Re: [LegacyUG] Status of TMG importer

[Steve Hayes]

On 23 Jan 2016 at 12:25, Jamie Poindexter wrote:

> Paul is correct.  Your desktop and laptops using Dropbox have a folder
> that is called Dropbox.  Anything you save there is synchronized to the
> cloud Dropbox server.  Anything synced  to the cloud server from one
> computer is also synced to your other devices.  If you are offline in a
> library, you have access to your Legacy files from the Dropbox folder on your
> laptop.  The next time you are online with that laptop, Dropbox will sync your
> changes in your local folder with the cloud server, and likewise, with your
> other devices.
>
> The key is to make sure that no one, you or your wife, access that
> Legacy file until the changes you made while offline are synced with the
> cloud.  If she were to make changes online at home while you are making
> changes offline, when you get back online, your updates may overwrite hers, or
> worse, the whole database get corrupted.

Of course. That's why I said one should only use it on one computer at a
time, otherwise you can get "conflicting copies".

The great advantage I see is that you are working with a local file, but with
cloud backup and transfer.

There is also a special Legacy multiuser thign, but I have not used that.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Status of TMG importer

[Steve Hayes]

On 23 Jan 2016 at 8:43, Paul Gray wrote:

> One thing to note here. Using Dropbox, or other similar services, is NOT
> working and storing for data file in the cloud. You are only storing a COPY of
> your file on Dropbox. Legacy, and all desktop programs that I am aware of,
> work with a local copy of your data.

Of course.

That's what makes Dropbox so useful.

I don't think Legacy would work very efficiently (or at all) with data files
stored only on a remote server. But with Dropbox your data is backed up
remotely as soon as you sync it.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Status of TMG importer

[Jamie Poindexter]

Steve,

Paul is correct.  Your desktop and laptops using Dropbox have a folder
that is called Dropbox.  Anything you save there is synchronized to the
cloud Dropbox server.  Anything synced  to the cloud server from one
computer is also synced to your other devices.  If you are offline in a
library, you have access to your Legacy files from the Dropbox folder on
your laptop.  The next time you are online with that laptop, Dropbox
will sync your changes in your local folder with the cloud server, and
likewise, with your other devices.

The key is to make sure that no one, you or your wife, access that
Legacy file until the changes you made while offline are synced with the
cloud.  If she were to make changes online at home while you are making
changes offline, when you get back online, your updates may overwrite
hers, or worse, the whole database get corrupted.

My team are distant cousins working on the same database.  We use Skype
to determine if the others are online (in our case, we never use TMG
when offline).  If I see someone is booted up, as indicated in Skype, I
text or call them before I boot TMG on my computer to confirm if they
have TMG open.  We all agreed to set Skype to always boot when we turn
on our computers so that we can rely on the Skype indicators.  If no one
else has their computers showing active in Skype, I can open TMG.  This
would work with Legacy as well, except in your case where you are
offline in the library, but you could open Legacy to look at data, just
don't make any changes, then you don't have to worry about overwriting
your wife's changes.

Maybe we should rename this thread to Using Dropbox with Legacy.

Jamie

On 1/22/2016 9:41 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On 22 Jan 2016 at 6:03, Sherry/Support wrote:
>
>> You can store the Family File in the cloud, but the program itself has
>> to be installed under Windows or a Windows emulator.
> One way of doing it is by using Dropbox.
>
> You can keep your Legacy data files in a Dropbox directory. I have done this
> with Rootsmagic, where my wife and I access the data files from desktop or
> laptop computers. It is best to turn Bropbox syncing off when actually
> working on the file, and to make sure that one is only working in it on one
> computer at a time.
>
> This would probably work with Legacy v 7.5 or earlier, but would be awkward
> with Legacy 8.x, which has a different default method of storing data files.
> As a result of that I transfer the Legacy data from my desktop to my laptop
> with a USB flash drive, and every time I change I have to do the "Restore
> User Defaults" routine. But I still back the data file up to Dropbox.
>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Status of TMG importer

[Paul Gray]

One thing to note here. Using Dropbox, or other similar services, is NOT 
working and storing for data file in the cloud. You are only storing a COPY of 
your file on Dropbox. Legacy, and all desktop programs that I am aware of, work 
with a local copy of your data.

Paul

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From: Steve Hayes [mailto:hayes...@telkomsa.net]
Sent: January 22, 2016 8:41 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Status of TMG importer

On 22 Jan 2016 at 6:03, Sherry/Support wrote:

> You can store the Family File in the cloud, but the program itself has
> to be installed under Windows or a Windows emulator.

One way of doing it is by using Dropbox.

You can keep your Legacy data files in a Dropbox directory. I have done this 
with Rootsmagic, where my wife and I access the data files from desktop or 
laptop computers. It is best to turn Bropbox syncing off when actually working 
on the file, and to make sure that one is only working in it on one computer at 
a time.

This would probably work with Legacy v 7.5 or earlier, but would be awkward 
with Legacy 8.x, which has a different default method of storing data files.
As a result of that I transfer the Legacy data from my desktop to my laptop 
with a USB flash drive, and every time I change I have to do the "Restore User 
Defaults" routine. But I still back the data file up to Dropbox.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Status of TMG importer

[Ed Ladendorf]

Jamie, what you said to Mike is exactly what I was talking about. I've been 
using Legacy for some time, but it doesn't sound as if they will be taking that 
road. Even though I really like Legacy, I would consider switching if others 
offered that flexibility and Legacy didn't. Thanks for putting it in a clearer 
post than I did.

On Friday, January 22, 2016 12:38 PM, Jamie Poindexter 
 wrote:


   Mike,

 It could be more like Microsoft Office products, where you subscribe to the 
software, such as Word, and you can save your documents in your OneDrive 
account or on your computer or another cloud storage, such as Dropbox.  With 
the OneDrive  (a cloud storage space), you can access documents stored there 
from any computer, pad or smart phone that can open or view a Word document.  
Same for Dropbox.

 Ed,

 I haven't adopted Legacy yet, waiting for the TMG importer as using a gedcom 
to import looses too much of my data.  However, using TMG, I store my files on 
Dropbox.  That way they are backed up should I loose my hard drive.  They are 
also accessible from any other Windows computer running TMG (TMG never 
developed a Mac, iOS or Android app before going out of business).   In fact, 
there are three of us working from three computers in two different states on 
the TMG database.  We coordinate so that we don't have two people manipulating 
the data at the same time. 

 I also store my Legacy data in Dropbox.  So I can install Legacy on my hard 
drive on more than one computer and access the data from each.  Advise to make 
sure you don't have the same data set open on more than one computer at a time. 
 I haven't tested that to see if anything breaks.  Making a change in any 
database while making a change from a second computer usually means one 
person's changes don't get saved or get overwritten.

 I'm using Legacy in the free mode, as I am checking it out and waiting for the 
TMG importer.  So I don't know if they have an Android or iOS app, but yes, 
that would be nice.  Also Mac would be great as I have one researcher that uses 
one and can't help enter data in TMG.  I'm also looking at RootsMagic, which 
does import TMG and does have Android and iOS apps.  I haven't tested the apps 
yet, but did learn that their TMG importer didn't import everything.  I will be 
discussing that with their support staff.  Their exporter to the web has room 
for improvement as well.  Haven't tested Legacy's exporter yet.

 For me, whichever application gets the TMG importer right, that's the one I 
will probably go with.  MacOS is my next priority, followed by iOS and Android. 

 Regards,
 Jamie, webmaster
 Poindexter Descendants Association

 On 1/22/2016 10:30 AM, MikeFry wrote:

 On 22 Jan 2016 5:40 PM, Ed Ladendorf wrote:


 Thank you once again. It's possible that I don't really understand how the 
cloud
could work (or not) with Legacy. Is it not possible to have the program itself
in the cloud, and it could sync with the Windows version of Legacy? If it is
possible, that seems like it would be a great thing for a lot of people. Sorry
if I did not understand that possibility correctly.

 Totally different business model. What you're asking would entail running 
Legacy
Family Tree as a Web application rather than as a Desktop application. You
wouldn't then purchase the software, but simply pay a monthly subscription to
use it. In all probability, keeping the data on your PC would incur massive
costs as the data flows back and forth. It then becomes cheaper to keep the data
on the website and you've lost the ultimate ownership of it. Just like using
Ancestry's software to maintain a tree on their website.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Status of TMG importer

[Sherry/Support]

I don't know of any genealogy programs that are stored on a server.
Those who offer web space, such as Ancestry and other "tree" pages,
have definite problems, mainly the lack of flexibility you get with
desktop programs. Searches, reports, sorts, etc are quite limited.

And when you decide you need something that's more "powerful", the
gedcoms created from those websites are not very good. We've seen some
horrendous issues with them - we deal with them most every day.

 A good desktop program with storage of your data on a cloud service
such as Dropbox works great. If you have a laptop (and most people
have desktop and laptop these days) you can install Legacy on both
computers (yes, you can use your customer number to unlock the Deluxe
features on more than one computer), or other mobile device and use
with Families 2.0, you can work on your data anywhere! You don't even
need an internet connection, which you would need if you're working
with a cloud based program.  Just work on the file that's in Dropbox
on the computer you're using and then when you get connected, it'll
automatically sync to the web and back to your other computer.

Families 2.0 uses a sync program on the desktop to convert the Legacy
file to an iOS or Android format and then you can convert it back to
your Legacy file.



Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Ed Ladendorf  wrote:
> Jamie, what you said to Mike is exactly what I was talking about. I've been
> using Legacy for some time, but it doesn't sound as if they will be taking
> that road. Even though I really like Legacy, I would consider switching if
> others offered that flexibility and Legacy didn't. Thanks for putting it in
> a clearer post than I did.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Status of TMG importer

[Jamie Poindexter]

Mike,

It could be more like Microsoft Office products, where you subscribe to
the software, such as Word, and you can save your documents in your
OneDrive account or on your computer or another cloud storage, such as
Dropbox.  With the OneDrive  (a cloud storage space), you can access
documents stored there from any computer, pad or smart phone that can
open or view a Word document.  Same for Dropbox.

Ed,

I haven't adopted Legacy yet, waiting for the TMG importer as using a
gedcom to import looses too much of my data.  However, using TMG, I
store my files on Dropbox.  That way they are backed up should I loose
my hard drive.  They are also accessible from any other Windows computer
running TMG (TMG never developed a Mac, iOS or Android app before going
out of business).   In fact, there are three of us working from three
computers in two different states on the TMG database.  We coordinate so
that we don't have two people manipulating the data at the same time.

I also store my Legacy data in Dropbox.  So I can install Legacy on my
hard drive on more than one computer and access the data from each.
Advise to make sure you don't have the same data set open on more than
one computer at a time.  I haven't tested that to see if anything
breaks.  Making a change in any database while making a change from a
second computer usually means one person's changes don't get saved or
get overwritten.

I'm using Legacy in the free mode, as I am checking it out and waiting
for the TMG importer.  So I don't know if they have an Android or iOS
app, but yes, that would be nice.  Also Mac would be great as I have one
researcher that uses one and can't help enter data in TMG.  I'm also
looking at RootsMagic, which does import TMG and does have Android and
iOS apps.  I haven't tested the apps yet, but did learn that their TMG
importer didn't import everything.  I will be discussing that with their
support staff. Their exporter to the web has room for improvement as
well. Haven't tested Legacy's exporter yet.

For me, whichever application gets the TMG importer right, that's the
one I will probably go with.  MacOS is my next priority, followed by iOS
and Android.

Regards,
Jamie, webmaster
Poindexter Descendants Association

On 1/22/2016 10:30 AM, MikeFry wrote:
> On 22 Jan 2016 5:40 PM, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
>
>> Thank you once again. It's possible that I don't really understand how the 
>> cloud
>> could work (or not) with Legacy. Is it not possible to have the program 
>> itself
>> in the cloud, and it could sync with the Windows version of Legacy? If it is
>> possible, that seems like it would be a great thing for a lot of people. 
>> Sorry
>> if I did not understand that possibility correctly.
> Totally different business model. What you're asking would entail running 
> Legacy
> Family Tree as a Web application rather than as a Desktop application. You
> wouldn't then purchase the software, but simply pay a monthly subscription to
> use it. In all probability, keeping the data on your PC would incur massive
> costs as the data flows back and forth. It then becomes cheaper to keep the 
> data
> on the website and you've lost the ultimate ownership of it. Just like using
> Ancestry's software to maintain a tree on their website.
>





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Re: [LegacyUG] Status of TMG importer

[Ed Ladendorf]

Thanks Sherry. I have a chromebook, an android phone, and a desktop PC. There 
is another possibility for some people who have something like I have. There is 
Chrome Remote Desktop. This will allow you to remotely access your computer, 
with Chrome or Android. This works very well, but if someone else is using the 
PC, they will have to agree to give it up so you can access your files. So it's 
not a perfect solution, but it works with an internet connection. So if you're 
at a family search center, you will be able to access Legacy that resides on 
your PC. It is also secure because you give it a pin number with a minimum of 6 
numerals.

On Friday, January 22, 2016 3:57 PM, Sherry/Support 
 wrote:


 I don't know of any genealogy programs that are stored on a server.
Those who offer web space, such as Ancestry and other "tree" pages,
have definite problems, mainly the lack of flexibility you get with
desktop programs. Searches, reports, sorts, etc are quite limited.

And when you decide you need something that's more "powerful", the
gedcoms created from those websites are not very good. We've seen some
horrendous issues with them - we deal with them most every day.

 A good desktop program with storage of your data on a cloud service
such as Dropbox works great. If you have a laptop (and most people
have desktop and laptop these days) you can install Legacy on both
computers (yes, you can use your customer number to unlock the Deluxe
features on more than one computer), or other mobile device and use
with Families 2.0, you can work on your data anywhere! You don't even
need an internet connection, which you would need if you're working
with a cloud based program.  Just work on the file that's in Dropbox
on the computer you're using and then when you get connected, it'll
automatically sync to the web and back to your other computer.

Families 2.0 uses a sync program on the desktop to convert the Legacy
file to an iOS or Android format and then you can convert it back to
your Legacy file.



Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Ed Ladendorf  wrote:
> Jamie, what you said to Mike is exactly what I was talking about. I've been
> using Legacy for some time, but it doesn't sound as if they will be taking
> that road. Even though I really like Legacy, I would consider switching if
> others offered that flexibility and Legacy didn't. Thanks for putting it in
> a clearer post than I did.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Status of TMG importer

[Sherry/Support]

You can store the Family File in the cloud, but the program itself has
to be installed under Windows or a Windows emulator.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 4:42 AM, Ed Ladendorf  wrote:
> Sherry, thanks for the reply. I know it is a Windows program, but I thought
> the new version might also run in the cloud, as Evernote and Windows Office
> programs do. That would certainly be a good thing since many programs are
> becoming available wherever you are, and on whichever device you happen to
> be using. It would be a shame if people switched to another program simply
> because it offered that flexibility, and Legacy did not. Again, thank you
> for the reply.
>
>
> On Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:15 PM, Sherry/Support
>  wrote:
>
>
> No dates were given to us.
>
> Legacy is a Windows program and will not run under Chrome. To use on
> an Android device, you will need to get the app, Families 2.0.  Please
> check this out on our website www.LegacyFamilyTree.com > Online Store
>> Mobile Apps.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>




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Re: [LegacyUG] Status of TMG importer

[Ed Ladendorf]

Thank you once again. It's possible that I don't really understand how the 
cloud could work (or not) with Legacy. Is it not possible to have the program 
itself in the cloud, and it could sync with the Windows version of Legacy? If 
it is possible, that seems like it would be a great thing for a lot of people. 
Sorry if I did not understand that possibility correctly.

On Friday, January 22, 2016 8:03 AM, Sherry/Support 
 wrote:


 You can store the Family File in the cloud, but the program itself has
to be installed under Windows or a Windows emulator.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 4:42 AM, Ed Ladendorf  wrote:
> Sherry, thanks for the reply. I know it is a Windows program, but I thought
> the new version might also run in the cloud, as Evernote and Windows Office
> programs do. That would certainly be a good thing since many programs are
> becoming available wherever you are, and on whichever device you happen to
> be using. It would be a shame if people switched to another program simply
> because it offered that flexibility, and Legacy did not. Again, thank you
> for the reply.
>
>
> On Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:15 PM, Sherry/Support
>  wrote:
>
>
> No dates were given to us.
>
> Legacy is a Windows program and will not run under Chrome. To use on
> an Android device, you will need to get the app, Families 2.0.  Please
> check this out on our website www.LegacyFamilyTree.com > Online Store
>> Mobile Apps.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>




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Re: [LegacyUG] Status of TMG importer

[MikeFry]

On 22 Jan 2016 5:40 PM, Ed Ladendorf wrote:

> Thank you once again. It's possible that I don't really understand how the 
> cloud
> could work (or not) with Legacy. Is it not possible to have the program itself
> in the cloud, and it could sync with the Windows version of Legacy? If it is
> possible, that seems like it would be a great thing for a lot of people. Sorry
> if I did not understand that possibility correctly.

Totally different business model. What you're asking would entail running Legacy
Family Tree as a Web application rather than as a Desktop application. You
wouldn't then purchase the software, but simply pay a monthly subscription to
use it. In all probability, keeping the data on your PC would incur massive
costs as the data flows back and forth. It then becomes cheaper to keep the data
on the website and you've lost the ultimate ownership of it. Just like using
Ancestry's software to maintain a tree on their website.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Status of TMG importer

[Steve Hayes]

On 22 Jan 2016 at 18:30, MikeFry wrote:

> On 22 Jan 2016 5:40 PM, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
>
> > Thank you once again. It's possible that I don't really understand how the
> > cloud could work (or not) with Legacy. Is it not possible to have the
> > program itself in the cloud, and it could sync with the Windows version of
> > Legacy? If it is possible, that seems like it would be a great thing for a
> > lot of people. Sorry if I did not understand that possibility correctly.
>
> Totally different business model. What you're asking would entail running
> Legacy Family Tree as a Web application rather than as a Desktop application.
> You wouldn't then purchase the software, but simply pay a monthly subscription
> to use it. In all probability, keeping the data on your PC would incur massive
> costs as the data flows back and forth. It then becomes cheaper to keep the
> data on the website and you've lost the ultimate ownership of it. Just like
> using Ancestry's software to maintain a tree on their website.

I don't understand about the "business model", but it seems that it would be
a highly unsatisfactory method of storing family history date, as it would
require you to have Internet access at all times.

I quite often take my laptop computer to do research in libraries and
archives where there is no Internet access, and while I do print out my
Legacy To-Do list beforehand I also often want to look up people and their
relationships to check where the new material fits in.

Using cloud servers for backup or transfer is fine, but it seems crazy to
want to do everything there.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Status of TMG importer

[Steve Hayes]

On 22 Jan 2016 at 6:03, Sherry/Support wrote:

> You can store the Family File in the cloud, but the program itself has
> to be installed under Windows or a Windows emulator.

One way of doing it is by using Dropbox.

You can keep your Legacy data files in a Dropbox directory. I have done this
with Rootsmagic, where my wife and I access the data files from desktop or
laptop computers. It is best to turn Bropbox syncing off when actually
working on the file, and to make sure that one is only working in it on one
computer at a time.

This would probably work with Legacy v 7.5 or earlier, but would be awkward
with Legacy 8.x, which has a different default method of storing data files.
As a result of that I transfer the Legacy data from my desktop to my laptop
with a USB flash drive, and every time I change I have to do the "Restore
User Defaults" routine. But I still back the data file up to Dropbox.




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[LegacyUG] Status of TMG importer

[Jamie Poindexter]

Support,

Has there been any timeline released yet as to when we will be able to
import data tables from The Master Genealogist without going through a
gedcom?  I fear that with FTM's end of life that Legacy's development to
import TMG will be put on the back burner.  If I missed an announcement
about TMG, please accept my apology.

Regards,
Jamie




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Re: [LegacyUG] Status of TMG importer

[Sherry/Support]

No dates were given to us.

Legacy is a Windows program and will not run under Chrome. To use on
an Android device, you will need to get the app, Families 2.0.  Please
check this out on our website www.LegacyFamilyTree.com > Online Store
> Mobile Apps.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 6:38 PM, Ed Ladendorf  wrote:
> Is it possible to give us a rough date when the new Legacy will be
> available, and if it will have support for Chrome and/or Android?
>
>
> On Thursday, January 21, 2016 3:38 PM, Brian/Support
>  wrote:
>
>
> We had a company meeting today and were given permission to say that the
> TMG direct import has been delayed until the release of the next version
> of Legacy which the programmers are now working on. You will not see it
> in Version 8.0.
>
> Brian
> Customer Support
> Millennia Corporation
> br...@legacyfamilytree.com
> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com




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