Re: Linux distro for new user with Hebrew support and open office
On Sun, Nov 06, 2005 at 12:09:44PM +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: On Sunday, 6 בNovember 2005 09:32, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Sun, Nov 06, 2005 at 08:05:03AM +0200, Aaron wrote: would I gain something from ubuntu? I'd like to amplify Marc's answer. Ubuntu is sort of the Windows of Linux. I assume most people on this list have installed Windows at one time or another and are familar with its instalation. You boot from a CD, put in a magic number answer a few questions and an hour later you have a working system without a clue of how it got there. Something which will be new and surprising only to Debian users. I'd like to gently point out that the Debian installer (used from sarge (3.1) on) works in much the same way, except for the magic number. After all, the installer Ubuntu uses is ... the Debian installer, barely customised. Unless you switch it in expert mode, here's how it goes as far as I remember: - Boot on CD. Says Press Enter to continue or F1 for help on other options. You press enter. - Asks you what language you want the installation to proceed in (Hebrew is in the list, but I dunno if everything is translated). - Asks you in what country (or other region / territory of special interest) you are, showing you only countries in which the chosen language is spoken and an entry other to get the full list. - Asks you whether it can take your whole disk, erase what may be on it and continue automatically. Let's suppose you say yes. - It gives you a few checkboxes to check or not, like Desktop system, Printing Server, File Server, Web Server, Laptop, ... - It asks you a few more questions like the full name / login / password for a non-root user, the root password, ... I'm not saying Ubuntu isn't a nice distro, but it is a far cry from ground-breaking or anything. I personally have tried a previous version (05.something) and didn't much like it - I think they make the classic GNOME mistake of hiding important and useful end-user (i.e. not power-user) features - to the point where its impossible to find w/o going to the mailing lists and messing around with registry-style configurations programs and/or editing text files - and then calling it usability improvements. They inherit these bugs from Gnome 2. That being said, as for GNOME, people who only want the very narrow feature set that Ubuntu provides (only GNOME for example ;-) ) will find it an enjoyable experience. (Note that while KDE is not on the CD, I'm fairly sure it is on the on-line repository of additional packages.) Kubuntu OTOH (which I haven't tried) should be nice if you want a simple Debian based distro for a powerful Linux desktop. KDE is IMHO inappropriate for the title of good desktop for Unixy OS for another set of reasons; the worst is that they refuse to integrate with the rest of the Unixy OS; for example, in matters around internationalisation, which leads - far too often - for people to have a desktop in mixed languages, where KDE apps speak one language and non-KDE apps another. I consider this a critical bug. -- Lionel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Conundrum: weird load average
On Sun, Nov 06, 2005 at 01:05:39PM +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: Another weird thing is that a quick calculation would have the VIRT usage of the system very close to the total memory available (1GB physical + 1GB swap), yet the top output above shows more then half of memory to be available(!). VIRT usage is the total of things mapped into a process's addressing space. So it includes mmaped files, video card RAM (for the X server), shared memory (mapped several times, but allocated only once), ... It doesn't have much to do with physical (or even virtual) RAM consumption. -- Lionel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers
Check: http://www.petitiononline.com/nvfoss/petition.html for a petition I set up for Nvidia to release open-source drivers. Please sign it, and help spread the word. Regards, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ 95% of the programmers consider 95% of the code they did not write, in the bottom 5%. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers
nVidia already contributes to the open source nv driver. A couple of months ago I spoke to the lead nVidia Linux driver developer about opening their driver, and he claims that even if nVidia wanted to, it is bound by a number of NDAs that prevents it from releasing a full open source driver. With a little bit of luck, the FOSS community may persuade nVidia to release bigger chunks of their driver. (Currently only a small part of the drivers, the kernel glue is semi-open and can be modified) Gilboa On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 11:49 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: Check: http://www.petitiononline.com/nvfoss/petition.html for a petition I set up for Nvidia to release open-source drivers. Please sign it, and help spread the word. Regards, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ 95% of the programmers consider 95% of the code they did not write, in the bottom 5%. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers
On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 12:19:46PM +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: With a little bit of luck, the FOSS community may persuade nVidia to release bigger chunks of their driver. (Currently only a small part of the drivers, the kernel glue is semi-open and can be modified) Not intending to start a flame war, but mostly open is like mostly dead or mostly pregnant, just not good enough. It's either open or it isn't, and if it isn't, it's not interesting. RMS-ly yours, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers
On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 11:49:51AM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: Check: http://www.petitiononline.com/nvfoss/petition.html for a petition I set up for Nvidia to release open-source drivers. Please sign it, and help spread the word. How many people read it and commented before spreading it? My own quick comments: 1. I wouldn't use the verb request. Maybe ask or something softer. They do not owe you anything. Also no as soon as possible. 2. Not X-Window. The X manpage specifically asks that you call it either X or X Window System (and some other versions). 3. I wouldn't use this petition to laugh at Windows. 4. I am not sure I would give them business suggestions about how to solve their IP problems. There are also other options - e.g. to ask that they release only the parts they own, at least for a start. 5. There is no need to mention you intend to reverse-engineer it, IMHO. This isn't a threat, but a petition. -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pppd and EMC clariion cx300
Hi Edward, The connection speed is 115200. I use a standard serial cable (which works perfectly when I use windows to the clariion). I tried many commands according to the various PPP howtos/faqs. Basically what I tried to run is something like: pppd -detach crtscts lock defaultroute /dev/tts/USB0 115200 It wait for some time and then it failed while I could see in the log that it didn't receive an LCP configuration packet. 10x, Noam On 11/7/05, Edward Broustinov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check the connection speed, should be 115200. If that's ok, then describe me your steps exactly --- Noam Meltzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was wondering if any of you had any experience with connecting to the EMC clariion cx300 using a serial cable and pppd. Basically the clariion runs some kind of embedded windows and runs a PPP server on the serial ports. I was trying very hard to connect using pppd but with no success. I would be glad if there is anyone here who can enlighten me on this. Thanks, Noam To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] editaste, a social bookmarking site: Call for editors
Hello all, Imagine that you have a site, which you enter, and immediately get of links to the latest *interesting* threads in some high-volume newsgroup, a *relevant* security alert, some *funny* cartoons and a really *nice* blog entry. That's what editaste tries to create. Impossible, you say? Interesting, relevant, funny and nice are personal matter of taste? You can't make one list fitting all? Well, that's the point. Social bookmarking can be seen as the distributed parallel for a web directory: Everyone can submit a link, which appears immediately, this way or another, on some web site. In some sense, you can consider Slashdot as a social bookmarking site as well. People say I just came across this and someone else decides if it's actually worth publishing. There are several social bookmarking sites on the web, all suffering (IMHO) from one central problem: Once they become popular, they are either moderated by some authority, or getting too crowded. In the case of moderation, we have someone deciding for everyone what to read. Some other sites depend on votes. But if 1000 voters thought something is nice, will I like it? The idea behind editaste ( http://editaste.com ), is to let everyone be moderators, or editors. Each editor has one or more links collections, which are actually the links he or she has *viewed and considered worthy*, with his or her grades. As a reader, you pick what collection you want to cover. The trick is to find a collection which matches your taste. An example collection (the links' quality is not the point here) can be seen at: http://editaste.com/cgi-bin/do?q=collectionchid=2 . This is editor Examplorina collecting links under subcategory Example category-Images. That doesn't take us to my initial promise: Just enter the site, and get a variety of things you like. Well, to reach that, you'll need to register, and set up a constant coverage of those collections you like. That brings you one single page with goodies. And if you've done that, you're quite close to become an editor yourself. Editing means to grade the sites you view. A lot of emphasis has been put on making this task as hassle-free as possible. And yes, the links have to come from somewhere in the first place. That's yet another privilege of editors. So this it the idea, more or less. The site was set up very recently, so there's no content right now. Which is why I turn to the least computer-challenged group I know, and also a group which I consider to be open to new ideas. Besides, there are quite some experts reading this list, whose picks from the webs are really interesting. When it comes to security alerts, for example, I believe that some members of this list would be very glad to frequently get updated by some other distinguished members, according to what they find important... Not to mention Linux events, kernel issues, legal wars, flaming for fun, you name it. It's all a question of what your poison is, and finding a good supplier. Bottom line: The site needs some first editors to bootstrap. Anyone? And if you don't know where to put your first collection, allow me to suggest: Miscellaneous - Personal picks... And I'll take this opportunity to thank Guy Keren for his contribution during the early stages of development. (he should not be held responsible for the result, though ;) Regards, Eli -- Web: http://www.billauer.co.il = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers
I understand your point. But as it stands, I rather have half open driver that works and gives me Windows-like OpenGL performance then have a fully-open driver that doesn't support acceleration (nv) or worse, nothing at all. Gilboa On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 12:40 +0200, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 12:19:46PM +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: With a little bit of luck, the FOSS community may persuade nVidia to release bigger chunks of their driver. (Currently only a small part of the drivers, the kernel glue is semi-open and can be modified) Not intending to start a flame war, but mostly open is like mostly dead or mostly pregnant, just not good enough. It's either open or it isn't, and if it isn't, it's not interesting. RMS-ly yours, Muli = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers
On ב', 2005-11-07 at 11:49 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: Check: http://www.petitiononline.com/nvfoss/petition.html for a petition I set up for Nvidia to release open-source drivers. Please sign it, and help spread the word. This puts it better than plain words: http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20020722l.gif Do you really think Nvidia's management is oblivious to the fact some people want their drivers open sourced? Filling out yet another petition about it is as meaningful as filling out a quiz in a teenage mag. If this issue is really dear to your heart, stop placing your bets on some bounty that'll somehow heap up and deliver an open source driver to your door, get out that IDA (or your inferior free disassembler :) and start disassembling[1] and writing specs. BTW, when speaking of drivers, do remember that lack of specs is just part of the story. Drivers are tricky to get right and often, with all-perfect conditions, the thing that's holding back a free driver is lack of qualified manpower. [1] IANAL; read the EULA = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers
On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 01:20:56PM +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: I understand your point. But as it stands, I rather have half open driver that works and gives me Windows-like OpenGL performance then have a fully-open driver that doesn't support acceleration (nv) or worse, nothing at all. That is your prerogative. Just please don't post any bug reports to the kernel mailing list when your nvidia driver breaks and/or breaks some other unrelated part of the kernel. Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Microsoft says Linux is cutting edge
http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id%3B754084996%3Bfp%3B2%3Bfpid%3B1 quote Sunjeev Pandey, senior director of Microsoft IT, said the company is pleased to be partnering with Aruba in the upgrade of Microsoft's next-generation wireless LAN. This partnership will allow Microsoft to leverage a cutting-edge wireless and mobility platform that provides us the scalability, performance and security that our environment demands, Pandey said. /quote (Aruba provides Linux-based wireless access points to be used in MS offices throughout the world). -- We wanted proper outback: a place where men were men and sheep were nervous. - Bill Bryson, Down Under To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers
On Monday 07 November 2005 12:40, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 12:19:46PM +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: With a little bit of luck, the FOSS community may persuade nVidia to release bigger chunks of their driver. (Currently only a small part of the drivers, the kernel glue is semi-open and can be modified) Not intending to start a flame war, but mostly open is like mostly dead or mostly pregnant, just not good enough. It's either open or it isn't, and if it isn't, it's not interesting. I second that opinion. Hear, hear. Regards, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ 95% of the programmers consider 95% of the code they did not write, in the bottom 5%. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers
Before we go into an all out war, may I suggest what I suggested to the said nVidia dev? Open -all- the generic code (AKA kernel interfaces, etc) creating a fully open driver and push all the NDA'ed stuff into a closed source pluggable module. (Which they already have - the nVidia libGL library) If you do it right, people will have the choice of using the same open source driver: Either when combined with MesaGL (fully open source) or when combined with nVidia GL (semi-closed source). Side note: Considering the fact that nVidia has full Linux i386, x86-64, BSD i386 (x86-64 once it matures) and OpenSolaris support, the FOSS community should consider finding means of communicating and/or cooperating with nVidia instead of repeating that old We are saints, so screw you all act. Gilboa On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 13:33 +0200, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 01:20:56PM +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: I understand your point. But as it stands, I rather have half open driver that works and gives me Windows-like OpenGL performance then have a fully-open driver that doesn't support acceleration (nv) or worse, nothing at all. That is your prerogative. Just please don't post any bug reports to the kernel mailing list when your nvidia driver breaks and/or breaks some other unrelated part of the kernel. Cheers, Muli = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers
On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 02:52:43PM +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: Before we go into an all out war, may I suggest what I suggested to the said nVidia dev? Open -all- the generic code (AKA kernel interfaces, etc) creating a fully open driver and push all the NDA'ed stuff into a closed source pluggable module. (Which they already have - the nVidia libGL library) If you do it right, people will have the choice of using the same open source driver: Either when combined with MesaGL (fully open source) or when combined with nVidia GL (semi-closed source). Sounds like a step in the right direction, if the open source driver indeed does not require the closed source part for functioning. This is probably a good time to mention that a large number of the kernel devlopers consider *any kind of binary-only module* infringing on their rights and not allowed under the GPL. Side note: Considering the fact that nVidia has full Linux i386, x86-64, BSD i386 (x86-64 once it matures) and OpenSolaris support, the FOSS community should consider finding means of communicating and/or cooperating with nVidia instead of repeating that old We are saints, so screw you all act. I'm all for cooperation. Almost as much as I'm against closed source drivers. Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers
On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 15:12 +0200, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 02:52:43PM +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: Before we go into an all out war, may I suggest what I suggested to the said nVidia dev? Open -all- the generic code (AKA kernel interfaces, etc) creating a fully open driver and push all the NDA'ed stuff into a closed source pluggable module. (Which they already have - the nVidia libGL library) If you do it right, people will have the choice of using the same open source driver: Either when combined with MesaGL (fully open source) or when combined with nVidia GL (semi-closed source). Sounds like a step in the right direction, if the open source driver indeed does not require the closed source part for functioning. This is probably a good time to mention that a large number of the kernel devlopers consider *any kind of binary-only module* infringing on their rights and not allowed under the GPL. To be honest, I don't like fanatics of all kinds and colors. They tend to view their cause as absolute and blow things up. Taking Robin Williams' words in Good Morning Vietnam: Some people in the FOSS community are in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history In short, in my view, hopefully someone, somehow will find a way in- between * without starting yet another holly war (against nVidia) which we have no hope to win. (It's much easier for them to stop supporting Linux/BSD completely) * A way that will enable me to play Doom3 and Quake4 on my Opteron box :) Side note: Considering the fact that nVidia has full Linux i386, x86-64, BSD i386 (x86-64 once it matures) and OpenSolaris support, the FOSS community should consider finding means of communicating and/or cooperating with nVidia instead of repeating that old We are saints, so screw you all act. I'm all for cooperation. Almost as much as I'm against closed source drivers. Simple: Don't buy nVidia. The ATI r300 family of GPUs (Radeon 7xxx/8xxx and maybe 9) is known work nicely with the open source driver. Linux/BSD is all about choice, isn't it? Cheers, Muli Gilboa = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers
On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 04:07:13PM +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: In short, in my view, hopefully someone, somehow will find a way in- between * without starting yet another holly war (against nVidia) which we have no hope to win. (It's much easier for them to stop supporting Linux/BSD completely) * A way that will enable me to play Doom3 and Quake4 on my Opteron box :) How about cards that are 4 years old? Anybody provides drivers for kernel 2.6 for them? Or kernel 2.2 drivers for the newer ones? -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | | a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | best ICQ# 16849755 | | friend = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers
I'm not saying that nVidia is perfect. Far from it. I am saying that we should try to get the get a better closed source driver with a bigger open source glue, so you can use attach the GF256 capable 4 year old driver working with a newer kernel, simply by modifying the open-source part of the driver. Gilboa On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 16:30 +0200, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 04:07:13PM +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: In short, in my view, hopefully someone, somehow will find a way in- between * without starting yet another holly war (against nVidia) which we have no hope to win. (It's much easier for them to stop supporting Linux/BSD completely) * A way that will enable me to play Doom3 and Quake4 on my Opteron box :) How about cards that are 4 years old? Anybody provides drivers for kernel 2.6 for them? Or kernel 2.2 drivers for the newer ones? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers
On Monday 07 November 2005 12:38, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 11:49:51AM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: Check: http://www.petitiononline.com/nvfoss/petition.html for a petition I set up for Nvidia to release open-source drivers. Please sign it, and help spread the word. How many people read it and commented before spreading it? I discussed it with some people on the IRC. My own quick comments: 1. I wouldn't use the verb request. Maybe ask or something softer. They do not owe you anything. Also no as soon as possible. request is perfectly acceptable. It is not demand, which was my original phrasing. They do owe me a solid driver for my OS of choice for the card I paid for with good money. And yes - as soon as possible. 2. Not X-Window. The X manpage specifically asks that you call it either X or X Window System (and some other versions). Everyone understands what X-Window is. 3. I wouldn't use this petition to laugh at Windows. Whatever. 4. I am not sure I would give them business suggestions about how to solve their IP problems. There are also other options - e.g. to ask that they release only the parts they own, at least for a start. Whatever. 5. There is no need to mention you intend to reverse-engineer it, IMHO. This isn't a threat, but a petition. Well, it is a petition accompanied by an ultimatum. And no, I cannot change the text of the petition after posting it. Regards, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ 95% of the programmers consider 95% of the code they did not write, in the bottom 5%. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Petitition for Nvidia to Release Open-Source Drivers
On Monday 07 November 2005 13:18, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: On ב', 2005-11-07 at 11:49 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: Check: http://www.petitiononline.com/nvfoss/petition.html for a petition I set up for Nvidia to release open-source drivers. Please sign it, and help spread the word. This puts it better than plain words: http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20020722l.gif Nice, but I don't see the connection here. Do you really think Nvidia's management is oblivious to the fact some people want their drivers open sourced? Filling out yet another petition about it is as meaningful as filling out a quiz in a teenage mag. Wrong. I want to warn them right before I set out to reverse engineer the driver and prepare a FOSS one. So, they won't say they didn't have a chance. If this issue is really dear to your heart, stop placing your bets on some bounty that'll somehow heap up and deliver an open source driver to your door, get out that IDA (or your inferior free disassembler :) and start disassembling[1] and writing specs. That's what I intend to do eventually. But I'm also going to collect a bounty so other people will be motivated to help me. BTW, when speaking of drivers, do remember that lack of specs is just part of the story. Drivers are tricky to get right and often, with all-perfect conditions, the thing that's holding back a free driver is lack of qualified manpower. OK. [1] IANAL; read the EULA The EULA probably says it is wrong to reverse engineer the driver. But who cares? It's perfectly ethical to do so. There is such thing as reverse engineering for compatibility. And let nvidia try to sue me. I laugh in the face of danger. Regards, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ 95% of the programmers consider 95% of the code they did not write, in the bottom 5%. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux distro for new user with Hebrew support and open office
On Monday 07 November 2005 10:46, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: KDE is IMHO inappropriate for the title of good desktop for Unixy OS for another set of reasons; the worst is that they refuse to integrate with the rest of the Unixy OS; for example, in matters around internationalisation, which leads - far too often - for people to have a desktop in mixed languages, where KDE apps speak one language and non-KDE apps another. I consider this a critical bug. I'm not sure what makes you say that - KDE obeys .i18n like any other well behaving application: if you have the required i18n package installed (compare locales-xx with kde-i18n-xx on most distros), then when the desktop loads for the first time it will automatically select the correct language settings. The user can of course then customize it to their liking. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
errors reading CD image on DVD burner
Hi, My setup: Debian Sarge on AMD Athlon (32bit). DVD burner: LG GSA-4163B CD Burner: LG GCE-8520B I use KDE and K3B to manage the burners. In order to verify that the copying is correct, I did it in multiple steps - 1. create an image on the disk. 2. mount image and cd, run diff -r 3. umount image and cd 4. burn image to a new cd When I read the original on the DVD, stage (2) *invariably* detected differences, not just between the image file and the original media but also between two image files read from the same media twice. Moving the original to the CD burner solved the problem - the diff passed cleanly and so did the comparison after burning the image on a new media. Does this mean that my DVD burner is bad and I should replace it or should have I used some option to make it work? I use K3b's normal copy. I didn't quite understand what's clone copy, I guess it copies the media at the bit level without caring about its format. Here is the output from K3b's: Devices --- HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B A104 (/dev/hdd, ) at /media/cdrom1 [CD-R; CD-RW; CD-ROM; DVD-ROM; DVD-RAM; DVD-R; DVD-RW; DVD+R; DVD+RW] [DVD-ROM; DVD-R Sequential; DVD-RAM; DVD-RW Restricted Overwrite; DVD-RW Sequential; DVD+RW; DVD+R; DVD+R Double Layer; CD-ROM; CD-R; CD-RW] [SAO; TAO; RAW; SAO/R16; RAW/R96P; RAW/R96R] HL-DT-ST CD-RW GCE-8520B 1.00 (/dev/hdc, ) at /media/cdrom0 [CD-R; CD-RW; CD-ROM] [CD-ROM; CD-R; CD-RW] [SAO; TAO; RAW; SAO/R16; RAW/R96P; RAW/R96R] Thanks, --Amos To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
midi on kernel 2.4.
Hi all, I am trying to set midi no my laptop using midi howtos. It has an ESS Maestro 3 ES1983s sound card. I can here music. I tried to check if this card is supported in http://www.4front-tech.com/osshw.html It seems in general that the card is supported but I didn't find ES1093s specifically. I configured the kernel to have oss and midi loopback (modules sound.o and v_midi.o) and I get kmid to start (before that it said it can't open /dev/sequencer) but I can't here anything. I also do not have the file /dev/sndstat nor anything associated to sound in /proc. Eventually I understood I should have a sequencer installed and that it has to do with the midi loopback. I installed lmuse. All in vain. I think in Microsoft all that would have been avoided (not that I think that that is a reason to shift to XP). -- Thanks. David Harel, == Home office +972 77 4422234 Fax:+972 77 4422234 Cellular: +972 54 4534502 Snail Mail: Amuka D.N Merom Hagalil 13802 Israel Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux distro for new user with Hebrew support and open office
On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 07:46:11PM +0200, Oded Arbel wrote:
On Monday 07 November 2005 10:46, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:
KDE is IMHO inappropriate for the title of good desktop for Unixy
OS for another set of reasons; the worst is that they refuse to
integrate with the rest of the Unixy OS; for example, in matters
around internationalisation, which leads - far too often - for
people to have a desktop in mixed languages, where KDE apps speak
one language and non-KDE apps another. I consider this a critical
bug.
I'm not sure what makes you say that
That all KDE apps I try speak french to me, but:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ locale
LANG=fr_LU.UTF-8
LC_MESSAGES=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_ALL=
You see: I'm asking for BRITISH ENGLISH. How can they understand this
as meaning french? How? This is in a situation where I have _never_
run KDE. Never did any KDE setting.
That's one. For second, that I get KDE users come to me and ask me why
${random non-KDE app} doesn't follow i18n. To them, they have set a
language in the KDE control centre (or however it is called) and then
non-KDE apps don't follow. But the KDE control center doesn't set
LC_MESSAGES (nor LANG, nor LC_ALL), which is _THE_ Unixy standard way
for an app to know what language it should communicate in with the
user. Try it. Go to the KDE control centre. Select French. Go to a
shell in the KDE terminal. Type ls foifdoisoifd. Is the no such
file or directory message in French? I didn't think so. Do:
unset LANG
unset LC_MESSAGES
unset LC_ALL
LANG=fr_FR ls foifdoisoifd
Now in french? You see? (Or launch gnumeric / any other non-QT app.)
Third issue? When I launch KDE in a different environment, e.g. with
LANG=fr_LU.UTF-8 it ignores it and keeps using the language it used
last time. So it doesn't obey my wishes that I give through the
Unixy-standard way.
Fourth issue? (On another user) Having run KDE once in the past and
having chosen French there. Now, I run Gnome in English. Everything
is in English. Except for KDE apps I launch that are ... still in
French. Although I have asked for ENGLISH for everything, by setting
LANG to en_GB.UTF-8 (and no LC_ALL / LC_MESSAGES).
So, as far as my testing goes, KDE ignores the system-standard way of
setting i18n (except in the very limited way that it takes it as the
default for its own knob, to which you have access only by running KDE
wholesale.). And its own i18n knob does _not_ set the system-standard
knob for non-KDE apps to see and obey.
--
Lionel
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Re: midi on kernel 2.4.
On ב', 2005-11-07 at 20:48 +0200, David Harel wrote: It seems in general that the card is supported but I didn't find ES1093s specifically. I configured the kernel to have oss and midi loopback (modules sound.o and v_midi.o) and I get kmid to start (before that it said it can't open /dev/sequencer) but I can't here anything. Can you play regular sound files? Eventually I understood I should have a sequencer installed and that it has to do with the midi loopback. I installed lmuse. All in vain. I think in Microsoft all that would have been avoided (not that I think that that is a reason to shift to XP). If your card doesn't have an internal MIDI synthesizer, you'd have to use a software synthesizer. For this, I've successfully used Timidity in its 'ALSA sequencer client' configuration. I never checked but timidity might also have an option to be serve as the synthesizer in OSS-driven sound systems. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: midi on kernel 2.4.
Did you check alsa? What distro are you running? oss is lame I have much joy from alsa. Also if it is supported in alsa there will be good docs on how to get it running. That said for rpm based systems read the information on planet CCRMA at home for debian based systems read the above but use demudi as your base. Aaron On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 20:48 +0200, David Harel wrote: Hi all, I am trying to set midi no my laptop using midi howtos. It has an ESS Maestro 3 ES1983s sound card. I can here music. I tried to check if this card is supported in http://www.4front-tech.com/osshw.html It seems in general that the card is supported but I didn't find ES1093s specifically. I configured the kernel to have oss and midi loopback (modules sound.o and v_midi.o) and I get kmid to start (before that it said it can't open /dev/sequencer) but I can't here anything. I also do not have the file /dev/sndstat nor anything associated to sound in /proc. Eventually I understood I should have a sequencer installed and that it has to do with the midi loopback. I installed lmuse. All in vain. I think in Microsoft all that would have been avoided (not that I think that that is a reason to shift to XP). = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: midi on kernel 2.4.
On ב', 2005-11-07 at 20:48 +0200, David Harel wrote: Hi all, I am trying to set midi no my laptop using midi howtos. It has an ESS What exactly are you willing to do ? is it for controlling a MIDI device ? just to play midi files ? to use internal MIDI device ? Maestro 3 ES1983s sound card. I can here music. I tried to check if this card is supported in http://www.4front-tech.com/osshw.html It seems in general that the card is supported but I didn't find ES1093s specifically. I configured the kernel to have oss and midi loopback (modules sound.o and v_midi.o) and I get kmid to start (before that it said it can't open /dev/sequencer) but I can't here anything. I also do not have the file /dev/sndstat nor anything associated to sound in /proc. Eventually I understood I should have a sequencer installed and that it has to do with the midi loopback. I installed lmuse. All in vain. I think in Microsoft all that would have been avoided (not that I think that that is a reason to shift to XP). He played the king as if afraid someone else would play the ace. -- John Mason Brown, drama critic = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: midi on kernel 2.4.
Thanks for your reply. Ilya Konstantinov wrote: On ב', 2005-11-07 at 20:48 +0200, David Harel wrote: It seems in general that the card is supported but I didn't find ES1093s Can you play regular sound files? Yep. If your card doesn't have an internal MIDI synthesizer, you'd have to use a software synthesizer. For this, I've successfully used Timidity in its 'ALSA sequencer client' configuration. I never checked but timidity might also have an option to be serve as the synthesizer in OSS-driven sound systems. Does the software synthesizer have to use midi loopback device? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks. David Harel, == Home office +972 77 4422234 Fax:+972 77 4422234 Cellular: +972 54 4534502 Snail Mail: Amuka D.N Merom Hagalil 13802 Israel Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: midi on kernel 2.4.
On ב', 2005-11-07 at 21:51 +0200, David Harel wrote: If your card doesn't have an internal MIDI synthesizer, you'd have to use a software synthesizer. For this, I've successfully used Timidity in its 'ALSA sequencer client' configuration. I never checked but timidity might also have an option to be serve as the synthesizer in OSS-driven sound systems. Does the software synthesizer have to use midi loopback device? Not necessarily. A software synthesizer can just take a MIDI file, synthesize the wave sound out of it and save it to disk (or send it to /dev/dsp). In a loopback device configuration, it serves as a server to other applications; it receives commands from the MIDI loopback device and then renders the wave into /dev/dsp or whatever. Other applications, such as KMidi, don't have to be aware whoever provides the MIDI synthesises service; they just play to the MIDI device. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [hackers-il] Need Personal Loans so I can Collect Online Donations
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HosAPd and ZyDAS?
I just got a wireless laptop and since I already had a Zydas usb wifi dongle, I thought I'd run an AP for myself on my Linux. I apt-got the drivers, said goodbye to my 62 day uptime and rebooted to 2.6.14. the zd1211 module is installed, but now I see that the hostapd config suggests it's not among the supported makers. In other words, how do I get an AP to work on a Zydas? any comments welcome. -- Just beyond your reach Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HosAPd and ZyDAS?
On ג', 2005-11-08 at 02:22 +0200, Ira Abramov wrote: I just got a wireless laptop and since I already had a Zydas usb wifi dongle, I thought I'd run an AP for myself on my Linux. I apt-got the drivers, said goodbye to my 62 day uptime and rebooted to 2.6.14. the zd1211 module is installed, but now I see that the hostapd config suggests it's not among the supported makers. In other words, how do I get an AP to work on a Zydas? You improve the driver. Unless you can do 'iwconfig wirelessIface mode Master', your driver doesn't support AP mode. I don't know whether this is only a software constraint or whether there's a physical reasons some WiFi cards don't support AP mode... To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [hackers-il] Need Personal Loans so I can Collect Online Donations
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Need Personal Loans so I can Collect Online Donations
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Re: [hackers-il] Need Personal Loans so I can Collect Online Donations
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