >   cause. Probably worth checking though. Also
> >   as a general
> >   rule it is recommended
> >   to avoid using spaces and special characters in file
> >   names.
> >
> >
> >
> >   Have you refreshed your view of the web page to see
> >   that your
> >   are using the latest files (not the cache)?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers, Brett
> >
> >   B McL Robinson
> >   Hamilton, New Zealand
> > On 30/09/2014 1:20 p.m., singhals wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > For whatever it may be worth in a seller's
> >   market -- I've
> >   had this same non-appearing image problem off and on in
> >   other applications too.  It is as annoying as all get-out,
> >   when the img src call is (a) correct and (b) identical but
> >   only one of three .jpg images shows!
> >
> >   Cheryl
> >
> >   LDB Misc wrote:
> >
> >
> >   The web pages are on a server and yes, I've
> >   uploaded the photos too. But when I create webpages, it
> >   gives you a chance to preview them on your hard drive and
> >   that's when I can tell the photos aren't displaying
> >   (they don't display on the server either).
> >
> >   thanks,
> >   Larry
> >   
> >   On Mon, 9/29/14, Wendy Howard
> >wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Showing Event Photos on Webpages
> > To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > Date: Monday, September 29, 2014, 12:09 AM
> >
> > Where are these web pages? Are they
> > on your hard drive, or have you
> > uploaded them to a server to view online? If the latter,
> >   did
> > you also
> > upload the photo files?
> >
> > Wendy
> >
> > LDB Misc said the following on 29/09/2014 15:40:
> > >  Mary,
> > >
> > >  Thanks for the instructions. I do have the Add Event
> > Pictures ticked and they only show on the Pedigree type
> >   web
> > page. I prefer the Individual type web page and they
> >   aren't
> > showing up.
> > >
> > >  -Larry
> > >  
> > >  On Sun, 9/28/14, Mary Young
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Showing Event
> > Photos on Webpages
> > >To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > >Date: Sunday, September 28, 2014, 1:52
> > PM
> > >
> > >Hi Larry
> > >
> > >To show Event Photos on web pages:
> > >(1) On the ribbon, select
> > "Internet"
> > >(2) Choose the type of Web Pages e.g."
> > Pedigree Style", this
> > >opens the
> > >(3) Web Creation dialog box
> > >(4) Select Tab "What"
> > >(5) in 2nd column, under Events,
> > select large button "Event
> > >Options"
> > >(6) Tick "Add Event Pictures"
> > >
> > >Hope this helps
> > >Mary
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On 27/09/2014, LDB Misc
> > >wrote:
> > >>  I'm using Legacy 8.0 Family Tree
> > Deluxe Edition, and am
> > >producing web pages
> > >>  from it. The problem is, I can't
> > get the Event Photos
> > >to show on the web
> > >>  pages. Help!?!