[LUTE] website update
Hi All, I'm still having trouble with the update coming and going, for reasons which are obscure to me. The front page of my site has a note of the date of the last update in the bottom right corner - if it says 8th April 2011 it's the old version. It should say 19th January 2012. Best wishes, Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: where to get Damiani's tutor?
Thanks for all the advice. Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] website update(2)
OK, I think it's all working now (and I think the problem was in my browser, so you might never have had a problem at all). Sorry for the confusion. M To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: guitar temperament
You need one of these: [1]http://www.friendsoffreedom.com/Friends/Rankin/Mark_Rankin.html On Jan 19, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Dominic Robillard wrote: Hi luters, Bartolotti starts with a passacaille in book I. Each passacaille modulates to a different key. Was he ahead of Wagner? Were performers of passacailles through all keys allowed to stop to tune, and change fret spacing within a work? Was that okay and normal for the audience? Was there an audience? Equal temperament sounds so bad, it just can't be. I refuse to stop using meantone, 1/6, but I can't seem to get passed the 4th fret on my guitar. How many tastinos will it take? I was told by pros, including Stubbs, that things get looser up there, but I think that is just continuo talk. Even playing Sanz doesn't pan out, can anyone help? Dominic -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [3]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch [4]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [5]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. http://www.friendsoffreedom.com/Friends/Rankin/Mark_Rankin.html 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 4. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 5. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
[LUTE] Re: String hairs
You can try a bit of superglue. On Jan 19, 2012, at 3:25 PM, David Smith wrote: I have a new lute that has gut strings on it. I have had it for about 3 days. The 1^st string has unraveled a single hair about the 7^th fret. In the past I have just cut these as short as possible but frequently the string breaks within a couple of weeks. Is there any better way to treat these hairs? Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [1]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch [2]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [3]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 2. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 3. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: String hairs
Dear William and All, I just thought it might be worth resuming for William, the situation in relation to strong gut trebles, as appeared in discussions, here, and elsewhere, over the last few years, even though this goes a little beyond the practical concerns of which William has spoken, by raising the question (William did not ask) as to whether it is possible to achieve a string that frays less, and what the effect might be on the resulting sound. % I notice that there may be (at least) two ways of achieving this. The first would be a chemical treatment of the gut, as appears to have been done by Mimmo Peruffo, according to his text at lute News 79 Oct 2006 (P14-15); the second would be a careful use of Beef Serosa (according to Dan Larson, at Gamut). In both cases, the result would be a stronger string, than using non treated sheep gut : 1) Mimmo These (chemically treated) strings feel rather stiff to the fingertip. Thanks to their rough structure they are less liable to squashing, and less liable to jam on the nut, or be cut. Thanks to their high breaking index trebles are less heavily stressed, which becomes evident, especially through the fact that they stretch less while tuning (...). In practical terms, less peg turning is needed to reach the required pitch. Less stretching under stress means a higher resistance to fraying, which is the main problem of modern strings and is related to the action of the player's fingers, and perspiration, and string tension. Lute News 79 (in this exposé, Mimmo does not say whether he was using sheep or beef gut, although his historic hypothesis must surely be that it would have been applied to sheep gut; although it should evidently be possible to apply it to beef, resulting in an even stronger string?) % 2) Dan: Because beef gut strings are stronger than sheep gut strings they are a good choice for instruments with a long string length, or higher tension situations. In addition to the extra strength, the fiber structure of beef serosa has less of the fine hairs that sometimes develop on sheep gut strings. http://gamutmusic.squarespace.com/beef-gut/ % It would seem that both methods lead to a stiffer treble (which therefore frays less) and which presumably in each case also result in a brighter clearer sound: Dan: The customer feedback we have received indicate that beef gut stabilizes more quickly and holds pitch a little better than sheep gut. The tone has been described as being clearer and brighter than sheep but of equal gauge. http://gamutmusic.squarespace.com/news/new-beef-gut-strings.html Ed says of Dan's beef trebles, Yes. I love the trebles. They last much longer, and have a clear, lean, wonderful sound. http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg26619.html This is more or less my experience of Mimmo's chemically strengthened string (although possibly not so lean?), which I think he is also trying to achieve with his new NG trebles, which are quite bright, but as Dan W. says comparing this string with gut, slight loss of slightly richer gut sound more than compensated by a more open, distinct extroverted quality to the overtones (...) http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg38490.html % Gamut does not of course make the only strong beef gut trebles. There are also testimonies about strong beef trebles by Toro (Italy) sold by Universale, as those also of Dan W. http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg26619.html Universale by Toro: They are not dedicated to lute- they simply make BY FAR the strongest, most durable treble strings I have ever used - in my case, a pair of .42 mm (perfectly true and in tune with each other) that I put on my vihuela (...) Got them in June, and only this past week is one of them beginning to shred. Dan Winheld However, Dan goes on to say, and for sound, those durable trebles are not quite as sweet as the more delicate strings. No free lunch! I imagine that could be true of most strong trebles, depending on the lute and your playing style, you might like its clear, lean, wonderful sound (as Ed), or feel it is a little less sweet (as Dan does), or less full, as Jonathan Dunford does, albeit comparing beef ropes and sheep designed by Corquoz and made by Toro: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/ViolaDaGamba/message/970 I've been using them ever since they existed (I had the first protytpes) and I find them stable and much fuller sounding than the cow gut (for instance Pirastro/Savarez or Kurschner).JD (although this could both be rope structure as well as the origin sheep/beef)l % Indeed, David v.O. says he prefers the sound of Kathedrale (sheep gut) to Universale (beef by Toro), presumably for the sweeter sound, even though he prefers the Toro to synthetics: http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg26575.html I prefer the sound of Kathedrale, also _very_ long lasting, but some do disagree about here. Universale is
[LUTE] Re: String hairs (beef/sheep) additional thought
I was just thinking that if beef can sound leaner and brighter (or clearer), while sheep might sound warmer and fuller, it sounds as though beef gut is situated somewhere in between sheep gut and some synthetics, where synthetics might be felst as colder and more transistor-like, while sheep gut warmer/sweeter and more valve-like (with beef gut more Mosfet like? Oups perhaps pushing the metaphore) If Dan Larson is right and beef has less hair structure (see DL below) then perhaps its structure is indeed less far from synthetics than the hairier structure of sheep gut. This is not necesarily a criticism of the string, it could have the benefits of both types. Regards Anthony Dear William and All, I just thought it might be worth resuming for William, the situation in relation to strong gut trebles, as appeared in discussions, here, and elsewhere, over the last few years, even though this goes a little beyond the practical concerns of which William has spoken, by raising the question (William did not ask) as to whether it is possible to achieve a string that frays less, and what the effect might be on the resulting sound. % I notice that there may be (at least) two ways of achieving this. The first would be a chemical treatment of the gut, as appears to have been done by Mimmo Peruffo, according to his text at lute News 79 Oct 2006 (P14-15); the second would be a careful use of Beef Serosa (according to Dan Larson, at Gamut). In both cases, the result would be a stronger string, than using non treated sheep gut : 1) Mimmo These (chemically treated) strings feel rather stiff to the fingertip. Thanks to their rough structure they are less liable to squashing, and less liable to jam on the nut, or be cut. Thanks to their high breaking index trebles are less heavily stressed, which becomes evident, especially through the fact that they stretch less while tuning (...). In practical terms, less peg turning is needed to reach the required pitch. Less stretching under stress means a higher resistance to fraying, which is the main problem of modern strings and is related to the action of the player's fingers, and perspiration, and string tension. Lute News 79 (in this exposé, Mimmo does not say whether he was using sheep or beef gut, although his historic hypothesis must surely be that it would have been applied to sheep gut; although it should evidently be possible to apply it to beef, resulting in an even stronger string?) % 2) Dan: Because beef gut strings are stronger than sheep gut strings they are a good choice for instruments with a long string length, or higher tension situations. In addition to the extra strength, the fiber structure of beef serosa has less of the fine hairs that sometimes develop on sheep gut strings. http://gamutmusic.squarespace.com/beef-gut/ % It would seem that both methods lead to a stiffer treble (which therefore frays less) and which presumably in each case also result in a brighter clearer sound: Dan: The customer feedback we have received indicate that beef gut stabilizes more quickly and holds pitch a little better than sheep gut. The tone has been described as being clearer and brighter than sheep but of equal gauge. http://gamutmusic.squarespace.com/news/new-beef-gut-strings.html Ed says of Dan's beef trebles, Yes. I love the trebles. They last much longer, and have a clear, lean, wonderful sound. http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg26619.html This is more or less my experience of Mimmo's chemically strengthened string (although possibly not so lean?), which I think he is also trying to achieve with his new NG trebles, which are quite bright, but as Dan W. says comparing this string with gut, slight loss of slightly richer gut sound more than compensated by a more open, distinct extroverted quality to the overtones (...) http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg38490.html % Gamut does not of course make the only strong beef gut trebles. There are also testimonies about strong beef trebles by Toro (Italy) sold by Universale, as those also of Dan W. http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg26619.html Universale by Toro: They are not dedicated to lute- they simply make BY FAR the strongest, most durable treble strings I have ever used - in my case, a pair of .42 mm (perfectly true and in tune with each other) that I put on my vihuela (...) Got them in June, and only this past week is one of them beginning to shred. Dan Winheld However, Dan goes on to say, and for sound, those durable trebles are not quite as sweet as the more delicate strings. No free lunch! I imagine that could be true of most strong trebles, depending on the lute and your playing style, you might like its clear, lean, wonderful sound (as Ed), or feel it is a little less sweet (as Dan does), or less full, as Jonathan Dunford does, albeit comparing beef ropes and sheep designed by Corquoz and made by
[LUTE] Gut trebles - was String hairs
Dear Anthony, Another way of achieving gut less likely to fray is by much greater care in the selection of the unprocessed gut. In particular for trebles it has been suggested (first I believe by Eph Segerman) that a single whole gut of near uniform thickness could be used and cut with such precision that after careful twisting no or minimal 'rectification' is necessary - thus avoiding breaking of the fibres and leading to early failure. Of course this would increase the cost of such strings but then historical records suggest that strings were always very expensive. On another matter: I don't understand the comment you report Mimmo as making - 'Thanks to their high breaking index trebles are less heavily stressed'. Stress is defined purely as tension/cross-sectional area and thus trebles will, by definition, be more highly stressed than any other string. Perhaps his meaning is lost in translation ... regards Martyn --- On Fri, 20/1/12, Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: String hairs To: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 20 January, 2012, 14:18 Dear William and All, I just thought it might be worth resuming for William, the situation in relation to strong gut trebles, as appeared in discussions, here, and elsewhere, over the last few years, even though this goes a little beyond the practical concerns of which William has spoken, by raising the question (William did not ask) as to whether it is possible to achieve a string that frays less, and what the effect might be on the resulting sound. % I notice that there may be (at least) two ways of achieving this. The first would be a chemical treatment of the gut, as appears to have been done by Mimmo Peruffo, according to his text at lute News 79 Oct 2006 (P14-15); the second would be a careful use of Beef Serosa (according to Dan Larson, at Gamut). In both cases, the result would be a stronger string, than using non treated sheep gut : 1) Mimmo These (chemically treated) strings feel rather stiff to the fingertip. Thanks to their rough structure they are less liable to squashing, and less liable to jam on the nut, or be cut. Thanks to their high breaking index trebles are less heavily stressed, which becomes evident, especially through the fact that they stretch less while tuning (...). In practical terms, less peg turning is needed to reach the required pitch. Less stretching under stress means a higher resistance to fraying, which is the main problem of modern strings and is related to the action of the player's fingers, and perspiration, and string tension. Lute News 79 (in this expose, Mimmo does not say whether he was using sheep or beef gut, although his historic hypothesis must surely be that it would have been applied to sheep gut; although it should evidently be possible to apply it to beef, resulting in an even stronger string?) % 2) Dan: Because beef gut strings are stronger than sheep gut strings they are a good choice for instruments with a long string length, or higher tension situations. In addition to the extra strength, the fiber structure of beef serosa has less of the fine hairs that sometimes develop on sheep gut strings. [1]http://gamutmusic.squarespace.com/beef-gut/ % It would seem that both methods lead to a stiffer treble (which therefore frays less) and which presumably in each case also result in a brighter clearer sound: Dan: The customer feedback we have received indicate that beef gut stabilizes more quickly and holds pitch a little better than sheep gut. The tone has been described as being clearer and brighter than sheep but of equal gauge. [2]http://gamutmusic.squarespace.com/news/new-beef-gut-strings.html Ed says of Dan's beef trebles, Yes. I love the trebles. They last much longer, and have a clear, lean, wonderful sound. [3]http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg26619.html This is more or less my experience of Mimmo's chemically strengthened string (although possibly not so lean?), which I think he is also trying to achieve with his new NG trebles, which are quite bright, but as Dan W. says comparing this string with gut, slight loss of slightly richer gut sound more than compensated by a more open, distinct extroverted quality to the overtones (...) [4]http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg38490.html % Gamut does not of course make the only strong beef gut trebles. There are also testimonies about strong beef trebles by Toro (Italy) sold by Universale, as those also of Dan W. [5]http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg26619.html Universale by Toro: They are not
[LUTE] Re: Gut trebles - was String hairs
Dear Martyn It was not the translation, it was the fact that I left out a word: 'Thanks to their high breaking index THESE trebles are less heavily stressed'. thanks for spotting that, I was copying from Lute News, and slips are easy. About the idea of making a string out of a single gut, I seem to remember that Mimmo tried that and the string was very fragile (I think he mentioned it at the string conference). However, Mimmo did send me a note to say that the number of strips used and how they are twisted together could be of greater importance (more important than any difference between Sheep/Beef which he doubts, or chemical treatment). In the article, Mimmo claims the Munich strings (the best according to Mace) were probably not made of a single whole gut, as Capriola says that Munich strings are not fatter at one end (as they would have been if made from one gut). Regards Anthony - Mail original - De : Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk À : William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk; Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com Cc : lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Envoyé le : Vendredi 20 janvier 2012 17h05 Objet : [LUTE] Gut trebles - was String hairs Dear Anthony, Another way of achieving gut less likely to fray is by much greater care in the selection of the unprocessed gut. In particular for trebles it has been suggested (first I believe by Eph Segerman) that a single whole gut of near uniform thickness could be used and cut with such precision that after careful twisting no or minimal 'rectification' is necessary - thus avoiding breaking of the fibres and leading to early failure. Of course this would increase the cost of such strings but then historical records suggest that strings were always very expensive. On another matter: I don't understand the comment you report Mimmo as making - 'Thanks to their high breaking index trebles are less heavily stressed'. Stress is defined purely as tension/cross-sectional area and thus trebles will, by definition, be more highly stressed than any other string. Perhaps his meaning is lost in translation ... regards Martyn --- On Fri, 20/1/12, Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: String hairs To: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 20 January, 2012, 14:18 Dear William and All, I just thought it might be worth resuming for William, the situation in relation to strong gut trebles, as appeared in discussions, here, and elsewhere, over the last few years, even though this goes a little beyond the practical concerns of which William has spoken, by raising the question (William did not ask) as to whether it is possible to achieve a string that frays less, and what the effect might be on the resulting sound. % I notice that there may be (at least) two ways of achieving this. The first would be a chemical treatment of the gut, as appears to have been done by Mimmo Peruffo, according to his text at lute News 79 Oct 2006 (P14-15); the second would be a careful use of Beef Serosa (according to Dan Larson, at Gamut). In both cases, the result would be a stronger string, than using non treated sheep gut : 1) Mimmo These (chemically treated) strings feel rather stiff to the fingertip. Thanks to their rough structure they are less liable to squashing, and less liable to jam on the nut, or be cut. Thanks to their high breaking index trebles are less heavily stressed, which becomes evident, especially through the fact that they stretch less while tuning (...). In practical terms, less peg turning is needed to reach the required pitch. Less stretching under stress means a higher resistance to fraying, which is the main problem of modern strings and is related to the action of the player's fingers, and perspiration, and string tension. Lute News 79 (in this expose, Mimmo does not say whether he was using sheep or beef gut, although his historic hypothesis must surely be that it would have been applied to sheep gut; although it should evidently be possible to apply it to beef, resulting in an even stronger string?) % 2) Dan: Because beef gut strings are stronger than sheep gut strings they are a good choice for instruments with a long string length, or higher tension situations. In addition to the extra strength, the fiber structure of beef serosa has less of the fine hairs that sometimes develop on sheep gut strings. [1]http://gamutmusic.squarespace.com/beef-gut/ % It would seem that both methods lead to a stiffer treble (which therefore frays less) and which presumably in each case also result in a brighter clearer sound: Dan: The customer feedback we have received indicate that beef gut
[LUTE] Facsimile Dimensions
Hello Luters, I recently purchased a new facsimile edition of John Dowland's First Booke of Songes Or Ayres. (Peter Short - 1597) ($13.85 via Amazon). It is print-on-demand from EBBO (Early English Books Online). Probably from microfilm, it says it is a reproduction of an original in the Henry E. Huntington Library. It measures 7.5 x 9.75 inches. The cantus and lute tablature are on the left-hand page, with the tenor, alto, and bass on the right-hand page. It appears to be an accurate study facsimile edition, but would be difficult to read from on a table. Was the original larger? And were all the parts for a song printed on one sheet of paper? What was the original format? Thanks, Tom Tom Draughon Heartistry Music http://www.heartistry.com/artists/tom.html 714 9th Avenue West Ashland, WI 54806 715-682-9362 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facsimile Dimensions
Tom, I just looked at my old Scolar Press facsimile and measured the height of the first page of music (Unquiet thoughts). From top of the I to the bottom of the extra stanzas measures 24.7cm (10 5/8) --this is the verticle boundry of the printed area; not the page size. The publisher's Note at the beginning states that it is reproduced at the original size. This one is reprinted from the British Library. I've always found this series and those printed at the original size to be fairly legible on the table or music stand. There are other facsimiles that are shot down where it becomes pointless to sightread. For example, there is an edition of Tobias Hume that recently circulated around local viola da gambists that I consider way too small for practical play. If this too small go with Scolar Press if you can find them or Performer's Facsimiles. Sean On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:30 AM, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: Hello Luters, I recently purchased a new facsimile edition of John Dowland's First Booke of Songes Or Ayres. (Peter Short - 1597) ($13.85 via Amazon). It is print-on-demand from EBBO (Early English Books Online). Probably from microfilm, it says it is a reproduction of an original in the Henry E. Huntington Library. It measures 7.5 x 9.75 inches. The cantus and lute tablature are on the left-hand page, with the tenor, alto, and bass on the right-hand page. It appears to be an accurate study facsimile edition, but would be difficult to read from on a table. Was the original larger? And were all the parts for a song printed on one sheet of paper? What was the original format? Thanks, Tom Tom Draughon Heartistry Music http://www.heartistry.com/artists/tom.html 714 9th Avenue West Ashland, WI 54806 715-682-9362 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facsimile Dimensions
Thanks Sean, Mine measures 19cm (7.5) by 13.5cm (5 3/8) actual print on the page. Roughly 75% + of your edition. Fine for sitting in a chair and perusing. And the price was very reasonable. Thanks again, Tom Tom, I just looked at my old Scolar Press facsimile and measured the height of the first page of music (Unquiet thoughts). From top of the I to the bottom of the extra stanzas measures 24.7cm (10 5/8) --this is the verticle boundry of the printed area; not the page size. The publisher's Note at the beginning states that it is reproduced at the original size. This one is reprinted from the British Library. I've always found this series and those printed at the original size to be fairly legible on the table or music stand. There are other facsimiles that are shot down where it becomes pointless to sightread. For example, there is an edition of Tobias Hume that recently circulated around local viola da gambists that I consider way too small for practical play. If this too small go with Scolar Press if you can find them or Performer's Facsimiles. Sean On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:30 AM, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: Hello Luters, I recently purchased a new facsimile edition of John Dowland's First Booke of Songes Or Ayres. (Peter Short - 1597) ($13.85 via Amazon). It is print-on-demand from EBBO (Early English Books Online). Probably from microfilm, it says it is a reproduction of an original in the Henry E. Huntington Library. It measures 7.5 x 9.75 inches. The cantus and lute tablature are on the left-hand page, with the tenor, alto, and bass on the right-hand page. It appears to be an accurate study facsimile edition, but would be difficult to read from on a table. Was the original larger? And were all the parts for a song printed on one sheet of paper? What was the original format? Thanks, Tom Tom Draughon Heartistry Music http://www.heartistry.com/artists/tom.html 714 9th Avenue West Ashland, WI 54806 715-682-9362 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Tom Draughon Heartistry Music http://www.heartistry.com/artists/tom.html 714 9th Avenue West Ashland, WI 54806 715-682-9362
[LUTE] Re: String hairs
How do you apply it Ed? Do you take it completely off the lute, or apply with extreme care and a match stick, or similar? Regards Anthony PS I suppose it should be really minimal, application to the whole string might give an interestingly stiff string? __ De : Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp A : David Smith d...@dolcesfogato.com; LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Envoye le : Vendredi 20 janvier 2012 13h20 Objet : [LUTE] Re: String hairs You can try a bit of superglue. On Jan 19, 2012, at 3:25 PM, David Smith wrote: I have a new lute that has gut strings on it. I have had it for about 3 days. The 1^st string has unraveled a single hair about the 7^th fret. In the past I have just cut these as short as possible but frequently the string breaks within a couple of weeks. Is there any better way to treat these hairs? Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [1][1]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch [2][2]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [3][3]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. [4]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 2. [5]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 3. [6]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 2. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 3. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 4. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 5. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 6. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: String hairs
My quite tiny experience of gut strings; Cut the hairs. Oil what is left by olive oil. Seems to work. But as said, my experience with gut strings is tiny. And I never was quite happy with - especially with the high - gut strings. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: String hairs
Here's something that I posted in 2005: Eliott Chapin, as he described in a previous posting to this list, has devised a way for extending the life of gut strings, chanterelles in particular: 1. Before assembling the string on the lute, raise it to the approximate tension under which it will operate. For example, attach one end to a nail or door handle, and hang a suitable weight on the other end. 2. Make a small wad out of tissue paper, Kleenex or what-have-you. 3. Put a few drops of Krazy Glue on the wad 4. Very quickly run the wad down the length of the string. As far as I understand it, the glue, which has a very low surface tension, quickly penetrates the fibres, and has the effect of binding them together. In my experience, the string will resist much longer before starting to degrade and fray. Miles On 2012-01-20, at 5:49 PM, Anthony Hind wrote: How do you apply it Ed? Do you take it completely off the lute, or apply with extreme care and a match stick, or similar? Regards Anthony PS I suppose it should be really minimal, application to the whole string might give an interestingly stiff string? __ De : Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp A : David Smith d...@dolcesfogato.com; LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Envoye le : Vendredi 20 janvier 2012 13h20 Objet : [LUTE] Re: String hairs You can try a bit of superglue. On Jan 19, 2012, at 3:25 PM, David Smith wrote: I have a new lute that has gut strings on it. I have had it for about 3 days. The 1^st string has unraveled a single hair about the 7^th fret. In the past I have just cut these as short as possible but frequently the string breaks within a couple of weeks. Is there any better way to treat these hairs? Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [1][1]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch [2][2]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [3][3]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. [4]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 2. [5]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 3. [6]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 2. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 3. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 4. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 5. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 6. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: String hairs
Yes, yes, Ed! How do you apply it?! The super glue? A possible solution, yes. THE ONE could master a reliable skill to fix gut strings this way, so that they still tune, do not buzz and produce funny harmonics, and last a couple of weeks more then they do already, after just a trim. A really high quality cyanoacrylate glue of well chosen thickness applied BEFORE trimming, then a surgical trimming and sanding of the remaining hard bump can save the string. Unless, to begin with, the string was ran through the rectifier mercilessly and will most likely begin to unravel in a new spot. ONE can examine the string of course with a strong lens (better yet, a microscope) and judicially repair all the suspicious spots. ONE can get so fed up with the whole charade, as to buy some raw gut and twist own top string, out of a couple of guts, without sanding, and go through the whole renaissance experience of hoping for a true string and such. Then, one, nervously looking around and seeing all the people trouble-free using their time away! to polish their lute musicianship on the nasty synthetics, and getting some very decent results, while THE ONE is polishing a totally foreign and unrelated skills, THE ONE goes into the closet and tries one of those nasty synthetics himself, may be shacking and crying... The life is a continuous rerun... Yasha Heifez, Andrès Segovia, Paul ODette, David Smith... alexander r. On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 22:49:57 + (GMT) Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com wrote: How do you apply it Ed? Do you take it completely off the lute, or apply with extreme care and a match stick, or similar? Regards Anthony PS I suppose it should be really minimal, application to the whole string might give an interestingly stiff string? __ De : Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp A : David Smith d...@dolcesfogato.com; LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Envoye le : Vendredi 20 janvier 2012 13h20 Objet : [LUTE] Re: String hairs You can try a bit of superglue. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: String hairs
There is a better and cheaper method - use synthetic stings. RT - Original Message - From: Miles Dempster miles.demps...@gmail.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:31 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: String hairs Here's something that I posted in 2005: Eliott Chapin, as he described in a previous posting to this list, has devised a way for extending the life of gut strings, chanterelles in particular: 1. Before assembling the string on the lute, raise it to the approximate tension under which it will operate. For example, attach one end to a nail or door handle, and hang a suitable weight on the other end. 2. Make a small wad out of tissue paper, Kleenex or what-have-you. 3. Put a few drops of Krazy Glue on the wad 4. Very quickly run the wad down the length of the string. As far as I understand it, the glue, which has a very low surface tension, quickly penetrates the fibres, and has the effect of binding them together. In my experience, the string will resist much longer before starting to degrade and fray. Miles On 2012-01-20, at 5:49 PM, Anthony Hind wrote: How do you apply it Ed? Do you take it completely off the lute, or apply with extreme care and a match stick, or similar? Regards Anthony PS I suppose it should be really minimal, application to the whole string might give an interestingly stiff string? __ De : Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp A : David Smith d...@dolcesfogato.com; LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Envoye le : Vendredi 20 janvier 2012 13h20 Objet : [LUTE] Re: String hairs You can try a bit of superglue. On Jan 19, 2012, at 3:25 PM, David Smith wrote: I have a new lute that has gut strings on it. I have had it for about 3 days. The 1^st string has unraveled a single hair about the 7^th fret. In the past I have just cut these as short as possible but frequently the string breaks within a couple of weeks. Is there any better way to treat these hairs? Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [1][1]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch [2][2]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [3][3]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. [4]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 2. [5]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 3. [6]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 2. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 3. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 4. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 5. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 6. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: String hairs
I'd rather be playing, not to mention composing, rather than staring at a sting through the microscope. RT - Original Message - From: alexander voka...@verizon.net To: Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com Cc: Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: String hairs Yes, yes, Ed! How do you apply it?! The super glue? A possible solution, yes. THE ONE could master a reliable skill to fix gut strings this way, so that they still tune, do not buzz and produce funny harmonics, and last a couple of weeks more then they do already, after just a trim. A really high quality cyanoacrylate glue of well chosen thickness applied BEFORE trimming, then a surgical trimming and sanding of the remaining hard bump can save the string. Unless, to begin with, the string was ran through the rectifier mercilessly and will most likely begin to unravel in a new spot. ONE can examine the string of course with a strong lens (better yet, a microscope) and judicially repair all the suspicious spots. ONE can get so fed up with the whole charade, as to buy some raw gut and twist own top string, out of a couple of guts, without sanding, and go through the whole renaissance experience of hoping for a true string and such. Then, one, nervously looking around and seeing all the people trouble-free using their time away! to polish their lute musicianship on the nasty synthetics, and getting some very decent results, while THE ONE is polishing a totally foreign and unrelated skills, THE ONE goes into the closet and tries one of those nasty synthetics himself, may be shacking and crying... The life is a continuous rerun... Yasha Heifez, Andrès Segovia, Paul ODette, David Smith... alexander r. On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 22:49:57 + (GMT) Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com wrote: How do you apply it Ed? Do you take it completely off the lute, or apply with extreme care and a match stick, or similar? Regards Anthony PS I suppose it should be really minimal, application to the whole string might give an interestingly stiff string? __ De : Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp A : David Smith d...@dolcesfogato.com; LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Envoye le : Vendredi 20 janvier 2012 13h20 Objet : [LUTE] Re: String hairs You can try a bit of superglue. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: String hairs
at a stRing. RT I'd rather be playing, not to mention composing, rather than staring at a sting through the microscope. RT - Original Message - From: alexander voka...@verizon.net To: Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com Cc: Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: String hairs Yes, yes, Ed! How do you apply it?! The super glue? A possible solution, yes. THE ONE could master a reliable skill to fix gut strings this way, so that they still tune, do not buzz and produce funny harmonics, and last a couple of weeks more then they do already, after just a trim. A really high quality cyanoacrylate glue of well chosen thickness applied BEFORE trimming, then a surgical trimming and sanding of the remaining hard bump can save the string. Unless, to begin with, the string was ran through the rectifier mercilessly and will most likely begin to unravel in a new spot. ONE can examine the string of course with a strong lens (better yet, a microscope) and judicially repair all the suspicious spots. ONE can get so fed up with the whole charade, as to buy some raw gut and twist own top string, out of a couple of guts, without sanding, and go through the whole renaissance experience of hoping for a true string and such. Then, one, nervously looking around and seeing all the people trouble-free using their time away! to polish their lute musicianship on the nasty synthetics, and getting some very decent results, while THE ONE is polishing a totally foreign and unrelated skills, THE ONE goes into the closet and tries one of those nasty synthetics himself, may be shacking and crying... The life is a continuous rerun... Yasha Heifez, Andrès Segovia, Paul ODette, David Smith... alexander r. On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 22:49:57 + (GMT) Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com wrote: How do you apply it Ed? Do you take it completely off the lute, or apply with extreme care and a match stick, or similar? Regards Anthony PS I suppose it should be really minimal, application to the whole string might give an interestingly stiff string? __ De : Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp A : David Smith d...@dolcesfogato.com; LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Envoye le : Vendredi 20 janvier 2012 13h20 Objet : [LUTE] Re: String hairs You can try a bit of superglue. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: String hairs
How about this solution? Have two (at least) lutes, with gut on one and synthetic on the other. Do your 2 or 3 - or more - hours of practicing on the synthetic lute and then finish the day or evening with a blissful session with the gut lute. On Jan 20, 2012, at 6:40 PM, alexander wrote: Yes, yes, Ed! How do you apply it?! The super glue? A possible solution, yes. THE ONE could master a reliable skill to fix gut strings this way, so that they still tune, do not buzz and produce funny harmonics, and last a couple of weeks more then they do already, after just a trim. A really high quality cyanoacrylate glue of well chosen thickness applied BEFORE trimming, then a surgical trimming and sanding of the remaining hard bump can save the string. Unless, to begin with, the string was ran through the rectifier mercilessly and will most likely begin to unravel in a new spot. ONE can examine the string of course with a strong lens (better yet, a microscope) and judicially repair all the suspicious spots. ONE can get so fed up with the whole charade, as to buy some raw gut and twist own top string, out of a couple of guts, without sanding, and go through the whole renaissance experience of hoping for a true string and such. Then, one, nervously looking around and seeing all the people trouble-free using their time aw! ay to polish their lute musicianship on the nasty synthetics, and getting some very decent results, while THE ONE is polishing a totally foreign and unrelated skills, THE ONE goes into the closet and tries one of those nasty synthetics himself, may be shacking and crying... The life is a continuous rerun... Yasha Heifez, Andrès Segovia, Paul ODette, David Smith... alexander r. On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 22:49:57 + (GMT) Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com wrote: How do you apply it Ed? Do you take it completely off the lute, or apply with extreme care and a match stick, or similar? Regards Anthony PS I suppose it should be really minimal, application to the whole string might give an interestingly stiff string? __ De : Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp A : David Smith d...@dolcesfogato.com; LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Envoye le : Vendredi 20 janvier 2012 13h20 Objet : [LUTE] Re: String hairs You can try a bit of superglue. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: String hairs
neither does String. RT From: t...@heartistrymusic.com Sting probably doesn't want to be looked at through a microscope anyway. at a stRing. RT I'd rather be playing, not to mention composing, rather than staring at a sting through the microscope. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: String hairs
Ok. I get it. I do like the sound of gut and will probably persevere. I am known for being stubborn anyway. Having said that I am getting a quote on nylgut for my 10 course (while keeping gut on my 7 and 8 course renaissance lutes and my theorbo)... Foolish, but what the heck, life is short (for people and gut strings). Thanks to all for the suggestions. I just need to increase my string budget. Regards David -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Mast Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:30 PM To: alexander Cc: Anthony Hind; Ed Durbrow; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: String hairs How about this solution? Have two (at least) lutes, with gut on one and synthetic on the other. Do your 2 or 3 - or more - hours of practicing on the synthetic lute and then finish the day or evening with a blissful session with the gut lute. On Jan 20, 2012, at 6:40 PM, alexander wrote: Yes, yes, Ed! How do you apply it?! The super glue? A possible solution, yes. THE ONE could master a reliable skill to fix gut strings this way, so that they still tune, do not buzz and produce funny harmonics, and last a couple of weeks more then they do already, after just a trim. A really high quality cyanoacrylate glue of well chosen thickness applied BEFORE trimming, then a surgical trimming and sanding of the remaining hard bump can save the string. Unless, to begin with, the string was ran through the rectifier mercilessly and will most likely begin to unravel in a new spot. ONE can examine the string of course with a strong lens (better yet, a microscope) and judicially repair all the suspicious spots. ONE can get so fed up with the whole charade, as to buy some raw gut and twist own top string, out of a couple of guts, without sanding, and go through the whole renaissance experience of hoping for a true string and such. Then, one, nervously looking around and seeing all the people trouble-free using their time aw! ay to polish their lute musicianship on the nasty synthetics, and getting some very decent results, while THE ONE is polishing a totally foreign and unrelated skills, THE ONE goes into the closet and tries one of those nasty synthetics himself, may be shacking and crying... The life is a continuous rerun... Yasha Heifez, Andrès Segovia, Paul ODette, David Smith... alexander r. On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 22:49:57 + (GMT) Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com wrote: How do you apply it Ed? Do you take it completely off the lute, or apply with extreme care and a match stick, or similar? Regards Anthony PS I suppose it should be really minimal, application to the whole string might give an interestingly stiff string? __ De : Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp A : David Smith d...@dolcesfogato.com; LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Envoye le : Vendredi 20 janvier 2012 13h20 Objet : [LUTE] Re: String hairs You can try a bit of superglue. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: String hairs
I've only used it a couple of times or maybe one time. I can't remember what I did, but the challenge is to not get a blob on the string and also not end up gluing your thumb and forefinger together! On Jan 21, 2012, at 7:49 AM, Anthony Hind wrote: How do you apply it Ed? Do you take it completely off the lute, or apply with extreme care and a match stick, or similar? Regards Anthony PS I suppose it should be really minimal, application to the whole string might give an interestingly stiff string? Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Gaultier recording
I have uploaded two very famous pieces by Denis Gaultier on youtube. Home recording. If anyone interested: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt10ZL7Xjog Caius -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt10ZL7Xjog To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
