Re: [LegacyUG] Help Files - Search Function
On 2012/01/22 04:07, Jerry wrote: Thanks, I'll try working with it some more. But I can remember when the Windows help files were first developed - you could literally search for every instance in which a word of phrase was used. For example, if searching for error 3260, why would you not be able to bring that up similar to a Google search? It just does not work that way with the help files apparently, so the result is you have to read through lots of stuff to find what you are looking for and then sometimes you don't find it. Being a Help File author myself, albeit on a much smaller scale, I think I can partly answer that. When the Legacy7.chm file is created, the author gets the option to create various Panel within the view panel: Contents, Index, Search and Favourites. The Contents panel is, for some reason that escapes me, not used in Legacy. This should present a list of the topics in the file, in the form of a Table of Contents found in a book. This should definitely be introduced and replace the pitiful Legacy Help Contents topic that comes up as default topic when the file is first opened. The Index Panel is derived from those words in the file that the author thinks merit the ability to be found. Not all words get into the index. The author has some control over what goes into the index. continuing the analogy, this is to be thought of like the index normally found at the back of a book. The content of the Favourites panel is derived from you own input. Here you can create a list of those topics that you use most often. And then there's the Search panel, which has been discussed fairly recently. I have available, a small Help file from Microsoft that is concerned only with how to use the Search facility. I think I'll put the file onto my website and post the url here if that's all right with people. If not, a private message to me might result in a direct mailing of the file. Don't expect an immediate response, I'd like to send the file to multiple people once or twice, rather than multiple times to individuals. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Help Files - Search Function
On 1/22/2012 2:16 AM, Mike Fry wrote: The Contents panel is, for some reason that escapes me, not used in Legacy. This should present a list of the topics in the file, in the form of a Table of Contents found in a book. This should definitely be introduced and replace the pitiful Legacy Help Contents topic that comes up as default topic when the file is first opened. The Index Panel is derived from those words in the file that the author thinks merit the ability to be found. Not all words get into the index. The author has some control over what goes into the index. continuing the analogy, this is to be thought of like the index normally found at the back of a book. The content of the Favourites panel is derived from you own input. Here you can create a list of those topics that you use most often. I really like what Dennis has for his help file. It is a online wiki. It would look nice on the Online Legacy help pages: http://ltoolshelp.zippersoftware.com/index.php#2-en For the original authors website, and by the way it is open source http://richardbondi.net/ Demo: http://wikiwebhelp.org/#2-en Tim Rosenlof Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Help Files - Search Function
In the Help file, click on the Search tab and enter the search term you wish to use. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Jerry jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way in the help files to bring up every instance in which a word or phrase is used? Several years ago, this was the beauty of the Windows' environment help menu system. It seems that everybody is getting away from how well it used to work. I already have the printed manual, but it would be nice if there was a fully-searchable online help file system in place. -- Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Help Files - Search Function
Thanks, Sherry, but even though it says search, it is still a table of contents, not really an index. The first tab is not really an index either, but that is the way with the Windows world now. You used to be able to search for every instance in which a word was used, but no more. If the complete help file would produced as a pdf and fully searchable by every single word of phrase, therefore, that would be a good thing. Anyway, I'm looking for the meaning of the error code 3260, which occurred when I was running a potential problems list. Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 1/21/2012 5:57 PM, Sherry/Support wrote: In the Help file, click on the Search tab and enter the search term you wish to use. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Jerryjerrysemailgro...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way in the help files to bring up every instance in which a word or phrase is used? Several years ago, this was the beauty of the Windows' environment help menu system. It seems that everybody is getting away from how well it used to work. I already have the printed manual, but it would be nice if there was a fully-searchable online help file system in place. -- Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Help Files - Search Function
Jerry, try what Sherry said. I clicked on the Search tab and entered ancestor It produce a list of 89 help pages by rank, which contain the word ancestor at least once. Double click on an item in the list to see the word(s) highlighted on the help page. You can also click on the Title heading or the Rank heading to change the way the list is sorted. Rank # 24 had 4 occurrences of ancestor Laird On 1/21/2012 7:15 PM, Jerry wrote: Thanks, Sherry, but even though it says search, it is still a table of contents, not really an index. The first tab is not really an index either, but that is the way with the Windows world now. You used to be able to search for every instance in which a word was used, but no more. If the complete help file would produced as a pdf and fully searchable by every single word of phrase, therefore, that would be a good thing. Anyway, I'm looking for the meaning of the error code 3260, which occurred when I was running a potential problems list. Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 1/21/2012 5:57 PM, Sherry/Support wrote: In the Help file, click on the Search tab and enter the search term you wish to use. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Jerryjerrysemailgro...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way in the help files to bring up every instance in which a word or phrase is used? Several years ago, this was the beauty of the Windows' environment help menu system. It seems that everybody is getting away from how well it used to work. I already have the printed manual, but it would be nice if there was a fully-searchable online help file system in place. -- Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Help Files - Search Function
Kerry, I'm fairly certain the error codes are not covered in the help files. You need to go to the Legacy site to look up the error codes. Ron Bernier On Saturday, January 21, 2012, Jerry jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, I'll try working with it some more. But I can remember when the Windows help files were first developed - you could literally search for every instance in which a word of phrase was used. For example, if searching for error 3260, why would you not be able to bring that up similar to a Google search? It just does not work that way with the help files apparently, so the result is you have to read through lots of stuff to find what you are looking for and then sometimes you don't find it. Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 1/21/2012 7:39 PM, Laird wrote: Jerry, try what Sherry said. I clicked on the Search tab and entered ancestor It produce a list of 89 help pages by rank, which contain the word ancestor at least once. Double click on an item in the list to see the word(s) highlighted on the help page. You can also click on the Title heading or the Rank heading to change the way the list is sorted. Rank # 24 had 4 occurrences of ancestor Laird On 1/21/2012 7:15 PM, Jerry wrote: Thanks, Sherry, but even though it says search, it is still a table of contents, not really an index. The first tab is not really an index either, but that is the way with the Windows world now. You used to be able to search for every instance in which a word was used, but no more. If the complete help file would produced as a pdf and fully searchable by every single word of phrase, therefore, that would be a good thing. Anyway, I'm looking for the meaning of the error code 3260, which occurred when I was running a potential problems list. Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 1/21/2012 5:57 PM, Sherry/Support wrote: In the Help file, click on the Search tab and enter the search term you wish to use. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Jerryjerrysemailgro...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way in the help files to bring up every instance in which a word or phrase is used? Several years ago, this was the beauty of the Windows' environment help menu system. It seems that everybody is getting away from how well it used to work. I already have the printed manual, but it would be nice if there was a fully-searchable online help file system in place. -- Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Help Files - Search Function
Yes, I just found what I was looking for on the website, but strange that they would not just go ahead and put it in the help file itself. Thanks! Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 1/21/2012 9:15 PM, Ron Bernier wrote: Kerry, I'm fairly certain the error codes are not covered in the help files. You need to go to the Legacy site to look up the error codes. Ron Bernier On Saturday, January 21, 2012, Jerry jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, I'll try working with it some more. But I can remember when the Windows help files were first developed - you could literally search for every instance in which a word of phrase was used. For example, if searching for error 3260, why would you not be able to bring that up similar to a Google search? It just does not work that way with the help files apparently, so the result is you have to read through lots of stuff to find what you are looking for and then sometimes you don't find it. Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 1/21/2012 7:39 PM, Laird wrote: Jerry, try what Sherry said. I clicked on the Search tab and entered ancestor It produce a list of 89 help pages by rank, which contain the word ancestor at least once. Double click on an item in the list to see the word(s) highlighted on the help page. You can also click on the Title heading or the Rank heading to change the way the list is sorted. Rank # 24 had 4 occurrences of ancestor Laird On 1/21/2012 7:15 PM, Jerry wrote: Thanks, Sherry, but even though it says search, it is still a table of contents, not really an index. The first tab is not really an index either, but that is the way with the Windows world now. You used to be able to search for every instance in which a word was used, but no more. If the complete help file would produced as a pdf and fully searchable by every single word of phrase, therefore, that would be a good thing. Anyway, I'm looking for the meaning of the error code 3260, which occurred when I was running a potential problems list. Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 1/21/2012 5:57 PM, Sherry/Support wrote: In the Help file, click on the Search tab and enter the search term you wish to use. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Jerryjerrysemailgro...@gmail.com mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.comwrote: Is there any way in the help files to bring up every instance in which a word or phrase is used? Several years ago, this was the beauty of the Windows' environment help menu system. It seems that everybody is getting away from how well it used to work. I already have the printed manual, but it would be nice if there was a fully-searchable online help file system in place. -- Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server
RE: [LegacyUG] Help Files - Search Function
Sorry, I meant to type Jerry - I hate auto correct on my iPhone :) From: Ron Bernier [mailto:ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net] Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:16 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help Files - Search Function Kerry, I'm fairly certain the error codes are not covered in the help files. You need to go to the Legacy site to look up the error codes. Ron Bernier On Saturday, January 21, 2012, Jerry jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, I'll try working with it some more. But I can remember when the Windows help files were first developed - you could literally search for every instance in which a word of phrase was used. For example, if searching for error 3260, why would you not be able to bring that up similar to a Google search? It just does not work that way with the help files apparently, so the result is you have to read through lots of stuff to find what you are looking for and then sometimes you don't find it. Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 1/21/2012 7:39 PM, Laird wrote: Jerry, try what Sherry said. I clicked on the Search tab and entered ancestor It produce a list of 89 help pages by rank, which contain the word ancestor at least once. Double click on an item in the list to see the word(s) highlighted on the help page. You can also click on the Title heading or the Rank heading to change the way the list is sorted. Rank # 24 had 4 occurrences of ancestor Laird On 1/21/2012 7:15 PM, Jerry wrote: Thanks, Sherry, but even though it says search, it is still a table of contents, not really an index. The first tab is not really an index either, but that is the way with the Windows world now. You used to be able to search for every instance in which a word was used, but no more. If the complete help file would produced as a pdf and fully searchable by every single word of phrase, therefore, that would be a good thing. Anyway, I'm looking for the meaning of the error code 3260, which occurred when I was running a potential problems list. Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 1/21/2012 5:57 PM, Sherry/Support wrote: In the Help file, click on the Search tab and enter the search term you wish to use. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Jerryjerrysemailgro...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way in the help files to bring up every instance in which a word or phrase is used? Several years ago, this was the beauty of the Windows' environment help menu system. It seems that everybody is getting away from how well it used to work. I already have the printed manual, but it would be nice if there was a fully-searchable online help file system in place. -- Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree
Re: [LegacyUG] Help Files - Search Function
No problem - I made two typos in a hurried message to Sherry. I found out how to resolve that potential problems report thanks to the information on the website. Thanks! --Jerry On 01/21/2012 09:27 PM, Ron Bernier wrote: Sorry, I meant to type Jerry - I hate auto correct on my iPhone :) *From:*Ron Bernier [mailto:ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net] *Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:16 PM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Help Files - Search Function Kerry, I'm fairly certain the error codes are not covered in the help files. You need to go to the Legacy site to look up the error codes. Ron Bernier On Saturday, January 21, 2012, Jerry jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, I'll try working with it some more. But I can remember when the Windows help files were first developed - you could literally search for every instance in which a word of phrase was used. For example, if searching for error 3260, why would you not be able to bring that up similar to a Google search? It just does not work that way with the help files apparently, so the result is you have to read through lots of stuff to find what you are looking for and then sometimes you don't find it. Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 1/21/2012 7:39 PM, Laird wrote: Jerry, try what Sherry said. I clicked on the Search tab and entered ancestor It produce a list of 89 help pages by rank, which contain the word ancestor at least once. Double click on an item in the list to see the word(s) highlighted on the help page. You can also click on the Title heading or the Rank heading to change the way the list is sorted. Rank # 24 had 4 occurrences of ancestor Laird On 1/21/2012 7:15 PM, Jerry wrote: Thanks, Sherry, but even though it says search, it is still a table of contents, not really an index. The first tab is not really an index either, but that is the way with the Windows world now. You used to be able to search for every instance in which a word was used, but no more. If the complete help file would produced as a pdf and fully searchable by every single word of phrase, therefore, that would be a good thing. Anyway, I'm looking for the meaning of the error code 3260, which occurred when I was running a potential problems list. Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 1/21/2012 5:57 PM, Sherry/Support wrote: In the Help file, click on the Search tab and enter the search term you wish to use. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Jerryjerrysemailgro...@gmail.com mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way in the help files to bring up every instance in which a word or phrase is used? Several years ago, this was the beauty of the Windows' environment help menu system. It seems that everybody is getting away from how well it used to work. I already have the printed manual, but it would be nice if there was a fully-searchable online help file system in place. -- Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http
RE: [LegacyUG] Help files
Betty, I came also from the FTM background before using Legacy. I used FTM from version 6 through to FTM2005. When I tried the upgrade to FTM2008 I realised it was a major backward step as it dropped some major functionality I had been using on a regular basis. I switched to Legacy and found there was a learning curve in order to use it fully. It was at this point I realised I had a similar learning curve when I first used FTM, so I persevered. I have found Legacy to have more functionality than the FTM versions I had used and it lent itself to a better discipline in standardisation of sources and locations. For me, the learning curve was well worth the trip. Alan Pereira From: BF [mailto:b.fri...@yahoo.com] Sent: 07 January 2012 17:45 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Jennie, I've been doing genealogy for 20+ yrs and basically only used FTM; don't like their association with ancestry.com. Legacy sounded good, and the good things I like, but as someone said 'I would rather be doing genealogy than learning how to program Legacy.' I will be bored silly going through 'just the 6th' video most of which I know or I'm not interested in and won't rem anyway; I would need to go through them again NEXT TIME I have a question. Don't suppose those videos have an index of their content? Will they tell me the purpose of RINs and MRINs and if I must use them. I think I saw somewhere that the answer is yes. Why reports print with 'born on Jan 3, 1873' died on Sep 8, 1828...? When you're reading a long report the ONs really pop. Doubt if there is a way to delete them unless it’s done manually, if that’s possible. I would like to find what I want to know when I want to know about it - like an online index - one might expect to find in Help. It seems that there are 'correct words' when you're searching for something, and I think it was you who told me - about another problem that may have been 'married someone Jane Doe' thing in a report - that things had to be entered in a certain order! That was a shocker, is it in videos? Too bad there isn't a standard Legacy edition that's complete and ready to use for those of us who just want to enter our family files with the good features, and then leave the in-the-works edition that can be tweaked to suit your multitude of interests for the nitty-gritty-look-under-every-leaf folks who are into that. This UG seems to be the only place to get answers, but frequently they come with the ‘you should have known that’ attitude. When I google, I only get Legacy sites. When I search the archives I get a collection of unrelated to the subject entries. They seem to be sorted by subject not by content, so what I’m looking for may be in some unrelated subject that doesn't pull up. Seems there just isn’t a good place to find a quick answer? We need a Legacy for Dummies book – online. Those books don’t usually assume you already know answers to everything leading up to your question, AND they have an index. I'm thinking when I finish this, nearly done 2,000 people project, I will need to copy the report into Word and edit it. If that's possible. I have to print a report for the man who doesn't use a computer, otherwise some of these 'problems' I have might not exist. Frustrated? Yes. Betty FL _ From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files On 07/01/2012 14:20, BF wrote: Why is Help so unhelpful! I'm always frustrated by trying to find a n y t h i n g in Help. When I do find an answer it starts somewhere after the beginning, so I don't know where to find it. As some of the things you are looking for are really rather basic you might find it helpful to take a step back and do some general learning to broaden your knowledge of the program. This may seem time-consuming when you are wanting to get on with entering your family members and sharing Reports, but it really will save you time - and frustration! - in the long run. For example, if you worked through the Tutorials (see the Content menu under Help) you would have learned all about the Marriage Information screen, including indicating that a couple had no children, in just the 6th exercise. There are also a good selection of tutorial Videos available. You have to purchase these to get the full benefit, but even just the previews can teach you a lot. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com
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OMG!!! Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: BF Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 2:09 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Yeah... :-) you have a fan club, Ron. And I know Jennie is a participant too. From: Shirley Richardson shirleyr...@clear.net.nz To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files I'll second that Betty. But maybe a knighthood? Sir Ron has a certain ring to it. Cheers Shirley NZ - Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Thanks, Betty, but I think I’ll stick to websites and leave the heavy lifting to somebody else – it’s my arthritis that does it! Ron Ferguson, http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: BF Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 11:02 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Ron, your answers are always THE best. I look forward to the Ferguson Genealogy Software! Betty FL -- From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Gene, I think that you are, perhaps, being a little unfair, surely a pen rather than a pencil ! Seriously though, I think that we should realise that for a newcomer to the program, Legacy does have a pretty steep learning curve – and with all the new stuff it’s getting steeper. Even 10 years or so ago, when I first used the program, I did, like Jenny, spend quite some time messing around, and right and left clicking just about everything I thought clickable. When I had some idea as to how it worked then I stopped using the Sample files, and started to put my own stuff in. It is not unreasonable to expect someone to have looked at the Help Files before asking a question on the List, but like for the OP of this thread, sometimes the required answer does not pop up, or if it does it is not clear. Or it may be that what one wishes to do cannot be done, but without asking the question one will never know. I admit to being one of those who is more likely than not to give a brief answer, maybe just showing the path to finding a facility that is needed, in the belief that a person best learns by following the process through rather than being spoon fed and remembering nothing. It certainly is not because I wish to give the impression “that you should have known this”. It is always open to the poster to come back for details, and, indeed, I deal with many follow-ups off-list. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Gene Adams Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 7:29 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Amen to that Jenny. If one can not be bothered with how the programs work...then maybe their best tool is a pencil and paper. Gene -- From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files but as someone said 'I would rather be doing genealogy than learning how to program Legacy.' I really think that person was taking the wrong approach. Of course it's perfectly possible to do genealogy without learning to program (I would prefer to use the word use in this context) - people did genealogy long before computers came on the scene. But if someone wants to take advantage of all the benefits of using a computer program they need to learn how to do so. It's possible to make lots of journeys by bus, train or on foot, but if you want the convenience of using your car you have to learn to drive it! I will be bored silly going through 'just the 6th' video most of which I know or I'm not interested in and won't rem anyway; I would need to go through them again NEXT TIME I have a question. Don't suppose those videos have an index of their content? I can't tell you a lot about the videos because I haven't been through them all myself. When I first started learning Legacy I used the Tutorials and referred back to them again several times. Too bad there isn't a standard Legacy edition that's complete and ready to use for those of us who just want to enter our family files with the good features, and then leave the in-the-works edition that can be tweaked to suit your multitude of interests for the nitty-gritty-look-under-every-leaf folks who are into that. There are 2 answers to that! One is that Legacy *does* offer a Standard edition and a DeLuxe edition with lots more
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Ron Ø I think that you are, perhaps, being a little unfair, surely a pen rather than a pencil Smile! Surely with genealogy, it can only be quill and parchment ... Kind Regards Mark Lang Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp image001.png
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From: Mark Lang Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 9:31 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Help files Ron Ø I think that you are, perhaps, being a little unfair, surely a pen rather than a pencil ! Surely with genealogy, it can only be quill and parchment ... Kind Regards Mark Lang But of course. what on earth was I thinking of! Many thanks, Mark. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp image001.png
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On 2012/01/07 16:20, BF wrote: To illustrate my point, here's what I got when I searched - For ‘gender unknown’ You're not searching for the phrase 'gender unknown', but all indexed occurrences of the two words 'gender' and 'unknown'. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Oh, do I have to search with ' ' enclosing? I'll try that. Thanks. From: Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files On 2012/01/07 16:20, BF wrote: To illustrate my point, here's what I got when I searched - For ‘gender unknown’ You're not searching for the phrase 'gender unknown', but all indexed occurrences of the two words 'gender' and 'unknown'. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Are you looking in the Index or Search tab? Single words are best. I'm not sure why you were looking for no children - what specifically were you hoping to find out? Using the Index tab for Gender, I was taken to the topic on the Information Screen and it says Gender Select the appropriate radio button. If you don't know the gender of the individual, select ? for unknown. (When you are editing an existing individual, these buttons may be grayed out if the person is already part of a marriage.) So yes, this topic *does* have something to do with your search because that's where you enter the gender of the individual. Don't discount a topic title because what you're looking for *is* discussed in those topics that come up Also - the Index shows Unknown Gender - which again takes you to the Information Screen topic Gender in the Search tab listed a lot more topics because it's an everyword search and may or may not apply as well as the topics in the Index tab. I also looked up gender unknown in the search tab and the same topic was in the list of suggestions. When you're in a window in Legacy and aren't sure what to do, just click on the Help button in that window and you'll be taken to the appropriate topic. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 6:20 AM, BF b.fri...@yahoo.com wrote: Why is Help so unhelpful! I'm always frustrated by trying to find a n y t h i n g in Help. When I do find an answer it starts somewhere after the beginning, so I don't know where to find it. I just spent 15 mins looking for 'no children.' A report said 'one daughter, no given name' because I had entered 'none' in red - the couple had no children. I searched for 'no children' needlessly. (And another 15-30 mins to try to find how to show 'unknown gender.') To illustrate my point, here's what I got when I searched - For ‘gender unknown’ Under Index Changing Gender Swapping Husband and Wife Under Search Add or Edit Event Definition User-Defined GEDCOM Tags Information Screen Colors Fonts Customize – Colors Custom GEDCOM Tags Does any of this have anything to do with 'gender unknown'? I didn't look because it doesn't seem to. Betty FL Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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On 1/7/2012 9:20 AM, BF wrote: Why is Help so unhelpful! I'm always frustrated by trying to find a n y t h i n g in Help. When I do find an answer it starts somewhere after the beginning, so I don't know where to find it. You are being too specific in your search. I just tried to search for no children by searching just children. In the list that was presented I scanned down to where I saw Marriage Information. I thought that it would be logical to find children information in a section on Marriage Information so I clicked on that. Right in the middle of the page, clear as day was; Had No Children If you have confirmed that this couple had no children, you can check the This Couple Had No Children box to indicate this. When this box is checked, the Child List on the Family View will show Had No Children. Start with a less specific search and refine it as you go. This applies to all search engines. -- Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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How to enter 'no chldn' so a report doesn't show - one dau, no name! From: Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Are you looking in the Index or Search tab? Single words are best. I'm not sure why you were looking for no children - what specifically were you hoping to find out? Using the Index tab for Gender, I was taken to the topic on the Information Screen and it says Gender Select the appropriate radio button. If you don't know the gender of the individual, select ? for unknown. (When you are editing an existing individual, these buttons may be grayed out if the person is already part of a marriage.) So yes, this topic *does* have something to do with your search because that's where you enter the gender of the individual. Don't discount a topic title because what you're looking for *is* discussed in those topics that come up Also - the Index shows Unknown Gender - which again takes you to the Information Screen topic Gender in the Search tab listed a lot more topics because it's an everyword search and may or may not apply as well as the topics in the Index tab. I also looked up gender unknown in the search tab and the same topic was in the list of suggestions. When you're in a window in Legacy and aren't sure what to do, just click on the Help button in that window and you'll be taken to the appropriate topic. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 6:20 AM, BF b.fri...@yahoo.com wrote: Why is Help so unhelpful! I'm always frustrated by trying to find a n y t h i n g in Help. When I do find an answer it starts somewhere after the beginning, so I don't know where to find it. I just spent 15 mins looking for 'no children.' A report said 'one daughter, no given name' because I had entered 'none' in red - the couple had no children. I searched for 'no children' needlessly. (And another 15-30 mins to try to find how to show 'unknown gender.') To illustrate my point, here's what I got when I searched - For ‘gender unknown’ Under Index Changing Gender Swapping Husband and Wife Under Search Add or Edit Event Definition User-Defined GEDCOM Tags Information Screen Colors Fonts Customize – Colors Custom GEDCOM Tags Does any of this have anything to do with 'gender unknown'? I didn't look because it doesn't seem to. Betty FL Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Thanks Gene, 'marriage info' would not have occurred to me to find no children. From: Gene Young n2...@cfl.rr.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files On 1/7/2012 9:20 AM, BF wrote: Why is Help so unhelpful! I'm always frustrated by trying to find a n y t h i n g in Help. When I do find an answer it starts somewhere after the beginning, so I don't know where to find it. You are being too specific in your search. I just tried to search for no children by searching just children. In the list that was presented I scanned down to where I saw Marriage Information. I thought that it would be logical to find children information in a section on Marriage Information so I clicked on that. Right in the middle of the page, clear as day was; Had No Children If you have confirmed that this couple had no children, you can check the This Couple Had No Children box to indicate this. When this box is checked, the Child List on the Family View will show Had No Children. Start with a less specific search and refine it as you go. This applies to all search engines. -- Gene Young Researching Young, Harer, Cox Sallada With Legacy Family Tree http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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If there aren't any children, don't add any. If you know for a fact that the couple never had any children, mark that option on the Marriage Information window. If there's a possibility of a child but you don't know any more, don't add any and don't mark the option on the Marriage Information window. If you suspect that the couple had children but don't know for sure, create a To-Do item to search for children. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 7:31 AM, BF b.fri...@yahoo.com wrote: How to enter 'no chldn' so a report doesn't show - one dau, no name! From: Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Are you looking in the Index or Search tab? Single words are best. I'm not sure why you were looking for no children - what specifically were you hoping to find out? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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On 07/01/2012 14:20, BF wrote: Why is Help so unhelpful! I'm always frustrated by trying to find a n y t h i n g in Help. When I do find an answer it starts somewhere after the beginning, so I don't know where to find it. As some of the things you are looking for are really rather basic you might find it helpful to take a step back and do some general learning to broaden your knowledge of the program. This may seem time-consuming when you are wanting to get on with entering your family members and sharing Reports, but it really will save you time - and frustration! - in the long run. For example, if you worked through the Tutorials (see the Content menu under Help) you would have learned all about the Marriage Information screen, including indicating that a couple had no children, in just the 6th exercise. There are also a good selection of tutorial Videos available. You have to purchase these to get the full benefit, but even just the previews can teach you a lot. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Sounds like you may have entered a nameless female child to this marriage. Producing no children IS a characteristic of the marriage... hence on the marriage screen / under the marriage info topic in help. I second the motion made by someone else on this list: use just one word in the Help, and since the program is so fully-functional, you might have to read a ways down in the description of a set of info / screen before you see the specific item you were looking for. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: BF b.fri...@yahoo.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sat, January 7, 2012 9:31:56 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files How to enter 'no chldn' so a report doesn't show - one dau, no name! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Help files
Jennie, I've been doing genealogy for 20+ yrs and basically only used FTM; don't like their association with ancestry.com. Legacy sounded good, and the good things I like, but as someone said 'I would rather be doing genealogy than learning how to program Legacy.' I will be bored silly going through 'just the 6th' video most of which I know or I'm not interested in and won't rem anyway; I would need to go through them again NEXT TIME I have a question. Don't suppose those videos have an index of their content? Will they tell me the purpose of RINs and MRINs and if I must use them. I think I saw somewhere that the answer is yes. Why reports print with 'born on Jan 3, 1873' died on Sep 8, 1828...? When you're reading a long report the ONs really pop. Doubt if there is a way to delete them unless it’s done manually, if that’s possible. I would like to find what I want to know when I want to know about it - like an online index - one might expect to find in Help. It seems that there are 'correct words' when you're searching for something, and I think it was you who told me - about another problem that may have been 'married someone Jane Doe' thing in a report - that things had to be entered in a certain order! That was a shocker, is it in videos? Too bad there isn't a standard Legacy edition that's complete and ready to use for those of us who just want to enter our family files with the good features, and then leave the in-the-works edition that can be tweaked to suit your multitude of interests for the nitty-gritty-look-under-every-leaf folks who are into that. This UG seems to be the only place to get answers, but frequently they come with the ‘you should have known that’ attitude. When I google, I only get Legacy sites. When I search the archives I get a collection of unrelated to the subject entries. They seem to be sorted by subject not by content, so what I’m looking for may be in some unrelated subject that doesn't pull up. Seems there just isn’t a good place to find a quick answer? We need a Legacy for Dummies book – online. Those books don’t usually assume you already know answers to everything leading up to your question, AND they have an index. I'm thinking when I finish this, nearly done 2,000 people project, I will need to copy the report into Word and edit it. If that's possible. I have to print a report for the man who doesn't use a computer, otherwise some of these 'problems' I have might not exist. Frustrated? Yes. Betty FL From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files On 07/01/2012 14:20, BF wrote: Why is Help so unhelpful! I'm always frustrated by trying to find a n y t h i n g in Help. When I do find an answer it starts somewhere after the beginning, so I don't know where to find it. As some of the things you are looking for are really rather basic you might find it helpful to take a step back and do some general learning to broaden your knowledge of the program. This may seem time-consuming when you are wanting to get on with entering your family members and sharing Reports, but it really will save you time - and frustration! - in the long run. For example, if you worked through the Tutorials (see the Content menu under Help) you would have learned all about the Marriage Information screen, including indicating that a couple had no children, in just the 6th exercise. There are also a good selection of tutorial Videos available. You have to purchase these to get the full benefit, but even just the previews can teach you a lot. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Help files
but as someone said 'I would rather be doing genealogy than learning how to program Legacy.' I really think that person was taking the wrong approach. Of course it's perfectly possible to do genealogy without learning to program (I would prefer to use the word use in this context) - people did genealogy long before computers came on the scene. But if someone wants to take advantage of all the benefits of using a computer program they need to learn how to do so. It's possible to make lots of journeys by bus, train or on foot, but if you want the convenience of using your car you have to learn to drive it! I will be bored silly going through 'just the 6th' video most of which I know or I'm not interested in and won't rem anyway; I would need to go through them again NEXT TIME I have a question. Don't suppose those videos have an index of their content? I can't tell you a lot about the videos because I haven't been through them all myself. When I first started learning Legacy I used the Tutorials and referred back to them again several times. Too bad there isn't a standard Legacy edition that's complete and ready to use for those of us who just want to enter our family files with the good features, and then leave the in-the-works edition that can be tweaked to suit your multitude of interests for the nitty-gritty-look-under-every-leaf folks who are into that. There are 2 answers to that! One is that Legacy *does* offer a Standard edition and a DeLuxe edition with lots more bells whistles for those that want them. The other is that Legacy *is* a very fully-featured program, which is precisely what attracts so many people to it. Those that want a really very basic program should look elsewhere. This UG seems to be the only place to get answers, but frequently they come with the ‘you should have known that’ attitude. I'm sorry you feel that because I'm sure it is not what any of use intend to put across. Those of us who spend a lot of time here offering help and advise to other users wouldn't be doing it we thought that! However, I do think that people should help themselves to a certain extent, if only because someone nearly always learns more that way. It can also be a bit annoying when a request for help comes across as I can't be bothered to work out how to do this, so will someone who has made the effort tell me what to do - although I expect that is usually not what was intended to be implied. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Help files
Betty, Jenny answered your questions appropriately, however, I would like to address one specific issue in your email with which I am very well familiar with, i.e.; This UG seems to be the only place to get answers, but frequently they come with the ‘you should have known that’ attitude. When I switched from another genealogy program to Legacy and became of member of this LUG, I also felt as you did, however, after of couple of days of countering those responses, I soon began to realize that the more knowledgeable members were either being succinct in their answers, or trying to point me in the direction where I could find an answer and thus it became a learning experience for my benefit, without any intended negative meaning. The negative answers were a result of my perception, and not those intended by the writers. The bottom line is, please don't write off Legacy as genealogy program or the more knowledgeable members of this LUG, who are more than willing to assist others, simply because of a perceived you should have known that attitude. From experience, I can assure you that is not the case! Charles Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Help files
Amen to that Jenny. If one can not be bothered with how the programs work...then maybe their best tool is a pencil and paper. Gene From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files but as someone said 'I would rather be doing genealogy than learning how to program Legacy.' I really think that person was taking the wrong approach. Of course it's perfectly possible to do genealogy without learning to program (I would prefer to use the word use in this context) - people did genealogy long before computers came on the scene. But if someone wants to take advantage of all the benefits of using a computer program they need to learn how to do so. It's possible to make lots of journeys by bus, train or on foot, but if you want the convenience of using your car you have to learn to drive it! I will be bored silly going through 'just the 6th' video most of which I know or I'm not interested in and won't rem anyway; I would need to go through them again NEXT TIME I have a question. Don't suppose those videos have an index of their content? I can't tell you a lot about the videos because I haven't been through them all myself. When I first started learning Legacy I used the Tutorials and referred back to them again several times. Too bad there isn't a standard Legacy edition that's complete and ready to use for those of us who just want to enter our family files with the good features, and then leave the in-the-works edition that can be tweaked to suit your multitude of interests for the nitty-gritty-look-under-every-leaf folks who are into that. There are 2 answers to that! One is that Legacy *does* offer a Standard edition and a DeLuxe edition with lots more bells whistles for those that want them. The other is that Legacy *is* a very fully-featured program, which is precisely what attracts so many people to it. Those that want a really very basic program should look elsewhere. This UG seems to be the only place to get answers, but frequently they come with the ‘you should have known that’ attitude. I'm sorry you feel that because I'm sure it is not what any of use intend to put across. Those of us who spend a lot of time here offering help and advise to other users wouldn't be doing it we thought that! However, I do think that people should help themselves to a certain extent, if only because someone nearly always learns more that way. It can also be a bit annoying when a request for help comes across as I can't be bothered to work out how to do this, so will someone who has made the effort tell me what to do - although I expect that is usually not what was intended to be implied. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Help files
Click on Help then the Search tab then enter no children including the quote marks. That tells the search engine to look for the words together and then each help file with those words together can be examined and those words will be highlighted in the text to make it easy to spot. If you don't enclose your search string with quotes, then help files that contain the words in any order will be found. Ron Taylor Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Help files
Gene, I think that you are, perhaps, being a little unfair, surely a pen rather than a pencil ! Seriously though, I think that we should realise that for a newcomer to the program, Legacy does have a pretty steep learning curve – and with all the new stuff it’s getting steeper. Even 10 years or so ago, when I first used the program, I did, like Jenny, spend quite some time messing around, and right and left clicking just about everything I thought clickable. When I had some idea as to how it worked then I stopped using the Sample files, and started to put my own stuff in. It is not unreasonable to expect someone to have looked at the Help Files before asking a question on the List, but like for the OP of this thread, sometimes the required answer does not pop up, or if it does it is not clear. Or it may be that what one wishes to do cannot be done, but without asking the question one will never know. I admit to being one of those who is more likely than not to give a brief answer, maybe just showing the path to finding a facility that is needed, in the belief that a person best learns by following the process through rather than being spoon fed and remembering nothing. It certainly is not because I wish to give the impression “that you should have known this”. It is always open to the poster to come back for details, and, indeed, I deal with many follow-ups off-list. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Gene Adams Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 7:29 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Amen to that Jenny. If one can not be bothered with how the programs work...then maybe their best tool is a pencil and paper. Gene From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files but as someone said 'I would rather be doing genealogy than learning how to program Legacy.' I really think that person was taking the wrong approach. Of course it's perfectly possible to do genealogy without learning to program (I would prefer to use the word use in this context) - people did genealogy long before computers came on the scene. But if someone wants to take advantage of all the benefits of using a computer program they need to learn how to do so. It's possible to make lots of journeys by bus, train or on foot, but if you want the convenience of using your car you have to learn to drive it! I will be bored silly going through 'just the 6th' video most of which I know or I'm not interested in and won't rem anyway; I would need to go through them again NEXT TIME I have a question. Don't suppose those videos have an index of their content? I can't tell you a lot about the videos because I haven't been through them all myself. When I first started learning Legacy I used the Tutorials and referred back to them again several times. Too bad there isn't a standard Legacy edition that's complete and ready to use for those of us who just want to enter our family files with the good features, and then leave the in-the-works edition that can be tweaked to suit your multitude of interests for the nitty-gritty-look-under-every-leaf folks who are into that. There are 2 answers to that! One is that Legacy *does* offer a Standard edition and a DeLuxe edition with lots more bells whistles for those that want them. The other is that Legacy *is* a very fully-featured program, which is precisely what attracts so many people to it. Those that want a really very basic program should look elsewhere. This UG seems to be the only place to get answers, but frequently they come with the ‘you should have known that’ attitude. I'm sorry you feel that because I'm sure it is not what any of use intend to put across. Those of us who spend a lot of time here offering help and advise to other users wouldn't be doing it we thought that! However, I do think that people should help themselves to a certain extent, if only because someone nearly always learns more that way. It can also be a bit annoying when a request for help comes across as I can't be bothered to work out how to do this, so will someone who has made the effort tell me what to do - although I expect that is usually not what was intended to be implied. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
Re: [LegacyUG] Help files
Just checked the manual for Legacy 7.0 (which I occasionally look at). Usually, I just search the help system as it is pretty complete. On page 27 it clearly states For a complete description o how to use the online Help system, choose How to Use Help from the Help menu. I had never tried that before. For some reason, the help file for the Help system is missing. It should be in there and should include the little tip that I gave earlier about enclosing the search string with quotes which works with many other search engines. Maybe Sherry can get it fixed. Ron Taylor Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Help files
That was taken out in v6, probaby when they switched from the old style of Help to the new style to run under Windows Vista. Legacy's Help file is based on the standard Windows Help and works like help files in just about every other program that uses the standard Windows Help file. I can't imagine that it needs much explanation - the Index tab helps you search indexed topics, the Search tab is an everyword search and the Favorites tab is where you bookmark Help topics you use a lot. I don't recall that there were any tips other than the basic explanation in that little file. I can't access it in the older versions of Legacy because it's in the older format which Windows 7 doesn't support. But Dave does need to take that sentence out of the manual Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Ron Taylor doit4...@yahoo.com wrote: Just checked the manual for Legacy 7.0 (which I occasionally look at). Usually, I just search the help system as it is pretty complete. On page 27 it clearly states For a complete description o how to use the online Help system, choose How to Use Help from the Help menu. I had never tried that before. For some reason, the help file for the Help system is missing. It should be in there and should include the little tip that I gave earlier about enclosing the search string with quotes which works with many other search engines. Maybe Sherry can get it fixed. Ron Taylor Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Help files
On 2012/01/07 23:16, Sherry/Support wrote: I can't imagine that it needs much explanation - the Index tab helps you search indexed topics, the Search tab is an everyword search and the Favorites tab is where you bookmark Help topics you use a lot. Ahem! I have a copy of the Microsoft Help for the Help Viewer (what Legacy Help is displayed in) and the section on the Advanced Full-Text Search is, to say the least, very comprehensive. This is just what it has to say on basic searching. Searching for help topics A basic search consists of the word or phrase you want to find. You can use wildcard expressions, nested expressions, boolean operators, similar word matches, a previous results list, or topic titles to further define your search. The basic rules for formulating queries are as follows: Searches are not case-sensitive, so you can type your search in uppercase or lowercase characters. You may search for any combination of letters (a-z) and numbers (0-9). Punctuation marks such as the period, colon, semicolon, comma, and hyphen are ignored during a search. Group the elements of your search using double quotes or parentheses to set apart each element. You cannot search for quotation marks. Note If you are searching for a file name with an extension, you should group the entire string in double quotes, (filename.ext). Otherwise, the period will break the file name into two separate terms. The default operation between terms is AND, so you will create the logical equivalent to filename AND ext. And so it goes :-) -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Help files
Ron, your answers are always THE best. I look forward to the Ferguson Genealogy Software!BettyFL From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Gene, I think that you are, perhaps, being a little unfair, surely a pen rather than a pencil ! Seriously though, I think that we should realise that for a newcomer to the program, Legacy does have a pretty steep learning curve – and with all the new stuff it’s getting steeper. Even 10 years or so ago, when I first used the program, I did, like Jenny, spend quite some time messing around, and right and left clicking just about everything I thought clickable. When I had some idea as to how it worked then I stopped using the Sample files, and started to put my own stuff in. It is not unreasonable to expect someone to have looked at the Help Files before asking a question on the List, but like for the OP of this thread, sometimes the required answer does not pop up, or if it does it is not clear. Or it may be that what one wishes to do cannot be done, but without asking the question one will never know. I admit to being one of those who is more likely than not to give a brief answer, maybe just showing the path to finding a facility that is needed, in the belief that a person best learns by following the process through rather than being spoon fed and remembering nothing. It certainly is not because I wish to give the impression “that you should have known this”. It is always open to the poster to come back for details, and, indeed, I deal with many follow-ups off-list. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Gene Adams Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 7:29 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Amen to that Jenny. If one can not be bothered with how the programs work...then maybe their best tool is a pencil and paper. Gene From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.ukTo: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 11:04 AMSubject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help filesbut as someone said 'I would rather be doing genealogy than learning how to program Legacy.'I really think that person was taking the wrong approach. Of courseit's perfectly possible to do genealogy without learning to "program" (Iwould prefer to use the word "use" in this context) - people didgenealogy long before computers came on the scene. But if someone wantsto take advantage of all the benefits of using a computer program theyneed to learn how to do so.It's possible to make lots of journeys by bus, train or on foot, but ifyou want the convenience of using your car you have to learn to drive it! I will be bored silly going through 'just the 6th' video most of which I know or I'm not interested in and won't rem anyway; I would need to go through them again NEXT TIME I have a question. Don't suppose those videos have an index of their content? I can't tell you a lot about the videos because I haven't been throughthem all myself. When I first started learning Legacy I used theTutorials and referred back to them again several times. Too bad there isn't a standard Legacy edition that's complete and ready to use for those of us who just want to enter our family files with the good features, and then leave the in-the-works edition that can be tweaked to suit your multitude of interests for the nitty-gritty-look-under-every-leaf folks who are into that.There are 2 answers to that! One is that Legacy *does* offer a Standardedition and a DeLuxe edition with lots more "bells whistles" for thosethat want them.The other is that Legacy *is* a very fully-featured program, which isprecisely what attracts so many people to it. Those that want a reallyvery basic program should look elsewhere. This UG seems to be the only place to get answers, but frequently they come with the ‘you should have known that’ attitude.I'm sorry you feel that because I'm sure it is not what any of useintend to put across. Those of us who spend a lot of time here offeringhelp and advise to other users wouldn't be doing it we thought that!However, I do think that people should "help themselves" to a certainextent, if only because someone nearly always learns more that way. Itcan also be a bit annoying when a request for help comes across as "Ican't be bothered to work out how to do this, so will someone who hasmade the effort tell me what to do" - although I expect that is usuallynot what was intended to be implied.--Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages after Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp
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Thanks, Betty, but I think I’ll stick to websites and leave the heavy lifting to somebody else – it’s my arthritis that does it! Ron Ferguson, http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: BF Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 11:02 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Ron, your answers are always THE best. I look forward to the Ferguson Genealogy Software! Betty FL From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Gene, I think that you are, perhaps, being a little unfair, surely a pen rather than a pencil ! Seriously though, I think that we should realise that for a newcomer to the program, Legacy does have a pretty steep learning curve – and with all the new stuff it’s getting steeper. Even 10 years or so ago, when I first used the program, I did, like Jenny, spend quite some time messing around, and right and left clicking just about everything I thought clickable. When I had some idea as to how it worked then I stopped using the Sample files, and started to put my own stuff in. It is not unreasonable to expect someone to have looked at the Help Files before asking a question on the List, but like for the OP of this thread, sometimes the required answer does not pop up, or if it does it is not clear. Or it may be that what one wishes to do cannot be done, but without asking the question one will never know. I admit to being one of those who is more likely than not to give a brief answer, maybe just showing the path to finding a facility that is needed, in the belief that a person best learns by following the process through rather than being spoon fed and remembering nothing. It certainly is not because I wish to give the impression “that you should have known this”. It is always open to the poster to come back for details, and, indeed, I deal with many follow-ups off-list. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Gene Adams Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 7:29 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Amen to that Jenny. If one can not be bothered with how the programs work...then maybe their best tool is a pencil and paper. Gene From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files but as someone said 'I would rather be doing genealogy than learning how to program Legacy.' I really think that person was taking the wrong approach. Of course it's perfectly possible to do genealogy without learning to program (I would prefer to use the word use in this context) - people did genealogy long before computers came on the scene. But if someone wants to take advantage of all the benefits of using a computer program they need to learn how to do so. It's possible to make lots of journeys by bus, train or on foot, but if you want the convenience of using your car you have to learn to drive it! I will be bored silly going through 'just the 6th' video most of which I know or I'm not interested in and won't rem anyway; I would need to go through them again NEXT TIME I have a question. Don't suppose those videos have an index of their content? I can't tell you a lot about the videos because I haven't been through them all myself. When I first started learning Legacy I used the Tutorials and referred back to them again several times. Too bad there isn't a standard Legacy edition that's complete and ready to use for those of us who just want to enter our family files with the good features, and then leave the in-the-works edition that can be tweaked to suit your multitude of interests for the nitty-gritty-look-under-every-leaf folks who are into that. There are 2 answers to that! One is that Legacy *does* offer a Standard edition and a DeLuxe edition with lots more bells whistles for those that want them. The other is that Legacy *is* a very fully-featured program, which is precisely what attracts so many people to it. Those that want a really very basic program should look elsewhere. This UG seems to be the only place to get answers, but frequently they come with the ‘you should have known that’ attitude. I'm sorry you feel that because I'm sure it is not what any of use intend to put across. Those of us who spend a lot of time here offering help and advise to other users wouldn't be doing it we thought that! However, I do think that people should help themselves to a certain extent, if only because someone nearly always learns more that way. It can also be a bit annoying when a request for help comes across as I can't be bothered to work out how to do this, so will someone who has made the effort tell me what to do
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I'll second that Betty. But maybe a knighthood? Sir Ron has a certain ring to it. Cheers Shirley NZ - Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Thanks, Betty, but I think I’ll stick to websites and leave the heavy lifting to somebody else – it’s my arthritis that does it! Ron Ferguson, http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: BF Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 11:02 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Ron, your answers are always THE best. I look forward to the Ferguson Genealogy Software! Betty FL -- From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Gene, I think that you are, perhaps, being a little unfair, surely a pen rather than a pencil ! Seriously though, I think that we should realise that for a newcomer to the program, Legacy does have a pretty steep learning curve – and with all the new stuff it’s getting steeper. Even 10 years or so ago, when I first used the program, I did, like Jenny, spend quite some time messing around, and right and left clicking just about everything I thought clickable. When I had some idea as to how it worked then I stopped using the Sample files, and started to put my own stuff in. It is not unreasonable to expect someone to have looked at the Help Files before asking a question on the List, but like for the OP of this thread, sometimes the required answer does not pop up, or if it does it is not clear. Or it may be that what one wishes to do cannot be done, but without asking the question one will never know. I admit to being one of those who is more likely than not to give a brief answer, maybe just showing the path to finding a facility that is needed, in the belief that a person best learns by following the process through rather than being spoon fed and remembering nothing. It certainly is not because I wish to give the impression “that you should have known this”. It is always open to the poster to come back for details, and, indeed, I deal with many follow-ups off-list. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Gene Adams Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 7:29 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Amen to that Jenny. If one can not be bothered with how the programs work...then maybe their best tool is a pencil and paper. Gene -- From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files but as someone said 'I would rather be doing genealogy than learning how to program Legacy.' I really think that person was taking the wrong approach. Of course it's perfectly possible to do genealogy without learning to program (I would prefer to use the word use in this context) - people did genealogy long before computers came on the scene. But if someone wants to take advantage of all the benefits of using a computer program they need to learn how to do so. It's possible to make lots of journeys by bus, train or on foot, but if you want the convenience of using your car you have to learn to drive it! I will be bored silly going through 'just the 6th' video most of which I know or I'm not interested in and won't rem anyway; I would need to go through them again NEXT TIME I have a question. Don't suppose those videos have an index of their content? I can't tell you a lot about the videos because I haven't been through them all myself. When I first started learning Legacy I used the Tutorials and referred back to them again several times. Too bad there isn't a standard Legacy edition that's complete and ready to use for those of us who just want to enter our family files with the good features, and then leave the in-the-works edition that can be tweaked to suit your multitude of interests for the nitty-gritty-look-under-every-leaf folks who are into that. There are 2 answers to that! One is that Legacy *does* offer a Standard edition and a DeLuxe edition with lots more bells whistles for those that want them. The other is that Legacy *is* a very fully-featured program, which is precisely what attracts so many people to it. Those that want a really very basic program should look elsewhere. This UG seems to be the only place to get answers, but frequently they come with the ‘you should have known that’ attitude. I'm sorry you feel that because I'm sure it is not what any of use intend to put across. Those of us who spend a lot
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Yeah... :-) you have a fan club, Ron. And I know Jennie is a participant too. From: Shirley Richardson shirleyr...@clear.net.nz To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files I'll second that Betty. But maybe a knighthood? Sir Ron has a certain ring to it. Cheers Shirley NZ - Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Thanks, Betty, but I think I’ll stick to websites and leave the heavy lifting to somebody else – it’s my arthritis that does it! Ron Ferguson, http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: BF Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 11:02 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Ron, your answers are always THE best. I look forward to the Ferguson Genealogy Software! Betty FL From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.ukTo: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 3:43 PMSubject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Gene, I think that you are, perhaps, being a little unfair, surely a pen rather than a pencil ! Seriously though, I think that we should realise that for a newcomer to the program, Legacy does have a pretty steep learning curve – and with all the new stuff it’s getting steeper. Even 10 years or so ago, when I first used the program, I did, like Jenny, spend quite some time messing around, and right and left clicking just about everything I thought clickable. When I had some idea as to how it worked then I stopped using the Sample files, and started to put my own stuff in. It is not unreasonable to expect someone to have looked at the Help Files before asking a question on the List, but like for the OP of this thread, sometimes the required answer does not pop up, or if it does it is not clear. Or it may be that what one wishes to do cannot be done, but without asking the question one will never know. I admit to being one of those who is more likely than not to give a brief answer, maybe just showing the path to finding a facility that is needed, in the belief that a person best learns by following the process through rather than being spoon fed and remembering nothing. It certainly is not because I wish to give the impression “that you should have known this”. It is always open to the poster to come back for details, and, indeed, I deal with many follow-ups off-list. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Gene Adams Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 7:29 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files Amen to that Jenny. If one can not be bothered with how the programs work...then maybe their best tool is a pencil and paper. Gene From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.ukTo: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 11:04 AMSubject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help filesbut as someone said 'I would rather be doing genealogy than learning how to program Legacy.'I really think that person was taking the wrong approach. Of courseit's perfectly possible to do genealogy without learning to "program" (Iwould prefer to use the word "use" in this context) - people didgenealogy long before computers came on the scene. But if someone wantsto take advantage of all the benefits of using a computer program theyneed to learn how to do so.It's possible to make lots of journeys by bus, train or on foot, but ifyou want the convenience of using your car you have to learn to drive it! I will be bored silly going through 'just the 6th' video most of which I know or I'm not interested in and won't rem anyway; I would need to go through them again NEXT TIME I have a question. Don't suppose those videos have an index of their content? I can't tell you a lot about the videos because I haven't been throughthem all myself. When I first started learning Legacy I used theTutorials and referred back to them again several times. Too bad there isn't a standard Legacy edition that's complete and ready to use for those of us who just want to enter our family files with the good features, and then leave the in-the-works edition that can be tweaked to suit your multitude of interests for the nitty-gritty-look-under-every-leaf folks who are into that.There are 2 answers to that! One is that Legacy *does* offer a Standardedition and a DeLuxe edition with lots more "bells whistles" for thosethat want them.The other is that Legacy *is* a very fully-featured program, which isprecisely what attracts so many people to it. Those that want a reallyvery basic program should look elsewhere. This UG seems to be the only place to get answe
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Mike, That was precisely the kind of How to use Help that should be somewhere in the Legacy help files or at least a link to the write-up that you cited. Thanks for that info. If, as Sherry reported, the Legacy help system is now based on the Windows protocol, then all of these methods should function when searching for things in the help files. Ron Taylor --- On Sat, 1/7/12, Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com wrote: From: Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Saturday, January 7, 2012, 3:28 PM On 2012/01/07 23:16, Sherry/Support wrote: I can't imagine that it needs much explanation - the Index tab helps you search indexed topics, the Search tab is an everyword search and the Favorites tab is where you bookmark Help topics you use a lot. Ahem! I have a copy of the Microsoft Help for the Help Viewer (what Legacy Help is displayed in) and the section on the Advanced Full-Text Search is, to say the least, very comprehensive. This is just what it has to say on basic searching. Searching for help topics A basic search consists of the word or phrase you want to find. You can use wildcard expressions, nested expressions, boolean operators, similar word matches, a previous results list, or topic titles to further define your search. The basic rules for formulating queries are as follows: Searches are not case-sensitive, so you can type your search in uppercase or lowercase characters. You may search for any combination of letters (a-z) and numbers (0-9). Punctuation marks such as the period, colon, semicolon, comma, and hyphen are ignored during a search. Group the elements of your search using double quotes or parentheses to set apart each element. You cannot search for quotation marks. Note If you are searching for a file name with an extension, you should group the entire string in double quotes, (filename.ext). Otherwise, the period will break the file name into two separate terms. The default operation between terms is AND, so you will create the logical equivalent to filename AND ext. And so it goes :-) -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
