Re: Star Office 7
;) ;) ;) Collins Richey wrote: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:31:26 -0600 Jack Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed so... -jhb- -Original Message- From: Rick Sivernell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Star Office 7 Oh, I just turned 57 here in Sept. Hope to die doing two things, ... Sex Computers Hmmm! This is a new concept. Maybe a PDA? -- Atte, Jesús Antonio Santos Giraldo [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Wednesday 05 November 2003 11:45 pm, someone claiming to be Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth dep: quoth Kurt Wall: | 43 passed by here a few days ago... | | It does go whizzing by lately... it gets worse. So I hear. Barely. OK, OK, I admit it... I'm 41, Still the youngest of 4 boys in my family, though... -- RedHat 8.0 Kernel 2.4.20-20.8, KDE 3.1.4, Xfree86 4.2.1 2:35am up 32 days, 5:21, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:41:55 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quoth Kurt Wall: | 43 passed by here a few days ago... | | It does go whizzing by lately... it gets worse. I'm banking on senility making it all less painful. That is why nature invented it, right? -- ++···+ · Roger Oberholtzer · E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]· · OPQ Systems AB · WWW: http://www.opq.se/ · · Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 ·Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 · · 115 34 Stockholm · Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 · · Sweden · Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 · ++···+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
Quoth Roger Oberholtzer: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 20:41:55 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quoth Kurt Wall: | 43 passed by here a few days ago... | | It does go whizzing by lately... it gets worse. I'm banking on senility making it all less painful. That is why nature invented it, right? Oh, I though senility was there to allow us to start and end our lives the same way: peeing our pants. Kurt -- I have to convince you, or at least snow you ... -- Prof. Romas Aleliunas, CS 435 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 23:46:26 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoth Collins Richey: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:31:26 -0600 Jack Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed so... -jhb- -Original Message- From: Rick Sivernell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Star Office 7 Oh, I just turned 57 here in Sept. Hope to die doing two things, ... Sex Computers Hmmm! This is a new concept. Maybe a PDA? Sex with a PDA? Eew. Might be kinda hard on the buttons. ;-) Kurt -- Your lucky number has been disconnected. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Kurt Sex with my wife, please. Computers for me, no pdag here. Darn this is going into the gutter fast. g cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On November 6, 2003 06:53, Rick Sivernell wrote: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 23:46:26 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoth Collins Richey: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:31:26 -0600 Jack Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed so... -jhb- -Original Message- From: Rick Sivernell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Star Office 7 Oh, I just turned 57 here in Sept. Hope to die doing two things, ... Sex Computers Hmmm! This is a new concept. Maybe a PDA? Sex with a PDA? Eew. Might be kinda hard on the buttons. ;-) Kurt -- Your lucky number has been disconnected. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Kurt Sex with my wife, please. Computers for me, no pdag here. Darn this is going into the gutter fast. g cheers Any chance we can make this OT? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: Star Office 7
I agree - this portion should go. My apologies for starting it. -jhb- -Original Message- From: Marianne Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Star Office 7 On November 6, 2003 06:53, Rick Sivernell wrote: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 23:46:26 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoth Collins Richey: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:31:26 -0600 Jack Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed so... -jhb- -Original Message- From: Rick Sivernell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Star Office 7 Oh, I just turned 57 here in Sept. Hope to die doing two things, ... Sex Computers Hmmm! This is a new concept. Maybe a PDA? Sex with a PDA? Eew. Might be kinda hard on the buttons. ;-) Kurt -- Your lucky number has been disconnected. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Kurt Sex with my wife, please. Computers for me, no pdag here. Darn this is going into the gutter fast. g cheers Any chance we can make this OT? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:16:09 +0800 Chong Yu Meng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the youngest here, I expect (I'm 34). But I am also very aware of time being in short supply , but money is also one of my main worries! 43 passed by here a few days ago... -- ++···+ · Roger Oberholtzer · E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]· · OPQ Systems AB · WWW: http://www.opq.se/ · · Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 ·Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 · · 115 34 Stockholm · Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 · · Sweden · Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 · ++···+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:00:39 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have come to the conclusion that my time is worth something. I am now 57, and have only about 5 to 10 years before I get too old to bother much with computers. So, saving time is becoming more important than politics. I am also of the opinion, at least for now, that the open source movement just will not be able to deliver the ease of use of commerical software. What volunteer programmer is going to knock himself out for hours so some lazy non-paying user can have a trouble free software experience? Too often, open source means take it or leave it, blemishes included. I have gotten tired of that. I tip generously at restaurants for good service, so I can't see why I shouldn't pay someone who writes software which saves my time. And, certainly, $30 bucks for a competent suite like Star Office is a bargain. I feel good about supporting both Sun and Lindows, too. I agree. Open source need not mean free. Just open. Of course, if it is open, who will pay (no thread wanted)? I would imagine the same folk who buy a Linux distro over setting one up themselves. I think both Sun and, for a while, Netscape, have a good idea. Let people have the source. Open and free. But if they want someone to package it and test it, pay a bit. I have bought for my own use for Linux: two StarOffice versions, five linux distros (versions), one spreadsheet, various windows connectivity doodads (for evolution, crossover, win4lin). It is worth the small cost to have it, for the most part, work. Especially in job-related things where, age aside, time is never something we have extra capacity. At home, I play. Gentoo. No cost. Except my time. At work, I pay cash. And fix things where I can since the source came with. -- ++···+ · Roger Oberholtzer · E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]· · OPQ Systems AB · WWW: http://www.opq.se/ · · Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 ·Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 · · 115 34 Stockholm · Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 · · Sweden · Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 · ++···+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
Of course, one problem seems to be powerpoint 2002. I have a macro laden powerpoint file I reuse over and over. This file is now 80 megs, without any slides in it. I have tried all the tricks on the Powerpoint FAQ page to reduce the size of the file. Nothing works so far. So, give MS credit for another big fat piece of sloppy programming. You would think with the size of their user base. But, consider the quality of their user base. Joel On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 09:29:24PM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote: Well, have found one drawback in SO 7. It won't open really big powerpoint presentations. On my lindows box with 620 megs, SO7 chokes on a ppt of 340 megs, although it opens a ppt of 150megs just fine. On my windows laptop, with 520 megs, powerpoint handles the large file fine, but it is slow to load. On my old Caldera box, with 800 megs, the smaller files load fine with SO 5.2. With 5.2 the large file loaded after about 10 minutes, but didn't function properly, and finally froze SO. So, this appears to be a limitation of SO, not the hardware. I can load large ppt's on an apple laptop at work, too, and they run fine. Wonder why SO can't handle the larger file? Joel On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:53:11AM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote: I just bought SO 7 from the lindows warehouse. At $30 bucks I figured why not, SO6 works well. An immediate, and welcome difference, is that it starts up much faster. This is actually important for reading documents on the internet. And, wonder of wonders, it doesn't start a second instance of itself when you click on two documents in the file browser to edit. That was a pain in SO6. And it has a macro recorder as well as an editor. Now, this is progress. Has anyone used SO7? Any impressions? Tips? Thanks, Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 21:28 pm, Bill Campbell wrote: My first computer had its only memory on a drum Sounds like either a Bendix G-15 or something from Univac. IBM 850 (IIRC) Drum was run by a drive belt and if there was a power hit, sometimes the belt would snap. One thing that amazed me was walking into the computer room at the Naval Air Station, Whidbey Island, to find not only a Burroughs B-3800, the same type of main frame I managed for years, but an IBM 026 keypunch still in use. This was in 1995! The last time I had to use an 026 was in 1967 or thereabouts. I'll bet somewhere in the gummit they are still using them today. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/05/03 09:12 + ++ No one is listening until you make a mistake. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 21:16, Chong Yu Meng wrote: Bruce Marshall wrote: Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the youngest here, I expect (I'm 34). But I am also very aware of time being in short supply , but money is also one of my main worries! Regards, pascal chong Not quite the youngest. I'm coming in at 33. And I've seen Net Llama mention he is in his 20's, maybe 26. There are a few of us youngun's out here. Tom Wilson McSwain Carpets 513.771.1400 x124 - Sic transit gloria mundi. [So passes away the glory of this world.] -- Thomas `a Kempis ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
I still remember back in the early 70's when in college, we got a new computer. I forget the name, but you programmed it with puncg tape. A demo program asked 10 questions and you could give simple answers, it would then grade you. Everyone including the PhD's wanted to be on the machine. Other than reading and pictures, that was the first real time for e on a computer, good or bad I have been on them since. My wife thinks her place in life is after all of my machines. That is not true. but still have to contend with the unwashed heregrin. Got the new OO 1.1 and it is some what faster, have not had time to really go through it. My new linux user is fighting his new Suse system. Can not comprehind the use of multiple screens, thinks that is a waste of space, says Winders does this winders do that. I just grin and tell in a couple of weeks he will refuse to use winders. I have gotten all of his bussiness data in a windows partion of Fat. Will start tommorrow on setting up wine. Found he has been trying to run systems on 96 m of memory. Yes it is doable, but slow, we upgrade that tommorrow also. He has a HP Pavillion with an 400 mHz celeron cpu. They do sell crap out there. Sooner or later, he will upgrade machies, I get that too. put 512 m mem with a 3 g Hz P IV, he will be flying high in tall cotton. g. Oh, I just turned 57 here in Sept. Hope to die doing two things, ... Sex Computers cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Wednesday 05 November 2003 10:19 am, Rick Sivernell wrote: My new linux user is fighting his new Suse system. Can not comprehind the use of multiple screens, thinks that is a waste of space, says Winders does this winders do that. I just grin and tell in a couple of weeks he will refuse to use winders. I have gotten all of his bussiness data in a windows partion of Fat. Something that may help him if you haven't done it already. Control Center --- Desktop --- Window Behavior --- Traverse through all desktops This will make his (loved) alt-tab key show all tasks no matter what window they are in. He won't even have to know he has multiple desktops. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/05/03 10:37 + ++ It is better to wear out than to rust out. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
Tom Wilson wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 21:16, Chong Yu Meng wrote: Bruce Marshall wrote: Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the youngest here, I expect (I'm 34). But I am also very aware of time being in short supply , but money is also one of my main worries! Regards, pascal chong Not quite the youngest. I'm coming in at 33. And I've seen Net Llama mention he is in his 20's, maybe 26. There are a few of us youngun's out here. I think I got you all beat- I turned 18 just over 2 months ago ;) ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
Robert E. Raymond wrote: Tom Wilson wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 21:16, Chong Yu Meng wrote: Bruce Marshall wrote: Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the youngest here, I expect (I'm 34). But I am also very aware of time being in short supply , but money is also one of my main worries! Regards, pascal chong Not quite the youngest. I'm coming in at 33. And I've seen Net Llama mention he is in his 20's, maybe 26. There are a few of us youngun's out here. I think I got you all beat- I turned 18 just over 2 months ago ;) I remember 18... or was that 28? Ah well, 46 slipped by about 3 weeks ago :-p -- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Slackware-9.1 + Ice WM 1.2.13 -- Alberta Mirror for Linux-SxS.org http://linux-sxs.org/ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: Star Office 7
Indeed so... -jhb- -Original Message- From: Rick Sivernell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Star Office 7 Oh, I just turned 57 here in Sept. Hope to die doing two things, ... Sex Computers ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:31:26 -0600 Jack Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed so... -jhb- -Original Message- From: Rick Sivernell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Star Office 7 Oh, I just turned 57 here in Sept. Hope to die doing two things, ... Sex Computers Hmmm! This is a new concept. Maybe a PDA? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
Quoth Roger Oberholtzer: On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:16:09 +0800 Chong Yu Meng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the youngest here, I expect (I'm 34). But I am also very aware of time being in short supply , but money is also one of my main worries! 43 passed by here a few days ago... It does go whizzing by lately... Kurt -- Good day to let down old friends who need help. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
quoth Kurt Wall: | 43 passed by here a few days ago... | | It does go whizzing by lately... it gets worse. -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
Quoth dep: quoth Kurt Wall: | 43 passed by here a few days ago... | | It does go whizzing by lately... it gets worse. So I hear. Barely. Kurt -- Why do we have two eyes? To watch 3-D movies with. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 0:53 am, Joel Hammer wrote: I just bought SO 7 from the lindows warehouse. At $30 bucks I figured why not, SO6 works well. An immediate, and welcome difference, is that it starts up much faster. This is actually important for reading documents on the internet. And, wonder of wonders, it doesn't start a second instance of itself when you click on two documents in the file browser to edit. That was a pain in SO6. And it has a macro recorder as well as an editor. Now, this is progress. Has anyone used SO7? Any impressions? Tips? Thanks, Joel I'd like to know how they can sell it for $30 when Sun is selling it for $79.95 on their web site. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/04/03 08:38 + ++ The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 08:38:39 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 0:53 am, Joel Hammer wrote: I just bought SO 7 from the lindows warehouse. At $30 bucks I figured why not, SO6 works well. An immediate, and welcome difference, is that it starts up much faster. This is actually important for reading documents on the internet. And, wonder of wonders, it doesn't start a second instance of itself when you click on two documents in the file browser to edit. That was a pain in SO6. And it has a macro recorder as well as an editor. Now, this is progress. Has anyone used SO7? Any impressions? Tips? Thanks, Joel I'd like to know how they can sell it for $30 when Sun is selling it for $79.95 on their web site. In Sweden at a normal-to-high priced on-line site, it is $50 ($63 with tax, yes folks, that is 25%), excluding shipping. On Sun's Swedish site it is $100. No indication of if that includes shipping. Maybe Sun wants to encourage the distributors? Generally a good thing. -- ++···+ · Roger Oberholtzer · E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]· · OPQ Systems AB · WWW: http://www.opq.se/ · · Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 ·Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 · · 115 34 Stockholm · Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 · · Sweden · Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 · ++···+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:53:11 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just bought SO 7 from the lindows warehouse. At $30 bucks I figured why not, SO6 works well. An immediate, and welcome difference, is that it starts up much faster. This is actually important for reading documents on the internet. And, wonder of wonders, it doesn't start a second instance of itself when you click on two documents in the file browser to edit. That was a pain in SO6. And it has a macro recorder as well as an editor. Now, this is progress. Has anyone used SO7? Any impressions? Tips? Only negative experience. Since I get really good results with OpenOffice, I would never pay even $.02 for Star Office. You, on the other hand, may find some particular feature that makes the departure from open software worthwhile. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
Well, I do pay a fee to belong to the lindows warehouse. And, I got only a download, not a boxed set. No user manual, CD, etc. So, Sun didn't have too much overhead selling me this thing. Joel On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:38:39AM -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote: I'd like to know how they can sell it for $30 when Sun is selling it for $79.95 on their web site. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:01:31AM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: Only negative experience. Since I get really good results with OpenOffice, I would never pay even $.02 for Star Office. You, on the other hand, may find some particular feature that makes the departure from open software worthwhile. I have come to the conclusion that my time is worth something. I am now 57, and have only about 5 to 10 years before I get too old to bother much with computers. So, saving time is becoming more important than politics. I am also of the opinion, at least for now, that the open source movement just will not be able to deliver the ease of use of commerical software. What volunteer programmer is going to knock himself out for hours so some lazy non-paying user can have a trouble free software experience? Too often, open source means take it or leave it, blemishes included. I have gotten tired of that. I tip generously at restaurants for good service, so I can't see why I shouldn't pay someone who writes software which saves my time. And, certainly, $30 bucks for a competent suite like Star Office is a bargain. I feel good about supporting both Sun and Lindows, too. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 20:00 pm, Joel Hammer wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:01:31AM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: Only negative experience. Since I get really good results with OpenOffice, I would never pay even $.02 for Star Office. You, on the other hand, may find some particular feature that makes the departure from open software worthwhile. I have come to the conclusion that my time is worth something. I am now 57, and have only about 5 to 10 years before I get too old to bother much with computers. So, saving time is becoming more important than politics. I am also of the opinion, at least for now, that the open source movement just will not be able to deliver the ease of use of commerical software. What volunteer programmer is going to knock himself out for hours so some lazy non-paying user can have a trouble free software experience? Too often, open source means take it or leave it, blemishes included. I have gotten tired of that. I tip generously at restaurants for good service, so I can't see why I shouldn't pay someone who writes software which saves my time. And, certainly, $30 bucks for a competent suite like Star Office is a bargain. I feel good about supporting both Sun and Lindows, too. Joel Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/04/03 20:11 + ++ Friends: People who borrow my books and set wet glasses on them. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
Joel Hammer wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:01:31AM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: snip I have come to the conclusion that my time is worth something. I am now 57, and have only about 5 to 10 years before I get too old to bother much with computers. Oh how you will rue the day you made that comment!! I think I'm getting a little slower (maybe was always slow, but not bright enough to realize it) but, I didn't get to monkey around with a real computer until I was about 60. I had to quit work when I was 2 years younge than you, but I still get some satisfaction trying to learn something. Bob PS I'm 67 your 10 more years. I figure I've got another 20. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
quoth Joel Hammer: | I have come to the conclusion that my time is worth something. I am | now 57, and have only about 5 to 10 years before I get too old to | bother much with computers. So, saving time is becoming more | important than politics. I am also of the opinion, at least for now, | that the open source movement just will not be able to deliver the | ease of use of commerical software. What volunteer programmer is | going to knock himself out for hours so some lazy non-paying user can | have a trouble free software experience? Too often, open source means | take it or leave it, blemishes included. I have gotten tired of that. | I tip generously at restaurants for good service, so I can't see why | I shouldn't pay someone who writes software which saves my time. And, | certainly, $30 bucks for a competent suite like Star Office is a | bargain. I feel good about supporting both Sun and Lindows, too. well, except for the part about being 57, which i guess i hope oneday to be able to say, though i'd just as soon the clock run backwards for 30 years or so, i agree with you. that's why i am so entirely comfortable with textmaker, which is not free, not open source, but is blisteringly fast and very, very stable and powerful. i've done three book proposals with it so far and a load of magazine pieces. i've been *really* unimpressed with openoffice, to the extent of toying with trying to reload staroffice 5.2 -- i use it when i use it for its really good graphics suite, which is all but absent from openoffice. -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
Bruce Marshall wrote: Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the youngest here, I expect (I'm 34). But I am also very aware of time being in short supply , but money is also one of my main worries! Regards, pascal chong ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003, Chong Yu Meng wrote: Bruce Marshall wrote: Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the youngest here, I expect (I'm 34). But I am also very aware of time being in short supply , but money is also one of my main worries! I started learning by making mistakes working on computers in February 1966 (a Bendix G-20 main frame), and have been doing *ix since late 1982. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Guns are no more responsible for killing people than the spoon is responsible for making Rosie O'Donnell fat.'' ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 21:16 pm, Chong Yu Meng wrote: Bruce Marshall wrote: Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the youngest here, I expect (I'm 34). But I am also very aware of time being in short supply , but money is also one of my main worries! I don't think age is a big issue with computers...I've been working with them for 42 years... might as well keep on going... :-) My first computer had its only memory on a drum -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 11/04/03 21:19 + ++ It's as BAD as you think, and they ARE out to get you. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
quoth Chong Yu Meng: | That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in | their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the | youngest here, I expect (I'm 34). But I am also very aware of time | being in short supply , but money is also one of my main worries! money comes and goes. time just goes. -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
Did you adjust the memory settings under options - maybe that will help. I don't use SO but OpenOffice has them so I assume SO does. Joel Hammer wrote: Well, have found one drawback in SO 7. It won't open really big powerpoint presentations. On my lindows box with 620 megs, SO7 chokes on a ppt of 340 megs, although it opens a ppt of 150megs just fine. On my windows laptop, with 520 megs, powerpoint handles the large file fine, but it is slow to load. On my old Caldera box, with 800 megs, the smaller files load fine with SO 5.2. With 5.2 the large file loaded after about 10 minutes, but didn't function properly, and finally froze SO. So, this appears to be a limitation of SO, not the hardware. I can load large ppt's on an apple laptop at work, too, and they run fine. Wonder why SO can't handle the larger file? Joel -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 21:16 pm, Chong Yu Meng wrote: Bruce Marshall wrote: Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the youngest here, I expect (I'm 34). But I am also very aware of time being in short supply , but money is also one of my main worries! I don't think age is a big issue with computers...I've been working with them for 42 years... might as well keep on going... :-) My first computer had its only memory on a drum Sounds like either a Bendix G-15 or something from Univac. One thing that amazed me was walking into the computer room at the Naval Air Station, Whidbey Island, to find not only a Burroughs B-3800, the same type of main frame I managed for years, but an IBM 026 keypunch still in use. This was in 1995! The last time I had to use an 026 was in 1967 or thereabouts. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``If we got one-tenth of what was promised to us in these acceptance speeches there wouldn't be any inducement to go to heaven.'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
Well, have found one drawback in SO 7. It won't open really big powerpoint presentations. On my lindows box with 620 megs, SO7 chokes on a ppt of 340 megs, although it opens a ppt of 150megs just fine. On my windows laptop, with 520 megs, powerpoint handles the large file fine, but it is slow to load. On my old Caldera box, with 800 megs, the smaller files load fine with SO 5.2. With 5.2 the large file loaded after about 10 minutes, but didn't function properly, and finally froze SO. So, this appears to be a limitation of SO, not the hardware. I can load large ppt's on an apple laptop at work, too, and they run fine. Wonder why SO can't handle the larger file? Joel On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:53:11AM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote: I just bought SO 7 from the lindows warehouse. At $30 bucks I figured why not, SO6 works well. An immediate, and welcome difference, is that it starts up much faster. This is actually important for reading documents on the internet. And, wonder of wonders, it doesn't start a second instance of itself when you click on two documents in the file browser to edit. That was a pain in SO6. And it has a macro recorder as well as an editor. Now, this is progress. Has anyone used SO7? Any impressions? Tips? Thanks, Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:12:26 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2003 20:00 pm, Joel Hammer wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:01:31AM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: Only negative experience. Since I get really good results with OpenOffice, I would never pay even $.02 for Star Office. You, on the other hand, may find some particular feature that makes the departure from open software worthwhile. I have come to the conclusion that my time is worth something. I am now 57, and have only about 5 to 10 years before I get too old to bother much with computers. So, saving time is becoming more important than politics. I am also of the opinion, at least for now, that the open source movement just will not be able to deliver the ease of use of commerical software. What volunteer programmer is going to knock himself out for hours so some lazy non-paying user can have a trouble free software experience? Too often, open source means take it or leave it, blemishes included. I have gotten tired of that. I tip generously at restaurants for good service, so I can't see why I shouldn't pay someone who writes software which saves my time. And, certainly, $30 bucks for a competent suite like Star Office is a bargain. I feel good about supporting both Sun and Lindows, too. Joel Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) I don't know how to do the math. I'm 60 (+++) and have never bought any software for linux (---) since my first Caldera installation. I will probably die at the keyboard, but not anytime soon. I also tip generously, but I'm a cheapskate when it comes to software. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Star Office 7
Chong Yu Meng [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:16:09 +0800 Bruce Marshall wrote: Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the youngest here, I expect (I'm 34). But I am also very aware of time being in short supply , but money is also one of my main worries! Grow up doesn't have to mean dry up. These good folks sound so young because they still get excited about learning new stuff. (Some of us are just getting selective about what new stuff to bother with.) My G'ma took her first computer class at 80. It never occured to her that she might be old until she helped sign her daughter up for senior citizens. I just assume that the list are all My kind of people and have fun with new stuff. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Star Office 7
I just bought SO 7 from the lindows warehouse. At $30 bucks I figured why not, SO6 works well. An immediate, and welcome difference, is that it starts up much faster. This is actually important for reading documents on the internet. And, wonder of wonders, it doesn't start a second instance of itself when you click on two documents in the file browser to edit. That was a pain in SO6. And it has a macro recorder as well as an editor. Now, this is progress. Has anyone used SO7? Any impressions? Tips? Thanks, Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
