Re: Install question
A life? I think I used to have one, prior to 2000 or 2001. I actually went on a real vacation last week, so some of the memories are coming back... (A lot of people think that giving presentations at SHARE, WAVV, and zSeries Expo is the same as going on vacation, but they've never taken me up on my challenge to shadow me during those events.) I'm planning on updating the website a little this week, now that I've caught up on some sleep. Hopefully it won't be quite so "obsolete" when I'm done. :) Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:34 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Install question > Since the Marist distro is so out-of-date, why is it still up and > downloadable without large warnings to get a more modern level? You'd have to ask Marist, but my guesses are: 1) Hysterical Raisins. Some people get off on retro-computing (this from a person that runs TOPS20 on an emulated KS20 under VMWare on this same Windows box just to run a *proper* version of Emacs for writing stuff). 2) Marist is out of round-tuits for updating obsolete web pages. Mark Post may have a similar lack, or he's finally decided to Get a Life(tm). 3) Inertia, leading to entropy. It'll be the death of the universe at some point. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Install question
> Since the Marist distro is so out-of-date, why is it still up and > downloadable without large warnings to get a more modern level? You'd have to ask Marist, but my guesses are: 1) Hysterical Raisins. Some people get off on retro-computing (this from a person that runs TOPS20 on an emulated KS20 under VMWare on this same Windows box just to run a *proper* version of Emacs for writing stuff). 2) Marist is out of round-tuits for updating obsolete web pages. Mark Post may have a similar lack, or he's finally decided to Get a Life(tm). 3) Inertia, leading to entropy. It'll be the death of the universe at some point. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Install question
> First, I tried Debian. What problems did you have with Debian? > This proof of concept is talking me a long time! > A new release of Z/OS or Z/VM might be easier. The networking problem you described will occur with any Linux distribution you try. You have to work with your networking people to get the right routing set up for *any* of the distributions to work. Linux relies much more heavily on network setup than z/OS or z/VM does -- and in the z/VM environment, you're setting up network segments, not just hosts, so a lot of the stuff that gets done out in the boxes in your corporate network becomes visible to you -- you get to be network dude as well as systems dude. > All I want to do is get LINUX up and running and let some people see > what we can do with it. > It looks easy to do in the IBM magazines. It is. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Install question
>Thank you for your advice. >I will try to install CentOS >This is the second time. I have tried to install LINUX in a VM guest. >First, I tried Debian. >Second, I tried Marist. >This proof of concept is talking me a long time! >A new release of Z/OS or Z/VM might be easier. >All I want to do is get LINUX up and running and let some people see >what we can do with it. >It looks easy to do in the IBM magazines. Why not try SUSE or REDHAT? Both offer free trial periods with some level of support.. The packages can be downloaded for free after you register with them. http://www.novell.com/products/linuxenterpriseserver/eval.html https://www.redhat.com/rhel/details/eval/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Install question
Everything looks easy in the magazines ;-) Coming from a mainframe background, Linux can be difficult. The installation instructions are not as good as z/VM or other mainframe OSes. You really have to have some kind of a Linux, PC or mainframe, around to help stage the install, since Windows is so incompatible in assorted areas. Pick a distribution, start your install, document what you have done, and post your questions here when you hit a problem. Remember, the more info you can give us on the problem, and what you have done, the easier it is to get help. The one advantage that the original Marist version had, was that it did not require an existing Linux to get started with. The later versions kind of need one to stage the install files, but they give you SO MUCH more. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harting, David Sent: April 27, 2006 11:19 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Install question Thank you for your advice. I will try to install CentOS This is the second time. I have tried to install LINUX in a VM guest. First, I tried Debian. Second, I tried Marist. This proof of concept is talking me a long time! A new release of Z/OS or Z/VM might be easier. All I want to do is get LINUX up and running and let some people see what we can do with it. It looks easy to do in the IBM magazines. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:57 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Install question > I am installing Marist/LINUX on an IBM Z800 in a Z/VM guest. Bluntly, give up on the Marist distribution and start with something more modern that supports guest LANs. The Marist code is *ancient* and lacks a number of important things to make it usable for anything. You'll spend more time chasing those problems than learning anything about Linux. If you need a totally free distribution to play with, check into CentOS or Debian. Both are considerably more up to date, and much more representative of the current state of the art. Returning to your question: > I am able to ping from the tcpmaint ID to the LINUX but it seems I can not > do this from outside of the mainframe. The problem is not in your setup, but in the network outside your setup. You need to have your networking people insert a static route into the network infrastructure that tells the rest of the world that your Linux guest is reachable via the VM TCPIP stack, or configure MPROUTE on VM and have the networking guys accept routing updates from it. They're more likely to do the static route approach. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 ^ This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. Personal emails are restricted by policy of the State Employees' Credit Union (SECU). Therefore SECU specifically disclaims any responsibility or liability for any personal information or opinions of the author expressed in this email. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or delegate is strictly prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The integrity and security of this message cannot by guaranteed on the Internet. The Sender accepts no liability for the content of this e-mail, or for the consequences of any actions taken on basis of the information provided. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The sender accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. This disclaimer is the property of the TTC and must not be altered or circumvented in any manner. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Install question
Thank you for your advice. I will try to install CentOS This is the second time. I have tried to install LINUX in a VM guest. First, I tried Debian. Second, I tried Marist. This proof of concept is talking me a long time! A new release of Z/OS or Z/VM might be easier. All I want to do is get LINUX up and running and let some people see what we can do with it. It looks easy to do in the IBM magazines. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:57 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Install question > I am installing Marist/LINUX on an IBM Z800 in a Z/VM guest. Bluntly, give up on the Marist distribution and start with something more modern that supports guest LANs. The Marist code is *ancient* and lacks a number of important things to make it usable for anything. You'll spend more time chasing those problems than learning anything about Linux. If you need a totally free distribution to play with, check into CentOS or Debian. Both are considerably more up to date, and much more representative of the current state of the art. Returning to your question: > I am able to ping from the tcpmaint ID to the LINUX but it seems I can not > do this from outside of the mainframe. The problem is not in your setup, but in the network outside your setup. You need to have your networking people insert a static route into the network infrastructure that tells the rest of the world that your Linux guest is reachable via the VM TCPIP stack, or configure MPROUTE on VM and have the networking guys accept routing updates from it. They're more likely to do the static route approach. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 ^ This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. Personal emails are restricted by policy of the State Employees' Credit Union (SECU). Therefore SECU specifically disclaims any responsibility or liability for any personal information or opinions of the author expressed in this email. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Install question
Since the Marist distro is so out-of-date, why is it still up and downloadable without large warnings to get a more modern level? Fuzzy -- Latin: Dum spiro spero. English: While I breathe, I hope. On 4/27/06, David Boyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bluntly, give up on the Marist distribution and start with something more modern that supports guest LANs. The Marist code is *ancient* and lacks a number of important things to make it usable for anything. You'll spend more time chasing those problems than learning anything about Linux. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Install question
> I am installing Marist/LINUX on an IBM Z800 in a Z/VM guest. Bluntly, give up on the Marist distribution and start with something more modern that supports guest LANs. The Marist code is *ancient* and lacks a number of important things to make it usable for anything. You'll spend more time chasing those problems than learning anything about Linux. If you need a totally free distribution to play with, check into CentOS or Debian. Both are considerably more up to date, and much more representative of the current state of the art. Returning to your question: > I am able to ping from the tcpmaint ID to the LINUX but it seems I can not > do this from outside of the mainframe. The problem is not in your setup, but in the network outside your setup. You need to have your networking people insert a static route into the network infrastructure that tells the rest of the world that your Linux guest is reachable via the VM TCPIP stack, or configure MPROUTE on VM and have the networking guys accept routing updates from it. They're more likely to do the static route approach. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Install question
The most common reason for this with someone just starting to use z/Linux is your Linux guest and your VM OSA interface to the rest of the world are on the same subnet, and you have not added PROXYARP to ASSORTEDPARMS in your PROFILE TCPIP. Do it the right way from the beginning, get a new subnet for your Linux guests. Saves a lot of pain in the short and long term. And while your at it, download a more recent Linux, such as Centos http://www.centos.org. You can't learn all that much from such an old version. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harting, David Sent: April 27, 2006 10:04 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Install question I am installing Marist/LINUX on an IBM Z800 in a Z/VM guest. I am unable to ftp the root file system into the LINUX(page 116 of the Linux for S/390 install/config). I am unable to ping from my PC to the LINUX. I am able to ping from the tcpmaint ID to the LINUX but it seems I can not do this from outside of the mainframe. Ping Level 520: Pinging host xx.xx.xx.60. Enter 'HX' followed by 'BEGIN' to interrupt. PING: Ping #1 response took 0.001 seconds. Successes so far 1 Ready; T=0.03/0.04 09:04:07 This is my config from inside the LINUX. ifconfig ctc0 Link encap:Serial Line IP inet addr:xx.xx.xx.60 P-t-P:xx.xx.xx.62 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 Can you get a point to point connection to the external world? From the tcpmaint id in VM. ifconfig -a ETH0 inet addr: 10.1.1.62 mask: 255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU: 1492 vdev: 0014 rdev: 0014 type: QDIO ETHERNET portname: UNASSIGNED ipv4 router type: NONROUTER ipv6: DISABLED cpu: 0 forwarding: ENABLED RX bytes: 1423930 TX bytes: 8015 LI2000LNK inet addr: 10.1.1.62 P-t-P: 10.1.1.60 mask: 255.255.255.255 UP BROADCAST MULTICAST POINTOPOINT MTU: 9216 vdev: 2000 type: CTC portnumber: 0 connects to: LINMSTR 2005 cpu: 0 forwarding: ENABLED RX bytes: 75868 TX bytes: 31108 Ready; T=0.04/0.05 09:57:00 Is there any other parm I have to add to the TCPIP stack other then devise,link,home,gateway, and start? ^ This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. Personal emails are restricted by policy of the State Employees' Credit Union (SECU). Therefore SECU specifically disclaims any responsibility or liability for any personal information or opinions of the author expressed in this email. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or delegate is strictly prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The integrity and security of this message cannot by guaranteed on the Internet. The Sender accepts no liability for the content of this e-mail, or for the consequences of any actions taken on basis of the information provided. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The sender accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. This disclaimer is the property of the TTC and must not be altered or circumvented in any manner. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
