a link for emacs users on a dull day... :-)
http://www.emacs.org.uk (it's a commercial site, AFAI-understand. maybe someone can explain this better?) Boaz. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another make question
Dan Kenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is there a makefile variable carrying the name of the current/initial > makefile? Not that I know of, but inside your makefile you can do sth like THISFILE := "$RCSFile$" or $Source$ or something more cumbersome but equivalent if you are not using RCS/CVS. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] "If it ain't broken, it has not got enough features yet." = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a link for emacs users on a dull day... :-)
"Rymland, Boaz (Boaz)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > http://www.emacs.org.uk > > (it's a commercial site, AFAI-understand. maybe someone can explain this > better?) A "bodyshop" is what we call "pachach". I don't know if EMACS is trademarked, maybe E.M.A Computer Solutions Ltd. should cease and desist? Email RMS. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] "If it ain't broken, it has not got enough features yet." = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need recommendations on ADSL providers.
Maxim Kryachko wrote: > > Hi list. > I'm switching to ADSL (at home), so I need to choose ISP. > I need also static IP. > So far I found out (from adsl.org.il) that only Actcom provides static > IP by default without charging extra fees, but I don't know anyone who > connects with Actcom. Does anybody here have any experience with Actcom? > They sell packages for Bezeq Wow deal (512K/64K), but write in price > offer that "nominal" bandwidth is 256K. What does it mean? If you were to set up a long download, or use it for web hosting, etc, you would find that over the period of a day, your DOWNLOAD throughput would average out to 256kbps. This is pretty good as people on this list have said they get closer to 64k. Now note that the UPLOAD bandwith is already limited to 64k, and quite likley would be less than that. If you are going to do web hosting, etc, forget aDSL, and get a frame relay line. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson Bloomberg L.P., BFM (Israel) 2 hours ahead of London, 7 hours ahead of New York. Tel: 972-(0)3-6944-211 Fax: 972-(0)3-6944-225 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Need recommendations on ADSL providers.
> > If you were to set up a long download, or use it for > web hosting, etc, > you would find that over the period of a day, your > DOWNLOAD throughput > would average out to 256kbps. This is pretty good as people > on this list > have said they get closer to 64k. > I had long talks with Actcom people on this matter actually, and the answer I received is that: 1. Line is not capped in any way on their side. 2. They put this clause as a pre-causion for future possibilities, and right now "your mileage may wary". I get high download rates from some (rare) sites (1.5 mbps and higher), and poor from others. > Now note that the UPLOAD bandwith is already limited to > 64k, and quite > likley would be less than that. > On the contrary. Upload speed is limited by Bezeq, and you can raise it (if you switch to WOW Extra or Extreme), and right now it's 96K for regular WOW if I remember correclty. I upload big files on regular basis, and 96K is about the speed. Actcom people told me that their upload is very underutilized, so I shouldn't worry about it being saturated. > If you are going to do web hosting, etc, forget aDSL, and > get a frame > relay line. > Actom position is this, as far as I understand: their license prohibits their customers from running commercial services on ADSL lines. They do not block any ports, but if I ran web server, etc., they don't want to hear about it and they won't give any support for it. Of course, no one in their mind would run anything bigger than "my pet's photos" website on ADSL line anyway. Haim. > Geoff. > > -- > Geoffrey S. Mendelson > Bloomberg L.P., BFM (Israel) 2 hours ahead of London, 7 > hours ahead of New York. > Tel: 972-(0)3-6944-211 Fax: 972-(0)3-6944-225 Email: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
scoreboard
Hi, Does anybody have any experience with, or at least some knowledge of, Apache's scoreboard? It is undocumented, even in the documentations of Apache's internals and API, and it is implemented so complex, so it is almost impossible to understand what is going there. In addition, there are almost no examples (maybe excect for mod_status, which uses it in a very special and irrelevant way). -- Eli Marmor [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO, Founder Netmask (El-Mar) Internet Technologies Ltd. __ Tel.: +972-9-766-1020 8 Yad-Harutzim St. Fax.: +972-9-766-1314 P.O.B. 7004 Mobile: +972-50-23-7338 Kfar-Saba 44641, Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Silicom Ethernet+RS-232 serial port PCMCIA linux driver
Title: Message http://www.silicom.co.il/Products/products.htm Silicom is Israeli company with boasted Linux support for their PCMCIA cards. In past, i contacted their techsupport for the Linux driver, they answer me once and kept silent after that, but at least talked to me. ( It was about a year ago ). Evgeny -Original Message-From: alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 5:14 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Silicom Ethernet+RS-232 serial port PCMCIA linux driver Please help to find Silicom Ethernet+RS-232 serial port PCMCIA card linux driver(after 2 weeks of searching I'm not sure it does exists) or recommend the way to build it(I'm not too expirienced with that) Thanks** The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. It is intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager or the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any one or make copies. ** eSafe scanned this email for viruses, vandals and malicious content ** **
Re: 2Gig filesize limit problem....
On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 08:51:58AM +0200, Schlomo Schapiro wrote: > I actually meant functions like ftell which return the position. If the > function returns a 64bit integer but the programmer uses a 32bit integer > this shouldn't work -- unless the compiler silently upgrades all 32bit > integers ? The programmer should use off_t as an offset type, not directly declare a long variable. off_t's size is changed according to the interface you use. But yes, if a programmer explicitly uses a long offset, then he's screwed. Regards, Yotam Rubin > > Schlomo > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alcatel ADSL modem, Linux and Bezeq ADSL
We connected a LAN to the Internet via Alcatel's Speed Touch HOME ADSL modem. This modem is an Ethernet modem, and works with a regular phone line (i.e. not ISDN). The gateway is Linux-based, and we use Mulix' patched pptp (with the --quirks option). We use a Linux-based gateway/firewall (with kernel 2.2 and ipchains). The connection works - we can fetch and send E-mail, telnet, FTP and surf to several Web sites. However: 1. This works with and without the --quirks=BEZEQ_ISRAEL option. 2. We can't surf to some Web sites both in Israel and abroad. Working in Israel: www.zak.co.il works, and so do news.walla.co.il, www.pointer.co.il. Working abroad: www.slashdot.com works, and so does newsforge.com. Do not work in Israel: quotes.globes.co.il does not work. Do not work abroad: linuxtoday.com, dailynews.yahoo.com. 3. The problem was experienced equally by MS-Windows NT, 2000 and Linux machines in the LAN. According to tcpdump logs and firewall's logs, Web communication ceases after 5 packets between the Web browser and the Web site, with no indication of packets rejected by the firewall (and the firewall logs most rejected packets). I compared the tcpdump log of a successful Web surfing and a failed Web surfing, and saw nothing relevant. The MTU is set correctly (1500 in Ethernet interfaces, 1452 in pptp/ppp0). The HOWTO-ADSL-BEZEQ (Ver 2.2 Sep 2001) was RTFMed. >From Bezeq's side, the ADSL is correctly set up - a MS-Windows 2000 test machine connected to the ADSL modem (with our gateway + network disconnected) had no problems surfing the Internet. Does anyone have experience with configuration similar to ours, or has a clue where we should check further? Will we need to have another --quirks option, for BEZEQ_ISRAEL_ALCATEL? --- Omer There is no IGLU Cabal. There is a huge Israeli conspiracy to drown the Cabal members with trivia having to do with quirks of connecting to broadband Internet in Israel. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Browser pool
Hi all. I'm making a short pool regarding browsers used among Linux people (a friend of mine build a web-site and he wants that anyone will be able to read it) All I ask you to do is to send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a word "pool" in the subject and the name of the browser in the body. If you use more than one browser, write them in order of significance from the most used to the less used (one in each line). If someone is interested, I can publish the results on this list. Thanks a lot = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alcatel ADSL modem, Linux and Bezeq ADSL
Hi Omer On Tuesday 20 November 2001 14:53, Omer Zak wrote: > The MTU is set correctly (1500 in Ethernet interfaces, 1452 in pptp/ppp0). Did you reduce the MTU to 1452 on the internal hosts too? the adsl howto explains how to do it in linux and windows. Can you surf to the problematic sites through the gateway? Sagi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
pool: refinment
sorry for not telling this in first place, but I'm interested in browsers used under Linux = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Browser pool
On Tue, Nov 20, 2001, b g wrote about "Browser pool": > Hi all. Browser pool? Ok. I'll put $10 on Mozilla. Oh, you meant a *poll*, right? :) > All I ask you to do is to send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a word > "pool" in the subject and the name of the browser in the body. If you use > more than one browser, write them in order of significance from the most used > to the less used (one in each line). I use Mozilla now, and only Mozilla. Konqueror is too buggy for my tastes (in its support of CSS and Hebrew), and Netscape 4 is a worthless antique (really crappy CSS support). Recent versions of IE do not exist for any OS that I use. But why are you doing a poll in a Linux mailing list? A much more reliable method would be to look for data on the web, or ask any website owner to let you take peak on their user-agent logs. -- Nadav Har'El| Tuesday, Nov 20 2001, 5 Kislev 5762 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |I'm a peripheral visionary: I see into http://nadav.harel.org.il |the future, but mostly off to the sides. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alcatel ADSL modem, Linux and Bezeq ADSL
Omer Zak wrote: > > We connected a LAN to the Internet via Alcatel's Speed Touch HOME ADSL > modem. This modem is an Ethernet modem, and works with a regular phone > line (i.e. not ISDN). > The gateway is Linux-based, and we use Mulix' patched pptp (with the > --quirks option). > > We use a Linux-based gateway/firewall (with kernel 2.2 and ipchains). > > The connection works - we can fetch and send E-mail, telnet, FTP and surf > to several Web sites. > > However: > 1. This works with and without the --quirks=BEZEQ_ISRAEL option. > 2. We can't surf to some Web sites both in Israel and abroad. Why are you allowing the users to get to the web directly? IMHO, you should be running a caching proxy on the gateway machine. It should point to your ISP's caching proxy. If you use SQUID instead of apache, some ISP's also run squid and can communicate on a proxy to proxy port which is much more efficent. While you are at it, install SOCKS on the gateway machine and that will eliminate 99% of your masqerading. I prefer an environment where there are (almost) no incoming connections allowed (DNS and mail?) and no outgoing connections except from the gateway machine. IP masqerading or NAT, was designed for the days of a kinder, gentler internet and should be used with extreme caution. Also I think that you should have the aDSL modem and the rest of the network on seperate physical interfaces. Geoff -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson Bloomberg L.P., BFM (Israel) 2 hours ahead of London, 7 hours ahead of New York. Tel: 972-(0)3-6944-211 Fax: 972-(0)3-6944-225 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alcatel ADSL modem, Linux and Bezeq ADSL
On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Sagi Bashari wrote: > Hi Omer > > On Tuesday 20 November 2001 14:53, Omer Zak wrote: > > The MTU is set correctly (1500 in Ethernet interfaces, 1452 in pptp/ppp0). > > Did you reduce the MTU to 1452 on the internal hosts too? the adsl howto > explains how to do it in linux and windows. > > Can you surf to the problematic sites through the gateway? if you can't, you might want to check if ecn is enabled on the linux router. some (misconfigured) firewalls block ecn. check /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn. if it exists, try echo "0" > tcp_ecn. btw, the --quirks patch has been accpeted to cvs pptp last night... -- mulix http://www.pointer.co.il/~mulix/ http://syscalltrack.sf.net/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PROBLEM SOLVED (was: Re: Alcatel ADSL modem, Linux and Bezeq ADSL)
Thanks for the work done by various members of the Linux-IL mailing list in the past and for the miniscule effort they put answering my question, the problem was solved. - - - - - - - - - - It was the tcpmss problem, which was discussed by Avishai (who referred me to past messages by him). Sagi Bashari pointed out this fact, too. - - - Tsafrir Cohen asked if this could be an ISP problem. No, it wasn't. We installed a sacrificial Windows 2000 installation, for testing the ADSL connection, and it worked flawlessly when the PC was connected directly to the ADSL modem (of course, the LAN was disconnected from this computer during the test, as no firewall was activated on this PC). - - - Since we use Linux 2.2.* kernel, we had to modify the MTU of machines in the network, and this meant fiddling with rc.local, MS-Windows NT registry and MS-Windows 2000 registry. Is there a way for lazy^h^h^h^hbusy sysadmins to fix it in the gateway machine using kernel 2.2.* and ipchains? - - - Mulix suggested that we check if ecn is enabled. At the moment, this is irrelevant as the setup is working. I congratulate him for having the --quirks patch accpeted to cvs pptp last night, even though it is neither necessary nor harmful in setups involving the Alcatel's Speed Touch HOME ADSL modem (an Ethernet modem, working with regular phone lines). - - - While he didn't actually offer a quick and immediate solution to the problem, Geoffrey S. Mendelson suggested some security enhancements, such as limiting Web access to a Web proxy server running on the gateway machine and using SOCKS. What is the opinion of other list members about those security provisions? Would you install such a setup in your home network? We do have two Ethernet cards in the gateway PC - one for communication with the ADSL modem, the other - for communicating with the rest of the computers. --- Omer There is no IGLU Cabal. Problems do get solved even without such a formal organization. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PROBLEM SOLVED (was: Re: Alcatel ADSL modem, Linux and BezeqADSL)
Hi all, It apears that the path MTU discovery sindrom is hiting badly lately. Although I have all the needed info to overcome it in the HOWTO people keep geting burnt. I will stress this point in the howto in hope that blackholing linux gateways will be a story of the past Dani On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Omer Zak wrote: > Thanks for the work done by various members of the Linux-IL mailing list > in the past and for the miniscule effort they put answering my question, > the problem was solved. > > - - - - - - - - - - > > It was the tcpmss problem, which was discussed by Avishai (who referred me > to past messages by him). > Sagi Bashari pointed out this fact, too. > > - - - > > Tsafrir Cohen asked if this could be an ISP problem. No, it wasn't. We > installed a sacrificial Windows 2000 installation, for testing the ADSL > connection, and it worked flawlessly when the PC was connected directly > to the ADSL modem (of course, the LAN was disconnected from this computer > during the test, as no firewall was activated on this PC). > > - - - > > Since we use Linux 2.2.* kernel, we had to modify the MTU of machines in > the network, and this meant fiddling with rc.local, MS-Windows NT registry > and MS-Windows 2000 registry. > > Is there a way for lazy^h^h^h^hbusy sysadmins to fix it in the gateway > machine using kernel 2.2.* and ipchains? > > - - - > > Mulix suggested that we check if ecn is enabled. At the moment, this is > irrelevant as the setup is working. > > I congratulate him for having the --quirks patch accpeted to cvs pptp last > night, even though it is neither necessary nor harmful in setups involving > the Alcatel's Speed Touch HOME ADSL modem (an Ethernet modem, working > with regular phone lines). > > - - - > > While he didn't actually offer a quick and immediate solution to the > problem, Geoffrey S. Mendelson suggested some security enhancements, such > as limiting Web access to a Web proxy server running on the gateway > machine and using SOCKS. What is the opinion of other list members about > those security provisions? Would you install such a setup in your home > network? > > We do have two Ethernet cards in the gateway PC - one for communication > with the ADSL modem, the other - for communicating with the rest of the > computers. > --- Omer > There is no IGLU Cabal. Problems do get solved even without such a formal > organization. > WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What Puts the Bloat in Mandrake 8.1
Hi all. I installed Mandrake 8.1 on my friend's computer which is a Pentium 200 MHz with 256 MB of RAM. I used Kernel 2.4.x, XFree86 4.1.0 and the rest of the default MDK configuration. We used Vanilla IceWM as the desktop. >From some reason, it ran very sluggishly. After we downgraded to RedHat 6.1, it ran perfectly fine, even with GNOME or KDE. So the question is: what caused the fact that the newer configuration ran more slowly than the older one, despite the fact that it used a much more lightweight desktop environment. Was it the new XFree86? The newer Kernel (2.4.x vs. 2.2.x)? Or what? Since the machine is not connected to the Internet, and my friend only uses it for a university course, which does not require all the software to be the most up-to-date, it is not critical that he will run the older distro. But, still I'd hate to think that Linux is becoming as bloated as Windows does. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Home E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If: 1. A is A 2. A is not not-A does it imply that 1. B is B 2. B is not not-B = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mount problems with kernel 2.4.X
Hi, There is a "mount" problem with kernel 2.4.X (2.4.2-2, 2.4.7,...2.4.18) When you try to mount a local or remote file system to a specific mount point, and you issue the same command several time, to the SAME mount point, you will not get an warning, that this mount point is already mounted. Instead, you'll get several duplicated entries in /proc/mounts and /etc/mtab. The "df" command will of course output the same multiple entries. One umount command removes ALL the entries from /etc/mtab when kernel 2.4 is tailored to RedHat 6.2, but you need the same number of umounts, as of the mounts done in RedHat 7.1 . Has somebody encountered such a problem ? How to resolve it ? In kernrels 2.2.X an ttempt to mount fails, with the expected message: mount: /filesystem already mounted or /mountpoint busy mount: according to mtab, /filesystem is already mounted on /mountpoint Thanks, Avi Koski
Re: What Puts the Bloat in Mandrake 8.1
On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > Hi all. > > I installed Mandrake 8.1 on my friend's computer which is a Pentium 200 > MHz with 256 MB of RAM. I used Kernel 2.4.x, XFree86 4.1.0 and the rest of > the default MDK configuration. We used Vanilla IceWM as the desktop. > > >From some reason, it ran very sluggishly. After we downgraded to RedHat > 6.1, it ran perfectly fine, even with GNOME or KDE. > > So the question is: what caused the fact that the newer configuration ran > more slowly than the older one, despite the fact that it used a much more > lightweight desktop environment. Was it the new XFree86? The newer Kernel > (2.4.x vs. 2.2.x)? Or what? If you suspect XFree: What display adapter? Generally XFree 4 is not more slugish. Have you checked for unnecessary servers? What were the main CPU and memory consumers? Did you check KDE programs? Keep in mind that a kde program (like konqueror) brings up all of the KDE "daemon processes" with it. Have you tried an icewm there that only uses solid backgrounds (and not gradients and bitmaps)? I'm not sure how much this has an effect with a P200. One thing that may make mandrake appear slugish sometimes is anacron: anacron runs the last cron.hourly, cron.daily, cron.weekly and cron.monthly cron jobs that were missed (because the system was not running, or not running linux) at a later time. "a later time" is sometime after the next time the computer boots. So the first time you run Mandrake in a day it may run some "heavy" cron jobs such as locate's updatedb (goes over the whole directory tree). Have you tried diposing of kdm and using a non-graphical login? I believe that this is a non-issue, but I keep seeing a "kdeapm" (or something similar) process taking ~80% CPU with priority 20 on a friend's machine with Mandrake 8.0, that loggs into icewm. > > Since the machine is not connected to the Internet, and my friend only > uses it for a university course, which does not require all the software > to be the most up-to-date, it is not critical that he will run the older > distro. But, still I'd hate to think that Linux is becoming as bloated as > Windows does. Still, a good C++ compiler may be relevant to your friend. I believe that recent linux distros have a better c++ compiler. Other than that, it is indeed not that important. BTW: Keep in mind that cygwin also includes gcc. -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Browser pool
On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Nadav Har'El wrote: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2001, b g wrote about "Browser pool": > > Hi all. > > Browser pool? Ok. I'll put $10 on Mozilla. > > Oh, you meant a *poll*, right? :) > > > All I ask you to do is to send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a word > > "pool" in the subjectand the name of the browser in the body. If you use > > more than one browser, write them in order of significance from the most used > > to the less used (one in each line). > > I use Mozilla now, and only Mozilla. Konqueror is too buggy for my tastes I guess you don't print much in any non latin langauge do you.. Ely = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What Puts the Bloat in Mandrake 8.1
On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > > > > Hi all. > > > > I installed Mandrake 8.1 on my friend's computer which is a Pentium 200 > > MHz with 256 MB of RAM. I used Kernel 2.4.x, XFree86 4.1.0 and the rest of > > the default MDK configuration. We used Vanilla IceWM as the desktop. > > > > >From some reason, it ran very sluggishly. After we downgraded to RedHat > > 6.1, it ran perfectly fine, even with GNOME or KDE. > > > > So the question is: what caused the fact that the newer configuration ran > > more slowly than the older one, despite the fact that it used a much more > > lightweight desktop environment. Was it the new XFree86? The newer Kernel > > (2.4.x vs. 2.2.x)? Or what? > > If you suspect XFree: What display adapter? > > Generally XFree 4 is not more slugish. > He has an ATI Mach64-based video card. > Have you checked for unnecessary servers? What were the main CPU and > memory consumers? > I don't know. > Did you check KDE programs? Keep in mind that a kde program (like > konqueror) brings up all of the KDE "daemon processes" with it. > We did not use KDE. We used Vanilla IceWM. No KDE, no GNOME, no batikh - just IceWM. > Have you tried an icewm there that only uses solid backgrounds (and not > gradients and bitmaps)? I'm not sure how much this has an effect with a > P200. > We used a solid background. > One thing that may make mandrake appear slugish sometimes is anacron: > > anacron runs the last cron.hourly, cron.daily, cron.weekly and > cron.monthly cron jobs that were missed (because the system was not > running, or not running linux) at a later time. "a later time" is sometime > after the next time the computer boots. > > So the first time you run Mandrake in a day it may run some "heavy" cron > jobs such as locate's updatedb (goes over the whole directory tree). > I don't think anacron was running. But who knows. > Have you tried diposing of kdm and using a non-graphical login? > I believe that this is a non-issue, but I keep seeing a "kdeapm" (or > something similar) process taking ~80% CPU with priority 20 on a friend's > machine with Mandrake 8.0, that loggs into icewm. > We started X from the command line using startx. > > > > Since the machine is not connected to the Internet, and my friend only > > uses it for a university course, which does not require all the software > > to be the most up-to-date, it is not critical that he will run the older > > distro. But, still I'd hate to think that Linux is becoming as bloated as > > Windows does. > > Still, a good C++ compiler may be relevant to your friend. I believe that > recent linux distros have a better c++ compiler. Other than that, it is > indeed not that important. > > BTW: Keep in mind that cygwin also includes gcc. > > -- > Tzafrir Cohen > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir > -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Home E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If: 1. A is A 2. A is not not-A does it imply that 1. B is B 2. B is not not-B = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Browser pool
On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Ely Levy wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Nadav Har'El wrote: > > > I use Mozilla now, and only Mozilla. Konqueror is too buggy for my tastes > > I guess you don't print much in any non latin langauge do you.. Is there any way of modifying the postscript that mozilla creates to make it proper hebrew postscript? Add a hebrew font or something? -- Tzafrir Cohen/"\ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]\ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Taub 229, 04-829-3942 X Against HTML Mail http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir / \ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Browser pool
maybe there is a function there that makes every unicode thing into a squre unless its latin1 the function is called unicode_show or something like that I'm not even sure the ps contains the chars.. Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Ely Levy wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Nadav Har'El wrote: > > > > > > I use Mozilla now, and only Mozilla. Konqueror is too buggy for my tastes > > > > I guess you don't print much in any non latin langauge do you.. > > Is there any way of modifying the postscript that mozilla creates to make > it proper hebrew postscript? Add a hebrew font or something? > > -- > Tzafrir Cohen /"\ > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign > Taub 229, 04-829-3942 X Against HTML Mail > http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir / \ > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OFF TOPIC] https with Perl
Hi List (excluding three of you whom I already asked personally). I would like to mechanize my accesss to the internet site of my bank, using a Perl script. It took me a while, but I finally got the perl modules that are required to do https. If I'm not mistake these are Crypt-SSLeay IO-Socket-SSL and Net_SSLeay. For sites that require no identification, this is enough. But for places (like my bank) where I have to authenticate myself, I get all kinds of error messages (see below). Does anyone know how I should introduce myslef to the server in https using Perl? A pointer to a working example would be great, and so would an RTFM. Dan. Error message from one site: HTTP/1.1 401 (Unauthorized) Authorization Required Connection: close Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:47:11 GMT Server: Apache/1.3.14 Ben-SSL/1.42 (Unix) PHP/4.0.3pl1 WWW-Authenticate: xxx Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Client-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:48:33 GMT Client-Peer: 134.58.189.79:443 Client-SSL-Cert-Issuer: xxx Client-SSL-Cert-Subject: xxx Client-SSL-Cipher: DES-CBC3-SHA Client-SSL-Warning: Peer certificate not verified Title: 401 Authorization Required 401 Authorization Required Authorization Required This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), or your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required. Apache/1.3.14 Ben-SSL/1.42 Server at mailto:xxx = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mount problems with kernel 2.4.X
i've tried to do what you said: it's Linux 2.4.9 and reserfs. undercat# mount --verbose /tmp mount: /dev/hda8 already mounted or /tmp busy mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda8 is already mounted on /tmp it is your particular kernel and/or filesystem and/or mount utility that is failing Max. -=O0~~O0=- "Beware the Jabberwock, my son! The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun The frumious Bandersnatch!" [L.Carrol "Jabberwacky"] On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > There is a "mount" problem with kernel 2.4.X (2.4.2-2, 2.4.7,...2.4.18) > > When you try to mount a local or remote file system to a specific mount point, > and you issue the same command several time, to the SAME mount point, > you will not get an warning, that this mount point is already mounted. > > Instead, you'll get several duplicated entries in /proc/mounts and /etc/mtab. > The "df" command will of course output the same multiple entries. > > One umount command removes ALL the entries from /etc/mtab when kernel 2.4 > is tailored to RedHat 6.2, but you need the same number of umounts, as of the > mounts done in RedHat 7.1 . > > Has somebody encountered such a problem ? How to resolve it ? > > In kernrels 2.2.X an ttempt to mount fails, with the expected message: > > mount: /filesystem already mounted or /mountpoint busy > mount: according to mtab, /filesystem is already mounted on /mountpoint > > Thanks, > > Avi Koski > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mount problems with kernel 2.4.X
On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > There is a "mount" problem with kernel 2.4.X (2.4.2-2, 2.4.7,...2.4.18) 2.4.18? that's quite futuristic - isn't it? you mean 2.4.14? > When you try to mount a local or remote file system to a specific mount point, > and you issue the same command several time, to the SAME mount point, > you will not get an warning, that this mount point is already mounted. > > Instead, you'll get several duplicated entries in /proc/mounts and /etc/mtab. > The "df" command will of course output the same multiple entries. > > One umount command removes ALL the entries from /etc/mtab when kernel 2.4 > is tailored to RedHat 6.2, but you need the same number of umounts, as of the > mounts done in RedHat 7.1 . at least with redhat 6.2, you need to upgrade mount's RPM to a newer version , in order for it to work with 2.4 kernels. check in the kernel's Documentation/Changes for the exact version of mount required. not sure about 7.1, but the same issue _could_ apply there. btw, don't upgrade mount alone - upgrade any package mentioned in that Changes file. you'll find it in the kernel's source tree. -- guy "For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mount problems with kernel 2.4.X
On Tue, Nov 20, 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about "mount problems with kernel 2.4.X": > Hi, > > There is a "mount" problem with kernel 2.4.X (2.4.2-2, 2.4.7,...2.4.18) > > When you try to mount a local or remote file system to a specific mount point, > and you issue the same command several time, to the SAME mount point, > you will not get an warning, that this mount point is already mounted. If I remember correctly, this is one of the most frequently asked question on the linux-kernel mailing list (I don't have a reference, so you might want to search the web). In short, they claim "it's a feature, not a bug". I don't remember the whole explanation, but I think that idea is that this kernel added the ability to mount the same filesystem several times (which at times is very convenient), and with that came the weird possibility to mount it several times in the same mountpoint, and they never bothered to check for this cae because it doesn't do any harm. I'm not sure, however, why they allowed several filesystems (even if its the same one) to be mounted on the same mountpoint. What can *that* be good for? -- Nadav Har'El| Tuesday, Nov 20 2001, 6 Kislev 5762 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |This message contains 100% recycled http://nadav.harel.org.il |characters. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Browser pool
You can start by having a look in http://www.browser.org/ Amir. On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, b g wrote: > Hi all. > I'm making a short pool regarding browsers used among Linux people > (a friend of mine build a web-site and he wants that anyone will be able to > read it) > All I ask you to do is to send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a word > "pool" in the subject and the name of the browser in the body. If you use > more than one browser, write them in order of significance from the most used > to the less used (one in each line). > If someone is interested, I can publish the results on this list. > > Thanks a lot > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
text from power-point files
Hi I want to use a text from an existing power-point 97 presentation in a latex document. Is there any linux software except star/openoffice that can read powerpoint files? I tried reading the file with kpresent, got some error messages, and a google search gave me a reply that said: "don't bother using this import filter with this document. I also tried the obvious 'strings'. But different bits of text were spread all over the docuemnt. An RTF export of the presentation contains many text parts that are in seperate textboxes and thus don't appear in the outline. I'm intetrested in the text of the presentation, but layed-out in a resonable manner. E.g.: seperated to slides. Any ideas, or maybe I should simply manually copy&paste the whole thing to a text document? -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Alcatel ADSL modem, Linux and Bezeq ADSL
Omer, On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > Omer Zak wrote: > > > > We connected a LAN to the Internet via Alcatel's Speed Touch HOME ADSL > > modem. This modem is an Ethernet modem, and works with a regular phone > > line (i.e. not ISDN). > > The gateway is Linux-based, and we use Mulix' patched pptp (with the > > --quirks option). > > > > We use a Linux-based gateway/firewall (with kernel 2.2 and ipchains). > > > > The connection works - we can fetch and send E-mail, telnet, FTP and surf > > to several Web sites. > > > > However: > > 1. This works with and without the --quirks=BEZEQ_ISRAEL option. > > 2. We can't surf to some Web sites both in Israel and abroad. > > > Why are you allowing the users to get to the web directly? > > IMHO, you should be running a caching proxy on the gateway machine. It > should point to your ISP's caching proxy. This is a good thing to do. (and this is what I do at home) > > If you use SQUID instead of apache, some ISP's also run squid and can > communicate on a proxy to proxy port which is much more efficent. > > While you are at it, install SOCKS on the gateway machine and that > will eliminate 99% of your masqerading. > > I prefer an environment where there are (almost) no incoming connections > allowed (DNS and mail?) and no outgoing connections except from the > gateway machine. IP masqerading or NAT, was designed for the days of > a kinder, gentler internet and should be used with extreme caution. > > Also I think that you should have the aDSL modem and the rest of the > network on seperate physical interfaces. I do not realy see what benefit you get from SOCKS . I believe switching from ipchains to iptables is much more important. Also running on one ethernet (with good firewalling) is ok. Your real concern would be pc trojans (subseven etc). use antivirus on the pc's. > > Geoff > > -- > Geoffrey S. Mendelson > Bloomberg L.P., BFM (Israel) 2 hours ahead of London, 7 hours ahead of New York. > Tel: 972-(0)3-6944-211 Fax: 972-(0)3-6944-225 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Dani = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Alcatel ADSL modem, Linux and Bezeq ADSL
> > Also I think that you should have the aDSL modem and the rest of the > > network on seperate physical interfaces. > > I do not realy see what benefit you get from SOCKS . I > believe switching > from ipchains to iptables is much more important. Also running on one > ethernet (with good firewalling) is ok. > Your real concern would be pc trojans (subseven etc). use > antivirus on the > pc's. > While you're correct that PC Trojans is more a threat then somebody hacking into ADSL modem, the later is still a possibility. If I remember correctly, there were remote exploits to Alcatel ADSL modems, and if the modem is connected directly to your internal LAN, you are in trouble. If the modem is on separate physical interface, and access from/to it is restricted via firewall rules, maximum you loose your internet connectivity when your modem is hacked into. This brings another question: are Alcatel ADSL modems used by Bezeq vulnerable to this exploit, and if they are, is there any patch or updated firmware which can be applied to fix it? I'm using Alcatel modem myself now, but was unable to find any relevant data on the net. Greetings, Haim Gelfenbeyn. > > > > Geoff > > > > -- > > Geoffrey S. Mendelson > > Bloomberg L.P., BFM (Israel) 2 hours ahead of London, 7 > hours ahead of New York. > > Tel: 972-(0)3-6944-211 Fax: 972-(0)3-6944-225 Email: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Dani > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Caching Web Proxy (was: Re: Alcatel ADSL modem, Linux and Bezeq ADSL)
Geoff and Dani both say that a caching proxy is a Good Thing (TM). I'd like to know if and how it improves network security (besides the issue of reducing traffic to the ISP if more than one person at our LAN surf to the same Web pages). On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Dani Arbel wrote: > Omer, > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > > > Omer Zak wrote: > > > > > > We connected a LAN to the Internet via Alcatel's Speed Touch HOME ADSL > > > modem. This modem is an Ethernet modem, and works with a regular phone > > > line (i.e. not ISDN). > > > The gateway is Linux-based, and we use Mulix' patched pptp (with the > > > --quirks option). > > > > > > We use a Linux-based gateway/firewall (with kernel 2.2 and ipchains). > > > > > > The connection works - we can fetch and send E-mail, telnet, FTP and surf > > > to several Web sites. > > > > > > However: > > > 1. This works with and without the --quirks=BEZEQ_ISRAEL option. > > > 2. We can't surf to some Web sites both in Israel and abroad. > > > > > > Why are you allowing the users to get to the web directly? > > > > IMHO, you should be running a caching proxy on the gateway machine. It > > should point to your ISP's caching proxy. > > This is a good thing to do. (and this is what I do at home) --- Omer There is no IGLU Cabal. One will be founded at time t = TODAY + T1r + iT1i. A cache of information, advice and tips will be founded at time t = TODAY + T2r + iT2i (where T1r, T1i, T2r and T2i are expressed in time units and where i^2 = -1). WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mandrake's rpmdrake
rpmdrake is the drak tool that serves as an interface for package management through urpmi. You can generally do most of the things from the command-line using urpm* commands, but (1) this is not easy (it seems that those programs weren't meant for mere mortals to work with) and (2) The one thing you cannotdo is the equivalent of 'apt-get upgrade': a command to update your system from the mirrors. urpmi keeps a cache of downloaded packages at /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/ . One problem I encountered was that (because it somehow had a problem with my proxy settings: a seperate bug) it has created zero-sized files there, and later installation of files failed. This is probably one thing to check if you try to download a package and immedietly get an error that it can't be installed. Generally the files in this directory a deletable (at least when rpmdrake is not actively downloading/installing) I also found it quite useful to look at the output it spits to it standard output. If you suspect problems with rpmdrake then the first debugging step is to look at this output. This is easy if you run it from a terminal window. Otherwise you can probably have a look at /proc//fd/[12] . -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Caching Web Proxy (was: Re: Alcatel ADSL modem, Linux and BezeqADSL)
On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Omer Zak wrote: > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Dani Arbel wrote: > > > Omer, > > > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > > > Why are you allowing the users to get to the web directly? > > > > > > IMHO, you should be running a caching proxy on the gateway machine. It > > > should point to your ISP's caching proxy. > > > > This is a good thing to do. (and this is what I do at home) > Geoff and Dani both say that a caching proxy is a Good Thing (TM). > I'd like to know if and how it improves network security (besides the > issue of reducing traffic to the ISP if more than one person at our > LAN surf to the same Web pages). And a slightly different question: How much content is indeed cahcable? Many web pages (usually the larger ones) specifically ask the client not to cache. Also, there are still certain sites that it breaks (I remember one occasion with yahoo mail and internet explorer, but I don't remember the exact details). This is why I don't like things like a transparent proxy. (and users natually suspect the proxy server, as it gives them error messageswhenever there is a problem, and they blame the messanger) -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
