Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[Paula Ryburn]

I have added an Alt. Spelling event and record misspellings there.  Or 
sometimes (especially with census records) I might have it in the Event Notes.  
For example, Lizzie was enumerated as Lissie.
Like Jenny, I would not use AKA if there is no proof the person was known by 
that name.  Then there're quoted names and nicknames, too, right?  All less 
serious than the AKA functionality.  I don't want someone showing up in the 
Name List (Index?) more times than necessary, or useful for my research 
purposes.
 
--Paula 



 From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2014 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs


On 09/01/2014 17:19, Brian/Support wrote:
 If the person is indexed under the name, incorrect as it may be, how
 will you find them again in other places which derive their data from
 the original place which contains the error without having recorded that
 spelling error as an AKA? Yes you said you put the name as it was
 recorded in the source transcription but the AKA is a more visible place
 to see that somewhere his name was recorded with that transcription error.

It may be more visible there, but in my view it implies that the person
WAS KNOWN by that different version of the name, which is not so.

I have one instance in my database where a whole family was listed in
the Census with the wrong surname.  (Probably an error of the Enumerator
made when copying from the original forms to the books which we see.)
It would cause no end of confusion if I implied that the Ashworths were
also known as the Birtwistles.  On the other hand, I have a family where
the father and several children were known for some years as Dinnage
rather than Pitt and so they have Dinnage recorded as an AKA.

--
Jenny M Benson



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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[Michele/Support]

Leo,
Just my opinion, I can only tell you what I would do in this situation….
Ewen would be entered as his birth name (main name on the Individual View)

Evan would be entered as an AKA (with sources showing this version in the 
records) and I would also add a blurb in the notes area  if I knew for a fact 
that he changed his name and preferred this spelling.  I would want it in the 
notes so that others would have this information too.  I would like to have 
some sort of confirmation such as “Ewen’s sister Lizzie states that Ewen 
changed the spelling of his name to Evan after being in Canada for a few 
years.”  And then I would have Lizzie’s interview as my source.  OR, a great 
source would be documents that Ewen signed himself, especially if you have 
older, Scottish records with the original spelling and then newer Canadian 
records with the new spelling.  The key here is Ewen's signature in his own 
hand.  I would caution against assuming he preferred Evan as the spelling just 
because you found that spelling more often in the Canadian records.

Ivan, Ewon, and Ewan would be entered as AKAs as long as I have records that 
actually have these spellings to use as source.

This is very much personal preference.  My only suggestion is that whatever you 
do, do it consistently :)


Michele
Technical Support
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
www.LegacyFamilyTree.com



From: lio . [mailto:likeitouts...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 5:51 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

Thanks to everyone for your replies. I'm still fuzzy on it though.

A Scottish ancestor's birth name was Ewen, but after a few years in Canada he 
started going by Evan.

So, I entered Evan as an AKA.

Often he on documents he is recorded as Ivan. He never signs Ivan, but others 
(perhaps having trouble with his Scottish accent) would record him as Ivan.

1. Would you record Ivan as an AKA? He never went by it, but was often recorded 
as it.

2. What about the times Ewen was recorded as Ewan or Ewon. Spelling mistakes. 
Would you record Ewan and Ewon as an AKA?

Sorry for asking my question again, but had to use some personal examples for 
better understanding.

Leo


 From: singh...@erols.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:28:50 -0500

 You could be right, of course.

 Cheryl


 CE WOOD wrote:
  The main reason for me to use many AKAs is the same as an
  earlier poster - so I can find information about someone
  when that person is referred to by one of his sometimes many
  AKAs. When searching the index of a book, say, knowing all
  the names a person has been called (not being funny here),
  makes it possible to know if that person has been mentioned
  in the book.
 
  For me, with thousands of medieval and earlier individuals,
  people were often a duke of this, an earl of that, a comet
  od the other, etc. The women too. These titles changed too;
  some were added, some were taken away by a king, then
  restored; some were called differently depending whether the
  author was Italian, French, Welsh, etc.
 
  Here's one with only a few AKAs that are very relevant when
  searching:
 
  England, AEthelwulf, King of
  Wessex, AEthelwulf, King of England and
  West Saxons, AEthelwulf, King of
 
 
  And then the women:
 
  Northumberland, AEthelreda of
  Allerdale, AEthelreda of
  Dunbar, AEthelreda of
  Dunbar, Octreda of
  Northumbria, Uchtreda of
 
  Northumbria, Sibyl Björnsdóttir of
  Bearsson, Sibylla
  Northumbria, AElfled of
  Northumbria, Suben Björnsdóttir of
 
  Don't get me listing all the Welsh and Celtic AKAs that you
  need to research any one individual in those lands!
 
  While I'm working on someone, I remember that, say, that:
 
  Clare, Gilbert the Red de
  -was also known as-
 
  Gloucester, 6th Earl Gilbert the Red de Clare, of
  -as well as-
 
  Hertford, 7th Earl Gilbert the Red de Clare, of
 
 
  But when I'm working on someone else, I may have forgotten,
  so when I come upon reference to the 6th Earl of Gloucester
  or the 7th Earl of Hertford, I can find out by a simple
  search of my index if this is someone I want know more about.
 
  I also use AKAs to have French royalty, say, listed together
  in the index with an AKA of France even if she had a last
  name. Of course, many of those were not known by a last
  name, she would be known as Marguerite of France, say.
 
  As far as that goes, the Plantagenets were never known as
  Plantagenets. That is a fabricated last name to help us.
  Edmund, Earl of Cambridge was also known as Edmund of
  Langley, as Edmund, Duke of York, but not as Edmund
  Plantagenet. It helps us to put in that he was the 1st Duke
  of York and to use Plantagenet as a last name, but
  Plantagenet of actually an AKA.
 
  All of this says nothing about the fact that English
  spelling was not standardized until the 1800s, American
  English even later

RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[lio .]

Thanks to everyone for your replies. I'm still fuzzy on it though.

A Scottish ancestor's birth name was Ewen, but after a few years in Canada he 
started going by Evan.

So, I entered Evan as an AKA.

Often he on documents he is recorded as Ivan. He never signs Ivan, but others 
(perhaps having trouble with his Scottish accent) would record him as Ivan.

1. Would you record Ivan as an AKA? He never went by it, but was often recorded 
as it.

2. What about the times Ewen was recorded as Ewan or Ewon. Spelling mistakes. 
Would you record Ewan and Ewon as an AKA?

Sorry for asking my question again, but had to use some personal examples for 
better understanding.

Leo


 From: singh...@erols.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:28:50 -0500

 You could be right, of course.

 Cheryl


 CE WOOD wrote:
  The main reason for me to use many AKAs is the same as an
  earlier poster - so I can find information about someone
  when that person is referred to by one of his sometimes many
  AKAs. When searching the index of a book, say, knowing all
  the names a person has been called (not being funny here),
  makes it possible to know if that person has been mentioned
  in the book.
 
  For me, with thousands of medieval and earlier individuals,
  people were often a duke of this, an earl of that, a comet
  od the other, etc. The women too. These titles changed too;
  some were added, some were taken away by a king, then
  restored; some were called differently depending whether the
  author was Italian, French, Welsh, etc.
 
  Here's one with only a few AKAs that are very relevant when
  searching:
 
  England, AEthelwulf, King of
  Wessex, AEthelwulf, King of England and
  West Saxons, AEthelwulf, King of
 
 
  And then the women:
 
  Northumberland, AEthelreda of
  Allerdale, AEthelreda of
  Dunbar, AEthelreda of
  Dunbar, Octreda of
  Northumbria, Uchtreda of
 
  Northumbria, Sibyl Björnsdóttir of
  Bearsson, Sibylla
  Northumbria, AElfled of
  Northumbria, Suben Björnsdóttir of
 
  Don't get me listing all the Welsh and Celtic AKAs that you
  need to research any one individual in those lands!
 
  While I'm working on someone, I remember that, say, that:
 
  Clare, Gilbert the Red de
  -was also known as-
 
  Gloucester, 6th Earl Gilbert the Red de Clare, of
  -as well as-
 
  Hertford, 7th Earl Gilbert the Red de Clare, of
 
 
  But when I'm working on someone else, I may have forgotten,
  so when I come upon reference to the 6th Earl of Gloucester
  or the 7th Earl of Hertford, I can find out by a simple
  search of my index if this is someone I want know more about.
 
  I also use AKAs to have French royalty, say, listed together
  in the index with an AKA of France even if she had a last
  name. Of course, many of those were not known by a last
  name, she would be known as Marguerite of France, say.
 
  As far as that goes, the Plantagenets were never known as
  Plantagenets. That is a fabricated last name to help us.
  Edmund, Earl of Cambridge was also known as Edmund of
  Langley, as Edmund, Duke of York, but not as Edmund
  Plantagenet. It helps us to put in that he was the 1st Duke
  of York and to use Plantagenet as a last name, but
  Plantagenet of actually an AKA.
 
  All of this says nothing about the fact that English
  spelling was not standardized until the 1800s, American
  English even later. Read any early English or American wills
  for examples of spelling variations of the same word within
  the same document.
 
  To sum up, AKAs make research easier. What you want to put
  in your reports depends on your audience.
 
 
  CE
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Cheers, Carolyn
 
From: singh...@erols.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 13:16:42 -0500
   
And, if one does NOT print them on reports, one will be
answering questions of the But the name's wrong on that
deed variety.
   
And, recording 36 different AKAs on 200 different people
gets a bit tricky too as one deliberates on whether one
includes qwsrf on father and both sons when it has been
spotted only father and one son.
   
Then too why bother inputting something you don't want to
output?
   
Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:
 I was going to say “good point” to Cheryl’s
  comment but your
 response is even “gooder”. Legacy makes these
  things all so
 flexible for the user. Just gotta love a program that
  does that!

 *From:*CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com]
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:01 PM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

 But whether AKAs print in reports is up to you because
  it is
 an option.


 CE

 From: singh...@erols.com mailto:singh...@erols.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[C.G. Ouimet]

Yes to both … AKA as in Also Known As … By self or others in my view …





C.G. Ouimet

Kingston ON



From: lio . [mailto:likeitouts...@hotmail.com]
Sent: January 11, 2014 05:51 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs



Thanks to everyone for your replies. I'm still fuzzy on it though.

A Scottish ancestor's birth name was Ewen, but after a few years in Canada he 
started going by Evan.

So, I entered Evan as an AKA.

Often he on documents he is recorded as Ivan. He never signs Ivan, but others 
(perhaps having trouble with his Scottish accent) would record him as Ivan.

1. Would you record Ivan as an AKA? He never went by it, but was often recorded 
as it.

2. What about the times Ewen was recorded as Ewan or Ewon. Spelling mistakes. 
Would you record Ewan and Ewon as an AKA?

Sorry for asking my question again, but had to use some personal examples for 
better understanding.

Leo



 From: singh...@erols.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:28:50 -0500

 You could be right, of course.

 Cheryl


 CE WOOD wrote:
  The main reason for me to use many AKAs is the same as an
  earlier poster - so I can find information about someone
  when that person is referred to by one of his sometimes many
  AKAs. When searching the index of a book, say, knowing all
  the names a person has been called (not being funny here),
  makes it possible to know if that person has been mentioned
  in the book.
 
  For me, with thousands of medieval and earlier individuals,
  people were often a duke of this, an earl of that, a comet
  od the other, etc. The women too. These titles changed too;
  some were added, some were taken away by a king, then
  restored; some were called differently depending whether the
  author was Italian, French, Welsh, etc.
 
  Here's one with only a few AKAs that are very relevant when
  searching:
 
  England, AEthelwulf, King of
  Wessex, AEthelwulf, King of England and
  West Saxons, AEthelwulf, King of
 
 
  And then the women:
 
  Northumberland, AEthelreda of
  Allerdale, AEthelreda of
  Dunbar, AEthelreda of
  Dunbar, Octreda of
  Northumbria, Uchtreda of
 
  Northumbria, Sibyl Björnsdóttir of
  Bearsson, Sibylla
  Northumbria, AElfled of
  Northumbria, Suben Björnsdóttir of
 
  Don't get me listing all the Welsh and Celtic AKAs that you
  need to research any one individual in those lands!
 
  While I'm working on someone, I remember that, say, that:
 
  Clare, Gilbert the Red de
  -was also known as-
 
  Gloucester, 6th Earl Gilbert the Red de Clare, of
  -as well as-
 
  Hertford, 7th Earl Gilbert the Red de Clare, of
 
 
  But when I'm working on someone else, I may have forgotten,
  so when I come upon reference to the 6th Earl of Gloucester
  or the 7th Earl of Hertford, I can find out by a simple
  search of my index if this is someone I want know more about.
 
  I also use AKAs to have French royalty, say, listed together
  in the index with an AKA of France even if she had a last
  name. Of course, many of those were not known by a last
  name, she would be known as Marguerite of France, say.
 
  As far as that goes, the Plantagenets were never known as
  Plantagenets. That is a fabricated last name to help us.
  Edmund, Earl of Cambridge was also known as Edmund of
  Langley, as Edmund, Duke of York, but not as Edmund
  Plantagenet. It helps us to put in that he was the 1st Duke
  of York and to use Plantagenet as a last name, but
  Plantagenet of actually an AKA.
 
  All of this says nothing about the fact that English
  spelling was not standardized until the 1800s, American
  English even later. Read any early English or American wills
  for examples of spelling variations of the same word within
  the same document.
 
  To sum up, AKAs make research easier. What you want to put
  in your reports depends on your audience.
 
 
  CE
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Cheers, Carolyn
 
   From: singh...@erols.com
   To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
   Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
   Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 13:16:42 -0500
  
   And, if one does NOT print them on reports, one will be
   answering questions of the But the name's wrong on that
   deed variety.
  
   And, recording 36 different AKAs on 200 different people
   gets a bit tricky too as one deliberates on whether one
   includes qwsrf on father and both sons when it has been
   spotted only father and one son.
  
   Then too why bother inputting something you don't want to
   output?
  
   Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:
I was going to say “good point” to Cheryl’s
  comment but your
response is even “gooder”. Legacy makes these
  things all so
flexible for the user. Just gotta love a program that
  does that!
   
*From:*CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:01 PM
*To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
*Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG

Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[Ed Ladendorf]

Leo,

I'm pretty much a rookie, so keep that in mind while reading my reply.

Since he was often recorded as Ivan, I would list that as an AKA. This could 
help others find information that might not be found otherwise.

For your second question, I'll answer with how I handled a similar problem. As 
stated in my original post, my ancestor, Ladendorf, was listed as Lander in the 
1860 census. Under the AKAs, I listed Lander (1860 census) since I viewed 
this as an isolated instance. Others viewing this will immediately know this is 
an isolated case, and they will know where to find him in the 1860 census. I 
think this will work.




On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:51 PM, lio . likeitouts...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Thanks to everyone for your replies. I'm still fuzzy on it though.

 A Scottish ancestor's birth name was Ewen, but after a few years in Canada he 
 started going by Evan.

 So, I entered Evan as an AKA.

 Often he on documents he is recorded as Ivan. He never signs Ivan, but 
 others (perhaps having trouble with his Scottish accent) would record him as 
 Ivan.

 1. Would you record Ivan as an AKA? He never went by it, but was often 
 recorded as it.

 2. What about the times Ewen was recorded as Ewan or Ewon. Spelling 
 mistakes. Would you record Ewan and Ewon as an AKA?

 Sorry for asking my question again, but had to use some personal examples for 
 better understanding.

 Leo


  From: singh...@erols.com
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
  Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:28:50 -0500
 
  You could be right, of course.
 
  Cheryl
 
 
  CE WOOD wrote:
   The main reason for me to use many AKAs is the same as an
   earlier poster - so I can find information about someone
   when that person is referred to by one of his sometimes many
   AKAs. When searching the index of a book, say, knowing all
   the names a person has been called (not being funny here),
   makes it possible to know if that person has been mentioned
   in the book.
  
   For me, with thousands of medieval and earlier individuals,
   people were often a duke of this, an earl of that, a comet
   od the other, etc. The women too. These titles changed too;
   some were added, some were taken away by a king, then
   restored; some were called differently depending whether the
   author was Italian, French, Welsh, etc.
  
   Here's one with only a few AKAs that are very relevant when
   searching:
  
   England, AEthelwulf, King of
   Wessex, AEthelwulf, King of England and
   West Saxons, AEthelwulf, King of
  
  
   And then the women:
  
   Northumberland, AEthelreda of
   Allerdale, AEthelreda of
   Dunbar, AEthelreda of
   Dunbar, Octreda of
   Northumbria, Uchtreda of
  
   Northumbria, Sibyl Björnsdóttir of
   Bearsson, Sibylla
   Northumbria, AElfled of
   Northumbria, Suben Björnsdóttir of
  
   Don't get me listing all the Welsh and Celtic AKAs that you
   need to research any one individual in those lands!
  
   While I'm working on someone, I remember that, say, that:
  
   Clare, Gilbert the Red de
   -was also known as-
  
   Gloucester, 6th Earl Gilbert the Red de Clare, of
   -as well as-
  
   Hertford, 7th Earl Gilbert the Red de Clare, of
  
  
   But when I'm working on someone else, I may have forgotten,
   so when I come upon reference to the 6th Earl of Gloucester
   or the 7th Earl of Hertford, I can find out by a simple
   search of my index if this is someone I want know more about.
  
   I also use AKAs to have French royalty, say, listed together
   in the index with an AKA of France even if she had a last
   name. Of course, many of those were not known by a last
   name, she would be known as Marguerite of France, say.
  
   As far as that goes, the Plantagenets were never known as
   Plantagenets. That is a fabricated last name to help us.
   Edmund, Earl of Cambridge was also known as Edmund of
   Langley, as Edmund, Duke of York, but not as Edmund
   Plantagenet. It helps us to put in that he was the 1st Duke
   of York and to use Plantagenet as a last name, but
   Plantagenet of actually an AKA.
  
   All of this says nothing about the fact that English
   spelling was not standardized until the 1800s, American
   English even later. Read any early English or American wills
   for examples of spelling variations of the same word within
   the same document.
  
   To sum up, AKAs make research easier. What you want to put
   in your reports depends on your audience.
  
  
   CE
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   Cheers, Carolyn
  
From: singh...@erols.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 13:16:42 -0500
   
And, if one does NOT print them on reports, one will be
answering questions of the But the name's wrong on that
deed variety.
   
And, recording 36 different AKAs on 200 different people
gets a bit tricky too as one deliberates on whether one
includes qwsrf on father

Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[Graham Lambert]

Hi Leo,

I think this a is a very individual thing.

I record an AKA when my ancestors sometimes use their second name; other
instances are when they are known for example, as Jack or Jock for John.

Any of the very many spelling mistakes, I only record in the Notes.
But that's just me.

Graham

On 12/01/2014 9:51 AM, lio . wrote:
 Thanks to everyone for your replies. I'm still fuzzy on it though.

 A Scottish ancestor's birth name was Ewen, but after a few years in
 Canada he started going by Evan.

 So, I entered Evan as an AKA.

 Often he on documents he is recorded as Ivan. He never signs Ivan,
 but others (perhaps having trouble with his Scottish accent) would
 record him as Ivan.

 1. Would you record Ivan as an AKA? He never went by it, but was often
 recorded as it.

 2. What about the times Ewen was recorded as Ewan or Ewon. Spelling
 mistakes. Would you record Ewan and Ewon as an AKA?

 Sorry for asking my question again, but had to use some personal
 examples for better understanding.

 Leo




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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[Larry Lee]

Graham, et al,

I agree this usage is very much up to the user. However, I have found much
of my information from Ancestry.com based upon searches using misspelled
names, therefore, I keep them all. I use the name I am familiar with as the
preferred name but the rest are there if ever I need them with a note about
where and when the AKA was used.



Larry Lee
ldlee...@gmail.com



On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Graham Lambert gra...@bigpond.net.auwrote:

  Hi Leo,

 I think this a is a very individual thing.

 I record an AKA when my ancestors sometimes use their second name; other
 instances are when they are known for example, as Jack or Jock for John.

 Any of the very many spelling mistakes, I only record in the Notes. But
 that's just me.

 Graham

 On 12/01/2014 9:51 AM, lio . wrote:

 Thanks to everyone for your replies. I'm still fuzzy on it though.
 Â
 A Scottish ancestor's birth name was Ewen, but after a few years in
 Canada he started going by Evan.
 Â
 So, I entered Evan as an AKA.
 Â
 Often he on documents he is recorded as Ivan. He never signs Ivan, but
 others (perhaps having trouble with his Scottish accent) would record him
 as Ivan.
 Â
 1. Would you record Ivan as an AKA? He never went by it, but was often
 recorded as it.
 Â
 2. What about the times Ewen was recorded as Ewan or Ewon. Spelling
 mistakes. Would you record Ewan and Ewon as an AKA?

 Sorry for asking my question again, but had to use some personal examples
 for better understanding.
 Â
 Leo




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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[CE WOOD]

The main reason for me to use many AKAs is the same as an earlier poster - so I 
can find information about someone when that person is referred to by one of 
his sometimes many AKAs. When searching the index of a book, say, knowing all 
the names a person has been called (not being funny here), makes it possible to 
know if that person has been mentioned in the book.

For me, with thousands of medieval and earlier individuals, people were often a 
duke of this, an earl of that, a comet od the other, etc. The women too. These 
titles changed too; some were added, some were taken away by a king, then 
restored; some were called differently depending whether the author was 
Italian, French, Welsh, etc.

Here's one with only a few AKAs that are very relevant when searching:

England, AEthelwulf, King of
Wessex, AEthelwulf, King of England and
West Saxons, AEthelwulf, King of


And then the women:

Northumberland, AEthelreda of
Allerdale, AEthelreda of
Dunbar, AEthelreda of
Dunbar, Octreda of
Northumbria, Uchtreda of

Northumbria, Sibyl Björnsdóttir of
Bearsson, Sibylla
Northumbria, AElfled of
Northumbria, Suben Björnsdóttir of

Don't get me listing all the Welsh and Celtic AKAs that you need to research 
any one individual in those lands!

While I'm working on someone, I remember that, say, that:

Clare, Gilbert the Red de
-was also known as-

Gloucester, 6th Earl Gilbert the Red de Clare, of
-as well as-

Hertford, 7th Earl Gilbert the Red de Clare, of


But when I'm working on someone else, I may have forgotten, so when I come upon 
reference to the 6th Earl of Gloucester or the 7th Earl of Hertford, I can find 
out by a simple search of my index if this is someone I want know more about.

I also use AKAs to have French royalty, say, listed together in the index with 
an AKA of France even if she had a last name. Of course, many of those were not 
known by a last name, she would be known as Marguerite of France, say.

As far as that goes, the Plantagenets were never known as Plantagenets. That is 
a fabricated last name to help us. Edmund, Earl of Cambridge was also known as 
Edmund of Langley, as Edmund, Duke of York, but not as Edmund Plantagenet. It 
helps us to put in that he was the 1st Duke of York and to use Plantagenet as a 
last name, but Plantagenet of actually an AKA.

All of this says nothing about the fact that English spelling was not 
standardized until the 1800s, American English even later. Read any early 
English or American wills for examples of spelling variations of the same word 
within the same document.

To sum up, AKAs make research easier. What you want to put in your reports 
depends on your audience.


CE







Cheers,
Carolyn

 From: singh...@erols.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 13:16:42 -0500

 And, if one does NOT print them on reports, one will be
 answering questions of the But the name's wrong on that
 deed variety.

 And, recording 36 different AKAs on 200 different people
 gets a bit tricky too as one deliberates on whether one
 includes qwsrf on father and both sons when it has been
 spotted only father and one son.

 Then too why bother inputting something you don't want to
 output?

 Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:
  I was going to say “good point” to Cheryl’s comment but your
  response is even “gooder”. Legacy makes these things all so
  flexible for the user. Just gotta love a program that does that!
 
  *From:*CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com]
  *Sent:* Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:01 PM
  *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
 
  But whether AKAs print in reports is up to you because it is
  an option.
 
 
  CE
 
   From: singh...@erols.com mailto:singh...@erols.com
   To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
   Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
   Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 14:22:23 -0500
 
   Brian/Support wrote:
 
recorded in the source transcription but the AKA is a
  more visible place
to see that somewhere his name was recorded with that
  transcription error.
 
   Do I actually /want/ 36 variant surname spellings to be
   more visible in reports that cover 328 people would be a
   question to consider, though.
 
 
   Cheryl




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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[singhals]

You could be right, of course.

Cheryl


CE WOOD wrote:
 The main reason for me to use many AKAs is the same as an
 earlier poster - so I can find information about someone
 when that person is referred to by one of his sometimes many
 AKAs. When searching the index of a book, say, knowing all
 the names a person has been called (not being funny here),
 makes it possible to know if that person has been mentioned
 in the book.

 For me, with thousands of medieval and earlier individuals,
 people were often a duke of this, an earl of that, a comet
 od the other, etc. The women too. These titles changed too;
 some were added, some were taken away by a king, then
 restored; some were called differently depending whether the
 author was Italian, French, Welsh, etc.

 Here's one with only a few AKAs that are very relevant when
 searching:

 England, AEthelwulf, King of
 Wessex, AEthelwulf, King of England and
 West Saxons, AEthelwulf, King of


 And then the women:

 Northumberland, AEthelreda of
 Allerdale, AEthelreda of
 Dunbar, AEthelreda of
 Dunbar, Octreda of
 Northumbria, Uchtreda of

 Northumbria, Sibyl Björnsdóttir of
 Bearsson, Sibylla
 Northumbria, AElfled of
 Northumbria, Suben Björnsdóttir of

 Don't get me listing all the Welsh and Celtic AKAs that you
 need to research any one individual in those lands!

 While I'm working on someone, I remember that, say, that:

 Clare, Gilbert the Red de
 -was also known as-

 Gloucester, 6th Earl Gilbert the Red de Clare, of
 -as well as-

 Hertford, 7th Earl Gilbert the Red de Clare, of


 But when I'm working on someone else, I may have forgotten,
 so when I come upon reference to the 6th Earl of Gloucester
 or the 7th Earl of Hertford, I can find out by a simple
 search of my index if this is someone I want know more about.

 I also use AKAs to have French royalty, say, listed together
 in the index with an AKA of France even if she had a last
 name. Of course, many of those were not known by a last
 name, she would be known as Marguerite of France, say.

 As far as that goes, the Plantagenets were never known as
 Plantagenets. That is a fabricated last name to help us.
 Edmund, Earl of Cambridge was also known as Edmund of
 Langley, as Edmund, Duke of York, but not as Edmund
 Plantagenet. It helps us to put in that he was the 1st Duke
 of York and to use Plantagenet as a last name, but
 Plantagenet of actually an AKA.

 All of this says nothing about the fact that English
 spelling was not standardized until the 1800s, American
 English even later. Read any early English or American wills
 for examples of spelling variations of the same word within
 the same document.

 To sum up, AKAs make research easier. What you want to put
 in your reports depends on your audience.


 CE








 Cheers, Carolyn

   From: singh...@erols.com
   To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
   Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
   Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 13:16:42 -0500
  
   And, if one does NOT print them on reports, one will be
   answering questions of the But the name's wrong on that
   deed variety.
  
   And, recording 36 different AKAs on 200 different people
   gets a bit tricky too as one deliberates on whether one
   includes qwsrf on father and both sons when it has been
   spotted only father and one son.
  
   Then too why bother inputting something you don't want to
   output?
  
   Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:
I was going to say “good point” to Cheryl’s
 comment but your
response is even “gooder”. Legacy makes these
 things all so
flexible for the user. Just gotta love a program that
 does that!
   
*From:*CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:01 PM
*To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
*Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
   
But whether AKAs print in reports is up to you because
 it is
an option.
   
   
CE
   
From: singh...@erols.com mailto:singh...@erols.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 14:22:23 -0500
   
Brian/Support wrote:
   
 recorded in the source transcription but the AKA is a
more visible place
 to see that somewhere his name was recorded with that
transcription error.
   
Do I actually /want/ 36 variant surname spellings to be
more visible in reports that cover 328 people would be a
question to consider, though.
   
   
Cheryl
  




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[LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[Ed Ladendorf]

A direct line ancestor, Heinrich Ladendorf, has been found listed as Henry 
Lander in the 1860 census. He has also been found listed as H Ladendorff (an 
extra F), Henry Landenderf, etc. on different sources. There are several 
other variations.

Would you list every spelling you find, or just the ones where it is obvious 
they should be listed, i.e. Henry Lander or Henry Landenderf? Would you also do 
the same for those who are not direct line? Thanks for any direction. I'm 
trying to get it right this time.

Ed



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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[David Newton]

I think every alternate name that you come across should be recorded
together with the source where you came across it. These names do not
have to appear in Individual and Family Group reports but for anyone
following on from your research they could be very useful.

David


On 09/01/2014 11:57, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
 A direct line ancestor, Heinrich Ladendorf, has been found listed as
 Henry Lander in the 1860 census. He has also been found listed as H
 Ladendorff (an extra F), Henry Landenderf, etc. on different
 sources. There are several other variations.

 Would you list every spelling you find, or just the ones where it is
 obvious they should be listed, i.e. Henry Lander or Henry Landenderf?
 Would you also do the same for those who are not direct line? Thanks for
 any direction. I'm trying to get it right this time.

 Ed


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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[Michele/Support]

This is really a personal preference thing but I will tell you that I record 
ALL akas that I find in the records.  In your census example, I would record 
each one and I would use the specific census as the source for each AKA.  That 
way I can easily see how his name was recorded and where it was recorded that 
way.



Michele

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From: Ed Ladendorf [mailto:edladend...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2014 6:58 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs



A direct line ancestor, Heinrich Ladendorf, has been found listed as Henry 
Lander in the 1860 census. He has also been found listed as H Ladendorff (an 
extra F), Henry Landenderf, etc. on different sources. There are several 
other variations.



Would you list every spelling you find, or just the ones where it is obvious 
they should be listed, i.e. Henry Lander or Henry Landenderf? Would you also do 
the same for those who are not direct line? Thanks for any direction. I'm 
trying to get it right this time.



Ed



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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[Jenny M Benson]

On 09/01/2014 11:57, Ed Ladendorf wrote:
 A direct line ancestor, Heinrich Ladendorf, has been found listed as
 Henry Lander in the 1860 census. He has also been found listed as H
 Ladendorff (an extra F), Henry Landenderf, etc. on different
 sources. There are several other variations.

 Would you list every spelling you find, or just the ones where it is
 obvious they should be listed, i.e. Henry Lander or Henry Landenderf?
 Would you also do the same for those who are not direct line? Thanks for
 any direction. I'm trying to get it right this time.

I record EXACTLY WHAT I SEE, so when recording Heinrich's 1860 Census
entry I would record his name as Henry Lander (this would be part of the
entry in the Desc field) and if he was head of the household I would put
household of Henry Lander as part of the Source Detail.

What I would almost certainly NOT do is enter any of those names in the
AKA field, which I reserve for other names by which a person was
actually known, not for spelling errors, typos etc.  I know that if a
person is named, for example, John Clark, I need to look for Clark,
Clarke, Clerk - with all the variations of John - and if I cite a Source
where he is referred to as Jno Clarke I think anyone can see the
connection to John Clark.  If John Clarke is brought up by his
stepfather Mr Brown and regularly uses the name John Brown, then that is
an AKA and needs to be recorded as such.

--
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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[ChasH]

I customize the family view with AKA1 (1st alternate name) and AKA2 (2nd
alternate name), then I list all the different Given names and spellings
in AKA1 separating each with a space. (Heinrich Henry)I do the same for
Surnames in AKA2. (Ladendorff Landenderf) That way I can easily see all
the name variations used by the husband/wife on the family view. It
works for me.  Add sources to the Name as usual bolding the variation on
the source detail.
ChasH
On 1/9/2014 8:07 AM, Michele/Support wrote:

 This is really a personal preference thing but I will tell you that I
 record ALL akas that I find in the records.  In your census example, I
 would record each one and I would use the specific census as the
 source for each AKA.  That way I can easily see how his name was
 recorded and where it was recorded that way.

 Michele

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 *From:*Ed Ladendorf [mailto:edladend...@yahoo.com]
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2014 6:58 AM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

 A direct line ancestor, Heinrich Ladendorf, has been found listed as
 Henry Lander in the 1860 census. He has also been found listed as H
 Ladendorff (an extra F), Henry Landenderf, etc. on different
 sources. There are several other variations.

 Would you list every spelling you find, or just the ones where it is
 obvious they should be listed, i.e. Henry Lander or Henry Landenderf?
 Would you also do the same for those who are not direct line? Thanks
 for any direction. I'm trying to get it right this time.

 Ed



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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[singhals]

Ed Ladendorf wrote:
 A direct line ancestor, Heinrich Ladendorf, has been found
 listed as Henry Lander in the 1860 census. He has also been
 found listed as H Ladendorff (an extra F), Henry
 Landenderf, etc. on different sources. There are several
 other variations.

 Would you list every spelling you find, or just the ones
 where it is obvious they should be listed, i.e. Henry Lander
 or Henry Landenderf? Would you also do the same for those
 who are not direct line? Thanks for any direction. I'm
 trying to get it right this time.
.

Right is a tad subjective, though, Ed.  What's legally
right may not be logically right or even ethically
right, and what's right for family may not be right
for scholars or professional genealogists.

It also depends on where you're thinking of recording it.
In your SOURCES, you record what's on the document, period.
It's a bit more complex in family-view.

I tried entering people under the spelling on the document
and it created trees with 4 or 5 alternate parents, made
using the database unnecessarily challenging, and generally
wreaked havoc.  I decided life was too short. I went back to
entering it so I could FIND it again.

I have one surname for which I currently have 42
*documented* variant spellings.  That surname gets the
spelling my branch of the family has used since about 1830.
I don't want to see a printed list of those variants every
time I generate a report.

Cheryl







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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[Moe Crosby]

I record all the AKAs with the source. Not only for the sake of people 
following-up my research, but for myself!  There is nothing worse than being 
pretty sure about something, but not being able to find where the information 
came from!

On Thu, 1/9/14, Ed Ladendorf edladend...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Date: Thursday, January 9, 2014, 3:57 AM

 A direct line ancestor,
 Heinrich Ladendorf, has been found listed as Henry Lander in
 the 1860 census. He has also been found listed as H
 Ladendorff (an extra F), Henry Landenderf, etc.
 on different sources. There are several
 other variations.
 Would you list every spelling you find, or
 just the ones where it is obvious they should be listed,
 i.e. Henry Lander or Henry Landenderf? Would you
 also do the same for those who are not direct
 line? Thanks for any direction. I'm trying to get it
 right this time.
 Ed


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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[William Boswell]

I have always wondered about obvious misspellings of names from records such as 
the census.  I transcribe records myself if an image is available because some 
of the transcriptions I've found online are incorrect and completely destroy 
the spelling of names.  Should we include the misspellings as an AKA even if 
our interpretation differs from that of software or human transcriptions?  In 
the case of typewritten records, it is obvious to list the name as written even 
if it is known to be misspelled.



I always include all AKA's because it could be important in finding new 
records, but I am hesitant to include those that were transcribed wrong if an 
image clearly shows a different spelling.  I have to take into consideration, 
especially with the census records, that many misspellings could be attributed 
to the census taker and/or family member could not read or write or didn't know 
how to spell their own name.



Bill Boswell



From: Michele/Support [mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 9:07 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs



This is really a personal preference thing but I will tell you that I record 
ALL akas that I find in the records.  In your census example, I would record 
each one and I would use the specific census as the source for each AKA.  That 
way I can easily see how his name was recorded and where it was recorded that 
way.



Michele

Technical Support

mich...@legacyfamilytree.com

www.LegacyFamilyTree.com



From: Ed Ladendorf [mailto:edladend...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2014 6:58 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs



A direct line ancestor, Heinrich Ladendorf, has been found listed as Henry 
Lander in the 1860 census. He has also been found listed as H Ladendorff (an 
extra F), Henry Landenderf, etc. on different sources. There are several 
other variations.



Would you list every spelling you find, or just the ones where it is obvious 
they should be listed, i.e. Henry Lander or Henry Landenderf? Would you also do 
the same for those who are not direct line? Thanks for any direction. I'm 
trying to get it right this time.



Ed









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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[Michele/Support]

This is a totally different question.   Ancestry.com is the worse.  If the 
index says Joan Davis but I clearly see John Davies on the actual page, I 
record the name as John Davies.  I don’t care what the indexer wrote.  This 
happens all the time.



On your other point, I would be careful making assumptions about how a name 
should be spelled, especially on census records.  Yes, people were illiterate 
and census takers could be in a hurry.  A neighbor could have been the one to 
provide the information.  You just never know.



However… I have a person in my file named Henry Pinkney McMichael.  Henry is a 
girl.  If you were to look on Ancestry.com many people have her as Henrietta 
because they ASSUME that must have been her real name.  All of the census 
takers had to have been wrong, right?  How about a Bible entry written by her 
own mother where she recorded the name as Henry.   Never assume.



Another example, my great grandmother was named Corrine.  Or, was it Corine, 
Corinne, Corean?  You tell me.  I record it every way I see because I have no 
way to know how SHE spelled it (or her mother at the time of her birth).





Michele

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From: William Boswell [mailto:whbosw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2014 11:29 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs



I have always wondered about obvious misspellings of names from records such as 
the census.  I transcribe records myself if an image is available because some 
of the transcriptions I've found online are incorrect and completely destroy 
the spelling of names.  Should we include the misspellings as an AKA even if 
our interpretation differs from that of software or human transcriptions?  In 
the case of typewritten records, it is obvious to list the name as written even 
if it is known to be misspelled.



I always include all AKA's because it could be important in finding new 
records, but I am hesitant to include those that were transcribed wrong if an 
image clearly shows a different spelling.  I have to take into consideration, 
especially with the census records, that many misspellings could be attributed 
to the census taker and/or family member could not read or write or didn't know 
how to spell their own name.



Bill Boswell




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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[Brian/Support]

If the person is indexed under the name, incorrect as it may be, how
will you find them again in other places which derive their data from
the original place which contains the error without having recorded that
spelling error as an AKA? Yes you said you put the name as it was
recorded in the source transcription but the AKA is a more visible place
to see that somewhere his name was recorded with that transcription error.

Brian
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On 09-Jan-2014 9:20 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote:
snip

 What I would almost certainly NOT do is enter any of those names in the
 AKA field, which I reserve for other names by which a person was
 actually known, not for spelling errors, typos etc.  I know that if a
 person is named, for example, John Clark, I need to look for Clark,
 Clarke, Clerk - with all the variations of John - and if I cite a Source
 where he is referred to as Jno Clarke I think anyone can see the
 connection to John Clark.  If John Clarke is brought up by his
 stepfather Mr Brown and regularly uses the name John Brown, then that is
 an AKA and needs to be recorded as such.




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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[William Boswell]

Thanks.  I know about Ancestry.com.  I believe they use software to transcribe 
most of their records which is why I don't trust their transcriptions.  If no 
image is available with the transcription, it gets a low-star rating from me 
until I find something better.



I guess I should have been clearer on this.  I was talking about people I knew 
like my great aunts and uncles and those who share my last name or that I knew. 
 I've seen Boswell spelled as BOSWENN.  I know that to be wrong, but I listed 
it as an AKA anyway.  I've only found this at Ancestry.com.



In that same census record, many of the first names were wrong too and I've 
seen this error get transferred over to other people's trees.  Johanna was 
listed as Josephine.  This one is typed so it had to be listed in my AKA's.  
This could have been converted from handwritten to typewritten after the census 
was taken and transcribed wrong at that time.  I can't imagine the census taker 
had a typewriter with him/her at the time.



Bill Boswell



From: Michele/Support [mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:19 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs



This is a totally different question.   Ancestry.com is the worse.  If the 
index says Joan Davis but I clearly see John Davies on the actual page, I 
record the name as John Davies.  I don’t care what the indexer wrote.  This 
happens all the time.



On your other point, I would be careful making assumptions about how a name 
should be spelled, especially on census records.  Yes, people were illiterate 
and census takers could be in a hurry.  A neighbor could have been the one to 
provide the information.  You just never know.



However… I have a person in my file named Henry Pinkney McMichael.  Henry is a 
girl.  If you were to look on Ancestry.com many people have her as Henrietta 
because they ASSUME that must have been her real name.  All of the census 
takers had to have been wrong, right?  How about a Bible entry written by her 
own mother where she recorded the name as Henry.   Never assume.



Another example, my great grandmother was named Corrine.  Or, was it Corine, 
Corinne, Corean?  You tell me.  I record it every way I see because I have no 
way to know how SHE spelled it (or her mother at the time of her birth).





Michele

Technical Support

mich...@legacyfamilytree.com

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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

I’m wondering if all those that responded saying that they record every AKA 
along with the source where they found it really mean that they record every 
common variation of a name. What I mean specifically if someone’s given name 
was Robert,  do they record an instance of Bob, and Bobbie, and Rob, and 
Robbie. If the name was Franklin, do they record Frank and Frankie? So far I’ve 
tended to ignore these common variations as additional AKAs and have only 
recorded the unusual ones such as “Stretch”, “Slim”, “Bones”, etc. It just 
seems to me that if you record each and every instance of a spelling variation 
that you find, you end up with a family file that is grossly inflated in sheer 
numbers. I guess what I’m getting at is there has to be a little common sense 
applied here. For example, if you do a search for someone named Robert on 
FamilySeach, it will automatically include all those common variations to 
include Rob, Bob, etc.





Brian in CA



From: Ed Ladendorf [mailto:edladend...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 3:58 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs



A direct line ancestor, Heinrich Ladendorf, has been found listed as Henry 
Lander in the 1860 census. He has also been found listed as H Ladendorff (an 
extra F), Henry Landenderf, etc. on different sources. There are several 
other variations.



Would you list every spelling you find, or just the ones where it is obvious 
they should be listed, i.e. Henry Lander or Henry Landenderf? Would you also do 
the same for those who are not direct line? Thanks for any direction. I'm 
trying to get it right this time.



Ed








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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[William Boswell]

That is true about an inflated family file and all those variations.



For abbreviations like Robt (Robert) and Jno (John), I normally spell them out 
since they're obvious.  Something like Hattie (I have a lot of Hattie's) or 
Fannie I have to assume are nicknames so I have to list them.  Sometimes the 
records show different spellings of the name or the middle name is used for a 
first name.  I had this with one ancestor and discovered that because he used 
his middle name (Mathew) as a first name and his first name (Ignatius) as his 
middle, his wife had a problem receiving his pension money because they thought 
it was a different person.  In that case, I listed his name switch because he 
did this often in the records.



Bill Boswell



From: Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:45 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs



I’m wondering if all those that responded saying that they record every AKA 
along with the source where they found it really mean that they record every 
common variation of a name. What I mean specifically if someone’s given name 
was Robert,  do they record an instance of Bob, and Bobbie, and Rob, and 
Robbie. If the name was Franklin, do they record Frank and Frankie? So far I’ve 
tended to ignore these common variations as additional AKAs and have only 
recorded the unusual ones such as “Stretch”, “Slim”, “Bones”, etc. It just 
seems to me that if you record each and every instance of a spelling variation 
that you find, you end up with a family file that is grossly inflated in sheer 
numbers. I guess what I’m getting at is there has to be a little common sense 
applied here. For example, if you do a search for someone named Robert on 
FamilySeach, it will automatically include all those common variations to 
include Rob, Bob, etc.





Brian in CA






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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[MikeFry]

On 2014/01/09 19:18, Michele/Support wrote:

 This is a totally different question.   Ancestry.com is the worse.  If the 
 index
 says Joan Davis but I clearly see John Davies on the actual page, I record the
 name as John Davies.  I don’t care what the indexer wrote. This happens all 
 the
 time.

And without a correction to the transcription (which Ancestry _NEVER_ do) how is
someone else going to find the record?

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)



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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[Jenny M Benson]

On 09/01/2014 17:19, Brian/Support wrote:
 If the person is indexed under the name, incorrect as it may be, how
 will you find them again in other places which derive their data from
 the original place which contains the error without having recorded that
 spelling error as an AKA? Yes you said you put the name as it was
 recorded in the source transcription but the AKA is a more visible place
 to see that somewhere his name was recorded with that transcription error.

It may be more visible there, but in my view it implies that the person
WAS KNOWN by that different version of the name, which is not so.

I have one instance in my database where a whole family was listed in
the Census with the wrong surname.  (Probably an error of the Enumerator
made when copying from the original forms to the books which we see.)
It would cause no end of confusion if I implied that the Ashworths were
also known as the Birtwistles.  On the other hand, I have a family where
the father and several children were known for some years as Dinnage
rather than Pitt and so they have Dinnage recorded as an AKA.

--
Jenny M Benson



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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[Jenny M Benson]

On 09/01/2014 18:22, MikeFry wrote:
 This is a totally different question.   Ancestry.com is the worse.  If the 
 index
 says Joan Davis but I clearly see John Davies on the actual page, I record 
 the
 name as John Davies.  I don’t care what the indexer wrote. This happens all 
 the
 time.
 And without a correction to the transcription (which Ancestry_NEVER_  do) how 
 is
 someone else going to find the record?

The same way I found it!

I would record what I see on the image, not an incorrect transcription
made by someone else.  I also record the precise details of where the
record was found so anyone else wanting to find what I found can either
use the information I provide in my Source Citation or can search from
scratch the way I did, using wild cards, intelligent guesses,
imagination ... whatever it takes.

--
Jenny M Benson



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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[William Boswell]

And without a correction to the transcription (which Ancestry _NEVER_ do) how 
is someone else going to find the record?

Probably the same way everybody else finds it--spelling the name correctly.  
That's how I found most of the records with misspelled names.  In a few cases, 
I didn't find the record and only found it by accident when looking for 
somebody else.  If the sources are cited properly, someone should be able to 
find the record again.  Just because an online indexer couldn't spell or was in 
a hurry, why should we list it wrong if an image clearly shows the correct 
spelling or a spelling variation?

Bill Boswell


-Original Message-
From: MikeFry [mailto:emjay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 1:23 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

On 2014/01/09 19:18, Michele/Support wrote:

 This is a totally different question.   Ancestry.com is the worse.  If the 
 index
 says Joan Davis but I clearly see John Davies on the actual page, I
 record the name as John Davies.  I don t care what the indexer wrote.
 This happens all the time.

And without a correction to the transcription (which Ancestry _NEVER_ do) how 
is someone else going to find the record?

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)




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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[singhals]

Brian/Support wrote:

 recorded in the source transcription but the AKA is a more visible place
 to see that somewhere his name was recorded with that transcription error.

Do I actually /want/ 36 variant surname spellings to be
more visible in reports that cover 328 people would be a
question to consider, though.


Cheryl



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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[CE WOOD]

But whether AKAs print in reports is up to you because it is an option.

CE


 From: singh...@erols.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
 Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 14:22:23 -0500

 Brian/Support wrote:

  recorded in the source transcription but the AKA is a more visible place
  to see that somewhere his name was recorded with that transcription error.

 Do I actually /want/ 36 variant surname spellings to be
 more visible in reports that cover 328 people would be a
 question to consider, though.


 Cheryl


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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

I was going to say “good point” to Cheryl’s comment but your response is even 
“gooder”. Legacy makes these things all so flexible for the user. Just gotta 
love a program that does that!



From: CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:01 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs



But whether AKAs print in reports is up to you because it is an option.


CE



 From: singh...@erols.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
 Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 14:22:23 -0500

 Brian/Support wrote:

  recorded in the source transcription but the AKA is a more visible place
  to see that somewhere his name was recorded with that transcription error.

 Do I actually /want/ 36 variant surname spellings to be
 more visible in reports that cover 328 people would be a
 question to consider, though.


 Cheryl








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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

[Michele/Support]

I do :)  It gives me a better idea of what the person actually went by.


Michele
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From: Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2014 12:45 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

I’m wondering if all those that responded saying that they record every AKA 
along with the source where they found it really mean that they record every 
common variation of a name. What I mean specifically if someone’s given name 
was Robert,  do they record an instance of Bob, and Bobbie, and Rob, and 
Robbie. If the name was Franklin, do they record Frank and Frankie? So far I’ve 
tended to ignore these common variations as additional AKAs and have only 
recorded the unusual ones such as “Stretch”, “Slim”, “Bones”, etc. It just 
seems to me that if you record each and every instance of a spelling variation 
that you find, you end up with a family file that is grossly inflated in sheer 
numbers. I guess what I’m getting at is there has to be a little common sense 
applied here. For example, if you do a search for someone named Robert on 
FamilySeach, it will automatically include all those common variations to 
include Rob, Bob, etc.


Brian in CA




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