Re: backing up windows
Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat, 23 Aug 2003 06:26:56 -0700 Alma J Wetzker wrote: If you open the message while in windoze, then you are infected. The virus NEEDS the OS to respond before it can do it's thing. If the OS doesn't respond, and linux will not respond to a windoze targetted attack unles wine responds, the virus never starts. -- Alma Are these sobig virii Outlook (express) specific, or are other mail clients, say Netscape (on windows) or eudora, vulnerable? In general, any client can be vulnerable. You need to execute the attachment in order to be infected. (Outlook can be configured to execute attachments for you, it was the default last time I used it.) I am not sure, but I think sobig is the same way. The advantage to linux is, even under wine there is a permissions issue to the infection. To be fair, a NT kernel version of windoze could be made secure the same way, I am not sure how usable it would be afterwards -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
[ snips ] On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:37:52 + Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith Antoine wrote: BTW was there loss of life or did they ALL get away in time. It does seem co-incidental that both continents seem to swap fire hazzard, again is arson part of it too as with us. Mind you Europe copped it this time as well and the death toll was bigger that we ever had. They managed to evacuate everyone with plenty of time to spare, no loss of life. This mess isn't over by a long shot. Since ... in 1982 (I think) they had a similar fire in that area and didn't go anywhere, the idiots ignored it. In 1982 it wasn't anywhere near as dry and heat parched as it has been this year. This is going to be one hell of a summer for many to remember. Sounds much worse than what we had in Colorado past summers. My sympathy for all affected! In addition to the idiot politicians, we have the usual problems building up to a conflagration like this: 1) People like to build in areas that look pretty and green without any thought given to what might happen when it's all ablaze. In the case of towns, the decisions were made decades or centuries ago. 2) Environmentalists are usually opposed to any efforts to thin the forests and remove dead fuel in aging forests near populated areas. The standard argument: Forest management is just clearcutting, but if nature is doing the clearing, that's aok. People who might suffer aren't extremely important. 3) All of the above leaves the way open for arsonists and/or careless people to trigger a disaster. A few of the people who live in the foothills communities west of Denver are now starting to prepare themselves by clearing around their homes and removing excess downed timber. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I've hosed my clock setup
Quoth Kevin O'Gorman: I don't know what I did the last time I went to adjust my machine's clock, but it seems Linux no longer talks nice to the hardware clock. Every time I boot, the clock is off by 7 hours, and for my setup thats usually once a day (no fault of Linux, I just have to shut this off at night). The system is RH 7.3, and the contents of /etc/sysconfig/clock are ZONE=America/Los_Angeles UTC=false ARC=false Do you have an /etc/localtime file? If so, it probably is a symlink to the actual timezone file. I keep the hardware clock in local time because I dual-boot to other OS-es once in a while. Here's what it looks like: Okay. It seems like you should be able to rerun the timezone configuration portion of setup and make sure that everything is copacetic. [EMAIL PROTECTED] rc.d]# /sbin/hwclock -r Fri 15 Aug 2003 07:53:56 AM PDT 0.849306 seconds [EMAIL PROTECTED] rc.d]# /sbin/hwclock -r --localtime Fri 15 Aug 2003 07:54:12 AM PDT 0.268908 seconds [EMAIL PROTECTED] rc.d]# /sbin/hwclock -r --utc Fri 15 Aug 2003 12:54:18 AM PDT 0.280746 seconds [EMAIL PROTECTED] rc.d]# hwclock --hctosys (or hwclock -s) should sync the system time to the the hardware clock. However, on each reboot KDE's clock in the panel, and the 'date' program both report time as if I used UTC; in the above example that was 12:54 AM. I'm baffled and sleepless in California. Presumably, nptdate (deprecated for ntpd -q, it appears) should be able to set your hardware clock to the right time so long as you have an NTP server setup in /etc/ntp.conf. Kurt -- Yesterday I was a dog. Today I'm a dog. Tomorrow I'll probably still be a dog. Sigh! There's so little hope for advancement. -- Snoopy ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO fizzles
Collins Richey wrote: On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:42:54 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoth Joel Hammer: Do you think SCO is pulling a typical lawyers trick? Trying to pollute the jury pool? Anybody who is remotely aware of technical issues will hear all about these issues long before the trial, thus making them ineligible for the jury. Maybe. But I can't honestly say I understand *what* they're doing. I'm not even confident *SCO* knows what they're doing. I'm confident that *SCO* doesn't know WTF they're doing! No one with an iota of sense would take on IBM and their team of lawyers. A month ago I made the same comment, sorta. I've got a friend who worked for ATT maybe 20 years ago until fairly recently. When the Govt. went after them they sent 5 trainlosads of paper to 'em. While the individual jerks at M$ have money, I bet the pockets of IBM are deeper than the M$ company's. Microsloth may, even, have to sell or make more stock to sell to keep this thing alive. As someone said follow the money if it's worth it, IBM has the money. Money buys attorneys. Let's all hope IBM stays with it. I'm old and wise enough to realize right doesn't always win! Bob ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I've hosed my clock setup
Quoth Kevin O'Gorman: On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Kevin O'Gorman: I don't know what I did the last time I went to adjust my machine's clock, but it seems Linux no longer talks nice to the hardware clock. Every time I boot, the clock is off by 7 hours, and for my setup thats usually once a day (no fault of Linux, I just have to shut this off at night). Kevin, Did you ever get this straightened out? Kurt Sort of, but it's a hack. I found that the /var/log/messages stuff started having two different timestamps starting partway through the boot. That was really odd. Details: my RTC is set to local time because I occasionally boot to Windoze. Timestamps were all okay up to where /etc/rc.d/init.d/syslog gets run and tries to do the right thing with the clock, but from then on, the kernel reported times 7 hours off, presumably through klogd. Meanwhile other things continued to report the correct time, presumably through syslogd. All claimed to be PDT times. My hack was to put the line /sbin/hwclock -s --localtime# Local hack This sets the system time from the hardware clock. If you were tinkering with KDE's clock setting function, undo it. I've no idea _how_ to undo it, of course. Here at KurtWerks, I just point ntpd at some public stratum 2 time servers and let ntp do the grunt work. Then again, none of my machines ever boot Windows, so I can set my hardware clock to UTC without worry that Windows will helpfully reset it. in /etc/rc.d/init.d/syslog as the first line of the start() function. I don't understand how, but that fixed it. What's really odd is that as I read things, /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit should have already executed exactly that command. Odd. Kurt -- Yield to Temptation ... it may not pass your way again. -- Lazarus Long, Time Enough for Love ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO fizzles
Quoth Bill Campbell: On Fri, Aug 22, 2003, Kurt Wall wrote: ... Which pretty much removes ESR and RMS from the running. :-) That said, self-promotion notwithstanding, ESR is very good at making complex technical issues clear. However, this is not about complex _technical_ issues, but, rather, about IBM's alleged contract violoations. SCOs trial-by-press-release is calcualated attempt to cloud the core legal issue: did IBM subvert the contract or not? Lawyers and judges in the U.S. today really don't want people on the juries who are bright enough to understand how they're being manipulated. They most certainly don't want people who understand jury nullifcation. So, I don't have to worry about being called to jury duty. It appears to me that the SCO folks like Darl may be trying to establish a possible insanity defense if they're ever charged with attempting to manipulate their stock price. Their most recent charges that IBM is orchestrating the opposition is about the most ridiculous thing I've heard in ages. Come to think of it though, this may be an indication that it really is Microsoft that's behind much of SCO's posturing considering that it was found that M$ was in fact paying people to write letters to the editor and similar activities during their anti-trust trials. Yup, SCO's charge that IBM is the puppetmaster pulling the strings was a clear sign that someone hasn't been taking their medication regularly or in a strong enough dosage. Nonetheless, it was the funniest thing I've heard yet. Kurt -- I have great faith in fools -- self confidence my friends call it. -- Edgar Allan Poe ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
Collins Richey wrote: 3) All of the above leaves the way open for arsonists and/or careless people to trigger a disaster. Dam it! Now we have a fire on the Westbank side of the lake. This fire has started at a log dump. Source of fire unknown. I can't believe this:( -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: We Love The SCO Information Minister
Quoth Bill Campbell: On Sat, Aug 23, 2003, Kurt Wall wrote: This is just too funny. http://www.welovethescoinformationminister.org /me wipes eyes. This brings to mind one of my father's favorite questions which I would love to post to the SCO folks, ``are you as stupid as you appear to be''? The answer is an unequivocal affirmative. Kurt -- The universe is like a safe to which there is a combination -- but the combination is locked up in the safe. -- Peter DeVries ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
Quoth burns: On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 17:44, Keith Antoine wrote: For those interested in this evolvingtragedy... Information first hand from the City of Kelowna: http://castanet.firewatch.net/ Yow. Kurt -- War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ketchup is a vegetable. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
AVI Conversion
Bonjour, List, Can anyone recommend a tool, preferably CLI, for converting AVIs to (something else)? Thanks, Kurt -- You should never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for freedom and liberty. -- Henrik Ibsen ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
Ted Ozolins wrote: Collins Richey wrote: The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. I just learned that the reason that we (here in B. C.) are short of manpower to address these fires is that a Workers Compaensation ruling requires that anyone fighting a forest fire must possess cirtification by the Forestry. snip Not so sure that is as bad as you think. Back in my youth I used to fall timber on fires. Big trees like you have. Back then they would hire a guy that went out and buy a saw for the big bucks. If he didn't kill himself he could do it to a couple others, also. I'm not defending all of their rules or procedures. I have a kid (43 year old kid) who's on one of the special overhead teams for the USFS/BLM/??, the trouble with those teams as I see it is they move in on the locals that know the lay of the land and take over. In '87 they really botched about a quarter million burn around Happy Camp. Some jerk from Arizona tried to light a big back-burn 10 muiles long at the bank of the Klamath River 3 or 4 ridges away from the fire! Fortunatley it was so smokey and cold it wouldn't take. Oh well I'd better quit. I get real radical. Bob ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 07:00, Ted Ozolins wrote: Tom Marinis wrote: Ted Ozolins wrote: Collins Richey wrote: The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. I just learned that the reason that we (here in B. C.) are short of manpower to address these fires is that a Workers Compaensation ruling requires that anyone fighting a forest fire must possess cirtification by the Forestry. I've heard of all kinds of stupidity but this takes the cake. I think its time for a class action suit against WCB. I can not believe that a private organization none of which are elected officials can pass laws. I thought that within the british-north amercan act states that only elected officials can pass laws here. Dang I better drop this. I was just out of highschool, and was tree-planter/firefighter for the summer in and around the Penticton area in mid 1987. The only WCB regs at that time were the requirements for safety gear ( you know, gloves, brain bucket, boots, cover alls ), a manditory 2 hr training course on how to fight forest fires, and a single guy with Industrial First Aid for crew of fire fighters. Back then it was; for every 5 man firefighter crew, you had to have a I.F.A. Level 1 ticket holder in the group. If the crew was 20 or over, the I.F.A. guy had to be LEVEL 3. Now your saying the volunteers firefighters need Forestry Certification ? What the heck is that exactly? Damn, things have changed a lot in BC since the mid 1990's. I never heard about this before, and I live here. Yup, I live here as well and untill now was not aware of it iether. I guess that is why the Canadian forces personel were stuck in Vernon training camp for a while to obtain their training (and not just a couple of hours) This whole thing sucks. The Wildland Fire Fighter certification is pretty well the standard now in Canada and the U.S. My business partner has a separate venture where he converts surplus military transport vehicles into wildland fire fighting equipment (www.erefiresupprot.com). He and all his operators needed to complete the certification before he could enter into contract negotiations with the fire fighting agencies. The basic course was 2 or 3 days. This minimum standard is what allows firefighters to be shared by the various provinces. The minimum U.S. standard in the adjoining states is a one week course. The certification process does reduce the number of persons that could be employed as firefighters. BUT Canada and the U.S. are urbanized to the point that vast majority of people have no idea how to properly swing an axe, operate a chain saw, do not understand what kickback or top fall means in lumber operations, can't sleep comfortably in the forest, do not know which way to fall if caught in the drop path of a water bomber, much less know how to effectively fight a fire. Yeah it sucks but I am not convinced that the certification is really the source of the problem. p.s. did not B.C. have a law suit within the last year or two where some bureaucrat passed a regulation concerning fitness standards for forest fire fighters that effectively prohibited women from fire fighting. -- Ralph Sanford - If your government does not trust you, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - should you trust your government? DH/DSS Key - 0x7A1BEA01 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Bob Hemus wrote: Ted Ozolins wrote: Collins Richey wrote: The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. I just learned that the reason that we (here in B. C.) are short of manpower to address these fires is that a Workers Compaensation ruling requires that anyone fighting a forest fire must possess cirtification by the Forestry. snip Not so sure that is as bad as you think. Back in my youth I used to fall timber on fires. Big trees like you have. Back then they would hire a guy that went out and buy a saw for the big bucks. If he didn't kill himself he could do it to a couple others, also. I'm not defending all of their rules or procedures. I have a kid (43 year old kid) who's on one of the special overhead teams for the USFS/BLM/??, the trouble with those teams as I see it is they move in on the locals that know the lay of the land and take over. In '87 they really botched about a quarter million burn around Happy Camp. Some jerk from Arizona tried to light a big back-burn 10 muiles long at the bank of the Klamath River 3 or 4 ridges away from the fire! Fortunatley it was so smokey and cold it wouldn't take. Oh well I'd better quit. I get real radical. Bob I was listening to an interview with a supervisor from the Ontario team that's out in BC. Apparently most of our Ontario fire fighters are out there working under the guidance of the local folks (as are teams from Montana etc). The supervisor was saying how important it was for this reporting structure as his people weren't used to fighting fires in mountainous terrain. Northern Ontario is basically flat with lots of lakes. In BC they've been on mountain sides with temperatures often well over 30C. The gear they have to carry is heavy and different. Here they don't worry too much about drinking water but it's a major concern in BC. It was an interesting interview. -- Gerry The lyfe so short, the craft so long to learne Chaucer ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO fizzles
On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 15:21, Bill Campbell wrote: snip It appears to me that the SCO folks like Darl may be trying to establish a possible insanity defense if they're ever charged with attempting to manipulate their stock price. Their most recent charges that IBM is orchestrating the opposition is about the most ridiculous thing I've heard in ages. Come to think of it though, this may be an indication that it really is Microsoft that's behind much of SCO's posturing considering that it was found that M$ was in fact paying people to write letters to the editor and similar activities during their anti-trust trials. snip An insanity defense makes a certain amount of sense. Perhaps, however, the recent lunatic ravings of Darl McBride to the SCO forum members that IBM is orchestrating the open source response to the SCO -v- IBM suit may have a less obvious purpose - a first strike to divert attention away from the puppeteers at Microsoft who are pulling SCO's strings, i.e. lie first, lie loud, lie often and repeatedly, and chances are good - well, you get the picture. Out of curiosity, except for a few reports of cash infusions for useless licenses and outdated tech, there seems to have been a fair amount of silence on the MS/SCO connection. Any ideas why? - Rich Thompson ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: AVI Conversion
On 08/23/03 17:58, Kurt Wall wrote: Bonjour, List, Can anyone recommend a tool, preferably CLI, for converting AVIs to (something else)? mencoder, from MPlayer. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 7:15pm up 8 days, 7:46, 1 user, load average: 0.11, 0.06, 0.01 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO fizzles
Quoth Richard Thompson: [deletia] An insanity defense makes a certain amount of sense. Perhaps, however, the recent lunatic ravings of Darl McBride to the SCO forum members that IBM is orchestrating the open source response to the SCO -v- IBM suit may have a less obvious purpose - a first strike to divert attention away from the puppeteers at Microsoft who are pulling SCO's strings, i.e. lie first, lie loud, lie often and repeatedly, and chances are good - well, you get the picture. Out of curiosity, except for a few reports of cash infusions for useless licenses and outdated tech, there seems to have been a fair amount of silence on the MS/SCO connection. Any ideas why? Very little solid evidence on which to base an article. Suspicions are strong but, just yet, there's nothing there there. With the spotlight of anti-trust shining on them, Microsoft must move cautiously. They will undoubtedly make a misstep sooner or later. Kurt -- If a 6600 used paper tape instead of core memory, it would use up tape at about 30 miles/second. -- Grishman, Assembly Language Programming ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Xine slow to start up while probing hardware
xine seems to be working but:
When I issue the command xine, I get a long delay while it probes the audio
hardware.
This is what I see.
xine *asx
This is xine (X11 gui) - a free video player v0.9.21
(c) 2000-2003 by G. Bartsch and the xine project team.
Built with xine library 1.0.0 (1-beta12)
Found xine library version: 1.0.0 (1-beta12).
XServer Vendor: The XFree86 Project, Inc. Release: 40201001,
Protocol Version: 11, Revision: 0,
Available Screen(s): 1, using 0
Depth: 16.
XShmQueryVersion: 1.1.
-[ xiTK version 0.10.3 ]-
-[ xiTK will use XShm ]-
-[ WM type: (EWMH) KWIN {KWin} ]-
Display is not using Xinerama.
main: probing xshm video output plugin
main: probing alsa audio output plugin ---DELAY IS HERE
xine_interface: unknown param 10
xine_interface: unknown param 10
xine_interface: unknown param 10
xine_interface: unknown param 10
video_out_xshm: tried to get unsupported property 2
video_out_xshm: tried to set unsupported property 2
video_out_xshm: tried to get unsupported property 2
Playlist file (082203_5_iraq1.asx) is valid (ASX3).
libmms: stream id 1, bitrate 20362
libmms: audio stream 1, video stream 0
This delay is a minute or so. Any insight appreciated.
Joel
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Re: I've hosed my clock setup
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Kevin O'Gorman: On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Kevin O'Gorman: I don't know what I did the last time I went to adjust my machine's clock, but it seems Linux no longer talks nice to the hardware clock. Every time I boot, the clock is off by 7 hours, and for my setup thats usually once a day (no fault of Linux, I just have to shut this off at night). Kevin, Did you ever get this straightened out? Kurt Sort of, but it's a hack. I found that the /var/log/messages stuff started having two different timestamps starting partway through the boot. That was really odd. Details: my RTC is set to local time because I occasionally boot to Windoze. Timestamps were all okay up to where /etc/rc.d/init.d/syslog gets run and tries to do the right thing with the clock, but from then on, the kernel reported times 7 hours off, presumably through klogd. Meanwhile other things continued to report the correct time, presumably through syslogd. All claimed to be PDT times. My hack was to put the line /sbin/hwclock -s --localtime# Local hack This sets the system time from the hardware clock. If you were tinkering with KDE's clock setting function, undo it. I've no idea _how_ to undo it, of course. Here at KurtWerks, I just point ntpd at some public stratum 2 time servers and let ntp do the grunt work. Then again, none of my machines ever boot Windows, so I can set my hardware clock to UTC without worry that Windows will helpfully reset it. I probably was, but I don't know how to undo it either. I cannot even reconstruct what I did (one of the reasons I'm only lukewarm about GUI sysadmin tools unless they do really good logging). I may have to live with the hack for now. in /etc/rc.d/init.d/syslog as the first line of the start() function. I don't understand how, but that fixed it. What's really odd is that as I read things, /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit should have already executed exactly that command. Odd. Kurt ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Linux server packet loss - stopped occassionally
Hi Few days we are having problem with one of our clients's server(linux 7.1)... Within last few days, we had to reboot the server atleast 12 times... When the server stopped to work - we are checking the *traceroute*.. We are getting that after prceeding upto 10/12 hubs the server is not sending the package... We contacted their server maintainance engineers , they are telling that they have no problem with the router /network...They are maintaining so many servers - if they have problem with router/network then others' servers should have been also under same condition!!! Now their engieers without rebooting the server just did as follows: #ifconfig eth0 down #ifconfig eth0 up #route add default gw 216.240.145.1 Then the server started working Here is the servers ifcfg-eth0 file cofiguration DEVICE=eth0 ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=static IPADDR=216.240.145.47 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 GATEWAY=216.240.145.1 Can anybody help me out to diagnose the problem? Thanks in advance. -Swapna __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:27 am, Collins Richey wrote: SNIP 1) People like to build in areas that look pretty and green without any thought given to what might happen when it's all ablaze. In the case of towns, the decisions were made decades or centuries ago. 2) Environmentalists are usually opposed to any efforts to thin the forests and remove dead fuel in aging forests near populated areas. The standard argument: Forest management is just clearcutting, but if nature is doing the clearing, that's aok. People who might suffer aren't extremely important. 3) All of the above leaves the way open for arsonists and/or careless people to trigger a disaster. A few of the people who live in the foothills communities west of Denver are now starting to prepare themselves by clearing around their homes and removing excess downed timber. This is very much what happens in OZ. There are certain places on this earth where fire is a natural environmental rejuvinator; there are trees and shrubs here that need fire to germinate. So Oz is a place where big fires can and do occur. Yet if there is no fire for a while its DEVELOPED, and people start living there: short term memory is naon existant. Last but not least are the pollies and of course the greenies and arsonists. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
nano-1.2.2 strange output
After upgrading to portage-2.0.49 I ran etc-update and then tried to edit make.conf with nano. Nano produced some blinking blocks of text that said something like painting line 1 new line is. This is not verbatim as I exited nano immediately. Konsole then showed the following: bash-2.05b$ nano -w /etc/make.conf Main: set up windows delete_node(): free'd a node, YAY! delete_node(): free'd a node, YAY! delete_node(): free'd a node, YAY! (snip,snip many,many lines of the same) delete_node(): free'd a node, YAY! delete_node(): free'd last node. delete_opennode(): free'd last node. To me this looks like a virus. What do you think? Everything else seems to be running ok. Portage 2.0.49 (default-x86-1.4, gcc-3.2.3, glibc-2.3.2-r1, 2.4.20-gentoo-r4) = System uname: 2.4.20-gentoo-r4 i686 Pentium III (Katmai) ccache version 2.2 [enabled] ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86 ~x86 lodger -- Powered by GENTOO LINUX ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
WeLoveTheSCOInformationMinister
http://www.welovethescoinformationminister.org/ /me still laughing -- It is illegal to drive more than two thousand sheep down Hollywood Boulevard at one time. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux server packet loss - stopped occassionally
On 08/24/03 00:34, Swapana Ghosh wrote: Hi Few days we are having problem with one of our clients's server(linux 7.1)... Within last few days, we had to reboot the server atleast 12 times... When the server stopped to work - we are checking the *traceroute*.. We are getting that after prceeding upto 10/12 hubs the server is not sending the package... We contacted their server maintainance engineers , they are telling that they have no problem with the router /network...They are maintaining so many servers - if they have problem with router/network then others' servers should have been also under same condition!!! Now their engieers without rebooting the server just did as follows: #ifconfig eth0 down #ifconfig eth0 up #route add default gw 216.240.145.1 Then the server started working Here is the servers ifcfg-eth0 file cofiguration DEVICE=eth0 ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=static IPADDR=216.240.145.47 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 GATEWAY=216.240.145.1 Can anybody help me out to diagnose the problem? Have you checked any logs to see if there are errors? Are there any ipchain/ipfilter rules in place? Can you ssh to the box during the times that it can't see the outside world? How confident are you that the box hasn't been compromised? -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 6:20am up 8 days, 18:47, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: nano-1.2.2 strange output
On 08/24/03 05:57, el lodger wrote: After upgrading to portage-2.0.49 I ran etc-update and then tried to edit make.conf with nano. Nano produced some blinking blocks of text that said something like painting line 1 new line is. This is not verbatim as I exited nano immediately. Konsole then showed the following: bash-2.05b$ nano -w /etc/make.conf Main: set up windows delete_node(): free'd a node, YAY! delete_node(): free'd a node, YAY! delete_node(): free'd a node, YAY! (snip,snip many,many lines of the same) delete_node(): free'd a node, YAY! delete_node(): free'd last node. delete_opennode(): free'd last node. To me this looks like a virus. What do you think? Everything else seems to be running ok. Portage 2.0.49 (default-x86-1.4, gcc-3.2.3, glibc-2.3.2-r1, 2.4.20-gentoo-r4) = System uname: 2.4.20-gentoo-r4 i686 Pentium III (Katmai) ccache version 2.2 [enabled] ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86 ~x86 Looks like you built nano with debugging symbols turned on: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+%22delete_node():+free%27d+a+node,+YAY!%22hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8safe=offselm=handler.111237.D111237.10021739178042.ackdone%40bugs.debian.orgrnum=1 (Google is your friend) -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 6:25am up 8 days, 18:52, 2 users, load average: 0.10, 0.08, 0.03 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: nano-1.2.2 strange output
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 06:27:01 -0700 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08/24/03 05:57, el lodger wrote: Looks like you built nano with debugging symbols turned on: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+%22delete_node():+free%27d+a+node,+YAY!%22hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8safe=offselm=handler.111237.D111237.10021739178042.ackdone%40bugs.debian.orgrnum=1 (Google is your friend) That I did. I'll try it w/o debug! -- Powered by GENTOO LINUX ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: WeLoveTheSCOInformationMinister
On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 14:10, Kurt Wall wrote: http://www.welovethescoinformationminister.org/ /me still laughing Had a good hoot at the site yesterday, but today none of the images are downloading. Trying to force them shows that they are not being served... interesting. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: WeLoveTheSCOInformationMinister
Quoth Shannon Scott: Kurt, I received this message, but you sent it to someone else. How does that happen? Take Care Shannon I BCCed the linux-users mailing list when sending this message to my friend (I meant to CC the list). I have *no* idea what happened to the distribution list between my mail client and the linux-users mailing list, though. Wierd. Kurt -- Truth is the most valuable thing we have -- so let us economize it. -- Mark Twain ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux server packet loss - stopped occassionally
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003, Swapana Ghosh wrote: Hi Few days we are having problem with one of our clients's server(linux 7.1)... Within last few days, we had to reboot the server atleast 12 times... ... Now their engieers without rebooting the server just did as follows: #ifconfig eth0 down #ifconfig eth0 up #route add default gw 216.240.145.1 Then the server started working What type of NIC are you using? Realtek, and many of those running the tulip drivers with non DEC chips can be really flakey. If you're looking for inexpensive, high quality NICs, the 3COM 3c905 series are often available for about $10US. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ A paranoid is a man who knows a little of what's going on. -- William S. Burroughs ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: WeLoveTheSCOInformationMinister
On 24 Aug 2003 10:43:57 -0400 burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 14:10, Kurt Wall wrote: http://www.welovethescoinformationminister.org/ /me still laughing Had a good hoot at the site yesterday, but today none of the images are downloading. Trying to force them shows that they are not being served... interesting. Can we hope that Darl has disappeared so quickly and completely? The aliens got him? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: WeLoveTheSCOInformationMinister
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 13:14, Collins Richey wrote: On 24 Aug 2003 10:43:57 -0400 burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had a good hoot at the site yesterday, but today none of the images are downloading. Trying to force them shows that they are not being served... interesting. Can we hope that Darl has disappeared so quickly and completely? The aliens got him? More likely the sub-human SCO lawyers found the webmaster. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Linux server packet loss - stopped occassionally
Hi .Have you checked any logs to see if there are errors? Are there any ipchain/ipfilter rules in place? Can you ssh to the box during the times that it can't see the outside world? I have checked the log when the server is up but did not get anything from where i can diagnose the problme. ipchains/ipfilter rule , i can't say anything about that - it is done by some other admin. But ofcourse i will ask him and send if i get I tried to do ssh to the server when it is down - obviously we did not get to reach... I checked the server with the *sar* analysis but it is not showing anything related highload, memory or anything to any installation But it is showing some messages which i am giving here:: How confident are you that the box hasn't been compromised? ___ eth0: 10 Mbit, half duplex, no link product info: vendor 00:00:00, model 0 rev 0 basic mode: 10 Mbit, half duplex basic status: no link capabilities: advertising: What type of NIC are you using? Realtek, and many of those running the .tulip drivers with non DEC chips can be really flakey. If you're looking for inexpensive, high quality NICs, the 3COM 3c905 series are often available for about $10US. I have no idea really what type of NIC they are using, as i said this server maintainance part(hardware etc) is under some company We are maintaining only the OS/softwares related matters ...But it is really disgusting when a server does not respond atleast 15 times within 5 days. If you all can help me out this will be really helpful... Thanks again.. -Swapna __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux server packet loss - stopped occassionally
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Swapana Ghosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] professed: ___ eth0: 10 Mbit, half duplex, no link product info: vendor 00:00:00, model 0 rev 0 basic mode: 10 Mbit, half duplex basic status: no link capabilities: advertising: The no link is interesting. Could it be a flakey NIC, cable, or Router port? Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux server packet loss - stopped occassionally
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 14:56, Shawn Tayler wrote: On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Swapana Ghosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] professed: ___ eth0: 10 Mbit, half duplex, no link product info: vendor 00:00:00, model 0 rev 0 basic mode: 10 Mbit, half duplex basic status: no link capabilities: advertising: The no link is interesting. Could it be a flakey NIC, cable, or Router port? I had this happen a couple of years ago with a Realtek 8139C NIC. I swapped out the card and it was fine. Other than that, I have had much better service from these cards than others apparently have. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux server packet loss - stopped occassionally
For my use I love the realteks, not a problem with them. For business use when doing jobs I tend to use 3com 509's, same with modems, give me a good old 3com anytime. On 24 Aug 2003 15:16:51 -0400 - burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: Linux server packet loss - stopped occassionally On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 14:56, Shawn Tayler wrote: On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Swapana Ghosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] professed: ___ eth0: 10 Mbit, half duplex, no link product info: vendor 00:00:00, model 0 rev 0 basic mode: 10 Mbit, half duplex basic status: no link capabilities: advertising: The no link is interesting. Could it be a flakey NIC, cable, or Router port? I had this happen a couple of years ago with a Realtek 8139C NIC. I swapped out the card and it was fine. Other than that, I have had much better service from these cards than others apparently have. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: WeLoveTheSCOInformationMinister
I thought I might dial up the Caldera/SCO website and see if there was a contact us that I might use to send them all a nasty letter but their site seems to be down. Maybe they got cracked? -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd Rather Be Sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO fizzles
Richard Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Aug 2003 18:13:13 -0800 On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 15:21, Bill Campbell wrote: snip It appears to me that the SCO folks like Darl may be trying to establish a possible insanity defense if they're ever charged with attempting to manipulate their stock price. Their most recent charges that IBM is orchestrating the opposition is about the most ridiculous thing I've heard in ages. Come to think of it though, this may be an indication that it really is Microsoft that's behind much of SCO's posturing considering that it was found that M$ was in fact paying people to write letters to the editor and similar activities during their anti-trust trials. snip An insanity defense makes a certain amount of sense. Perhaps, however, the recent lunatic ravings of Darl McBride to the SCO forum members that IBM is orchestrating the open source response to the SCO -v- IBM suit may have a less obvious purpose - a first strike to divert attention away from the puppeteers at Microsoft who are pulling SCO's strings, i.e. lie first, lie loud, lie often and repeatedly, and chances are good - well, you get the picture. Out of curiosity, except for a few reports of cash infusions for useless licenses and outdated tech, there seems to have been a fair amount of silence on the MS/SCO connection. Any ideas why? My guess is that they are not as involved as we would like to believe. Much as SCO's blathering is to the benefit of M$, I don't think they are orchestrating it. Sun is also a backer of SCO with _LOTS_ to lose if linux catches on. Remember that Caldera was birthed by a lawsuit with M$ over DR-DOS not working with Windoze. (They won for big bucks.) The current SCO management does not seem to have a clue how the industry works. That plus equal parts greed and stupidity are sufficient reason for their actions and claims. Much as I _WANT_ M$ to be involved and, more importantly, caught driving this thing it is a far simpler explanation that Darl and Co. are incompetent and want to drive their stock value up anyway. Think about it. They are not old men. Where are they ever going to work as executives again? -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO fizzles
On Sunday 24 August 2003 01:02 pm, Alma J Wetzker wrote: Richard Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Aug 2003 18:13:13 -0800 On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 15:21, Bill Campbell wrote: snip The current SCO management does not seem to have a clue how the industry works. That plus equal parts greed and stupidity are sufficient reason for their actions and claims. Much as I _WANT_ M$ to be involved and, more importantly, caught driving this thing it is a far simpler explanation that Darl and Co. are incompetent and want to drive their stock value up anyway. Think about it. They are not old men. Where are they ever going to work as executives again? Microsoft?? -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd Rather Be Sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Email from 'Microsoft'
Look what I just got, with an attachment patch.exe Microsoft must like me! (Now if I can only figure out how to get IE to run with Wine maybe I can use this patch ;-) pasted email From: Microsoft [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Use this patch immediately ! Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:30:35 -0600 (MDT) Dear friend , use this Internet Explorer patch now! There are dangerous virus in the Internet now! More than 500.000 already infected! /pasted email -- Ian Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Email from 'Microsoft'
That might not be what it claims to be. Would you mind forwarding the patch.exe file you received to me off list? I think it may be something else! Shawn On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:22:12 -0700 Ian Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] professed: Look what I just got, with an attachment patch.exe Microsoft must like me! (Now if I can only figure out how to get IE to run with Wine maybe I can use this patch ;-) pasted email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: Email from 'Microsoft'
Better use it quick. It's from Microsoft after all! :) Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406 FAX www.LynchDigital.com -Original Message- From: Shawn Tayler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 4:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] That might not be what it claims to be. Would you mind forwarding the patch.exe file you received to me off list? I think it may be something else! Shawn On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:22:12 -0700 Ian Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] professed: Look what I just got, with an attachment patch.exe Microsoft must like me! (Now if I can only figure out how to get IE to run with Wine maybe I can use this patch ;-) pasted email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Email from 'Microsoft'
If you are crazy enough to run it G please let us know what it infects you with G. Ian Stephen wrote: Look what I just got, with an attachment patch.exe Microsoft must like me! (Now if I can only figure out how to get IE to run with Wine maybe I can use this patch ;-) pasted email From: Microsoft [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Use this patch immediately ! Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:30:35 -0600 (MDT) Dear friend , use this Internet Explorer patch now! There are dangerous virus in the Internet now! More than 500.000 already infected! /pasted email -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Email from 'Microsoft'
Ian Stephen wrote: Look what I just got, with an attachment patch.exe Microsoft must like me! (Now if I can only figure out how to get IE to run with Wine maybe I can use this patch ;-) Well if it's from Microsoft it's safe to run... :) I always say if AOL, IBM, Microsoft say to forward/run it then it's OK to ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Email from 'Microsoft'
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003, James McDonald wrote: ... Well if it's from Microsoft it's safe to run... :) When has anything from Microsoft been safe to run? Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Systems, Inc. UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries -- Douglas Casey ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
