Re: In an LPAR once again?
Dave, As for running Banner and Oracle on Z/Linux you may want to talk to Marist. They are currently working on doing just that. We were hoping to get to work with them on that, because we too think it is a good idea but also here the Administration says we won't be running that on a mainframe. They have told us not to even pursue it. As far as I know Marist is the only one to even attempt it. Every time we asked Banner about it they said they don't support it and no one seems to want it. I am sure that when Marist gets it working, Banner will change their mind and support it. Jim Dodds Systems Programmer Kentucky State University 400 East Main Street Frankfort, Ky 40601 502 597 6114 -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 12:59 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:08 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? On 5/11/09 7:33 PM, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu wrote: I may have some interest in zLinux around here. The usual caveat of [snip] Good idea? Or am I making it more complicated than I need to? Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University Well, it would certainly be cool to have WSUVM1 alive again...8-) Well, I pretty sure that's what we'd call it :) Unfortunately, I don't think our heydays of the past hold much with the IBM of today. Of course, I'm not even remotely a holder of purse strings. And the only way I'll be able to sell zVM and zLinux is by showing without any real doubt that it is a cost effective platform to implement potential planned ERP solution(s). And the funding for ERP is likely 2 years out. Our state funding was cut 21% for 2009-2011. After taking about a 10% cut this year. As for academic ventures, WSU's Computer Science department became a program under the College of Engineering quite sometime ago. I'm also suffering under the myth that no one is teaching mainframe anymore. (As an aside, I sorta resent perception. In my day :) you didn't get taught or trained much, we just dam well did the work :) In the few moments I can spare from keeping our z/OS system going and maintained (I'm still running 1.7 in the important LPARs), I need to show that Oracle (database and applications(ERP will likely be Banner or Peoplesoft) runs well on zLinux and that zLinux under zVM is cost effective in a major way over HP or Sun or other Intell farms. By the way, I never intended to imply that we would never buy zVM or additional zHardware and that I wanted to do this on the sly in the long run. I just have some (longish) short term delay. We had to cut out the Watson newsletter and are seriously looking at any way to save some pennies :( We're also very short handed do to the budget and other problems. P.S. It's been awhile Dave, I've often wondered if you were the same Dave Boyes that spent some time here. The 3090's been gone a long time now. Given WSU's historical relationship with IBM, I would suspect that if you asked IBM for a loaner copy of z/VM, one would appear for a long period of time. I think that while you *could* do VM-LPAR, it would probably be less hassle and more productive to try to negotiate a long-term loan. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
PuTTY replacement KiTTY
This weekend I noticed that PuTTY had not been updated recently so I went looking and found a PuTTY fork called KiTTY that was just recently updated. It has all the PuTTY features (since it is a fork from it) and more: Features of KiTTy Sessions filter - Ability to manage Multiple Sessions Folders to categorize Sessions Portability - You can save the configurations in an INI file(Create kitty.ini in the same folder) Ability to create shortcuts for pre-defined command The session launcher Automatic logon script, password and command Running on remote session a locally saved script There are also other features like Session icon, duplicate sessions, Transparency and automatic saving of data, Binary compression, Clipboard printing, Background image and PuTTYCyg patch. You can find it here: http://www.9bis.net/kitty/ And there is a registry patch that will allow you to launch KiTTY from a webpage http://www.9bis.net/kitty/?page=SSH%20Handler Lionel B. Dyck, Consultant/Specialist Enterprise Platform Services, Mainframe Engineering KP-IT Enterprise Engineering 925-926-5332 (8-473-5332) | E-Mail: lionel.b.d...@kp.org AIM: lbdyck | Yahoo IM: lbdyck Kaiser Service Credo: Our cause is health. Our passion is service. We?re here to make lives better.? ?Never attribute to malice what can be caused by miscommunication.? NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: PuTTY replacement KiTTY
On Mon, 2009-05-18 at 10:37 -0400, Lionel B Dyck wrote: PuTTY fork called KiTTY that was just recently updated. It has all the PuTTY features (since it is a fork from it) and more: ... plus a nasty limitation. From their website: KiTTY is only designed for Microsoft Windows -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: PuTTY replacement KiTTY
David Andrews writes: On Mon, 2009-05-18 at 10:37 -0400, Lionel B Dyck wrote: PuTTY fork called KiTTY that was just recently updated. It has all the PuTTY features (since it is a fork from it) and more: ... plus a nasty limitation. From their website: KiTTY is only designed for Microsoft Windows I've only used PuTTY on MS Windows. There's no need for it on my Mac, Solaris and Linux boxes. I.e., I don't think of that as being a limitation. -- --henry schaffer -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: PuTTY replacement KiTTY
Henry E Schaffer wrote: David Andrews writes: Lionel B Dyck wrote: PuTTY fork called KiTTY that was just recently updated. It has all the PuTTY features (since it is a fork from it) and more: ... plus a nasty limitation. From their website: KiTTY is only designed for Microsoft Windows I've only used PuTTY on MS Windows. There's no need for it on my Mac, Solaris and Linux boxes. I.e., I don't think of that as being a limitation. When I first used the IBM Linux Client for e-Business, one of my co-workers brought over PuTTY and genned it for Linux... and had some folks remark that why bother when you have SSH and telnet? There's a good reason to bother. Some terminal emulations don't work very well using SSH, for instance. And, more importantly, it is nice to be able to tune the behaviour of the backspace key... since some systems want to see 0x08 rather than the 0x7f or vice versa. (It have seen different Linux distros set the backspace key differently, BTW.) So there are reasons to want a competent terminal emulator on Linux... and, even more so, on Mac OS X. Now if only I could find a nice Linux/Unix gig down here by Tampa Bay. -- John R. Campbell Speaker to Machines souperb at gmail dot com MacOS X proved it was easier to make Unix user-friendly than to fix Windows -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: PuTTY replacement KiTTY
On Mon, 2009-05-18 at 11:24 -0400, Henry E Schaffer wrote: I've only used PuTTY on MS Windows. There's no need for it on my Mac, Solaris and Linux boxes. I.e., I don't think of that as being a limitation. I appreciate that, but I get a lot of use out of PuTTY on my S80 handheld. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: PuTTY replacement KiTTY
On 5/18/2009 at 11:19 AM, David Andrews d...@lists.duda.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-05-18 at 10:37 -0400, Lionel B Dyck wrote: PuTTY fork called KiTTY that was just recently updated. It has all the PuTTY features (since it is a fork from it) and more: ... plus a nasty limitation. From their website: KiTTY is only designed for Microsoft Windows Which is also true of PuTTY, at least in terms of binaries available for download. Just about any other operating system already has an SSH client, so why use PuTTY or KiTTY? Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: PuTTY replacement KiTTY
I can't get my backspace key to work on my z/OS system. I know its another list but do you know what I can map that to? From: John Campbell soup...@gmail.com To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:38:06 AM Subject: Re: PuTTY replacement KiTTY Henry E Schaffer wrote: David Andrews writes: Lionel B Dyck wrote: PuTTY fork called KiTTY that was just recently updated. It has all the PuTTY features (since it is a fork from it) and more: ... plus a nasty limitation. From their website: KiTTY is only designed for Microsoft Windows I've only used PuTTY on MS Windows. There's no need for it on my Mac, Solaris and Linux boxes. I.e., I don't think of that as being a limitation. When I first used the IBM Linux Client for e-Business, one of my co-workers brought over PuTTY and genned it for Linux... and had some folks remark that why bother when you have SSH and telnet? There's a good reason to bother. Some terminal emulations don't work very well using SSH, for instance. And, more importantly, it is nice to be able to tune the behaviour of the backspace key... since some systems want to see 0x08 rather than the 0x7f or vice versa. (It have seen different Linux distros set the backspace key differently, BTW.) So there are reasons to want a competent terminal emulator on Linux... and, even more so, on Mac OS X. Now if only I could find a nice Linux/Unix gig down here by Tampa Bay. -- John R. Campbell Speaker to Machines souperb at gmail dot com MacOS X proved it was easier to make Unix user-friendly than to fix Windows -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: PuTTY replacement KiTTY
Hello! I agree. I normally use PuTTY for communicating with my Linux systems, and sometimes an individual running Solaris. It also runs very well from a thumb drive connected to a client's machine and that connection looping back here. Of course there are issues with systems who wear a regular SSH client as part of their normally installed collection. -- Gregg C Levine hansolofal...@worldnet.att.net The Force will be with you always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Henry E Schaffer Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 11:24 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] PuTTY replacement KiTTY David Andrews writes: On Mon, 2009-05-18 at 10:37 -0400, Lionel B Dyck wrote: PuTTY fork called KiTTY that was just recently updated. It has all the PuTTY features (since it is a fork from it) and more: ... plus a nasty limitation. From their website: KiTTY is only designed for Microsoft Windows I've only used PuTTY on MS Windows. There's no need for it on my Mac, Solaris and Linux boxes. I.e., I don't think of that as being a limitation. -- --henry schaffer -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: PuTTY replacement KiTTY
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Campbell wrote: When I first used the IBM Linux Client for e-Business, one of my co-workers brought over PuTTY and genned it for Linux... and had some folks remark that why bother when you have SSH and telnet? There's a good reason to bother. Some terminal emulations don't work very well using SSH, for instance. That's an interaction between your originating terminal program, and your remote TERM session. For instance, on my mac laptop, I use iTerm for most work with a remote TERM setting of xterm-color. However, I occasionally fall back to the Mac OS supplied Terminal.app with a remote TERM of vt100 or ansi to get some curses applications to work right. And, more importantly, it is nice to be able to tune the behaviour of the backspace key... since some systems want to see 0x08 rather than the 0x7f or vice versa. (It have seen different Linux distros set the backspace key differently, BTW.) If the box you're ssh'ing to is a *nix box (and what else would it be to run an ssh server???) then you can simply use stty erase ... on the remote box to set the appropriate backspace v. delete behavior. - -- Pat -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkoRjakACgkQNObCqA8uBsyyewCgo8M/hO52MwhlzNu0SZ46OPUE RXAAn14L5ml4/287tmKwDLj1QoywT2nO =CQbP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: PuTTY replacement KiTTY
Warren -- You might try 'stty -erase ^h' or 'stty -erase ^?' when in the z/OS shell. On 2009-05-18, Warren Taylor warrentay...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I can't get my backspace key to work on my z/OS system. I know its another list but do you know what I can map that to? From: John Campbell soup...@gmail.com To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:38:06 AM Subject: Re: PuTTY replacement KiTTY Henry E Schaffer wrote: David Andrews writes: Lionel B Dyck wrote: PuTTY fork called KiTTY that was just recently updated. It has all the PuTTY features (since it is a fork from it) and more: ... plus a nasty limitation. From their website: KiTTY is only designed for Microsoft Windows I've only used PuTTY on MS Windows. There's no need for it on my Mac, Solaris and Linux boxes. I.e., I don't think of that as being a limitation. When I first used the IBM Linux Client for e-Business, one of my co-workers brought over PuTTY and genned it for Linux... and had some folks remark that why bother when you have SSH and telnet? There's a good reason to bother. Some terminal emulations don't work very well using SSH, for instance. And, more importantly, it is nice to be able to tune the behaviour of the backspace key... since some systems want to see 0x08 rather than the 0x7f or vice versa. (It have seen different Linux distros set the backspace key differently, BTW.) So there are reasons to want a competent terminal emulator on Linux... and, even more so, on Mac OS X. Now if only I could find a nice Linux/Unix gig down here by Tampa Bay. -- John R. Campbell Speaker to Machines souperb at gmail dot com MacOS X proved it was easier to make Unix user-friendly than to fix Windows -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com -- R; Q: Isn't filtering stupidity elitist? A: Yes. Yes, it is. That's sort of the whole point. -- Ortiz and Starr -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: In an LPAR once again?
On Sat, 16 May 2009 21:59:10 -0700 Gibney, Dave said: ... In the few moments I can spare from keeping our z/OS system going and maintained (I'm still running 1.7 in the important LPARs), I need to show that Oracle (database and applications(ERP will likely be Banner or Peoplesoft) runs well on zLinux and that zLinux under zVM is cost effective in a major way over HP or Sun or other Intell farms. We are currently running Banner ERP with the app server on System p, and the Oracle DB on System z Linux. We are in the process of porting the app server to z also. If you don't have an Oracle site license, the savings could end up paying for your z/VM license and more. My boss also talks about the savings he was able to make in a reduced number of p boxes that would pay for the z/VM license. Feel free to drop me a line /ahw -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: PuTTY replacement KiTTY
I downloaded KiTTY and it appears to work fine. It also worked with PAGEANT right from the start. The web page said to call it Putty for it to work. Maybe it is working because I also have Putty running. Calvin Fisher -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Question on acl files and permission values.
I have a user who deploys an application using a common user ID and script. For security reasons, we are trying to get them off this common ID. However their deployment scripts fail to remove files other than the ones they themselves (user) deploy. Thus the team resorts to a common ID. My solution was to use ACL to grant RWX to all members of the group on the file system. This works after I set the command: setfacl -R -m g:guid:rwx /file/system and setfacl -R -m -d g:guid:rwx /file/system for the default value. When I display (getfacl) these values, they are verified as still correct. However after they expand their zip file again during the deployment, the files are no longer removable (permission denied) by any other member of the group except for the user completing the deployment. And the ACL values are still the same for the file system. The files are created by the developers on a Windows platform to be deployed on linux. Before: group:groupname:rwx After redeployment: group:groupname:rwx #effective:r-x ==(I need the write) How can I resolve this without having to rerun the setfacl command again? James Chaplin Systems Programmer, MVS, zVM zLinux Base Technologies, Inc Supporting the zSeries Platform Team -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Question on acl files and permission values.
Does zip even know about acls on files? They are rather new and not always supported. Also, how do you set an acl on Windows? I'm fairly ignorant of that! I set acls on Linux, then use GNU tar with the correct switches to transport of z/OS UNIX. -- Trying to write with a pencil that is dull is pointless. Maranatha! John McKown -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Question on acl files and permission values.
No clue on acls and windoze. Sorry. But in Linux acls are set at the filesystem level. Usually via an entry in the /etc/fstab or with the tune2fs command. So when a tar file is extracted the acls will not travel unless it is placed in a filesystem that has acls. Even if it is placed in a filesystem with acls I'm not sure how well that would work. Never actually did that. Test it and let us know. -pete ### any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced ### Arthur C. Clarke -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 6:22 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Question on acl files and permission values. Does zip even know about acls on files? They are rather new and not always supported. Also, how do you set an acl on Windows? I'm fairly ignorant of that! I set acls on Linux, then use GNU tar with the correct switches to transport of z/OS UNIX. -- Trying to write with a pencil that is dull is pointless. Maranatha! John McKown -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 This e-mail is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not disclose or use the information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please tell us immediately by return e-mail to email.cont...@sentry.com and delete the document. E-mails containing unprofessional, discourteous or offensive remarks violate Sentry policy. You may report employee violations by forwarding the message to email.cont...@sentry.com. No recipient may use the information in this e-mail in violation of any civil or criminal statute. Sentry disclaims all liability for any unauthorized uses of this e-mail or its contents. This e-mail constitutes neither an offer nor an acceptance of any offer. No contract may be entered into by a Sentry employee without express approval from an authorized Sentry manager. Warning: Computer viruses can be transmitted via e-mail. Sentry accepts no liability or responsibility for any damage caused by any virus transmitted with this e-mail. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Question on acl files and permission values.
How are the files zipped? How are they expanded? Perhaps the zip program being used does not preserve permission bits .. or the zip/unzip needs the proper incantation to do it. Using 'tar' or other compression tools that are *nix based might help if the zip program being used isn't working.. Scott On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 1:37 PM, CHAPLIN, JAMES (CTR) james.chap...@associates.dhs.gov wrote: I have a user who deploys an application using a common user ID and script. For security reasons, we are trying to get them off this common ID. However their deployment scripts fail to remove files other than the ones they themselves (user) deploy. Thus the team resorts to a common ID. My solution was to use ACL to grant RWX to all members of the group on the file system. This works after I set the command: setfacl -R -m g:guid:rwx /file/system and setfacl -R -m -d g:guid:rwx /file/system for the default value. When I display (getfacl) these values, they are verified as still correct. However after they expand their zip file again during the deployment, the files are no longer removable (permission denied) by any other member of the group except for the user completing the deployment. And the ACL values are still the same for the file system. The files are created by the developers on a Windows platform to be deployed on linux. Before: group:groupname:rwx After redeployment: group:groupname:rwx #effective:r-x ==(I need the write) How can I resolve this without having to rerun the setfacl command again? James Chaplin Systems Programmer, MVS, zVM zLinux Base Technologies, Inc Supporting the zSeries Platform Team -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
