Re: web site won't work
On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:28:14 -0400 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, ---snip--- check out www.stursula.org and see if you can get the site to come up properly with Konqui, Mozilla or Netscape? Works here, netscape 4.77. The site relies on java maybe that's your setup problem. -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux 2:10pm up 13 days, 1:18, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: web site won't work
Think this could have anything to do with it? titleSt. Ursula School's Fathers Club/title meta name=GENERATOR content=Microsoft FrontPage 5.0 meta name=ProgId content=FrontPage.Editor.Document On Sunday 16 September 2001 11:28, Tim Wunder wrote: Hi folks, My sons' school Fathers' Club has a web site that I can't seem to be able to navigate with any of the browsers I've used under linux. Actually, the only thing that seems to work is MSIE under Winders. On the off chance that I have some sort of config issue, can any of you folks check out www.stursula.org and see if you can get the site to come up properly with Konqui, Mozilla or Netscape? If you can get it to work, I'll back off on my my campaign against the web designer to fix the freakin' thing. Thanks, Tim ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Ronnie == Life can be a dream; or it can be a nightmare it's all in your mind ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: web site won't work
On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 12:28:14PM -0400, Tim Wunder wrote: Hi folks, My sons' school Fathers' Club has a web site that I can't seem to be able to navigate with any of the browsers I've used under linux. Actually, the only thing that seems to work is MSIE under Winders. On the off chance that I have some sort of config issue, can any of you folks check out www.stursula.org and see if you can get the site to come up properly with Konqui, Mozilla or Netscape? If you can get it to work, I'll back off on my my campaign against the web designer to fix the freakin' thing. Thanks, Tim Opera and Netscape 6.1 work only partially. Obviously, you have a MS web this designer. This site is WAY too cute. Likely, it is full of java script commands which work only with explorer. Tell your web designer that the media is NOT the message. Joel ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: web site won't work
I hit it with konquerer and had no problems navigating.. the java buttons on frame menu looked bad text not centered but as stated by Ronnie, the M$ FP 5.0 may have a lot to do with that. On Sunday 16 September 2001 01:15, you wrote: On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:28:14 -0400 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, ---snip--- check out www.stursula.org and see if you can get the site to come up properly with Konqui, Mozilla or Netscape? Works here, netscape 4.77. The site relies on java maybe that's your setup problem. -- Bill Day A.K.A. BadMan RLU#188133 RLM#83358 http://counter.li.org irc.openprojects.net #linux-users MicroShaft is the only company that introduces an OS that is worse than the one it replaces. --- 2:30pm up 46 days, 4:31, 25 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: web site won't work
On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:15:44 -0400 Jerry McBride wrote: On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:28:14 -0400 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, ---snip--- check out www.stursula.org and see if you can get the site to come up properly with Konqui, Mozilla or Netscape? Works here, netscape 4.77. The site relies on java maybe that's your setup problem. Tell'em the new version of IE doesn't come with Java support. 8-) -- --- | Alan K. Jackson| To see a World in a Grain of Sand | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, | | www.ajackson.org | Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand | | Houston, Texas | And Eternity in an hour. - Blake | --- ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: web site won't work
I just tried with RehHat7 and Konqueror. No dice. With java enabled globally, whatever that means, none of the Java stuff worked. Tell that designer to cut it out! Joel ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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I tried netscape 4.7 with java support on linux. I tried netscape 4.7 on windows. Couldn't read the minutes. Badly formed request. IE worked fine. Fire the web designer. He is incompetent. Joel I suspect that frontpage is just incompatiOn Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 02:02:05PM -0500, Alan Jackson wrote: On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:15:44 -0400 Jerry McBride wrote: On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:28:14 -0400 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, ---snip--- check out www.stursula.org and see if you can get the site to come up properly with Konqui, Mozilla or Netscape? Works here, netscape 4.77. The site relies on java maybe that's your setup problem. Tell'em the new version of IE doesn't come with Java support. 8-) -- --- | Alan K. Jackson| To see a World in a Grain of Sand | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, | | www.ajackson.org | Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand | | Houston, Texas | And Eternity in an hour. - Blake | --- ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: web site won't work
Alan Jackson wrote: On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 02:15:44 -0400 Jerry McBride wrote: On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:28:14 -0400 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, ---snip--- check out www.stursula.org and see if you can get the site to come up properly with Konqui, Mozilla or Netscape? Works here, netscape 4.77. The site relies on java maybe that's your setup problem. Works here in Mozilla 0.9.2. Kurt -- My interest is in the future because I am going to spend the rest of my life there. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: web site won't work
I am not kidding about firing the guy. I surf the web all the time with linux and between opera and netscape, there are very few sites I can't do. I don't even have plugins working. If there is no plugin, the web site usually just decays to a lower level of interaction and all is fine. Dump this GUY! Joel ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: web site won't work
Previously, Joel Hammer chose to write: On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 12:28:14PM -0400, Tim Wunder wrote: Hi folks, My sons' school Fathers' Club has a web site that I can't seem to be able to navigate with any of the browsers I've used under linux. Actually, the only thing that seems to work is MSIE under Winders. On the off chance that I have some sort of config issue, can any of you folks check out www.stursula.org and see if you can get the site to come up properly with Konqui, Mozilla or Netscape? If you can get it to work, I'll back off on my my campaign against the web designer to fix the freakin' thing. Thanks, Tim Opera and Netscape 6.1 work only partially. Obviously, you have a MS web this designer. This site is WAY too cute. Likely, it is full of java script commands which work only with explorer. Tell your web designer that the media is NOT the message. Joel Unfortunately, you get what you pay for. Typically, the man who volunteers gets the job. As I am not a web designer, I'm reduced to bitching and moaning. The site doesn't come up for me at all with Konqui (oops, it does come up, sort of... takes forever to load the javascript buttons, but only partially, and looks bad -- man, it's no wonder nobody visits this site). It's also slow to load and looks bad using Netscape 4.7x and won't load with Mozilla under linux 'cause Moz don't know about the JM that I've got installed and I haven't told it about it yet (what it don't know won't hurt it). Perhaps I can improve it by changing my java install. Caldera's Workstation 3.1 apparently uses: [dad@ew31 dad]$ java -version java version 1.3.0 Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition, root-20Apr2001-17:16 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM, Caldera Systems, mixed mode Perhaps a change there would do some good. Any recommendations on Java clients? I reaIly wish he'd get rid of the freakin' java, though, I've complained to him several times. I typically don't surf with Java enabled. But... my pleas fall on deaf ears. The only choice I would seem to have is to volunteer to take over running the site. But that means learning web design and html. Anyone care to recommend a web design tool for the neophite? Regards, Tim ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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I don't have java in my RedHat 7.1 distro in mozilla. I tried to download it but as usual the plugins won't install. Baaa. To heck with plugins. Joel Works here in Mozilla 0.9.2. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: web site won't work
On Sunday 16 September 2001 17:13 pm, Tim Wunder wrote: Unfortunately, you get what you pay for. Typically, the man who volunteers gets the job. As I am not a web designer, I'm reduced to bitching and moaning. The site doesn't come up for me at all with Konqui (oops, it does come up, sort of... takes forever to load the javascript buttons, but only partially, and looks bad -- man, it's no wonder nobody visits this site). It's also slow to load and looks bad using Netscape 4.7x and won't load with Mozilla under linux 'cause Moz don't know about the JM that I've got installed and I haven't told it about it yet (what it don't know won't hurt it). Perhaps I can improve it by changing my java install. Seems to work fine for me under Mozilla .9.4. That includes the Java 2 plugin that it will download for you. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/16/01 17:40 + ++ Tell me to stuff it - I'm a taxidermist. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Strange, I tried the site earlier with RH 7.1 and Netscape. Everything worked. However, i believe that IE 6.0 has dropped java??? On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Joel Hammer wrote: I just tried with RehHat7 and Konqueror. No dice. With java enabled globally, whatever that means, none of the Java stuff worked. Tell that designer to cut it out! Joel ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Gerry -- The lyfe so short, the craft so long to learne Geoffrey Chaucer ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: web site won't work
On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:13:26 -0400 Tim Wunder wrote: Anyone care to recommend a web design tool for the neophite? I've written literally thousands of webpages over the past 9 years (yes, ever since the beginning), and all I ever use is vim and sometimes the editor in Netscape. But then I've coded many thousands of lines of code, and never used a tool for that either, except for a text editor. Not using the fancy tools helps enforce the KISS principle as a discipline. -- --- | Alan K. Jackson| To see a World in a Grain of Sand | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, | | www.ajackson.org | Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand | | Houston, Texas | And Eternity in an hour. - Blake | --- ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: web site won't work
On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 05:43:51PM -0500, Alan Jackson wrote: On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:13:26 -0400 Tim Wunder wrote: Anyone care to recommend a web design tool for the neophite? I've written literally thousands of webpages over the past 9 years (yes, ever since the beginning), and all I ever use is vim and sometimes the editor in Netscape. But then I've coded many thousands of lines of code, and never used a tool for that either, except for a text editor. Not using the fancy tools helps enforce the KISS principle as a discipline. Check out http://www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/demoroniser/ ``Correct Moronic Microsoft HTML''. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``When dealing with any spammer, one must always keep in mind that you are dealing with someone who makes their living through forgery, fraud, theft, subterfuge and obfuscation. Stated simply, spammers lie.'' David Ritz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 15:49:15 -0700 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---snip--- Check out http://www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/demoroniser/ ``Correct Moronic Microsoft HTML''. While you're there, browse around a bit and have a look at FLASHBACK. I did and now I use it ALL THE TIME! It's a directory backup utility... great for taking snapshots of your developing java project... Be sure to drop a thank you note... :') -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux 7:25pm up 13 days, 6:33, 3 users, load average: 0.09, 0.07, 0.02 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: web site won't work
Previously, Alan Jackson chose to write: On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:13:26 -0400 Tim Wunder wrote: Anyone care to recommend a web design tool for the neophite? I've written literally thousands of webpages over the past 9 years If I'd written thousands of webpages, I'm sure I could do it with vim. Since I've written, um, 0 webpages, I'd like something that'll give me a little help. I'm playing with the Quanta Plus Beta, which came with the OpenLinux 3.1, but the help doesn't appear to be installed. Perhaps I'll try it with Netscape's Composer (or maybe even Mozilla's...). ...(yes, ever since the beginning), and all I ever use is vim and sometimes the editor in Netscape. But then I've coded many thousands of lines of code, and never used a tool for that either, except for a text editor. Not using the fancy tools helps enforce the KISS principle as a discipline. Well, that's the point of my trying to do this. I'd really like a simpler web page for the club, and fancy tools aren't necessary, just something that'll help the newbie along a little. Regards, Tim ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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It doesn't work on my NT4 IE5.00 box either. Building a functional webstie requires a bit of forethought and proper use of tools to reach your intended audience. This site would be fine for an intranet with IE 5.5 or better on all machines. Unfortunatly, for the internet and cross platform portability Frontpage might not meet your goals. Unless of course your goals are to limit your targeted audience to newer IE versions which I dont believe is your intent. If you use buttons and links you can have the same effect with javascript instead of java for the rollovers. Many use frontpage for internet use and its really only suited for intranet use if you use all the bells and whistles. FP is a prime example of why so many professionals distain its users as clueless newbies pretending they know whats going on. Different apps can be used to create the design but the basic process remains the same. The basic layout is put down. Intended audiance, level of glitz, ADA compliance, html level. Sections, catagories, departments, functions, whatever, any sub-sections and their individual pages. Logo design(if needed) and placement, motto, mission statement, slogan use/placement. Care is taken to keep every thing within two clicks. Need header/footer, sub header/footer, PHP/SSI. Colors, borders, accent, background set. Theme set, framed, umframed, navigation, top/bottom/side, overall look, corporate, tecno, comtemporary, local/regional/geographical.Search engine placement. Server concerns, special configurations or apps. Scripted or DB's apps, searches, guestbooks,whatever. The use of graphics and their placement and what they should convey are discussed. This is done beween the designer(s) and the client/person incharge of the site. All the above may entail more than one meeting. Content: gathered as soon as basic layout is set and edited to fit pages/content theme as needed. Pictures, slides, CD's are also gathered and grouped to their intended placement/use within the pages and headers/footers. This can be either in-house or in conjunction with the clients people. Content is finalized and pics/articles are selected for use. Index page design is done full sized in a graphic app. Header and footer created if needed. Individual buttons/texts made. Graphic sliced to create rollovers and load speed. Scanned pics/ articles whatever reduced/sized. Fully functional index page is created. Any catagory/sub-catagory, etc templates are created. Website structure/tree created. Templates are used as needed to insert content(into which the editors have thoughtfuly inserted breaks,para's,bolding,etc.). Scripts are also written to digest and format content into templates if needed. Much easier when you are talking 50,100,200 or more pages. scanner, doc feeder, OCR(omnipage), spellcheck, run through script. You can do the same for scanned graphics to size and convert a whole folder full. end design for the web 101 intro I do the scripting and batching on linux and designing on windows NT with Homesite, Photoshop/ImageReady. On Sunday 16 September 2001 16:13, Tim Wunder wrote: Unfortunately, you get what you pay for. Typically, the man who volunteers gets the job. As I am not a web designer, I'm reduced to bitching and moaning. The site doesn't come up for me at all with Konqui (oops, it does come up, sort of... takes forever to load the javascript buttons, but only partially, and looks bad -- man, it's no wonder nobody visits this site). It's also slow to load and looks bad using Netscape 4.7x and won't load with Mozilla under linux 'cause Moz don't know about the JM that I've got installed and I haven't told it about it yet (what it don't know won't hurt it). Perhaps I can improve it by changing my java install. Caldera's Workstation 3.1 apparently uses: [dad@ew31 dad]$ java -version java version 1.3.0 Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition, root-20Apr2001-17:16 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM, Caldera Systems, mixed mode Perhaps a change there would do some good. Any recommendations on Java clients? I reaIly wish he'd get rid of the freakin' java, though, I've complained to him several times. I typically don't surf with Java enabled. But... my pleas fall on deaf ears. The only choice I would seem to have is to volunteer to take over running the site. But that means learning web design and html. Anyone care to recommend a web design tool for the neophite? Regards, Tim ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Ronnie == Life can be a dream; or it can be a nightmare it's all in your mind ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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I like blue fish. check freshmeat.net There are many pags with HTML design tips. http://www.google.com/search?q=web+design+tutorial and templates to get you started http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=free+webpage+templates and javascripts http://javascript.internet.com/ On Sunday 16 September 2001 20:12, Tim Wunder wrote: Previously, Alan Jackson chose to write: On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:13:26 -0400 Tim Wunder wrote: Anyone care to recommend a web design tool for the neophite? I've written literally thousands of webpages over the past 9 years If I'd written thousands of webpages, I'm sure I could do it with vim. Since I've written, um, 0 webpages, I'd like something that'll give me a little help. I'm playing with the Quanta Plus Beta, which came with the OpenLinux 3.1, but the help doesn't appear to be installed. Perhaps I'll try it with Netscape's Composer (or maybe even Mozilla's...). ...(yes, ever since the beginning), and all I ever use is vim and sometimes the editor in Netscape. But then I've coded many thousands of lines of code, and never used a tool for that either, except for a text editor. Not using the fancy tools helps enforce the KISS principle as a discipline. Well, that's the point of my trying to do this. I'd really like a simpler web page for the club, and fancy tools aren't necessary, just something that'll help the newbie along a little. Regards, Tim ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Ronnie == Life can be a dream; or it can be a nightmare it's all in your mind ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Thanks, Ronnie. I'll check the links out later in the week. I tried to gleen a little css from some sites I've visited, but something's eluding me. The page comes up the way I want with Konqui, but wacked out on Moz 0.9.4 and NC 4.75. Looks like I gotta read a little more... Tim Previously, Ronnie Gauthier chose to write: I like blue fish. check freshmeat.net There are many pags with HTML design tips. http://www.google.com/search?q=web+design+tutorial and templates to get you started http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=free+webpage+templates and javascripts http://javascript.internet.com/ On Sunday 16 September 2001 20:12, Tim Wunder wrote: Previously, Alan Jackson chose to write: On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:13:26 -0400 Tim Wunder wrote: Anyone care to recommend a web design tool for the neophite? I've written literally thousands of webpages over the past 9 years If I'd written thousands of webpages, I'm sure I could do it with vim. Since I've written, um, 0 webpages, I'd like something that'll give me a little help. I'm playing with the Quanta Plus Beta, which came with the OpenLinux 3.1, but the help doesn't appear to be installed. Perhaps I'll try it with Netscape's Composer (or maybe even Mozilla's...). ...(yes, ever since the beginning), and all I ever use is vim and sometimes the editor in Netscape. But then I've coded many thousands of lines of code, and never used a tool for that either, except for a text editor. Not using the fancy tools helps enforce the KISS principle as a discipline. Well, that's the point of my trying to do this. I'd really like a simpler web page for the club, and fancy tools aren't necessary, just something that'll help the newbie along a little. Regards, Tim ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
