RE: Mighty Quiet Here
Jerry McBride wrote: On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:54:57 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mighty quiet here. Everyone must be busy installing Slackware 9.0. ;-) Yup... slackware spelled G E N T O O... Excellent. I should have done this years ago... Ditto that. Busily going over to the dark side on a Titanium Powerbook. In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Thomas A. Condon Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358 A Jester Unemployed ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Alternate backup strategies
I suggest firewire over DVD. I think DVD as a backup is just too slow. Is
there such a thing as a multi-session DVD?
We use IOMEGA Peerless (20 GB) and IOMEGA 120 GB HDD, both firewire. They
are fast and hassle free. Just don't check the SMP box when compiling your
kernel to run on a non-SMP box. The firewire SBP2 driver has a fit. Other
than that, all works great.
On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:13:54 -0700
Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone have experience with using an external drive (USB or
firewire, perhaps) for backup and releveant howto, preferences, etc.?
These beasties are fairly cheap, but do they work well with linux?
Oops, part II: How about DVD-R{etc.}?
I intended to send this out here, but it went to Gentoo instead (thank
you Dr. Freud!). I got some responses recommending Firewire (loves it)
and others inquiring about writable DVD support.
What experience have you guys and gals with this?
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glibc - what is the stable release?
I'm trying to figure out what the latest stable release of glibc is. I see a 2.2.5 and i see a 2.3.1. According to the (g)libc website: http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/ 2.3.1 is the latest release, but they neglect to comment on whether its considered to be a devel or stable release. anyone know for sure? i've been running 2.2.5 on several of my boxes, but i'm at the point where i'm considering upgrading a few more and would prefer to jump right to 2.3.1, if its considered to be stable. thanks. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: glibc - what is the stable release?
On 3/24/2003 4:48 PM, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote: I'm trying to figure out what the latest stable release of glibc is. I see a 2.2.5 and i see a 2.3.1. According to the (g)libc website: http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/ 2.3.1 is the latest release, but they neglect to comment on whether its considered to be a devel or stable release. anyone know for sure? i've been running 2.2.5 on several of my boxes, but i'm at the point where i'm considering upgrading a few more and would prefer to jump right to 2.3.1, if its considered to be stable. thanks. AFAIK, they don't follow the same stable/unstable convention that the kernel follows, so 2.3.1 is s'posed to be the latest stable release. FWIW, Red Hat Linux 9 will have 2.3.1 Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: glibc - what is the stable release?
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 05:20:29PM -0500, Net Llama! wrote: ... AFAIK, they don't follow the same stable/unstable convention that the kernel follows, so 2.3.1 is s'posed to be the latest stable release. ahhh...ok, thanks. so, has anyone upgraded a box from a 2.2.x version to a 2.3.x version and lived to tell the tale? is the procedure for building 2.3.x the same as the one for 2.2.x? IHMO, changing glibc is just asking for trouble since almost everything on the system depends on it. Only slightly less dangerous is updating the Berkeley database libraries. FWIW, Red Hat Linux 9 will have 2.3.1 yea, i've heard the same, but i don't assume that Redhat is including what is deemed stable by the rest of the world ;) Ain't that the truth. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. -- Herbert Spencer (1891) ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: glibc - what is the stable release?
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, Bill Campbell wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 05:20:29PM -0500, Net Llama! wrote: ... AFAIK, they don't follow the same stable/unstable convention that the kernel follows, so 2.3.1 is s'posed to be the latest stable release. ahhh...ok, thanks. so, has anyone upgraded a box from a 2.2.x version to a 2.3.x version and lived to tell the tale? is the procedure for building 2.3.x the same as the one for 2.2.x? IHMO, changing glibc is just asking for trouble since almost everything on the system depends on it. Only slightly less dangerous is updating the Berkeley database libraries. not neccesarily. i've built upgraded newer 2.2.x versions of glibc before, and survived without a scratch. i've also heard nighmare stories of people trashing their systems by performing the upgrade incorrectly. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: glibc - what is the stable release?
begin Net Llama!'s quote: | ahhh...ok, thanks. so, has anyone upgraded a box from a 2.2.x | version to a 2.3.x version and lived to tell the tale? is the | procedure for building 2.3.x the same as the one for 2.2.x? didn't suse 8.1 go to 2.3.0 or 2.3.1? whatever they went to, it broke every binary in sight. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Network Address/Netmask Notation
An unnamed Administration source, David A. Bandel, wrote: % On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 10:54:54 -0500 % Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % % Hi, list, % % I've never been terribly clear on this, so I'll ask here. Given % a network address of, say, 192.168.0.0 and a netmask of /8, thus % 192.168.0.0/8, this means that 8 bits of the network address will % be used for the host address, which means that any address in the % range 192.168.0.1 - 192.168.0.255 will match. Am I correct? % % % you're backwards. % 192.168.0.0/24 == 192.168.0.0-192.168.0.255 % 192.168.0.0/16 == 192.168.0.0-192.168.255.255 % 192.168.0.0/8 == 192.0.0.0-192.255.255.255 % and % 192.168.0.0/25 == 192.168.0.0-192.168.0.127 % % this is the VLSM subset of CIDR. The /# == the number of ones in the % netmask. % i.e., /8 == netmask 255.0.0.0, /24 == netmask 255.255.255.0, /25 = % netmask 255.255.255.128 Thanks, David. % (note: linewrap above at no additional charge) Feature! Kurt -- He was a modest, good-humored boy. It was Oxford that made him insufferable. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: glibc - what is the stable release?
I second THAT !!! Downgraded to SuSe 8.0 after the system went totally down the toilet on SuSe 8.1 Same for Redhack 8.0 .. dep wrote: begin Net Llama!'s quote: | ahhh...ok, thanks. so, has anyone upgraded a box from a 2.2.x | version to a 2.3.x version and lived to tell the tale? is the | procedure for building 2.3.x the same as the one for 2.2.x? didn't suse 8.1 go to 2.3.0 or 2.3.1? whatever they went to, it broke every binary in sight. -- Ben Duncan Phone (601)-355-2574 Fax (601)-355-2573 Cell (601)-946-1220 Business Network Solutions 336 Elton Road Jackson MS, 39212 Software is like Sex, it is better when it's free - Linus Torvalds ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good
You gotta understand, my fastest machine is a overclocked Celeron 300A running at 450. 1.1 is screaming to me :) On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 07:17:11 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Carpenter wrote: Sorry for the late reply. Yes. On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:52:36 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you'd recommend this $200 box for linux home use? Still running smooth? You are happy with it's speed? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Burning CD's with Knoppix
Not a problem if the box has enough resources. XCDroast doesn't require that you save the settings, does it? So long as you have the resources, aren't you able to Burn-On-The-Fly? That would alleviate the need for large RW HD space for an image. If you HAVE to create an image, just remount the partition Read/Write ( # mount -o remount,rw /mnt/hda2 ) I don't use XCDRoast any more, loving KreateCD and intrigued by K3b. HTH On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:10:45 -0500 Leon Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joel Hammer wrote: Does knoppix have cdrecord and mkisofs on it? If so, I can tell you how I do it. Basically, like this: cdrecord -scanbus Cdrecord 1.8 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2000 Jörg Schilling Using libscg version 'schily-0.1' scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'SONY' 'CD-RW CRX215E1 ' 'SYS2' Removable CD-ROM If you get this, then the following should work: mkisofs -r -J -o /home/jlh/cdimage/TIFs /mnt/hdb/10/Prostate Where /mnt/hdb/10/Prostate is the directory with the stuff to burn and TIFs is the name of the iso9660 file to be created. Then, burn it with: cdrecord -v speed=1 dev=0,0,0 -data /home/jlh/cdimage/TIFs Joel: thanks. The problem I anticipate is creating a directory for mkisofs to store the image file. The computer in question only has one HD, and AFAIK has only Win 98 occupying all available drive real estate. Knoppix has XCDRoast, ergo the necessary support files are on board, but of course XCDRoast can't be configured because I can't write to the Knoppix CD. (To recapitulate the problem: I'm trying to see if I can use Knoppix to rescue files from a crapped out Win 98 install by burning them to a CD) -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Caldera WS 3.1.1 Linux System LI D850MVL ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Burning softeware (was Re: Burning CD's with Knoppix)
On Monday 24 March 2003 10:20 pm, someone claiming to be Matthew Carpenter wrote: snip I don't use XCDRoast any more, loving KreateCD and intrigued by K3b. I haven't used XCDRoast for a lllnnngg time, well over a year. But I'll vouch for k3b. Was using cdbakeoven heavily until it started weirding out on me after an update from CVS. Started using k3b and it's been great, though I still prefer the feel of cdbo. Haven't tried KreateCD, but from what I've read, it wasn't as far along in the development cycle as k3b, or cdbakeoven. Perhaps I'll compile it and play ;-) All three are available from KDE-CVS, in kdeextragear-1 Regards, Tim -- RedHat Psyche 8.0, stock kernel, KDE 3.1.CVS, Xfree86 4.2.1 10:20pm up 12:41, 5 users, load average: 0.34, 0.61, 0.56 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
XFS, ReiserFS, And ext3 Comparisons
Last week there was a thread on the Linux kernel mailng list comparing XFS, reiserFS ext3: http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/latest.html#13 looks like ext3 came in last, resierFS first, XFS in the middle. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:30pm up 15 days, 21:01, 2 users, load average: 0.07, 0.06, 0.14 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Burning CD's with Knoppix
Matthew Carpenter wrote: Not a problem if the box has enough resources. XCDroast doesn't require that you save the settings, does it? So long as you have the resources, aren't you able to Burn-On-The-Fly? That would alleviate the need for large RW HD space for an image. If you HAVE to create an image, just remount the partition Read/Write ( # mount -o remount,rw /mnt/hda2 ) I don't use XCDRoast any more, loving KreateCD and intrigued by K3b. HTH Knoppix 3.1 has XCDroast .98alpha10. It does indeed have a master and burn on the fly option. Setup insists on a path for the image nonetheless. I selected Knoppix's /tmp just to satisfy it. XCDRoast then ran, and copied my files, but they are just files - the directory structure is gone. Although XCDRoast worked in this test, after a fashion, I'll stick with Gcombust for the rescue scenario that prompted this project in the first place. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Caldera WS 3.1.1 Linux System LI D850MVL ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: XFS, ReiserFS, And ext3 Comparisons
Net Llama! wrote: Last week there was a thread on the Linux kernel mailng list comparing XFS, reiserFS ext3: http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/latest.html#13 looks like ext3 came in last, resierFS first, XFS in the middle. shameless plug Linux on XFS is now our standard deployment model, replacing RS/6000 hardware and AIX operating systems. Ext3 just couldn't cut it in the stability tests, and was way behind in performance and features. /shameless plug Here's another interesting read from Andrew Klaassen to the XFS list. (ReiserFS not included in this one) Original Message Subject: XFS vs. ext3 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 23:43:30 -0500 From: Andrew Klaassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sorry for cross-posting; I'm not on either ext3-users or linux-xfs, but I thought both lists might find this interesting. CC me with any replies or questions. Thanks.) (The last four paragraphs contain the interesting bits. Basically, XFS hath kick-ed the *ss of ext3 under conditions that are, for our company, critical.) Some listees might be interested in some testing I did the other day, XFS vs. ext3. In our last IMAX film project, right at crunch time, we were getting a whole bunch of dropped frames during compositing. Our compositing program would report invalid file partway through writing, and move on to the next frame. A year earlier we had done a very similar project, and stressed the system in very similar ways, but not seen the same problem at all. Difference? Last year we were using XFS, this year we were using ext3. Otherwise, as far as I could tell, the setups were identical. As far as I could tell; film projects differ in subtle ways, and that can have a big impact on how hard the filesystems are stressed. This Sunday I decided to test my hunch. We had to know for sure; if frames were also dropped with XFS under test, or if the test didn't show any dropped frames with either filesystem - in other words, if the problem was a Murphy's Law problem, refusing to show itself until the worst possible moment - we figured we'd be forced to spend a couple of hundred thousand dollars on servers and fabric for our next big IMAX project. The time needed to check for dropped frames and re-render frame-by-frame when a deadline is rushing up - to babysit - is simply too expensive. The test setup: 4 Shake compositing stations running on Win2k, communicating, via Samba, with a 1/2TB Linux server with an IDE software RAID5 setup, over GigE. Shake's job was simply to pump through 48MB Cineon frames from local drives to the server as fast as possible. I ran tests continuously for about 12 hours; I had to be able to guarantee my results. The results were clear and dramatic. Anywhere from 2 to 44 dropped frames out of 200 with ext3. (The worst ext3 numbers came while overwriting already existing files.) Zero dropped frames with XFS. Nadda. None. After the first few clear XFS tests I put extra load on the machine while the tests were running to see if that would make XFS hiccough - copying large files around internally, spawning CPU-eating programs. It didn't. Well... not until I threw a fork bomb at it, anyway. smirk But even then, it kept on chuggin' till the load average was somewhere over 900. Conclusion, clear as a bell: XFS for high-bandwidth data transfer over Samba... when running IDE software RAID5, anyway. Oh yeah - another interesting note: There were also dropped frames under ext*2*, which I tried just as a comparison case. XFS truly does, in the patois of the time, r0x0r... Andrew Klaassen -- Andrew Mathews - 9:52pm up 8 days, 8:33, 10 users, load average: 1.27, 1.27, 1.20 - I'm frequently appalled by the low regard you Earthmen have for life. -- Spock, The Galileo Seven, stardate 2822.3 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: mysql
On Sun, 2003-03-23 at 18:37, Jerry McBride wrote: mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed Are you doing this as root? YES error: 'Access denied for user: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (Using password: YES)' Are you doing this as user TED? TED Yup. It can be a total nightmare first time around. Even second, third, etc... Log in as root, ping localhost for fun, then run mysqladmin and try to create and then delete a couple of databases... if that works then you are in. Run mysqladmin again and create your real database. Fireup mysql, access your new database and setup permissions for user TED and ROOT coming in from both localhost and whatever ip you wish. Quit mysql and then run your application, or whatever you have to use your new database as user TED or ROOT. Setting up permissions for user ted and root is where I keep getting things totally fragged. Untill I set perms I can create/delete databases no prob.But then more RTFM shed the light. I can start using mysql(sort-of) . One final hurdle. In setting up php-nuke the install indicates to use the command; mysql nuke nuke.sql This goes nowhere. I can now connect to mysql create and delele dbases but I can't seem to fill the dbase nuke with the contents of nuke.sql. Am I still in the dark? You bet I am:) Is there not a command such as mysqlshow but perhaps a fill or inport function or something within mysql that would do this? Any insight would be greatly appreciated. TIA Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. Powered by Slackware 8.1, sent with Evolution ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Burning CD's with Knoppix
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:20:14 -0500 Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not a problem if the box has enough resources. XCDroast doesn't require that you save the settings, does it? So long as you have the resources, aren't you able to Burn-On-The-Fly? That would alleviate the need for large RW HD space for an image. If you HAVE to create an image, just remount the partition Read/Write ( # mount -o remount,rw /mnt/hda2 ) I don't use XCDRoast any more, loving KreateCD and intrigued by K3b. I use arson. Simple. Clean. Something for the masses. Something our users can handle without a hassle. What I would really like is a system that manages multi-cd store. There is kbackup (I think it is called) but the format can only be read by kbackup. We have made our own that lets the backup file be accessed direct from the CD without additional software (e.g., from Windows). (Our backup requirements are other than expected.) But it would be nice to find something that is more flexible than our in-house stuff. Any pointers? -- ++···+ · Roger Oberholtzer · E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]· · OPQ Systems AB · WWW: http://www.opq.se/ · · Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 ·Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 · · 115 34 Stockholm · Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 · · Sweden · Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 · ++···+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: XFS, ReiserFS, And ext3 Comparisons
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:14:38 -0700 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama! wrote: Last week there was a thread on the Linux kernel mailng list comparing XFS, reiserFS ext3: http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/latest.html#13 looks like ext3 came in last, resierFS first, XFS in the middle. shameless plug Linux on XFS is now our standard deployment model, replacing RS/6000 hardware and AIX operating systems. Ext3 just couldn't cut it in the stability tests, and was way behind in performance and features. /shameless plug Here's another interesting read from Andrew Klaassen to the XFS list. (ReiserFS not included in this one) Anyone care to comment on how difficult it is to install XFS on, say, a 2.4.13 kernel? Is it realistic to install it on a 2.4 series kernel? -- ++···+ · Roger Oberholtzer · E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]· · OPQ Systems AB · WWW: http://www.opq.se/ · · Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 ·Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 · · 115 34 Stockholm · Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 · · Sweden · Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 · ++···+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
