Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up
Op dinsdag 11-08-2009 om 22:12 uur [tijdzone -0300], schreef Han-Wen Nienhuys: > - GNU and (new) website can be trimmed from the title. We do not want to trim GNU. Remember the long thread on devel, where even contributors did not realise we are GNU, or ever heard of it? > - I think the freedom propaganda should be moved elsewhere. I think you misinterpreted. I did some basic search engine tests. Try searching for "music software" or "free music software". If you need to print sheet music, and you have a hope there is something you can just download for free, that's what you'd look for, right? LilyPond is on rank #223, Sibelius and Finale are at #6 and #8. I tried to start a private discussion on search terms and what we need on the front page, but "music", "software" and "free" are smart things to have, I think? In the past, we just happened to miss "software". > how do I use this style? Use a real browser! ;-) Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter Avatar®: http://AvatarAcademy.nl| http://lilypond.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website non-git help
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > > http://lilypond.org/~graham/Features.html > (I've made the links clearer) > > - are we missing any worthwhile info? (like those bulleted lists > of features?) Could we add a link in the first paragraph to the (upcoming) essay? Perhaps on the words "beautifully engraved music". The essay was a prominent feature of the previous web design, and says a lot about the attention to detail that goes into LilyPond. Andrew ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:55:52AM -0400, Chris Snyder wrote: > Graham Percival wrote: > > hey, that's life in open-source projects! If you feel at all > > enthusiastic about the new website, please consider helping. > > I'd like to help, though I realize it's quite late in the game for me to > get up to speed on the environment you're using. One major area I see is > the editing environments page (which, as far as I can see, doesn't > currently exist). IMO, such a page is best reserved until people have a little bit of experience with lilypond. As such, I'm looking at LM 1.x (where x>1) or possibly in the AU, having been mentioned and linked previously. I could be convinced that it should be added to Introduction, but it would take a moderate amount of work. Until people have tried typesetting a few examples, would they really see the benefit of point-and-click, autocompletion, or pop-up help? Conversely, do we want people referring back to the Introduction pages after they've decided they want to use lilypond? The current idea is that potential users read the Introduction, decide to use it, download it, then read Manuals and Community. Granted, several places in the LM and AU link back to the website, so there's no great harm in putting it in Introduction rather than one of the manuals. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:41:06PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: > > When I looked at my commit in gitk I didn't see the whole commit message. > Did > > you see it? I did that one-line message, then went down a couple of lines > and > > used # comment lines to further explain the Makefile change. > > *head smack* > Haha! > > Jonathan, didn't you notice the: > # (Comment lines starting with '#' will not be included) > line that's included every time you type "git commit" ? > > Yeah, but I guess I didn't understand it properly. I thought there was the top line that was the succinct commit message, then lines below that where you could elaborate. I guess you have to elaborate without #comment characters? Geez. Somehow I had it in my head that you needed to comment the explanatory comments. ;) Sigh. Jon -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:41:06PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: > When I looked at my commit in gitk I didn't see the whole commit message. Did > you see it? I did that one-line message, then went down a couple of lines and > used # comment lines to further explain the Makefile change. *head smack* Jonathan, didn't you notice the: # (Comment lines starting with '#' will not be included) line that's included every time you type "git commit" ? :P > but I guess it's defined further up the tree. I didn't realize there was a new > "generate-examples" target. Sorry if I caused troubles. :( No, it's no trouble at all. As I said, these makefiles won't ever be used in the main branch. And hopefully we won't have to update the examples ever again on web-gop... and if we do, it's no trouble to do so from that dir, rather than the texinfo/ dir. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:12:58PM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > - The colors in the secondary menu bar don't make sense to me. The > colors in the top bar are used to indicate which item is selected. > it's > impossible to tell at first glance which submenu item you have chosen. This would be improved if we applied the gradient-backgrounds to the second-layer menu. > Also, the positioning is awkward to the left. Would you rather have it centered? I'm not against such a change. > - GNU and (new) website can be trimmed from the title. Done; I changed it to "LilyPond... music notation for everyone". > - I think the freedom propaganda should be moved elsewhere. I think > we are primarily trying to compete on quality of output. I think the > political background can be trimmed much further at this stage of the > 'sell'. Are you referring to the home page, Introduction->(main), Introducton->Features, or Introduction->Freedom? I think that Intro->Freedom is fine -- that's the main reason I started using lilypond. Besides, if that doesn't appeal to people, they can easily skip to the main page. I'm definitely willing to reduce the proganda on other pages. > - The GPL should just be linked from the gnu site, I think. Hmm. We need to include the FDL directly for the pdf+info manuals. IMO, if we include it for those outputs, we might as well include it for HTML as well. And if we're doing the FDL, we might as well include the GPL. I don't think it gets in the way -- again, if somebody clicks on that menu item by accident, they can easily click somewhere else. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:26:37PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: > > I've fixed it and pushed. > > Thanks! > > > I also had to modify the makefile in the examples dir--explanation in the > > commit message. > > Ah, I see. I set it up so that I could run "make > generate-examples" from the main dir. It doesn't matter, though > -- John doesn't like that setup, so it's only a temporary thing > for web-gop anyway. > When I looked at my commit in gitk I didn't see the whole commit message. Did you see it? I did that one-line message, then went down a couple of lines and used # comment lines to further explain the Makefile change. Can you see those? What's the command to read a whole commit message from the command line instead of using gitk? Anyway all I said was that $(DEST) didn't appear to be defined, but I guess it's defined further up the tree. I didn't realize there was a new "generate-examples" target. Sorry if I caused troubles. :( > > > p.s. I've been quiet lately mostly b/c I'm trying to recover from > tendonitis. > > Trying to keep typing to a minimum. :( > > Yikes! Ok, I'll reduce the amount that I pester you. Get better > soon. :( > > Thanks man. :) Jon -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:32:33AM -0700, MonAmiPierrot wrote: > > - the top note in the download page should be bigger, blood red, blinking > and should grab the user by the face and oblige him to read it. It's just > too important. And it should not say "please", but just "If you do not know > what is a batch parser, JUST READ THIS CAREFULLY before doing anything > else". Better to scare 10 very unwilling (and unlikely really interested) > users than frustrating ONE otherwise good-willing one. I'd rather not make that trade-off. I think the warnings are clear enough as they are... let's wait and see how many confused people we get in the six months after the new website becomes the main one. If we still have frustrated potential users who didn't realize this, we can revisit the visibility of the warning. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:26:37PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: > I've fixed it and pushed. Thanks! > I also had to modify the makefile in the examples dir--explanation in the > commit message. Ah, I see. I set it up so that I could run "make generate-examples" from the main dir. It doesn't matter, though -- John doesn't like that setup, so it's only a temporary thing for web-gop anyway. > p.s. I've been quiet lately mostly b/c I'm trying to recover from tendonitis. > Trying to keep typing to a minimum. :( Yikes! Ok, I'll reduce the amount that I pester you. Get better soon. :( Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: setting notes alone
On 8/11/09 1:49 PM, "MonAmiPierrot" wrote: > then I entered the "\clef bass" and used only the note "a," to produce a > perfectly middle-positioned rhythmical examples, then I tried to put the > output in the LaTeX environment of my dissertation. Is there a reason why you can't use lilypond-book? That's the best way I know of to combind LilyPond with LaTeX. HTH, Carl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
new website non-git help
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 02:38:34PM +0100, Gerard McConnell wrote: > I have to say I'm very grateful for the work that's been > done on Lilypond, so I'd certainly like to help in some > way. Without getting into git or programming, how could I help? Popular question; here's a few things! 1) The current Introduction->Features and Introduction->Examples pages are intended to condense three pages from the old site. One -user reader looked through them and said that the new page looks fine, but I'd like a few more people to examine them. http://lilypond.org/~graham/Features.html (I've made the links clearer) - are we missing any worthwhile info? (like those bulleted lists of features?) - do we waste space discussing things that are covered elsewhere? (do we need a "Free software" heading on the Features page, since there's the whole Introducton->Freedom page on this subject?) 2) Is there any info on the old site that isn't on the new site? Have we covered everything useful from Introduction, About? 3) Any cool images on the old site that aren't being used? This kind-of follows from #2, but instead of looking at complete html pages, you could look at http://lilypond.org/web/images/ for example, does http://lilypond.org/web/images/hader-collage.jpeg or http://lilypond.org/web/images/hader-slaan.jpeg look particularly cool to you? 4) I really want to have a "return to first page in this section" link. Currently that's called (main), which is a name that nobody likes. Find an alternate name for this, which ideally isn't very long. (otherwise the Manuals 2nd menu is too long for 800 pixels) Alternately, convince me that we don't need such a link. 5) Can you think of anything to add to the Introduction->Freedom page? Any reasons that appeal to you, as a user, that I haven't covered? 6) Are you famous, or could you pretend to be famous? Give us a neat quote for the Testimonials page! Bonus points if you can include a picture. 7) Can you write English? Look for grammatical or spelling mistakes, or even better, try to find easier/shorter ways of rewriting some phrases. (although the website will be translated into a few languages, we still have many readers with various levels of English.) Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 03:18:16PM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > > > > 1. On the examples page, under the "Jesu, Meine Freude", it says > > (click for longer excerpt) when it should say (click to enlarge). > > Thanks, fixed. > > > 2. On the examples page, under Modern Music, one of the f's is shifted > > down for some reason in the score for by Trevor Baca (bottom staff). > > It's a spacing issue; a bug. > > Jonathan: investigate, tweak the input, use a different version of > lilypond, whatever. > I've fixed it and pushed. Trevor uses special macros for those dynamic markings, and for whatever reason one of them got dropped below all the others. I replaced it with a standard \f dynamic and that seems to have done it. I also had to modify the makefile in the examples dir--explanation in the commit message. Jon p.s. I've been quiet lately mostly b/c I'm trying to recover from tendonitis. Trying to keep typing to a minimum. :( -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: problems with learning lilypond
David Fedoruk wrote: > ... I agree with everything you've said. I used to hate LilyPond; now I'm a developer... I've experienced some pull-your-hair-out aggravating confusions, but I've stuck with it. Yes, it's a work- in-progress. Yes, it comes with no warranty. But it can be rewarding to be a part of something big. LilyPond is getting better every day. One of the ways it gets better is when frustrated users speak clearly. I was initially surprised when some of my early complaints were met with enthusiasm -- "how can we make it better"? "what would you like to see"? I think the best thing you can do is to tell us about your frustrations. Certainly try to figure things out on your own first, and of course use a diplomatic tone, but tell us what bugs you. We all know that the documentation isn't perfect, but we're all so busy with specifics that we don't have time to imagine what parts might lead to confusion. The documentation is tweaked every day. And if you're not sure how to ask the question, just do your best. Sometimes users confuse slurs and ties, for example... But the replies are usually gentle. If your question demonstrates a misconeption, we'll try to clarify it. And with regard to "telling an expert that he may be wrong about something", just avoid using any tone. Insist on accuracy, from yourself and others. Choosing your words carefully is a given. Don't make any claims that you can't prove. As a word of advice, I would recommend channeling your frustrations into clearly-worded questions/suggestions. Then everyone benefits. - Mark ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
--- On Wed, 8/12/09, Graham Percival wrote: > From: Graham Percival > Subject: Re: new website, draft 7 > To: "Jonathan Wilkes" > Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org, "Jonathan Kulp" > Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:44 AM > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 03:18:16PM > -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > > > > 1. On the examples page, under the "Jesu, Meine > Freude", it says > > (click for longer excerpt) when it should say (click > to enlarge). > > Thanks, fixed. > > > 2. On the examples page, under Modern Music, one > of the f's is shifted > > down for some reason in the score for by Trevor Baca > (bottom staff). > > It's a spacing issue; a bug. > > Jonathan: investigate, tweak the input, use a different > version of > lilypond, whatever. > > > 3. On the features page, under the "No Fiddling" > heading, it says, > > "Don’t waste time with tweaking the output." I > think should read "Spend less time tweaking output." I > say this because (as far as I know) there > > are still simple things like measure numbers floating > above text spanners > > that require tweaks (albeit simple ones). > > Good point, done. > > > 4. On the frontpage, there's a lilypad sitting > on top of Lilypond's output :) > > Yeah, I'm not wild about that, but most people seem to like > it. :| Wow, I'm out of touch! But I'm also not a designer so I come offering no alternatives. I like the angled white staff in the background, though. -Jonathan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 03:49:41AM -0700, Graham Percival wrote: > Hi folks. > http://lilypond.org/~graham/ > > Make sure you check out the alternate CSS style #2. This has > fancy gradient-shaded menu bars, which could be a great hit. It's > /much/ easier to see which item you have selected. If you like > it, make sure you let us know, so that it can be added to the > default layout. I don't mind this alternate stylesheet; it's fancy, not too tacky, and it goes well with the green (IMO). However, I have some concerns: - The CSS needs to be cleaned up. - The rules (#pageHeader .heading) and (#pageHeader p) have incorrect margins; currently, there are collisions happening. - Looking at the diff from default.css -> alt2.css, it is unclear to me how this design can incorporate the miniature logo (lily-home.png) with the background gradient idea. Since both use the background-image rule, a new design decision needs to be made if we want to keep lily-home.png. - If we do not want to keep lily-home.png, what will takes its place? If we want to scrap it, the entire #tocframe needs to be adjusted accordingly. - Some of the other margins in div#main should be adjusted too. For these items, we need volunteers. I don't really want to touch the CSS much more, but I can give pointers. Thanks, Patrick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: problems with learning lilypond
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 06:37:19PM -0700, David Fedoruk wrote: > The documentation for Lilypond has one problem; it is, as the program is > itself, under development. It is screamingly frustrating for us > non-programmer > users. Yes, but nothing forces people to upgrade. The documentation for 2.12.1 never changes. > Call this a rant if you want, but I do not mean it as such. I'm just stating > that the Lilypond documentation is not perfect, it is changing almost as we > speak and patience with it is required. Either patience, or work. The more people who work on the docs, the more stable they get. During the Grand Documentation Project, NR 1+2 were *almost* complete. NR 2.1 Vocal music -- for some people, the most important section -- was almost untouched, though. In the near future, that will be completely rewritten. If a few more people had been involved in GDP, this wouldn't be an issue. NR 1+2 could have been completed a year ago, and you could rely on them not changing. As it is, some of those sections (or maybe just 2.1 Vocal) /will/ change within the next year. *shrug* Just like a democracy receives the government it deserves (where that be Bush in the US, Obama in the US, Harper in Canada, or Blair in the UK... somebody bound to hate at least one of those governments ;), the users of lilypond recieve the documentation they deserve. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 03:18:16PM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > > 1. On the examples page, under the "Jesu, Meine Freude", it says > (click for longer excerpt) when it should say (click to enlarge). Thanks, fixed. > 2. On the examples page, under Modern Music, one of the f's is shifted > down for some reason in the score for by Trevor Baca (bottom staff). It's a spacing issue; a bug. Jonathan: investigate, tweak the input, use a different version of lilypond, whatever. > 3. On the features page, under the "No Fiddling" heading, it says, > "Don’t waste time with tweaking the output." I think should read "Spend less > time tweaking output." I say this because (as far as I know) there > are still simple things like measure numbers floating above text spanners > that require tweaks (albeit simple ones). Good point, done. > 4. On the frontpage, there's a lilypad sitting on top of Lilypond's output :) Yeah, I'm not wild about that, but most people seem to like it. :| Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:18:05AM -0400, Chris Snyder wrote: > On Text-input.html, the pop music example is missing a hyphen and an > extender line in the first measure (though perhaps this was intentional > to simplify things?) I'd rather avoid those. Of course, I'd also like to get different lyrics in there, and hopefully those new lyrics wouldn't have an obvious missing hyphen. The SVG images are available, so if anybody knows how to use inkscape, this is a fairly easy project. > On Productions.html, I think you mis-entered the name of the other > publishing company listed - on that page it's "The Shady Lady > Publishing" but it looks like it should be "The Shady Lane Publishing" > (though I quite like the former!). Whoops, thanks! > Related to LilyPond promotion - do any people have suggestions as to how > to explain it to people unfamiliar with LilyPond or the open source > philosophy in general? I've done it as best as I can on the Freedom page. > The concept is certainly much more mainstream > than it used to be (using Linux or Firefox as examples seems to help) > but it's still difficult to explain. I find that it helps to call it "volunteering" -- I mean, most people are familiar with organizations like Doctors Without Borders, and nobody (seriously) asks "well, what do the doctors get out of it?". > Also, I'm never sure how to promote > LilyPond to technical illiterates who are used to a point-and-click > interface. Again, our Text input page is the best that I've seen so far. I'm not opposed to changing either of those pages if anybody can come up with better reasons/explanations/etc, of course! Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: problems with learning lilypond
The documentation for Lilypond has one problem; it is, as the program is itself, under development. It is screamingly frustrating for us non-programmer users. However, that said, it is changing because it is not nearly finished, it is required to print many different kinds of music. The Learning Manual was scarcely present when i started using Lilypond. It has changed and is continuing to change. That is frequently frustrating because things you knew were in a certain spot get changed. Sometimes its like quicksand. The ground changes beneath you as you walk on it. But that is life with a program under development. Even having read the Learning Manual, applying it in different situations is not always easy. Personally I have found that asking the question on the mailing list is not as helpful as spending a little time struggling with the problem. Most of the time I find solutions. Unfortunately, what I need Lilypond for isn't small projects. So even If I've gone through the Learning Manual start to finish, its still like I've been thrown into the deep end of a swimming pool and told to swim. As you can see, I haven't drowned yet. There's lots I don't understand yet but I'll get there. Since I usually am working with piano music, I have found that working with a 4 voiced template to begin with is the best way too go. Most piano music is basically four voiced music despite what you may see on the page. I learned that by working with it over a period of time. No one told me that. Because, the improvements being made to Lilypond are occurring in the development versions I have found that using them has been the best way for me to use Llilypond. That will not be true for everyone. Everyone's experience with Lilypond will be different. I know I learn best when I am working hands on. I don't learn very well from manuals with theoretical examples. So I've adjusted how I work with Llilypond to account for that. I use the snippets library a lot. Lots of the time the things I want to do are out of the ordinary anyway, but that's life with Western European Music. It is extremely complex. Call this a rant if you want, but I do not mean it as such. I'm just stating that the Lilypond documentation is not perfect, it is changing almost as we speak and patience with it is required. From the very little I have encountered with GUI music notation editors, they are not much easier than Lilypond. At least with Lilypond you can get some quick impressive results with just an editor and a command line. Scheme just frustrates me. Everytime I think I've gotten a handle on it there's a curve ball thrown at. Obviously I haven't grasped it quite yet. I'm not letting this stop me from completing projects though --- I just keep going and learning a little more each time. Patience is what is required. Despite my lack of understanding, I have managed to complete some pretty complex scores on my own. I'm just stubborn enough to keep at it. The reason that adult beginners hardly ever do well when learning to play the piano isn't because their fingers cannot do what is required, they fail because they are not patient enough to keep practising simple things until their fingers acquire the technique to do what their minds have already learned. I think Lilypond is something like that. In both cases, patience and some dogged determination are required to learn the skills needed to do what you want. One other thing, much of the time I have questions, but do not know how to ask the question. That is extremely frustrating and I don't know if there is anything you can do about it. Sometimes i just don't know the correct terminology to use. Many things that are assumed when you are playing the music are not assumed when you are typesetting the music. I've tripped over that one many times. Lilypond isn't perfect, recently the way Lilypond works with Jazz chords and lead sheets has undergone drastic change. This was a matter of those who knew something some of the developers did not know or understand taking the time to explain how things worked in real life. It is difficult to tell an expert that he may be wrong about something. Choosing words carefully gets good results, rants almost never get the required results. I don't like the quicksand any more than anyone else, but considering the state of the program, that is the way things are. Enough said. cheers, davidf -- David Fedoruk B.Mus. UBC,1986 Certificate in Internet Systems Administration, UBC, 2003 http://recordjackethistorian.wordpress.com "Music is enough for one's life time, but one life time is not enough for music" Sergei Rachmaninov ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:12:58PM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Graham > Percival wrote: > > - I think the freedom propaganda should be moved elsewhere. I think > we are primarily trying to compete on quality of output. I think the > political background can be trimmed much further at this stage of the > 'sell'. If you're talking about the home page, it was because somebody wanted LilyPond to show up on google searches for "free music software". I personally consider Search Engine Optimization to be the realm of scum-sucking marketers and beneath me, but I wanted to be polite to him. (oops :) > - What is the plan for the search box? It appears to be disfunctional. Plan is whatever works on the current website, but that's been a lower priority than trying to get stuff ready for translators -- fixing the address in the init perl script can be done without disrupting the translation effort. > > Make sure you check out the alternate CSS style #2. This has > > fancy gradient-shaded menu bars, which could be a great hit. It's > > /much/ easier to see which item you have selected. If you like > > it, make sure you let us know, so that it can be added to the > > default layout. > > how do I use this style? In firefox, it's View->Page style->Alternate style 2. In safari, it's... it's... huh, that sucks. I just assumed that all browsers would have something similar. :( OK, for the next 24 hours or so, I'll make Alternate 2 the default. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Graham Percival wrote: > Hi folks. > http://lilypond.org/~graham/ > > Most of the people who have been working on the website, including > me, are fed up with it. I'm ready to shovel this out the door > just to get rid of it... not particularly the best frame of mind > to be introducing a major change to our users' experience, but > hey, that's life in open-source projects! If you feel at all > enthusiastic about the new website, please consider helping. Some gratuitous comments (no, I am not volunteering). - Cool, generally looks slick. - The colors in the secondary menu bar don't make sense to me. The colors in the top bar are used to indicate which item is selected. it's impossible to tell at first glance which submenu item you have chosen. Also, the positioning is awkward to the left. - (main) as a title in the submenu looks odd. - GNU and (new) website can be trimmed from the title. - I think the freedom propaganda should be moved elsewhere. I think we are primarily trying to compete on quality of output. I think the political background can be trimmed much further at this stage of the 'sell'. - What is the plan for the search box? It appears to be disfunctional. - The GPL should just be linked from the gnu site, I think. > Make sure you check out the alternate CSS style #2. This has > fancy gradient-shaded menu bars, which could be a great hit. It's > /much/ easier to see which item you have selected. If you like > it, make sure you let us know, so that it can be added to the > default layout. how do I use this style? -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - han...@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: beaming in 6/8
It's been quite some time I've checked this, but now it seems to work.
This bug was related to beaming in 6/8 measures. Thanks all for fixing
it. Now I can release BWV 910 to Mutopia.
And one more thing: the new Lilypondtool is awesome. Point-and-click
is what I was waiting for. Not to mention tweaking the positions of
every single object in the pdf directly. Köszi, Berci!
Best,
Imre Polik
2007/2/16 Mats Bengtsson
>
> The following seems to work:
> \time 6/8
> \set Timing.beatLength = #(ly:make-moment 3 8)
>
> This should clearly be the default for 6/8 time signatures, so I send a copy
> of
> your email to bug-lilypond as well. Here's a complete example for the bug
> report:
>
> \version "2.11.18"
>
> \relative c' {
> \time 6/8
> c8. d16 e f c8. d16 e f |
> \set Timing.beatLength = #(ly:make-moment 3 8)
> c8. d16 e f c8. d16 e f |
> }
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Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 09:55:28AM -0700, Mark Polesky wrote: > I don't think "mailist" is a word. I prefer "mailing list" (it's > what you'll find in dictionaries, wikipedia, etc). If you like the > shorter form, I'd prefer "mail list" or "mail-list", or perhaps > "maillist" (but less so). http://lilypond.org/~graham/Contact.html I was concerned that "Developer mailing list: lilypond-de...@gnu.org" would be too long for our minimum resolution (800 pixels), but I just tested it and it's fine. Applied. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re:new website, draft 7
Hello, I have a few minor comments about the new website: 1. On the examples page, under the "Jesu, Meine Freude", it says (click for longer excerpt) when it should say (click to enlarge). 2. On the examples page, under Modern Music, one of the f's is shifted down for some reason in the score for by Trevor Baca (bottom staff). 3. On the features page, under the "No Fiddling" heading, it says, "Don’t waste time with tweaking the output." I think should read "Spend less time tweaking output." I say this because (as far as I know) there are still simple things like measure numbers floating above text spanners that require tweaks (albeit simple ones). 4. On the frontpage, there's a lilypad sitting on top of Lilypond's output :) Btw, it's a great looking site! I'm really impressed with all the work that's gone into Lilypond's development/documentation/webdesign. Best, Jonathan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up
2009/8/11 MonAmiPierrot : > - the b/w image behind the lilypond is just too flat and boring. I would put > something much more elaborated, maybe with text. Otherwise, I would switch > to as it was before, just with the shaded green/white example, which is just > perfect. I'm on it. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) www.paconet.org www.csmbadajoz.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: setting notes alone
MonAmiPierrot wrote: > > But I guess you're on Windows. Anyone else? > Is it that evident? :( It's in your e-mail signature. - Mark ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: setting notes alone
Mark Polesky wrote: > > > But I guess you're on Windows. Anyone else? > > Is it that evident? :( - Piero Faustini Main Software used: - LyX 1.6.2 on WinXP sp3; EndNote & JabRef - MikTex - LaTeX class: Koma book - Lilypond 2.12 for example excerpts - BibLaTeX for bibliographies -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/setting-notes-alone-tp24901934p24925829.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: setting notes alone
MonAmiPierrot wrote: > Anyway there's still too much white space up and down (respectively, the > equivalent of 1-2 and 3-4 inter-stafflines space) so that the example > doesn't fit. > I don't want to manipulate the outuput of all my examples: I want it to be > done already by lilypond: is there a manner to cut also the unused white > space (i.e. all the space above and under the standard staff?) (better not > by the command-line) > Thanks If you were on Linux, you could use this: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-10/msg00041.html But I guess you're on Windows. Anyone else? - Mark ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: setting notes alone
Mark Polesky wrote:
>
>
> MonAmiPierrot wrote:
>
>> And how to remove clef and meter?
>
> \layout{
> \context {
> \Staff
> \remove Clef_engraver
> \remove Time_signature_engraver
> }
> }
>
>> And how to remove just the staff pentagram, but keeping barlines?
>
> \layout{
> \context {
> \Staff
> \override StaffSymbol #'transparent = ##t
> }
> }
>
> - Mark
>
Great.
Thank you Mark.
I used both tricks in one and added this instructions for cropping the
resulting eps/pdf:
indent=0\mm
oddFooterMarkup=##f
oddHeaderMarkup=##f
then I entered the "\clef bass" and used only the note "a," to produce a
perfectly middle-positioned rhythmical examples, then I tried to put the
output in the LaTeX environment of my dissertation.
Anyway there's still too much white space up and down (respectively, the
equivalent of 1-2 and 3-4 inter-stafflines space) so that the example
doesn't fit.
I don't want to manipulate the outuput of all my examples: I want it to be
done already by lilypond: is there a manner to cut also the unused white
space (i.e. all the space above and under the standard staff?) (better not
by the command-line)
Thanks
-
Piero Faustini
Main Software used:
- LyX 1.6.2 on WinXP sp3; EndNote & JabRef
- MikTex
- LaTeX class: Koma book
- Lilypond 2.12 for example excerpts
- BibLaTeX for bibliographies
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Re: staves with example notes, ancient and modern
On 11.08.2009, at 20:49, denis.roe...@loria.fr wrote: Hi, I would like to reproduce the first two staves of the section "Note values" on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensural_notation, with the label on the left. That is, I am trying to make Modern ... staff ... notation (possibly with the note names) White notation ... staff ... (with the note names) and I would like the notes being aligned. Thanks, Denis Hello! This is a rather general request. What is it that is giving you difficulty? Have you started? Do you have some experience with lilypond? Have you read the Learning Manual? If you are just starting, I would suggest reading the learning manual first and foremost, before you begin attempting to re-create the image there. That will give you an understanding of how to notate using lilypond. Lastly, I don't know if you know about it, but there is a french speaking mailing list for lilypond users. It's at http:// lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user-fr James E. Bailey ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
\cadenzaOn question
Because of a question on the german forum, I thought I'd ask here. Is
the music in a cadenza supposed to take up no time? Consider the
following:
\version "2.12.1"
\relative c'{
\time 2/4
\set Score.skipBars = ##t
c4 d
<<
{ R2^"G.P." }
\new Staff { \cadenzaOn e4 f e d \cadenzaOff }
>>
R2*2
c2
}
\relative c'{
\time 2/4
\set Score.skipBars = ##t
c4 d e f
<<
{ R2^"G.P." }
\new Staff { \cadenzaOn e4 f e d \cadenzaOff s2 }
>>
R2*2
c2
}
I can certainly understand the logic behind it, but I couldn't find
anywhere that this was explained. Perhaps it is implied in the
notation reference, but it really only mentions bar lines and bar
numbers, but not how cadenzas fit into multi-staff music.
James E. Bailey
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staves with example notes, ancient and modern
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adding footnote calls
Hi, I would like to write comments on a score, and specifically, I would like to add something like a circled 1, a circled 2, or a small letter, etc. in various places, so that later I can write: (1) this note ... (2) this group of notes differs from ... I am looking for something like an horizontal bracket to which I could add a tag, above or below. I am sure this has already been done, but I didn't find a good example. Thanks, Denis ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up
Graham Percival-3 wrote: > > > hey, that's life in open-source projects! If you feel at all > enthusiastic about the new website, please consider helping. > > > Graham, I would like to help but definitely not now (and I don't know how: I'm a zero in css, html, programming etc.) Just a pair of suggestions: - the top note in the download page should be bigger, blood red, blinking and should grab the user by the face and oblige him to read it. It's just too important. And it should not say "please", but just "If you do not know what is a batch parser, JUST READ THIS CAREFULLY before doing anything else". Better to scare 10 very unwilling (and unlikely really interested) users than frustrating ONE otherwise good-willing one. - the b/w image behind the lilypond is just too flat and boring. I would put something much more elaborated, maybe with text. Otherwise, I would switch to as it was before, just with the shaded green/white example, which is just perfect. Thank you for the effort. I think that everyone appreciate this very much. Piero - Piero Faustini Main Software used: - LyX 1.6.2 on WinXP sp3; EndNote & JabRef - MikTex - LaTeX class: Koma book - Lilypond 2.12 for example excerpts - BibLaTeX for bibliographies -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/new-website-draft-8%3A-almost-giving-up-tp24915333p24922205.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: setting notes alone
MonAmiPierrot wrote:
> And how to remove clef and meter?
\layout{
\context {
\Staff
\remove Clef_engraver
\remove Time_signature_engraver
}
}
> And how to remove just the staff pentagram, but keeping barlines?
\layout{
\context {
\Staff
\override StaffSymbol #'transparent = ##t
}
}
- Mark
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Re: setting notes alone
Jonathan Kulp-2 wrote: > > > This snippet should help you out: > > http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=167 > > Interesting. And how to remove clef and meter? And how to remove just the staff pentagram, but keeping barlines? Thanks Piero. - Piero Faustini Main Software used: - LyX 1.6.2 on WinXP sp3; EndNote & JabRef - MikTex - LaTeX class: Koma book - Lilypond 2.12 for example excerpts - BibLaTeX for bibliographies -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/setting-notes-alone-tp24901934p24921634.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up
Nitpick: I don't think "mailist" is a word. I prefer "mailing list" (it's what you'll find in dictionaries, wikipedia, etc). If you like the shorter form, I'd prefer "mail list" or "mail-list", or perhaps "maillist" (but less so). http://lilypond.org/~graham/Contact.html - Mark ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Dienstag, 11. August 2009 16:55:52 schrieb Chris Snyder: > > Make sure you check out the alternate CSS style #2. This has > > fancy gradient-shaded menu bars, which could be a great hit. It's > > /much/ easier to see which item you have selected. If you like > > it, make sure you let us know, so that it can be added to the > > default layout. > > To be honest, I'm not a big fan of the different menu bar. I would like > it more if it were green instead of brown (though I'm a Ubuntu user, so > I'm sick of brown by now The I recomment you switch to kubuntu. I'm not yet sick of blue ;-) > but the gradients also make it look less > clean to me. I really like to solid green of the default style. Perhaps > something else could be done to make the current selection more evident > (perhaps a darker green background with white text?). How about a border around the current selection? Cheers, Reinhold - -- - -- Reinhold Kainhofer, reinh...@kainhofer.com, http://reinhold.kainhofer.com/ * Financial & Actuarial Math., Vienna Univ. of Technology, Austria * http://www.fam.tuwien.ac.at/, DVR: 0005886 * LilyPond, Music typesetting, http://www.lilypond.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFKgaDwTqjEwhXvPN0RAhS0AJ9KKiM6dvNGEnG5GDasv2t4U+pM9wCgw6PF v3Cq5c37tey7llceJVgg3jI= =wD5+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website draft 8: almost giving up
I should've read your email before I sent my previous message... Graham Percival wrote: > Most of the people who have been working on the website, including > me, are fed up with it. I'm ready to shovel this out the door > just to get rid of it... not particularly the best frame of mind > to be introducing a major change to our users' experience, but > hey, that's life in open-source projects! If you feel at all > enthusiastic about the new website, please consider helping. I'd like to help, though I realize it's quite late in the game for me to get up to speed on the environment you're using. One major area I see is the editing environments page (which, as far as I can see, doesn't currently exist). If it would be useful, I'd be willing to put together a page containing links to all of the various programs, categorized by type (text editor vs. point-and-click), OS, etc. > Make sure you check out the alternate CSS style #2. This has > fancy gradient-shaded menu bars, which could be a great hit. It's > /much/ easier to see which item you have selected. If you like > it, make sure you let us know, so that it can be added to the > default layout. To be honest, I'm not a big fan of the different menu bar. I would like it more if it were green instead of brown (though I'm a Ubuntu user, so I'm sick of brown by now), but the gradients also make it look less clean to me. I really like to solid green of the default style. Perhaps something else could be done to make the current selection more evident (perhaps a darker green background with white text?). Thanks for all your hard work on the new site. It really does look quite stunning, and is clear and easy to use as well. Chris Snyder Adoro Music Publishing 1-616-828-4436 x800 http://www.adoromusicpub.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
I've finally gotten around to looking at the new web site, and I have to say I'm very impressed. Great work! A couple of comments about the site: On Text-input.html, the pop music example is missing a hyphen and an extender line in the first measure (though perhaps this was intentional to simplify things?) On Productions.html, I think you mis-entered the name of the other publishing company listed - on that page it's "The Shady Lady Publishing" but it looks like it should be "The Shady Lane Publishing" (though I quite like the former!). Thanks for the link to my company's site, as well. I've also added a link to the LilyPond site to the next revision of our site (I've been meaning to do that for some time). Most of the LilyPond promoting I've been doing so far has been face-to-face - especially at conventions we've exhibited at, where there are a few inquiries every day as to what software we use. Related to LilyPond promotion - do any people have suggestions as to how to explain it to people unfamiliar with LilyPond or the open source philosophy in general? The concept is certainly much more mainstream than it used to be (using Linux or Firefox as examples seems to help) but it's still difficult to explain. Also, I'm never sure how to promote LilyPond to technical illiterates who are used to a point-and-click interface. I usually end up giving LilyPond a glowing review, but cautioning that it requires a very different mindset than Finale/Sibelius. Chris Snyder Adoro Music Publishing 1-616-828-4436 x800 http://www.adoromusicpub.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: polyphony in tablature
On 8/10/09 2:25 PM, "Patrick Schmidt" wrote: > Where did I go wrong? You forgot that tabStaff needs tabVoice, and both of your constructs used Voice contexts, instead of tabVoice contexts. The first, << ... \\ ... >>, implicitly creates Voice contexts. The second explicitly creates Voice contexts. I think you've found a good enhancement request -- make << \\ >> apply to tabVoice if it's in a tabStaff context. Sorry I don't have a better answer for you. HTH, Carl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
new website draft 8: almost giving up
Hi folks. http://lilypond.org/~graham/ Most of the people who have been working on the website, including me, are fed up with it. I'm ready to shovel this out the door just to get rid of it... not particularly the best frame of mind to be introducing a major change to our users' experience, but hey, that's life in open-source projects! If you feel at all enthusiastic about the new website, please consider helping. Note that translators will hopefully begin working on the site in two or three weeks, so the window of possible changes is diminishing. I mean, it would be pretty rude to change stuff right after they translated it. Downloads, Manuals, and part of Community are still waiting on underlying doc improvements before they can be finalized. But there's still a lot of work that *could* be done to improve the website. Make sure you check out the alternate CSS style #2. This has fancy gradient-shaded menu bars, which could be a great hit. It's /much/ easier to see which item you have selected. If you like it, make sure you let us know, so that it can be added to the default layout. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 02:37:06AM -0700, Matthieu Jacquot wrote: > If you need one more publisher to fill the empty space in the production > page, you could add my http://theshadylanepublishing.com website , it is > very very small so I don't know if it will be fine. Thanks, added! I used the first sentence of your description of your publisher: "a “micro musical publishing house” whose goal is to promote a new form of musical economy closer to the musicians and music lovers." I hope that's ok. I also included Mutopia, which fills out the list nicely. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: website: why do you use lilypond?
On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 02:14:51PM +0200, Valentin Villenave wrote: > 2009/8/1 Valentin Villenave : > > There's also > > http://www.lilypondforum.de/ (German) > > http://groups.google.com/group/lilypond-brasil (Portuguese) > > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user-fr (French) > > ... and http://www.lilypondforum.nl/ (Dutch) > which Wilbert has recently opened. Thanks, added. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: website: why do you use lilypond?
On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 07:12:21PM +0200, Francisco Vila wrote: > The Spanish forum is a Yahoo! group. > > Group page http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/lilypond-es/ Thanks, added. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 08:04:32AM -0700, Mark Polesky wrote: > > On the page http://lilypond.org/~graham/Contact.html, > definitely we should give the links for subscribing to the > mailing lists: They were there already, but not particularly obviously. Improved. > I'd also add the links to the user-options, just because its > is always so hard to find them if you don't already have the > link: Isn't it just the last item on the info page? I'm reluctant to add these, since our page is already cluttered enough. > Then there are the mail-archive.com archives: > > And also the gmane archives (does anyone use these?): > > I have no idea why we have three different sets of archives, > but I guess different users might prefer different layouts, > etc. I'm reluctant to have three sets of archives linked here, but I suppose there's no real harm. And if one site goes down, they have two others to look at. ? Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: French accents
to do café = c a f option-e e
être = option-i e t r e
d
hth
On 4 Aug 2009, at 04:25, Graham Norton wrote:
Dear All,
iMac TeXShop MACROS give another way of inserting non-standard
characters into LilyPond lyrics without using unicodes explicitly
(my version of TeXShop will not allow me to insert characters
directly from the Special Character table into a file).
Firstly,
In System Preferences > International, you can select the language/
s you wish to use. If you click on your standard flag in the top
menu bar, you will see a box of the languages you have selected with
a tick next to the current one.
Clicking e.g. French in this box changes your ENTIRE keyboard
layout: thus 2 is é, 9 is ç and so on. But this is treacherous: s2
would become sé, the letter q has now become an a and so on.
So this needs a lot of care (if you are not going to use \char ##x
whatever), as you will have e.g. a's where you wanted q's etc.
Basically, a very impractical method.
Better, in TeXShop > Macros, open the Macro editor and create macros
agrave, eacute, cedilla, ihat etc.
The new macros you create will appear under the Macros button in the
menu at the top of your current file. So you can just click on e.g.
ehat from your file Macro button and it will insert ê at the cursor.
LilyPond prints these as intended, even without changing the
encoding from Mac Roman to UTF-8.
(You can even name the macro as ê, but then you will get an
italicized ê when you put ê in the content box!)
[To use the Macro editor, select New Item, and enter ehat in the
Name box. In the Content box, insert ê (from the Special Character
table or by changing the language to French, holding down the option
key and typing e. Likewise for any other special characters.]
This approach can be used to insert any special characters by
clicking on the corresponding macro you have created and avoids
changing the keyboard or entering special characters directly (if
you can).
Graham
PS. The only French character that appeared from holding the option
key on the standard keyboard is ç from option c.
On 04/08/2009, at 6:59 AM, James E. Bailey wrote:
On 02.08.2009, at 15:06, Graham Norton wrote:
Dear All,
The Unicodes are available from TeXShop > Edit > Special
Characters (in MaC OS).
Just select a character and let the mouse hover over it. (A total
of 2820 glyphs can be obtained this way.)
Here is a table of special French characters obtained in this way:
character Unicode
é 00E9
è 00E8
ê 00EA
î 00EE
ç 00E7
à 00E0
ô 00F4
For instance,
\markup{ \concat{ B \char ##x00E9 caud } }
in lyrics gives Bécaud in LilyPond output (from TeXShop input),
as per the Notation Reference 3.3.3.
Incidentally, TeXShop produces this output even without changing
TeXShop > Preferences > Encoding to UTF-8.
Graham
PS I think it would be useful if the doc in Notation Reference
3.3.3 said something about how to obtain the unicodes (for users
who are not using a UTF-8 supported edito)r.
If you're on a macintosh, this is an extremely long way to do this.
The faster way is to hold down option, the modifier, and then the
character. For example, é is option-e-e and è is option-`-e. These
can all be seen in the keyboard viewer, which can be accessed from
System Preferences in the Input Menu of the International
preferences.
Also, if you're on a macintosh, your editor supports UTF-8.
James E. Bailey
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Re: wrong type argument
Dear Alexander,
I have to thank You for Your help.
After, after I've put
> \override Accidental #'avoid-slur = #'inside
>
in the parts parts, You've recomended, the strange error message has
disappeared, I don't know why.
The transposing error has nothing to do with microtonality. The score shows
only the keys the player has to press. If You interested (and if I'm ready,
sometimes) I can send You the csound score and orchestra of the piece. But
the piece is provided for a live performance.
Again,
thank You very much!
Stefan
2009/8/10 Alexander Kobel
> Stefan Thomas wrote:
>
>> Dear Alexander,
>> I still have this strange error-message.
>> The strange thing is:
>> At the moment, it works, but if I compile the whole piece, I get problems,
>> and nothing is compiled.
>> I send You the score (as a zip-file, because it consists of many parts),
>> maybee You ore someone else can find a reason.
>> Thanks
>> Stefan
>>
>
> Hi.
>
>
> You're right, that's quite a bit of stuff.
>
> I spent some time trying to find an error, but couldn't really understand
> what's going on.
>
>
> First of all, take care of your include paths when sending something to the
> list (i. e., keep the directory structure of your local system inside the
> archive as well), if you really can't manage to cut the stuff down to a
> single file.
>
>
> After fixing this, the version you sent compiled fine here (using 2.12.1),
> so I included the coupletA parts as well and got your error. I added the
> line
> \override Accidental #'avoid-slur = #'inside
> before any music in toeneCoupletArechts and obenrechtsCoupletAweiter, and
> the file compiled. Don't know if the output is what you expected, but well -
> who knows that... :-)
>
> Strange thing is, I grepped where you tweak something s. t. the default
> 'avoid-slur setting gets lost - but could not find anything.
> "So I'll remove the symptom, but not ... the cause", to cite Mr.
> Frank'n'Furter... ;-)
>
>
> I have no idea where this transposition warning is caused. I grepped your
> project for occurences of transpose and similar, but could not find anything
> which looks obviously wrong to me. On the other hand, I don't know anything
> about microtonal music at all. May be that's why I'm missing something here.
>
>
>warning: cannot find or create new `Dynamics'
>> warning: cannot find or create new `Pedal'
>> programming error: (de)crescendo on items with specified volume.
>>
>
> These warnings seem to be caused by the MIDI output. I suggest that you
> take out the \midi {} from your score and add another score just for MIDI,
> which does neither contain the \layout {} block nor layout commands. (See
> the "Piano template with centered dynamics" in the snippet list for an
> example.)
>
>
> Well, that's it; I'm afraid I probably cannot further investigate and help
> on this one.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Alexander
>
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