SUSE vs Knoppix
I am currently using SuSE 8.2 personal and apart from the now well documented problem I am havving recording Wavs I am getting on reasonably ok with it. I have read a lot of favourable press recently about knoppix and wondered if anyone would care to comment on the realative advantages/disadvantages of Suse Vs Knoppix -- Squabsy Using Opera, The Bat, K-meleon, or Becky. Trying to use Linux Right Now Using Fastmail when I should be working ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 06:52, Squabsy wrote: I have read a lot of favourable press recently about knoppix and wondered if anyone would care to comment on the realative advantages/disadvantages of Suse Vs Knoppix I've used Suse 8.2 and find it to be a good distro, especially if you like a smooth gui, with lots of 'bells and whistles' I've not used Knoppix and therefore can't comment on it. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
quoth Squabsy: | I am currently using SuSE 8.2 personal and apart from the now well | documented problem I am havving recording Wavs I am getting on | reasonably ok with it. | I have read a lot of favourable press recently about knoppix and | wondered if anyone would care to comment on the realative | advantages/disadvantages of Suse Vs Knoppix knoppix is great as a bootable cd distribution, which is how many people use it. if you're running a distribution you like and you're running it for production purposes as opposed to fooling around, why consider switching? still, if you d/l and burn the knoppix cd, you can boot it and take a look and see what you think -- that way, you can have both, as well as a dandy way of demonstrating linux to others without having to install it on their machines. and if it turns out that you prefer it to suse, you can always install it after you've driven it around the block, kicked the tires, seen how many miles it gets per gallon, checked its nhtsa front- and side-impact crash test results, and seen if it's ever been in a wreck. -- dep Whatever law is after, it is not the whole story. -- Clifford Geertz ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: I am currently using SuSE 8.2 personal and apart from the now well documented problem I am havving recording Wavs I am getting on reasonably ok with it. I have read a lot of favourable press recently about knoppix and wondered if anyone would care to comment on the realative advantages/disadvantages of Suse Vs Knoppix KNOPPIX Is debian based, SuSE is, well, SuSE. I love KNOPPIX for recovery purposes, but i'd never use Debian on a regular basis. The entire religious 'Gnu/Linux' zealotry combined with what i feel is completely stupid packaging give me a bad taste in my mouth from Debian. I'm a huge Redhat fan, although i know some others on this list are not. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: I am currently using SuSE 8.2 personal and apart from the now well documented problem I am havving recording Wavs I am getting on reasonably ok with it. I have read a lot of favourable press recently about knoppix and wondered if anyone would care to comment on the realative advantages/disadvantages of Suse Vs Knoppix KNOPPIX Is debian based, SuSE is, well, SuSE. I love KNOPPIX for recovery purposes, but i'd never use Debian on a regular basis. The entire religious 'Gnu/Linux' zealotry combined with what i feel is completely stupid packaging give me a bad taste in my mouth from Debian. I'm a huge Redhat fan, although i know some others on this list are not. Just curious. Has Redhat ever given up the philosophy it's a new version, it must be ready for prime time? I know they have released less than reliable versions in the past. Example, there is a new version of GCC that breaks a lot of packages. Is Redhat storming ahead with this like they did a couple of years ago? I'm pretty much isolated from this stuff on gentoo stable, but I read about lots of grief from the early adopters. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Collins Richey wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: I am currently using SuSE 8.2 personal and apart from the now well documented problem I am havving recording Wavs I am getting on reasonably ok with it. I have read a lot of favourable press recently about knoppix and wondered if anyone would care to comment on the realative advantages/disadvantages of Suse Vs Knoppix KNOPPIX Is debian based, SuSE is, well, SuSE. I love KNOPPIX for recovery purposes, but i'd never use Debian on a regular basis. The entire religious 'Gnu/Linux' zealotry combined with what i feel is completely stupid packaging give me a bad taste in my mouth from Debian. I'm a huge Redhat fan, although i know some others on this list are not. Just curious. Has Redhat ever given up the philosophy it's a new version, it must be ready for prime time? I know they have released less than reliable versions in the past. Example, there is a new version of GCC that breaks a lot of packages. Is Redhat storming ahead with this like they did a couple of years ago? No. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
Net Llama! wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: I am currently using SuSE 8.2 personal and apart from the now well documented problem I am havving recording Wavs I am getting on reasonably ok with it. I have read a lot of favourable press recently about knoppix and wondered if anyone would care to comment on the realative advantages/disadvantages of Suse Vs Knoppix Knoppix is a great recovery system and a good linux demo. It can easily be installed to your hard drive. The hardware detection is very good. It's on one cd. It has access to debian archives, which contain huge amounts of software. KNOPPIX Is debian based, SuSE is, well, SuSE. I love KNOPPIX for recovery purposes, but i'd never use Debian on a regular basis. The entire religious 'Gnu/Linux' zealotry combined with what i feel is completely stupid packaging give me a bad taste in my mouth from Debian. I'm a huge Redhat fan, although i know some others on this list are not. Gotta ask. What is so stupid about what I consider the best packaging/updating scheme out there. (sorry, haven't tried gentoo) You can keep debian updated using only a couple of commands once in a while. (apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade) I just installed debian 3.0 to an old compaq with no cdrom (broken) using floppies and the internet install. Then did apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade a few times while interspersing apt-get -f install to correct dependencies, and it's functional. Wouldn't want to try it with dialup, but it worked. I hear a lot about debian zealotry. Guess I don't see that, but am certainly open to an explanation... -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Ken Moffat wrote: KNOPPIX Is debian based, SuSE is, well, SuSE. I love KNOPPIX for recovery purposes, but i'd never use Debian on a regular basis. The entire religious 'Gnu/Linux' zealotry combined with what i feel is completely stupid packaging give me a bad taste in my mouth from Debian. I'm a huge Redhat fan, although i know some others on this list are not. Gotta ask. What is so stupid about what I consider the best packaging/updating scheme out there. (sorry, haven't tried gentoo) You can keep debian updated using only a couple of commands once in a while. (apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade) Not if you want to compile from source. I want what I install to be optomized for my hardware environment. I've yet to find any easy way of doing that in Debian. I hear a lot about debian zealotry. Guess I don't see that, but am certainly open to an explanation... Calling it 'Gnu/Linux' for starters. Some rather ridiculous requirements about GPL licensing. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
Hi Squabsy- I also use SuSE 8.2pro and Knoppix 3.1/3.2 I would say that Knoppix is a great boot-distro and possibly something to install as a secondary distro on your hard drive, but I'm not sure I would replace SuSE with it. I like the way SuSE has packaged so much software and basically made it work together. While I've never been a big fan of Yast, I think that it's package-conflict/dependency resolution is very good. Furthermore, it was meant to be a full-time distro... Unfortunately I can't say what it is that SuSE has over Knoppix, except that SuSE feels more powerful and is supported on all the servers I use so Desktop experience transfers well. Also, while Knoppix has GREAT hw-autoconfig capabilities, I don't believe they support quite as much as SuSE or have permanent tools to configure them? (like my Video-In stuff?) APT-GET works with both deb and rpm packages, although if Knoppix can use the Debian software-stores perhaps it's a better bet? not sure. Let us know what you decide. If you install Knoppix, try it on a different partition and compare them side-by-side. I'd like to hear how they stack up against each other. Also, if you like Knoppix, check out http://www.knoppix-std.org It is a Security-focused distro which has stripped out the office functionality of Knoppix 3.2 and replaced it with every security/hacking tool known to Linux. On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Squabsy wrote: I am currently using SuSE 8.2 personal and apart from the now well documented problem I am havving recording Wavs I am getting on reasonably ok with it. I have read a lot of favourable press recently about knoppix and wondered if anyone would care to comment on the realative advantages/disadvantages of Suse Vs Knoppix Knoppix is a great recovery system and a good linux demo. It can easily be installed to your hard drive. The hardware detection is very good. It's on one cd. It has access to debian archives, which contain huge amounts of software. KNOPPIX Is debian based, SuSE is, well, SuSE. I love KNOPPIX for recovery purposes, but i'd never use Debian on a regular basis. The entire religious 'Gnu/Linux' zealotry combined with what i feel is completely stupid packaging give me a bad taste in my mouth from Debian. I'm a huge Redhat fan, although i know some others on this list are not. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
Net Llama! wrote: Gotta ask. What is so stupid about what I consider the best packaging/updating scheme out there. (sorry, haven't tried gentoo) You can keep debian updated using only a couple of commands once in a while. (apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade) Not if you want to compile from source. I want what I install to be optomized for my hardware environment. I've yet to find any easy way of doing that in Debian. Hmm... you must mean the src.rpm's that are available on redhat, etc. There is an option to download src.debs using apt-get, also. I haven't tried it. When I want to use source, I just download the source gz file, unpack it, then: ./configure make checkinstall -D This makes a .deb file for easy uninstalling later. Note the second line (from /etc/apt/sources.list), if uncommented, enables source deb downloads. As I said, I haven't tried it. deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free #deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free #deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free I hear a lot about debian zealotry. Guess I don't see that, but am certainly open to an explanation... Calling it 'Gnu/Linux' for starters. Some rather ridiculous requirements about GPL licensing. Yes, agreed; odd requirement. I use Libranet, a debian based distro, which provides an excellent install, a good management tool, and a system that is more up to date than debian stable (quite stale), but not so bleeding edge as debian unstable. It just works, and updates are a breeze. -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Ken Moffat wrote: Net Llama! wrote: Gotta ask. What is so stupid about what I consider the best packaging/updating scheme out there. (sorry, haven't tried gentoo) You can keep debian updated using only a couple of commands once in a while. (apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade) Not if you want to compile from source. I want what I install to be optomized for my hardware environment. I've yet to find any easy way of doing that in Debian. Hmm... you must mean the src.rpm's that are available on redhat, etc. There is an option to download src.debs using apt-get, also. I haven't tried it. When I want to use source, I just download the source gz file, I'd be really curious on whether source Debs are as easy to deploy as binary. If they are then my concerns are unfounded. unpack it, then: ./configure make checkinstall -D This makes a .deb file for easy uninstalling later. Sure, but if you're going to go that route, then you're not really getting the 'advantage' of debian any longer. its just as simple to do that on a redhat box to give me the RPM at the end. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
Net Llama! wrote: unpack it, then: ./configure make checkinstall -D This makes a .deb file for easy uninstalling later. Sure, but if you're going to go that route, then you're not really getting the 'advantage' of debian any longer. its just as simple to do that on a redhat box to give me the RPM at the end. True, but it does allow easy uninstall of packages compiled from source, unlike the rarely implemented 'make remove' or whatever. And the debian archive is available for most uses. I like the dependency checking built in to deb packages. -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Ken Moffat wrote: KNOPPIX Is debian based, SuSE is, well, SuSE. I love KNOPPIX for recovery purposes, but i'd never use Debian on a regular basis. The entire religious 'Gnu/Linux' zealotry combined with what i feel is completely stupid packaging give me a bad taste in my mouth from Debian. I'm a huge Redhat fan, although i know some others on this list are not. Gotta ask. What is so stupid about what I consider the best packaging/updating scheme out there. (sorry, haven't tried gentoo) You can keep debian updated using only a couple of commands once in a while. (apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade) Not if you want to compile from source. I want what I install to be optomized for my hardware environment. I've yet to find any easy way of doing that in Debian. I hear a lot about debian zealotry. Guess I don't see that, but am certainly open to an explanation... Calling it 'Gnu/Linux' for starters. Some rather ridiculous requirements about GPL licensing. Here's a typical example. I read a glowing review of Knoppix and it's offerings on pick-a-site (I can't remember). There were several dozen comments from various people with positive comments. About third in a row was a typical Debian zealot griping - How dare Knoppix call itself a Debian distro when Knoppix packages some closed software packages with its distro! I don't usually reply to these things, but I felt much better after registering for the service and letting the Debian guy know where he could stuff his opinion. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
Collins Richey wrote: Debian zealot griping - How dare Knoppix call itself a Debian distro when Knoppix packages some closed software packages with its distro! I don't usually reply to these things, but I felt much better after registering for the service and letting the Debian guy know where he could stuff his opinion. There are those, but there are also the rest of us... :-) -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ken Moffat wrote: | Collins Richey wrote: | | Debian zealot griping - How dare Knoppix call itself a Debian distro | when | Knoppix packages some closed software packages with its distro! | | I don't usually reply to these things, but I felt much better after | registering | for the service and letting the Debian guy know where he could stuff his | opinion. | | | | | There are those, but there are also the rest of us... :-) | 50% of the time I'm agreeing with Collins' method, the other 50% I'm the *other* guy. - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 7:56pm up 16 days, 7:37, 13 users, load average: 1.00, 1.04, 1.08 - - 10.0 times 0.1 is hardly ever 1.0. - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/eORZidHQ0m/kEssRAmQmAJ9OJKVGXxHMS1Sl5OIfrVWuXa5mgwCdGaUN nwyG/67oKT/Ai9MSCpDdNX4= =ESd4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:03:06 -0600 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ken Moffat wrote: | Collins Richey wrote: | | Debian zealot griping - How dare Knoppix call itself a Debian distro | when | Knoppix packages some closed software packages with its distro! | | I don't usually reply to these things, but I felt much better after | registering | for the service and letting the Debian guy know where he could stuff his | opinion. | | | | | There are those, but there are also the rest of us... :-) | 50% of the time I'm agreeing with Collins' method, the other 50% I'm the *other* guy. Hey, if you agree with me 50% of the time, you should definitely seek treatment soonest grin. All kidding aside, I have difficulty playing with those who have rigid opinions. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
Quoth Collins Richey: Hey, if you agree with me 50% of the time, you should definitely seek treatment soonest grin. All kidding aside, I have difficulty playing with those who have rigid opinions. So, I'm guessing this means you don't play with yourself? ;-) Kurt -- An Englishman never enjoys himself, except for a noble purpose. -- A. P. Herbert ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE vs Knoppix
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:15:33 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoth Collins Richey: Hey, if you agree with me 50% of the time, you should definitely seek treatment soonest grin. All kidding aside, I have difficulty playing with those who have rigid opinions. So, I'm guessing this means you don't play with yourself? ;-) Cute! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
