Re: Site Ideas
The roles are still there in the pom. Do we still need them? I don't mind removing them. From: Nick Williams nicho...@nicholaswilliams.net To: Log4J Developers List log4j-dev@logging.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Site Ideas Item #4 is now done as well. Nick On May 12, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: As for attribution, not really. The only place attribution really shows up is in svn. If someone really wants to know who wrote a piece of code they will just look at its history. Remember, the ASF is about community. As a committer you get just as much credit (or blame) for all the work I have done as I do. With attribution what you will find is people start emailing you in private off the lists. This has happened to me quite a bit over the last few years. We don't want that as it doesn't serve the whole community. That said, people will still know that you are the async expert when you are the main person answering questions and fixing issues related to it. Ralph On May 12, 2013, at 1:59 AM, Remko Popma rem...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. Agree this looks funny. What I found interesting is that (based on Ralph's link) the developers originally added the time zone in the Actual Time column, intentionally showing local time zone of the viewer. Ironically the intention was to avoid confusion. I'm sure there's a lesson in there somewhere. :-) 2. All right then, remove the roles. Is there a more acceptable way to get attribution for the Async Loggers somewhere on the site? 3. I experimented with it but switching on the pic also adds another column with the pic URL. (Not very useful IMHO. Shall we file another bug/feature request with the maven team? Show pic, without adding pic URL column.) 4. Sounds good. Sent from my iPhone On 2013/05/12, at 9:46, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: Item one This makes no sense to me but see https://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MPIR-68 Item two Normally I would expect the Roles to contain PMC Member, Committer or Contributor, not the parts of the project individuals work on. Item three I don't care one way or the other about images. If you want to see what I look like you can just go to images.google.com and search on my name. You should find two photos; one in a yellow shirt that is several years old from the ApacheCon in Austin, TX and a recent photo from a Flume meetup. Item four I have no problem with the suggestion you are making. Ralph On May 11, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Nick Williams wrote: Guys, There are a couple of things about the site that have been bugging me. I wanted to run some ideas by you and see what you think. Since I can commit now, I can take care of them once we come to a consensus. :-) -- One -- On the Project Team pages, the Actual Time column is wrong for most of us. For those of us in the United States, it's one hour behind. Only for Remko is it right. For example, at 17:38:55 Central Time, here is what it said for all of us: Ralph: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Gary: Sat May 11 2013 17:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 18:38 there) Scott: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Remko: Sun May 12 2013 07:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (the time is correct) Me: Sat May 11 2013 16:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 17:38 here) Not only is the time wrong for four of us, but they ALL say GMT-0500 (CDT), which is obviously incorrect for all of us except me. I did some looking around at other Maven-generated sites, and the problem seems to be the same on all of them. Wrong for people on Daylight Savings Time, and always displaying the wrong time zone for everyone: http://maven.apache.org/team-list.html http://displaytag.sourceforge.net/11/team-list.html This appears to be a problem with the Maven plugin itself, not with our site. The time appears to be calculated dynamically using JavaScript after the page loads. Is anyone aware of any bug reports anywhere concerning this issue? If not, I'll file a bug. -- Two -- On the Project Team pages, I suggest we remove the Roles column. Remko is the only one with any data in that column, and I think that makes it look like he doesn't contribute as much as the rest of us. Remko has contributed more than just what's listed in that column. Is everyone okay with removing that column? -- Three -- On the Project Team pages, none of us have images. I suggest we either add images for all of us or remove the column (as it's taking up unnecessary space). Remko already has an image URL in the POM, but it's commented out. I'm all for images, personally, but what do y'all think? -- Four -- The first item I visited the Log4j2 site, the Download and Build and Install links confused me. The Download page contained links to download the assembly JAR ... makes sense. But no Maven information. The Build
Re: Site Ideas
Per Gary and Ralph, the roles have been changed to PMC Member, Committer, etc. Nick On May 17, 2013, at 10:44 PM, Remko Popma wrote: The roles are still there in the pom. Do we still need them? I don't mind removing them. From: Nick Williams nicho...@nicholaswilliams.net To: Log4J Developers List log4j-dev@logging.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 9:38 AM Subject: Re: Site Ideas Item #4 is now done as well. Nick On May 12, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: As for attribution, not really. The only place attribution really shows up is in svn. If someone really wants to know who wrote a piece of code they will just look at its history. Remember, the ASF is about community. As a committer you get just as much credit (or blame) for all the work I have done as I do. With attribution what you will find is people start emailing you in private off the lists. This has happened to me quite a bit over the last few years. We don't want that as it doesn't serve the whole community. That said, people will still know that you are the async expert when you are the main person answering questions and fixing issues related to it. Ralph On May 12, 2013, at 1:59 AM, Remko Popma rem...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. Agree this looks funny. What I found interesting is that (based on Ralph's link) the developers originally added the time zone in the Actual Time column, intentionally showing local time zone of the viewer. Ironically the intention was to avoid confusion. I'm sure there's a lesson in there somewhere. :-) 2. All right then, remove the roles. Is there a more acceptable way to get attribution for the Async Loggers somewhere on the site? 3. I experimented with it but switching on the pic also adds another column with the pic URL. (Not very useful IMHO. Shall we file another bug/feature request with the maven team? Show pic, without adding pic URL column.) 4. Sounds good. Sent from my iPhone On 2013/05/12, at 9:46, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: Item one This makes no sense to me but see https://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MPIR-68 Item two Normally I would expect the Roles to contain PMC Member, Committer or Contributor, not the parts of the project individuals work on. Item three I don't care one way or the other about images. If you want to see what I look like you can just go to images.google.com and search on my name. You should find two photos; one in a yellow shirt that is several years old from the ApacheCon in Austin, TX and a recent photo from a Flume meetup. Item four I have no problem with the suggestion you are making. Ralph On May 11, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Nick Williams wrote: Guys, There are a couple of things about the site that have been bugging me. I wanted to run some ideas by you and see what you think. Since I can commit now, I can take care of them once we come to a consensus. :-) -- One -- On the Project Team pages, the Actual Time column is wrong for most of us. For those of us in the United States, it's one hour behind. Only for Remko is it right. For example, at 17:38:55 Central Time, here is what it said for all of us: Ralph: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Gary: Sat May 11 2013 17:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 18:38 there) Scott: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Remko: Sun May 12 2013 07:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (the time is correct) Me: Sat May 11 2013 16:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 17:38 here) Not only is the time wrong for four of us, but they ALL say GMT-0500 (CDT), which is obviously incorrect for all of us except me. I did some looking around at other Maven-generated sites, and the problem seems to be the same on all of them. Wrong for people on Daylight Savings Time, and always displaying the wrong time zone for everyone: http://maven.apache.org/team-list.html http://displaytag.sourceforge.net/11/team-list.html This appears to be a problem with the Maven plugin itself, not with our site. The time appears to be calculated dynamically using JavaScript after the page loads. Is anyone aware of any bug reports anywhere concerning this issue? If not, I'll file a bug. -- Two -- On the Project Team pages, I suggest we remove the Roles column. Remko is the only one with any data in that column, and I think that makes it look like he doesn't contribute as much as the rest of us. Remko has contributed more than just what's listed in that column. Is everyone okay with removing that column? -- Three -- On the Project Team pages, none of us have images. I suggest we either add images for all of us or remove the column (as it's taking up unnecessary space). Remko already has an image URL in the POM, but it's commented out. I'm all for images, personally, but what do y'all think? -- Four -- The first item I
Re: Site Ideas
Great, thank you. Gary On May 17, 2013, at 23:54, Nick Williams nicho...@nicholaswilliams.net wrote: Per Gary and Ralph, the roles have been changed to PMC Member, Committer, etc. Nick On May 17, 2013, at 10:44 PM, Remko Popma wrote: The roles are still there in the pom. Do we still need them? I don't mind removing them. -- *From:* Nick Williams nicho...@nicholaswilliams.net *To:* Log4J Developers List log4j-dev@logging.apache.org *Sent:* Tuesday, May 14, 2013 9:38 AM *Subject:* Re: Site Ideas Item #4 is now done as well. Nick On May 12, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: As for attribution, not really. The only place attribution really shows up is in svn. If someone really wants to know who wrote a piece of code they will just look at its history. Remember, the ASF is about community. As a committer you get just as much credit (or blame) for all the work I have done as I do. With attribution what you will find is people start emailing you in private off the lists. This has happened to me quite a bit over the last few years. We don't want that as it doesn't serve the whole community. That said, people will still know that you are the async expert when you are the main person answering questions and fixing issues related to it. Ralph On May 12, 2013, at 1:59 AM, Remko Popma rem...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. Agree this looks funny. What I found interesting is that (based on Ralph's link) the developers originally added the time zone in the Actual Time column, intentionally showing local time zone of the viewer. Ironically the intention was to avoid confusion. I'm sure there's a lesson in there somewhere. :-) 2. All right then, remove the roles. Is there a more acceptable way to get attribution for the Async Loggers somewhere on the site? 3. I experimented with it but switching on the pic also adds another column with the pic URL. (Not very useful IMHO. Shall we file another bug/feature request with the maven team? Show pic, without adding pic URL column.) 4. Sounds good. Sent from my iPhone On 2013/05/12, at 9:46, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: Item one This makes no sense to me but see https://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MPIR-68 Item two Normally I would expect the Roles to contain PMC Member, Committer or Contributor, not the parts of the project individuals work on. Item three I don't care one way or the other about images. If you want to see what I look like you can just go to images.google.com and search on my name. You should find two photos; one in a yellow shirt that is several years old from the ApacheCon in Austin, TX and a recent photo from a Flume meetup. Item four I have no problem with the suggestion you are making. Ralph On May 11, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Nick Williams wrote: Guys, There are a couple of things about the site that have been bugging me. I wanted to run some ideas by you and see what you think. Since I can commit now, I can take care of them once we come to a consensus. :-) -- One -- On the Project Team pages, the Actual Time column is wrong for most of us. For those of us in the United States, it's one hour behind. Only for Remko is it right. For example, at 17:38:55 Central Time, here is what it said for all of us: Ralph: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Gary: Sat May 11 2013 17:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 18:38 there) Scott: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Remko: Sun May 12 2013 07:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (the time is correct) Me: Sat May 11 2013 16:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 17:38 here) Not only is the time wrong for four of us, but they ALL say GMT-0500 (CDT), which is obviously incorrect for all of us except me. I did some looking around at other Maven-generated sites, and the problem seems to be the same on all of them. Wrong for people on Daylight Savings Time, and always displaying the wrong time zone for everyone: http://maven.apache.org/team-list.html http://displaytag.sourceforge.net/11/team-list.html This appears to be a problem with the Maven plugin itself, not with our site. The time appears to be calculated dynamically using JavaScript after the page loads. Is anyone aware of any bug reports anywhere concerning this issue? If not, I'll file a bug. -- Two -- On the Project Team pages, I suggest we remove the Roles column. Remko is the only one with any data in that column, and I think that makes it look like he doesn't contribute as much as the rest of us. Remko has contributed more than just what's listed in that column. Is everyone okay with removing that column? -- Three -- On the Project Team pages, none of us have images. I suggest we either add images for all of us or remove the column (as it's taking up unnecessary space). Remko already has an image URL in the POM, but it's commented out. I'm all for images, personally, but what do y'all think? -- Four -- The first item I visited the Log4j2
Re: Site Ideas
1. I filed bug http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MPIR-278 about the date/time issue. The issue that Ralph linked to was very old, not very-well described, and marked as Won't Fix with comment This is the intended behavior (i.e., the problem wasn't the same as my issue or the problem was misunderstood), so I decided to create a new issue. Some +1s wouldn't hurt. :-) 2. Per Ralph and Gary, and looking at other Maven-generated sites throughout Apache world, I changed our roles to reflect the appropriate of PMC Member and Committer. 3. More research reveals that this image, by default, comes from Gravatar. In fact, if you go to http://logging.apache.org/log4j/2.x/team-list.html you'll see that my image is suddenly appearing now that I have uploaded an avatar to Gravatar. This is because the plugin by default inserts a Gravatar image for your email address, which is the empty avatar if you haven't uploaded one. According to the plugin documentation, you're supposed to be able to use properties/picUrl to override this behavior, and indeed that works. However, as Remko pointed out, that also results in the addition of another column with the URL in it. Yuck. I have filed bug http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MPIR-277 about this. 4. Since everyone seems to agree with this suggestion, I will implement it. Nick On May 12, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: As for attribution, not really. The only place attribution really shows up is in svn. If someone really wants to know who wrote a piece of code they will just look at its history. Remember, the ASF is about community. As a committer you get just as much credit (or blame) for all the work I have done as I do. With attribution what you will find is people start emailing you in private off the lists. This has happened to me quite a bit over the last few years. We don't want that as it doesn't serve the whole community. That said, people will still know that you are the async expert when you are the main person answering questions and fixing issues related to it. Ralph On May 12, 2013, at 1:59 AM, Remko Popma rem...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. Agree this looks funny. What I found interesting is that (based on Ralph's link) the developers originally added the time zone in the Actual Time column, intentionally showing local time zone of the viewer. Ironically the intention was to avoid confusion. I'm sure there's a lesson in there somewhere. :-) 2. All right then, remove the roles. Is there a more acceptable way to get attribution for the Async Loggers somewhere on the site? 3. I experimented with it but switching on the pic also adds another column with the pic URL. (Not very useful IMHO. Shall we file another bug/feature request with the maven team? Show pic, without adding pic URL column.) 4. Sounds good. Sent from my iPhone On 2013/05/12, at 9:46, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: Item one This makes no sense to me but see https://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MPIR-68 Item two Normally I would expect the Roles to contain PMC Member, Committer or Contributor, not the parts of the project individuals work on. Item three I don't care one way or the other about images. If you want to see what I look like you can just go to images.google.com and search on my name. You should find two photos; one in a yellow shirt that is several years old from the ApacheCon in Austin, TX and a recent photo from a Flume meetup. Item four I have no problem with the suggestion you are making. Ralph On May 11, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Nick Williams wrote: Guys, There are a couple of things about the site that have been bugging me. I wanted to run some ideas by you and see what you think. Since I can commit now, I can take care of them once we come to a consensus. :-) -- One -- On the Project Team pages, the Actual Time column is wrong for most of us. For those of us in the United States, it's one hour behind. Only for Remko is it right. For example, at 17:38:55 Central Time, here is what it said for all of us: Ralph: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Gary: Sat May 11 2013 17:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 18:38 there) Scott: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Remko: Sun May 12 2013 07:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (the time is correct) Me: Sat May 11 2013 16:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 17:38 here) Not only is the time wrong for four of us, but they ALL say GMT-0500 (CDT), which is obviously incorrect for all of us except me. I did some looking around at other Maven-generated sites, and the problem seems to be the same on all of them. Wrong for people on Daylight Savings Time, and always displaying the wrong time zone for everyone: http://maven.apache.org/team-list.html http://displaytag.sourceforge.net/11/team-list.html This appears to be a problem with
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Item #4 is now done as well. Nick On May 12, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: As for attribution, not really. The only place attribution really shows up is in svn. If someone really wants to know who wrote a piece of code they will just look at its history. Remember, the ASF is about community. As a committer you get just as much credit (or blame) for all the work I have done as I do. With attribution what you will find is people start emailing you in private off the lists. This has happened to me quite a bit over the last few years. We don't want that as it doesn't serve the whole community. That said, people will still know that you are the async expert when you are the main person answering questions and fixing issues related to it. Ralph On May 12, 2013, at 1:59 AM, Remko Popma rem...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. Agree this looks funny. What I found interesting is that (based on Ralph's link) the developers originally added the time zone in the Actual Time column, intentionally showing local time zone of the viewer. Ironically the intention was to avoid confusion. I'm sure there's a lesson in there somewhere. :-) 2. All right then, remove the roles. Is there a more acceptable way to get attribution for the Async Loggers somewhere on the site? 3. I experimented with it but switching on the pic also adds another column with the pic URL. (Not very useful IMHO. Shall we file another bug/feature request with the maven team? Show pic, without adding pic URL column.) 4. Sounds good. Sent from my iPhone On 2013/05/12, at 9:46, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: Item one This makes no sense to me but see https://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MPIR-68 Item two Normally I would expect the Roles to contain PMC Member, Committer or Contributor, not the parts of the project individuals work on. Item three I don't care one way or the other about images. If you want to see what I look like you can just go to images.google.com and search on my name. You should find two photos; one in a yellow shirt that is several years old from the ApacheCon in Austin, TX and a recent photo from a Flume meetup. Item four I have no problem with the suggestion you are making. Ralph On May 11, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Nick Williams wrote: Guys, There are a couple of things about the site that have been bugging me. I wanted to run some ideas by you and see what you think. Since I can commit now, I can take care of them once we come to a consensus. :-) -- One -- On the Project Team pages, the Actual Time column is wrong for most of us. For those of us in the United States, it's one hour behind. Only for Remko is it right. For example, at 17:38:55 Central Time, here is what it said for all of us: Ralph: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Gary: Sat May 11 2013 17:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 18:38 there) Scott: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Remko: Sun May 12 2013 07:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (the time is correct) Me: Sat May 11 2013 16:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 17:38 here) Not only is the time wrong for four of us, but they ALL say GMT-0500 (CDT), which is obviously incorrect for all of us except me. I did some looking around at other Maven-generated sites, and the problem seems to be the same on all of them. Wrong for people on Daylight Savings Time, and always displaying the wrong time zone for everyone: http://maven.apache.org/team-list.html http://displaytag.sourceforge.net/11/team-list.html This appears to be a problem with the Maven plugin itself, not with our site. The time appears to be calculated dynamically using JavaScript after the page loads. Is anyone aware of any bug reports anywhere concerning this issue? If not, I'll file a bug. -- Two -- On the Project Team pages, I suggest we remove the Roles column. Remko is the only one with any data in that column, and I think that makes it look like he doesn't contribute as much as the rest of us. Remko has contributed more than just what's listed in that column. Is everyone okay with removing that column? -- Three -- On the Project Team pages, none of us have images. I suggest we either add images for all of us or remove the column (as it's taking up unnecessary space). Remko already has an image URL in the POM, but it's commented out. I'm all for images, personally, but what do y'all think? -- Four -- The first item I visited the Log4j2 site, the Download and Build and Install links confused me. The Download page contained links to download the assembly JAR ... makes sense. But no Maven information. The Build and Install page contained Maven information, which was counter-intuitive, but worse the Maven information was BELOW information about building and installing, so you don't actually see it unless you
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1. Agree this looks funny. What I found interesting is that (based on Ralph's link) the developers originally added the time zone in the Actual Time column, intentionally showing local time zone of the viewer. Ironically the intention was to avoid confusion. I'm sure there's a lesson in there somewhere. :-) 2. All right then, remove the roles. Is there a more acceptable way to get attribution for the Async Loggers somewhere on the site? 3. I experimented with it but switching on the pic also adds another column with the pic URL. (Not very useful IMHO. Shall we file another bug/feature request with the maven team? Show pic, without adding pic URL column.) 4. Sounds good. Sent from my iPhone On 2013/05/12, at 9:46, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: Item one This makes no sense to me but see https://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MPIR-68 Item two Normally I would expect the Roles to contain PMC Member, Committer or Contributor, not the parts of the project individuals work on. Item three I don't care one way or the other about images. If you want to see what I look like you can just go to images.google.com and search on my name. You should find two photos; one in a yellow shirt that is several years old from the ApacheCon in Austin, TX and a recent photo from a Flume meetup. Item four I have no problem with the suggestion you are making. Ralph On May 11, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Nick Williams wrote: Guys, There are a couple of things about the site that have been bugging me. I wanted to run some ideas by you and see what you think. Since I can commit now, I can take care of them once we come to a consensus. :-) -- One -- On the Project Team pages, the Actual Time column is wrong for most of us. For those of us in the United States, it's one hour behind. Only for Remko is it right. For example, at 17:38:55 Central Time, here is what it said for all of us: Ralph: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Gary: Sat May 11 2013 17:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 18:38 there) Scott: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Remko: Sun May 12 2013 07:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (the time is correct) Me: Sat May 11 2013 16:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 17:38 here) Not only is the time wrong for four of us, but they ALL say GMT-0500 (CDT), which is obviously incorrect for all of us except me. I did some looking around at other Maven-generated sites, and the problem seems to be the same on all of them. Wrong for people on Daylight Savings Time, and always displaying the wrong time zone for everyone: http://maven.apache.org/team-list.html http://displaytag.sourceforge.net/11/team-list.html This appears to be a problem with the Maven plugin itself, not with our site. The time appears to be calculated dynamically using JavaScript after the page loads. Is anyone aware of any bug reports anywhere concerning this issue? If not, I'll file a bug. -- Two -- On the Project Team pages, I suggest we remove the Roles column. Remko is the only one with any data in that column, and I think that makes it look like he doesn't contribute as much as the rest of us. Remko has contributed more than just what's listed in that column. Is everyone okay with removing that column? -- Three -- On the Project Team pages, none of us have images. I suggest we either add images for all of us or remove the column (as it's taking up unnecessary space). Remko already has an image URL in the POM, but it's commented out. I'm all for images, personally, but what do y'all think? -- Four -- The first item I visited the Log4j2 site, the Download and Build and Install links confused me. The Download page contained links to download the assembly JAR ... makes sense. But no Maven information. The Build and Install page contained Maven information, which was counter-intuitive, but worse the Maven information was BELOW information about building and installing, so you don't actually see it unless you scroll down. Using Log4j on your classpath is also on the Build and Install page, but it makes more sense (to me) on the Download page, as you only need that information if you're manually downloading the binaries. My suggestion: - Download contains what it does now plug Using Log4j on your classpath (moved from the Build and Install page). - New page Maven and Ivy contains all of the Maven and Ivy information from the Build and Install page. - Build and Install gets renamed to Build and contains only information about building Log4j Thoughts? Nick
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As for attribution, not really. The only place attribution really shows up is in svn. If someone really wants to know who wrote a piece of code they will just look at its history. Remember, the ASF is about community. As a committer you get just as much credit (or blame) for all the work I have done as I do. With attribution what you will find is people start emailing you in private off the lists. This has happened to me quite a bit over the last few years. We don't want that as it doesn't serve the whole community. That said, people will still know that you are the async expert when you are the main person answering questions and fixing issues related to it. Ralph On May 12, 2013, at 1:59 AM, Remko Popma rem...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. Agree this looks funny. What I found interesting is that (based on Ralph's link) the developers originally added the time zone in the Actual Time column, intentionally showing local time zone of the viewer. Ironically the intention was to avoid confusion. I'm sure there's a lesson in there somewhere. :-) 2. All right then, remove the roles. Is there a more acceptable way to get attribution for the Async Loggers somewhere on the site? 3. I experimented with it but switching on the pic also adds another column with the pic URL. (Not very useful IMHO. Shall we file another bug/feature request with the maven team? Show pic, without adding pic URL column.) 4. Sounds good. Sent from my iPhone On 2013/05/12, at 9:46, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: Item one This makes no sense to me but see https://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MPIR-68 Item two Normally I would expect the Roles to contain PMC Member, Committer or Contributor, not the parts of the project individuals work on. Item three I don't care one way or the other about images. If you want to see what I look like you can just go to images.google.com and search on my name. You should find two photos; one in a yellow shirt that is several years old from the ApacheCon in Austin, TX and a recent photo from a Flume meetup. Item four I have no problem with the suggestion you are making. Ralph On May 11, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Nick Williams wrote: Guys, There are a couple of things about the site that have been bugging me. I wanted to run some ideas by you and see what you think. Since I can commit now, I can take care of them once we come to a consensus. :-) -- One -- On the Project Team pages, the Actual Time column is wrong for most of us. For those of us in the United States, it's one hour behind. Only for Remko is it right. For example, at 17:38:55 Central Time, here is what it said for all of us: Ralph: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Gary: Sat May 11 2013 17:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 18:38 there) Scott: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Remko: Sun May 12 2013 07:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (the time is correct) Me: Sat May 11 2013 16:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 17:38 here) Not only is the time wrong for four of us, but they ALL say GMT-0500 (CDT), which is obviously incorrect for all of us except me. I did some looking around at other Maven-generated sites, and the problem seems to be the same on all of them. Wrong for people on Daylight Savings Time, and always displaying the wrong time zone for everyone: http://maven.apache.org/team-list.html http://displaytag.sourceforge.net/11/team-list.html This appears to be a problem with the Maven plugin itself, not with our site. The time appears to be calculated dynamically using JavaScript after the page loads. Is anyone aware of any bug reports anywhere concerning this issue? If not, I'll file a bug. -- Two -- On the Project Team pages, I suggest we remove the Roles column. Remko is the only one with any data in that column, and I think that makes it look like he doesn't contribute as much as the rest of us. Remko has contributed more than just what's listed in that column. Is everyone okay with removing that column? -- Three -- On the Project Team pages, none of us have images. I suggest we either add images for all of us or remove the column (as it's taking up unnecessary space). Remko already has an image URL in the POM, but it's commented out. I'm all for images, personally, but what do y'all think? -- Four -- The first item I visited the Log4j2 site, the Download and Build and Install links confused me. The Download page contained links to download the assembly JAR ... makes sense. But no Maven information. The Build and Install page contained Maven information, which was counter-intuitive, but worse the Maven information was BELOW information about building and installing, so you don't actually see it unless you scroll down. Using Log4j on your classpath is also on the Build and Install page, but it makes more
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Ralph, understood. Btw, was that a very late party or are you a very early riser? :-) Sent from my iPhone On 2013/05/12, at 20:18, Ralph Goers rgo...@apache.org wrote: As for attribution, not really. The only place attribution really shows up is in svn. If someone really wants to know who wrote a piece of code they will just look at its history. Remember, the ASF is about community. As a committer you get just as much credit (or blame) for all the work I have done as I do. With attribution what you will find is people start emailing you in private off the lists. This has happened to me quite a bit over the last few years. We don't want that as it doesn't serve the whole community. That said, people will still know that you are the async expert when you are the main person answering questions and fixing issues related to it. Ralph On May 12, 2013, at 1:59 AM, Remko Popma rem...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. Agree this looks funny. What I found interesting is that (based on Ralph's link) the developers originally added the time zone in the Actual Time column, intentionally showing local time zone of the viewer. Ironically the intention was to avoid confusion. I'm sure there's a lesson in there somewhere. :-) 2. All right then, remove the roles. Is there a more acceptable way to get attribution for the Async Loggers somewhere on the site? 3. I experimented with it but switching on the pic also adds another column with the pic URL. (Not very useful IMHO. Shall we file another bug/feature request with the maven team? Show pic, without adding pic URL column.) 4. Sounds good. Sent from my iPhone On 2013/05/12, at 9:46, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: Item one This makes no sense to me but see https://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MPIR-68 Item two Normally I would expect the Roles to contain PMC Member, Committer or Contributor, not the parts of the project individuals work on. Item three I don't care one way or the other about images. If you want to see what I look like you can just go to images.google.com and search on my name. You should find two photos; one in a yellow shirt that is several years old from the ApacheCon in Austin, TX and a recent photo from a Flume meetup. Item four I have no problem with the suggestion you are making. Ralph On May 11, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Nick Williams wrote: Guys, There are a couple of things about the site that have been bugging me. I wanted to run some ideas by you and see what you think. Since I can commit now, I can take care of them once we come to a consensus. :-) -- One -- On the Project Team pages, the Actual Time column is wrong for most of us. For those of us in the United States, it's one hour behind. Only for Remko is it right. For example, at 17:38:55 Central Time, here is what it said for all of us: Ralph: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Gary: Sat May 11 2013 17:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 18:38 there) Scott: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Remko: Sun May 12 2013 07:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (the time is correct) Me: Sat May 11 2013 16:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 17:38 here) Not only is the time wrong for four of us, but they ALL say GMT-0500 (CDT), which is obviously incorrect for all of us except me. I did some looking around at other Maven-generated sites, and the problem seems to be the same on all of them. Wrong for people on Daylight Savings Time, and always displaying the wrong time zone for everyone: http://maven.apache.org/team-list.html http://displaytag.sourceforge.net/11/team-list.html This appears to be a problem with the Maven plugin itself, not with our site. The time appears to be calculated dynamically using JavaScript after the page loads. Is anyone aware of any bug reports anywhere concerning this issue? If not, I'll file a bug. -- Two -- On the Project Team pages, I suggest we remove the Roles column. Remko is the only one with any data in that column, and I think that makes it look like he doesn't contribute as much as the rest of us. Remko has contributed more than just what's listed in that column. Is everyone okay with removing that column? -- Three -- On the Project Team pages, none of us have images. I suggest we either add images for all of us or remove the column (as it's taking up unnecessary space). Remko already has an image URL in the POM, but it's commented out. I'm all for images, personally, but what do y'all think? -- Four -- The first item I visited the Log4j2 site, the Download and Build and Install links confused me. The Download page contained links to download the assembly JAR ... makes sense. But no Maven information. The Build and Install page contained Maven information, which was counter-intuitive, but worse the Maven information was BELOW
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Woke up in the middle of the night and checked email on my iPad. Then went back to sleep. Sent from my iPad On May 12, 2013, at 5:07 AM, Remko Popma rem...@yahoo.com wrote: Ralph, understood. Btw, was that a very late party or are you a very early riser? :-) Sent from my iPhone On 2013/05/12, at 20:18, Ralph Goers rgo...@apache.org wrote: As for attribution, not really. The only place attribution really shows up is in svn. If someone really wants to know who wrote a piece of code they will just look at its history. Remember, the ASF is about community. As a committer you get just as much credit (or blame) for all the work I have done as I do. With attribution what you will find is people start emailing you in private off the lists. This has happened to me quite a bit over the last few years. We don't want that as it doesn't serve the whole community. That said, people will still know that you are the async expert when you are the main person answering questions and fixing issues related to it. Ralph On May 12, 2013, at 1:59 AM, Remko Popma rem...@yahoo.com wrote: 1. Agree this looks funny. What I found interesting is that (based on Ralph's link) the developers originally added the time zone in the Actual Time column, intentionally showing local time zone of the viewer. Ironically the intention was to avoid confusion. I'm sure there's a lesson in there somewhere. :-) 2. All right then, remove the roles. Is there a more acceptable way to get attribution for the Async Loggers somewhere on the site? 3. I experimented with it but switching on the pic also adds another column with the pic URL. (Not very useful IMHO. Shall we file another bug/feature request with the maven team? Show pic, without adding pic URL column.) 4. Sounds good. Sent from my iPhone On 2013/05/12, at 9:46, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: Item one This makes no sense to me but see https://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MPIR-68 Item two Normally I would expect the Roles to contain PMC Member, Committer or Contributor, not the parts of the project individuals work on. Item three I don't care one way or the other about images. If you want to see what I look like you can just go to images.google.com and search on my name. You should find two photos; one in a yellow shirt that is several years old from the ApacheCon in Austin, TX and a recent photo from a Flume meetup. Item four I have no problem with the suggestion you are making. Ralph On May 11, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Nick Williams wrote: Guys, There are a couple of things about the site that have been bugging me. I wanted to run some ideas by you and see what you think. Since I can commit now, I can take care of them once we come to a consensus. :-) -- One -- On the Project Team pages, the Actual Time column is wrong for most of us. For those of us in the United States, it's one hour behind. Only for Remko is it right. For example, at 17:38:55 Central Time, here is what it said for all of us: Ralph: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Gary: Sat May 11 2013 17:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 18:38 there) Scott: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Remko: Sun May 12 2013 07:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (the time is correct) Me: Sat May 11 2013 16:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 17:38 here) Not only is the time wrong for four of us, but they ALL say GMT-0500 (CDT), which is obviously incorrect for all of us except me. I did some looking around at other Maven-generated sites, and the problem seems to be the same on all of them. Wrong for people on Daylight Savings Time, and always displaying the wrong time zone for everyone: http://maven.apache.org/team-list.html http://displaytag.sourceforge.net/11/team-list.html This appears to be a problem with the Maven plugin itself, not with our site. The time appears to be calculated dynamically using JavaScript after the page loads. Is anyone aware of any bug reports anywhere concerning this issue? If not, I'll file a bug. -- Two -- On the Project Team pages, I suggest we remove the Roles column. Remko is the only one with any data in that column, and I think that makes it look like he doesn't contribute as much as the rest of us. Remko has contributed more than just what's listed in that column. Is everyone okay with removing that column? -- Three -- On the Project Team pages, none of us have images. I suggest we either add images for all of us or remove the column (as it's taking up unnecessary space). Remko already has an image URL in the POM, but it's commented out. I'm all for images, personally, but what do y'all think? -- Four -- The first item I visited the Log4j2 site, the Download and Build and Install links confused me. The Download page contained links to download the
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Item one This makes no sense to me but see https://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MPIR-68 Item two Normally I would expect the Roles to contain PMC Member, Committer or Contributor, not the parts of the project individuals work on. Item three I don't care one way or the other about images. If you want to see what I look like you can just go to images.google.com and search on my name. You should find two photos; one in a yellow shirt that is several years old from the ApacheCon in Austin, TX and a recent photo from a Flume meetup. Item four I have no problem with the suggestion you are making. Ralph On May 11, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Nick Williams wrote: Guys, There are a couple of things about the site that have been bugging me. I wanted to run some ideas by you and see what you think. Since I can commit now, I can take care of them once we come to a consensus. :-) -- One -- On the Project Team pages, the Actual Time column is wrong for most of us. For those of us in the United States, it's one hour behind. Only for Remko is it right. For example, at 17:38:55 Central Time, here is what it said for all of us: Ralph: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Gary: Sat May 11 2013 17:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 18:38 there) Scott: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Remko: Sun May 12 2013 07:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (the time is correct) Me: Sat May 11 2013 16:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 17:38 here) Not only is the time wrong for four of us, but they ALL say GMT-0500 (CDT), which is obviously incorrect for all of us except me. I did some looking around at other Maven-generated sites, and the problem seems to be the same on all of them. Wrong for people on Daylight Savings Time, and always displaying the wrong time zone for everyone: http://maven.apache.org/team-list.html http://displaytag.sourceforge.net/11/team-list.html This appears to be a problem with the Maven plugin itself, not with our site. The time appears to be calculated dynamically using JavaScript after the page loads. Is anyone aware of any bug reports anywhere concerning this issue? If not, I'll file a bug. -- Two -- On the Project Team pages, I suggest we remove the Roles column. Remko is the only one with any data in that column, and I think that makes it look like he doesn't contribute as much as the rest of us. Remko has contributed more than just what's listed in that column. Is everyone okay with removing that column? -- Three -- On the Project Team pages, none of us have images. I suggest we either add images for all of us or remove the column (as it's taking up unnecessary space). Remko already has an image URL in the POM, but it's commented out. I'm all for images, personally, but what do y'all think? -- Four -- The first item I visited the Log4j2 site, the Download and Build and Install links confused me. The Download page contained links to download the assembly JAR ... makes sense. But no Maven information. The Build and Install page contained Maven information, which was counter-intuitive, but worse the Maven information was BELOW information about building and installing, so you don't actually see it unless you scroll down. Using Log4j on your classpath is also on the Build and Install page, but it makes more sense (to me) on the Download page, as you only need that information if you're manually downloading the binaries. My suggestion: - Download contains what it does now plug Using Log4j on your classpath (moved from the Build and Install page). - New page Maven and Ivy contains all of the Maven and Ivy information from the Build and Install page. - Build and Install gets renamed to Build and contains only information about building Log4j Thoughts? Nick
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On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Nick Williams nicho...@nicholaswilliams.net wrote: Guys, There are a couple of things about the site that have been bugging me. I wanted to run some ideas by you and see what you think. Since I can commit now, I can take care of them once we come to a consensus. :-) -- One -- On the Project Team pages, the Actual Time column is wrong for most of us. For those of us in the United States, it's one hour behind. Only for Remko is it right. For example, at 17:38:55 Central Time, here is what it said for all of us: Ralph: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Gary: Sat May 11 2013 17:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 18:38 there) Scott: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Remko: Sun May 12 2013 07:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (the time is correct) Me: Sat May 11 2013 16:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 17:38 here) Not only is the time wrong for four of us, but they ALL say GMT-0500 (CDT), which is obviously incorrect for all of us except me. The time is all messed up for my entry, the minutes are not even right! I did some looking around at other Maven-generated sites, and the problem seems to be the same on all of them. Wrong for people on Daylight Savings Time, and always displaying the wrong time zone for everyone: http://maven.apache.org/team-list.html http://displaytag.sourceforge.net/11/team-list.html This appears to be a problem with the Maven plugin itself, not with our site. The time appears to be calculated dynamically using JavaScript after the page loads. Is anyone aware of any bug reports anywhere concerning this issue? If not, I'll file a bug. -- Two -- On the Project Team pages, I suggest we remove the Roles column. Remko is the only one with any data in that column, and I think that makes it look like he doesn't contribute as much as the rest of us. Remko has contributed more than just what's listed in that column. Is everyone okay with removing that column? Like Ralph said, this should be PMC Member, Committer or Contributor. -- Three -- On the Project Team pages, none of us have images. I suggest we either add images for all of us or remove the column (as it's taking up unnecessary space). Remko already has an image URL in the POM, but it's commented out. I'm all for images, personally, but what do y'all think? Adding images is fine with me. -- Four -- The first item I visited the Log4j2 site, the Download and Build and Install links confused me. The Download page contained links to download the assembly JAR ... makes sense. But no Maven information. The Build and Install page contained Maven information, which was counter-intuitive, but worse the Maven information was BELOW information about building and installing, so you don't actually see it unless you scroll down. Using Log4j on your classpath is also on the Build and Install page, but it makes more sense (to me) on the Download page, as you only need that information if you're manually downloading the binaries. My suggestion: - Download contains what it does now plug Using Log4j on your classpath (moved from the Build and Install page). - New page Maven and Ivy contains all of the Maven and Ivy information from the Build and Install page. - Build and Install gets renamed to Build and contains only information about building Log4j Thoughts? Go for it. Gary Nick -- E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Editionhttp://www.manning.com/bauer3/ JUnit in Action, Second Edition http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/ Spring Batch in Action http://www.manning.com/templier/ Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com Home: http://garygregory.com/ Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
