Re: Using Tivoli Storage Manager w/SAN

2007-06-01 Thread Gene Walters
I understand it from the TSM side, it's the Linux side that I'm not sure about. 
 What does it take(ie hardware, software) to get to a SAN, so that we can use 
the disk for a storage pool?

We are running a Z/890 with an IFL, and SuSE Linux running under VM 5.1.

Gene Walters
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5/31/2007 3:40 PM 
 Where is it documented?

The description is in the TSM Administrators Guide in the Using
Magnetic Disk Devices with TSM chapter (my manuals are old, but this
hasn't changed since the ADSM days).

The important stuff is in the description of DEVTYPE=FILE and
DEVTYPE=DISK options for device classes and storage pools. With
DEVTYPE=FILE, you essentially define the SAN storage as a bunch of files
emulating tapes, and have TSM spool directly to them. TSM doesn't care
about what kind of disk storage the files live on as long as the
operating system can access it. DEVTYPE=FILE volumes can also be used
for database dumps and export/import processing, so if you're
tape-constrained on the Linux guest or you want to use normal 390 tape
drives, this is a partial way to cheat on the TSM stupidity of not
supporting channel-attached tape. 

With DEVTYPE=DISK, you use DEFINE VOLUME, and add the volumes to a
storage group as normal. DEVTYPE=DISK volumes are better suited for
random-access work, but can't be used for database dumps, etc. 

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Using Tivoli Storage Manager w/SAN

2007-05-31 Thread Gene Walters
Hello,

Has anyone here setup TSM on Linux using a SAN as their main storage
pool?  Is it possible?



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Re: Using Tivoli Storage Manager w/SAN

2007-05-31 Thread Gene Walters
Where is it documented?

Gene Walters
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5/31/2007 9:42 AM 
 Has anyone here setup TSM on Linux using a SAN as their main storage
 pool?  Is it possible?

Yes, it works as documented although you should use the DASDtape (disk
emulates tape) approach, and ensure you have defined a high number of
devices for that pool.

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Re: Guest Lan/VSwitch/VLAN

2007-05-15 Thread Gene Walters
I appreciate everyone's input.  We are going to try to implement the
VSWITCH.

Thanks
Gene

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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5/14/2007 1:42:51 PM 
  If it were me, I'd probably go with the VSWITCH. Heartbeat packets
  really don't exploit the best parts of real hipersockets (high
volume
  bulk data transfer) much, and the ability to separate stuff easily
later
  is a big architectural win in my book.
 
 Makes sense, particularly in our case where we have redundant OSA
cards.

Although since real hipersockets run over the system memory backplane,
you also have multiple buses to work with there, so you get built-in
redundancy. If that memory bus isn't working, then you're not doing
much
with the machine anyway, and it's always built in, so you don't have
to
worry about it at DR sites.

I'd still do the VSWITCH, though. IMHO, it's a more flexible option.

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Guest Lan/VSwitch/VLAN

2007-05-08 Thread Gene Walters
Hi All,

I know this is a broad question, but I am trying to understand some
things.

We currently are using CTC connections for our network access to our
Linux Instances running under VM.  We were told that CTC's were doing it
the hard way.  So I am trying to figure out what the other way is.

We have Z/VM 5.1 running on an IFL and an OSA-Express card.  What
should we be using instead of CTC's for network connection, VGuest,
VSwitch VLAN?  I'm confused as to what each actually does.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Gene

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Apache2 Problem

2006-02-03 Thread Gene Walters
I am getting the following errors when I start Apache2.  They repeat over and 
over and over.  Any ideas?

[Fri Feb 03 08:09:01 2006] [error] (13)Permission denied: 
apr_global_mutex_lock(jk_log_lock) failed
[Fri Feb 03 08:09:01 2006] [notice] Apache/2.0.49 (Linux/SuSE) configured -- 
resuming normal operations
[Fri Feb 03 08:09:01 2006] [notice] child pid 20388 exit signal Segmentation 
fault (11)
[Fri Feb 03 08:09:01 2006] [notice] child pid 20389 exit signal Segmentation 
fault (11)
[Fri Feb 03 08:09:02 2006] [error] (13)Permission denied: 
apr_global_mutex_lock(jk_log_lock) failed
[Fri Feb 03 08:09:03 2006] [notice] child pid 20393 exit signal Segmentation 
fault (11)
[Fri Feb 03 08:09:05 2006] [error] (13)Permission denied: 
apr_global_mutex_lock(jk_log_lock) failed
[Fri Feb 03 08:09:05 2006] [notice] child pid 20398 exit signal Segmentation 
fault (11)

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Re: Linux Monitoring

2006-01-20 Thread Gene Walters
We had the same problem a couple of years ago, and adjusting those buffers 
fixed ours.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/20/2006 10:06:44 AM 
Sounds like our similar problem that was caused by developing scheduler
Eligible lists, because we had not increased the CP  default SRM STORBUF
values of
STORBUF: Q1=125% Q2=105% Q3=095%
  
When problem recurs again do CP INDICATE to see if VM has userids in the
Eligible lists:
CP INDICATE
AVGPROC-014% 02
XSTORE-03/SEC MIGRATE-/SEC 
MDC READS-01/SEC WRITES-00/SEC HIT RATIO-100%  
STORAGE-052% PAGING-0001/SEC STEAL-000%
Q0-2(0)   DORMANT-00034
Q1-00011(0)   E1-0(0)  
Q2-7(0) EXPAN-002 E2-0(0)  
Q3-4(0) EXPAN-002 E3-0(0)  
 
You have an Eligible list if the E1-,E2-,E3- counts are not 0; the
above sample shows 0 users in the Eligible lists.

If you have an eligible list do CP Q SRM, look at the response's STORBUF
line, and set the SRM STORBUF values higher with something like
CP SET SRM STORBUF 300% 250% 200%

If it works then put the CP SET SRM command in your AUTOLOG1 userid's
PROFILE EXEC to run when VM IPL's.




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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Kreiter, Chuck
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:09 AM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 
Subject: Linux Monitoring

We are running four SUSE 9 Linux guests under z/VM 5.1.  z/VM and Linux
have all current maintenance and fixes applied.  All 4 guests were
cloned from the same base install.  

The problem we have is that occasionally, Linux will stop functioning.  

Our connection is via VNC.  I haven't been able to establish a pattern
as to what is causing this.  The symptoms are as follows:

Linux could be up for hours or days running fine.  
Working on anything from YaST to web browsing to accessing a SMB share,
upon clicking something, the VNC session will hang and then disconnect.

We've tried logging on to the guest under VM, but even VM doesn't allow
us to do anything.  We end up forcing the guest off using MAINT.  Then,
we can reboot the image fine and it could run fine for hours or weeks.  

I've checked our HMC for CPU activity on the IFL, but it is 5% utilized
so I don't think something is looping.  

If anyone has experienced this, I'd be curious to hear how your resolved
it.  Or, if anyone knows of a way to log what is happening, that might
help as well.  As we are still evaluating this as a viable platform, we
haven't purchased SUSE support yet.  

Chuck Kreiter
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Re: SQR for SUSE

2005-11-04 Thread Gene Walters
on Zlinux

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/4/2005 9:26 AM 
Hi,


On Zlinux or Linux ?
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Subject: SQR for SUSE


Hi,

Does anyone know if SQR will run on SUSE Linux?

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Moving root to a new volume

2004-12-28 Thread Gene Walters
Hi all,

When I initially installed my Linux Instances, I used MOD-3's.  I would now 
like to move them to MOD-9's because my boss wants to reconfigure all the DASD 
to MOD-9's.  How can I accomplish moving root to a new volume and get it to IPL 
off that new volume?

Thanks
Gene

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Linux Administration tools

2004-04-06 Thread Gene Walters
Hi all,

I am trying to get a feel for how people are managing their Linux Instances on the 
S/390.

Are you using any tools like Levanta?

If not, what are you using?

Thanks
Gene

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Re: Linux Administration tools

2004-04-06 Thread Gene Walters
Well,

Actually, both monitoring and maintenance of the instances.  I am trying to figure out 
where is the best place to spend the money.  Is it better to monitor in VM, or linux 
or both.

We basically arent monitoring anthing, and I need to figure out where to start.

Thanks
Gene 

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/06/04 01:27PM 
In what sense do you mean manage?  Do you mean monitoring resources?  and in
what aspect,  from VM or from Linux?   

We have not found a much in the way of VM tools.  We use Big Brother
(www.bb4.com) to monitor processes and performance on each instance.

Cheers;

E!

-
Eric Wilson
IBM Certified Advanced Technical Expert 
RedHat Certified Engineer



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Subject: Linux Administration tools


Hi all,

I am trying to get a feel for how people are managing their Linux Instances on
the S/390.

Are you using any tools like Levanta?

If not, what are you using?

Thanks
Gene

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Re: SuSE SP3 Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 5e: 01 ( was Re: Myth of the 1K blocksize

2004-04-02 Thread Gene Walters
Hi Daniel,

As you can probably tell, I'm real fluent with a lot of the Linux commands, so I 
really appreciate your help.

I tried that command, and here is what I got:

rpm:  only one major mode may be specified

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/04 09:14AM 
 It's funny, this is the one I use to clone, and I just went
 to another instance, found it and copied it back.

 Once tar was there, it worked great.

 I really appreciate your help

Glad you are back in business now, though the missing binary IS
disconcerting.  You should probably take inventory and figure
out what else is missing, and why...

There's probably a shorter way to do this, but:

for i in `rpm -qa`; do rpm -V $i; done |grep missing

should work for any rpm packages in your database, though it
will take a long time to finish.  If some of the files listed
as missing seem important, you should consider finding them
again :).

Good luck,
~ Daniel















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Re: SuSE SP3 Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 5e: 01 ( was Re: Myth of the 1K blocksize

2004-04-01 Thread Gene Walters
You hit it right on the head.  Somehow tar was gone from this instance of Linux.  It's 
funny, this is the one I use to clone, and I just went to another instance, found it 
and copied it back.

Once tar was there, it worked great.

I really appreciate your help

Thanks
Gene

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/31/04 04:10PM 
 It looks like that messages is generated around line 837 in the
mkinird,
 before your change.

Ugh, my find had wrapped back to the beginning without me realizing.

Okay, on line 844

tar -C $root_dir -cf - $x 2/dev/null | tar -C $tmp_mnt -xpf -
2/dev/null

you're getting a rc 127.  It's as if there is no tar command in your
path.  If you have one (preferably in /bin/tar), then try taking out the
2/dev/null's on that line and run it again and see what tar complains
about.  Pretty sure tar exits with 0, 1, or 2 though, so it really seems
like the shell can't find tar.

 + x=lib/modules/2.4.21-83-default/kernel/drivers/s390/block/dasd_mod.o
 + '['
lib/modules/2.4.21-83-default/kernel/drivers/s390/block/dasd_mod.o
 ']'
 + tar -C / -cf - lib/modules/2.4.21-83-
 default/kernel/drivers/s390/block/dasd_mo
 d.o
 + tar -C /var/tmp/mnt3883 -xpf -
 + '[' 127 '!=' 0 ']'
 + echo 'dasd_mod: failed to add module /lib/modules/2.4.21-83-











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Xwindows for Windows

2004-04-01 Thread Gene Walters
I discovered something last week, and I don't know if most of you know about it or not 
so I thought I would share.

I found a program called cygwin.  The feature I like is that it lets you do Xwindows 
stuff from Linux back to your windows desktop(Ie yast2 etc.)  Up til now I had been 
looking at Hummingbird exceed and a couple others, but they all wanted a couple 
hundred dollars for theirs.  cygwin is free

You can download it at www.cygwin.com

If you already knew it, ignore this message.

Thanks
Gene

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Re: Myth of the 1K blocksize on eckd - revisited

2004-03-31 Thread Gene Walters
Hi Everyone,

I just put on SuSE SP3.  When I IPL'd, it gives me these messages:

Loading module dasd_mod dasd=$dasd ...  
insmod: dasd_mod: no module by that name found  
Loading module dasd_eckd_mod ...
insmod: dasd_eckd_mod: no module by that name found 
kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k block-major-94, errno = 2 
VFS: Cannot open root device dasda1 or 5e:01  
Please append a correct root= boot option 
Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 5e:01 
HCPGIR450W CP entered; disabled wait PSW 000A 8022CD08  

All the modules appear to be in the right place, and the modules.dep has all the right 
directories in it.  Did anyone else experience this when they put on Service Pack 3?

Thanks
Gene

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SuSE SP3 Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 5e:01 ( was Re: Myth of the 1K blocksize on e

2004-03-31 Thread Gene Walters
Yes, I checked the zipl.conf and then ran zipl.

Yes the Kernel reports the new version which is: Linux version 2.4.21-83-default

I'm stumped.

Thanks
Gene

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/31/04 08:17AM 
 I just put on SuSE SP3.  When I IPL'd, it gives me these messages:

 Loading module dasd_mod dasd=$dasd ...

 insmod: dasd_mod: no module by that name found

 Loading module dasd_eckd_mod ...

 insmod: dasd_eckd_mod: no module by that name found

 kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k block-major-94, errno = 2

 VFS: Cannot open root device dasda1 or 5e:01

 Please append a correct root= boot option

 Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 5e:01

 HCPGIR450W CP entered; disabled wait PSW 000A 8022CD08

 All the modules appear to be in the right place, and the modules.dep
 has all the right directories in it.  Did anyone else experience this
 when they put on Service Pack 3?

Did you check that your /etc/zipl.conf is correct and re-run zipl?
When linux first starts, does it report the kernel version that you'd
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Re: SuSE SP3 Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 5e: 01 ( was Re: Myth of the 1K blocksize

2004-03-31 Thread Gene Walters
My zipl.conf does have that statement, but I didn't run the mkinitrd.  

I just tried, but I get this error:

using /dev/dasda1 as root device (mounted on / as ext2)   

Found ECKD dasd, adding dasd eckd discipline!   

Note: If you want to add ECKD dasd support for later mkinitrd   
calls where possibly no ECKD dasd is found, add dasd_eckd_mod   
to INITRD_MODULES in /etc/sysconfig/kernel  

creating initrd /boot/initrd for kernel /boot/kernel/image  
(version 2.4.21-83-default) (s390)  

dasd_mod: failed to add module /lib/modules/2.4.21-83-default/kernel/drivers/s3
90/block/dasd_mod.o
initrd too small

Run zipl now to update the IPL record!

how do I make it bigger?

Thanks
gene  

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/31/04 08:55AM 
 Yes, I checked the zipl.conf and then ran zipl.

Does your zipl.conf have a line like ramdisk=/boot/initrd ?

If not, you should probably add it (run mkinitrd if you haven't), and
then run zipl again.

  Loading module dasd_mod dasd=$dasd ...
  insmod: dasd_mod: no module by that name found
  Loading module dasd_eckd_mod ...
  insmod: dasd_eckd_mod: no module by that name found

When built as modules, the DASD drivers need to be in the initrd or else
the kernel has no way of reading them (since the object files reside on
DASD).

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Re: SuSE SP3 Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 5e: 01 ( was Re: Myth of the 1K blocksize

2004-03-31 Thread Gene Walters
I did as you suggested, but I don't get any additional messages, it's the exact same 
thing.



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/31/04 12:04PM 
 creating initrd /boot/initrd for kernel /boot/kernel/image
 (version 2.4.21-83-default) (s390)

 dasd_mod: failed to add module /lib/modules/2.4.21-83-
 default/kernel/drivers/s3
 90/block/dasd_mod.o
 initrd too small

 Run zipl now to update the IPL record!

 how do I make it bigger?

How much freespace do you have for files placed in /var/tmp/?  Is it
possible you are about full?

Looking at /sbin/mkinitrd, it looks like SuSE first makes one initrd
(20480k), populates it, then figures out how much it REALLY needs.  It
creates a second initrd of the really needed size, then copies
everything over.  Your error is during that last copy part, indicating
that the second initrd really isn't big enough.  Either mkinitrd's
img_size calculation on line 1058 is wrong, or you run out of room while
creating the new one.

At line at 1061 which is:

dd if=/dev/zero of=$tmp_initrd_small bs=1k count=$img_size 2/dev/null

Can you remove the 2/dev/null portion of that, run mkinitrd again and
see if you get any No space left on device errors?

~ Daniel













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Re: SuSE SP3 Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 5e: 01 ( was Re: Myth of the 1K blocksize

2004-03-31 Thread Gene Walters
Well, i tried upping the initial size, I quadrupled it, to no avail.  It looks like 
that messages is generated around line 837 in the mkinird, before your change. 

Here is the results of the bash on mkinitrd:
bash -x mkinitrd   
+ kernels_default=vmlinuz vmlinuz.shipped  
+ initrds_default=initrd initrd.shipped
+ kernels= 
+ initrds= 
+ modules= 
+ boot_dir=
+ splash=auto  
+ oem= 
++ uname -m
+ arch=s390
+ arch=s390
+ arch=s390
+ kernels_default=kernel/image 
+ initrds_default=initrd   
+ splash=off   
+ getopts :hk:i:m:b:d:o:s:t:D: a   
++ expr 1 - 1  
+ shift 0  
+ '[' -n '' ']'
+ '[' '' ']'   
+ root_dir=/
+ '[' xoff = xoff ']'   
+ splash=   
+ '[' x = xauto ']' 
+ '[' -n '' ']' 
+ '[' -z '' ']' 
+ '[' -n '' ']' 
+ '[' s390 = ppc -a kernel/image = vmlinux ']'  
+ '[' -z '' ']' 
+ kernels=kernel/image  
+ '[' -z '' ']' 
+ initrds=initrd
++ echo kernel/image
++ wc -w
+ kc=  1
++ echo initrd  
++ wc -w
+ ic=  1
+ '[' 1 '!=' 1 ']'  
+ '[' -z '' ']' 
+ boot_dir=/boot
+ '[' -z '' ']' 
+ tmp_dir=/var/tmp  
+ static_shell=/bin/ash.static  
+ static_insmod=/sbin/insmod.static 
+ bootsplash_picture_dir=//usr/share/splash/themes/current  
+ image_blocks=80980
+ image_inodes=8096 
+ PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin:/root/bin:/usr/local/bin:
/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/opt/gnome2/bin:/opt/gnome/bin:/opt/kde3
/bin:/opt/gnome/bin:/opt/oracle/product/9ir2/bin
+ tmp_mnt=/var/tmp/mnt3883  
+ tmp_mnt_small=/var/tmp/mnt3883_small  
+ tmp_msg=/var/tmp/msg3883  
+ tmp_modconf=/var/tmp/modconf3883  
+ lx_rc=/var/tmp/mnt3883/linuxrc
+ is_mounted=   
+ is_mounted_small= 
+ tmp_initrd=///var/tmp/initrd3883  
+ tmp_initrd_small=///var/tmp/initrd3883_small  
+ mounted_proc= 
+ '[' '!' -r /proc/mounts ']'   
+ '[' -z '' ']' 
++ sed -e '/^[  ]*#/d'  
+ read fstab_device fstab_mountpoint fstab_type fstab_options dummy  
+ test / = / 
+ rootdev=/dev/dasda1
+ rootfstype=ext2
+ break  
+ test -z '' 
+ test -z /dev/dasda1
+ realrootdev=/dev/dasda1
+ root_lvm=0 
+ '[' -n /dev/dasda1 -a -b /dev/dasda1 ']'   
++ ls -l /dev/dasda1 
++ sed -e 's/.* \([0-9]\+\), *[0-9]\+.*/\1/' 
+ major=94   
+ '[' 94 -ne 58 ']'  
+ '[' / '!=' / ']'  

Re: TSM Scripts

2004-01-30 Thread Gene Walters
thanks for the scripts

Gene

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/30/04 02:54AM 
This script works fine (with SUSE).


#! /bin/sh

BIN=/opt/tivoli/tsm/client/ba/bin/dsmc
test -x $BIN || exit 5
. /etc/rc.status
rc_reset

case $1 in
start)
echo -n Starting TSM
$BIN schedule /var/log/adsm.log 21 
rc_status -v
;;
stop)
echo -n Stopping TSM
killproc -TERM $BIN
rc_status -v
;;
restart)
$0 stop
$0 start
rc_status
;;
reload)
$0 stop
$0 start
rc_status
;;
status)
echo -n Checking for dsmc: 
checkproc $BIN
rc_status -v
;;
*)
echo Usage: $0 {start|stop|status|restart|reload}
exit 1
;;
esac
rc_exit

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TSM Scripts

2004-01-29 Thread Gene Walters
Hi all,

Does anyone have a Tivoli Storage Manager Start and stop scripts for SUSE 8 that they 
would be willing to share.  I haven't had a lot of time to figure out the new way of 
starting and stoping things.  

Any help would be appreciated.

Gene


SLES 8 and IBM Shark

2003-12-18 Thread Gene Walters
We are getting ready to move our VM/SUSE installations from an EMC DASD box to an IBM 
Shark DASD box.  I have two questions.

1.  Does anyone know of any issues with Linux/VM when the DASD UCB's are genned above 
the 32MB line.

2.  Are there any issues using 3390-9's with VM/LINUX.

Thanks for your time.
Gene


Going from Full Volume to Minidisks

2003-11-20 Thread Gene Walters
Hello, 

Up until now, I have been dedicating entire 3390 volumes for my linux ROOT.  Now I 
want to switch to minidisks so that I can share  the DASD between multiple Linux 
Instances.  I would normally use DDR in VM to clone my Image, but DDR is a 
byte-by-byte copy.  Can I copy from a full volume to a minidisk using DDR?, is there a 
better way?

Thanks
Gene


CPU Limit

2003-10-01 Thread Gene Walters
Is there any type of a workload manager for SuSe Linux?  I have a
situation that a task is taking up all available CPU and not even TCP/IP
can get a word in.  I don't want to purge the task, I just want to limit
how much CPU it can eat.

Thanks
Gene


Re: Anyone tried Levanta

2003-09-11 Thread Gene Walters
Anyone tried BMC's Deployment Manager?   How's it compare to Levanta?

Thanks
Gene

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/10/03 06:27PM 
We're using Levanta.  Started with version 1 and are now using version
2.
Currently have a few production Version 1 instances.   In 3 weeks we
have
some mission-critical Linux instances going into production using
Levanta.
Version 2 is based on VM-level minidisk sharing (instead of NFS as used
in
version 1) which allows packages to be shared amongst instances.  There
is
then a read/write file system layer that allows for customizations to
the
products.   Also the product now supports non-RPM packages which is
GREAT!!
Since our VM environment is dedicated to Linux instances I even use
Levanta
as our USER DIRECT manager.   The two interfaces provided (Web UI and
command level) are both POWERFUL!!!   This sophistication does come
with a
bit of a learning curve.   Some new concepts and terminology.. nothing
like
rocket science... Heck I learned it!!  haha   We're very happy with
the
product!!!


  Version 2 is much stronger than version 1 mainly in that it can
handle
packages that are other than RPMs.
- Original Message -
From: Gene Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:56 AM
Subject: Anyone tried Levanta


 Hi,

 Has anyone on the list tried Levanta?  If so, what do you think of
it?

 thanks
 Gene



Anyone tried Levanta

2003-09-10 Thread Gene Walters
Hi,

Has anyone on the list tried Levanta?  If so, what do you think of it?

thanks
Gene