Re: Bank Leumi site lack of adherence to web standards
On Sat April 8 2006 20:21, Dov Grobgeld wrote: > Sigh... So it means that I still have to reboot into Windows and use > Internet Explorer whenever I want to access my Bank Account. Are other > banks better? Poalim's site is slightly better, i.e. the site mostly works under FireFox, barring several bugs here and there ( hebrew menus are reversed until the page is refreshed, DHTML menus on Poalim's main site are shown by FireFox in an extremely broken way etc). -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reading a specific session of a cd
On Mon April 3 2006 14:48, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: > Hi, > > I want to create an exact copy of a CD which has more than one session. > dd if=/dev/DEV of=file will only read the first session. Is the CD compatible with the drive? I.e., are all the sessions shown when you mount the CD in question? > Any idea how to > read further sessions? "cdfs" may help. Look for "cdfs" on Freshmeat. It's a kernel module introducing "cdfs" filesystem, which, when mounted, shows you each session as a separate .iso file ( perfectly mountable ), and each audio track as a .wav file ( perfectly playable ) > And also how to use them (apart from burning them > and mounting)? If you use cdfs - just mount the .iso's it shows you as loopback filesystems. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another problem using OpenOffice.org 1.1.1/2
On Friday 13 August 2004 14:15, Alfredo Daniel Rezinovsky wrote: > Anyway, why the "middle east" or "Right to Left", or "semitic" languages > support is named "arabic" ? -- Political correctness. > > (1) I know the list language is english, but right now I can´t find in my > brain the english word for "tajat" --- "Under" :-) > > -- > Alfrenovsky > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Discountbank.net web site
On Tuesday 27 January 2004 08:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Alex Chudnovsky wrote: > >On Monday 26 January 2004 16:12, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > >>An ancient version of mozilla (1.1, IIRC) used to work. Nowdays, no > >>modern browser I've tried works. I'm slowly trying to decide which > >>bank to switch to for the day-to-day stuff (Poalim would be a leading > >>candidate, but I really dislike it for reason too mundane to > >>mention). > > > >Not to mention the fact that new features of Poalim's web site, such as > > mail messages, work ONLY WITH IE. > > Ah, is that so? > > That's worrying, as I currently use Mozilla to track an account there. So do I. > Hope they don't deteriorate too much in that direction. The most chances are they certainly would. > This currently leaves only FIBI (First International Bank) in my list of > banks with sites which fully support Mozilla. > > Cheers, > > --Amos -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Discountbank.net web site
On Monday 26 January 2004 16:12, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > An ancient version of mozilla (1.1, IIRC) used to work. Nowdays, no > modern browser I've tried works. I'm slowly trying to decide which > bank to switch to for the day-to-day stuff (Poalim would be a leading > candidate, but I really dislike it for reason too mundane to > mention). Not to mention the fact that new features of Poalim's web site, such as mail messages, work ONLY WITH IE. > > Cheers, > Muli -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Broadband Connection Speed
On Friday 16 January 2004 19:42, Amichai Rotman wrote: > Hi All, > > At home, I am connected to the Internet through Cable. > > I went to a friend with ADSL. I noticed a dramatic difference in speed > in favor of the ADSL connection. > > Is it possible? Am I imagining things? There really is some difference in favor of ADSL connection, although I wouldn't call it dramatic - 2-3 KB/s. As it seems, cable connection has a bigger part of its bandwidth used by overheads of all kinds. Are you and your friend clients of the same provider? -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mandrake URPMI Update
On Friday 16 January 2004 19:31, Amichai Rotman wrote: > Hi All, > > I am trying to run MandrakeUpdate (URPMI) to update the > Kernel-source-2.4.22-26mdk package. After downloading the package, it > tells me there's a problem with the signature and it won't install. There is --no-verify-rpm parameter to urpmi, rpmdrake and such. Have you tried "ftp.sunet.se"-based repository? I've installed this package from them just today. > > It happens with all sources (IGLU included). I checked the sigs, and > they're there. > > How can I fix it? > > Thanks, > > ::. > > Amichai Rotman > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Konqueror font in MDK92
On Friday 09 January 2004 15:10, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > I guess that Konq can't **see** the adobe-helvetica font so it uses some > wierd font instead. But when I replace it with Arial, Konq does find the > font. So it seems to me that I may have a problem with the font server. Not with the font server. Is the "Use antialiased fonts" option switched on in KDE? If so, that explains it all. KDE uses fonts that are EITHER provided by the font server OR by the xft mechanism ( that is responsible for antialiased fonts ), BUT NOT BOTH. You should have added a directory containing your helvetica font files, to /etc/fonts/local.conf. It also seems probable that you /etc/fonts/fonts.conf is a bit incorrect. Generally, it should provide an alias for non-existing fonts. In your case, there was no alias defined or it was defined erroneously, so xft just used a FIRST font in its list. > I > checked my font path and found a few directories not listed. I added them > with chkfontpath, ran xset fp rehash, and restarted the font server with > service xfs restart. None of that helped. By definition. Xfs just isn't used by KDE at all. > > xlsfonts | grep adobe shows me a long list of adobe fonts. How much fonts are shown when running fc-list? And what is the first entry of this list? I bet that it is the same "Beast smth" font you've seen in Konqueror. > > Any idea what's going on? > > TIA -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ignoring setgid
On Friday 12 December 2003 15:53, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > The only way I can think of is: > > cp /usr/bin/myprog ~ > chmod g-s ~/myprog This is unnecessary. Copying doesn't set the "setuid" and "setgid" permission bits for the destination file. [EMAIL PROTECTED] exercises]$ chmod u+s constructors [EMAIL PROTECTED] exercises]$ ls -l constructors -rwsr-xr-x1 alex users 14517 Dec 2 14:00 constructors* [EMAIL PROTECTED] exercises]$ cp constructors constructors2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] exercises]$ ls -l constructors* -rwsr-xr-x1 alex users 14517 Dec 2 14:00 constructors* -rwxr-xr-x1 alex users 14517 Dec 12 17:51 constructors2* > ~/myprog > > behdad > -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Thursday 11 December 2003 00:08, Dan Fruehauf wrote: > but what made me sign with netvision was the fact that they supported > linux, and some people knew their linux, ofcourse they told me that > slackware is not supported, yada yada yada. i took some 30 minutes for > thinking, and asking some other people. > when i was sure i could connect through them, i signed, connected, and > surprisingly, there were no problems at all. and like Ilya mentioned - pptp > in linux is easy as hell. > Netvision provided me with their so called script that connects you, and a > pptp client. > All in all, i stayed with netvision because they cared about their linux > users, that's about it. as for 012 - i think that they lost me pretty quick > just because they have a bunch of dorks in their support teams. > > i sum it that it is possible to connect through a dialer with aztv + nv, > and that nv will care for you if youre using linux, unlike 012 or probably > other isps. > > Cheers. Good luck. But be aware of one thing with Netvision - they claim supporting CONNECTION with Linux BUT NO FURTHER. Once you are connected, it's your own problem if you are not able to browse, or to get e-mails. Once, upon experiencing some problems with getting e-mais ( authentication problem or something like that ), I called their support. Of course, the very first answer I've got from their support monkey was the usual "no support for Linux". I rebooted to Windows, and of course, the problem was there. The guy claimed that he had had no problem to connect to my e-mail account from his own workstation, so I asked him whether he knew of some problem with their mail server regarding cable users. He insisted that their mail server was all right and that the problem was at mine. All that was left for me, was to ask him to transfer the call to a Linux guy. Fortunately, there was a Linux guy in this shift. As soon as I started to describe the problem to him, he immediately told me that there indeed had been some problem with their mail server, and that they had been taking care of it. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 23:38, Ilya Konstantinov wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 11:07:37PM +0200, Dan Fruehauf wrote:
> > In order to make sure i could connect through linux, i called 012 support
> > line, and asked about their method of connection. I was told that the
> > authentication is done via DHCP, using the cable modem. forgetting to ask
> > for
>
> AFAIK, they've long since stopped using that scheme. Here's how it used
> to work: By cooperating with your cable company, they made the cable
> company's DHCP server allocate your computer a _real_ Internet IP
> address, in the 012.net IP block. You were recognized as an legible
> 012.net subscriber by your cable modem's MAC address (yes, their side
> can match the cable modem's MAC for requests coming from your PC).
> This way, you connect to the Internet without any tunnels ("VPNs").
As discussed previously on this list, the VPN way makes it a lot easier for
the ISPs to disconnect users. So to say, radical method of bandwidth
management.
> My ISP, NetVision, offers a PPTP server.
And they even claim to support Linux users, although it's pretty hard to catch
their Linux support guys, as they are rare and there is no Linux guy for each
and every shift.
>
> I doubt their dialer does anything special. Just ask them for a PPTP
> server address and use pptp-client to connect to it.
It doesn't. It just creates a new connection. You have to click this
connection icon to get connected.
>
> I suggest you to use my wrapper script for pptp-client, which takes
> care of adding the required "route":
> http://iglu.org.il/~future/pptp-routed
>
> > "we dont care, they are probably very few..."
>
> First of all, they should work on their customer relation skills. But
> it's good to "cut through the bullshit" and know their attitude upfront.
>
> I think it mostly indicates that their support is unprofessional, since
> they couldn't figure out that what you need are the raw technical
> details: what server the dialer users etc.
>
> > which linux user would like to stay in an ISP that doesnt give a damn
> > about him or his convienience? ;/
>
> Those support lines are simply full of unskilled monkeys.
For they are cheap. And for the vast majority of the situations people call
the support in, even their skills + some typical cases' description hanging
on the wall are more than sufficient.
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Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 23:25, Guy Teverovsky wrote: > On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 22:15, Alex Chudnovsky wrote: > [snip] > > > I have a regular 6104. May you tell me how you configured your router to > > use BOTH DHCP and PPTP? I've encountered only the option of using either > > this or that. > > You can't. > What you can do is to call your Cable company and ask for static IP in > cables network (172.bla.bla.bla). After that, configure your router > according to this guide: > http://www.netguru.co.il/files/manuals/edimax/edimax.pdf > (sorry boys and girls, I have only Hebrew version) Thanks, but as I've written in some previous message, I'm now back to ADSL. > Cheers, > Guy -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 22:53, Ehud Karni wrote: > On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:15:02 +0200, Alex Chudnovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have a regular 6104. May you tell me how you configured your router to > > use BOTH DHCP and PPTP? I've encountered only the option of using either > > this or that. > > May be mine is different/newer ? > > I attach the PPTP configuration page (General Setup --> WAN (select > PPTP) --> More Configuration). OK, I've read it. Your router is definitely newer and better. > > Ehud. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 22:53, Ehud Karni wrote: > On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:15:02 +0200, Alex Chudnovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have a regular 6104. May you tell me how you configured your router to > > use BOTH DHCP and PPTP? I've encountered only the option of using either > > this or that. > > May be mine is different/newer ? > > I attach the PPTP configuration page (General Setup --> WAN (select > PPTP) --> More Configuration). I'm not able to read your attachment. Which format is that? > > Ehud. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 21:59, Ehud Karni wrote: > On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:56:12 +0200, Alex Chudnovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It may not work. Be very careful when you purchase such router. The > > stores are full with Edimax routers that DO NOT WORK with cable Internet > > Israeli edition for some very simple reason - their configuration > > possibilities are very limited. They allow you to choose either DHCP or > > PPTP, but not BOTH and, of course, not one above another. > > That depends on the router. I bought a very cheap Edimax (6104 K) for > less then 250 NIS. It has both L2TP and PPTP with dynamic IP (i.e. a > DHCP client). So far, it works flawlessly (I'm connected through it to > a Cable modem). It also has a special support for "BEZEQ-Israel". > I have a regular 6104. May you tell me how you configured your router to use BOTH DHCP and PPTP? I've encountered only the option of using either this or that. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 11:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > 6. Another option is to get a xDSL router. It will do all the dialup & NAT > & FW work for you. This way the changes in your home network are minors. It may not work. Be very careful when you purchase such router. The stores are full with Edimax routers that DO NOT WORK with cable Internet Israeli edition for some very simple reason - their configuration possibilities are very limited. They allow you to choose either DHCP or PPTP, but not BOTH and, of course, not one above another. Purchasing such a router for my small home network of 2 PCs plus me being extremely bored of seeing a lot of unrequested "martian" packets travelling freely along the DHCP-driven circle, or Windows XP connecting through "shared connection" of another cable user and not via "lawful" PPTP connection, finally made me to switch to ADSL. Surprise, surprise - the router works almost perfectly ( it needs to be reset sometimes, after prolonged use of p2p programs that create a lot of connections). > > Best Regards > > Yehoram Ben-Yaacov > > -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
> I use bezeqint, cause they let me horat keva, everyone else seems to use > credit cards only. Something new... I've succeeded to continue using horaat keva for around 6.5 years, my ISP being Netvision. > And it was a no brainer with linux, the price ain't so great though. > And cable is quicker than adsl was. You bet. For me, it was exactly the other way around. It seems to depend on ISP. > Aaron > > > Take care. > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla and internet banking
On Thursday 02 October 2003 01:24, Boaz Rymland wrote: > As already cliamed, bank hapoalim indeed supports mozilla. I can add > that this support is not "by chance". Up to some point in the past (not > too long ago, but don't have exact date) their site wasn't (fully?) > supported. At some point, they intentially started supporting > mozilla/netscape browsers, as it is today. The support is not full. Their "mail inbox" system doesn't work with Mozilla ( for me at least ). > There was even some notification for mozilla/netscape users specifying > the fact that "the site works specifically with mozilla/netscape > browsers" (maybe it exists there, somewhere [sorry, no link here]). > > In short - Bank Hapoalim support for mozilla/netscape is good, intended > and I hope - will long last. Konqueror, OTOH, worked with this site for very short period of time. And the problem is in Konqueror. > > Boaz. > And if I'm already writing - which Linux browser works with Isracard service site? Neither Mozilla nor Konqueror nor Opera work for me. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: driver for Motorola SB4200 USB cable modem
On Thursday 21 August 2003 19:35, Dovix wrote: > No need for any special driver, as long as your usb is defined correctly > (just check dmesg to see that the modem is recognized) all you need to do > is to load the kernek module CDCEther (e.g. modprobe CDCEther if your > distro already includes it) and once you do that it becomes eth0. > > Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Ran Milstein wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone know if there is a driver for a USB cable modem "Motorola > > SB4200". > > It work perfectly when using the NIC connection but I prefer to use the > > USB one. > > I'm using RH 8 if it makes any different. > > Don't know of any driver but I have a wild guess - > that the USB interface functions in fact as an Ethernet USB connection. > Try look at the log and dmesg to see if the kernel detects a USB > connected "NIC". Ethernet USB driver is called CDCEther. Works perfectly for Ambit cable modem. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fontconfig config
On Sunday 27 July 2003 22:46, Diego Iastrubni wrote: > Hi, > > I have deleted all my windows ttfs, and got with culmus fonts alone. > However there are stupid sites which specify the font to be used, and that > causes some webpages to be displayed with "konsole" or "fixed". > I would like that all non recognized fonts will be mapped into "nachlieli". > > How can I do that? > > I tried: > > Arial > Nachlieli > > and this did not work. Try Nachlieli instead of Works here. It's the way I get Arial instead of Helvetica for some stupid-stupid-stupid webpages. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pipe question
On Thursday 13 March 2003 23:11, shlomo solomon wrote: > Hi, > > I have a script that puts a lot of output on the screen. I want to look for > a particular string in the output, so I pipe the output to GREP. That works > fine, but here's the problem. I also want to see the output on the > terminal, and the pipe to GREP means I only get to see the line that > matches the string I'm looking for - not **ALL** the screen output. Is > there a way to see output on the screen AND pipe it to GREP at the same > time? Use "tee". Kludge but works. > > BTW - I have a partial solution and that's to pipe to a file and then do 2 > separate operations - cat the file to the screen and GREP the file to find > what I'm looking for. The problem is that I then see the output only after > the script has finished running - not **online**. > > Any ideas? - TIA Two solutions : - Pipe the output to "less" - it has a search facility - press "/", enter the pattern and here you go - "Tee" the output to the terminal ( it is Unix clone, after all, each device is a file). my_script | tee terminal_device | grep some_string -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cabel modem installation.
On Thursday 30 January 2003 00:52, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > What's the big deal? > > internal nic will get loaded as eth0 . That can be easily aranged. You Do > want the internal nic loaded automatically with the network startup. OK, let's check my own particular case. Currently, I have two computers connected into a little home network. The second computer is almost always switched off, so the home network is seldom run. Do you propose that I run the home network ( being off almost all the time ) as eth0? I personally prefer running it as eth1, so to avoid the case of eth0 down and eth1 up. > > However I'm not so sure how smart is it to load the external interface as > a part of /etc/init.d/network start : > > Suppose that the cables network is unavailable for some reason . What > happens then? You can't even access your computer from the local console, > because it is still delayed trying to connect to the cables. It has pretty sensible timeout, as far as I remember. > > On my home network I set it not to load the external NIC "automatically". > It is loaded from init.d, but only after sshd starts, so I have some > access to my computer. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cabel modem installation.
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 23:00, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Alex Chudnovsky wrote: > > On Wednesday 29 January 2003 21:42, David Harel wrote: > > > > Driver that detects its hardware first ( meaning usually driver that is > > loaded first, except USB, PCMCIA and other hotplugs ), gets eth0. And I > > HATE THIS WAY, as it doesn't play well with hotplugging. This stupidity > > should have been improved before long. > > How else can you identify eth0? Why should it be "eth0 and eth1" at all, and not "cable_usb_modem_0 and internal_nic_0", for example? -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cabel modem installation.
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 21:42, David Harel wrote: > Alex, > > I posted a message to you and the group regarding my findings about the > cable modem (attached below) I saw it, I just had no time to answer, sorry. > > Since I did not receive any reply I presumed I failed to send it. Could you > verify that you got it and can you figure out how to help me in this > matter? > > The updated request. > Thanks everyone who replied, (it always gets me by a surprise that so many > people are kind enough to > spend their time and answer) > > OK, things are a little more difficult. > > To begin, with I failed to describe my machine. It is an HP omnibook > laptop. It has network card built > into it and a single USB port to which I hooked a USB HUB. I am running > Linux RH 8.0. > Since I jammed the linux installation I reinstalled everything from scratch > (while the cable modem is > connected to the USB via the HUB). > In the installation process I was prompted for eth0 only. I gave it IP > address 10.0.0.1 > > It took me a while to figure out that after boot, eth0 is the USB cable > modem. I was not able to > reference eth1 at all. The following in /etc/modules.conf may help alias eth0 the_built_in_network_card_driver alias eth1 CDCEther > > What I do to make it work is: > >1.Stop network operations by the command: /etc/init.d/network stop >2.Disconnect the cable modem from the USB hub. >3.Start eth0 manually by the command: ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.1 netmask > 255.255.255.0 up >4.Reconnect the cable modem to the USB hub. >5.I fiddle a little with the start/stop of /etc/init.d/network and > vualla. eth0 is the network card and > eth1 is the usb cable modem. > > I would like it to go smoothly on boot time without fiddling that much. > Also I would like to figure out > which eth? is to which physical hardware thing. Driver that detects its hardware first ( meaning usually driver that is loaded first, except USB, PCMCIA and other hotplugs ), gets eth0. And I HATE THIS WAY, as it doesn't play well with hotplugging. This stupidity should have been improved before long. > I tried to use modprobe -c and got that eth0 is an alias to something. To what exactly? > > below are the files ifcfg-eth[01] > eth0: > > DEVICE=eth0 > IPADDR=10.0.0.1 > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > NETWORK=10.0.0.0 > ONBOOT=yes > NAME=eth0 > Seems to be all right. > eth1: > > DEVICE=eth1 > BOOTPROTO=dhcp > ONBOOT=yes Seems to be all right too. > -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cabel modem installation.
On Thursday 23 January 2003 14:36, David Harel wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for instructions of how to use the cable modem I received > (Thomson-MATAV) using it's USB port. > As far as I remember the anaconda(?) found the modem and added it's > drivers but I do not know how to access it. Cable modems usually emulate Ethernet adapters. Check your network interfaces - the modem should be eth*, e.g eth0 in case you have no other NICs in your computer, otherwise it depends on driver loading order. Offtopic : this "driver loading order" makes me pretty sick :-( In case of USB, you never know, which storage device will get sda and which sdb, which printer would be lp0 and which lp1, whether the cable modem will get eth0 or eth1... > Does it matter that it is connected via a USB multiplexer? Do you mean USB hub?Yes and no. As long as the USB hub is supported, there should be no problem for the system to see the modem. Although, if you have USB 1.1, there may be bandwidth conflicts between the modem and other devices on the same root hub, as the modem will use maximum bandwidth. Nothing serious, but your download/upload rate may go down as you use another full-bandwidth device on the same root hub - scanner or printer, for example. > > -- > Thanks. > > David Harel, > > == > > Home office +972 4 6921986 > Fax:+972 4 6921986 > Cellular: +972 54 534502 > Snail Mail: Amuka > D.N Merom Hagalil > 13802 > Israel > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers
On Tuesday 21 January 2003 16:08, Boulgakov Andrei wrote: > I'm agree with you. all my question were to bring an opinion as yours ( and > as mine); most of complains are: "Site doesn't support Linux" (it is not > correct, anyway. Site can not support browser) are the complains of NS4 > users. I never seen sites using VbScript client-side www.pictor.co.il - their "multiple picture uploader" uses VBscript. They have NS support for uploading one picture at a time, but this support doesn't seem to work with Mozilla or Konqueror - it just timeouts all the time. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] is Linus really a traitor?
On Thursday 16 January 2003 03:42, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: > > Men are control freaks - we love to control other people. Power turns us > on. This isn't new - that one of the basic themes of the Lord of the > Ring, for example and that story is 30 years old. The story is about fifty years old :-) > > > My 2cs, > > Gilad. > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: the problem with LINUX
LI tool. I've tried to stress "GUI". > > > I use Mandrake too. While overall it is a very good distro, part of their > > Drak* tools are actually exactly what I've described - half-baked > > underdeveloped POS, > > Example, please? DrakConnect. > > > sorry for being brutal. It's actually a lot easier to > > comprehend and tune configuration files by hand then to use these tools. > > Let's formulate it like the following : for anything that goes inside a > > distro, if it includes a configuration file, there must be some GUI tool > > to configure it. And this GUI tool should be INTEGRATED with another > > configuration tools. > > Mandrake's tools (almost all) run both in X and in full-screen terminal > mode. All of them are availble from the main "control panel" and from the > menus. And you still have KDE control center, GNOME control center and Mandrake control center, with overlapping functions. OK, there are tools in the Cooker enabling embedding drak* tools into the KDE control center. > > A GUI tool should not be there to configure a file, because the end user > should not be assumed to know that this file is needed in the first place. > The tool is needed to help the user configure something (printer, > networking, etc.). What I've tried to say is that there must be a GUI tool wherever there is a configuration file. "It" in "GUI tool to configure it" means "a software package", "anything that goes into a distro". There should be a GUI tool to configure a printer. A GUI tool to configure SAMBA. A GUI tool to configure ANYTHING. > > The approach of MAndrake is quite different: Currently debian is lacking > in the "setup tools" department. But it has a standard interface for > packages to configure themselves: debconf. Each package can present the > user a series of questions (depending on the level of questions the ser > asked in advanced to be asked), and configures itself accordingly. That's not all. The package should know to RECONFIGURE itself in case the environment changes. Once more, XFree86 doesn't know that, for example. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users
On Thursday 09 January 2003 19:21, Eliran wrote: > Alex Chudnovsky wrote: > >Can you provide details of your Windows connection? Not username and > > password, but VPN server name? Is it PPTP or L2TP? Windows XP supports > > both, L2TP support in Linux is not so strong yet. > > VPN: pns.inter.net.il > > >And why? What is their exact answer, "It's impossible" or "We don't know > > if it's possible"? I'm inclined to think it's actually the second. > > It does *not* work. Not that they are such a linux gurus... How doesn't it work? What happens if you run pptp pns.inter.net.il? What is your /etc/ppp/options? I checked the issue, and I DO SUCCEED to establish at least VPN connection. I can't establish PPP connection, as I haven't a username/password for Internet Zahav, so PPP authentication fails. > > >Netvision proclaim they do support Linux for the connection phase, so you > > may try them.But - no support if you've got e.g. problems with e-mail > > while in Linux, even if the problem is theirs. In this part, their > > support guys are "script monkeys", except their Linux guys. I tried to > > call them once because of a NNTP problem. "We don't support Linux". "Ok, > > I'm booting to Windows... it's the same problem here". "I don't know, I > > can easily connect from my station here at work." "Can I talk to some > > Linux guy?" "Yes, wait a bit"... To Linux guy it took exactly half a > > minute : "Let me clarify that... Yes, we know of this problem, it's > > because of our maintenance works. Try to connect in an hour". > > That happen frequently ? It used to happen frequently when they only started to provide Internet via the cable. Now, the service is pretty stable but disconnections here and there, but they are easily overcome. > -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users
On Thursday 09 January 2003 14:23, Eliran wrote: > Alex Chudnovsky wrote: > >>I'm using the default dialer that comes with Windows. > > > >As I've already said, all that Internet Zahav "dialer" does is to define a > >connection for the default Windows dialer. It's just some "run-once" > > program. > > I've tried anything... I read dozens of FAQs hundred of times and I > couldn't make it runing... Can you provide details of your Windows connection? Not username and password, but VPN server name? Is it PPTP or L2TP? Windows XP supports both, L2TP support in Linux is not so strong yet. > Support Section says it is not possible... And why? What is their exact answer, "It's impossible" or "We don't know if it's possible"? I'm inclined to think it's actually the second. > > I guess I'd better switch an ISP Netvision proclaim they do support Linux for the connection phase, so you may try them.But - no support if you've got e.g. problems with e-mail while in Linux, even if the problem is theirs. In this part, their support guys are "script monkeys", except their Linux guys. I tried to call them once because of a NNTP problem. "We don't support Linux". "Ok, I'm booting to Windows... it's the same problem here". "I don't know, I can easily connect from my station here at work." "Can I talk to some Linux guy?" "Yes, wait a bit"... To Linux guy it took exactly half a minute : "Let me clarify that... Yes, we know of this problem, it's because of our maintenance works. Try to connect in an hour". > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users
On Thursday 09 January 2003 00:55, Amit Margalit wrote: > Hi Eliran, > > Can you tell me what the 'VPN server' is? Probably something like > matav.inter.net.il or something? I'll add this to the cable-modem > mini-howto. > > Amit Do you mind if I answer instead? VPN server is a server you run PPTP connection against. For example : pptp cable.netvision.net.il - cable.netvision.net.il is a VPN server. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users
On Wednesday 08 January 2003 21:54, Eliran wrote: > Alex Chudnovsky wrote: > >On Wednesday 08 January 2003 21:21, Eliran wrote: > >>Alex Chudnovsky wrote: > >>>I work with Netvision @ Matav, our relatives work with Bezeq > >>> International @ Matav. Pure personal experience as such. I have no such > >>> experience with Internet Zahav. If you are a client of Matav, their > >>> site has links to all the providers' sites providing appropriate > >>> instructions. If the provider makes you download some dialer program, > >>> then it works with PPTP and the HOWTO applies. > >> > >>The support team says it doesn't support linux. No details on the web. > > > >Try the following link : http://oa.matavtv.net/internetzahav/default.htm. > > As far as I see, it does require a dialer. All this dialer does, is to > > add a new connection to Internet Zahav. Install this dialer in Windows, > > look up the details of the new connection and define a new connection in > > Linux accordingly. > > I'm using the default dialer that comes with Windows. As I've already said, all that Internet Zahav "dialer" does is to define a connection for the default Windows dialer. It's just some "run-once" program. > I have an ethernet > card not a USB connection. It doesn't matter, the process is about the same. > > > ===== > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users
On Wednesday 08 January 2003 21:21, Eliran wrote: > Alex Chudnovsky wrote: > >I work with Netvision @ Matav, our relatives work with Bezeq International > > @ Matav. Pure personal experience as such. I have no such experience with > > Internet Zahav. If you are a client of Matav, their site has links to all > > the providers' sites providing appropriate instructions. If the provider > > makes you download some dialer program, then it works with PPTP and the > > HOWTO applies. > > The support team says it doesn't support linux. No details on the web. Try the following link : http://oa.matavtv.net/internetzahav/default.htm. As far as I see, it does require a dialer. All this dialer does, is to add a new connection to Internet Zahav. Install this dialer in Windows, look up the details of the new connection and define a new connection in Linux accordingly. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users
On Wednesday 08 January 2003 12:09, Eliran wrote: > Alex Chudnovsky wrote: > >I've forgotten to add that my cable provider is Matav. > >And as far as I know, Bezeq International @ Matav doesn't require pptp - > > just plain DHCP connection. > > Any HOW-TO for Internet Zahav ? ;-) I work with Netvision @ Matav, our relatives work with Bezeq International @ Matav. Pure personal experience as such. I have no such experience with Internet Zahav. If you are a client of Matav, their site has links to all the providers' sites providing appropriate instructions. If the provider makes you download some dialer program, then it works with PPTP and the HOWTO applies. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users
On Tuesday 07 January 2003 21:55, Alex Chudnovsky wrote: > On Tuesday 07 January 2003 21:03, Amit Margalit wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I wrote a mini-howto on using Cable-Modems in Linux. I'd love to get > > comments with info about other cable operators and ISPs. > > The same way applies for Netvision, with the obvious changes in local DNSs > and cable gateway, which is cable.netvision.net.il. I've forgotten to add that my cable provider is Matav. And as far as I know, Bezeq International @ Matav doesn't require pptp - just plain DHCP connection. > It's very good HOWTO, keep up good work :-) > > > IGLU was kind enough to host this page. > > > > http://www.iglu.org.il/amit/cable/ > > > > Amit -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users
On Tuesday 07 January 2003 21:03, Amit Margalit wrote: > Hello all, > > I wrote a mini-howto on using Cable-Modems in Linux. I'd love to get > comments with info about other cable operators and ISPs. The same way applies for Netvision, with the obvious changes in local DNSs and cable gateway, which is cable.netvision.net.il. It's very good HOWTO, keep up good work :-) > > IGLU was kind enough to host this page. > > http://www.iglu.org.il/amit/cable/ > > Amit -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client
On Tuesday 31 December 2002 14:34, Alex Shnitman wrote: > On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 09:16, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > > > I think you missed the main point: > > > > > > 5. Bottom line - drives away potential business (customers, partners) > > > and misses the whole point of having a web site. > > > > This they won't agree with, on the basis of "98% of customers use IE > > so the extra expense is not warranted." > > I think the issue is much deeper -- it all comes down to awareness, or > lack thereof to be more correct. I know a few people who do this kind of > web development. They either have never heard of Linux, or they've heard > that there's such a thing but don't know what it is, or they know what > it is but simply don't make the logical connection that people who use > Linux don't use IE 6. Or they know what it is and what it means, but > they don't imagine that more than five people in the country use it. But > even those people are already quite rare. That's what the "high-tech boom" has left after it - jetsam, so to say. A lot of people ran to study computer-related and Internet-related things and to teach these things, not because they were talented in this area, but because of high salaries in this area. The first question asked by some college ( not even university ) computer course graduates coming to an interview, was "How many stock options would I get? What car would I get?", and not "What am I going to do in this position? What kind of experience may this position give me?". What we have now, is "a drop" of really talented people versus an "ocean" of "point-and-clickers". > > It usually goes like this. The boss wants a web site, so he hires a web > development company to create one. The developers in this company are > obviously not people with a dozen years of computing experience, but > people who have gone through a couple-months-long HTML course and have > some artistic creativity in them. And who have learned only Microsoft tools ( except maybe Photoshop) during this course and are clear point-and-clickers. > For them, the criterion for a working > and well-looking piece of HTML is that it loads in their IE. If they're > really really sophisticated, they may change their font size or > resolution a couple of times to see that the site still looks good, but > most don't (that's really pro stuff). It's a plague of Hebrew sites, especially those in Visual Hebrew. Enlarge the font a bit, and what should fit on one line and doesn't fit now, becomes clearly unreadable. With small font size, it is unreadable as well. You should guess where a phrase begins and where it ends. > They create the site and present > it to the boss, who loads it in his computer, makes sure that it works, Or they show to him that it works :-( and "forget" to show him some places that don't work. > admires the bells and whistles which make the site look pretty and > original, and writes the cheque. For his marketing book states "be original" and not "be simple". It's a tech book that preaches the "KISS". > > Linux?! I think asking most of those companies to support Linux is like > calling your Co-Op, saying that you use a glider to move from place to > place and complaining that they have no space to park it by their store. > > It's all awareness. Neither the web development company nor their client > think that there are any normal people in their right mind who are not > using IE. I think it never even gets to the point where they count > percentages -- in most cases, I think the reaction is more like "go > away, freak, stop pestering me". It's right, sad as it may be. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client
On Thursday 26 December 2002 23:24, Nadav Har'El wrote: > On Thu, Dec 26, 2002, Uri Bruck wrote about "Re: OT: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client": > > > 1. A company that designs its website with the typical Israeli over- > > > complication and utter disregard to standards and non-IE browsers; > > > > What makes you think this "typical Israeli"? > > Do you have a different experience with your off-shore bank account? > > I'm not talking about back accounts, I'm talking about web sites. > > Ever stopped and think why you can't do anything on Orange's site without > Flash? Why HaifaU's site cannot be used (at least when I checked a year > ago) without a browser that supports tons of IE-specific stuff? I've already mentioned Netvision site's IE-only broadband subscription part. And this is an ISP that officially proclaims supporting Linux connections, and they even keep Linux support people ( try catching one, though :-( ) > > If you ever looked at the evolution of my sendsms code, you'd have noticed > how the the SMS-sending sites become more complicated as the time passes, > without actually getting more features in the process. "Why does the neighbor use it and not us? We are not friars" > > At the same time look at Amazon. Look at Google. Look at CNN. At Yahoo. Amazon - Linux. Google - Linux. Yahoo - FreeBSD. CNN - Linux. www.bll.co.il - Windows 2000. Make your conclusions. > All these sites try (don't always succeed, but at least try) to use the > *minimal* number of crazy non-standard features of their page. This has > a lot of benefits: smaller pages, can be viewed (or listened to) by more > people with more types of hardware and software, etc. And it doesn't > make the pages "ugly". > > I attribute what is happening to most Israeli websites to the "dawinim" > attitude of Israeli web-builders and companies. They think that if their > site doesn't use *ALL* the *LATEST* "advances" in web technology - flash, > java, movies, music, javascript, etc. - then they were swindled out of > their money. This is absolutely wrong, however. And don't forget that Israeli business is almost totally Microsoft's dominion. Largely due to Hebrew support of Office and to convenient groupware features of Outlook. > > In fact, I think it's a complete farce that these companies (and some > people on this list) say that it would cost them more money to support > Linux. Ah? It will cost them *less* money if they stopped using all these > crazy non-standard features that don't add anything for the users. Once more - FOR THEM, features they use ARE THE STANDARD. And Windows 2000 they use to run their servers IS THE STANDARD. That's what they are taught. I've recently had a possibility to look at the syllabus of "Computer communications" course taught by Tel-Aviv college. A bit of Netware and a lot of Windows 2000. UNIX is not even mentioned. Do you think people that graduate off such courses would even think of cross-platform, supporting Linux in their networks, interoperability and such? NO. > > I have used Leumi's site for more than a year now. Do you think I ever > said to myself "Oh, I wish the login process to this site had more > animation?" Or "I wish the site played Mozart's Requiem while showing me my > balance?" Or "Too bad these links don't flash when the mouse moves over > them?" Of course not. No bank-account owner really cares about these > things. The site creators just imagine people want those things, spend > thousands on doing them in the *wrong* way (by using IE-specific stuff) and Once more, for them it is THE RIGHT WAY, even more - it is THE ONLY WAY. They just don't know of any other way. > then wake up one day with 10% of the users being unable to use their site - > and then they start to complain how much it would cost them to fix what > they should have done right to begin with... I don't believe they ever start to complain. 90% of the users is such overhauling majority that they may easily tell this 10 % to shut up and to use Windows "like all normal people". -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client
On Thursday 26 December 2002 15:15, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 26, 2002, Guy Baruch wrote about "OT: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi
site and linux/mozilla client":
> > Hello, just a good story for a change, hope it's not too OT.
> > Bank Leumi just recently did a face-lift to their "Leumi-Ba-Internet"
> > site.
>
> Interesting to see you think it is a *good* story...
>
> After their site working well for a long time, I suddenly noticed a couple
> of days ago that I can no longer use it with Mozilla. They had a "feedback"
> link which I tried to use to complain, but that did not work too!
>
> So what do we have here:
>
> 1. A company that designs its website with the typical Israeli over-
> complication and utter disregard to standards and non-IE browsers;
> It takes a very determined Microsoft junkie to create a site that
> works as badly with Mozilla as the current Leumi site (at least the one I
> tried a couple of days ago) - every link appeared to be a horribly
> complicated javascript crap instead of normal link, for example. Hello
> there, Leumi, what about people using Mozilla? Konqueror? Opera? Blind
> people using a text broswer? And why the heck do you need all that
> Javascript stuff, instead of just using standard links?
For that is what their site generation software provides :-( And since 99% of
Israeli PC users ( if not more ) use Windows, there is no reason for them to
EVER check the compatibility of their site with non-IE browsers.
>
> 2. A company which doesn't want to hear complaints, so instead of having
> an email address, phone number, or even a decent link, they have a
> non-functioning javascript complaint form.. I wrote a detailed
> complaint, but the the "send" button did not work! I couldn't find an
> alternative avenue of complaint.
It all does function - in IE.
>
> >(which, TWIMC, is the old site at (note case):
> > https://hb.leumi.co.il/H/Login.html )
>
> So now we have #3
> 3. They knew they had a problem, and yet they didn't return the old
> site, nor did they at least provide a link to it on their new site
> ("if the new site doesn't work for you, try this").
>
> :(
One another company with such attitudes is, to my deepest regret, Netvision.
The part of their site that describes various broadband subscription options,
is clearly created with IE in mind ONLY.
--
Regards,
Alex Chudnovsky
e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: XFree issues
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 20:50, Amir Tal wrote: > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Generic Mouse" > Driver "mouse" > Option "SendCoreEvents""true" This option is redundant, to say the least - "CorePointer" will suffice. "SendCoreEvents" is used if you want to configure two or more mice - for the second mouse and further. > Option "Device""/dev/psaux" > Option "CorePointer" > Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > EndSection Seems all right to me. Now, I recall that X may somehow interfere with gpm - at least it used to be like this in the past. Did you try to disable gpm before starting X? > > ### END DEBCONF SECTION > > --Boundary_(ID_cXO4Po6uRhx8xjFxviW3ow)-- > > ===== > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KMail questions
On Friday 13 December 2002 14:04, shlomo solomon wrote: > On Friday 13 December 2002 13:48, Alex Chudnovsky wrote: > > > QUESTION: Is there a way to prevent the message to be immediately > > > marked as read when you highlight it in the Message LIst? I'd like > > > the change from unread to read to be only after a few seconds - not > > > immediately. > > > > Yes, Settings->Configure KMail->Folders->Mark selected message as read > > after n seconds. > > That option doesn't appear on version 3.0.3 that I'm running. What version > do you have? 3.1 RC 5. > > > It has a lot to do with the message encoding. Change the encoding of this > > particular message from "Auto" to "ISO8859-1". It is somehow perceived as > > Hebrew. > > As I already wrote, ISO8859-8-i solved the problem, but I tried your > suggestion and it also works - go figure. As it seems, the "auto" encoding parser recognizes the message as ISO8859-8. Hence all those issues. What is your default KDE encoding? Or default Konqueror encoding ? May it be just that it is ISO8859-8? BTW, you said that you see this issue in all the messages of the list. Somehow, I see this issue only for those of Eli Marmor. Go figure. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KMail questions
On Friday 13 December 2002 13:09, shlomo solomon wrote: > As part of my move fro MDK 8.1 to MDK 9.0, I also decided to try KMail > (instead of XFMail that I've used for years. So far, I'm quite > satisfied. But I have one question and one problem and I haven't > found any information on either of them. > > QUESTION: Is there a way to prevent the message to be immediately > marked as read when you highlight it in the Message LIst? I'd like > the change from unread to read to be only after a few seconds - not > immediately. Yes, Settings->Configure KMail->Folders->Mark selected message as read after n seconds. > > PROBLEM: I attached a snapshot of a message from the list. Can anyone > tell me why the left side of the message looks like this? It happens > to ALL messages from the list but (so far) hasn't happened to > messages from other sources. It has a lot to do with the message encoding. Change the encoding of this particular message from "Auto" to "ISO8859-1". It is somehow perceived as Hebrew. > > I hope someone can help. I hope it helped. > > TIA -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Linux
On Tuesday 10 December 2002 17:09, Christoph Bugel wrote: > On 2002-12-10, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: > > On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 16:47, Christoph Bugel wrote: > > > On 2002-12-10, Boulgakov Andrei wrote: > At home I have an old 'advanced UNIX programming' book > (from a openu course), and it mentions the most important > flavours of UNIX. Linux is not mentioned, (too early) but > Xenix is. The funny thing is that the author says that > Xenix will probably become one of the most important > versions, because it will run on a simple PC and is backed > by microsoft and IBM (or something). very funny to read > that in retrospect :) I've read in some place, that early version of Linux were influenced by Minix, which had been largely influenced by Xenix. So Xenix may be considered "ancestor" of Linux :-) > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with cables connection to 012 + Arutzei Zahav
On Saturday 07 December 2002 23:56, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Alex Chudnovsky wrote: > > On Saturday 07 December 2002 20:34, boaz_mic wrote: > > > I'm using the following command to connect: > > > /usr/sbin/pptp-linux aztv.012.net.il noauth debug user $USERNAME mtu > > > 1460 mru 1460 remotename aztv.012.net.il defaultroute > > > > Don't use the "defaultroute" option. Define the dedicated route to > > aztv.012.net.il via the eth0 device and then redefine the default route. > > Won't a dedicated route to aztv.012.net.il override any default route > settings? Shouldn't this allow the use of the defaultroute option? BTW, the problem is that the default route is already defined by DHCP via the eth* device and as far as my case, pppd REFUSES to override the default route, so the "defaultroute" option of pppd is OF NO USE. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with cables connection to 012 + Arutzei Zahav
On Saturday 07 December 2002 23:56, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Alex Chudnovsky wrote: > > On Saturday 07 December 2002 20:34, boaz_mic wrote: > > > I'm using the following command to connect: > > > /usr/sbin/pptp-linux aztv.012.net.il noauth debug user $USERNAME mtu > > > 1460 mru 1460 remotename aztv.012.net.il defaultroute > > > > Don't use the "defaultroute" option. Define the dedicated route to > > aztv.012.net.il via the eth0 device and then redefine the default route. > > Won't a dedicated route to aztv.012.net.il override any default route > settings? >Shouldn't this allow the use of the defaultroute option? Only if you define the dedicated route before running pptp. Anyway, you have to define this dedicated route, that's what matters. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with cables connection to 012 + Arutzei Zahav
On Saturday 07 December 2002 20:34, boaz_mic wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the reply. A few notes plus the logs of
> /var/log/{debug,messages,daemon.log} (the relevant sections, ofcourse).
> I'm using either the "netvision" version of pptp(-linux) or the stock one -
> doesn't matter, same results.
> The GRE packets are shown on ppp0 interface, not eth0 (for some reason,
> though this might be irrelevant to the problem, I know). This is shown in
> messages quote below - all 278e6 bytes sent are GRE packets... .
The "default" route is set to ppp0, therefore the way to aztv.012.net.il is
via ppp0. It is dead loop then - ppp0 is against aztv.012.net.il, which is to
be reached via ppp0. You have to specifically define the route to
aztv.012.net.il via eth0, before you change the default route.
Windows PPTP client does this all automatically, therefore providers usually
aren't even aware such routing problem may exist.
>
> I'm using the following command to connect:
> /usr/sbin/pptp-linux aztv.012.net.il noauth debug user $USERNAME mtu 1460
> mru 1460 remotename aztv.012.net.il defaultroute
Don't use the "defaultroute options. Define the dedicated route to
aztv.012.net.il via the eth0 device and then redefine the default route.
> I've tried it all with other mtu/mru values or leaving it to the defaults
> at all.
> Note that the logs below contain the relevant section of _all_ the messages
> of the logging in and the connection cut-off.
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Re: A mandrake and a KDE 3 question + general impressions
On Wednesday 16 October 2002 17:09, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > for typing? KDE 3 and QT 3 are full unicode. Just define your keyboard to > hebrew and type away. You can also set locale and hebrew translation of KDE > from the kcontrol. > Yes, that's exactly why there is now even no possibility to choose charset in font selection dialog - only via locale. Good-bye, russian lyrics in karaoke. Good-bye, russian or hebrew names for CD tracks. BTW, what is the quickest way to know which locales are supported by glibc and by X? > > Thanks, > Hetz > > To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message > body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what's going on with the list ?
On Wednesday 02 October 2002 12:07, Ishai Parasol wrote: > Hi there > > Am I the only one who get the messages 20 times each ? No, I'm in the same situation. :-( > > Ishai. > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netvision, or I need a new ISP
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 21:22, Oron Peled wrote: > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:32:21 -0400 > > Alex Chudnovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It would be just more rightful to call those Linux support guys of > > Netvision "person, who MUST SUPPORT WINDOWS and MAY support Linux IN > > CASE OF NEED". > > Getting *professional* support from "part-time" Linux support person? This support person is not DEDICATED to supporting Linux, s/he just may support it. And yes, you may get fully professional support from somebody who knows both Linux and Windows. I don't believe it's worth for the ISP to keep dedicated Linux support person, for several reasons : - Linux users are usually highly literate and may take care of their problems by themselves, therefore they call tech support rarely at least - actually they call tech support almost only to inform the ISP of its own problems :-) - There is no reason to keep highly literate person for pretty high salary just to answer two - three calls a day, if any. The conclusion is clear - NO DEDICATED SUPPORT PERSON, WINDOWS FIRST AND THEN LINUX. > > I hope for Netvision they don't really select their support people > that way (have no idea, I'm a happy Actcom "dial-up" customer for > about 5 years). Literate person costs a lot of money to train or hire. For the vast majority of Israeli computer users, "support monkey" is more than enough. > > > Learn to support Windows. Or be unemployed. > > Companies that choose their professionals (Windows/Linux/whatever) > via meaningless certifications, are exactly the companies I would > avoid in the first place. Unfortunately, THEY would avoid YOU . Your resume just wouldn't pass their incoming "filter", if it bears no certification. Remember that those are HR people who do the initial filtering, and not IT people. > You can imagine the criteria they apply > later for the quality of your work... It depends. The certification may be very valuable gem for the HR person, who does the initial CV filtering, and may as well mean nothing for the IT person who happens to be your manager. > > > Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron > > "Unix is simple. It just takes a genius to understand its simplicity" > (Dennis Ritchie) -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netvision, or I need a new ISP
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 17:44, Oleg Kobets wrote: > You know it's funny, cause I have been with this guy from Netvision support > in the MCSE class and guess what ? Netvision requirement for the job is > MCSE or at least MCP titles. It's ridiculos but that's how it is. If you > don't have one of the titles, you cannot apply for the job. Ridiculous it is not. Regardless of if you want it or not, almost all Israeli computer users use Windows exclusively. It would be just more rightful to call those Linux support guys of Netvision "person, who MUST SUPPORT WINDOWS and MAY support Linux IN CASE OF NEED". And you know what? We may all make laugh of all those 'script support monkeys' and all such, but... I've tried several times to consult somebody fully Windows-literate but not so much Linux-literate, by phone, on issue of Linux, and it was hard as hell. > > Now imagine what a Linux person should do in that situation . Learn to support Windows. Or be unemployed. And I noticed something - those Linux persons from Netvision support tend to know Windows much better than their Linux - illiterate colleagues. > > Oleg. > > - Original Message - > From: "Alex Chudnovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Israeli Linux Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 4:59 AM > Subject: Re: Netvision, or I need a new ISP > > > On Tuesday 17 September 2002 14:41, Ariel Biener wrote: > > > > As for support - I called them few times at 3:00 AM and there was > > always > > > > > someone there. Sure, those windows supporters sucks when it comes to > > > > Linux, but you should ask for the manager who's in charge. > > > > > > And the manager will also be mostly clueless. > > > > Netvision CLAIMS TO FULLY SUPPORT connection of Linux boxes as in "We > > guarantee that you will always be able to connect to our service using > > Linux". They don't go any further but consider their support finished > > after > > > you're connected. NNTP service comes to mind - there was some problem for > > cable subscribers to connect to NNTP servers around July. I called > > Netvision, > > > and oh those Windows monkeys!!! > > "I've got a problem connecting to the news server" > > "Please press the Start button" > > "I use Linux" > > "We don't support it" > > "Ok, can you check if there is some problem with the news server? Here is > > an > > > error code I receive" > > "There is no problem with the news server, I'm fully able to connect from > > here". > > "Ok, just a second, I'm going to switch to Windows. Here is Outlook > > Express > > > error code, no connection as well". > > "I don't know, no problem here". > > "Ok, can you forward me to Linux support person?" > > > > And after the Linux support guy called me back : > > "I've got a problem connecting to the news server" > > "Press the Start button..." > > "Can you just tell me at large, what you want? I'm a computer > > professional" > > > "What is the error you receive?" > > "This one in Windows and that one in Linux. The problem is definitely on > > your > > > side" > > "Ok, I'll check... You're right, there is a problem for cable subscribers > > to > > > connect, it will be solved in several hours". > > > > > > Most of the time you can see the problem in your /var/log/messages - > > > > sometimes the TACACT server "forget" to unregister you before you > > > > dial again or their server doesn't answer - you can explain that to > > > > the supporter. If you don't like the supporter - then ask his > > > > manager... > > > > > > The supporter will ignore your questions, saying that they do not > > support > > > > Linux etc etc. The manager wont be much more helpful. > > > > Ask for Linux support person. The real problem is that there are too few > > of > > > them in Netvision, not even a person per shift, and they are constantly > > busy. > > > >Also, the attitude > > > of "why turn to support, you can fix your own problems" is not really > > what > > > > I would call flattering to the ISP you are trying to defend here... ;) > > > > > > .. To conclude, an ISP you connect you should provide you
Re: Netvision, or I need a new ISP
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 14:41, Ariel Biener wrote: > > As for support - I called them few times at 3:00 AM and there was always > > someone there. Sure, those windows supporters sucks when it comes to > > Linux, but you should ask for the manager who's in charge. > > And the manager will also be mostly clueless. Netvision CLAIMS TO FULLY SUPPORT connection of Linux boxes as in "We guarantee that you will always be able to connect to our service using Linux". They don't go any further but consider their support finished after you're connected. NNTP service comes to mind - there was some problem for cable subscribers to connect to NNTP servers around July. I called Netvision, and oh those Windows monkeys!!! "I've got a problem connecting to the news server" "Please press the Start button" "I use Linux" "We don't support it" "Ok, can you check if there is some problem with the news server? Here is an error code I receive" "There is no problem with the news server, I'm fully able to connect from here". "Ok, just a second, I'm going to switch to Windows. Here is Outlook Express error code, no connection as well". "I don't know, no problem here". "Ok, can you forward me to Linux support person?" And after the Linux support guy called me back : "I've got a problem connecting to the news server" "Press the Start button..." "Can you just tell me at large, what you want? I'm a computer professional" "What is the error you receive?" "This one in Windows and that one in Linux. The problem is definitely on your side" "Ok, I'll check... You're right, there is a problem for cable subscribers to connect, it will be solved in several hours". > > > Most of the time you can see the problem in your /var/log/messages - > > sometimes the TACACT server "forget" to unregister you before you dial > > again or their server doesn't answer - you can explain that to the > > supporter. If you don't like the supporter - then ask his manager... > > The supporter will ignore your questions, saying that they do not support > Linux etc etc. The manager wont be much more helpful. Ask for Linux support person. The real problem is that there are too few of them in Netvision, not even a person per shift, and they are constantly busy. >Also, the attitude > of "why turn to support, you can fix your own problems" is not really what > I would call flattering to the ISP you are trying to defend here... ;) > > .. To conclude, an ISP you connect you should provide you with a service > that is as closely as possible tailored to your needs. If in order to > receive such service you need to bend over backwards, and also you need to > replace part of that ISPs solutions with bandaids, and if the answer to > the fact their support is unhelpful in the materia you need to go and fix > stuff yourself, I'd say he needs to switch ISPs. > >Disclaimer: I work for a University (whatever that means). > > > --Ariel -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: netvison cable part II
On Wednesday 14 August 2002 11:23, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > Well, I got the VPN to work, but here's my next problem: > > It leaves me with a VPN with a far side address of 212.143.205.xxx. > If I route packets to it, I can get to the internet. > If I set a default rout to it, the VPN packets get lost. They surely get lost - for the PPTP client for Linux is badly broken in this respect. As far as you set a default route to your VPN connection, you send all your packets to the ppp0 interface, which in turn routes them to cable.netvision.net.il, and the route to cable.netvision.net.il is the default route via ppp0, dead loop, period. You must establish DEDICATED route to cable.netvision.net.il via eth0 ( or whatever applicable in your case ) manually, and then set the default route to your PPP over VPN connection. The curious thing is that the PPP/VPN dialer for Windows doesn't suffer from this problem - two clicks and go. BTW, you need no dialer in Windows too - it may all be configured manually. > > How do I set up the correct routing? > > Amir Tal sent me script, but it did not work for me. > > thanks, Geoff. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cracking lessons for teenagers
On Tuesday 23 July 2002 05:36, Nadav Har'El wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2002, Ilya Konstantinov wrote about "Re: Cracking lessons for teenagers": > > On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 06:09, Alex Chudnovsky wrote: > > > What they aren't right in, IMHO, is that such 13 y.o teenagers should > > > get some life on their vacation instead of spending 18(sic!) hours a > > > day at a computer - actually becoming computeroholics. > > > > Oh, right, they should play some more football. Have more "life", > > according to your definition of "life". > > > > You're opening pandora's box on a geeks mailing list :) > > It is indeed arguable whether soccer constitutes a "better" pastime than > computer programming. But do you argue that 18 hours a day at a computer is a royal exaggeration even for an adult? Think about the eyes of the 13 year old kid - 18 hours at the computer is very serious eye strain even for an adult. Not to talk about his back. I'm not excluding computing as a pastime, but everything should be in some proportion. And - is there only football for a pastime? > But I think it is obvious (as this article also said) > that 13 year-old kids are not (in all likelyness) going to need skills of > how to protect heavy-duty servers. It's not like they are going to get a > job protecting some bank's servers (actually, seeing Israeli banks' > security recently, maybe they will ;)), and their home server doesn't need > heavy- duty protection. And generally they don't have one. And "computeroholics" who spend plenty of time at a computer, usually do that for two or three things - gaming, browsing, maybe cracking. > > So teaching kids cracking skills in the pretext that they are learning > how to "protect" servers is a really transparent attempt to teach them > illegal stuff. > The kids are much better off learning "generic" computer and programming > skills. As part of such generic studies, they might learn some advanced > stuff like TCP/IP and firewalling, which might be relevant to protecting > their machine - but they will mostly likely not need to learn "skills" > like where to download rootkits, how to write assembly-language payload > that does "stack smashing", how to write viruses and worms, and things > like that. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cracking lessons for teenagers
On Monday 22 July 2002 12:13, Eliran wrote: > http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2014694,00.html > > What is happening with Ynet ? once they use the term 'cracker' > and another they use 'hacker'... Maybe, but just maybe, the reason is two different journalists having two different opinions? And maybe, that is how the course is officially called - "Hackers' course"? And then, I think they are right in that you need to know how to crack a protection in order to build better protection. What they aren't right in, IMHO, is that such 13 y.o teenagers should get some life on their vacation instead of spending 18(sic!) hours a day at a computer - actually becoming computeroholics. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Israeli ISP's and quality of service...
On Thursday 06 June 2002 13:42, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > As you experineced the PPTP fails misereably and I had to give up or get > lynched by my family. :-) I haven't give up. As I've written in my message, the reason is clear - PPPD misbehaves. And there is not a slightest problem to fix the routes via ip-up. I've written the previous message and I'm writing this message from Linux connected to Matav + Netvision. And the things run. > On the whole they are ok, as long as you call > the ADSL group and ask for someone that knows cable modems for support. Or even better, ask for someone who knows Linux . They are good - at least better than your average support monkey. They at least understand you talking about some Linux or common computer issues. > > Your average support person has no idea and will try to help you by > changing your password, haing you wait until Tuesday night when the > linux person is in, etc. > > I have about one failure every two weeks that can't be fixed by either > loging on again or restarting the cable modem, about 50% the time on > Shabbat. Some are the cable companies problem, some are netvision's. > > I have a static IP, which is very helpful to me. I'd pay for it if I had > to, but then I'd expect better service so I could run a nameserver on > it. > > Support is much better if you set your dns to the cable company's which > always works, and then do a "traceroute -n cnn.com". When you call point > out the IP that it stalls at which is always the cable/netvision > gateway. > > Occasionaly you get a support person who does not understand traceroute > in specific or IP routing in general, however one that did not said he > was going to call his tech support to find out what it did and why we > would use it. > > On the whole, I'm very happy with it. Performance is usually good, > support is ok for something so new, and it has dramticaly improved my > teenaged son's understanding of human anatomy and physical relationships. > > IMHO it's much more reliable than the ADSL line we have at work, but > not as reliable as a frame relay line. If I were doing it for real, I > would rather have a 64k or 128k frame relay line as they are 99.9% > reliable and cable is not. For use at home where I run a small mailing > list and have my family use it for web surfing, email, etc, it's great > and I would recommed a cable modem and netvision as the ISP to anyone. > > Geoff. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Israeli ISP's and quality of service...
I've been suffering some physical disconnections due to bad line and not so strong filters. I don't remember disconnections at ISP level ( Netvision ). Maybe it's worth to put a "keep-alive" option in /etc/ppp/options so that the provider do not disconnect you when idle? There has not always been maximal speed even for local sites, but then - it could easily be due to the same bad line. OK, due to me settling in a new building in a new neighborhood - no more ADSL for me - Bezeq are not ready to provide it in my neighborhood yet. So - bye-bye Bezeq, hello Matav. BTW - Is anyone here connected to Netvision via cable? I've spent several nights trying to connect to their cable VPN server and then discovering pptp miserably fail after just 2 minutes - and the PPP link being dead all the time since being established. And the reason is - PPPD. IPCP negotiation provides the remote IP address being the same as the address of VPN server. PPPD creates the route to this remote IP address via PPP link. And then - it's a hen and an egg problem. PPP link is over VPN link to VPN server, but to reach VPN server, you've to go via PPP link. Dead loop is established, and then pptp timeouts. On Thursday 06 June 2002 02:07, Ishay Sommer wrote: > Hello, > > In the last few months I have worked with 3 different ADSL ISP's, using a > linux gateway. At first I worked with Aquanet, and I must say that > everything was superb, except for the fact that they limit programs such as > Kazaa and Edonkey. I switched to Kavey Zahav, (which are twice the price..) > and I was quite happy. However, 3 weeks ago, I switched to Netvision (deal > from my employer), and I must say that I am very disappointed due to the > disconnections. I use an autodial script, and checking out it statistics, I > see that more than 15% of the time, my connection was down! It is even more > annoying, or maybe it's just my feeling, that I am rarely using the ADSL > line, mostly in the morning before I go to work or in the evening when I > get back, and most of those times, it is not connecting! This did not > happen to me with any other ISP's. Has anyone else been suffering the same > fate? > > Ishay. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] my latest experience with internet zahav
On Thursday 13 December 2001 22:41, Noam Meltzer wrote: > hi! > just thought some1 would want to consider this before he decides to move > to internet zahav. > since yesterday morning i was unable to connect to zahav with my adsl. > (it is connected to a linux box, doing masq) > today i called internet zahav technical support, asking if they have > some known problem. they claimed not. after hearing i have linux, the > guy, named Yotam, instantly said "we dont support linux". > fine. but i tell you that the problem is with your service because i > manage to start the ppp connection, it just doesn't work (suddenly > yestreday's morning after half a year it works great). > he convinced me to try to talk with bezek. > after ***20*** minutes of waiting on the line, a guy named Yosi answered > and for 15 min. we tried to debug the problem with voodoo (which i > already tried even before i called zahav) - shutting down the computer > restarting the adsl, after the sync turn on the computer - bla bla. > he tried to check my line from remote and said its ok. and bezeq had no > problem. i tended to believe him. > now i went deeper (maybe to late), added some rules to syslog.conf and > tried to connect. now i suddenly saw that i manage to establish ppp > connection but when i try to authenticate using pap, i got a mesg from > pppd "Your group is not active". > this msg. says one thing - i have a problem with the user on zahav's > servers. reasonable to me? not to the help desk person named Chen from > internet zahav i was now talking with. > Chen, which reminded me more a secretary than an helpdesk said > immediately that the problem is with the linux - OFCOURSE. No surprise for me - Israel is the kingdom of Microsoft, the number of Linux home users here is miserable. Therefore it's not worth the investment to support Linux - a lot of money to retrain the personnel, and return close to zero. > I tried to explain him whats pptp, ppp, and pap. but no success, it was > like talking with me japanese. That's why they are called "support monkeys" :-) For monkeys they are. And if they are not monkeys and don't act according to their scripts, they are fired. >i decided to offer to connect my win2k > machine to the adsl, while commenting that i don't belive it will work. > then he said - "uh, but i still don't support win2k" (what the > hell?!?!?!)"i'll use my pictures" (he has jpgs of how win2k > configuration should look like) And now you propose that he/she have Debian jpgs, Mandrake jpgs, RedHat jpgs, Slackware jpgs etc :-) Do you want to drive him/her really crazy? :-) > after configuring the win2k exactly as he wants it (now click the right > button of the mouse lalalal) and trying to connect - tada - it > didn't work. > now he goes check on the server - "uh, sorry sir, but it seems like your > user is for some reason not defined to use adsl" (what the f**k?!?!?) > "i'll give you a temporary user until your user will be fixed". I had similar problem once - but that time Netvision were all right, and Nezeq somehow managed to erase me from their ADSL lists, and somehow one of them saw that the definitions were all right, and another one of them saw the definitions erased. They had to delete all the definitions altogether and redefine it all anew. > now - wouldn't it save me 25 min. of radiating my had with the cell > phone because i don't have phone the pc, and a bruto of 1 hour from my > time waiting on the phone, if they would only try to check my user on > the server FROM THE BEGINNING? Support monkey has THE SCRIPT - do this, this, this and this. The goal is "to put the client off the phone in the minimal time". If support monkey holds you on the phone for 40 minutes trying to understand that Linux thingie, instead of 10 as according to the script, he/she risks to be proclaimed inefficient and fired. This issue has been discussed very widely on various Linux sites. And install the phone near the PC, why wouldn't you :-)? Just kidding :-) -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making Linux Look Harder Than What It Is (or: Why do newbies stillhave a hard time after a 'deep' explanation?)
On Monday 10 December 2001 00:57, Ez-Aton wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Shlomi Fish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Ez-Aton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Adir Abraham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Orr Dunkelman" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Orna Agmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > "Alon Altman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Tzafrir Cohen" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Benny G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Guy Keren" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mulix" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Eli Billauer" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Yariv Ido" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 3:09 PM > Subject: Re: Making Linux Look Harder Than What It Is (or: Why do newbies > still have a hard time after a 'deep' explanation?) > > > On Sun, 9 Dec 2001, Ez-Aton wrote: > > > I like the article. It sounds great, but there are few points where I > > > disagree, > > > > > > First: Did anyone write GUI frontend to configure, make, and make > > install? > Try kconfigure - look for that at apps.kde.com. It does exactly that, although pretty far from perfection. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE3, (finally) bidi support
On Saturday 13 October 2001 01:11, you wrote: > Hello IGLU people.. > > I was glad to see that KDE officially announced that version 3 will > support bidi. yey! :) Yes, but I think I will be glad when I see this thing WORKING. The way from announcement to working thing is VERY LONG. Good luck to QT/KDE teams. > > Cya, > Oren. > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bash quoting question
On Saturday 13 October 2001 00:54, Nadav Har'El wrote: > On Sat, Oct 13, 2001, Ehud Karni wrote about "Re: bash quoting question": > > echo "IBMA ?" | ( IFS="|" ; $A ) > > > > BTW. Any one knows why I choose the above example (Hint: film) ? > > Yeah :) I always thought the name in the book (which obviously came before > the film :) ) was chosen as a pun on IBM. > > There's a similar rumor going around on why Windows NT was named "NT" - > anybody knows what these letters should mean? I don't. They used to say "New Technology" once upon a time. It has been forgotten many years ago :-) Windows 2000 is "based on NT technology", which is redundant somehow, so to say :-) > Anyway, the rumor is > that WNT was formed by taking "VMS" and adding one from each letter! That's exactly how KDE was formed. K = L ( Linux ) - 1. That's according to KDE team own explanation. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (no subject)
On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Pavel Bibergal wrote: > Hi all > not so long time ago we changed the time to winter time, remember? :) > so since i did it (using linuxconf) my time clock getting crazy.. > everytime i reboot to windows and then come back to linux i see that my > time is changed and it really tired to login as root everytime and change > the time back to normal.. any idea how to fix it? > > thanx > Pavel You have PC, not Alpha or Sparc or Mac, haven't you? Just go to the Setup program in BIOS and change the hardware time there - you say you reboot to Windows anyway, so you have the opportunity. > > > -- > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dial-up Connection
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Vladimir Oster wrote: > Hi, > I know this must be a simple thing but still. I am trying to connect to the > internet. > I dial to my provider, establish the ppp0 connection and get an IP address. > The problem is that the connection is crawling. I tried to ping my DNS > server and it responded after 3 minutes of waiting showing that 87% of the > packets were lost. Does anybody know what the problem might be and how to > solve it? > > Thanks in advance, > Vladimir Oster > [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is your provider ? Do you have the same problem in Windows ? -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky, E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Scanner
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Ishai Parasol wrote: > Hi > > Can someone recommend a good scanner (and software) that works with > RH6.2 ? > > TIA > > Ishai http://www.mostang.com/sane - home page of "Scanner Access Now Easy". Look for the list of supported scanners. SCSI scanners are the best bet, IMHO. I use UMAX Astra 2200 SCSI/USB as SCSI, works with SANE like a charm. > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SAF cdr on mandrake 7.1
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Mike Almogy wrote: > Hi list. > > I want to use my CDR - Smart And Friendly (IDE) on my Mandrake 7.1. > > The kernel seems to recognize the cdr on boot time, but i can't mount > it like any regular CDROM. > the error messege is : > > the kernel does not recognize /dev/cdrom2 as a block device Mandrake seems to have a problem with the IDE CD-Writers - partially implemented things. They say it's worst of all to do things partially - either do all the thing or don't do it at all. /dev/cdrom2 must be symbolic link. Which file does it link to? It must link to smth. like scd?, if it is not so - ln -sf /dev/scd? /dev/cdrom2. I'm not sure, which is the correct scd number. Try performing 'cdrecord -scanbus', your cd-writer must come first in the list - then it is scd0. If that doesn't help, please post your lilo.conf and output of cdrecord -scanbus, I'll try to help. > > What do i need to do in order to fix this up ? > and what kind of software you recomend to use for burning cd's ? > > > Thanks, > > Mike > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: snapshot able FS
On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > what is file snapshot ? All your files as they are for some moment are copied aside and frozen - automagically by the file server, and if I'm not mistaken, you address them by the same names plus some addition. In case you need, you can use the snapshot to restore lost/screwed/etc files. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PCI software modem support
On Wed, 05 Jul 2000, Alexander Indenbaum wrote: > Hello! > > What is going on with those PCI software modems? > It's around for a while. Why Linux does not support > it yet? Lucent LTmodems are supported - via vendor - supplied drivers. The same for PCTEL modems. Generally, those modems are not supported because of several reasons : - Hardware vendors are VERY reluctant to provide the specifications - Each and every such software modem uses some UNIQUE protocol -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
