Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
Hi Kevin, I need some infos about the deinterlacer in sunxi display engine. Bob deinterlacing is working basically. Is there a possibility to get some info's about these two parameters and how to use/ get them: flag_addr: https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi/blob/sunxi-3.4/include/video/sunxi_disp_ioctl.h#L390 flag_stride: https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi/blob/sunxi-3.4/include/video/sunxi_disp_ioctl.h#L391 There is no (helpful) information in Allwinner Docs or sample code. Thanks Andreas Am 08.10.2014 02:39, schrieb ke...@allwinnertech.com: Hi, Raanan, About the A80's manual, there is no a clear time now. We are trying to make it available as soon as possible. Best Regards, kevin.z.m *From:* RFat mailto:raan...@gmail.com *Date:* 2014-10-06 20:55 *To:* linux-sunxi@googlegroups.com mailto:linux-sunxi@googlegroups.com *CC:* hen...@henriknordstrom.net mailto:hen...@henriknordstrom.net; sh...@allwinnertech.com mailto:sh...@allwinnertech.com; ke...@allwinnertech.com mailto:ke...@allwinnertech.com *Subject:* Re: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s Hi Kevin, Publishing the user manuals will certainly increase Allwinner's chips popularity. I was wondering if there is a rough estimate as to when the A80's manual will be made available? Thanks! Raanan On Monday, September 29, 2014 12:46:53 PM UTC+3, ke...@allwinnertech.com wrote: Hi All, I have put the documents on github, and the url is https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents.git https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents.git Thanks Simos, Henrik and Luc's suggestion. And other documents will be upated to here when released. Best Regards, kevin.z.m *From:* HenrikNordström javascript: *Date:* 2014-09-29 08:46 *To:* linux...@googlegroups.com javascript: *CC:* sh...@allwinnertech.com javascript:; Meng Zhang javascript: *Subject:* Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s sön 2014-09-28 klockan 02:18 +0200 skrev Luc Verhaegen: Why didn't someone from Allwinner send these documents in him/herself? The current person discussion the matter with Allwiner was Simos, who is part of the linux-sunxi community. Allwinner sent current versions of the documents to Simos for distribution in the community. What is wrong? Mailing the full set of documents as attachments directly to the mailinglist is not appropriate. And for some strange and unknown reason Allwinner do not appear to have a public document archive for this kind of documents themselves, and seems to only distribute them via email to their customers when requested. The real question is why AW do not make the documents available in public themselves, and likewise why they do not have a public git repository for SDK sources etc (github or elsewhere). Regards Henrik NOTICE: This e-mail and any included attachments are intended only for the sole use of named and intended recipient (s) only. If you are the named and intended recipient, please note that the information contained in this email and its embedded files are confidential and privileged. If you are neither the intended nor named recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its contents, is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender and destroy the original message and all your records of this message (whether electronic or otherwise). Furthermore, you should not disclose to any other person, use, copy or disseminate the contents of this e-mail and/or the documents accompanying it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
Re: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
Good. 2014-11-25 10:06 GMT+08:00 javqui wavetofind...@gmail.com: Thanks Kevin. Feeling more comfortable with AllWinner SoC, particularly the A80. 2015 will be an excellent year for Allwinner, I will include AW on my products and Engineer recommendations. Javqui On Monday, November 24, 2014 1:13:22 AM UTC-5, RFat wrote: Alright, the manual of the A80 is OUT! (https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents) Thanks a lot Kevin! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
sön 2014-11-23 klockan 22:13 -0800 skrev RFat: Alright, the manual of the A80 is OUT! And looking good. Still several components without documentation, but a long way since A10. Regards Henrik -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
Thanks Kevin. Feeling more comfortable with AllWinner SoC, particularly the A80. 2015 will be an excellent year for Allwinner, I will include AW on my products and Engineer recommendations. Javqui On Monday, November 24, 2014 1:13:22 AM UTC-5, RFat wrote: Alright, the manual of the A80 is OUT! (https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents) Thanks a lot Kevin! -R On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 4:39:06 AM UTC+3, Zhao Zhili wrote: You are right. China have suffer too much from idealism. Now they come to the other way. Don't say something too beautiful to them, they don't believe that and think you are a cheater. On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 08:11:40AM -0700, jacky lau wrote: I agree with you and Jhon Yi. Developing a soc is not too hard now, getting customers is harder and more important. I hope the market will force all China Soc company more open. But before that happen, I don't think they will become more open. They don't have experience in working with the open source community, if you want them to be more open, you need to do more communicate with them. And remember, to them, neither the law nor the spirit of free software, but making money is paramount. Tell them they will get more customers, make more money and prove it, then they will follow. 在 2014年10月11日星期六UTC+8下午10时53分48秒，Jon Smirl写道： On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 10:31 AM, jacky lau i90...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: A big client will buy thousands of chips once. Are there any relation between big client and user manual publishing? No. So they don't think it's necessary to open their private property. When you are a big client, you are VIP, all document and source code is open to you. And if publish all technical documentation, competitors will know some technical secret (e.g. bug;) they don't want them to know. Open world is beautiful, but they will not actively participate if there is no return. Why some China soc company publish some documents and source code now? I think this is mainly for marketing. But no matter how, VIP priority. Right now Allwinner is only good for tablets and STBs because Allwinner supplies turnkey solutions. If documentation were more open other applications could be developed. If customer can't get software working for these other applications, they won't buy thousands of chips. So if Allwinner wants to survive past the end of the tablet fad they have to start developing these other markets. Otherwise when the tablet fad is over it will be the end of Allwinner. You also over estimate the value of technical secrets. What is the point of putting a secret h.264 encode/decode unit on the chip if half of your customers can't get it working? Obviously Rockchip knows how to make h.264 encode/decode since they have a similar unit on their chip. And so does Freescale, TI, ST, etc. -- there is no big secret in making h.264 hardware for people familiar with how to do it (hint, it is an ISO standard). So by keeping the documentation secret you hide nothing significant from your competitors and much, much worse -- you keep your own customers from using the hardware they bought. Think about it --- which is more important - hiding something form a competitor that they probably already know, or getting your customers to ship and buy more chips? Bottom line - which one brings cash in the door - secret documentation or getting as many customers as possible to ship? 在 2014年10月6日星期一UTC+8下午8时55分30秒，RFat写道： Hi Kevin, Publishing the user manuals will certainly increase Allwinner's chips popularity. I was wondering if there is a rough estimate as to when the A80's manual will be made available? Thanks! Raanan On Monday, September 29, 2014 12:46:53 PM UTC+3, ke...@allwinnertech.com wrote: Hi All, I have put the documents on github, and the url is https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents.git Thanks Simos, Henrik and Luc's suggestion. And other documents will be upated to here when released. Best Regards, kevin.z.m From: HenrikNordström Date: 2014-09-29 08:46 To: linux...@googlegroups.com CC: sh...@allwinnertech.com; Meng Zhang Subject: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s sön 2014-09-28 klockan 02:18 +0200 skrev Luc Verhaegen: Why didn't someone from Allwinner send these documents in him/herself? The current person discussion the matter with Allwiner was Simos, who is part of the linux-sunxi community. Allwinner sent current versions
Re: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
Thanks Kevin. Feeling more comfortable with AllWinner SoC, particularly the A80. 2015 will be an excellent year for Allwinner, I will include AW on my products and Engineer recommendations. Javqui On Monday, November 24, 2014 1:13:22 AM UTC-5, RFat wrote: Alright, the manual of the A80 is OUT! (https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents) Thanks a lot Kevin! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
Alright, the manual of the A80 is OUT! (https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents) Thanks a lot Kevin! -R On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 4:39:06 AM UTC+3, Zhao Zhili wrote: You are right. China have suffer too much from idealism. Now they come to the other way. Don't say something too beautiful to them, they don't believe that and think you are a cheater. On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 08:11:40AM -0700, jacky lau wrote: I agree with you and Jhon Yi. Developing a soc is not too hard now, getting customers is harder and more important. I hope the market will force all China Soc company more open. But before that happen, I don't think they will become more open. They don't have experience in working with the open source community, if you want them to be more open, you need to do more communicate with them. And remember, to them, neither the law nor the spirit of free software, but making money is paramount. Tell them they will get more customers, make more money and prove it, then they will follow. 在 2014年10月11日星期六UTC+8下午10时53分48秒，Jon Smirl写道： On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 10:31 AM, jacky lau i90...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: A big client will buy thousands of chips once. Are there any relation between big client and user manual publishing? No. So they don't think it's necessary to open their private property. When you are a big client, you are VIP, all document and source code is open to you. And if publish all technical documentation, competitors will know some technical secret (e.g. bug;) they don't want them to know. Open world is beautiful, but they will not actively participate if there is no return. Why some China soc company publish some documents and source code now? I think this is mainly for marketing. But no matter how, VIP priority. Right now Allwinner is only good for tablets and STBs because Allwinner supplies turnkey solutions. If documentation were more open other applications could be developed. If customer can't get software working for these other applications, they won't buy thousands of chips. So if Allwinner wants to survive past the end of the tablet fad they have to start developing these other markets. Otherwise when the tablet fad is over it will be the end of Allwinner. You also over estimate the value of technical secrets. What is the point of putting a secret h.264 encode/decode unit on the chip if half of your customers can't get it working? Obviously Rockchip knows how to make h.264 encode/decode since they have a similar unit on their chip. And so does Freescale, TI, ST, etc. -- there is no big secret in making h.264 hardware for people familiar with how to do it (hint, it is an ISO standard). So by keeping the documentation secret you hide nothing significant from your competitors and much, much worse -- you keep your own customers from using the hardware they bought. Think about it --- which is more important - hiding something form a competitor that they probably already know, or getting your customers to ship and buy more chips? Bottom line - which one brings cash in the door - secret documentation or getting as many customers as possible to ship? 在 2014年10月6日星期一UTC+8下午8时55分30秒，RFat写道： Hi Kevin, Publishing the user manuals will certainly increase Allwinner's chips popularity. I was wondering if there is a rough estimate as to when the A80's manual will be made available? Thanks! Raanan On Monday, September 29, 2014 12:46:53 PM UTC+3, ke...@allwinnertech.com wrote: Hi All, I have put the documents on github, and the url is https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents.git Thanks Simos, Henrik and Luc's suggestion. And other documents will be upated to here when released. Best Regards, kevin.z.m From: HenrikNordström Date: 2014-09-29 08:46 To: linux...@googlegroups.com CC: sh...@allwinnertech.com; Meng Zhang Subject: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s sön 2014-09-28 klockan 02:18 +0200 skrev Luc Verhaegen: Why didn't someone from Allwinner send these documents in him/herself? The current person discussion the matter with Allwiner was Simos, who is part of the linux-sunxi community. Allwinner sent current versions of the documents to Simos for distribution in the community. What is wrong? Mailing the full set of documents as attachments directly to the mailinglist is not appropriate. And for some strange and unknown reason Allwinner do not appear to have a public
Re: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
I agree with you and Jhon Yi. Developing a soc is not too hard now, getting customers is harder and more important. I hope the market will force all China Soc company more open. But before that happen, I don't think they will become more open. They don't have experience in working with the open source community, if you want them to be more open, you need to do more communicate with them. And remember, to them, neither the law nor the spirit of free software, but making money is paramount. Tell them they will get more customers, make more money and prove it, then they will follow. 在 2014年10月11日星期六UTC+8下午10时53分48秒，Jon Smirl写道： On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 10:31 AM, jacky lau i90...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: A big client will buy thousands of chips once. Are there any relation between big client and user manual publishing? No. So they don't think it's necessary to open their private property. When you are a big client, you are VIP, all document and source code is open to you. And if publish all technical documentation, competitors will know some technical secret (e.g. bug;) they don't want them to know. Open world is beautiful, but they will not actively participate if there is no return. Why some China soc company publish some documents and source code now? I think this is mainly for marketing. But no matter how, VIP priority. Right now Allwinner is only good for tablets and STBs because Allwinner supplies turnkey solutions. If documentation were more open other applications could be developed. If customer can't get software working for these other applications, they won't buy thousands of chips. So if Allwinner wants to survive past the end of the tablet fad they have to start developing these other markets. Otherwise when the tablet fad is over it will be the end of Allwinner. You also over estimate the value of technical secrets. What is the point of putting a secret h.264 encode/decode unit on the chip if half of your customers can't get it working? Obviously Rockchip knows how to make h.264 encode/decode since they have a similar unit on their chip. And so does Freescale, TI, ST, etc. -- there is no big secret in making h.264 hardware for people familiar with how to do it (hint, it is an ISO standard). So by keeping the documentation secret you hide nothing significant from your competitors and much, much worse -- you keep your own customers from using the hardware they bought. Think about it --- which is more important - hiding something form a competitor that they probably already know, or getting your customers to ship and buy more chips? Bottom line - which one brings cash in the door - secret documentation or getting as many customers as possible to ship? 在 2014年10月6日星期一UTC+8下午8时55分30秒，RFat写道： Hi Kevin, Publishing the user manuals will certainly increase Allwinner's chips popularity. I was wondering if there is a rough estimate as to when the A80's manual will be made available? Thanks! Raanan On Monday, September 29, 2014 12:46:53 PM UTC+3, ke...@allwinnertech.com wrote: Hi All, I have put the documents on github, and the url is https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents.git Thanks Simos, Henrik and Luc's suggestion. And other documents will be upated to here when released. Best Regards, kevin.z.m From: HenrikNordström Date: 2014-09-29 08:46 To: linux...@googlegroups.com CC: sh...@allwinnertech.com; Meng Zhang Subject: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s sön 2014-09-28 klockan 02:18 +0200 skrev Luc Verhaegen: Why didn't someone from Allwinner send these documents in him/herself? The current person discussion the matter with Allwiner was Simos, who is part of the linux-sunxi community. Allwinner sent current versions of the documents to Simos for distribution in the community. What is wrong? Mailing the full set of documents as attachments directly to the mailinglist is not appropriate. And for some strange and unknown reason Allwinner do not appear to have a public document archive for this kind of documents themselves, and seems to only distribute them via email to their customers when requested. The real question is why AW do not make the documents available in public themselves, and likewise why they do not have a public git repository for SDK sources etc (github or elsewhere). Regards Henrik NOTICE: This e-mail and any included attachments are intended only for the sole use of named and intended recipient (s) only. If you are the named and intended recipient, please note that the information contained in this email and its embedded files are confidential and privileged. If you
Re: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
You are right. China have suffer too much from idealism. Now they come to
the other way. Don't say something too beautiful to them, they don't
believe that and think you are a cheater.
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 08:11:40AM -0700, jacky lau wrote:
I agree with you and Jhon Yi. Developing a soc is not too hard now, getting
customers is harder and more important. I hope the market will force all
China Soc company more open. But before that happen, I don't think they
will become more open.
They don't have experience in working with the open source community, if you
want
them to be more open, you need to do more communicate with them. And
remember, to them, neither the law nor the spirit of free software, but
making
money is paramount. Tell them they will get more customers, make more money
and prove it, then they will follow.
在 2014年10月11日星期六UTC+8下午10时53分48秒，Jon Smirl写道：
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 10:31 AM, jacky lau i90...@gmail.com
javascript: wrote:
A big client will buy thousands of chips once. Are there any relation
between big client and user manual publishing? No. So they don't think
it's
necessary to open their private property. When you are a big client, you
are
VIP, all document and source code is open to you. And if publish all
technical documentation, competitors will know some technical secret
(e.g.
bug;) they don't want them to know.
Open world is beautiful, but they will not actively participate if there
is
no return. Why some China soc company publish some documents and source
code
now? I think this is mainly for marketing. But no matter how, VIP
priority.
Right now Allwinner is only good for tablets and STBs because
Allwinner supplies turnkey solutions. If documentation were more open
other applications could be developed. If customer can't get software
working for these other applications, they won't buy thousands of
chips. So if Allwinner wants to survive past the end of the tablet fad
they have to start developing these other markets. Otherwise when the
tablet fad is over it will be the end of Allwinner.
You also over estimate the value of technical secrets. What is the
point of putting a secret h.264 encode/decode unit on the chip if half
of your customers can't get it working? Obviously Rockchip knows how
to make h.264 encode/decode since they have a similar unit on their
chip. And so does Freescale, TI, ST, etc. -- there is no big secret in
making h.264 hardware for people familiar with how to do it (hint, it
is an ISO standard). So by keeping the documentation secret you hide
nothing significant from your competitors and much, much worse -- you
keep your own customers from using the hardware they bought. Think
about it --- which is more important - hiding something form a
competitor that they probably already know, or getting your customers
to ship and buy more chips?
Bottom line - which one brings cash in the door - secret documentation
or getting as many customers as possible to ship?
在 2014年10月6日星期一UTC+8下午8时55分30秒，RFat写道：
Hi Kevin,
Publishing the user manuals will certainly increase Allwinner's chips
popularity.
I was wondering if there is a rough estimate as to when the A80's
manual
will be made available?
Thanks!
Raanan
On Monday, September 29, 2014 12:46:53 PM UTC+3,
ke...@allwinnertech.com
wrote:
Hi All,
I have put the documents on github, and the url is
https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents.git
Thanks Simos, Henrik and Luc's suggestion. And other documents will be
upated to here when released.
Best Regards,
kevin.z.m
From: HenrikNordström
Date: 2014-09-29 08:46
To: linux...@googlegroups.com
CC: sh...@allwinnertech.com; Meng Zhang
Subject: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware
datasheet,
user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
sön 2014-09-28 klockan 02:18 +0200 skrev Luc Verhaegen:
Why didn't someone from Allwinner send these documents in
him/herself?
The current person discussion the matter with Allwiner was Simos, who
is
part of the linux-sunxi community. Allwinner sent current versions of
the documents to Simos for distribution in the community. What is
wrong?
Mailing the full set of documents as attachments directly to the
mailinglist is not appropriate. And for some strange and unknown
reason
Allwinner do not appear to have a public document archive for this
kind
of documents themselves, and seems to only distribute them via email
to
their customers when requested.
The real question is why AW do not make the documents available in
public themselves, and likewise why they do not have a public git
repository for SDK sources
Re: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
A big client will buy thousands of chips once. Are there any relation between big client and user manual publishing? No. So they don't think it's necessary to open their private property. When you are a big client, you are VIP, all document and source code is open to you. And if publish all technical documentation, competitors will know some technical secret (e.g. bug;) they don't want them to know. Open world is beautiful, but they will not actively participate if there is no return. Why some China soc company publish some documents and source code now? I think this is mainly for marketing. But no matter how, VIP priority. 在 2014年10月6日星期一UTC+8下午8时55分30秒，RFat写道： Hi Kevin, Publishing the user manuals will certainly increase Allwinner's chips popularity. I was wondering if there is a rough estimate as to when the A80's manual will be made available? Thanks! Raanan On Monday, September 29, 2014 12:46:53 PM UTC+3, ke...@allwinnertech.com wrote: Hi All, I have put the documents on github, and the url is https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents.git Thanks Simos, Henrik and Luc's suggestion. And other documents will be upated to here when released. -- Best Regards, kevin.z.m *From:* HenrikNordström *Date:* 2014-09-29 08:46 *To:* linux...@googlegroups.com *CC:* sh...@allwinnertech.com; Meng Zhang *Subject:* Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s sön 2014-09-28 klockan 02:18 +0200 skrev Luc Verhaegen: Why didn't someone from Allwinner send these documents in him/herself? The current person discussion the matter with Allwiner was Simos, who is part of the linux-sunxi community. Allwinner sent current versions of the documents to Simos for distribution in the community. What is wrong? Mailing the full set of documents as attachments directly to the mailinglist is not appropriate. And for some strange and unknown reason Allwinner do not appear to have a public document archive for this kind of documents themselves, and seems to only distribute them via email to their customers when requested. The real question is why AW do not make the documents available in public themselves, and likewise why they do not have a public git repository for SDK sources etc (github or elsewhere). Regards Henrik NOTICE: This e-mail and any included attachments are intended only for the sole use of named and intended recipient (s) only. If you are the named and intended recipient, please note that the information contained in this email and its embedded files are confidential and privileged. If you are neither the intended nor named recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its contents, is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender and destroy the original message and all your records of this message (whether electronic or otherwise). Furthermore, you should not disclose to any other person, use, copy or disseminate the contents of this e-mail and/or the documents accompanying it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 10:31 AM, jacky lau i900...@gmail.com wrote: A big client will buy thousands of chips once. Are there any relation between big client and user manual publishing? No. So they don't think it's necessary to open their private property. When you are a big client, you are VIP, all document and source code is open to you. And if publish all technical documentation, competitors will know some technical secret (e.g. bug;) they don't want them to know. Open world is beautiful, but they will not actively participate if there is no return. Why some China soc company publish some documents and source code now? I think this is mainly for marketing. But no matter how, VIP priority. Right now Allwinner is only good for tablets and STBs because Allwinner supplies turnkey solutions. If documentation were more open other applications could be developed. If customer can't get software working for these other applications, they won't buy thousands of chips. So if Allwinner wants to survive past the end of the tablet fad they have to start developing these other markets. Otherwise when the tablet fad is over it will be the end of Allwinner. You also over estimate the value of technical secrets. What is the point of putting a secret h.264 encode/decode unit on the chip if half of your customers can't get it working? Obviously Rockchip knows how to make h.264 encode/decode since they have a similar unit on their chip. And so does Freescale, TI, ST, etc. -- there is no big secret in making h.264 hardware for people familiar with how to do it (hint, it is an ISO standard). So by keeping the documentation secret you hide nothing significant from your competitors and much, much worse -- you keep your own customers from using the hardware they bought. Think about it --- which is more important - hiding something form a competitor that they probably already know, or getting your customers to ship and buy more chips? Bottom line - which one brings cash in the door - secret documentation or getting as many customers as possible to ship? 在 2014年10月6日星期一UTC+8下午8时55分30秒，RFat写道： Hi Kevin, Publishing the user manuals will certainly increase Allwinner's chips popularity. I was wondering if there is a rough estimate as to when the A80's manual will be made available? Thanks! Raanan On Monday, September 29, 2014 12:46:53 PM UTC+3, ke...@allwinnertech.com wrote: Hi All, I have put the documents on github, and the url is https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents.git Thanks Simos, Henrik and Luc's suggestion. And other documents will be upated to here when released. Best Regards, kevin.z.m From: HenrikNordström Date: 2014-09-29 08:46 To: linux...@googlegroups.com CC: sh...@allwinnertech.com; Meng Zhang Subject: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s sön 2014-09-28 klockan 02:18 +0200 skrev Luc Verhaegen: Why didn't someone from Allwinner send these documents in him/herself? The current person discussion the matter with Allwiner was Simos, who is part of the linux-sunxi community. Allwinner sent current versions of the documents to Simos for distribution in the community. What is wrong? Mailing the full set of documents as attachments directly to the mailinglist is not appropriate. And for some strange and unknown reason Allwinner do not appear to have a public document archive for this kind of documents themselves, and seems to only distribute them via email to their customers when requested. The real question is why AW do not make the documents available in public themselves, and likewise why they do not have a public git repository for SDK sources etc (github or elsewhere). Regards Henrik NOTICE: This e-mail and any included attachments are intended only for the sole use of named and intended recipient (s) only. If you are the named and intended recipient, please note that the information contained in this email and its embedded files are confidential and privileged. If you are neither the intended nor named recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its contents, is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender and destroy the original message and all your records of this message (whether electronic or otherwise). Furthermore, you should not disclose to any other person, use, copy or disseminate the contents of this e-mail and/or the documents accompanying it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Jon Smirl jonsm...@gmail.com -- You received this message because
Re: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
Keeping so called 'secrets' is really insane. Allwinner overestimated the value of some little tricks in their chips, or is too lazy to help their small or potential customers. If they keep act this way, they will pay the price sometime later. Intel had ever do the same stupid thing, and now tastes the bitter of losing mobile markets. Allwinner could be the next, if they don't learn the lesson. 2014-10-11 22:53 GMT+08:00 jonsm...@gmail.com jonsm...@gmail.com: On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 10:31 AM, jacky lau i900...@gmail.com wrote: A big client will buy thousands of chips once. Are there any relation between big client and user manual publishing? No. So they don't think it's necessary to open their private property. When you are a big client, you are VIP, all document and source code is open to you. And if publish all technical documentation, competitors will know some technical secret (e.g. bug;) they don't want them to know. Open world is beautiful, but they will not actively participate if there is no return. Why some China soc company publish some documents and source code now? I think this is mainly for marketing. But no matter how, VIP priority. Right now Allwinner is only good for tablets and STBs because Allwinner supplies turnkey solutions. If documentation were more open other applications could be developed. If customer can't get software working for these other applications, they won't buy thousands of chips. So if Allwinner wants to survive past the end of the tablet fad they have to start developing these other markets. Otherwise when the tablet fad is over it will be the end of Allwinner. You also over estimate the value of technical secrets. What is the point of putting a secret h.264 encode/decode unit on the chip if half of your customers can't get it working? Obviously Rockchip knows how to make h.264 encode/decode since they have a similar unit on their chip. And so does Freescale, TI, ST, etc. -- there is no big secret in making h.264 hardware for people familiar with how to do it (hint, it is an ISO standard). So by keeping the documentation secret you hide nothing significant from your competitors and much, much worse -- you keep your own customers from using the hardware they bought. Think about it --- which is more important - hiding something form a competitor that they probably already know, or getting your customers to ship and buy more chips? Bottom line - which one brings cash in the door - secret documentation or getting as many customers as possible to ship? 在 2014年10月6日星期一UTC+8下午8时55分30秒，RFat写道： Hi Kevin, Publishing the user manuals will certainly increase Allwinner's chips popularity. I was wondering if there is a rough estimate as to when the A80's manual will be made available? Thanks! Raanan On Monday, September 29, 2014 12:46:53 PM UTC+3, ke...@allwinnertech.com wrote: Hi All, I have put the documents on github, and the url is https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents.git Thanks Simos, Henrik and Luc's suggestion. And other documents will be upated to here when released. Best Regards, kevin.z.m From: HenrikNordström Date: 2014-09-29 08:46 To: linux...@googlegroups.com CC: sh...@allwinnertech.com; Meng Zhang Subject: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s sön 2014-09-28 klockan 02:18 +0200 skrev Luc Verhaegen: Why didn't someone from Allwinner send these documents in him/herself? The current person discussion the matter with Allwiner was Simos, who is part of the linux-sunxi community. Allwinner sent current versions of the documents to Simos for distribution in the community. What is wrong? Mailing the full set of documents as attachments directly to the mailinglist is not appropriate. And for some strange and unknown reason Allwinner do not appear to have a public document archive for this kind of documents themselves, and seems to only distribute them via email to their customers when requested. The real question is why AW do not make the documents available in public themselves, and likewise why they do not have a public git repository for SDK sources etc (github or elsewhere). Regards Henrik NOTICE: This e-mail and any included attachments are intended only for the sole use of named and intended recipient (s) only. If you are the named and intended recipient, please note that the information contained in this email and its embedded files are confidential and privileged. If you are neither the intended nor named recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its contents, is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender and destroy the original message and all your records of this message (whether electronic or otherwise). Furthermore, you should
Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
On 10/11/14 15:31, jacky lau wrote: A big client will buy thousands of chips once. Are there any relation between big client and user manual publishing? No. So they don't think it's necessary to open their private property. When you are a big client, you are VIP, all document and source code is open to you. And if publish all technical documentation, competitors will know some technical secret (e.g. bug;) they don't want them to know. Open world is beautiful, but they will not actively participateif there is no return. Why some China soc company publish some documents and source code now? I think this is mainly for marketing. But no matter how, VIP priority. so the reason why chip manuals are not published is because there are bugs in the silicon. gee! who would have thought it. at least if we knew what they were we could maybe work around them. i'm sorry but i don't buy this argument. fear of law suits because of patent violations is a more plausible reason. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
Hi, Raanan, About the A80's manual, there is no a clear time now. We are trying to make it available as soon as possible. Best Regards, kevin.z.m From: RFat Date: 2014-10-06 20:55 To: linux-sunxi@googlegroups.com CC: hen...@henriknordstrom.net; sh...@allwinnertech.com; ke...@allwinnertech.com Subject: Re: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s Hi Kevin, Publishing the user manuals will certainly increase Allwinner's chips popularity. I was wondering if there is a rough estimate as to when the A80's manual will be made available? Thanks! Raanan On Monday, September 29, 2014 12:46:53 PM UTC+3, ke...@allwinnertech.com wrote: Hi All, I have put the documents on github, and the url is https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents.git Thanks Simos, Henrik and Luc's suggestion. And other documents will be upated to here when released. Best Regards, kevin.z.m From: HenrikNordström Date: 2014-09-29 08:46 To: linux...@googlegroups.com CC: sh...@allwinnertech.com; Meng Zhang Subject: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s sön 2014-09-28 klockan 02:18 +0200 skrev Luc Verhaegen: Why didn't someone from Allwinner send these documents in him/herself? The current person discussion the matter with Allwiner was Simos, who is part of the linux-sunxi community. Allwinner sent current versions of the documents to Simos for distribution in the community. What is wrong? Mailing the full set of documents as attachments directly to the mailinglist is not appropriate. And for some strange and unknown reason Allwinner do not appear to have a public document archive for this kind of documents themselves, and seems to only distribute them via email to their customers when requested. The real question is why AW do not make the documents available in public themselves, and likewise why they do not have a public git repository for SDK sources etc (github or elsewhere). Regards Henrik NOTICE: This e-mail and any included attachments are intended only for the sole use of named and intended recipient (s) only. If you are the named and intended recipient, please note that the information contained in this email and its embedded files are confidential and privileged. If you are neither the intended nor named recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its contents, is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender and destroy the original message and all your records of this message (whether electronic or otherwise). Furthermore, you should not disclose to any other person, use, copy or disseminate the contents of this e-mail and/or the documents accompanying it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:39 PM, ke...@allwinnertech.com ke...@allwinnertech.com wrote: Hi, Raanan, About the A80's manual, there is no a clear time now. We are trying to make it available as soon as possible. Are there Chinese versions of the manuals (like A10,A20, etc) that are better than the English ones? We can always stick the Chinese text into Google translate and figure things out. Best Regards, kevin.z.m From: RFat Date: 2014-10-06 20:55 To: linux-sunxi@googlegroups.com CC: hen...@henriknordstrom.net; sh...@allwinnertech.com; ke...@allwinnertech.com Subject: Re: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s Hi Kevin, Publishing the user manuals will certainly increase Allwinner's chips popularity. I was wondering if there is a rough estimate as to when the A80's manual will be made available? Thanks! Raanan On Monday, September 29, 2014 12:46:53 PM UTC+3, ke...@allwinnertech.com wrote: Hi All, I have put the documents on github, and the url is https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents.git Thanks Simos, Henrik and Luc's suggestion. And other documents will be upated to here when released. Best Regards, kevin.z.m From: HenrikNordström Date: 2014-09-29 08:46 To: linux...@googlegroups.com CC: sh...@allwinnertech.com; Meng Zhang Subject: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s sön 2014-09-28 klockan 02:18 +0200 skrev Luc Verhaegen: Why didn't someone from Allwinner send these documents in him/herself? The current person discussion the matter with Allwiner was Simos, who is part of the linux-sunxi community. Allwinner sent current versions of the documents to Simos for distribution in the community. What is wrong? Mailing the full set of documents as attachments directly to the mailinglist is not appropriate. And for some strange and unknown reason Allwinner do not appear to have a public document archive for this kind of documents themselves, and seems to only distribute them via email to their customers when requested. The real question is why AW do not make the documents available in public themselves, and likewise why they do not have a public git repository for SDK sources etc (github or elsewhere). Regards Henrik NOTICE: This e-mail and any included attachments are intended only for the sole use of named and intended recipient (s) only. If you are the named and intended recipient, please note that the information contained in this email and its embedded files are confidential and privileged. If you are neither the intended nor named recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its contents, is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender and destroy the original message and all your records of this message (whether electronic or otherwise). Furthermore, you should not disclose to any other person, use, copy or disseminate the contents of this e-mail and/or the documents accompanying it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Jon Smirl jonsm...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
Hi Kevin, Publishing the user manuals will certainly increase Allwinner's chips popularity. I was wondering if there is a rough estimate as to when the A80's manual will be made available? Thanks! Raanan On Monday, September 29, 2014 12:46:53 PM UTC+3, ke...@allwinnertech.com wrote: Hi All, I have put the documents on github, and the url is https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents.git Thanks Simos, Henrik and Luc's suggestion. And other documents will be upated to here when released. -- Best Regards, kevin.z.m *From:* HenrikNordström javascript: *Date:* 2014-09-29 08:46 *To:* linux...@googlegroups.com javascript: *CC:* sh...@allwinnertech.com javascript:; Meng Zhang javascript: *Subject:* Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s sön 2014-09-28 klockan 02:18 +0200 skrev Luc Verhaegen: Why didn't someone from Allwinner send these documents in him/herself? The current person discussion the matter with Allwiner was Simos, who is part of the linux-sunxi community. Allwinner sent current versions of the documents to Simos for distribution in the community. What is wrong? Mailing the full set of documents as attachments directly to the mailinglist is not appropriate. And for some strange and unknown reason Allwinner do not appear to have a public document archive for this kind of documents themselves, and seems to only distribute them via email to their customers when requested. The real question is why AW do not make the documents available in public themselves, and likewise why they do not have a public git repository for SDK sources etc (github or elsewhere). Regards Henrik NOTICE: This e-mail and any included attachments are intended only for the sole use of named and intended recipient (s) only. If you are the named and intended recipient, please note that the information contained in this email and its embedded files are confidential and privileged. If you are neither the intended nor named recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its contents, is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender and destroy the original message and all your records of this message (whether electronic or otherwise). Furthermore, you should not disclose to any other person, use, copy or disseminate the contents of this e-mail and/or the documents accompanying it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
Hi All, I have put the documents on github, and the url is https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents.git Thanks Simos, Henrik and Luc's suggestion. And other documents will be upated to here when released. Best Regards, kevin.z.m From: HenrikNordströmmailto:hen...@henriknordstrom.net Date: 2014-09-29 08:46 To: linux-sunxi@googlegroups.commailto:linux-sunxi@googlegroups.com CC: sh...@allwinnertech.commailto:sh...@allwinnertech.com; Meng Zhangmailto:ke...@allwinnertech.com Subject: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s sön 2014-09-28 klockan 02:18 +0200 skrev Luc Verhaegen: Why didn't someone from Allwinner send these documents in him/herself? The current person discussion the matter with Allwiner was Simos, who is part of the linux-sunxi community. Allwinner sent current versions of the documents to Simos for distribution in the community. What is wrong? Mailing the full set of documents as attachments directly to the mailinglist is not appropriate. And for some strange and unknown reason Allwinner do not appear to have a public document archive for this kind of documents themselves, and seems to only distribute them via email to their customers when requested. The real question is why AW do not make the documents available in public themselves, and likewise why they do not have a public git repository for SDK sources etc (github or elsewhere). Regards Henrik NOTICE: This e-mail and any included attachments are intended only for the sole use of named and intended recipient (s) only. If you are the named and intended recipient, please note that the information contained in this email and its embedded files are confidential and privileged. If you are neither the intended nor named recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its contents, is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender and destroy the original message and all your records of this message (whether electronic or otherwise). Furthermore, you should not disclose to any other person, use, copy or disseminate the contents of this e-mail and/or the documents accompanying it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 05:46:35PM +0800, ke...@allwinnertech.com wrote: Hi All, I have put the documents on github, and the url is https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents.git Thanks Simos, Henrik and Luc's suggestion. And other documents will be upated to here when released. Thanks! Everyone who is interested who has a github account can set himself to watching and not miss a thing :) Luc Verhaegen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 5:46 AM, ke...@allwinnertech.com ke...@allwinnertech.com wrote: Hi All, I have put the documents on github, and the url is https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents.git Thanks Simos, Henrik and Luc's suggestion. And other documents will be upated to here when released. This also gives us a place to track documentation issues. I just created two - S/PDIF and TV decoder. https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents/issues I believe there are a bunch more smaller issues - like bits in the codec and gmac controllers that are missing doc. Everyone can add issues for these as we find them. Allwinner should watch the issue list, I believe you will get mail when on is created. Then as the various items get documented, upload a new manual revision and close the issue. This lets the community help find documentation problems instead of Allwinner having to do everything. This git hub account is also an excellent place to put copies of the various SDKs. It is better if you don't put them up as giant 6GB tarballs. Push them up as trees of files. Doing it that way lets people look at individual files without having to download 6GB. -- Best Regards, kevin.z.m *From:* HenrikNordström hen...@henriknordstrom.net *Date:* 2014-09-29 08:46 *To:* linux-sunxi@googlegroups.com *CC:* sh...@allwinnertech.com; Meng Zhang ke...@allwinnertech.com *Subject:* Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s sön 2014-09-28 klockan 02:18 +0200 skrev Luc Verhaegen: Why didn't someone from Allwinner send these documents in him/herself? The current person discussion the matter with Allwiner was Simos, who is part of the linux-sunxi community. Allwinner sent current versions of the documents to Simos for distribution in the community. What is wrong? Mailing the full set of documents as attachments directly to the mailinglist is not appropriate. And for some strange and unknown reason Allwinner do not appear to have a public document archive for this kind of documents themselves, and seems to only distribute them via email to their customers when requested. The real question is why AW do not make the documents available in public themselves, and likewise why they do not have a public git repository for SDK sources etc (github or elsewhere). Regards Henrik NOTICE: This e-mail and any included attachments are intended only for the sole use of named and intended recipient (s) only. If you are the named and intended recipient, please note that the information contained in this email and its embedded files are confidential and privileged. If you are neither the intended nor named recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its contents, is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender and destroy the original message and all your records of this message (whether electronic or otherwise). Furthermore, you should not disclose to any other person, use, copy or disseminate the contents of this e-mail and/or the documents accompanying it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Jon Smirl jonsm...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:35 PM, jonsm...@gmail.com jonsm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 5:46 AM, ke...@allwinnertech.com ke...@allwinnertech.com wrote: Hi All, I have put the documents on github, and the url is https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents.git Thanks Simos, Henrik and Luc's suggestion. And other documents will be upated to here when released. This also gives us a place to track documentation issues. I just created two - S/PDIF and TV decoder. https://github.com/allwinner-zh/documents/issues I believe there are a bunch more smaller issues - like bits in the codec and gmac controllers that are missing doc. Everyone can add issues for these as we find them. Allwinner should watch the issue list, I believe you will get mail when on is created. Then as the various items get documented, upload a new manual revision and close the issue. This lets the community help find documentation problems instead of Allwinner having to do everything. This git hub account is also an excellent place to put copies of the various SDKs. It is better if you don't put them up as giant 6GB tarballs. Push them up as trees of files. Doing it that way lets people look at individual files without having to download 6GB. There is a soft limit for 1GB per repository at github. That refers to the size of the .git/ directory in a repository and not the checked out files. The Linux kernel is about 100MB of such space. So there is enough space. A single file on github can be up to 100MB, thus no big tarballs/zips can fit there. More at https://help.github.com/articles/what-is-my-disk-quota As Jon mentioned, please check the Issues page on github for the documentation, and once an issue is dealt with, you can click to close them. More at https://guides.github.com/features/issues/ Thanks for adding the files on github and we are looking forward to seeing the rest of the repositories at https://github.com/allwinner-zh being populated. Simos -- Best Regards, kevin.z.m *From:* HenrikNordström hen...@henriknordstrom.net *Date:* 2014-09-29 08:46 *To:* linux-sunxi@googlegroups.com *CC:* sh...@allwinnertech.com; Meng Zhang ke...@allwinnertech.com *Subject:* Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s sön 2014-09-28 klockan 02:18 +0200 skrev Luc Verhaegen: Why didn't someone from Allwinner send these documents in him/herself? The current person discussion the matter with Allwiner was Simos, who is part of the linux-sunxi community. Allwinner sent current versions of the documents to Simos for distribution in the community. What is wrong? Mailing the full set of documents as attachments directly to the mailinglist is not appropriate. And for some strange and unknown reason Allwinner do not appear to have a public document archive for this kind of documents themselves, and seems to only distribute them via email to their customers when requested. The real question is why AW do not make the documents available in public themselves, and likewise why they do not have a public git repository for SDK sources etc (github or elsewhere). Regards Henrik NOTICE: This e-mail and any included attachments are intended only for the sole use of named and intended recipient (s) only. If you are the named and intended recipient, please note that the information contained in this email and its embedded files are confidential and privileged. If you are neither the intended nor named recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its contents, is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender and destroy the original message and all your records of this message (whether electronic or otherwise). Furthermore, you should not disclose to any other person, use, copy or disseminate the contents of this e-mail and/or the documents accompanying it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Jon Smirl jonsm...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:56 PM, 'John S' via linux-sunxi linux-sunxi@googlegroups.com wrote: On Sat, 27/9/14, Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com wrote: I just received from Sugar the documentation Hooray well done to all concerned (AW included). Er, not the A80? This was the scheduled first batch of documentation. Indeed the A80 is quite important and I hope it is included in the next batch. Simos -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
Il giorno sabato 27 settembre 2014 16:12:31 UTC+2, Henrik Nordström ha scritto: lör 2014-09-27 klockan 09:35 -0400 skrev jons...@gmail.com javascript:: Is there a specific contact point for documentation issues? For example it looks like the A20 manual is still missing the chapter for the S/PDIF hardware. The current proposal is that we track errata and shortcomings in our wiki giving us a central point where we record what information is missing. But there also need to be a notification to allwinner somehow. But should be sufficient to send a notice to the mailinglist I hope, with Allwinner being somewhat present here. for the record TV Decoder information is still missing too. Enrico -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
sön 2014-09-28 klockan 02:18 +0200 skrev Luc Verhaegen: Why didn't someone from Allwinner send these documents in him/herself? The current person discussion the matter with Allwiner was Simos, who is part of the linux-sunxi community. Allwinner sent current versions of the documents to Simos for distribution in the community. What is wrong? Mailing the full set of documents as attachments directly to the mailinglist is not appropriate. And for some strange and unknown reason Allwinner do not appear to have a public document archive for this kind of documents themselves, and seems to only distribute them via email to their customers when requested. The real question is why AW do not make the documents available in public themselves, and likewise why they do not have a public git repository for SDK sources etc (github or elsewhere). Regards Henrik -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
Is there a specific contact point for documentation issues? For example it looks like the A20 manual is still missing the chapter for the S/PDIF hardware. It is kind of documented here by looking at the source for the S/PDIF drivers in the SDK. http://linux-sunxi.org/SPDIF On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi All, I just received from Sugar the documentation files (hardware datasheet and user manuals) for the A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31 and A31s. This is part of the release of documents of documents that was announced a few weeks ago. There should be a subsequent release of the remaining SoCs at a later date. I offered to curate the documents, so here we go: In each document there is a revision history that shows what changed between versions. The revision history is consistently followed, thus I did not add any dates in the filenames. The filenames have two decimal digits (instead of one) for the version because some old versions did use the second decimal digit. Here are the version numbers of the new documents compared to what was previously available at http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/ Hardware datasheets A10: version 1.70 (previously known version 1.21) A10s: version 1.40 (previously known version 1.20) A13: version 1.30 (previously known version 1.12) A20: version 1.40 (none) A31: version 1.40 (previously known version 1.00) A31s: version 1.40 (previously known version 1.30) User manual A10: version 1.50 (previously known version 1.20) A10s: version 1.30 (none) A13: version 1.30 (previously known version 1.20) A20: version 1.20 (previously known version 1.00) A31: version 1.20 (previously known version 1.10) A31s: version 1.10 (previously known version 1.00) Here are the SHA1 checksums, b0507d4f96ceafe08eddb3182c5f328614deb606 AllwinnerDocs/A10s/A10s User Manual V1.30.pdf 3cb77cde50d6e720af8ee9de1bc167253670741d AllwinnerDocs/A10s/A10s Datasheet V1.40.pdf 6984efaeb7fbb046df2145d3b988cf7fda1e822a AllwinnerDocs/A31s/A31s User Manual V1.10.pdf 0d2bf1356906c47ccca977449a17bc2aa15008e9 AllwinnerDocs/A31s/A31s Datasheet v1.40.pdf b341bed4e7b2d653265cb2abe088a32aac563222 AllwinnerDocs/A13/A13 Datasheet V1.30.pdf 9c555300f673c2334c821823f83c7af2115a3b81 AllwinnerDocs/A13/A13 User Manual V1.30.pdf ca6c4ae69db8df28b0bf99326f41a87cd6659a24 AllwinnerDocs/A20/A20 Datasheet V1.40.pdf 83526d6f80bdcf22011bbd1ba2b811e91dfac21f AllwinnerDocs/A20/A20 User Manual V1.20.pdf eaa07db283c609b36d19d8b0d014debc42a0d85c AllwinnerDocs/A10/A10 User manual V1.50.pdf 978d45b865c426dbfbfe3f08666f47265fbd2c00 AllwinnerDocs/A10/A10 Datasheet V1.70.pdf 423e8564bc1e190af67262b32b840ae37b2d3a51 AllwinnerDocs/A31/A31 User Manual V1.20.pdf e9c2226d0d16bff66d2d53dd2c08ac3185dc6905 AllwinnerDocs/A31/A31 Datasheet V1.40.pdf You can find the docs at http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/ in their respective directories with the filenames shown above. If you would like to download these files as a set, see http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/users/simos/ Simos -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Jon Smirl jonsm...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
On Sat, 27/9/14, Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com wrote: I just received from Sugar the documentation Hooray well done to all concerned (AW included). Er, not the A80? John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
lör 2014-09-27 klockan 09:35 -0400 skrev jonsm...@gmail.com: Is there a specific contact point for documentation issues? For example it looks like the A20 manual is still missing the chapter for the S/PDIF hardware. The current proposal is that we track errata and shortcomings in our wiki giving us a central point where we record what information is missing. But there also need to be a notification to allwinner somehow. But should be sufficient to send a notice to the mailinglist I hope, with Allwinner being somewhat present here. Regards Henrik -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner documentation (hardware datasheet, user manual) for A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31, A31s
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 04:26:26PM +0300, Simos Xenitellis wrote: Hi All, I just received from Sugar the documentation files (hardware datasheet and user manuals) for the A10, A10s, A13, A20, A31 and A31s. This is part of the release of documents of documents that was announced a few weeks ago. There should be a subsequent release of the remaining SoCs at a later date. I offered to curate the documents, so here we go: In each document there is a revision history that shows what changed between versions. The revision history is consistently followed, thus I did not add any dates in the filenames. The filenames have two decimal digits (instead of one) for the version because some old versions did use the second decimal digit. Here are the version numbers of the new documents compared to what was previously available at http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/ Hardware datasheets A10: version 1.70 (previously known version 1.21) A10s: version 1.40 (previously known version 1.20) A13: version 1.30 (previously known version 1.12) A20: version 1.40 (none) A31: version 1.40 (previously known version 1.00) A31s: version 1.40 (previously known version 1.30) User manual A10: version 1.50 (previously known version 1.20) A10s: version 1.30 (none) A13: version 1.30 (previously known version 1.20) A20: version 1.20 (previously known version 1.00) A31: version 1.20 (previously known version 1.10) A31s: version 1.10 (previously known version 1.00) Here are the SHA1 checksums, b0507d4f96ceafe08eddb3182c5f328614deb606 AllwinnerDocs/A10s/A10s User Manual V1.30.pdf 3cb77cde50d6e720af8ee9de1bc167253670741d AllwinnerDocs/A10s/A10s Datasheet V1.40.pdf 6984efaeb7fbb046df2145d3b988cf7fda1e822a AllwinnerDocs/A31s/A31s User Manual V1.10.pdf 0d2bf1356906c47ccca977449a17bc2aa15008e9 AllwinnerDocs/A31s/A31s Datasheet v1.40.pdf b341bed4e7b2d653265cb2abe088a32aac563222 AllwinnerDocs/A13/A13 Datasheet V1.30.pdf 9c555300f673c2334c821823f83c7af2115a3b81 AllwinnerDocs/A13/A13 User Manual V1.30.pdf ca6c4ae69db8df28b0bf99326f41a87cd6659a24 AllwinnerDocs/A20/A20 Datasheet V1.40.pdf 83526d6f80bdcf22011bbd1ba2b811e91dfac21f AllwinnerDocs/A20/A20 User Manual V1.20.pdf eaa07db283c609b36d19d8b0d014debc42a0d85c AllwinnerDocs/A10/A10 User manual V1.50.pdf 978d45b865c426dbfbfe3f08666f47265fbd2c00 AllwinnerDocs/A10/A10 Datasheet V1.70.pdf 423e8564bc1e190af67262b32b840ae37b2d3a51 AllwinnerDocs/A31/A31 User Manual V1.20.pdf e9c2226d0d16bff66d2d53dd2c08ac3185dc6905 AllwinnerDocs/A31/A31 Datasheet V1.40.pdf You can find the docs at http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/ in their respective directories with the filenames shown above. If you would like to download these files as a set, see http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/users/simos/ Simos Why didn't someone from Allwinner send these documents in him/herself? Luc Verhaegen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups linux-sunxi group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
