Re: [LegacyUG] Sentence Structure for Multiple events of the same type at the same time

[Kathy Thompson]

I have done and will be putting multiple death notices together in one
event, even when they are spread over the space of a week or more (they all
relate to one single event and nothing more)
it's when I have ongoing reports of an ongoing event in a person's life
that is no doubt impacting their life and their family's life at that time,
that I want to put in the multiple events for each newspaper report.
It helps me to realise just how much of an impact this event must have had
on the person, the family, and the community as well.


On 1 September 2013 03:16, Lavern Hall  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> A few of my relatives fall into this category. They have two or three
> death notices and perhaps a full obituary. I've entered those as Events and
> put the name of the newspaper in the description field and where the
> newspaper is published in the Location field. That reads nicely.
>
> As I view it, death notices provide information in a different format than
> obituaries do. One is primarily facts where the obits embellish the
> information, often in story format. In Legacy, you always have options as
> to how your final output will appear. If the Death Notices, for
> example, all provide the same information with the difference being they
> are from different newspapers, then I might have one or two
> up and follow with a notation that for additional death notices,
> see(wherever you decide to put them.)  I followed that format for a
> book I did, and placed the other death notices in an appendix called
> "Research." If you are including original articles, you could give the file
> a name that suits your purposes.
>
>  You have flexibility when you download your file for editing (RFT). I
> agree, I wouldn't want to read the same thing over and over again and would
> find it not only redundant, but boring.
> If the person's local newspaper published the death notice, that would
> have relavance over a tiny blurb, say in the college newspaper.
>  A combination of the local newspaper (providing the facts) and perhaps a
> nice Obit would make for interesting reading.
>
> IF you want to lump death notices together, (providing they all say the
> same thing), you could probably do so by saying something like, "The
> following death notice for [name of deceased] appeared in [name of
> newspapers and dates published.] This wouldn't be my choice, but it does
> work.
>
> I've been in the practice of transcribing docs (thanks to Geoff's
> webinars), so I'd do that for the articles with poor visual quality. And
> then when it comes time for your final output (book, etc.) include the
> original document someplace?
>
> Just some thoughts...hope they help.
>
> Lavern Hall
> ...
>
> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 5:25 AM, Kathy Thompson wrote:
>
>>  Multiple events would seem logical yes, ok, hadn't thought of that.
>>
>> How can having newspaper names in the location field cause
>> complications?. I would appreiate more guidance on that before I get too
>> many newspaper bits in - and I am aware of at least 150 that I want to
>> include for at least a dozen people, so it's not going to be a "minor"
>> event.
>> Yes, the actual article will be being included/attached, but I'm aware
>> that a number of the articles I'll be including are of poor visual quality,
>> and not all of my family are going to want to read the whole article, but a
>> few sentences might pique their interest.
>>
>>
>> On 31 August 2013 16:37, Tony Rolfe  wrote:
>>
>>> The obvious solution would be to have multiple events.  "Newspaper
>>> Article 1", whose event sentence reads as your first example. "Newspaper
>>> Article 2" whose sentence starts "Another article" and "Newspaper
>>> Article 3" whose sentence begins "An article also".
>>>
>>> You could then mix and match them as needed, and even add more if you
>>> wanted later.
>>>
>>> I'm a bit worried about using a newspaper name in the location field.
>>> That would make all sorts of complications with the master Location
>>> List.  I have put the name of the newspaper into the description and the
>>> location of the event in the location field.  I use the notes field for
>>> the article title and a summary of the article.  The actual article is
>>> converted into a jpeg and attached in the usual way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sentence Structure for Multiple events of the same type at the same time

[Paula Ryburn]

Kathy, Thanks for that explanation.  I don't think I've run into anything in my 
family research that would warrant that, but I will surely keep this in mind.
 
--Paula in Texas
Researching:  Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman 
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field 
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle 
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche 
Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams



 From: Kathy Thompson 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sentence Structure for Multiple events of the same type 
at the same time



The other thing about putting each newspaper mention in as it's own event is 
that it is a reflection on what was occurring in the person's life at a 
particular point in time, and lumping them all together into one event (to my 
mind) diminishes the significance of the event and the impact it may have had 
in the ongoing life of the individual and their family.




On 1 September 2013 13:58, Kathy Thompson  wrote:

The kind of things I am wanting to put in a "Newspaper Article" event include 
(but are not limited to)
>
>
>Reports relating to Court cases and Police activities (on both sides of the 
>law)
>Reports relating to Coronial Inquests (either as victim or witness)
>Sporting or Academic related mentions
>Performance articles (musical or theatre)
>Competition entries
>Letters to the Editor
>Advertisements 
>
>
>Newspaper entries such as Birth, Marriage, Death, & Funeral Notices and 
>Obituaries are put with the appropriate standard event and do not get included 
>as a custom Newspaper Article event.
>
>
>Take the Sporting and Academic mentions, in Australia, it was common for most 
>school results to be reported in the newspapers, as well as results of 
>scholarship applications. These were not just limited to College aged 
>students, but also to primary and secondary students, especially when it came 
>to sporting achievements, although typically only 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place are 
>mentioned at the lower levels. Exams appear to always have all final results 
>and names printed though. I wouldn't want to put the lower level academic 
>results with the higher level results.
>
>
>As for advertisements, I have a number of business owners who advertised in 
>different ways at different times and I would prefer to keep them all separate.
>
>
>Also, since I have the image of each article, I'm wanting to attach that to 
>each entry so that I don't get confused down the track and it is clear which 
>article goes with which reference.
>I really don't want to get things mixed up, but I do want the story to read 
>nicely.
>
>
>Kathy
>
>On 01/09/2013, at 1:29 PM, Paula Ryburn  wrote:
>
>
>Hi, I know I'm coming late to this discussion, but I'm thinking I would have a 
>fact/event in the database for the actual event (say, engagement party), and 
>then cite the newspaper as the source for that information (with a scan of it 
>attached to the citation).  If the article itself is worth quoting, I would 
>transcribe it into the Notes for the event.  All or maybe just part of it.  I 
>just love how they used to write newspaper articles, so I'm likely to do that.
>>
>>
>>Another "event" that might be reported in the newspaper is a death.  I know 
>>many people add an "Obituary" event, but I haven't done that; rather, citing 
>>the obituary as a source for the death information... or whatever other 
>>information I can glean from the obit, for whoever (not necessarily the 
>>deceased).  I would scan the obit and attach it to the source.  Again, if the 
>>obit is flowery, I might quote it... maybe like a description of her charity 
>>activities, in an event called "Community Service" or something.  Hmm... 
>>
>>
>>Am I missing something in this thread?  Can you give an example of the sort 
>>of event you're talking about?  I seem to not be talking about sentence 
>>structures at all!
>>Again, I apologize if I missed it earlier.
>>Thanks,
>> 
>>--Paula in Texas
>>Researching:  Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman 
>>Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field 
>>Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes 
>>Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts 
>>Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer
 Sullivan Weller Williams
>>
>>
>>
>>___

Re: [LegacyUG] Sentence Structure for Multiple events of the same type at the same time

[Kathy Thompson]

The other thing about putting each newspaper mention in as it's own event
is that it is a reflection on what was occurring in the person's life at a
particular point in time, and lumping them all together into one event (to
my mind) diminishes the significance of the event and the impact it may
have had in the ongoing life of the individual and their family.


On 1 September 2013 13:58, Kathy Thompson  wrote:

> The kind of things I am wanting to put in a "Newspaper Article" event
> include (but are not limited to)
>
> Reports relating to Court cases and Police activities (on both sides of
> the law)
> Reports relating to Coronial Inquests (either as victim or witness)
> Sporting or Academic related mentions
> Performance articles (musical or theatre)
> Competition entries
> Letters to the Editor
> Advertisements
>
> Newspaper entries such as Birth, Marriage, Death, & Funeral Notices and
> Obituaries are put with the appropriate standard event and do not get
> included as a custom Newspaper Article event.
>
> Take the Sporting and Academic mentions, in Australia, it was common for
> most school results to be reported in the newspapers, as well as results of
> scholarship applications. These were not just limited to College aged
> students, but also to primary and secondary students, especially when it
> came to sporting achievements, although typically only 1st, 2nd, and 3rd
> place are mentioned at the lower levels. Exams appear to always have all
> final results and names printed though. I wouldn't want to put the lower
> level academic results with the higher level results.
>
> As for advertisements, I have a number of business owners who advertised
> in different ways at different times and I would prefer to keep them all
> separate.
>
> Also, since I have the image of each article, I'm wanting to attach that
> to each entry so that I don't get confused down the track and it is clear
> which article goes with which reference.
> I really don't want to get things mixed up, but I do want the story to
> read nicely.
>
> Kathy
>
> On 01/09/2013, at 1:29 PM, Paula Ryburn 
> wrote:
>
> Hi, I know I'm coming late to this discussion, but I'm thinking I would
> have a fact/event in the database for the actual event (say, engagement
> party), and then cite the newspaper as the source for that information
> (with a scan of it attached to the citation).  If the article itself is
> worth quoting, I would transcribe it into the Notes for the event.  All or
> maybe just part of it.  I just love how they used to write newspaper
> articles, so I'm likely to do that.
>
> Another "event" that might be reported in the newspaper is a death.  I
> know many people add an "Obituary" event, but I haven't done that; rather,
> citing the obituary as a source for the death information... or whatever
> other information I can glean from the obit, for whoever (not necessarily
> the deceased).  I would scan the obit and attach it to the source.  Again,
> if the obit is flowery, I might quote it... maybe like a description of her
> charity activities, in an event called "Community Service" or something.
>  Hmm...
>
> Am I missing something in this thread?  Can you give an example of the
> sort of event you're talking about?  I seem to not be talking about
> sentence structures at all!
> Again, I apologize if I missed it earlier.
> Thanks,
>
> --Paula in Texas
> Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton
> Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis
> Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind
> Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters
> Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams
>
>   --
>  *From:* Kathy Thompson 
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 31, 2013 7:06 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Sentence Structure for Multiple events of the
> same type at the same time
>
> I think I'm glad I've only done about a dozen newspaper article events in
> this way so far - I think I'm going to have to think about what may be
> better.
> I'm not actually concerned about needing/wanting two dates for newspaper
> events as I've found that the event happens on one day and can be entered
> as an event by itself, and the newspaper reports can follow over the next
> days, weeks or even months (depending on the type of event and the need for
> ongoing reporting)
> Since I want to record the newspaper specific event, and they can happen
> in vastly different places, 

Re: [LegacyUG] Sentence Structure for Multiple events of the same type at the same time

[Kathy Thompson]

The kind of things I am wanting to put in a "Newspaper Article" event include 
(but are not limited to)

Reports relating to Court cases and Police activities (on both sides of the law)
Reports relating to Coronial Inquests (either as victim or witness)
Sporting or Academic related mentions
Performance articles (musical or theatre)
Competition entries
Letters to the Editor
Advertisements

Newspaper entries such as Birth, Marriage, Death, & Funeral Notices and 
Obituaries are put with the appropriate standard event and do not get included 
as a custom Newspaper Article event.

Take the Sporting and Academic mentions, in Australia, it was common for most 
school results to be reported in the newspapers, as well as results of 
scholarship applications. These were not just limited to College aged students, 
but also to primary and secondary students, especially when it came to sporting 
achievements, although typically only 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place are mentioned at 
the lower levels. Exams appear to always have all final results and names 
printed though. I wouldn't want to put the lower level academic results with 
the higher level results.

As for advertisements, I have a number of business owners who advertised in 
different ways at different times and I would prefer to keep them all separate.

Also, since I have the image of each article, I'm wanting to attach that to 
each entry so that I don't get confused down the track and it is clear which 
article goes with which reference.
I really don't want to get things mixed up, but I do want the story to read 
nicely.

Kathy

On 01/09/2013, at 1:29 PM, Paula Ryburn  wrote:

> Hi, I know I'm coming late to this discussion, but I'm thinking I would have 
> a fact/event in the database for the actual event (say, engagement party), 
> and then cite the newspaper as the source for that information (with a scan 
> of it attached to the citation).  If the article itself is worth quoting, I 
> would transcribe it into the Notes for the event.  All or maybe just part of 
> it.  I just love how they used to write newspaper articles, so I'm likely to 
> do that.
>
> Another "event" that might be reported in the newspaper is a death.  I know 
> many people add an "Obituary" event, but I haven't done that; rather, citing 
> the obituary as a source for the death information... or whatever other 
> information I can glean from the obit, for whoever (not necessarily the 
> deceased).  I would scan the obit and attach it to the source.  Again, if the 
> obit is flowery, I might quote it... maybe like a description of her charity 
> activities, in an event called "Community Service" or something.  Hmm...
>
> Am I missing something in this thread?  Can you give an example of the sort 
> of event you're talking about?  I seem to not be talking about sentence 
> structures at all!
> Again, I apologize if I missed it earlier.
> Thanks,
>
> --Paula in Texas
> Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman 
> Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field 
> Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes 
> Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts 
> Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams
>
> From: Kathy Thompson 
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 7:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sentence Structure for Multiple events of the same 
> type at the same time
>
> I think I'm glad I've only done about a dozen newspaper article events in 
> this way so far - I think I'm going to have to think about what may be better.
> I'm not actually concerned about needing/wanting two dates for newspaper 
> events as I've found that the event happens on one day and can be entered as 
> an event by itself, and the newspaper reports can follow over the next days, 
> weeks or even months (depending on the type of event and the need for ongoing 
> reporting)
> Since I want to record the newspaper specific event, and they can happen in 
> vastly different places, I need to have them separate from each other, 
> especially when one report will give one bit of info, but another report may 
> give something else.
> Putting each newspaper in just as a source will mean (in my mind) that the 
> event was insignificant in some way, and knowing my potential audience the 
> way I do, they aren't going to look at the sources to then find out that it 
> was actually something that was quite significant and made nationwide news.
> I do need to put the newspapers in as events.
>
> But yes, I would love to have concatenatable sentences - they can do it with 
> the source

Re: [LegacyUG] Sentence Structure for Multiple events of the same type at the same time

[Paula Ryburn]

Hi, I know I'm coming late to this discussion, but I'm thinking I would have a 
fact/event in the database for the actual event (say, engagement party), and 
then cite the newspaper as the source for that information (with a scan of it 
attached to the citation).  If the article itself is worth quoting, I would 
transcribe it into the Notes for the event.  All or maybe just part of it.  I 
just love how they used to write newspaper articles, so I'm likely to do that.

Another "event" that might be reported in the newspaper is a death.  I know 
many people add an "Obituary" event, but I haven't done that; rather, citing 
the obituary as a source for the death information... or whatever other 
information I can glean from the obit, for whoever (not necessarily the 
deceased).  I would scan the obit and attach it to the source.  Again, if the 
obit is flowery, I might quote it... maybe like a description of her charity 
activities, in an event called "Community Service" or something.  Hmm... 

Am I missing something in this thread?  Can you give an example of the sort of 
event you're talking about?  I seem to not be talking about sentence structures 
at all!
Again, I apologize if I missed it earlier.
Thanks,
 
--Paula in Texas
Researching:  Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman 
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field 
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle 
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche 
Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams



 From: Kathy Thompson 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sentence Structure for Multiple events of the same type 
at the same time



I think I'm glad I've only done about a dozen newspaper article events in this 
way so far - I think I'm going to have to think about what may be better.
I'm not actually concerned about needing/wanting two dates for newspaper events 
as I've found that the event happens on one day and can be entered as an event 
by itself, and the newspaper reports can follow over the next days, weeks or 
even months (depending on the type of event and the need for ongoing reporting)
Since I want to record the newspaper specific event, and they can happen in 
vastly different places, I need to have them separate from each other, 
especially when one report will give one bit of info, but another report may 
give something else.
Putting each newspaper in just as a source will mean (in my mind) that the 
event was insignificant in some way, and knowing my potential audience the way 
I do, they aren't going to look at the sources to then find out that it was 
actually something that was quite significant and made nationwide news.
I do need to put the newspapers in as events.

But yes, I would love to have concatenatable sentences - they can do it with 
the sources, so why not with the event sentences?



Cheers,
Kathy





On 1 September 2013 09:55, Tony Rolfe  wrote:

I'm sure Sherry or Brian will be able to give you a much more detailed
>explanation, but I believe that the location field should be for
>locations.  I did put all sort of stuff into random fields in my early
>days, but found that it made things harder rather than easier.
>Untangling it was a pain.
>
>If you put the newspaper name in the description, it will often include
>a location by default (New York Times or Sydney Morning Herald) and if
>it doesn't, I just add a bit in brackets  - Daily Express (London) or
>The Times (London).   You can then use the location for the place the
>event happened.  e.g.  [Ondate] [Desc] reported that [HeShe] had been
>killed in an industrial accident at [Place]. [Notes][Sources]
>
>Another approach would be to have a single event describing what
>happened and put each newspaper article as a separate source.
>
>There is a problem with newspaper reports in that you need two dates for
>the event sentence.  One when the event happened and one when the
>article appeared.  I have put in a request for a new way to create event
>sentences but I'm not holding my breath.
>
>I also put in a request for concatenatable events, so that two or more
>events appear in one paragraph, instead of on separate lines.  I'm not
>holding my breath for that one either.
>
>Anyway, that's my two bob's worth.
>
>Maybe someone can give a more technical explanation of the use of
>Locations.  Or maybe I'm too pedantic.
>
>Cheers
>
>Tony
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sentence Structure for Multiple events of the same type at the same time

[Kathy Thompson]

I think I'm glad I've only done about a dozen newspaper article events in
this way so far - I think I'm going to have to think about what may be
better.
I'm not actually concerned about needing/wanting two dates for newspaper
events as I've found that the event happens on one day and can be entered
as an event by itself, and the newspaper reports can follow over the next
days, weeks or even months (depending on the type of event and the need for
ongoing reporting)
Since I want to record the newspaper specific event, and they can happen in
vastly different places, I need to have them separate from each other,
especially when one report will give one bit of info, but another report
may give something else.
Putting each newspaper in just as a source will mean (in my mind) that the
event was insignificant in some way, and knowing my potential audience the
way I do, they aren't going to look at the sources to then find out that it
was actually something that was quite significant and made nationwide news.
I do need to put the newspapers in as events.

But yes, I would love to have concatenatable sentences - they can do it
with the sources, so why not with the event sentences?

Cheers,
Kathy



On 1 September 2013 09:55, Tony Rolfe  wrote:

> I'm sure Sherry or Brian will be able to give you a much more detailed
> explanation, but I believe that the location field should be for
> locations.  I did put all sort of stuff into random fields in my early
> days, but found that it made things harder rather than easier.
> Untangling it was a pain.
>
> If you put the newspaper name in the description, it will often include
> a location by default (New York Times or Sydney Morning Herald) and if
> it doesn't, I just add a bit in brackets  - Daily Express (London) or
> The Times (London).   You can then use the location for the place the
> event happened.  e.g.  [Ondate] [Desc] reported that [HeShe] had been
> killed in an industrial accident at [Place]. [Notes][Sources]
>
> Another approach would be to have a single event describing what
> happened and put each newspaper article as a separate source.
>
> There is a problem with newspaper reports in that you need two dates for
> the event sentence.  One when the event happened and one when the
> article appeared.  I have put in a request for a new way to create event
> sentences but I'm not holding my breath.
>
> I also put in a request for concatenatable events, so that two or more
> events appear in one paragraph, instead of on separate lines.  I'm not
> holding my breath for that one either.
>
> Anyway, that's my two bob's worth.
>
> Maybe someone can give a more technical explanation of the use of
> Locations.  Or maybe I'm too pedantic.
>
> Cheers
>
> Tony
>
>
>
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[LegacyUG] Sentence Structure for Multiple events of the same type at the same time

[Tony Rolfe]

I'm sure Sherry or Brian will be able to give you a much more detailed
explanation, but I believe that the location field should be for
locations.  I did put all sort of stuff into random fields in my early
days, but found that it made things harder rather than easier.
Untangling it was a pain.

If you put the newspaper name in the description, it will often include
a location by default (New York Times or Sydney Morning Herald) and if
it doesn't, I just add a bit in brackets  - Daily Express (London) or
The Times (London).   You can then use the location for the place the
event happened.  e.g.  [Ondate] [Desc] reported that [HeShe] had been
killed in an industrial accident at [Place]. [Notes][Sources]

Another approach would be to have a single event describing what
happened and put each newspaper article as a separate source.

There is a problem with newspaper reports in that you need two dates for
the event sentence.  One when the event happened and one when the
article appeared.  I have put in a request for a new way to create event
sentences but I'm not holding my breath.

I also put in a request for concatenatable events, so that two or more
events appear in one paragraph, instead of on separate lines.  I'm not
holding my breath for that one either.

Anyway, that's my two bob's worth.

Maybe someone can give a more technical explanation of the use of
Locations.  Or maybe I'm too pedantic.

Cheers

Tony



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Re: [LegacyUG] Sentence Structure for Multiple events of the same type at the same time

[Lavern Hall]

Hello,

A few of my relatives fall into this category. They have two or three death
notices and perhaps a full obituary. I've entered those as Events and put
the name of the newspaper in the description field and where the newspaper
is published in the Location field. That reads nicely.

As I view it, death notices provide information in a different format than
obituaries do. One is primarily facts where the obits embellish the
information, often in story format. In Legacy, you always have options as
to how your final output will appear. If the Death Notices, for
example, all provide the same information with the difference being they
are from different newspapers, then I might have one or two
up and follow with a notation that for additional death notices,
see(wherever you decide to put them.)  I followed that format for a
book I did, and placed the other death notices in an appendix called
"Research." If you are including original articles, you could give the file
a name that suits your purposes.

 You have flexibility when you download your file for editing (RFT). I
agree, I wouldn't want to read the same thing over and over again and would
find it not only redundant, but boring.
If the person's local newspaper published the death notice, that would have
relavance over a tiny blurb, say in the college newspaper.
 A combination of the local newspaper (providing the facts) and perhaps a
nice Obit would make for interesting reading.

IF you want to lump death notices together, (providing they all say the
same thing), you could probably do so by saying something like, "The
following death notice for [name of deceased] appeared in [name of
newspapers and dates published.] This wouldn't be my choice, but it does
work.

I've been in the practice of transcribing docs (thanks to Geoff's
webinars), so I'd do that for the articles with poor visual quality. And
then when it comes time for your final output (book, etc.) include the
original document someplace?

Just some thoughts...hope they help.

Lavern Hall
...

On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 5:25 AM, Kathy Thompson wrote:

>  Multiple events would seem logical yes, ok, hadn't thought of that.
>
> How can having newspaper names in the location field cause complications?.
> I would appreiate more guidance on that before I get too many newspaper
> bits in - and I am aware of at least 150 that I want to include for at
> least a dozen people, so it's not going to be a "minor" event.
> Yes, the actual article will be being included/attached, but I'm aware
> that a number of the articles I'll be including are of poor visual quality,
> and not all of my family are going to want to read the whole article, but a
> few sentences might pique their interest.
>
>
> On 31 August 2013 16:37, Tony Rolfe  wrote:
>
>> The obvious solution would be to have multiple events.  "Newspaper
>> Article 1", whose event sentence reads as your first example. "Newspaper
>> Article 2" whose sentence starts "Another article" and "Newspaper
>> Article 3" whose sentence begins "An article also".
>>
>> You could then mix and match them as needed, and even add more if you
>> wanted later.
>>
>> I'm a bit worried about using a newspaper name in the location field.
>> That would make all sorts of complications with the master Location
>> List.  I have put the name of the newspaper into the description and the
>> location of the event in the location field.  I use the notes field for
>> the article title and a summary of the article.  The actual article is
>> converted into a jpeg and attached in the usual way.
>>
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sentence Structure for Multiple events of the same type at the same time

[Jenny M Benson]

On 31/08/2013 05:14, Kathy Thompson wrote:
> I'm trying to work out a way of formatting the Sentence Structure of a
> certain custom event so that when I have multiple events of the same
> type within a very short period of time, the sentences read nicely.
>
> My event name is "Newspaper Article", and for these events I am
> inserting the Article's title as Description, the date it was published
> in Date, and the Newspaper's name as Place. I am also including a
> transcription of the first few sentences in the Notes field where possible.
>
> Because I will always have all of the main fields filled, I have set up
> my sentence definition to read
> An article appeared in the newspaper «i»[place]«/i» [ondate], titled
> "[desc]". [:IF[notes]::The article starts "[notes]"::][Sources]
>
> I don't have an issue with the sentence when I only have one newspaper
> article before I then have other events, but when I have three or more
> in a row, it gets a bit monotonous with every sentence starting the same
> way, especially when I haven't yet included any transcription in the notes.
> By way of example, I have a person who was unfortunately killed in a
> workplace accident, and his death made it into at least a dozen
> newspapers within just one or two days, and I want to record each of them.
>
> Ideally, I'd like to be able to have the start of the sentence alternate
> between two or three different definitions, giving sentence starts such
> as "An article appeared in...", "Another article appeared in...", and
> "An article also appeared in..."
>
> How can I make this alternating sentence structure happen - or is it not
> possible?

One way would be to mention the additional articles in the Notes field.
  After quoting the start of the first article you could continue "An
article also appeared in the  on  under the heading
.  This article began:...  A further article was printed in the
 on  and began ..."

Rather than "mess up" my Location list with newspaper titles, I put the
name of the paper in the Desc field, the place of its publication in the
Place field and quote the article, including the heading or title, in
the Notes field.

--
Jenny M Benson



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Re: [LegacyUG] Sentence Structure for Multiple events of the same type at the same time

[Kathy Thompson]

That's certainly a good way of alternating the start - are their other
similar ways of alternating starts like this?


On 31 August 2013 19:25, Brian/Support  wrote:

> There is one sentence component that you can use to add some variety
> but you may need to amend your sentence start to make use of it. The
> field [FirstHeShe] will use the person's first name in a first
> sentence then will use He or She depending on gender for a second, it
> will then alternate back and forth between the first name and the He
> or She.
>
> If you changed your sentence to [FirstHeShe] was mentiioned in a
> newspaper article... then you would have some variety in the sentences
> for multiple mentions.
>
> Brian
> Customer Support
> Millennia Corporation
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>
> On 31 August 2013 00:14, Kathy Thompson  wrote:
> > I'm trying to work out a way of formatting the Sentence Structure of a
> > certain custom event so that when I have multiple events of the same type
> > within a very short period of time, the sentences read nicely.
> >
> > My event name is "Newspaper Article", and for these events I am inserting
> > the Article's title as Description, the date it was published in Date,
> and
> > the Newspaper's name as Place. I am also including a transcription of the
> > first few sentences in the Notes field where possible.
> >
> > Because I will always have all of the main fields filled, I have set up
> my
> > sentence definition to read
> > An article appeared in the newspaper «i»[place]«/i» [ondate], titled
> > "[desc]". [:IF[notes]::The article starts "[notes]"::][Sources]
> >
> > I don't have an issue with the sentence when I only have one newspaper
> > article before I then have other events, but when I have three or more
> in a
> > row, it gets a bit monotonous with every sentence starting the same way,
> > especially when I haven't yet included any transcription in the notes.
> > By way of example, I have a person who was unfortunately killed in a
> > workplace accident, and his death made it into at least a dozen
> newspapers
> > within just one or two days, and I want to record each of them.
> >
> > Ideally, I'd like to be able to have the start of the sentence alternate
> > between two or three different definitions, giving sentence starts such
> as
> > "An article appeared in...", "Another article appeared in...", and "An
> > article also appeared in..."
> >
> > How can I make this alternating sentence structure happen - or is it not
> > possible?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Kathy
> >
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sentence Structure for Multiple events of the same type at the same time

[Kathy Thompson]

Multiple events would seem logical yes, ok, hadn't thought of that.

How can having newspaper names in the location field cause complications?.
I would appreiate more guidance on that before I get too many newspaper
bits in - and I am aware of at least 150 that I want to include for at
least a dozen people, so it's not going to be a "minor" event.
Yes, the actual article will be being included/attached, but I'm aware that
a number of the articles I'll be including are of poor visual quality, and
not all of my family are going to want to read the whole article, but a few
sentences might pique their interest.


On 31 August 2013 16:37, Tony Rolfe  wrote:

> The obvious solution would be to have multiple events.  "Newspaper
> Article 1", whose event sentence reads as your first example. "Newspaper
> Article 2" whose sentence starts "Another article" and "Newspaper
> Article 3" whose sentence begins "An article also".
>
> You could then mix and match them as needed, and even add more if you
> wanted later.
>
> I'm a bit worried about using a newspaper name in the location field.
> That would make all sorts of complications with the master Location
> List.  I have put the name of the newspaper into the description and the
> location of the event in the location field.  I use the notes field for
> the article title and a summary of the article.  The actual article is
> converted into a jpeg and attached in the usual way.
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sentence Structure for Multiple events of the same type at the same time

[Brian/Support]

There is one sentence component that you can use to add some variety
but you may need to amend your sentence start to make use of it. The
field [FirstHeShe] will use the person's first name in a first
sentence then will use He or She depending on gender for a second, it
will then alternate back and forth between the first name and the He
or She.

If you changed your sentence to [FirstHeShe] was mentiioned in a
newspaper article... then you would have some variety in the sentences
for multiple mentions.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

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On 31 August 2013 00:14, Kathy Thompson  wrote:
> I'm trying to work out a way of formatting the Sentence Structure of a
> certain custom event so that when I have multiple events of the same type
> within a very short period of time, the sentences read nicely.
>
> My event name is "Newspaper Article", and for these events I am inserting
> the Article's title as Description, the date it was published in Date, and
> the Newspaper's name as Place. I am also including a transcription of the
> first few sentences in the Notes field where possible.
>
> Because I will always have all of the main fields filled, I have set up my
> sentence definition to read
> An article appeared in the newspaper «i»[place]«/i» [ondate], titled
> "[desc]". [:IF[notes]::The article starts "[notes]"::][Sources]
>
> I don't have an issue with the sentence when I only have one newspaper
> article before I then have other events, but when I have three or more in a
> row, it gets a bit monotonous with every sentence starting the same way,
> especially when I haven't yet included any transcription in the notes.
> By way of example, I have a person who was unfortunately killed in a
> workplace accident, and his death made it into at least a dozen newspapers
> within just one or two days, and I want to record each of them.
>
> Ideally, I'd like to be able to have the start of the sentence alternate
> between two or three different definitions, giving sentence starts such as
> "An article appeared in...", "Another article appeared in...", and "An
> article also appeared in..."
>
> How can I make this alternating sentence structure happen - or is it not
> possible?
>
> Thanks
> Kathy
>
>
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[LegacyUG] Sentence Structure for Multiple events of the same type at the same time

[Tony Rolfe]

The obvious solution would be to have multiple events.  "Newspaper
Article 1", whose event sentence reads as your first example. "Newspaper
Article 2" whose sentence starts "Another article" and "Newspaper
Article 3" whose sentence begins "An article also".

You could then mix and match them as needed, and even add more if you
wanted later.

I'm a bit worried about using a newspaper name in the location field.
That would make all sorts of complications with the master Location
List.  I have put the name of the newspaper into the description and the
location of the event in the location field.  I use the notes field for
the article title and a summary of the article.  The actual article is
converted into a jpeg and attached in the usual way.



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[LegacyUG] Sentence Structure for Multiple events of the same type at the same time

[Kathy Thompson]

I'm trying to work out a way of formatting the Sentence Structure of a
certain custom event so that when I have multiple events of the same type
within a very short period of time, the sentences read nicely.

My event name is "Newspaper Article", and for these events I am inserting
the Article's title as Description, the date it was published in Date, and
the Newspaper's name as Place. I am also including a transcription of the
first few sentences in the Notes field where possible.

Because I will always have all of the main fields filled, I have set up my
sentence definition to read
An article appeared in the newspaper «i»[place]«/i» [ondate], titled
"[desc]". [:IF[notes]::The article starts "[notes]"::][Sources]

I don't have an issue with the sentence when I only have one newspaper
article before I then have other events, but when I have three or more in a
row, it gets a bit monotonous with every sentence starting the same way,
especially when I haven't yet included any transcription in the notes.
By way of example, I have a person who was unfortunately killed in a
workplace accident, and his death made it into at least a dozen newspapers
within just one or two days, and I want to record each of them.

Ideally, I'd like to be able to have the start of the sentence alternate
between two or three different definitions, giving sentence starts such as
"An article appeared in...", "Another article appeared in...", and "An
article also appeared in..."

How can I make this alternating sentence structure happen - or is it not
possible?

Thanks
Kathy



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