Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
We have been playing with stonebranch universal command to do some nifty ISPF interface stuff and batch to Linux stuff, but going into prod with this setup is making management have a cat. $5200 per Linux IMAGE on z/OS and 3600 per Linux image on Intel. We'd never be using it that much. What is has allowed us to do is easily run a Linux script from the step of a batch job on z/OS on a targeted Linux system. This has allowed us to make a WebSphere component shutdown/startup/status ISPF dialogue, as well as be able to keep the scripts we wish to run in a RACF secured dataset on z/OS disk so that the scripts do not live on the z/Series Linux guests at all, merely run there and then end. The good folken at Sine Nomine did an nje/rje thing, but I'm not sure if that fits the bill or not. What I'm looking for is some way to drive events on Linux from within ISPF or z/OS batch processes to replicate what I have now without 65,000 in license charges. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks -J -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
If you have the no-cost SSH add-on for z/OS installed, I don't see why that couldn't be used to run scripts on your Linux systems from a dialog or a batch job step. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Melin Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 1:58 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface We have been playing with stonebranch universal command to do some nifty ISPF interface stuff and batch to Linux stuff, but going into prod with this setup is making management have a cat. $5200 per Linux IMAGE on z/OS and 3600 per Linux image on Intel. We'd never be using it that much. What is has allowed us to do is easily run a Linux script from the step of a batch job on z/OS on a targeted Linux system. This has allowed us to make a WebSphere component shutdown/startup/status ISPF dialogue, as well as be able to keep the scripts we wish to run in a RACF secured dataset on z/OS disk so that the scripts do not live on the z/Series Linux guests at all, merely run there and then end. The good folken at Sine Nomine did an nje/rje thing, but I'm not sure if that fits the bill or not. What I'm looking for is some way to drive events on Linux from within ISPF or z/OS batch processes to replicate what I have now without 65,000 in license charges. Anyone have any ideas? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
How about ssh? James Melin wrote: We have been playing with stonebranch universal command to do some nifty ISPF interface stuff and batch to Linux stuff, but going into prod with this setup is making management have a cat. $5200 per Linux IMAGE on z/OS and 3600 per Linux image on Intel. We'd never be using it that much. What is has allowed us to do is easily run a Linux script from the step of a batch job on z/OS on a targeted Linux system. This has allowed us to make a WebSphere component shutdown/startup/status ISPF dialogue, as well as be able to keep the scripts we wish to run in a RACF secured dataset on z/OS disk so that the scripts do not live on the z/Series Linux guests at all, merely run there and then end. The good folken at Sine Nomine did an nje/rje thing, but I'm not sure if that fits the bill or not. What I'm looking for is some way to drive events on Linux from within ISPF or z/OS batch processes to replicate what I have now without 65,000 in license charges. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks -J -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Main: (262)392-2026 Cell: (414)491-6001 Ans Service: (360)715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2006 - Chattanooga, TN - April 7-11, 2006 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
I tried to make that work once upon a long time ago. If I recall correctly at
the time there was some kludge random number bolt on thing that had to
be used and was of questionable stability? Has it matured? That's one thign I
have long wanted IBM to include in os/390 and then z/OS as part of the
'environment'.
I sense I would lose the ability to run the scripts from a RACF secured PDS in
that environment and have to keep copies on all linux systems for which
that script would be run.
I presume the SSH offering is much more mature now than it was 5 years ago?
"Post, Mark K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
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If you have the no-cost SSH add-on for z/OS installed, I don't see why
that couldn't be used to run scripts on your Linux systems from a dialog
or a batch job step.
Mark Post
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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
James Melin
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 1:58 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux
interface
We have been playing with stonebranch universal command to do some nifty
ISPF interface stuff and batch to Linux stuff, but going into prod with
this setup is making management have a cat. $5200 per Linux IMAGE on
z/OS and 3600 per Linux image on Intel. We'd never be using it that
much.
What is has allowed us to do is easily run a Linux script from the step
of a batch job on z/OS on a targeted Linux system.
This has allowed us to make a WebSphere component
shutdown/startup/status ISPF dialogue, as well as be able to keep the
scripts we wish to run in a RACF secured dataset on z/OS disk so that
the scripts do not live on the z/Series Linux guests at all, merely run
there and then end.
The good folken at Sine Nomine did an nje/rje thing, but I'm not sure if
that fits the bill or not.
What I'm looking for is some way to drive events on Linux from within
ISPF or z/OS batch processes to replicate what I have now without 65,000
in license charges.
Anyone have any ideas?
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Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
Yes, it's an official IBM offering. No cost to license it. They've been giving a number of sessions on it at SHARE, including labs on installing it. You even get PTFs for it now. If you want to keep the scripts on the z/OS system, I don't see why you couldn't have an scp command to copy the command to the target system (in an appropriately secure place), an ssh command to execute it, and another ssh command to delete it when done. I would think that's essentially what the "Universal Command" stuff you're running now does. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Melin Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:18 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface I tried to make that work once upon a long time ago. If I recall correctly at the time there was some kludge random number bolt on thing that had to be used and was of questionable stability? Has it matured? That's one thign I have long wanted IBM to include in os/390 and then z/OS as part of the 'environment'. I sense I would lose the ability to run the scripts from a RACF secured PDS in that environment and have to keep copies on all linux systems for which that script would be run. I presume the SSH offering is much more mature now than it was 5 years ago? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
So can this be ordered like other IBM z/OS software? We get a lot of stuff via
CBPDO and that would be the best since we have maintenance going on at
the end of the month. Woudl be cool to have that avaialable when I get back
from vacation. Can that be acquired through the CBPDO process?
"Post, Mark K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
Please respond to
Linux on 390 Port
Yes, it's an official IBM offering. No cost to license it. They've
been giving a number of sessions on it at SHARE, including labs on
installing it. You even get PTFs for it now.
If you want to keep the scripts on the z/OS system, I don't see why you
couldn't have an scp command to copy the command to the target system
(in an appropriately secure place), an ssh command to execute it, and
another ssh command to delete it when done. I would think that's
essentially what the "Universal Command" stuff you're running now does.
Mark Post
-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
James Melin
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:18 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux
interface
I tried to make that work once upon a long time ago. If I recall
correctly at the time there was some kludge random number bolt on thing
that had to be used and was of questionable stability? Has it matured?
That's one thign I have long wanted IBM to include in os/390 and then
z/OS as part of the 'environment'.
I sense I would lose the ability to run the scripts from a RACF secured
PDS in that environment and have to keep copies on all linux systems for
which that script would be run.
I presume the SSH offering is much more mature now than it was 5 years
ago?
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Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
I would imagine so. Take a look at http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/unix/port_tools.html and try following some of the links, particularly the Program Directory at the bottom. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Melin Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:41 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface So can this be ordered like other IBM z/OS software? We get a lot of stuff via CBPDO and that would be the best since we have maintenance going on at the end of the month. Woudl be cool to have that avaialable when I get back from vacation. Can that be acquired through the CBPDO process? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
The NJE stuff we did has a batch plug in on the Linux side that will allow you to send jobs to Linux and have the results sent back to z/OS. So your scripts would live up on z/OS you'd submit a job to Linux where it'd be executed and the output from stdout/stderr would be returned back to the entity that submitted the job. Neale -Original Message- We have been playing with stonebranch universal command to do some nifty ISPF interface stuff and batch to Linux stuff, but going into prod with this setup is making management have a cat. $5200 per Linux IMAGE on z/OS and 3600 per Linux image on Intel. We'd never be using it that much. What is has allowed us to do is easily run a Linux script from the step of a batch job on z/OS on a targeted Linux system. This has allowed us to make a WebSphere component shutdown/startup/status ISPF dialogue, as well as be able to keep the scripts we wish to run in a RACF secured dataset on z/OS disk so that the scripts do not live on the z/Series Linux guests at all, merely run there and then end. The good folken at Sine Nomine did an nje/rje thing, but I'm not sure if that fits the bill or not. What I'm looking for is some way to drive events on Linux from within ISPF or z/OS batch processes to replicate what I have now without 65,000 in license charges. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
On 1/9/06, James Melin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We have been playing with stonebranch universal command to do some nifty ISPF > interface stuff and batch to Linux stuff, but going into prod with this > setup is making management have a cat. $5200 per Linux IMAGE on z/OS and 3600 > per Linux image on Intel. We'd never be using it that much. > > What is has allowed us to do is easily run a Linux script from the step of a > batch job on z/OS on a targeted Linux system. > > This has allowed us to make a WebSphere component shutdown/startup/status > ISPF dialogue, as well as be able to keep the scripts we wish to run in a > RACF secured dataset on z/OS disk so that the scripts do not live on the > z/Series Linux guests at all, merely run there and then end. > > The good folken at Sine Nomine did an nje/rje thing, but I'm not sure if that > fits the bill or not. > > What I'm looking for is some way to drive events on Linux from within ISPF or > z/OS batch processes to replicate what I have now without 65,000 in > license charges. > > > Anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks > > -J > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > I won't be able to answer your question but just in case you are running zVM. zVM comes with the Programmable Operator interface to accomplish some of what you are looking for from zVM/CMS. This allows you to filter and respond to messages from a CMS session. Also, Neale Ferguson (now with Sinome) wrote the facility to allow you to execute VM/CP commands from Linux (opposite to what you need - www.linuxvm.org). An idea that might work is to run an ftp session from TSO/Batch to your Linux image and print the response from Linux. Scanning with your program what you get back from Linux to take counter actions can be time consuming but it can be done. One final idea is in case you are running a scheduler such as UC4. You can have the scripts under the scheduler on one machine to execute in your Linux images. I apologize if none of these ideas can be put to use to solve your problem. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
On 1/9/06, James Melin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So can this be ordered like other IBM z/OS software? We get a lot of stuff > via CBPDO and that would be the best since we have maintenance going on at > the end of the month. Woudl be cool to have that avaialable when I get back > from vacation. Can that be acquired through the CBPDO process? If you haven't already, visit the IBM ShopzSeries product catalog at https://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/ShopzSeries/ShopzSeries.jsp?action=prodcat and make the following selections: Country: United States Package type: z/OS - ServerPac Group:MVS - System Mgmt. and Security Language: All languages You should see: [5655-M23] IBM Ported Tools for z/OS [FMIDs] 1.01.00 English (US) The FMID is HOS1110. The product can be ordered for electronic delivery. You may also need to order some maintenance: From chapter 2 of the IBM Ported Tools for z/OS User's Guide: An updated version of OpenSSH is now available as a PTF (APAR number OA10315). This PTF upgrades the OpenSSH functionality from 3.5p1 to 3.8.1p1, and OpenSSL functionality from 0.9.7b to 0.9.7d. You'll find the User's Guide at: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/fotza102.pdf. If you've enabled the Integrated Cryptographic Service Facility (ICSF) and have installed z/OS V1R7 you can take advantage of hardware based random number generation. Please enjoy your vacation! Paul [snip] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
