Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
If you try to make it idiot proof, they'll just make a better idiot! -- Original message from "Frank Leslie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: -- It's just coincidence after this thread, but last night in downtown Melbourne (Florida of course), a woman about 35 y.o. with a man in tow walked out into the street right in front of me without even looking. I stopped about 20 ft from them, they paused in the middle of the lane, and I motioned them on. I had overshot the address I wanted, turned around, and as I proceeded back, here they came again. She strode into the street without looking (neither did he), and again I slowed for them. I predict that she will live about another five years. I was driving a Honda Fit, which is quiet, but louder than an EV. In this case, it wouldn't matter, for they simply weren't paying attention. Education (or loud cars) "just can't cure stupid". Frank From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Ellyatt Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 6:59 PM To: FLEAA Mailing List Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Agreed.. - Original Message - From: Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA) To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Hi Everyone, I have heard this argument brought up a few times over the last year, and have been hearing it made more and more over the last couple of months. It seems the advocates are making great headway with the media and getting great attention. While I agree that some hybrids and EVs are hard to hear, I think mandating that cars produce noise is not the right answer. What do you guys think? I personally enjoy the silence of driving an EV around. The driver should be responsible enough to observe his/her surroundings while driving. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse Shawn ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
It's just coincidence after this thread, but last night in downtown Melbourne (Florida of course), a woman about 35 y.o. with a man in tow walked out into the street right in front of me without even looking. I stopped about 20 ft from them, they paused in the middle of the lane, and I motioned them on. I had overshot the address I wanted, turned around, and as I proceeded back, here they came again. She strode into the street without looking (neither did he), and again I slowed for them. I predict that she will live about another five years. I was driving a Honda Fit, which is quiet, but louder than an EV. In this case, it wouldn't matter, for they simply weren't paying attention. Education (or loud cars) "just can't cure stupid". Frank _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Ellyatt Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 6:59 PM To: FLEAA Mailing List Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Agreed.. - Original Message - From: Shawn <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Waggoner (FLEAA) To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' <mailto:listserv@floridaeaa.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Hi Everyone, I have heard this argument brought up a few times over the last year, and have been hearing it made more and more over the last couple of months. It seems the 'advocates' are making great headway with the media and getting great attention. While I agree that some hybrids and EV's are hard to hear, I think mandating that cars produce noise is not the right answer. What do you guys think? I personally enjoy the silence of driving an EV around. The driver should be responsible enough to observe his/her surroundings while driving. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse Shawn _ ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
Agreed.. - Original Message - From: Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA) To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Hi Everyone, I have heard this argument brought up a few times over the last year, and have been hearing it made more and more over the last couple of months. It seems the 'advocates' are making great headway with the media and getting great attention. While I agree that some hybrids and EV's are hard to hear, I think mandating that cars produce noise is not the right answer. What do you guys think? I personally enjoy the silence of driving an EV around. The driver should be responsible enough to observe his/her surroundings while driving. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse Shawn -- ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
I trust we have reached the end of this discussion. IMHO, we cannot simply ignore advocacy groups, but must strive to find a solution that we agree with. It's not just the blind, but also the deaf. Unfortunately, some of the deaf are walking and talking on their cellphones. Here at Florida Tech, I occasionally see a student walking across a crosswalk on a busy street while ignoring oncoming traffic. They have no awareness of traffic as they are overconfident that cars will always stop for them. Some have been hit, but rarely. So the deaf won't be helped by a sound alert. Strobe lights manually enabled? Likely illegal now. It's really the driver's responsibility to avoid the accident (though in the cellphone talker's case, I'd call it a "negligent"). I was truly impressed when I heard Charles Whalen's EV backing across the lawn grass here on campus -- I could hear the grass crushing, but there was no sound from the car. Frank _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn Kellis Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:18 PM To: FLEAA Mailing List Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Thank you Hugh, This is just what I was thinking when I first heard this absurd argument a few months ago. The best thing we can do is ignore it and not dignify it with another word. As the saying goes, "never argue with a crazy person, people might not know the difference" Best regards, Glenn Hugh E Webber wrote: This is another last-gasp attempt to stop EVs, IMHO; I've seen dozens of even more shaky (and outright bogus) objections to HEVs, EVs and anything that threatens Big Auto or Oil. I drive a bicycle and a pedalcab. If autos should be required to be noisy enough to alert the blind, then States could require bicycles, pedicabs, scooters, skaters, skateboarders and pedalcabs to make noise, and bell all pedestrians. Oh yeah: hydrants, parking meters, utility poles, trafic light signal boxes and traffic signs should sound off constantly, for fear that someone might walk into them. Seriously, people, where do we stop protecting people who are at increased risk because they're out on the street blind, deaf, color-blind or drunk? I smoke cigarettes, and pedalcab passersby continually warn me that I'm gonna die from it. I point to the SUVs in the street in front of me, some driven by drunks, and point out that THAT's what's far more likely to kill me (and not slowly, either!) The signal-to-noise ratio is quite low on this particular trumped-up obstacle to ZEVs. Breathe free, Hugh E Webber Florida Chapter, Electric Auto Association http://www.floridaeaa.org www.eaaev.org Earth Shuttle Pedalcab www.pedalcab.us Please note: message attached _ Hi Everyone, I have heard this argument brought up a few times over the last year, and have been hearing it made more and more over the last couple of months. It seems the 'advocates' are making great headway with the media and getting great attention. While I agree that some hybrids and EV's are hard to hear, I think mandating that cars produce noise is not the right answer. What do you guys think? I personally enjoy the silence of driving an EV around. The driver should be responsible enough to observe his/her surroundings while driving. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse Shawn _ ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
Hi Larry, AC Propulsion does the complete conversion at their facility in California. You would have to arrange for the transportation of any xB you want to be converted to their facility in California. AC Propulsion may, at their discretion, sell someone the components to do a conversion; Shawn and Matt are using AC Propulsion's components in a conversion they are doing, but they are both qualified by AC Propulsion to work on and with components from AC Propulsion. Andrew -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of effect Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:46 AM To: FLEAA Mailing List Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Let's try to keep to supplying alternative solutions and supplying good electro-mechanical advice. 99 % of the time I can back into my driveway or parking spot, so that I can just take off in fwd., therefore visibility is not as much of a problem. It takes a little more time to switch a breaker and a plug to change direction in my configuration. I have a recording of a helicopter I may just use more often in some neighborhoods because my vehicles so low it's hard to see me coming too. By the way, I had a deaf girlfriend and a blind childhood buddy, and I think they'd like us to give them a ride anytime! Hey Andrew: Does A/C Propulsion ship their entire electric package to any Scion Xb owner that wants one? Anyone have any leftover parts. I'm thinking of converting an old VW. Anyone else: Is there a book on designing a hub motor? Larry ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
Let's try to keep to supplying alternative solutions and supplying good electro-mechanical advice. 99 % of the time I can back into my driveway or parking spot, so that I can just take off in fwd., therefore visibility is not as much of a problem. It takes a little more time to switch a breaker and a plug to change direction in my configuration. I have a recording of a helicopter I may just use more often in some neighborhoods because my vehicles so low it's hard to see me coming too. By the way, I had a deaf girlfriend and a blind childhood buddy, and I think they'd like us to give them a ride anytime! Hey Andrew: Does A/C Propulsion ship their entire electric package to any Scion Xb owner that wants one? Anyone have any leftover parts. I'm thinking of converting an old VW. Anyone else: Is there a book on designing a hub motor? Larry ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
Blog sub group? Maybe but...important news NEEDS to be debated. This is a great example of how big oil will devote ALL their resources, we know ho w big those resources are, to crushing the Electric Car. Today I will be with a host of many St. Thomas University students. From the e-mails I have received, they, our future generation of leaders, ARE READY to embrace the alternative electric car. For those who are annoyed by a blip of e-mails that will certainly pass in time, you can't be ready for the fight against big oil if this alone will cause you to flee. Is it time to put fossil fuels and the alternatives that are driving food prices worldwide batty away? The choice is ours to make. Stay tough, stay true. Here's to an even better Electric Car! That should be our focus. Sound devices are cheap and reliable. Triggered when needed. Problem solved. And we look SAFER over the petroleum folks! That's a win! Paul F Renneisen > > > > > > > Thank you Hugh, > > This is just what I was thinking when I first heard this absurd > argument a few months ago. The best thing we can do is ignore it and > not dignify it with another word. > > As the saying goes, "never argue with a crazy person, people might not > know the difference" > > Best regards, Glenn > > > Hugh E Webber wrote: > type="cite"> >This is another last-gasp attempt to stop EVs, IMHO; > I've seen dozens of even more shaky (and outright bogus) objections to > HEVs, EVs and anything that threatens Big Auto or Oil. > > I drive a bicycle and a pedalcab. If autos should be required to be > noisy enough to alert the blind, then States could require bicycles, > pedicabs, scooters, skaters, skateboarders and pedalcabs to make > noise, and bell all pedestrians. Oh yeah: hydrants, parking meters, > utility poles, trafic light signal boxes and traffic signs should > sound off constantly, for fear that someone might walk into them. > > Seriously, people, where do we stop protecting people who are at > increased risk because they're out on the street blind, deaf, > color-blind or drunk? I smoke cigarettes, and pedalcab passersby > continually warn me that I'm gonna die from it. I point to the SUVs > in the street in front of me, some driven by drunks, and point out > that THAT's what's far more likely to kill me (and not slowly, > either!) > > The signal-to-noise ratio is quite low on this particular trumped-up > obstacle to ZEVs. > > Breathe free, > Hugh E Webber > Florida Chapter, Electric Auto Association > href="http://www.floridaeaa.org";>http://www.floridaeaa.orgclass="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" > href="http://www.eaaev.org";>www.eaaev.org > Earth Shuttle Pedalcabhref="http://www.pedalcab.us";>www.pedalcab.us > > Please note: message attached > > > > > > > > > > > > style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Hi > Everyone, > style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: > Arial;"> > style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I have heard this > argument brought up a few times over the > last year, and have been hearing it made more and more over the last > couple of > months. It seems the ‘advocates’ are making great headway with > the > media and getting great attention. While I agree that some hybrids and > EV’s > are hard to hear, I think mandating that cars produce noise is not the > right > answer. What do you guys think? I personally enjoy the silence of > driving an EV > around. The driver should be responsible enough to observe his/her > surroundings > while driving. > style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: > Arial;"> > style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> > href="http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse";>http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse > style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: > Arial;"> > style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Shawn > > > > > ___ > Florida EAA mailing list > href="mailto:listserv@floridaeaa.org";>listserv@floridaeaa.org > href="http://www.floridaeaa.org";>http://www.floridaeaa.org > > > > > > ___ > Florida EAA mailing list > listserv@floridaeaa.org > http://www.floridaeaa.org > __
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
S, basically because of one loud diesel truck, all other cars in a 2 block radius become invisible to the hearing impaired. ---Original Message--- From: Hugh E Webber Date: 2/20/2008 6:35:52 PM To: listserv@floridaeaa.org Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars I was in the Publix parking lot across the street a week or so ago and a car began backing up out of a parking spot. While it was in reverse a voice was coming from it saying This car is backing up constantly. It didnt say anything when it went forward. Jim Millener [EMAIL PROTECTED] JCM II, Inc. 6574 N State Road 7 PMB 102 Coconut Creek, FL 33073 Ph: 954-345-2253 Cell: 954-803-3375 IM: Jim Millener From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] org] On Behalf Of Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA) Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Subject: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Hi Everyone, I have heard this argument brought up a few times over the last year, and have been hearing it made more and more over the last couple of months. It seems the advocates are making great headway with the media and getting great attention. While I agree that some hybrids and EVs are hard to hear, I think mandating that cars produce noise is not the right answer. What do you guys think? I personally enjoy the silence of driving an EV around. The driver should be responsible enough to observe his/her surroundings while driving. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse Shawn <>___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
Thank you Hugh, This is just what I was thinking when I first heard this absurd argument a few months ago. The best thing we can do is ignore it and not dignify it with another word. As the saying goes, "never argue with a crazy person, people might not know the difference" Best regards, Glenn Hugh E Webber wrote: This is another last-gasp attempt to stop EVs, IMHO; I've seen dozens of even more shaky (and outright bogus) objections to HEVs, EVs and anything that threatens Big Auto or Oil. I drive a bicycle and a pedalcab. If autos should be required to be noisy enough to alert the blind, then States could require bicycles, pedicabs, scooters, skaters, skateboarders and pedalcabs to make noise, and bell all pedestrians. Oh yeah: hydrants, parking meters, utility poles, trafic light signal boxes and traffic signs should sound off constantly, for fear that someone might walk into them. Seriously, people, where do we stop protecting people who are at increased risk because they're out on the street blind, deaf, color-blind or drunk? I smoke cigarettes, and pedalcab passersby continually warn me that I'm gonna die from it. I point to the SUVs in the street in front of me, some driven by drunks, and point out that THAT's what's far more likely to kill me (and not slowly, either!) The signal-to-noise ratio is quite low on this particular trumped-up obstacle to ZEVs. Breathe free, Hugh E Webber Florida Chapter, Electric Auto Association http://www.floridaeaa.org www.eaaev.org Earth Shuttle Pedalcab www.pedalcab.us Please note: message attached Hi Everyone, I have heard this argument brought up a few times over the last year, and have been hearing it made more and more over the last couple of months. It seems the ‘advocates’ are making great headway with the media and getting great attention. While I agree that some hybrids and EV’s are hard to hear, I think mandating that cars produce noise is not the right answer. What do you guys think? I personally enjoy the silence of driving an EV around. The driver should be responsible enough to observe his/her surroundings while driving. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse Shawn ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
Would the bumpersticker also be in Braille?
When I did not connect all the dots (This is a purposeful "braille pun") I
figured I might get this response.
The purpose of the bumper sticker would be to help educate the seeing public
that the EV people are taking the needs of the blind as important. If we can
show that, then, perhaps, there will not be onerous, loud sound requirements
placed on the serene EVs and the blind people would know that we are a caring
group of folks.
However, in the PR put out to the blind public the bumpersticker WOULD be in
Braille. :^) Fran
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From: Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA)
To: 'FLEAA Mailing List'
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
That shouldn't be funny, but it is hilarious. ;-)
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Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:11 PM
To: 'FLEAA Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
Would the bumpersticker also be in Braille?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fran
Sullivan-Fahs
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:11 PM
To: FLEAA Mailing List
Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
Shawn, I, too, like the little silence I get with our standard Prius.
However, If I try to think/feel myself into the life of a blind person who
might feel fearful of navigating through a world of mostly sighted people with
only hearing as my major safety sense, I can see them wanted some other kind of
auditory help in knowing where vehicles are. The loud backup beep of the Prius
should provide that and that feature would (I think) be easy to place on a
total electric just for backing (when it is most dangerous).
For going forward what if we had a bumpersticker that said, "EVs Quiet, but
Driver Super Aware"? Then we let the blind people know that we are taking their
concerns to heart. Just brainstorming. Open to dialogue on this. Fran
- Original Message -
From: Jim Millener
To: 'FLEAA Mailing List'
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
I was in the Publix parking lot across the street a week or so ago and a
car began backing up out of a parking spot. While it was in reverse a voice was
coming from it saying "This car is backing up" constantly. It didn't say
anything when it went forward.
Jim Millener
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
JCM II, Inc.
6574 N State Road 7
PMB 102
Coconut Creek, FL 33073
Ph: 954-345-2253
Cell: 954-803-3375
IM: Jim Millener
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn
Waggoner (FLEAA)
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:14 PM
To: 'FLEAA Mailing List'
Subject: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
Hi Everyone,
I have heard this argument brought up a few times over the last year, and
have been hearing it made more and more over the last couple of months. It
seems the 'advocates' are making great headway with the media and getting great
attention. While I agree that some hybrids and EV's are hard to hear, I think
mandating that cars produce noise is not the right answer. What do you guys
think? I personally enjoy the silence of driving an EV around. The driver
should be responsible enough to observe his/her surroundings while driving.
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse
Shawn
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Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
The 1996 EV1 had a reverse-gear warble that sounded as if Eeyore had been kicked in the crotch. Kids at the hotel in Marina del Rey (wher I stayed while renting the "most efficient production vehicle in automotive history" (GM's words) loved it; they ran after my rented EV1 going "EEe-Onnh! EEeee-Onnnh! Breathe free, Hugh E Webber Florida Chapter, Electric Auto Association http://www.floridaeaa.org www.eaaev.org Earth Shuttle Pedalcab www.pedalcab.us Please note: message attached I was in the Publix parking lot across the street a week or so ago and a car began backing up out of a parking spot. While it was in reverse a voice was coming from it saying "This car is backing up" constantly. It didn't say anything when it went forward. Jim Millener [EMAIL PROTECTED] JCM II, Inc. 6574 N State Road 7 PMB 102 Coconut Creek, FL 33073 Ph: 954-345-2253 Cell: 954-803-3375 IM: Jim Millener _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA) Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Subject: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Hi Everyone, I have heard this argument brought up a few times over the last year, and have been hearing it made more and more over the last couple of months. It seems the 'advocates' are making great headway with the media and getting great attention. While I agree that some hybrids and EV's are hard to hear, I think mandating that cars produce noise is not the right answer. What do you guys think? I personally enjoy the silence of driving an EV around. The driver should be responsible enough to observe his/her surroundings while driving. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse Shawn ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
This is another last-gasp attempt to stop EVs, IMHO; I've seen dozens of even more shaky (and outright bogus) objections to HEVs, EVs and anything that threatens Big Auto or Oil. I drive a bicycle and a pedalcab. If autos should be required to be noisy enough to alert the blind, then States could require bicycles, pedicabs, scooters, skaters, skateboarders and pedalcabs to make noise, and bell all pedestrians. Oh yeah: hydrants, parking meters, utility poles, trafic light signal boxes and traffic signs should sound off constantly, for fear that someone might walk into them. Seriously, people, where do we stop protecting people who are at increased risk because they're out on the street blind, deaf, color-blind or drunk? I smoke cigarettes, and pedalcab passersby continually warn me that I'm gonna die from it. I point to the SUVs in the street in front of me, some driven by drunks, and point out that THAT's what's far more likely to kill me (and not slowly, either!) The signal-to-noise ratio is quite low on this particular trumped-up obstacle to ZEVs. Breathe free, Hugh E Webber Florida Chapter, Electric Auto Association http://www.floridaeaa.org www.eaaev.org Earth Shuttle Pedalcab www.pedalcab.us Please note: message attached Hi Everyone, I have heard this argument brought up a few times over the last year, and have been hearing it made more and more over the last couple of months. It seems the 'advocates' are making great headway with the media and getting great attention. While I agree that some hybrids and EV's are hard to hear, I think mandating that cars produce noise is not the right answer. What do you guys think? I personally enjoy the silence of driving an EV around. The driver should be responsible enough to observe his/her surroundings while driving. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse Shawn ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
Yea, like the one on the east side of I95, just south of 10th Ave Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] JCM II, Inc. 6574 N State Road 7 PMB 102 Coconut Creek, FL 33073 Ph: 954-345-2253 Cell: 954-803-3375 IM: Jim Millener _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 5:11 PM To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Hey Jim, Do you mean "Cracker Barrel"? Andrew _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Millener Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:59 PM To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Has anyone approached Crate N Barrel about adding charging stations? It seems like they would be ideal for longer trips since they are typically located along the freeways, and can provide someplace to wait while the EV charges. Jim Millener [EMAIL PROTECTED] JCM II, Inc. 6574 N State Road 7 PMB 102 Coconut Creek, FL 33073 Ph: 954-345-2253 Cell: 954-803-3375 IM: Jim Millener _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA) Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Subject: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Hi Everyone, I have heard this argument brought up a few times over the last year, and have been hearing it made more and more over the last couple of months. It seems the 'advocates' are making great headway with the media and getting great attention. While I agree that some hybrids and EV's are hard to hear, I think mandating that cars produce noise is not the right answer. What do you guys think? I personally enjoy the silence of driving an EV around. The driver should be responsible enough to observe his/her surroundings while driving. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse Shawn BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Millener;James;C.;;II (Jim) FN:James C. Millener II (Jim) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ORG:JCM II, Inc. TITLE:President TEL;WORK;VOICE:(954) 345-2253 TEL;HOME;VOICE:(954) 345-2850 TEL;CELL;VOICE:(954) 803-3375 ADR;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:;;6574 N State Road 7=0D=0APMB 102;Coconut Creek;FL;33073;United States of A= merica LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:6574 N State Road 7=0D=0APMB 102=0D=0ACoconut Creek, FL 33073=0D=0AUnited St= ates of America ADR;HOME:;;6270 NW 58th Way;Parkland;FL;33067;United States of America LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:6270 NW 58th Way=0D=0AParkland, FL 33067=0D=0AUnited States of America EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20070803T215101Z END:VCARD ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
If you can read this bumper sticker, you're too close :-) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA) Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:38 PM To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars That shouldn't be funny, but it is hilarious. ;-) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Leslie Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:11 PM To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Would the bumpersticker also be in Braille? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fran Sullivan-Fahs Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:11 PM To: FLEAA Mailing List Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Shawn, I, too, like the little silence I get with our standard Prius. However, If I try to think/feel myself into the life of a blind person who might feel fearful of navigating through a world of mostly sighted people with only hearing as my major safety sense, I can see them wanted some other kind of auditory help in knowing where vehicles are. The loud backup beep of the Prius should provide that and that feature would (I think) be easy to place on a total electric just for backing (when it is most dangerous). For going forward what if we had a bumpersticker that said, "EVs Quiet, but Driver Super Aware"? Then we let the blind people know that we are taking their concerns to heart. Just brainstorming. Open to dialogue on this. Fran - Original Message - From: Jim Millener <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'FLEAA <mailto:listserv@floridaeaa.org> Mailing List' Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars I was in the Publix parking lot across the street a week or so ago and a car began backing up out of a parking spot. While it was in reverse a voice was coming from it saying "This car is backing up" constantly. It didn't say anything when it went forward. Jim Millener [EMAIL PROTECTED] JCM II, Inc. 6574 N State Road 7 PMB 102 Coconut Creek, FL 33073 Ph: 954-345-2253 Cell: 954-803-3375 IM: Jim Millener _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA) Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Subject: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Hi Everyone, I have heard this argument brought up a few times over the last year, and have been hearing it made more and more over the last couple of months. It seems the 'advocates' are making great headway with the media and getting great attention. While I agree that some hybrids and EV's are hard to hear, I think mandating that cars produce noise is not the right answer. What do you guys think? I personally enjoy the silence of driving an EV around. The driver should be responsible enough to observe his/her surroundings while driving. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse Shawn _ ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
Hey Jim, Do you mean "Cracker Barrel"? Andrew _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Millener Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:59 PM To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Has anyone approached Crate N Barrel about adding charging stations? It seems like they would be ideal for longer trips since they are typically located along the freeways, and can provide someplace to wait while the EV charges. Jim Millener [EMAIL PROTECTED] JCM II, Inc. 6574 N State Road 7 PMB 102 Coconut Creek, FL 33073 Ph: 954-345-2253 Cell: 954-803-3375 IM: Jim Millener _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA) Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Subject: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Hi Everyone, I have heard this argument brought up a few times over the last year, and have been hearing it made more and more over the last couple of months. It seems the 'advocates' are making great headway with the media and getting great attention. While I agree that some hybrids and EV's are hard to hear, I think mandating that cars produce noise is not the right answer. What do you guys think? I personally enjoy the silence of driving an EV around. The driver should be responsible enough to observe his/her surroundings while driving. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse Shawn ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
Shawn, I totally agree. I would really like to do away with noise pollution as well as air pollution. Noise causes stress and has a negative affect on people just as air pollution does. Andrew _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA) Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Subject: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Hi Everyone, I have heard this argument brought up a few times over the last year, and have been hearing it made more and more over the last couple of months. It seems the 'advocates' are making great headway with the media and getting great attention. While I agree that some hybrids and EV's are hard to hear, I think mandating that cars produce noise is not the right answer. What do you guys think? I personally enjoy the silence of driving an EV around. The driver should be responsible enough to observe his/her surroundings while driving. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse Shawn ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
Would the bumpersticker also be in Braille? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fran Sullivan-Fahs Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:11 PM To: FLEAA Mailing List Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Shawn, I, too, like the little silence I get with our standard Prius. However, If I try to think/feel myself into the life of a blind person who might feel fearful of navigating through a world of mostly sighted people with only hearing as my major safety sense, I can see them wanted some other kind of auditory help in knowing where vehicles are. The loud backup beep of the Prius should provide that and that feature would (I think) be easy to place on a total electric just for backing (when it is most dangerous). For going forward what if we had a bumpersticker that said, "EVs Quiet, but Driver Super Aware"? Then we let the blind people know that we are taking their concerns to heart. Just brainstorming. Open to dialogue on this. Fran - Original Message - From: Jim <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Millener To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' <mailto:listserv@floridaeaa.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars I was in the Publix parking lot across the street a week or so ago and a car began backing up out of a parking spot. While it was in reverse a voice was coming from it saying "This car is backing up" constantly. It didn't say anything when it went forward. Jim Millener [EMAIL PROTECTED] JCM II, Inc. 6574 N State Road 7 PMB 102 Coconut Creek, FL 33073 Ph: 954-345-2253 Cell: 954-803-3375 IM: Jim Millener _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA) Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Subject: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Hi Everyone, I have heard this argument brought up a few times over the last year, and have been hearing it made more and more over the last couple of months. It seems the 'advocates' are making great headway with the media and getting great attention. While I agree that some hybrids and EV's are hard to hear, I think mandating that cars produce noise is not the right answer. What do you guys think? I personally enjoy the silence of driving an EV around. The driver should be responsible enough to observe his/her surroundings while driving. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse Shawn _ ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
That shouldn't be funny, but it is hilarious. ;-) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Leslie Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:11 PM To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Would the bumpersticker also be in Braille? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fran Sullivan-Fahs Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:11 PM To: FLEAA Mailing List Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Shawn, I, too, like the little silence I get with our standard Prius. However, If I try to think/feel myself into the life of a blind person who might feel fearful of navigating through a world of mostly sighted people with only hearing as my major safety sense, I can see them wanted some other kind of auditory help in knowing where vehicles are. The loud backup beep of the Prius should provide that and that feature would (I think) be easy to place on a total electric just for backing (when it is most dangerous). For going forward what if we had a bumpersticker that said, "EVs Quiet, but Driver Super Aware"? Then we let the blind people know that we are taking their concerns to heart. Just brainstorming. Open to dialogue on this. Fran - Original Message - From: Jim Millener <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'FLEAA <mailto:listserv@floridaeaa.org> Mailing List' Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars I was in the Publix parking lot across the street a week or so ago and a car began backing up out of a parking spot. While it was in reverse a voice was coming from it saying "This car is backing up" constantly. It didn't say anything when it went forward. Jim Millener [EMAIL PROTECTED] JCM II, Inc. 6574 N State Road 7 PMB 102 Coconut Creek, FL 33073 Ph: 954-345-2253 Cell: 954-803-3375 IM: Jim Millener _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA) Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Subject: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Hi Everyone, I have heard this argument brought up a few times over the last year, and have been hearing it made more and more over the last couple of months. It seems the 'advocates' are making great headway with the media and getting great attention. While I agree that some hybrids and EV's are hard to hear, I think mandating that cars produce noise is not the right answer. What do you guys think? I personally enjoy the silence of driving an EV around. The driver should be responsible enough to observe his/her surroundings while driving. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse Shawn _ ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
Rattle snakes only rattle when someone is near. Well, isn't that an interesting motion detector thought. This isn't beyond affordable possibilities and the teen drivers might buy em all up before GM can get enough for the Volt. My son just bought a camera from Costco, $ 80, for the back of the SRT 8 which has awful rear visibility. Folks want them anyway. This is NOT an E-vehicle unique problem. Paul F Renneisen Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Hi Everyone, > > > > I have heard this argument brought up a few times over the last year, and > have been hearing it made more and more over the last couple of months. It > seems the 'advocates' are making great headway with the media and getting > great attention. While I agree that some hybrids and EV's are hard to > hear, > I think mandating that cars produce noise is not the right answer. What do > you guys think? I personally enjoy the silence of driving an EV around. > The > driver should be responsible enough to observe his/her surroundings while > driving. > > > > http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse > > > > Shawn > > ___ > Florida EAA mailing list > listserv@floridaeaa.org > http://www.floridaeaa.org > ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
What about Cracker Barrel for plugins? I could just see people having an old fashioned meal and maybe a little rocking in their rocking chairs while their EV sips a little electric nrg for the next leg of the trip. It fits with the "Slow Food Movement". A...Time to savor life! Fran - Original Message - From: Jim Millener To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Has anyone approached Crate N Barrel about adding charging stations? It seems like they would be ideal for longer trips since they are typically located along the freeways, and can provide someplace to wait while the EV charges. Jim Millener [EMAIL PROTECTED] JCM II, Inc. 6574 N State Road 7 PMB 102 Coconut Creek, FL 33073 Ph: 954-345-2253 Cell: 954-803-3375 IM: Jim Millener -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA) Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Subject: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Hi Everyone, I have heard this argument brought up a few times over the last year, and have been hearing it made more and more over the last couple of months. It seems the 'advocates' are making great headway with the media and getting great attention. While I agree that some hybrids and EV's are hard to hear, I think mandating that cars produce noise is not the right answer. What do you guys think? I personally enjoy the silence of driving an EV around. The driver should be responsible enough to observe his/her surroundings while driving. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse Shawn -- ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
I was in the Publix parking lot across the street a week or so ago and a car began backing up out of a parking spot. While it was in reverse a voice was coming from it saying "This car is backing up" constantly. It didn't say anything when it went forward. Jim Millener [EMAIL PROTECTED] JCM II, Inc. 6574 N State Road 7 PMB 102 Coconut Creek, FL 33073 Ph: 954-345-2253 Cell: 954-803-3375 IM: Jim Millener _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA) Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Subject: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Hi Everyone, I have heard this argument brought up a few times over the last year, and have been hearing it made more and more over the last couple of months. It seems the 'advocates' are making great headway with the media and getting great attention. While I agree that some hybrids and EV's are hard to hear, I think mandating that cars produce noise is not the right answer. What do you guys think? I personally enjoy the silence of driving an EV around. The driver should be responsible enough to observe his/her surroundings while driving. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse Shawn BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Millener;James;C.;;II (Jim) FN:James C. Millener II (Jim) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ORG:JCM II, Inc. TITLE:President TEL;WORK;VOICE:(954) 345-2253 TEL;HOME;VOICE:(954) 345-2850 TEL;CELL;VOICE:(954) 803-3375 ADR;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:;;6574 N State Road 7=0D=0APMB 102;Coconut Creek;FL;33073;United States of A= merica LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:6574 N State Road 7=0D=0APMB 102=0D=0ACoconut Creek, FL 33073=0D=0AUnited St= ates of America ADR;HOME:;;6270 NW 58th Way;Parkland;FL;33067;United States of America LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:6270 NW 58th Way=0D=0AParkland, FL 33067=0D=0AUnited States of America EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20070803T215101Z END:VCARD ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
Hi everyone: I think that, instead of the cars making a noise, why not consider a detection device for the blind. A device that may detect the movement or presence of a vehicle, regardless of what propels it? Obviously, the detector would have to gated towards a vehicle somehow. It seems that would be much better than vehicles made to make noise. Nothing is impossible. Harvey Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) **Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598) ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
Shawn, I, too, like the little silence I get with our standard Prius. However, If I try to think/feel myself into the life of a blind person who might feel fearful of navigating through a world of mostly sighted people with only hearing as my major safety sense, I can see them wanted some other kind of auditory help in knowing where vehicles are. The loud backup beep of the Prius should provide that and that feature would (I think) be easy to place on a total electric just for backing (when it is most dangerous). For going forward what if we had a bumpersticker that said, "EVs Quiet, but Driver Super Aware"? Then we let the blind people know that we are taking their concerns to heart. Just brainstorming. Open to dialogue on this. Fran - Original Message - From: Jim Millener To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars I was in the Publix parking lot across the street a week or so ago and a car began backing up out of a parking spot. While it was in reverse a voice was coming from it saying "This car is backing up" constantly. It didn't say anything when it went forward. Jim Millener [EMAIL PROTECTED] JCM II, Inc. 6574 N State Road 7 PMB 102 Coconut Creek, FL 33073 Ph: 954-345-2253 Cell: 954-803-3375 IM: Jim Millener -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA) Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Subject: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Hi Everyone, I have heard this argument brought up a few times over the last year, and have been hearing it made more and more over the last couple of months. It seems the 'advocates' are making great headway with the media and getting great attention. While I agree that some hybrids and EV's are hard to hear, I think mandating that cars produce noise is not the right answer. What do you guys think? I personally enjoy the silence of driving an EV around. The driver should be responsible enough to observe his/her surroundings while driving. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse Shawn -- ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
Re: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars
Has anyone approached Crate N Barrel about adding charging stations? It seems like they would be ideal for longer trips since they are typically located along the freeways, and can provide someplace to wait while the EV charges. Jim Millener [EMAIL PROTECTED] JCM II, Inc. 6574 N State Road 7 PMB 102 Coconut Creek, FL 33073 Ph: 954-345-2253 Cell: 954-803-3375 IM: Jim Millener _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Waggoner (FLEAA) Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: 'FLEAA Mailing List' Subject: [FLEAA] Blind advocates lobby for noisier hybrid cars Hi Everyone, I have heard this argument brought up a few times over the last year, and have been hearing it made more and more over the last couple of months. It seems the 'advocates' are making great headway with the media and getting great attention. While I agree that some hybrids and EV's are hard to hear, I think mandating that cars produce noise is not the right answer. What do you guys think? I personally enjoy the silence of driving an EV around. The driver should be responsible enough to observe his/her surroundings while driving. http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9874568-7.html?tag=nefd.pulse Shawn BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Millener;James;C.;;II (Jim) FN:James C. Millener II (Jim) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ORG:JCM II, Inc. TITLE:President TEL;WORK;VOICE:(954) 345-2253 TEL;HOME;VOICE:(954) 345-2850 TEL;CELL;VOICE:(954) 803-3375 ADR;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:;;6574 N State Road 7=0D=0APMB 102;Coconut Creek;FL;33073;United States of A= merica LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:6574 N State Road 7=0D=0APMB 102=0D=0ACoconut Creek, FL 33073=0D=0AUnited St= ates of America ADR;HOME:;;6270 NW 58th Way;Parkland;FL;33067;United States of America LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:6270 NW 58th Way=0D=0AParkland, FL 33067=0D=0AUnited States of America EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20070803T215101Z END:VCARD ___ Florida EAA mailing list listserv@floridaeaa.org http://www.floridaeaa.org
