Re: review of Star Wars Episode 2
Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>"David" == David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > David> The Christopher Lee impersonator they got was fantastic too. > > I thought that was merely a CG effect, like Yoda. On the digital > projection, I kept seeing flicker around his face. That must have been his ora...
Bailing
Sorry chaps (Kake and Alex in particular) but my timetable for this week has turned bass ackwards and London tommorow won't be happening. Sorry again.
Re: PS to PDF (was Re: Counting words in any document)
* Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Roger Burton West sent the following bits through the ether: > > > I have a couple of programs which produce PostScript output. How hard is > > it to turn this into PDF in a portable way (i.e. as pure-perl as > > possible)? > > Dunno. It's probably not that hard to do it yourself. And Ghostscript > (which is pretty portable) ships with a ps2pdf of course. > its not hard to do at all and more importantly when hooked up with samba and some wizardry you can create PDF publishing virtual printers on your LAN. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
re:(over)announce
On Mon, 27 May 2002, Jeremy Manser wrote: > >A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > >recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (ultimately generated from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > SMTP error from remote mailer after MAIL FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >SIZE=2359: > > host petunia.gellyfish.com [194.112.42.228]: 550 5.0.0 > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... Too much spam from hotmail accounts > > Ah Mea Culpa, this is my more-fascist-than-MBMs-mail-rules sendmail access file - I don't expect unexpected e-mails from Hotmail accounts so I don't get any, probably bad and anti-social but there you go. Anyhow as an experiment I am going to drop the rules (I do the same for all free e-mail providers) and instead feed every relay in my maillog to my favourite open relay dnsbl - if the spam goes up the hotmail,(lycos, yahoo, excite, bigfoot) accounts go back in, if it doesn't then I'll be very happy /J\
Tuesday postponed
Sorry, but I've had to postpone Tuesday since Wednesday got pushed back to Thursday and I've moved Thursday to Wednesday. So, I won't be around for thingies on Tuesday or Wednesday. But don't let that spoil your enjoyment!
Re: review of Star Wars Episode 2
On Monday, May 27, 2002, at 08:52 AM, jonah wrote: > on 27/5/02 11:19 am, David C^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hsomeone wrote: > >> Hayden Christiansen is, I think, a perfect Anakin Skywalker. > > I saw it last week. I'd just like to express my approval of George Lucas > for pushing back the boundaries of equal opportunity by casting a wood > golem in his lead role. Keanu Reeves had a lead role? Star Wars II: Attack of the Matrix? Ugh, maybe I won't see it after all... -- Chris Devers / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apache / mod_perl / Boston.com systems administrator Help bring Connector to OSX: PetitionOnline.com/osximian "More war soon. You know how it is."-- mnftiu.cc
Re: distributed and web based apps (was [REVIEW] Creation)
Simon Wistow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I've recently been rolling yet another home brew CMS and I remembered
> how much I hate doing CGI stuff even with all the advances since I last
> did it - there are application frameworks and templating systems and ...
> and ... it still sucks. As a way of doing applications http and CGI suck
> ass. As well they should, they were never designed to do such a thing.
> And as a GUI html sucks as well. Same reason.
CGI was fun in 1996 but six years on there has to be a better way of
doing this and programming using a better API or higher level
abstraction since modern programming is less about actually writing
new code and more about how you build on the frameworks supplied to
you by other programmers. This means you have to do more reading of
code before trying to write it but this is a Good Thing.
One bad thing about HTTP/CGI is basically the lack of state and a
session layer and the solution is too abstract it away! Yet the cogs
hidden below the shiny objects are the same old cookies and URI state
we hate. And you will still need to know how cookies work to debug
and test problems.
With Perl you have numerous choices (as ever both a strength and
weakness) of 3rd party CPAN CGI abstractions. I liked CGI::Application
and wonder what other modules do people base their CGIs on? Or is
your structure a 'if elsif else' using param('command')?
One problem is HTML and CGI integration and how you tie these two very
different things together (created by two very different people -- a
programmer and designer) to overcome the obvious impedance mismatch.
The most popular solution seems to be to mix code and presentation in
flat text files. Some people even use the code of another language to
confuse things further.
Using something like a MVC model seems a better solution where the
HTML is just a view which could be WML or XHTML or whatever.
> That way applications will automatically work on either on the desktop
> or as a 'web' based app through a browser. Or something. Either that or
> someone will invent a language that will do everything transparently and
> automagically but still through http and html.
This sounds very much like the old Netscape dream of 1996 of the
browser as the desktop with Sun's Java stuff embedded in it.
Java basically failed client-side because the typical desktop machines
around at the time weren't up to the job of actually running the
applets other than displaying a grey square and thrashing the disk.
By the time it worked (only a year or so ago) Microsoft pulled Java
from their browser. There has been no "killer app" applets and the
role that Java should have had was taken by Flash.
I think this was a pity and the idea of a well designed OO-based
language (with platform independence and security as key goals)
running on everyone's desktop was a good one and maybe one that will
return.
--
Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Fwd: [cam.pm] CPMBOPPC
On 27/05/2002 at 12:31 +0100, Mark Fowler wrote: >On Sat, 25 May 2002, Paul Mison wrote: > >> I thought the slavering hordes of london.pm might like to have a look at >> this, despite the fact claiming your prize may be slightly tricky. > >Not wanting to fail for silly reasons, what's the exact spacing on that? > >(did you forward it with "> " or ">" or what?) How about I just point you at the archives, so you can look at what cam.pm have said about it since? http://cam.pm.org/archive/2002-May/000761.html http://cam.pm.org/archive/2002-May/thread.html -- :: paul :: dave staugas loves bea hablig
Re: Emergency loan of SCSI cdrom
On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 02:57:27PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > I have one. It's currently at a pub in Soho - I lent it to the manager. > > > > If I can contact him in time, I'll arrange for you to be able to pick it > > > > up from him on the way. > > > > > > > > Do you know what day and roughly what time? > > > > > > Middle of next week, morningish. And only if Sun can't pony one up. > > > > He came and delivered it back to me yesterday. If you need it, you'll have > > to pick it up from me tonight, as I won't have any chance to post it. > > Can't do tonight, I'm in Plymouth! Hey do you think you smart folks (and others in future) with reply-to-author type email clients could take this offlist? London.pm is now over 300 subscribers... Cheers, Paul -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ "If I went to bed right now, then yes, I think I will." -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
P2P Applications
Dunno how on topic it is but I have several hundred book reviews :-) I'm still looking at the best way of properly databasing them, and might create a peer 2 peer server system so that different people can host the book reviews they are interested in - but still access a global shared database of reviews on any topic Alex At 12:01 27/05/2002, you wrote: >Message: 5 >Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 14:48:32 +0100 (BST) >From: Jonathan Stowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: P2P Applications >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >On Sun, 26 May 2002, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > of rules. > > > > So what other large data sources do people have on their own machines? > > Openweb Analysts Ltd, London: Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Free Consultancy for London Companies thinking of Open Source Software.
Re: Spoiler Space
on 27/5/02 3:17 pm, Mark Fowler at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > My thanks to Evil Dave for his use of spoiler space when discussing > things on list. > > I would also like to thank all those kind people who have done their > upmost to maintain it thoughout the discussion. Nicely put. But is spoiler space really necessary when there are no spoilers in the post? I'm assuming the above is a polite/sardonic way of asking if the people discussing AoTC to use more spoiler space, but I fail to see where we've posted any spoilers without space ... -- matt it's not the beat it's the insanity
Re: PS to PDF (was Re: Counting words in any document)
On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 04:12:35PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: >Roger Burton West sent the following bits through the ether: >> So I'd have thought. Pointers to documentation? >http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201101793/ Got that as a PDF. >http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201758393/ Will look for that... >> If my users had GhostScript, they wouldn't need ps2pdf to view the >> output of the program. >Sorry. I didn't understand that you meant actually doing this on the >client. Is upgrading all your clients out of the question? ;-) Yup; this is freeware, and it's finding an unexpected new audience with Windows users after a mate lent me the use of his ActiveState Perl "compiler"... Cheers, R
Spoiler Space
My thanks to Evil Dave for his use of spoiler space when discussing things
on list.
I would also like to thank all those kind people who have done their
upmost to maintain it thoughout the discussion.
Mark.
--
s'' Mark Fowler London.pm Bath.pm
http://www.twoshortplanks.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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){for(0..30){$|=print$t->Tgoto(cm,$_,$y)." $w";select$k,$k,$k,.03}$y+=2}
Re: PS to PDF (was Re: Counting words in any document)
Roger Burton West sent the following bits through the ether: > So I'd have thought. Pointers to documentation? http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201101793/ http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201758393/ It's just data munging I imagine... > If my users had GhostScript, they wouldn't need ps2pdf to view the > output of the program. Sorry. I didn't understand that you meant actually doing this on the client. Is upgrading all your clients out of the question? ;-) Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Nanoware...http://www.nanoware.org/ ... I can't believe my computer's on fire
Re: review of Star Wars Episode 2
> "David" == David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: David> The Christopher Lee impersonator they got was fantastic too. I thought that was merely a CG effect, like Yoda. On the digital projection, I kept seeing flicker around his face. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: review of Star Wars Episode 2
On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 03:27:21PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > But you have to admit that Samuel L Jackson did a great job of playing > Samuel L Jackson, even better was Ewan playing Alex Guiness ;-) The Christopher Lee impersonator they got was fantastic too. I don't believe that the real Christopher Lee would sink so low as to appear in Star Wars. And anyway, he's really old, Lucas can't rely on him still being alive for the next film so it *had* to be an impersonator. -- Lord Protector David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david I DEMAND TO HAVE A BOUNCING YODA TOY
Re: review of Star Wars Episode 2
* jonah ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > on 27/5/02 11:19 am, David C^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hsomeone wrote: > > > Hayden Christiansen is, I think, a perfect Anakin Skywalker. > > I saw it last week. I'd just like to express my approval of George Lucas > for pushing back the boundaries of equal opportunity by casting a wood > golem in his lead role. > But you have to admit that Samuel L Jackson did a great job of playing Samuel L Jackson, even better was Ewan playing Alex Guiness ;-) Of course the best acting has to go to yoda -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (over)use of london.pm-announce?
On 27 May 2002, Chris Ball wrote:
>
> The only people who turn up to the emergency social meets are those
> who helped organise it, from the IRC cabal. No-one has ever turned
> up for a non-{social,technical} event solely through seeing it on the
> announce list and deciding to go; such -announce posts are redundant.
>
I do hope you're not accusing me of using IRC, that's fighting talk.
the hatter
Re: [job] same as before
Alex McLintock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This job was posted to the list some days ago. > > I've spotted the same posted to Jobserve but without the pay or > contract length mentioned. Please tell me if this is the sports.com job! -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com All the Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: Emergency loan of SCSI cdrom
David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I have one. It's currently at a pub in Soho - I lent it to the manager. > > > If I can contact him in time, I'll arrange for you to be able to pick it > > > up from him on the way. > > > > > > Do you know what day and roughly what time? > > > > Middle of next week, morningish. And only if Sun can't pony one up. > > He came and delivered it back to me yesterday. If you need it, you'll have > to pick it up from me tonight, as I won't have any chance to post it. Can't do tonight, I'm in Plymouth! -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com All the Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: (over)use of london.pm-announce?
> "Paul" == Paul Mison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Paul> "I forget meetings if I'm not reminded two weeks before, three
Paul> days before and on the day of the meeting, and so might people
Paul> who only get -announce, so all these things need to go there
Paul> too."
The only people who turn up to the emergency social meets are those
who helped organise it, from the IRC cabal. No-one has ever turned
up for a non-{social,technical} event solely through seeing it on the
announce list and deciding to go; such -announce posts are redundant.
At the least, there's a null hypothesis for you to play with. :-)
- Chris, moaning because he's London-sick and can't go to any of the
things he has to read lots of e-mail about.
--
$a="printf.net"; Chris Ball | chris@void.$a | www.$a | finger: chris@$a
chris@lexis:~$ perl -le'@a=($^O eq 'darwin')?qw(100453 81289 9159):qw
(23152 19246 2040);while(<>){chomp;push @b,$_ if grep {$.==$_}@a}push
@b,$^X;print ucfirst join(" ",@b[2,0,3,1]).","'
Re: PS to PDF (was Re: Counting words in any document)
On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 02:41:19PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: >Roger Burton West sent the following bits through the ether: >> I have a couple of programs which produce PostScript output. How hard is >> it to turn this into PDF in a portable way (i.e. as pure-perl as >> possible)? >Dunno. It's probably not that hard to do it yourself. So I'd have thought. Pointers to documentation? >And Ghostscript >(which is pretty portable) ships with a ps2pdf of course. If my users had GhostScript, they wouldn't need ps2pdf to view the output of the program. Roger
London.pm List Weekly Summary 2002-05-20
This is the (mumble+1)th summary of the London Perlmongers mailing list
for the week beginning 2002-05-20, covering a far more healthy 178
posts and 42 threads.
Mark Fowler posted about memory leaks in Perl, and how to detect/avoid
them. Nick Clark pointed him at Valgrind (which is free) and Purify
(which isn't), both of which are used by the perl5-porters to detect
leaks in the Perl core. Paul Johnson commented that Perl 5.8 is far
less awful at losing track of memory than earlier versions.
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020520/020157.html
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020520/020165.html
http://www.rational.com/products/purify_unix/index.jsp [Purify]
http://developer.kde.org/~sewardj/ [Valgrind]
Paul Makepeace directed us to the impending release of the Playstation2
Linux Kit, which gives you a 40Gb HDD, NIC, keyboard and blah for $200.
Simon Wistow prefers the Dreamcast dev kit, and commented - along with
Ian Brayshaw - that you don't get raw access to many of the devices
with the PS2 kit. Alasdair Kergon reminded us that there'll be a PS2
with Linux at the UKUUG Linux Developers' Conference in July, and that
early booking discounts end on the 31st May.
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020520/020175.html
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020520/020179.html
http://playstation2-linux.com/faq.php
http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2002/
Dave Cross announced that Matt's Script Archive has linked to NMS -
many congrats to everyone who's been involved in the project.
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020520/020176.html
http://www.scriptarchive.com/nms.html
http://nms-cgi.sf.net/
Resident Pub Minion Kake reported on the emergency social meet to The
Glasshouse Stores. They don't have any hand-pulled beer, which was met
with resounding disapproval. Ne'er discouraged, Kake is organising a
trip to The Ivy House near Holborn tube _tonight_, from 6pm.
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020520/020197.html
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020520/020303.html
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=530503&Y=181602&A=Y&Z=1
On the jobs front, Dave Cantrell announced that the BBC are looking for
a student to fill a year's placement programming with Perl and C.
Following this, Paul Makepeace asked whether anyone had been offered an
interview following posts on on-line job sites.
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020520/020206.html
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020520/020211.html
Lots of people talked about Buffy. Imagine!
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020520/020184.html
I mentioned being scared of installing the Oracle client libraries
under Debian, and was given Clue. A discussion of Oracle under various
Linux distributions (and the broken-ness thereof) ensued.
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020520/020217.html
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020520/020240.html
Philip Newton asked about the difference between Linux distributions,
and was met with a surprisingly lack of Debian-related zealotry;
perhaps the Debian devels are all off trying to get Debian/woody
somewhere close to being ready for release. :-)
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020520/020225.html
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020520/020238.html
Simon Wistow posted a review of _Creation - Life and how to make it_,
which turned into a thread on p2p. Tony Bowden told us of the O'Reilly
Emerging Tech Conference last week, and several people asked about
security and replication in p2p systems, before branching on to
distributed uses for spare machine cycles.
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020520/020298.html
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020520/020314.html
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020520/020326.html
Paul Makepeace expressed confusion over Perl's for() not needing parens
when qw() is used, and had things explained by Randal (it's a 5.6-ism).
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020520/020309.html
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020520/020310.html
In other news, Alex McLintok wants a reviewer for Manning's new _Web
Dev with Apache and Perl_, and Paul Mison forwarded details of Cam.pm's
Beerfestival Obfuscated Perl Programming Contest. Paul Makepeace noted
that he is Justness ANSI perl Hagen and Track basic perl Riga - and I
discovered that the JAPH in my sigline has.. sub-optimal portability.
Oops.
Until next week,
- Chris.
--
$a="printf.net"; Chris Ball | chris@void.$a | www.$a | finger: chris@$a
chris@lexis:~$ perl -le'@a=($^O eq 'darwin')?qw(100453 81289 9159):qw
(23152 19246 2040);while(<>){chomp;push @b,$_ if grep {$.==$_}@a}push
@b,$^X;print
Re: PS to PDF (was Re: Counting words in any document)
Roger Burton West sent the following bits through the ether: > I have a couple of programs which produce PostScript output. How hard is > it to turn this into PDF in a portable way (i.e. as pure-perl as > possible)? Dunno. It's probably not that hard to do it yourself. And Ghostscript (which is pretty portable) ships with a ps2pdf of course. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Nanoware...http://www.nanoware.org/ ... How much wood did Peter Piper pick.. no, wait..
Re: (over)announce
Sending to the list in case there's anyone else that isn't aware of this DIY option: Go to http://london.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/london.pm at the very bottom, enter your subscribed-as email address, press Edit Options and from their you can have your password emailed to you. Paul On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 01:11:36PM +, Jeremy Manser wrote: > Please can someone unsubscribe me from this list while i still have a mail > box. -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ "What is your dog called? It is silence, silence, silence." -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
re:(over)announce
Please can someone unsubscribe me from this list while i still have a mail box. I have tried to email the listadmin but the results are below (undeliverable). Also i have forgotton my password. (being yet another web pw to recall). The talk on here is worth reading but it is also a full time job and I have to empty my mail several times a day so please unsubscribe me before I leave a connected machine for more than a couple of days. Thanks Jez (my first posting here too!) >From: Mail Delivery System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender >Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 13:53:50 +0100 >Received: from penderel.state51.co.uk ([193.82.57.128]) by hotmail.com with >Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 27 May 2002 05:53:35 -0700 >Received: from mail by penderel.state51.co.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1)id >17CK0U-00035z-00for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 27 May 2002 13:53:50 +0100 >X-Failed-Recipients: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Return-Path: <> >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2002 12:53:39.0836 (UTC) >FILETIME=[8614DBC0:01C2057D] > >This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim). > >A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its >recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (ultimately generated from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > SMTP error from remote mailer after MAIL FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >SIZE=2359: > host petunia.gellyfish.com [194.112.42.228]: 550 5.0.0 ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... Too much spam from hotmail accounts > >-- This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. -- > >Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Received: from f254.law11.hotmail.com ([64.4.16.129] helo=hotmail.com) > by penderel.state51.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) > id 17CJxQ-0002zF-00 > for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 27 May 2002 13:50:40 +0100 >Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; >Mon, 27 May 2002 05:50:04 -0700 >Received: from 193.132.192.1 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; > Mon, 27 May 2002 12:50:04 GMT >X-Originating-IP: [193.132.192.1] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: "Jeremy Manser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Bcc: >Subject: please unsubscribe >Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:50:04 + >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2002 12:50:04.0764 (UTC) >FILETIME=[05E379C0:01C2057D] > >Hey there, I have forgotton my password and would like to unsubscribe for a >while. > >Its another password for the web I have filed somewhere in my >brain and lost. > >Although a newbie I do find the subject matter quite interesting but I have >to keep my mail down for a while so I need this to stop. > >Many thanks, > >Jeremy > > > >_ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
[job] same as before
This job was posted to the list some days ago. I've spotted the same posted to Jobserve but without the pay or contract length mentioned. I guess they couldn't find anyone at that rate. Alex >- Forwarded message from Perl Jobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - > >From: Perl Jobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Perl Jobs] Perl Developer - Perl/mod_perl/ Template > Toolkit/Linux/XML (onsite), United Kingdom, London >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date: 23 May 2002 15:12:18 - > >Online URL for this job: http://jobs.perl.org/job/332 > >To subscribe to this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Posted: May 23, 2002 > >Job title: >Perl Developer - Perl/mod_perl/ Template Toolkit/Linux/XML > >Company name: Internet Co. >Location: United Kingdom, London >Pay rate: circa £33k on a pro rata basis >Travel: 0% >Terms of employment: Salaried employee >Length of employment: 3 months >Hours: Full time >Onsite: yes >Description: >Perl Developer - Perl/mod_perl/ Template Toolkit/Linux/XML - to work on a 3 >month project >Required skills: >Perl Devloper required for a 3 Month contract paid on a pro rata basis >circa £33k. Candidates must have at least 2 years of Perl/Mod_perl >experience on Linux with 1 years XML and must have previously used Template >Toolkit. You will also have strong content management experience. > >Desired skills: >Perl, mod_perl, XML,Template Toolkit, Linux, MySQL and Apache. > >Contact information: Send CV to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >- End forwarded message - Openweb Analysts Ltd, London: Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Free Consultancy for London Companies thinking of Open Source Software.
Re: (over)use of london.pm-announce?
On Mon, 27 May 2002, Paul Mison wrote: > "I forget meetings if I'm not reminded two weeks before, three days > before and on the day of the meeting, and so might people who only get > -announce, so all these things need to go there too." That's me. Makes my *ahem* hectic social life that bit easier to manage (especially when event are lumpy, and a whole month of events happen on 2 or 3 days in a month) the hatter
PS to PDF (was Re: Counting words in any document)
On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 01:52:12PM +0100, Struan Donald wrote: >I'm sure there's a stack of PDF modules. a quick search of cpan shows >several. (minor swerve) I have a couple of programs which produce PostScript output. How hard is it to turn this into PDF in a portable way (i.e. as pure-perl as possible)? It doesn't have to be desperately optimised, as the PostScript is hand-tuned and pretty small already. Cheers, Roger
Re: Counting words in any document
Pierre Denis sent the following bits through the ether: > The problem is for MS Word documents and pdf. Is there a perl module I've > missed that could do it? Maybe something that can transform MS word and pdf > docs into rtf? No, there aren't Perl modules to do that exact thing, however wvWare http://www.wvware.com/ seems to do the trick - wvText would be the right binary to call. For PDF, xpdf http://www.foolabs.com/xpdf/ (installed on most Linux boxes) contains pdftotext. For PS, ps2ascii (in the ghostscript package) seems to be ok. I'm not convinced as to how accurate the above will be, but they'll probably work okay. > It would be nice also to be able to extract the text from Excel > spreadsheets. http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=Spreadsheet-ParseExcel perhaps? HTH, Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Nanoware...http://www.nanoware.org/ ... I don't worry about driving when I'm tired - I sleep just fine
Re: review of Star Wars Episode 2
on 27/5/02 11:19 am, David C^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hsomeone wrote: > Hayden Christiansen is, I think, a perfect Anakin Skywalker. I saw it last week. I'd just like to express my approval of George Lucas for pushing back the boundaries of equal opportunity by casting a wood golem in his lead role. -- matt Oh! The humidity!
Re: Counting words in any document
* at 27/05 13:30 +0100 Pierre Denis said: > I'd like to count the number of words in any type of documents. > I have a processor that transform the initial document into plain text and > then counting the words is a piece of cake. > No problems so far to do it for plain text and html documents. > > The problem is for MS Word documents and pdf. Is there a perl module I've > missed that could do it? Maybe something that can transform MS word and pdf > docs into rtf? > It would be nice also to be able to extract the text from Excel > spreadsheets. Spreadsheet::ParseExcel will do the excel bit (as long as they're not password protetected) and seemed ok for the quick hack i used it for. I'm sure there's a stack of PDF modules. a quick search of cpan shows several. Word might be a bit trickier. there are a few libraries out there that do the word -> text dance (the one antiword uses seems to be pretty good) but none of them (as far as I've ever found) has a perl interface so you'd either have to write one or so something ugly like shell out to the relevant program. I do seem to recall a talk at yapc::europe 2000 about doing some sort of word -> text conversion but I seem to recall they used some sort of windows machine with some sort of server that then use the perl OLE stuff to take a word file and save it as text. This is obviously non optimal :) s
(over)use of london.pm-announce?
I've become a little worried that I may be overusing london.pm-announce, or encouraging others to do so. There seem to be two views at the extremes: "I forget meetings if I'm not reminded two weeks before, three days before and on the day of the meeting, and so might people who only get -announce, so all these things need to go there too." "Announce should only be used for socials and technical meetings, and only once for each of these, when the venue is announced" And there's a range in between. It's obviously difficult to discuss this on the announce list itself (as there's not meant to be much traffic there), but what are people's feelings here? For reference, the list archive for May (including a couple of embarrasing Mailman hiccups I caused) are here; there've been ten posts so far this month. http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm-announce/2002-May/thread.html (I'm not going to say what I think until people voice an opinion, but if you lot don't, I'll do what I like anyway. Mwuhahaha. (Dave, can I borrow a cat to stroke for a second?)) -- :: paul :: dave staugas loves bea hablig
Counting words in any document
I'd like to count the number of words in any type of documents. I have a processor that transform the initial document into plain text and then counting the words is a piece of cake. No problems so far to do it for plain text and html documents. The problem is for MS Word documents and pdf. Is there a perl module I've missed that could do it? Maybe something that can transform MS word and pdf docs into rtf? It would be nice also to be able to extract the text from Excel spreadsheets. Regards Pierre Denis
[ANNOUNCE] Reminder: Emergency pubmeet tonight: Ivy House, Holborn
As promised, a reminder that we're going to the Ivy House pub in Holborn tonight, to audition it as a possible social meet venue for after the summer. It's just a minute's walk from Holborn tube: http://www.portal.e-street.net/com/uk/lon/BusinessPage.ly?businessID=10056346 http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=530503&Y=181602&A=Y&Z=1 I said we'd be there from 6pm, but I will probably actually be there from more like 5pm, since I need to leave the office early enough to pay in a cheque before my bank closes. Kake
Re: dim sum tuesday?
On Sat 25 May 2002, Dave Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm bouncing around the west end on tuesday arvo. Anyone up for dim > sum? Or vegan chinese? Sure, either would suit me. Maybe a slight preference for the vegan Chinese, since we had dim sum only last week. http://grault.net/cgi-bin/grubstreet.pl?Tai,_W1D_4DH for those who don't know the place we're talking about. Kake
Re: Fwd: [cam.pm] CPMBOPPC
On Sat, 25 May 2002, Paul Mison wrote:
> I thought the slavering hordes of london.pm might like to have a look at
> this, despite the fact claiming your prize may be slightly tricky.
Not wanting to fail for silly reasons, what's the exact spacing on that?
(did you forward it with "> " or ">" or what?)
Mark.
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Re: Emergency loan of SCSI cdrom
> > I have one. It's currently at a pub in Soho - I lent it to the manager. > > If I can contact him in time, I'll arrange for you to be able to pick it > > up from him on the way. > > > > Do you know what day and roughly what time? > > Middle of next week, morningish. And only if Sun can't pony one up. He came and delivered it back to me yesterday. If you need it, you'll have to pick it up from me tonight, as I won't have any chance to post it. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david Vegetables are what food eats
Re: Fwd: [cam.pm] CPMBOPPC
A (very lame) self-filling beer glass. :-) #!/usr/bin/perl ## ## ## ## #### #### #### ## ## ## ## ## ## #### #### ## ## ## ## open(ALE,$0);;$/=undef; $beer=;$beer=~s/\S/#/g; ## print($beer);# ## ##
review of Star Wars Episode 2
This was posted to another list that I'm on. Please don't re-post it, as this is a draft of an article to be published shortly. Yes, I do have permission ;-) use TextFormatting::SpoilerSpace; > SECTARIANISM SERVES THE DARK SIDE? > > 'Attack of the Clones' is stunning. Visually, it is awesome, and the action > springs from planet to planet with few pauses for contemplation. But while it > reveals the political and military build-up to the Clone Wars, known from the > start to be at the heart of the backstory, it gives little insight into the > Jedi, the Sith, the Force and its Dark Side. That is a disappointment if, > like me, you always preferred the legend to the fighting. > > An assassin kills Senator Amidala's decoy, so Obi-Wan Kenobi pursues the > bounty hunter Jango Fett (clone-daddy of Boba Fett, bounty hunter of the > original trilogy). The Jedi Council assigns young apprentice Anakin Skywalker > to protect Amidala, the object of his romantic desires. Meanwhile, after > going unpunished for his illegal blockade and invasion of Naboo in The > Phantom Menace, Nute Gungray is assembling a new alliance between the Trade > Federation and other commercial blocs, and breaking away from the Republic. > They work with a renegade Jedi, Count Dooku (Christopher Lee), who has sussed > that the Sith Lord Darth Sidious is getting his claws into the Republican > Senate. Both the separatists and the Republic are creating artificial armies > - one of droids, the other of clones. > > There are a few facts that Star Wars fans will want to know. Jar Jar Binks is > in it - as a delegate to the Senate - but only a little, so we are spared the > offensive and infuriating Binks of Episode 1. Yoda and Mace Windu wield their > lightsabres. You get to see dozens of Jedi fighting together, presumably for > the last time before Anakin-turned-Vader hunts them down and destroys them in > Episode 3. And this time it is Anakin who says "I have a bad feeling about > this", a line spoken in each of the five films. > > Hayden Christiansen is, I think, a perfect Anakin Skywalker. Although still > on the right side of the Force, he is a mess of contradictions, sometimes > sympathetic, sometimes very hard to like. It is plain to see why the Dark > Side will eventually seduce him. It is in his arrogance, his indiscipline, > his impatience, his uncontrolled lashing out, and in his mutual admiration > with Supreme Chancellor Palpatine. Anakin is a surly, impetuous teenager, and > he reminds me of someone, but I can not think who. Still, it is hardly > unknown for nice little boys to grow into tortured teenagers and then > horrible adult men. > Like The Phantom Menace, this film portrays Anakin's love of women - his > mother and Padme - as a weakness, although at least it is now one weakness > among several. But the films are at fault: it should not be love that leads > to the Dark Side. > We can also see Obi-Wan Kenobi's contribution to Anakin's future fall. Great > Jedi knight, crap Jedi master. His harsh judgement of his Padawan learner > seems a joke at first, but is actually a serious error. The personal > relationships, and the comradeship, of the original trilogy are missing. > > Natalie Portman's character is a big improvement on Episode 1. Now a Senator > rather than a queen, gone is the grating pomp and paraphernalia (and bad > make-up), in its place a capable, assertive young woman whom the Dark Side > rightly recognises as its greatest threat in the Senate. > When she falls from a transport onto a sand dune, Anakin and Obi-Wan argue > between following your heart and going to save her, and following your duty > and continuing the pursuit of Count Dooku. They miss the point entirely: > Amidala/Padme is perfectly able to look after herself without needing Anakin > Skywalker to rescue her. > > As suits its place in the overall story, Attack of the Clones is the bleakest > Star Wars episode so far, almost devoid of hope or even of light relief. It > is shot through with pain, grief and confusion. It is also the most > explicitly political of the films. Characters discuss democracy, > dictatorship, corruption and bureaucracy. But the Jedi fail to understand > what is going on in the political world. > Obi-Wan is unquestioningly confident that he is fighting for the right side, > not realising that both apparently-opposed sides in the coming war are the > servants of the mysterious Darth Sidious. Only Yoda, and only too late, > realises that the war itself serves the interests of evil, and Master Windu > concedes that it might be an idea to keep a closer eye on the Senate. > The film's explanation for the Jedi's befuddlement is that the Dark Side > clouds their vision. Maybe so, but maybe there is another factor too. All > their skill, art, militancy, courage, self-sacrifice, power, and command of > the Force, is not enough wi
Re: Linux distribution of choice
On Thu, 23 May 2002 19:29:43 +0100, Peter Haworth wrote: > On Thu, 23 May 2002 11:07:14 +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: > > On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:00:34AM +0100, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > My m68k box is now sitting neglected on my desk at home with a tiny > > > > Otherwise it would be interested to learn what it thought of the perl > > regression tests. > > If I remember to bring some disks to work (mmm, lovely sneakernet), I'll > have a go with the latest bleadperl, but it'll probably take the whole > weekend, what with all the stuff Jarkko's stuffed in. When I checked this morning, it was still doing 'make'. It might have started 'make test' by now if I'd loaded all the disks onto the TOS partition and found the dodgy last one before running them through tar (fortunately I made two disk sets, just in case). Or if it didn't run out of swap after a couple of hours. Or if it took me less than 10 hours to remember the root password so I could add more swap. Slow computers are fun, but I prefer my UltraSparc (which is 40 times faster - that's still slow, though). -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Free Tibet! With purchase of second Tibet of equal or greater value. Limit two Tibets per customer."-- ModernHumorist.com
distributed and web based apps (was [REVIEW] Creation)
On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 06:58:47PM +0100, Tony Bowden said: > As browser-based applications become more realistic, this means that > someone like DigiGuide can stop splitting their development effort and > work on one interface, which can either be run off their server, using > their copy of the data, or of your own desktop server, with your > downloaded copy of the data. I recently bought up on another list this link ... "Removing the Ws from URLs" http://webword.com/moving/wwwremoval.html which is basically saying "the web is all that you'll ever access on the Net so just get rid of the www's" At first I actually couldn't think of a response but this thread's made me tie it in with some other ideas I've had. I've recently been rolling yet another home brew CMS and I remembered how much I hate doing CGI stuff even with all the advances since I last did it - there are application frameworks and templating systems and ... and ... it still sucks. As a way of doing applications http and CGI suck ass. As well they should, they were never designed to do such a thing. And as a GUI html sucks as well. Same reason. And for that reason (and it's not exactly a huge leap of intuition) the web and http will die. To be replaced by something that lets you write proper applications with all the same ease of layout as HTML but with proper layout and and proper app front end that will take care of all all the nasty parsing of form elements and variable handling and stuff. That way applications will automatically work on either on the desktop or as a 'web' based app through a browser. Or something. Either that or someone will invent a language that will do everything transparently and automagically but still through http and html. I know there's stuff out there that's supposed to be doing this already but it all sucks still. -- : it's not the heat, it's the humanity
