Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:10:34 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 06:50 AM 23/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1990 00:09:47 -0500 From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? I'm enjoying this, and learning a lot, but I think we have established the premise that IrDa conversion is not trivial I thought we'd established the opposite: IRDA - full duplex serial is a one-chip solution plus IR transmit/receive and power. It's certainly simpler than a modem, which does the same job down a pair of wires. What's the chip number, and where do I get it? If you know FOR SURE you only need Tx and Rx AND you don't need to go higher than 115200 I recommend the Agilent HSDL-1001-011 tranciever if you're wiring straight into TTL level RS-232 encoded signals (ie. inverse polarity 0 to 5 volts) due to the very nice data sheets that come with it and low number of extra components required (a couple of caps, a resistor and a well regulated supply in this case). If you can only get access to the RS-232 level signals (ie. inverse polarity -12 to 12 volts) plase a Maxim MAX232 buffer/voltage pump between the RS-232 lines and the Agilent device. Suitable circuit diagrams come on the data sheets available from the websites of both manufacturers. Farnell (www.farnell.com) amongst other places should sell both chips. When hooked up to the computer, make sure you're running in plain Ir Tx/Rx mode (apparently called 2 wire mode) ... its the mode where Windows can't autoscan for devices. Dunno about Win2k but under 9x this is when you DISABLE IrDA in control panel. If your device needs more than the Tx and Rx lines then, well, you've heard the arguments all week! ;-) If you need to go faster than 115200 then the circuit design becomes more complicated even if you only need Tx and Rx due to the increased necessity for nice signal shapes. Consider the Agilent HSDL-1100-018 tranciever, again it comes with a nice data sheet but it isn't as easy to work with. Both trancievers come in surface mount packaging but they seem pretty tolerant of high heat levels (ie. they survived my poor hand soldering with my $15 iron!) so you shouldn't have too much trouble with them. Hope this helps! - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:35:26 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 11:25 PM 21/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 07:18:35 From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:11:28 -0500 From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Umm ... right in that case tell me, how would the IrDA dongle pass the various handshaking lines onto the normal (DB9 or DB25) serial device connected to it given that both that device and its driver back on the laptop would be expecting standard Tx/Rx, DTR/DSR, RTS/CTS and CD/RI, a total of 4 full duplex lines, WITHOUT the use of a driver shim on the PC end to multiplex the handshaking lines onto the standard IrDA stream (which, at the lowest level is a single full duplex connection)? I'm enjoying this, and learning a lot, but I think we have established the premise that IrDa conversion is not trivial I thought we'd established the opposite: IRDA - full duplex serial is a one-chip solution plus IR transmit/receive and power. It's certainly simpler than a modem, which does the same job down a pair of wires. Like I said, if you only need Tx and Rx lines, its even simpler ... just the tranciever plus 2 caps and a resistor (and power). The lack of triviality comes when you need the other lines (and the complexity there comes from both the hardware and the driver required). - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:40:47 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 12:00 AM 22/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 02:32:46 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? I'm enjoying this, and learning a lot, but I think we have established the premise that IrDa conversion is not trivial I thought we'd established the opposite: IRDA - full duplex serial is a one-chip solution plus IR transmit/receive and power. It's certainly simpler than a modem, which does the same job down a pair of wires. That's what it is on this printer I'm designing. A single processor, and Irda Eyeball and a few Rs and Cs, and I get what looks like a serial cable. That plugs in to the same port where you remove my serial card, uses the same signals. To the main system, it's a serial port. To the host system, it's a serial port. A single processor can soak up a lot of untriviality ... even those 8 pin MicroChip PIC jobs. - Raymond P.S. no, 'untriviality' isn't a commonly used slang ... at least not round here --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:46:29 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 12:00 AM 22/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 02:32:46 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? I'm enjoying this, and learning a lot, but I think we have established the premise that IrDa conversion is not trivial I thought we'd established the opposite: IRDA - full duplex serial is a one-chip solution plus IR transmit/receive and power. It's certainly simpler than a modem, which does the same job down a pair of wires. That's what it is on this printer I'm designing. A single processor, and Irda Eyeball and a few Rs and Cs, and I get what looks like a serial cable. That plugs in to the same port where you remove my serial card, uses the same signals. To the main system, it's a serial port. To the host system, it's a serial port. Actually, correct me if I'm wrong but won't a serial printer be happy with just Tx (as in it doesn't even need Rx, just Tx and ground)? I remember reading something about being able to print to printers using graphics calculators because of that ... - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:19:34 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Actually, correct me if I'm wrong but won't a serial printer be happy with just Tx (as in it doesn't even need Rx, just Tx and ground)? I remember reading something about being able to print to printers using graphics calculators because of that ... Many printers (and many PCs) are perfectly happy this way. IRDA calls this three wire mode. IRDA does both three wire and nine wire emulation. In nine wire mode, it provides ALL the signals that would be present on a DB-9 port. It does not, however, take the status of the signals from the end device, and run them through the IR link. You get them from the local processor, which generates them according to it's needs, and according to the link state. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 02:40:39 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? This being so - an IRDA to serial adaptor should be a fairly trivial device: IR transmitter and receiver (and shaping circuits), some buffer memory, a standard serial interface, and a small processor to keep it all in step. Probably fabricated on a single chip. Not quite, but pretty close. The pulse current requirements for the transmitter require some large-ish C to decouple. Ubicom (scenix) has a reference design you can download. Single micro, a few Rs and Cs, and a standard IRDA module. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:20:13 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 11:36 PM 20/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 07:27:52 From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:27:31 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? I haven't looked at the IRDA spec, so I'm guessing here...but I can't imagine that *anyone* (even MS) is dumb enough to implement a serial link without flow control of some sort. They aren't Of course, whether the IRDA interface implements those things to the driver is another question :) They do. However, not exactly in the way you think, You don't see the handshake directly from the remote device, it's not necessary. You see handshake from the local IRDA dongle. It's buffers are what you must not overflow, and it must not overflow yours. The end result is the same, you put data into the dongle at rate X, it travels between dongles at rate Y, and from the far dongle to the device at rate Z. Your throughput will not be greater than the lowest rate of the three, and not much less, if X and Y are reasonably high. Y cannot be less than 9600. X and Z can be anything from 300-115200 (typically) You mistake me! That's exactly the way I would have implemented it - the software interface to each end only cares whether the hardware can accept data. What the other end is doing is immaterial, as is the mechanism for getting the data there. Maintaining a channel for state information which rarely changes is at best, wasteful of resources. This being so - an IRDA to serial adaptor should be a fairly trivial device: IR transmitter and receiver (and shaping circuits), some buffer memory, a standard serial interface, and a small processor to keep it all in step. Probably fabricated on a single chip. ... exactly what I said in that essay ages ago (except for the fact that if there was no point having those handshaking lines, why bother having them in a standard serial port? Answer is that every now and again those lines DO change! But thats trodden ground already). - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:22:59 - From: Trevor Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Welcome home Neil! Question: How many pythons are there in S America.! Answer: only one called Monty! Did none of our American friends spot the pun on the Spanish inquisition! We Brits are well versed in Monty Python sketches including the rare Norwegian blue parrot that has expired Sorry straying off the mark anyone in the UK looking for a Libretto 50 motherboard/keyboard/casing etc I have one being broken for spares! Regards Trevor - Original Message - From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:46:50 From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:49:00 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 01:46 AM 19/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:41:55 +1300 From: Fran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? What is this? The Spanish Inquisition? Nah its a typical Raymond-got-carried-away essay ;-) Notice I STILL had to add bits to it ;-) Saved me doing it big grin Neil (Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!) _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:08:09 -0500 From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? \ Actisys does make serial port enablers for devices that weren't designed with IRDA. Great! What does that mean, an IrDa dongle plugged into a DB-9F socket, and it presents itself to the infrared world as a comport? Pres Waterman traveling... much delay in catching messages, sorry if I reply and others have already and I lost many many emails in a crash also! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:13:21 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 09:11 AM 2/20/02 -0800, Pres Waterman wrote: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:08:09 -0500 From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? \ Actisys does make serial port enablers for devices that weren't designed with IRDA. Great! What does that mean, an IrDa dongle plugged into a DB-9F socket, and it presents itself to the infrared world as a comport? I think so. I have one here, part of a project, but haven't looked at it yet. They sell these to sit on printers and such, to make them irda compatible. Info on the actisys web site, though their site is rather sucky. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:26:35 -0800 From: Skip Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Did none of our American friends spot the pun on the Spanish inquisition! We Oh, I spotted it. I was wondering if and how long anybody would resist saying it. ...I counted 3 messages to the list server before it happened! -- Dr. Everett (Skip) Carter Phone: 831-641-0645 FAX: 831-641-0647 Taygeta Scientific Inc.INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1340 Munras Ave., Suite 314WWW: http://www.taygeta.com Monterey, CA. 93940 ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:28:14 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Don't count on it ... ref what I said about only Tx and Rx being available ... I don't like the chances of your serial cellphone working for instance as it'd probably also require the CD/RI lines. Unless the Actisys comes with a driver to reconstruct these lines (in which case you'd take a speed hit) all it'd be doing is what I mentioned in my essay earlier on. That is part and parcel of the IRDA link. Also, speed may be as low as 9600, but can be as fast as 115200 on the IR. The devices negotiate this as they establish the link. So, any speed hit is likely to be academic. Note that the IR speed is independent of the serial speed, and will go to the fastest value both devices can support. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:51:00 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 06:35 PM 20/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:28:14 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Don't count on it ... ref what I said about only Tx and Rx being available ... I don't like the chances of your serial cellphone working for instance as it'd probably also require the CD/RI lines. Unless the Actisys comes with a driver to reconstruct these lines (in which case you'd take a speed hit) all it'd be doing is what I mentioned in my essay earlier on. That is part and parcel of the IRDA link. Also, speed may be as low as 9600, but can be as fast as 115200 on the IR. The devices negotiate this as they establish the link. So, any speed hit is likely to be academic. Note that the IR speed is independent of the serial speed, and will go to the fastest value both devices can support. I was more talking the fact that if it did multiplex the DTR/DSR, RTS/CTS and CD/RI lines onto the TX/RX lines in software (and the IrDA dongle on the other end reconstructed them) you'd not be able to hit 115200 and you'd experience a significantly higher processor overhead as the processor now has to do what the serial driver chip would have done ... if the things were designed to permit IrDA printing though I doubt this would be done because as I said, all printers really need is TX/RX (and software flow control). Oh and yes proper IrDA devices negotiate the link speed based on conditions but remember, we're trying to trick non-IrDA devices to link into IrDA ... unfortunately not many standard serial devices will autonegotiate a speed. - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:02:38 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? I was more talking the fact that if it did multiplex the DTR/DSR, RTS/CTS and CD/RI lines onto the TX/RX lines in software (and the IrDA dongle on the other end reconstructed them) you'd not be able to hit 115200 and you'd experience a significantly higher processor overhead as the processor now has to do what the serial driver chip would have done ... It does sort of, but that's not what happens. The handshake is generated by your IRDA interface, according to the link state, and the rate at which the other end can take data. On the other end, handshake is from the peripheral to the irda device, and events here, you may never see. Same is true in the other direction. The one thing they DONT do, is echo the handshake lines of the peripheral directly back to you. if the things were designed to permit IrDA printing though I doubt this would be done because as I said, all printers really need is TX/RX (and software flow control). Oh and yes proper IrDA devices negotiate the link speed based on conditions but remember, we're trying to trick non-IrDA devices to link into IrDA ... unfortunately not many standard serial devices will autonegotiate a speed. That's only happening on the IRDA link. On the cable, that's up to dipswitches and such. The IR link, and the physical cable ends are not directly coupled, and that's one of the good features of irda. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:30:46 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 07:11 PM 20/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:02:38 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? I was more talking the fact that if it did multiplex the DTR/DSR, RTS/CTS and CD/RI lines onto the TX/RX lines in software (and the IrDA dongle on the other end reconstructed them) you'd not be able to hit 115200 and you'd experience a significantly higher processor overhead as the processor now has to do what the serial driver chip would have done ... It does sort of, but that's not what happens. The handshake is generated by your IRDA interface, according to the link state, and the rate at which the other end can take data. Umm ... right in that case tell me, how would the IrDA dongle pass the various handshaking lines onto the normal (DB9 or DB25) serial device connected to it given that both that device and its driver back on the laptop would be expecting standard Tx/Rx, DTR/DSR, RTS/CTS and CD/RI, a total of 4 full duplex lines, WITHOUT the use of a driver shim on the PC end to multiplex the handshaking lines onto the standard IrDA stream (which, at the lowest level is a single full duplex connection)? On the other end, handshake is from the peripheral to the irda device, and events here, you may never see. Same is true in the other direction. The one thing they DONT do, is echo the handshake lines of the peripheral directly back to you. Ya thats true but remember, we're trying to trick a device into using a single full duplex IrDA link as a standard 4x full duplex hardwired serial link. Or at least that dongle thing will have to if its going to be a universal serial link emulator ... otherwise one could just wire a transceiver straight into the TTL level TX/RX signals ... if the things were designed to permit IrDA printing though I doubt this would be done because as I said, all printers really need is TX/RX (and software flow control). Oh and yes proper IrDA devices negotiate the link speed based on conditions but remember, we're trying to trick non-IrDA devices to link into IrDA ... unfortunately not many standard serial devices will autonegotiate a speed. That's only happening on the IRDA link. On the cable, that's up to dipswitches and such. ya but the problem is if the standard serial device is expecting, say, 115200 as would the driver on the PC end, it doesn't leave the IrDA dongle much room for autonegotiation ... on the other hand if both the serial device and its driver expect 9600 then that dongle has no point in moving up to 115200. Remember, IrDA devices under Win9x can operate in at least 2 modes, proper IrDA (plug and play scanning, LPT and COM port mapping and so on), and legacy mode where all you get are the raw Tx and Rx signals at a set speed. - Raymond P.S. When I say 'Serial device' I'm talking the thing thats normally hardwired. When I say IrDA dongle I mean the Actisys thingy. --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 23:26:48 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Umm ... right in that case tell me, how would the IrDA dongle pass the various handshaking lines onto the normal (DB9 or DB25) serial device connected to it given that both that device and its driver back on the laptop would be expecting standard Tx/Rx, DTR/DSR, RTS/CTS and CD/RI, a total of 4 full duplex lines, WITHOUT the use of a driver shim on the PC end to multiplex the handshaking lines onto the standard IrDA stream (which, at the lowest level is a single full duplex connection)? Perhaps you should pay a visit to www.irda.org ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 06:16:19 From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:04:39 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 09:11 AM 20/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:08:09 -0500 From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? \ Actisys does make serial port enablers for devices that weren't designed with IRDA. Great! What does that mean, an IrDa dongle plugged into a DB-9F socket, and it presents itself to the infrared world as a comport? Don't count on it ... ref what I said about only Tx and Rx being available ... I don't like the chances of your serial cellphone working for instance as it'd probably also require the CD/RI lines. Unless the Actisys comes with a driver to reconstruct these lines (in which case you'd take a speed hit) all it'd be doing is what I mentioned in my essay earlier on. I haven't looked at the IRDA spec, so I'm guessing here...but I can't imagine that *anyone* (even MS) is dumb enough to implement a serial link without flow control of some sort. There are plenty of examples of flow control using either in-band or out of band signalling within the channel and just using two or four wire connections. Any rational adaptor (serial to optical) should be capable of interfacing to the full collection of control lines on a serial port - tx/rx, ctr/dtr, and cts/hook at a minimum. Of course, whether the IRDA interface implements those things to the driver is another question :) _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:27:31 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? I haven't looked at the IRDA spec, so I'm guessing here...but I can't imagine that *anyone* (even MS) is dumb enough to implement a serial link without flow control of some sort. They aren't Of course, whether the IRDA interface implements those things to the driver is another question :) They do. However, not exactly in the way you think, You don't see the handshake directly from the remote device, it's not necessary. You see handshake from the local IRDA dongle. It's buffers are what you must not overflow, and it must not overflow yours. The end result is the same, you put data into the dongle at rate X, it travels between dongles at rate Y, and from the far dongle to the device at rate Z. Your throughput will not be greater than the lowest rate of the three, and not much less, if X and Y are reasonably high. Y cannot be less than 9600. X and Z can be anything from 300-115200 (typically) ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:59:14 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 10:20 PM 20/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 06:16:19 From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:04:39 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 09:11 AM 20/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:08:09 -0500 From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? \ Actisys does make serial port enablers for devices that weren't designed with IRDA. Great! What does that mean, an IrDa dongle plugged into a DB-9F socket, and it presents itself to the infrared world as a comport? Don't count on it ... ref what I said about only Tx and Rx being available ... I don't like the chances of your serial cellphone working for instance as it'd probably also require the CD/RI lines. Unless the Actisys comes with a driver to reconstruct these lines (in which case you'd take a speed hit) all it'd be doing is what I mentioned in my essay earlier on. I haven't looked at the IRDA spec, so I'm guessing here...but I can't imagine that *anyone* (even MS) is dumb enough to implement a serial link without flow control of some sort. There are plenty of examples of flow control using either in-band or out of band signalling within the channel and just using two or four wire connections. Any rational adaptor (serial to optical) should be capable of interfacing to the full collection of control lines on a serial port - tx/rx, ctr/dtr, and cts/hook at a minimum. Of course, whether the IRDA interface implements those things to the driver is another question :) I'm not saying there ISN'T any flow control, I'm saying that any flow control that exists will have to run over TX/RX because there ISN'T an extra pair of lines available for RTS/CTS. Perhaps what I'm really saying is once you get into devices that require explicit RTS/CTS lines and whatnot that must be separate from the Rx/Tx lines then the solution is no longer trivial. Bear in mind though, a lot of serial devices really only do use 2 lines - Rx and Tx - and have their flow control implemented over that. I do get the idea we're all saying the same thing in different ways though ... heh - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 02:06:27 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? I'm not saying there ISN'T any flow control, I'm saying that any flow control that exists will have to run over TX/RX because there ISN'T an extra pair of lines available for RTS/CTS. 9 wire support is available under IRLAP. 3 wire support is also an option. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 07:27:52 From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:27:31 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? I haven't looked at the IRDA spec, so I'm guessing here...but I can't imagine that *anyone* (even MS) is dumb enough to implement a serial link without flow control of some sort. They aren't Of course, whether the IRDA interface implements those things to the driver is another question :) They do. However, not exactly in the way you think, You don't see the handshake directly from the remote device, it's not necessary. You see handshake from the local IRDA dongle. It's buffers are what you must not overflow, and it must not overflow yours. The end result is the same, you put data into the dongle at rate X, it travels between dongles at rate Y, and from the far dongle to the device at rate Z. Your throughput will not be greater than the lowest rate of the three, and not much less, if X and Y are reasonably high. Y cannot be less than 9600. X and Z can be anything from 300-115200 (typically) You mistake me! That's exactly the way I would have implemented it - the software interface to each end only cares whether the hardware can accept data. What the other end is doing is immaterial, as is the mechanism for getting the data there. Maintaining a channel for state information which rarely changes is at best, wasteful of resources. This being so - an IRDA to serial adaptor should be a fairly trivial device: IR transmitter and receiver (and shaping circuits), some buffer memory, a standard serial interface, and a small processor to keep it all in step. Probably fabricated on a single chip. _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:18:43 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 11:56 PM 18/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:51:43 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 06:12 PM 18/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:08:18 -0500 From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? don't overclock it). What do you need to run off the serial port? It might well be faster/easier to use the infrared serial port, its a (relatively) trivial matter adapting most serial devices to run off that. Of course, your OTHER problems Please explain how to take the following serial devices and trivially adapt them to IrDa so I can easily use them with my Libretto: well there are a number of ways of doing things. They're (relatively) low speed so if you were willing to take them apart (and if you're lucky!) you can get the raw RX/TX lines from whatever device you're looking at BEFORE the RS-232 driver IC and pipe them through to an IrDA tranciever (I got a few Agilent HSDL-1001-011 low-speed IrDA compliant trancievers for about $4USD or so which I was going to play with, there are higher speed ones such as the HSDL-1100-018 but they're more complicated to play with due to more signal shaping components required). If you're unlucky you'll find that the signals emerge from the microprocessor already at RS-232 levels so you'll need to use the alternative idea. Both trancievers should give you at least a foot of transmit distance with a visible angle of a bit over 90º (thats being conservative, I've had better but things start going loopy). Gah! OK I forgot to mention one thing. Two things actually. OK three. 1: This will ONLY work on devices that need only Tx and Rx lines because thats all that your IrDA port on your PC effectively has (so your serial mice, standard serial modems and some of your unpowered barcode scanners won't work because they need the other signal lines). Of course, you could always fudge these as normally they're stuck in one state or another anyway. If in doubt, break out the signal when the device is normally plugged into the computer and see what the RTS/CTS, DTR/DSR and CD/RI lines are doing. Whatever you do, don't let these lines float, it might work sometimes but other times the device might wait forever for a RTS/CTS handshaking signal that never comes. I've not come across this problem because most of my mucking around isn't with modifying existing hardware but according to a quick google, http://www.airborn.com.au/rs232.html recons that RTS and CTS should be looped back onto themselves (like a null modem). The flow control lines DTR/DSR would be trickier to deal with ... dunno how you'd handle those. As for CD/RI, apart from modems and mice (which leech their power from a number of the control lines) I don't think anything else actually USES them so you might be safe just tying them to whatever their states are normally. Oh ya, and when I say tying high or low, they'd be RS-232 levels which are nominally plus or minus 12 volts or so ... if you're using a MAX232 you'll have a spair TX/RX pair (because the MAX232 caters for both TX/RX as well as RTS/CTS) so just tie the extra voltage pump buffer high or low and you'll have your plus or minus 12 (however, if you need to tie some lines to plus 12 AND some lines to minus 12 then you'll be in a pickle ...). 2: I forgot, another company that makes those trancievers is Infineon (sp?) and that Agilent is actually part of HP if you're wondering where they popped out from. 3: Your software and OS has to be able to treat the IrDA port as just another serial port. Note that Win95 with the IrDA patch has 2 modes of operation, the 'proper' IrDA operation (needed for such things as wireless modems, printers and so on) and 'old' mode where it treats the IrDA port as a stock standard serial port ... IIRC thats the mode you'll have to be in because the 'proper' mode has a pile of other plug and play, autoscan junk (which obviously won't work with a 'hacked' IrDA tranciever at the other end because it won't know how to reply to the autoscan PnP signals). You'll need to install some patched somethingorother to get the thing doing serial port emulation under Win2k as by default, Win2k treats the IrDA port as a 'weirdo' device and not a serial port. If you have a Nokia mobile phone (or even if you don't) you can download Nokia's data suite for 2k and that has a driver that'll let you do similar things with the IrDA port under 2k (ie. make it look and act like another serial port) but I'm not *too* familiar with it so again your milage may vary. Hope this helps! - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:41:55 +1300 From: Fran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? What is this? The Spanish Inquisition? Fran :):):) On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:26, you wrote: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:18:43 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 11:56 PM 18/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:51:43 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 06:12 PM 18/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:08:18 -0500 From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? don't overclock it). What do you need to run off the serial port? It might well be faster/easier to use the infrared serial port, its a (relatively) trivial matter adapting most serial devices to run off that. Of course, your OTHER problems Please explain how to take the following serial devices and trivially adapt them to IrDa so I can easily use them with my Libretto: well there are a number of ways of doing things. They're (relatively) low speed so if you were willing to take them apart (and if you're lucky!) you can get the raw RX/TX lines from whatever device you're looking at BEFORE the RS-232 driver IC and pipe them through to an IrDA tranciever (I got a few Agilent HSDL-1001-011 low-speed IrDA compliant trancievers for about $4USD or so which I was going to play with, there are higher speed ones such as the HSDL-1100-018 but they're more complicated to play with due to more signal shaping components required). If you're unlucky you'll find that the signals emerge from the microprocessor already at RS-232 levels so you'll need to use the alternative idea. Both trancievers should give you at least a foot of transmit distance with a visible angle of a bit over 90º (thats being conservative, I've had better but things start going loopy). Gah! OK I forgot to mention one thing. Two things actually. OK three. 1: This will ONLY work on devices that need only Tx and Rx lines because thats all that your IrDA port on your PC effectively has (so your serial mice, standard serial modems and some of your unpowered barcode scanners won't work because they need the other signal lines). Of course, you could always fudge these as normally they're stuck in one state or another anyway. If in doubt, break out the signal when the device is normally plugged into the computer and see what the RTS/CTS, DTR/DSR and CD/RI lines are doing. Whatever you do, don't let these lines float, it might work sometimes but other times the device might wait forever for a RTS/CTS handshaking signal that never comes. I've not come across this problem because most of my mucking around isn't with modifying existing hardware but according to a quick google, http://www.airborn.com.au/rs232.html recons that RTS and CTS should be looped back onto themselves (like a null modem). The flow control lines DTR/DSR would be trickier to deal with ... dunno how you'd handle those. As for CD/RI, apart from modems and mice (which leech their power from a number of the control lines) I don't think anything else actually USES them so you might be safe just tying them to whatever their states are normally. Oh ya, and when I say tying high or low, they'd be RS-232 levels which are nominally plus or minus 12 volts or so ... if you're using a MAX232 you'll have a spair TX/RX pair (because the MAX232 caters for both TX/RX as well as RTS/CTS) so just tie the extra voltage pump buffer high or low and you'll have your plus or minus 12 (however, if you need to tie some lines to plus 12 AND some lines to minus 12 then you'll be in a pickle ...). 2: I forgot, another company that makes those trancievers is Infineon (sp?) and that Agilent is actually part of HP if you're wondering where they popped out from. 3: Your software and OS has to be able to treat the IrDA port as just another serial port. Note that Win95 with the IrDA patch has 2 modes of operation, the 'proper' IrDA operation (needed for such things as wireless modems, printers and so on) and 'old' mode where it treats the IrDA port as a stock standard serial port ... IIRC thats the mode you'll have to be in because the 'proper' mode has a pile of other plug and play, autoscan junk (which obviously won't work with a 'hacked' IrDA tranciever at the other end because it won't know how to reply to the autoscan PnP signals). You'll need to install some patched somethingorother to get the thing doing serial port emulation under Win2k as by default, Win2k treats the IrDA port as a 'weirdo' device and not a serial port. If you have a Nokia mobile phone (or even if you don't) you can download Nokia's data suite for 2k and that has a driver that'll let you do similar things with the IrDA port under 2k (ie. make it look and act like another serial port) but I'm not *too* familiar with it so again your milage
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:49:00 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 01:46 AM 19/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:41:55 +1300 From: Fran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? What is this? The Spanish Inquisition? Nah its a typical Raymond-got-carried-away essay ;-) Notice I STILL had to add bits to it ;-) - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:30:30 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 01:56 AM 19/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:49:00 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 01:46 AM 19/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:41:55 +1300 From: Fran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? What is this? The Spanish Inquisition? Nah its a typical Raymond-got-carried-away essay ;-) Oh ya, and I give up ... maybe its a cultural thing but would ANYONE care to enlighten me as to what the Spanish Inquisition has to do with a discussion on IrDA?!?!?! - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:46:50 From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:49:00 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 01:46 AM 19/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:41:55 +1300 From: Fran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? What is this? The Spanish Inquisition? Nah its a typical Raymond-got-carried-away essay ;-) Notice I STILL had to add bits to it ;-) Saved me doing it big grin Neil (Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!) _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please? ( serial PCMCIA thoughts )
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:47:41 -0500 From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? ( serial PCMCIA thoughts ) Lastly, rather than taking the Mini port extender with me when we are out on our motorcycle / camping trips, I thought about using a PCMCIA to Serial card to provide a COM: port.? Can anyone see any problems with that? They work great BUT... The mini-replicator screws onto the back of the Libretto, nice and tight. It provides a real DB-9 socket, also something you can screw into. The PCMCIA card almost always presents a flimsy thin cable, easily broken. Plus, the Libretto ( in my experience a L50 which has NO replicator bar, so I am forced to use the PCMCIA serial card ) does NOT like to relinquish its internal serial ports. You can disable COM1 in BIOS, but Windows finds it every time and reactivates it, IN BIOS! L50 has an infrared serial port which flops on COM2 as well. Even if disabled in Device Mangler. So, if your PCMCIA card can be COM3/4 and your device will talk to COM3/4, fine. But you will need a fresh an IRQ because the unused internal serial devices will take theirs anyway. I have a unused COM1, infrared COM2, and a Socket Comunications PCMCIA on COM3/4 but its actual comport and IRQ squish around like jello. I just keep finding where Bill Gates put my COMports today ( Where do YOU want to go today, little plug-n-play device? ) Bottom line, if you have a mini-replicator, I suggest you use it. Pres Waterman traveling... much delay in catching messages, sorry if I reply and others have already and I lost many many emails in a crash also! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:59:59 -0500 From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? I'm about the become the proud owner of a 50CT (32M) with all the basic bits and will need a 12V power supply for it. You'll need a 15v supply, not 12v. I can't plough my way through the Maplin site - it doesn't format properly on my browser - but any of the switch-mode 15v 2a supplies will work. It must be regulated though, not one of the 'transformer and two diodes' types. Neil, why did you not interpret this as I need a power supply for it that I can plug into12v? Is this English spoken, American tolerated? G Pres Waterman traveling... much delay in catching messages, sorry if I reply and others have already and I lost many many emails in a crash also! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please? ( serial PCMCIA thoughts )
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:21:51 +
From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? ( serial PCMCIA thoughts )
Hi Pres,
Pres Waterman wrote:
Lastly, rather than taking the Mini port extender with me when we are
out on our motorcycle / camping trips, I thought about using a PCMCIA to
Serial card to provide a COM: port.? Can anyone see any problems with
that?
They work great BUT...
The mini-replicator screws onto the back of the Libretto, nice and tight. It
provides a real DB-9 socket, also something you can screw into.
[T] Ok .. my GPS will only be plugged in for as long as it takes to program it
(say 10 mins) and unplugged again. I rarely screw comms leads in as it's less
painful (expensive) when you trip over them!
The PCMCIA
card almost always presents a flimsy thin cable, easily broken.
[T] Point taken . I've got a PCMCIA Modem, NIC and SCSI but not used any of them
'hard' . I can see how they could be vulnerable though. ;-(
Plus, the Libretto ( in my experience a L50 which has NO replicator bar, so
I am forced to use the PCMCIA serial card ) does NOT like to relinquish its
internal serial ports. You can disable COM1 in BIOS, but Windows finds it
every time and reactivates it, IN BIOS! L50 has an infrared serial port
which flops on COM2 as well. Even if disabled in Device Mangler.
[T] Ah, been there, done that .. ok, that's worth avoiding .. ('Device Mangler'
.. LOL)
So, if your PCMCIA card can be COM3/4 and your device will talk to COM3/4,
fine. But you will need a fresh an IRQ because the unused internal serial
devices will take theirs anyway. I have a unused COM1, infrared COM2, and a
Socket Comunications PCMCIA on COM3/4 but its actual comport and IRQ squish
around like jello. I just keep finding where Bill Gates put my COMports
today ( Where do YOU want to go today, little plug-n-play device? )
[T] LOL again . someone needs to give that man a firm talking to ..!
Q, How many Microsoft Marketing people does it take to change a light bulb?
A, None. They declare 'darkness' and new industry standard! ;-)
Bottom line, if you have a mini-replicator, I suggest you use it.
[T] Hmm, you don't sound convinced Pers! (OK .. you share the comments of others
so who am I to argue with the teachings of my mentors ..)
Pres Waterman
And In another mail I said ...
I'm about the become the proud owner of a 50CT (32M) with all the basic
bits and will need a 12V power supply for it.
You'll need a 15v supply, not 12v. I can't plough my way through the
Maplin
site - it doesn't format properly on my browser - but any of the
switch-mode
15v 2a supplies will work. It must be regulated though, not one of the
'transformer and two diodes' types.
Neil, why did you not interpret this as I need a power supply for it that I
can plug into12v?
Is this English spoken, American tolerated?
G
[T] To be fair to Neil (and I know we are only having fun here) I was a little
cryptic yet very specific in the same sentence.
I'm about the become the proud owner of a 50CT (32M) with all the basic bits
(I mentioned the 32M as I believe it was only fitted with 16M as std and was
also thinking 'all the basic bits' were Libby, PCMCIA floppy, std Li batt, mini
port replicator, 110-240V DC PSU, books, disks etc.)
and will need a 12V power supply for it (intending (but not clearly) that I
wanted the 'source' to be 12V?)
Now I know you knew all that, I was just giving an example of how difficult it
it to put stuff across unambiguously?
traveling... much delay in catching messages,
sorry if I reply and others have already
and I lost many many emails in a crash also!
[T] PC not car crash I hope? ;-)
Thanks Pres / Neil and all ..
T i m
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Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:08:18 -0500 From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? don't overclock it). What do you need to run off the serial port? It might well be faster/easier to use the infrared serial port, its a (relatively) trivial matter adapting most serial devices to run off that. Of course, your OTHER problems Please explain how to take the following serial devices and trivially adapt them to IrDa so I can easily use them with my Libretto: 1Icom PCR-1000/100 computer cotrolled receiver http://www.icomamerica.com ) COM1-2 @ 9600/38400 baud 2ADP Auto Dealership DMS system ( a terminal or a communcations program called REFLECTIONS talks to the box' on COM1--8 ) @9600/19200 baud 3Motorola RIB box clone by Polaris Industries http://www.poalrisindustries.com ) unknown rate but the software is COM1--2 only 4Motorola Star-Tac ST-7768 digital cellular phone I have several other things in my arsenal that use a serial cable and would love to cut the cord. Or did you mean the equipment manufacturer must somoehow have planned for you to adapt to IrDa use? Thanks Pres Waterman, W2PW c/o 112 Motors, LLC Long Island Ford, Kia and Used Dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:14:29 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Actisys does make serial port enablers for devices that weren't designed with IRDA. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:08:00 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:18:29 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't timed mine lately, a couple hours on the big pack I think. I get just under 2 hours on a brand new standard pack with the libby on high power and playing MP3s continuously ... that was with my old hard drive, IIRC my new one uses a tad less power so it might be even longer now. - Raymond Raymond, I've forgotten which Lib model you're using. 2 hours on a standard battery for which Lib? I never got more than 45-55 minutes out of my standard L50 battery though I forget whether or not I was using a CPE idler. But you're pushing yours hard! Matt _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:02:52 From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:59:59 -0500 From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? I'm about the become the proud owner of a 50CT (32M) with all the basic bits and will need a 12V power supply for it. You'll need a 15v supply, not 12v. I can't plough my way through the Maplin site - it doesn't format properly on my browser - but any of the switch-mode 15v 2a supplies will work. It must be regulated though, not one of the 'transformer and two diodes' types. Neil, why did you not interpret this as I need a power supply for it that I can plug into12v? Is this English spoken, American tolerated? G Can't be that Pres, the chap lives down the road from me. I guess it must be brain blanking. I think I linked 'new lib' and '12v supply' = I don't know the right numbers :) OTOH, in my trade a power supply is *always* speced by its output voltage, not its input, so maybe that was it? On the gripping hand, maybe I'm rambling... _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:51:43 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 06:12 PM 18/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:08:18 -0500 From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? don't overclock it). What do you need to run off the serial port? It might well be faster/easier to use the infrared serial port, its a (relatively) trivial matter adapting most serial devices to run off that. Of course, your OTHER problems Please explain how to take the following serial devices and trivially adapt them to IrDa so I can easily use them with my Libretto: well there are a number of ways of doing things. They're (relatively) low speed so if you were willing to take them apart (and if you're lucky!) you can get the raw RX/TX lines from whatever device you're looking at BEFORE the RS-232 driver IC and pipe them through to an IrDA tranciever (I got a few Agilent HSDL-1001-011 low-speed IrDA compliant trancievers for about $4USD or so which I was going to play with, there are higher speed ones such as the HSDL-1100-018 but they're more complicated to play with due to more signal shaping components required). If you're unlucky you'll find that the signals emerge from the microprocessor already at RS-232 levels so you'll need to use the alternative idea. Both trancievers should give you at least a foot of transmit distance with a visible angle of a bit over 90º (thats being conservative, I've had better but things start going loopy). I could get one of them going at a *reasonable* speed even with my dodgy soldering but I wouldn't want to go any higher than say 14400 with the low speed version on breadboard. These ICs have on-board amps and low-pass filters and whatnot so you just shove TTL (5 volt) level signals into them for transmit and you get back TTL signals out of them for recieve (along with the appropriate caps for nice signals, the data sheet has all the details). I went for the Agilent tranciever because it had all the basic circuit diagrams already on the data sheet to get the thing going on TTL logic levels (it only needed 2 capacitors and a resistor in my situation). An alternative that I understand people have used successfully is the Vishay-Telefunken TFDS4500 unit but I don't know how good or otherwise that is because I can't get it here. I'll be mucking around with the Agilent tranciever hooked up to a PIC16F84 microcontroller some time soon, I'll make mention of what sort of success I get with that (thats if I get around to it!). The alternative is to use a second RS-232 driver and voltage pump IC such as one of the Maxim MAX232 devices, plug the RS-232 level signals from your device into the RS-232 line level side of the MAX232 then back the TTL level side of one of them onto an IrDA tranciever (again with the necessary caps and whatnot, again data sheet has all the details and if you keep the speeds to not much higher than 14400bps you can afford to breadboard the lot without worrying too much about stray capacitance ... if you want to go higher you'd want to do things properly). If you did this you could probably in fact build it into a little box - a DB9 on one end and an IrDA window on the other (plus 5V power supply of course). That'll let you make any device you've got wireless (although you've still got the cable there). Of course, all this is 'hack together' circuitry but from what I read and in my (limited!) experience it seems to work OK for low to mid range speeds (I do have some problems with my cellphone modem dropping out every now and again, I'm still wondering if thats a dry joint or a circuit design problem but its not too serious, it just means every few minutes I get a 'signal obstructed' warning from Windows but it recovers within 1 or 2 seconds so I don't actually drop the connection). *shrug* your mileage may vary. Hope this helps! - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:56:08 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 07:16 PM 18/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:08:00 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:18:29 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't timed mine lately, a couple hours on the big pack I think. I get just under 2 hours on a brand new standard pack with the libby on high power and playing MP3s continuously ... that was with my old hard drive, IIRC my new one uses a tad less power so it might be even longer now. - Raymond Raymond, I've forgotten which Lib model you're using. 2 hours on a standard battery for which Lib? I never got more than 45-55 minutes out of my standard L50 battery though I forget whether or not I was using a CPE idler. But you're pushing yours hard! The laptop is a standard L50 BUT IT WAS OVERCLOCKED TO 100!. The battery pack is for the L70. I had problems believing it myself but it happened (it was in the 1:40-1:50 minute range, I ran the test twice). Bear in mind the pack was brand new though ... I might do a test some time soon and see if I get similar results. The thing is, I ignored all the low battery warnings (I hit 1% pretty quick but it stayed there). *shrug* - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
[LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:11:02 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Some answers please? Hi All, I'm about the become the proud owner of a 50CT (32M) with all the basic bits and will need a 12V power supply for it. Where would be the best place, what sort of price please (I'm in the UK) (model number?) (nothing on eBay at the moment)? Also, is there any reason why I *shouldn't* install W95 (OSR2?) on it (It's got RedHatV(?) on it at the moment) in the hope that it would do all I need (just Win95/98 GPS map routing software (Mapsource) and digital still camera offloads) and that's the sort of OS that was around when the Libby was first out? (wasn't it?) Lastly, rather than taking the Mini port extender with me when we are out on our motorcycle / camping trips, I thought about using a PCMCIA to Serial card to provide a COM: port.? Can anyone see any problems with that? All the best and I thank you for your time in advance .. T i m (London) ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:50:45 From: neil barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:11:02 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Some answers please? Hi All, I'm about the become the proud owner of a 50CT (32M) with all the basic bits and will need a 12V power supply for it. You'll need a 15v supply, not 12v. I can't plough my way through the Maplin site - it doesn't format properly on my browser - but any of the switch-mode 15v 2a supplies will work. It must be regulated though, not one of the 'transformer and two diodes' types. Where would be the best place, what sort of price please (I'm in the UK) (model number?) (nothing on eBay at the moment)? Heh. Can't access the site at present, but I'd guess from £30-60 depending on spec. Dunno what you'd pay for a proper Tosh supply. Also, is there any reason why I *shouldn't* install W95 (OSR2?) on it (It's got RedHatV(?) on it at the moment) in the hope that it would do all I need (just Win95/98 GPS map routing software (Mapsource) and digital still camera offloads) and that's the sort of OS that was around Only matters of taste :) when the Libby was first out? (wasn't it?) The 50 was supplied with W95 or W95b. It can be a little slow with w98 - e.g. it won't play mp3 without stuttering, though 95 will. On the other hand, there are shutdown problems sometimes with msgsvr32.exe in 95. 98 has a much quicker shutdown. Lastly, rather than taking the Mini port extender with me when we are out on our motorcycle / camping trips, I thought about using a PCMCIA to Serial card to provide a COM: port.? Can anyone see any problems with that? All the best and I thank you for your time in advance .. T i m (London) Tim, I'm in Hemel (01442 267 788) if you want to call. btw...kitcar? What sort? (I've had a couple :) _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:11:00 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Also, is there any reason why I *shouldn't* install W95 (OSR2?) on it (It's got RedHatV(?) on it at the moment) in the hope that it would do all I need (just Win95/98 GPS map routing software (Mapsource) and digital still camera offloads) and that's the sort of OS that was around when the Libby was first out? (wasn't it?) That's what's running on my 50, actually 98 SE, with all patches. I have WinAPRS, (a gps thing) and the entire 700 megs of precision mapping. Nice to have when you're 600 miles from home in Minnesota, and you suddenly need to drive to Colorado springs.. :) ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:24:39 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Hi Neil and All, neil barnes wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:11:02 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Some answers please? Hi All, I'm about the become the proud owner of a 50CT (32M) with all the basic bits and will need a 12V power supply for it. You'll need a 15v supply, not 12v. I can't plough my way through the Maplin site - it doesn't format properly on my browser - but any of the switch-mode 15v 2a supplies will work. It must be regulated though, not one of the 'transformer and two diodes' types. [T2] Ah, that would be a replacement for the std PSU? I hope my 50CT has the std PSU with it? What I'm looking for (and I didn't make it clear in my first post) is a 'device' for running my Libby 'from' 12VDC as in my car / motorbike etc? (Do I take it then that the Toshiba Car adapter is a 1215V DC converter (inverter)?) Where would be the best place, what sort of price please (I'm in the UK) (model number?) (nothing on eBay at the moment)? Also, is there any reason why I *shouldn't* install W95 (OSR2?) on it (It's got RedHatV(?) on it at the moment) in the hope that it would do all I need (just Win95/98 GPS map routing software (Mapsource) and digital still camera offloads) and that's the sort of OS that was around Only matters of taste :) when the Libby was first out? (wasn't it?) The 50 was supplied with W95 or W95b. It can be a little slow with w98 - e.g. it won't play mp3 without stuttering, though 95 will. On the other hand, there are shutdown problems sometimes with msgsvr32.exe in 95. 98 has a much quicker shutdown. [T2] I've have / had more shutdown problems with W98SE than any of them (on desktop machines that is) ! Lastly, rather than taking the Mini port extender with me when we are out on our motorcycle / camping trips, I thought about using a PCMCIA to Serial card to provide a COM: port.? Can anyone see any problems with that? All the best and I thank you for your time in advance .. T i m (London) ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:25:30 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Hi David, David VanHorn wrote: Also, is there any reason why I *shouldn't* install W95 (OSR2?) on it (It's got RedHatV(?) on it at the moment) in the hope that it would do all I need (just Win95/98 GPS map routing software (Mapsource) and digital still camera offloads) and that's the sort of OS that was around when the Libby was first out? (wasn't it?) That's what's running on my 50, actually 98 SE, with all patches. I have WinAPRS, (a gps thing) and the entire 700 megs of precision mapping. Nice to have when you're 600 miles from home in Minnesota, and you suddenly need to drive to Colorado springs.. :) [T] Hi David, Thanks for the reply and info. Sounds like the Libby is ideal for GPS work .(Dan uses one in Aus). How long does yours run on batteries and are you in a car or on a bike? All the best. T i m ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:35:20 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? How long does yours run on batteries and are you in a car or on a bike? All the best. Be warned, the screen is no good during the day, unless it's pretty cloudy. I take a jacket along to make a light hood out of. (no good for driving!) To run in the car, I have a small 110V inverter. It's more versatile that way, and it protects the L from transients in the car electrical system. I haven't timed mine lately, a couple hours on the big pack I think. That reminds me, time to swap packs. I have one small, and one large. When not otherwise occupied, the L is my chip programmer for Atmel AVR chips, and sits on the bench. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:02:41 +1100 From: Dan Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Tim, I have been using the 12v trick circuit for 3 years now,as described at www.fixup.net to power my libby from a small 7ah 12 volt battery, I get all day usage out of the lib. Some people are not happy with the use of this circuit and do not recommend it, each to there own I say. It uses a lot less poewr than an inverter and is the only way for me to have enough power when out hiking... My 50 had 95 on it when i got it and although i have been tempted to try 98 I have managed to hold off as I am terrified I will lose all my mapping data (5 gig of it!) 95 does everything I need, I rarely perform a shutdown prefering to just suspend each time I finish with the lib. No problems so far...! regards, dan T i m wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:24:39 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Hi Neil and All, neil barnes wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:11:02 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Some answers please? Hi All, I'm about the become the proud owner of a 50CT (32M) with all the basic bits and will need a 12V power supply for it. You'll need a 15v supply, not 12v. I can't plough my way through the Maplin site - it doesn't format properly on my browser - but any of the switch-mode 15v 2a supplies will work. It must be regulated though, not one of the 'transformer and two diodes' types. [T2] Ah, that would be a replacement for the std PSU? I hope my 50CT has the std PSU with it? What I'm looking for (and I didn't make it clear in my first post) is a 'device' for running my Libby 'from' 12VDC as in my car / motorbike etc? (Do I take it then that the Toshiba Car adapter is a 1215V DC converter (inverter)?) Where would be the best place, what sort of price please (I'm in the UK) (model number?) (nothing on eBay at the moment)? Also, is there any reason why I *shouldn't* install W95 (OSR2?) on it (It's got RedHatV(?) on it at the moment) in the hope that it would do all I need (just Win95/98 GPS map routing software (Mapsource) and digital still camera offloads) and that's the sort of OS that was around Only matters of taste :) when the Libby was first out? (wasn't it?) The 50 was supplied with W95 or W95b. It can be a little slow with w98 - e.g. it won't play mp3 without stuttering, though 95 will. On the other hand, there are shutdown problems sometimes with msgsvr32.exe in 95. 98 has a much quicker shutdown. [T2] I've have / had more shutdown problems with W98SE than any of them (on desktop machines that is) ! Lastly, rather than taking the Mini port extender with me when we are out on our motorcycle / camping trips, I thought about using a PCMCIA to Serial card to provide a COM: port.? Can anyone see any problems with that? All the best and I thank you for your time in advance .. T i m (London) ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:22:29 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Hi again David, David VanHorn wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:35:20 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Be warned, the screen is no good during the day, unless it's pretty cloudy. I take a jacket along to make a light hood out of. (no good for driving!) [T] Thanks for the tip but that shouldn't be a problem for me. My primary intended use for the Libby is calculating the next leg of our motorcycle / camping trip, then to send the way points via a serial port into my Garmin GPS III+. (The prog is by Garmin, called Mapsouce and runs under 95/98). The GPS has it's own real time World map built in and can also accept more detailed maps for most countries but it only has restricted internal memory and no removable memory cards. London and a few other areas will easily fill the memory requiring a portable PC for regular updates, depending on where you are heading. You *can* plot the way points on the GPS directly but it's a bit fiddly. (The new GPS V has a 'Autoroute' type feature and is more like 'Satnav', telling you where to turn etc ..) To run in the car, I have a small 110V inverter. It's more versatile that way, and it protects the L from transients in the car electrical system. [T] That's a good idea but 'possibly' more inefficient than going direct (I agree more flexible ..) and on a motorcycle (all be it with trailer)! With all the camping gear for 2 weeks and 3 people we are tight for space / weight and my BMW hasn't got either a big battery or alternator? ;-( How long does yours run on batteries and are you in a car or on a bike? I haven't timed mine lately, a couple hours on the big pack I think. [T] So, allowing for L start-up and the actual journey planning, about 4 x '15 min sessions' per charge David? That reminds me, time to swap packs. I have one small, and one large. When not otherwise occupied, the L is my chip programmer for Atmel AVR chips, and sits on the bench. [T] Handy little beasts aren't they the Libretto's ... never programmed any Micro controllers but sent plenty of Intel HEX / BIN files to EPROM's in my time ;-) All the best and thanks again David .. T i m ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:48:38 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? [T] That's a good idea but 'possibly' more inefficient than going direct (I agree more flexible ..) and on a motorcycle (all be it with trailer)! With all the camping gear for 2 weeks and 3 people we are tight for space / weight and my BMW hasn't got either a big battery or alternator? ;-( Definitely less efficient, but in the Explorer, with a 100A alternator, definitely not a problem :) Still, from the bike, you should be able to run this, no problem. You only draw about 20W, and that's less than one headlight. [T] So, allowing for L start-up and the actual journey planning, about 4 x '15 min sessions' per charge David? Sounds more or less right. YMMV etc. [T] Handy little beasts aren't they the Libretto's ... never programmed any Micro controllers but sent plenty of Intel HEX / BIN files to EPROM's in my time ;-) I got an L1 this summer, and was going to sell the L50, but just couldn't do it. :) It's such a handy beast. I know that I probably couldn't get more than $3-400 out of it, and it's worth more to me than that. I'm gonna need a computer rack soon! I seem to grow about one computer every two years. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
RE: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:02:11 -0600 From: phillip ramirez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Some answers please? Reason I would use the dock is cause you dont have to spend the extra money on the pcmcia card which is expensive and risk loosing the dongle. Buy a second dock for home.. Just my .02 -Original Message- From: T i m [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 9:22 AM To: Libretto Subject: [LIB] Some answers please? Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:11:02 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Some answers please? Hi All, I'm about the become the proud owner of a 50CT (32M) with all the basic bits and will need a 12V power supply for it. Where would be the best place, what sort of price please (I'm in the UK) (model number?) (nothing on eBay at the moment)? Also, is there any reason why I *shouldn't* install W95 (OSR2?) on it (It's got RedHatV(?) on it at the moment) in the hope that it would do all I need (just Win95/98 GPS map routing software (Mapsource) and digital still camera offloads) and that's the sort of OS that was around when the Libby was first out? (wasn't it?) Lastly, rather than taking the Mini port extender with me when we are out on our motorcycle / camping trips, I thought about using a PCMCIA to Serial card to provide a COM: port.? Can anyone see any problems with that? All the best and I thank you for your time in advance .. T i m (London) ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
RE: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:09:44 -0600 From: phillip ramirez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Some answers please? Tim, Then I would get a targus universal auto/air unit.. Can get them from ebay. Just need the end part.. -Original Message- From: T i m [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 1:22 PM To: Libretto Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:24:39 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Hi Neil and All, neil barnes wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:11:02 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Some answers please? Hi All, I'm about the become the proud owner of a 50CT (32M) with all the basic bits and will need a 12V power supply for it. You'll need a 15v supply, not 12v. I can't plough my way through the Maplin site - it doesn't format properly on my browser - but any of the switch-mode 15v 2a supplies will work. It must be regulated though, not one of the 'transformer and two diodes' types. [T2] Ah, that would be a replacement for the std PSU? I hope my 50CT has the std PSU with it? What I'm looking for (and I didn't make it clear in my first post) is a 'device' for running my Libby 'from' 12VDC as in my car / motorbike etc? (Do I take it then that the Toshiba Car adapter is a 1215V DC converter (inverter)?) Where would be the best place, what sort of price please (I'm in the UK) (model number?) (nothing on eBay at the moment)? Also, is there any reason why I *shouldn't* install W95 (OSR2?) on it (It's got RedHatV(?) on it at the moment) in the hope that it would do all I need (just Win95/98 GPS map routing software (Mapsource) and digital still camera offloads) and that's the sort of OS that was around Only matters of taste :) when the Libby was first out? (wasn't it?) The 50 was supplied with W95 or W95b. It can be a little slow with w98 - e.g. it won't play mp3 without stuttering, though 95 will. On the other hand, there are shutdown problems sometimes with msgsvr32.exe in 95. 98 has a much quicker shutdown. [T2] I've have / had more shutdown problems with W98SE than any of them (on desktop machines that is) ! Lastly, rather than taking the Mini port extender with me when we are out on our motorcycle / camping trips, I thought about using a PCMCIA to Serial card to provide a COM: port.? Can anyone see any problems with that? All the best and I thank you for your time in advance .. T i m (London) ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:46:32 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Hi Phillip, Thanks very much for the .02c ;-) vv phillip ramirez wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:02:11 -0600 From: phillip ramirez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Some answers please? Reason I would use the dock is cause you dont have to spend the extra money on the pcmcia card which is expensive and risk loosing the dongle. Buy a second dock for home.. Just my .02 [T] I agree with the price on PCMCIA Serial (they seem to be around 100 pounds new) but I'm not quite sure how big / heavy the Mini port extender is (I don't mean it's big or heavy but it's not as invisible as a PCMCIA card ... it's just we have to try and cut down to the minimum when motorcycle camping)? I take your point re the dongle though .. ;-( Thanks for your time Phillip .. ;-) T i m -Original Message- From: T i m [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 9:22 AM To: Libretto Subject: [LIB] Some answers please? Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:11:02 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Some answers please? Hi All, I'm about the become the proud owner of a 50CT (32M) with all the basic bits and will need a 12V power supply for it. Where would be the best place, what sort of price please (I'm in the UK) (model number?) (nothing on eBay at the moment)? Also, is there any reason why I *shouldn't* install W95 (OSR2?) on it (It's got RedHatV(?) on it at the moment) in the hope that it would do all I need (just Win95/98 GPS map routing software (Mapsource) and digital still camera offloads) and that's the sort of OS that was around when the Libby was first out? (wasn't it?) Lastly, rather than taking the Mini port extender with me when we are out on our motorcycle / camping trips, I thought about using a PCMCIA to Serial card to provide a COM: port.? Can anyone see any problems with that? All the best and I thank you for your time in advance .. T i m (London) ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:47:57 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Hi again Phillip, phillip ramirez wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:09:44 -0600 From: phillip ramirez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Some answers please? Tim, Then I would get a targus universal auto/air unit.. Can get them from ebay. Just need the end part.. [T] Ok, thanks, now I know what to look for ... ;-) All the best .. T i m ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
RE: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:27:56 -0600 From: phillip ramirez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Some answers please? The extender is hardly or should be hardly an issue.. Use it for a mount point when you get the libby situated and know where you want to store it.. Or leave it together..I am using the port base as a mount for my car.. Will allow me to plug right in and have the gps unit and mp3 ready to go.. Now if I can only get linux to run maps. That I could import from sa ;-) -Original Message- From: T i m [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 5:57 PM To: Libretto Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:46:32 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Hi Phillip, Thanks very much for the .02c ;-) vv phillip ramirez wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:02:11 -0600 From: phillip ramirez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Some answers please? Reason I would use the dock is cause you dont have to spend the extra money on the pcmcia card which is expensive and risk loosing the dongle. Buy a second dock for home.. Just my .02 [T] I agree with the price on PCMCIA Serial (they seem to be around 100 pounds new) but I'm not quite sure how big / heavy the Mini port extender is (I don't mean it's big or heavy but it's not as invisible as a PCMCIA card ... it's just we have to try and cut down to the minimum when motorcycle camping)? I take your point re the dongle though .. ;-( Thanks for your time Phillip .. ;-) T i m -Original Message- From: T i m [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 9:22 AM To: Libretto Subject: [LIB] Some answers please? Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:11:02 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Some answers please? Hi All, I'm about the become the proud owner of a 50CT (32M) with all the basic bits and will need a 12V power supply for it. Where would be the best place, what sort of price please (I'm in the UK) (model number?) (nothing on eBay at the moment)? Also, is there any reason why I *shouldn't* install W95 (OSR2?) on it (It's got RedHatV(?) on it at the moment) in the hope that it would do all I need (just Win95/98 GPS map routing software (Mapsource) and digital still camera offloads) and that's the sort of OS that was around when the Libby was first out? (wasn't it?) Lastly, rather than taking the Mini port extender with me when we are out on our motorcycle / camping trips, I thought about using a PCMCIA to Serial card to provide a COM: port.? Can anyone see any problems with that? All the best and I thank you for your time in advance .. T i m (London) ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive
RE: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:28:51 -0600 From: phillip ramirez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Some answers please? Oh looks lie mobilus was an off brand from targus. And cheeper but just rebadged.. They were going last week for about 30bucks us. Good luck -Original Message- From: T i m [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 5:57 PM To: Libretto Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:47:57 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Hi again Phillip, phillip ramirez wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:09:44 -0600 From: phillip ramirez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Some answers please? Tim, Then I would get a targus universal auto/air unit.. Can get them from ebay. Just need the end part.. [T] Ok, thanks, now I know what to look for ... ;-) All the best .. T i m ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 00:44:44 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Hi Phillip phillip ramirez wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:27:56 -0600 From: phillip ramirez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Some answers please? The extender is hardly or should be hardly an issue.. Use it for a mount point when you get the libby situated and know where you want to store it.. [T] Ok, for my needs the extender will just be attached to the back for the serial port use. When we are motor biking it will be wrapped up in a waterproof padded bag in the trailer (behind the bike) and in the tent it will be on my lap? Or leave it together..I am using the port base as a mount for my car.. [T] Ah, now if we were in a car! ;-) Will allow me to plug right in and have the gps unit and mp3 ready to go.. [T] Sounds like you have it all sorted Phillip! Now if I can only get linux to run maps. [T] Well, I can just get Linux to run .. and then I'm stuck as to what to do with it ;-( That I could import from sa ;-) [T] Ah .. ;-) You also said ... Oh looks lie mobilus was an off brand from targus. And cheeper but just rebadged.. They were going last week for about 30bucks us. Good luck [T] Ok .. I'll look but I tend to stay on the UK eBay at the moment .. (If you find the link ..?) All the best again and thanks for the help .. T i m ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
RE: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:48:53 -0600 From: phillip ramirez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Some answers please? Thats prob best to stay with the uk ebay hehe -Original Message- From: T i m [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 6:52 PM To: Libretto Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 00:44:44 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Hi Phillip phillip ramirez wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:27:56 -0600 From: phillip ramirez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Some answers please? The extender is hardly or should be hardly an issue.. Use it for a mount point when you get the libby situated and know where you want to store it.. [T] Ok, for my needs the extender will just be attached to the back for the serial port use. When we are motor biking it will be wrapped up in a waterproof padded bag in the trailer (behind the bike) and in the tent it will be on my lap? Or leave it together..I am using the port base as a mount for my car.. [T] Ah, now if we were in a car! ;-) Will allow me to plug right in and have the gps unit and mp3 ready to go.. [T] Sounds like you have it all sorted Phillip! Now if I can only get linux to run maps. [T] Well, I can just get Linux to run .. and then I'm stuck as to what to do with it ;-( That I could import from sa ;-) [T] Ah .. ;-) You also said ... Oh looks lie mobilus was an off brand from targus. And cheeper but just rebadged.. They were going last week for about 30bucks us. Good luck [T] Ok .. I'll look but I tend to stay on the UK eBay at the moment .. (If you find the link ..?) All the best again and thanks for the help .. T i m ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:10:10 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 11:21 AM 17/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:24:39 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Hi Neil and All, neil barnes wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:11:02 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Some answers please? Hi All, I'm about the become the proud owner of a 50CT (32M) with all the basic bits and will need a 12V power supply for it. You'll need a 15v supply, not 12v. I can't plough my way through the Maplin site - it doesn't format properly on my browser - but any of the switch-mode 15v 2a supplies will work. It must be regulated though, not one of the 'transformer and two diodes' types. [T2] Ah, that would be a replacement for the std PSU? I hope my 50CT has the std PSU with it? What I'm looking for (and I didn't make it clear in my first post) is a 'device' for running my Libby 'from' 12VDC as in my car / motorbike etc? (Do I take it then that the Toshiba Car adapter is a 1215V DC converter (inverter)?) OK you can do what Xin does at www.fixup.net ... the L50 will actually run off 12 volts but needs 13.8 volts to start. If you're worried about spikes or whatnot, you can get a switchmode DC to DC converter. I picked up a PowerXtender emPower adapter designed to plug into a car's 12 volt system as well as an aircraft in-seat power system which seems to work nicely ... there are others out there, check the archives ... IIRC though at least one of the others does generate interference that can be picked up on FM radio. Have a trawl around some of the clearance places, the one I got was actually for a DEC notebook (actually, only the PLUG is unique, the actual transformer goes from 5 to 24 volts), it only cost me $7USD or so (normally expect to pay about $40USD or so). Watch the voltages though, this one actually pumps out 24 volts and the voltage is set by the plug (which I couldn't figure out how to reverse engineer to give me 15 volts) ... I ended up putting a 15 volt linear regulator and big heatsink on it (OK there goes my efficiency but hey it works!). The 50 was supplied with W95 or W95b. It can be a little slow with w98 - e.g. it won't play mp3 without stuttering, though 95 will. On the other hand, there are shutdown problems sometimes with msgsvr32.exe in 95. 98 has a much quicker shutdown. Dunno what you're talking about, mine is pretty much a factory install plus IE5 and WiMP7 (I think) and a few other bits and pieces, shuts down damn fast unless it needs to kill a network connection first and I've never had a shutdown issue with it (actually I DID but that was under Red Hat 6.2 when I accidentally used an SMP kernel ;-) ... I mainly hibernate it though so thats a non-issue (watch it though, you've got to disable IrDA scanning before suspending otherwise the IrDA driver will hold the libby on ... NOT good when you close the lid and put it in your pocket and expect it to be turned off!). - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:10:45 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 07:21 AM 17/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:11:02 + From: T i m [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Some answers please? ... Also, is there any reason why I *shouldn't* install W95 (OSR2?) on it (It's got RedHatV(?) on it at the moment) in the hope that it would do all I need (just Win95/98 GPS map routing software (Mapsource) and digital still camera offloads) and that's the sort of OS that was around when the Libby was first out? (wasn't it?) No reason ... I've got Windows 95b with IE5.0 running on my L50 with 16 meg of RAM and I've only ever had 1 crash on it (and THAT was when I was stuffing around with some hibernation thing that fell over on me). It IS quite possible to have a rock solid Windows 95 install on the L50 and its not like I treat this thing with kid gloves ... Matlab, PSPICE, Word, IE and Winamp all going at once isn't exactly kind on a computer of this era for instance ;-) Lastly, rather than taking the Mini port extender with me when we are out on our motorcycle / camping trips, I thought about using a PCMCIA to Serial card to provide a COM: port.? Can anyone see any problems with that? Umm ... well I can see a heat problem depending on how hot it gets on your motorcycle, especially if you've overclocked. I find that once the ambient air temperature hits about 28ºC, the libby will overheat within 20 minutes or so when placed on a flat insulating surface (ie. my wooden desk) with ANY card in the slot (granted my libby is clocked to 100, you might push it further if you don't overclock it). What do you need to run off the serial port? It might well be faster/easier to use the infrared serial port, its a (relatively) trivial matter adapting most serial devices to run off that. Of course, your OTHER problems are FINDING a serial PCMCIA card and finding a way to NOT lose/break that dongle! - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:18:29 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? At 12:36 PM 17/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:35:20 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? How long does yours run on batteries and are you in a car or on a bike? All the best. Be warned, the screen is no good during the day, unless it's pretty cloudy. I take a jacket along to make a light hood out of. (no good for driving!) To run in the car, I have a small 110V inverter. It's more versatile that way, and it protects the L from transients in the car electrical system. Heh and I thought my stepping from 11-16 volts to 24 then back to 15 was inefficient! I haven't timed mine lately, a couple hours on the big pack I think. I get just under 2 hours on a brand new standard pack with the libby on high power and playing MP3s continuously ... that was with my old hard drive, IIRC my new one uses a tad less power so it might be even longer now. - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Some answers please?
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:28:36 -0500 From: David VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Some answers please? Heh and I thought my stepping from 11-16 volts to 24 then back to 15 was inefficient! For my application, it's not an issue. If it was, I'd do a small boost regulator, 15V out from 9-15V in. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
