Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
Funny this thing with words. The word stool meaning chair in english, you know the swedish word for chair is 'stol' ! Cordialement / Vriendelijke Groeten / Best Regards / Med Vänliga Hälsningar Tore Agblad Volvo Information Technology Infrastructure Mainframe Design Development SE-405 08, Gothenburg Sweden E-mail: tore.agb...@volvo.com http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/ From: Linux on 390 Port [linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Erik N Johnson [...@uptownmilitia.com] Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 19:14 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild) I would think the F word is most likely quite old indeed. And it is worth noting that in the UK and I believe Australia the word rutting is used to mean the same activity with which most English speakers commonly associate the F word. Moreover, the German 'ficken' which has precisely this meaning is clearly descended from a common root word. It seems to me likely (and this is based solely on my intuition as a purely amateur philologist, so have your salt shaker handy) that the word did not take on any type of connotation of vulgarity before 1066, when many Anglo-Saxon words became the speech of common people, and unfit for polite company since, at that time, the English aristocracy were largely replaced by French speaking Normans. To this day a stool (which shares a root with the Modern High German stuhl meaning chair) is a sub-standard version of the more stately chair (from the same root as the Modern French chaise) and although we use words of Germanic descent for food animals while alive (cow from kuh) on your plate they are known by their French equivalent (beef from boeuf). Just food for thought, and a pun to boot. Erik Johnson On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:59 AM, David Grothed...@gcom.com wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Much earlier. See http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=fuck Stephen Frazier wrote: Note the USMC logo. The anchor chain is wrapped around the anchor. So, all marines are always fouled up. ;-) The use of the fouled up anchor as a symbol of the marines goes back to at least the late 1700's. The term SNFU or SNAFU (I have seen it both ways although the later is now the more common) may go back that far also. My father told me that he first encountered the term SNFU as Situation Normal Fouled Up when he joined the Navy in 1932. The other F word would not have been used in 1700 as at that time it was a device pulled by a farm horse to plant seeds. It didn't take on its current meaning until some time in the 1800's. Could it be related to sowing wild oats? How far OT do we want to go with this? :-) bruce.light...@its.ms.gov wrote: one more view - 3 of my great uncles were marines - 1 in 1918, WW1 in France. The other 2 in the Pacific in WW2. All 3 agreed that the terms SNAFU and FUBAR were in general use by the enlisted Marines even before their time(s). Was the subject of several memorable conversations at family reunions where some of the gentler family members got offended and left the outdoor festivities to the rougher members - and us wide-eyed young boys. Was probably a similar saying in use in every military back to the Sumerian and pre-Confuscian days. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.2/2214 - Release Date: 07/02/09 05:54:00 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.2/2214 - Release Date: 07/02/09 05:54:00 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff /
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
Agblad Tore wrote: Funny this thing with words. The word stool meaning chair in english, you know the swedish word for chair is 'stol' ! Don't imagine that stool means chair in modern English. One sits on either, but a stool has no back and is used less formally. Perfectly consistent with Erik's observation. -- Cheers John -- spambait 1...@coco.merseine.nu z1...@coco.merseine.nu -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
Erik N Johnson wrote: and I believe Australia the word rutting is used to mean the same activity with which most English speakers commonly associate the F word. Not commonly, but it's known. However, there's a (probably) related four-letter word that is considered vulgar. It's always amused me it's used so much in *X environments. -- Cheers John -- spambait 1...@coco.merseine.nu z1...@coco.merseine.nu -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 20:33:41 +0800 John Summerfield deb...@herakles.homelinux.org wrote: Agblad Tore wrote: Funny this thing with words. The word stool meaning chair in english, you know the swedish word for chair is 'stol' ! Don't imagine that stool means chair in modern English. One sits on either, but a stool has no back and is used less formally. Perfectly consistent with Erik's observation. English tends to import lots of words with the same meaning and assign specific meanings to each (hence also Chair from the latin Cathedra as well as stool and seat from the old Germanic/Frisian roots) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
2009/7/7 Agblad Tore tore.agb...@volvo.com: Funny this thing with words. The word stool meaning chair in english, you know the swedish word for chair is 'stol' ! For all it's worth: it's 'stol' in Slovene, too. :} Cheers, Andrej -- Please don't top post, and don't use HTML e-Mail :} Make your quotes concise. http://www.american.edu/econ/notes/htmlmail.htm -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
On Wed, July 8, 2009 00:33, John Summerfield wrote: Agblad Tore wrote: Funny this thing with words. The word stool meaning chair in english, you know the swedish word for chair is 'stol' ! Don't imagine that stool means chair in modern English. One sits on either, but a stool has no back and is used less formally. Perfectly consistent with Erik's observation. Of course, there's also the stool you wouldn't want to sit on. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
I worked with a young lady, fresh out of college, a few years ago who is a very sharp programmer. Apparently, foobar, fubar, etc, were used frequently in her class examples, to the point that she included them as variables in programs she wrote for the company. A senior programmer was helping her one day and noticed all of the foobar variables. He asked her if she knew what it meant and she truthfully had no idea. He explained it to her, she turned a few shades of red and quit using the variable. I honestly believe she had no idea what it meant. She also couldn't understand how us grey beards could abbreviate variables down to 8 characters. She had a hard time reading some of our programs. Ah, the innocence of youth. Steve -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Michael MacIsaac Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:20 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild) Rob, Maybe you could get a position at the ITSO as an editor and flag the phrase kill a daemon I recently got a variable named foo edited out by an ITSO editor. Because everyone knows that foo is a variant of fubar which is an acronym with a *bad word* in it - foo might offend a reader. The compromise was to name the variable goo. The next step may be to disallow all variables starting with f, and who knows, maybe s too, for good measure :)) Mike MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com (845) 433-7061 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
Old usage: SNAFU - Situation Normal, All F**ed up Old usage: FUBAR - F**ed Up Beyond All Recognition Current Usage: SNAFUBAR - Situation Normal F**ed Up Beyond All Recognition -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
Additional variants: Pronounced Foo Bah FUBAH - F**ed Up Beyond All Hope / F**ed Up Beyond All Help D Waldo Anderson -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Staller, Allan Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 8:56 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild) Old usage: SNAFU - Situation Normal, All F**ed up Old usage: FUBAR - F**ed Up Beyond All Recognition Current Usage: SNAFUBAR - Situation Normal F**ed Up Beyond All Recognition -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
I would think the F word is most likely quite old indeed. And it is worth noting that in the UK and I believe Australia the word rutting is used to mean the same activity with which most English speakers commonly associate the F word. Moreover, the German 'ficken' which has precisely this meaning is clearly descended from a common root word. It seems to me likely (and this is based solely on my intuition as a purely amateur philologist, so have your salt shaker handy) that the word did not take on any type of connotation of vulgarity before 1066, when many Anglo-Saxon words became the speech of common people, and unfit for polite company since, at that time, the English aristocracy were largely replaced by French speaking Normans. To this day a stool (which shares a root with the Modern High German stuhl meaning chair) is a sub-standard version of the more stately chair (from the same root as the Modern French chaise) and although we use words of Germanic descent for food animals while alive (cow from kuh) on your plate they are known by their French equivalent (beef from boeuf). Just food for thought, and a pun to boot. Erik Johnson On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:59 AM, David Grothed...@gcom.com wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Much earlier. See http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=fuck Stephen Frazier wrote: Note the USMC logo. The anchor chain is wrapped around the anchor. So, all marines are always fouled up. ;-) The use of the fouled up anchor as a symbol of the marines goes back to at least the late 1700's. The term SNFU or SNAFU (I have seen it both ways although the later is now the more common) may go back that far also. My father told me that he first encountered the term SNFU as Situation Normal Fouled Up when he joined the Navy in 1932. The other F word would not have been used in 1700 as at that time it was a device pulled by a farm horse to plant seeds. It didn't take on its current meaning until some time in the 1800's. Could it be related to sowing wild oats? How far OT do we want to go with this? :-) bruce.light...@its.ms.gov wrote: one more view - 3 of my great uncles were marines - 1 in 1918, WW1 in France. The other 2 in the Pacific in WW2. All 3 agreed that the terms SNAFU and FUBAR were in general use by the enlisted Marines even before their time(s). Was the subject of several memorable conversations at family reunions where some of the gentler family members got offended and left the outdoor festivities to the rougher members - and us wide-eyed young boys. Was probably a similar saying in use in every military back to the Sumerian and pre-Confuscian days. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.2/2214 - Release Date: 07/02/09 05:54:00 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.2/2214 - Release Date: 07/02/09 05:54:00 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
On Monday, 07/06/2009 at 09:44 EDT, Gentry, Stephen stephen.gen...@lafayettelife.com wrote: I worked with a young lady, fresh out of college, a few years ago who is a very sharp programmer. Apparently, foobar, fubar, etc, were used frequently in her class examples, to the point that she included them as variables in programs she wrote for the company. A senior programmer was helping her one day and noticed all of the foobar variables. He asked her if she knew what it meant and she truthfully had no idea. He explained it to her, she turned a few shades of red and quit using the variable. I honestly believe she had no idea what it meant. She also couldn't understand how us grey beards could abbreviate variables down to 8 characters. She had a hard time reading some of our programs. Ah, the innocence of youth. From Lewis Carroll's *Through the Looking Glass*: I don't know what you mean by 'glory,' Alice said. Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. Of course you don't ? till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!' But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument,' Alice objected. When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said in a rather a scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to mean ? neither more nor less. The question is, said Alice, whether you can make words mean different things. The question is, said Humpty Dumpty, which is to be master ? that's all. Anyone wanting to research the alleged origins of FOOBAR or the acronym FUBAR, or any of its component words, need only Google it. You'll find plenty of opinions and references. Can we let this one go now? Please? Thanks. Alan Altmark Speaking for himself -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Much earlier. See http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=fuck Stephen Frazier wrote: Note the USMC logo. The anchor chain is wrapped around the anchor. So, all marines are always fouled up. ;-) The use of the fouled up anchor as a symbol of the marines goes back to at least the late 1700's. The term SNFU or SNAFU (I have seen it both ways although the later is now the more common) may go back that far also. My father told me that he first encountered the term SNFU as Situation Normal Fouled Up when he joined the Navy in 1932. The other F word would not have been used in 1700 as at that time it was a device pulled by a farm horse to plant seeds. It didn't take on its current meaning until some time in the 1800's. Could it be related to sowing wild oats? How far OT do we want to go with this? :-) bruce.light...@its.ms.gov wrote: one more view - 3 of my great uncles were marines - 1 in 1918, WW1 in France. The other 2 in the Pacific in WW2. All 3 agreed that the terms SNAFU and FUBAR were in general use by the enlisted Marines even before their time(s). Was the subject of several memorable conversations at family reunions where some of the gentler family members got offended and left the outdoor festivities to the rougher members - and us wide-eyed young boys. Was probably a similar saying in use in every military back to the Sumerian and pre-Confuscian days. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.2/2214 - Release Date: 07/02/09 05:54:00 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.2/2214 - Release Date: 07/02/09 05:54:00 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
While the *rode* is indeed wrapped 'round the anchor (and the globe) in the USMC logo it is NOT a chain. Many different materials may be used in the rode, including chain, but there's no chain in the (USMC) logo - it's a rope rode.. Far enough O.T. for you? ___ Karl S Huf | Senior Vice President | World Wide Technology 840 S Canal, Chicago, IL, 60607 | phone (312)630-6287 | k...@ntrs.com Please visit northerntrust.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication is confidential, may be privileged and is meant only for the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender ASAP and delete this message from your system. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: To the extent that this message or any attachment concerns tax matters, it is not intended to be used and cannot be used by a taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding penalties that may be imposed by law. For more information about this notice, see http://www.northerntrust.com/circular230 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU wrote on 07/02/2009 06:25:41 PM: Note the USMC logo. The anchor chain is wrapped around the anchor. So, all marines are always fouled up. ;-) The use of the fouled up anchor as a symbol of the marines goes back to at least the late 1700's. The term SNFU or SNAFU (I have seen it both ways although the later is now the more common) may go back that far also. My father told me that he first encountered the term SNFU as Situation Normal Fouled Up when he joined the Navy in 1932. The other F word would not have been used in 1700 as at that time it was a device pulled by a farm horse to plant seeds. It didn't take on its current meaning until some time in the 1800's. Could it be related to sowing wild oats? How far OT do we want to go with this? :-) bruce.light...@its.ms.gov wrote: one more view - 3 of my great uncles were marines - 1 in 1918, WW1 in France. The other 2 in the Pacific in WW2. All 3 agreed that the terms SNAFU and FUBAR were in general use by the enlisted Marines even before their time(s). Was the subject of several memorable conversations at family reunions where some of the gentler family members got offended and left the outdoor festivities to the rougher members - and us wide-eyed young boys. Was probably a similar saying in use in every military back to the Sumerian and pre-Confuscian days. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 image/jpeg
OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Scott Rohlingscott.rohl...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm.. Disabled cpu topology, added processor degradation capability... Those sound, well.. bad. I'm sure they're not, but something gets lost in the 8 words or less synoposis ;-) I passed your post on to a customer and they commented that they already do a fine job of degrading processors on their own ... giggle You also get upset by the idea of external interrupts? Join the managers who got back from class and found the need to rename problem management into incident management (or worse, opportunity management because a customer complaint is an opportunity to improve our service even further). And I was called sarcastic when I assumed change management was going to be predictive opportunity management :-) Maybe you could get a position at the ITSO as an editor and flag the phrase kill a daemon with the suggestion to use less strong language (yes, true story) Rob (it's almost friday and very hot) PS On the serious side: the cpu topology stuff is a z10 LPAR-only thing, so rather small audience. Obviously z/VM doing virtual CPU topology is on my wish list ;-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
Rob, Maybe you could get a position at the ITSO as an editor and flag the phrase kill a daemon I recently got a variable named foo edited out by an ITSO editor. Because everyone knows that foo is a variant of fubar which is an acronym with a *bad word* in it - foo might offend a reader. The compromise was to name the variable goo. The next step may be to disallow all variables starting with f, and who knows, maybe s too, for good measure :)) Mike MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com (845) 433-7061 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
Actually, foo is unrelated to fubar. Foo was the licence plate on Smokey Stover's two wheeled car in the comic strips, dating back to the 1920's or 1930's. Fubar and foobar came into use later, as far as I can tell, but it's hard to trace things like that. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. On 7/2/09 8:20 AM, Michael MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com wrote: Rob, Maybe you could get a position at the ITSO as an editor and flag the phrase kill a daemon I recently got a variable named foo edited out by an ITSO editor. Because everyone knows that foo is a variant of fubar which is an acronym with a *bad word* in it - foo might offend a reader. The compromise was to name the variable goo. The next step may be to disallow all variables starting with f, and who knows, maybe s too, for good measure :)) Mike MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com (845) 433-7061 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
FOOBAR dates from WW2 where it was more commonly spelled FUBAR. The polite definition is fouled up beyond all recognition. Guess what the real definition is! Edward Long --- On Thu, 7/2/09, RPN01 nix.rob...@mayo.edu wrote: From: RPN01 nix.rob...@mayo.edu Subject: Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild) To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 11:45 AM Actually, foo is unrelated to fubar. Foo was the licence plate on Smokey Stover's two wheeled car in the comic strips, dating back to the 1920's or 1930's. Fubar and foobar came into use later, as far as I can tell, but it's hard to trace things like that. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation .~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW /V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ - ^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. On 7/2/09 8:20 AM, Michael MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com wrote: Rob, Maybe you could get a position at the ITSO as an editor and flag the phrase kill a daemon I recently got a variable named foo edited out by an ITSO editor. Because everyone knows that foo is a variant of fubar which is an acronym with a *bad word* in it - foo might offend a reader. The compromise was to name the variable goo. The next step may be to disallow all variables starting with f, and who knows, maybe s too, for good measure :)) Mike MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com (845) 433-7061 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
Hello! I can confirm your posting (or musings) regarding the word foo. It was indeed the license plate indicator for that illustrious gentleman. I remember seeing the comic strip someplace and the plate struck me as amusing. I believe the words Fubar and foobar surfaced during the Un*x epoch, they were certainly popular during the BSD time period. There's a reference of sorts in the book that Cliff Stoll wrote on his efforts to track down a nest of crackers during the middle eighties. As for the rest of it, I suspect Google might know but I'm not going to be accepting bets on it. I see no real reason why someone at ITSO would get his proboscis out of joint concerning the meaning of words such as these. -- Gregg C Levine hansolofal...@worldnet.att.net The Force will be with you always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of RPN01 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:46 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild) Actually, foo is unrelated to fubar. Foo was the licence plate on Smokey Stover's two wheeled car in the comic strips, dating back to the 1920's or 1930's. Fubar and foobar came into use later, as far as I can tell, but it's hard to trace things like that. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. On 7/2/09 8:20 AM, Michael MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com wrote: Rob, Maybe you could get a position at the ITSO as an editor and flag the phrase kill a daemon I recently got a variable named foo edited out by an ITSO editor. Because everyone knows that foo is a variant of fubar which is an acronym with a *bad word* in it - foo might offend a reader. The compromise was to name the variable goo. The next step may be to disallow all variables starting with f, and who knows, maybe s too, for good measure :)) Mike MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com (845) 433-7061 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
Yup, beyond all doubt. But foo was still the license plate on Smokey Stover's car and has nothing to do with fubar or foobar. It may have been Pascal, but I had a textbook whose favorite variable names were foo, bar and foobar. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. On 7/2/09 11:14 AM, Ed Long rdhm...@prodigy.net wrote: FOOBAR dates from WW2 where it was more commonly spelled FUBAR. The polite definition is fouled up beyond all recognition. Guess what the real definition is! Edward Long --- On Thu, 7/2/09, RPN01 nix.rob...@mayo.edu wrote: From: RPN01 nix.rob...@mayo.edu Subject: Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild) To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 11:45 AM Actually, foo is unrelated to fubar. Foo was the licence plate on Smokey Stover's two wheeled car in the comic strips, dating back to the 1920's or 1930's. Fubar and foobar came into use later, as far as I can tell, but it's hard to trace things like that. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation .~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW /V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ - ^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. On 7/2/09 8:20 AM, Michael MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com wrote: Rob, Maybe you could get a position at the ITSO as an editor and flag the phrase kill a daemon I recently got a variable named foo edited out by an ITSO editor. Because everyone knows that foo is a variant of fubar which is an acronym with a *bad word* in it - foo might offend a reader. The compromise was to name the variable goo. The next step may be to disallow all variables starting with f, and who knows, maybe s too, for good measure :)) Mike MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com (845) 433-7061 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
I see no real reason why someone at ITSO would get his proboscis out of joint concerning the meaning of words such as these Personally I liked the way some vaxen and pdp's reported failed unibus transactions. One thing reported was the failed address. Naturally enough it was reported in the FUBAR - Failed UniBus Address Register ... and the acronym approximated the machine state when it occurred -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
A related term also from WW2 is SNFU. Widely used in the Navy for Situation Normal Fouled Up. In Navy terminology fouled up means that your anchor chain is tangled so you can't raise the anchor and get aweigh. Aweigh of course means that the ships anchor has been pulled in enough that it is no longer dragging bottom. What you gave as the polite definition for FUBAR is what during WW2 the Army liked to call the Navy. The less polite definition of FUBAR seems to have originated at about the same time. It is what the Army called the Army. :) Ed Long wrote: FOOBAR dates from WW2 where it was more commonly spelled FUBAR. The polite definition is fouled up beyond all recognition. Guess what the real definition is! Edward Long -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
Isn't that snafu -- situation normal all fouled up? Scott On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Stephen Frazier ste...@doc.state.ok.uswrote: A related term also from WW2 is SNFU. Widely used in the Navy for Situation Normal Fouled Up. In Navy terminology fouled up means that your anchor chain is tangled so you can't raise the anchor and get aweigh. Aweigh of course means that the ships anchor has been pulled in enough that it is no longer dragging bottom. What you gave as the polite definition for FUBAR is what during WW2 the Army liked to call the Navy. The less polite definition of FUBAR seems to have originated at about the same time. It is what the Army called the Army. :) Ed Long wrote: FOOBAR dates from WW2 where it was more commonly spelled FUBAR. The polite definition is fouled up beyond all recognition. Guess what the real definition is! Edward Long -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
one more view - 3 of my great uncles were marines - 1 in 1918, WW1 in France. The other 2 in the Pacific in WW2. All 3 agreed that the terms SNAFU and FUBAR were in general use by the enlisted Marines even before their time(s). Was the subject of several memorable conversations at family reunions where some of the gentler family members got offended and left the outdoor festivities to the rougher members - and us wide-eyed young boys. Was probably a similar saying in use in every military back to the Sumerian and pre-Confuscian days. Scott Rohling scott.rohl...@gm ail.com To Sent by: Linux on LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 390 Port cc linux-...@vm.mar IST.EDU Subject Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild) 07/02/2009 03:10 PM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port linux-...@vm.mar IST.EDU Isn't that snafu -- situation normal all fouled up? Scott On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Stephen Frazier ste...@doc.state.ok.uswrote: A related term also from WW2 is SNFU. Widely used in the Navy for Situation Normal Fouled Up. In Navy terminology fouled up means that your anchor chain is tangled so you can't raise the anchor and get aweigh. Aweigh of course means that the ships anchor has been pulled in enough that it is no longer dragging bottom. What you gave as the polite definition for FUBAR is what during WW2 the Army liked to call the Navy. The less polite definition of FUBAR seems to have originated at about the same time. It is what the Army called the Army. :) Ed Long wrote: FOOBAR dates from WW2 where it was more commonly spelled FUBAR. The polite definition is fouled up beyond all recognition. Guess what the real definition is! Edward Long -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
Note the USMC logo. The anchor chain is wrapped around the anchor. So, all marines are always fouled up. ;-) The use of the fouled up anchor as a symbol of the marines goes back to at least the late 1700's. The term SNFU or SNAFU (I have seen it both ways although the later is now the more common) may go back that far also. My father told me that he first encountered the term SNFU as Situation Normal Fouled Up when he joined the Navy in 1932. The other F word would not have been used in 1700 as at that time it was a device pulled by a farm horse to plant seeds. It didn't take on its current meaning until some time in the 1800's. Could it be related to sowing wild oats? How far OT do we want to go with this? :-) bruce.light...@its.ms.gov wrote: one more view - 3 of my great uncles were marines - 1 in 1918, WW1 in France. The other 2 in the Pacific in WW2. All 3 agreed that the terms SNAFU and FUBAR were in general use by the enlisted Marines even before their time(s). Was the subject of several memorable conversations at family reunions where some of the gentler family members got offended and left the outdoor festivities to the rougher members - and us wide-eyed young boys. Was probably a similar saying in use in every military back to the Sumerian and pre-Confuscian days. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
