[LUTE] Re: De Visee
I don't doubt that 17th century players who used nails had nice finish
on their nails and a nice sound as a result.
My curiosity is what does solo theorbo music sound like when
competently played with nails?
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To: magnus andersson
Cc: Yuval Dvoran; John Mardinly; Roland Hayes; jslute; Lute
Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
My first guitar teacher Rolando Valdes-Blain taught his students to use
finely crushed pumice stone and leather from a deer (it happened to be
a piece from a hunter friend).Rolando was old enough to play on gut
strings until he came back from WW2.
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> On May 7, 2019, at 5:20 PM, magnus andersson
wrote:
>
> Dear collective wisdom,
> From what I have understood, it seems like manicure has been around
> since at least 3200 BC, so I assume players like Piccinini,
Corbetta
> (who we know had
> to cancel one of his concerts due to a broken nail- and still pay
his
> fellow musicians from his own pocket!) and perhaps de Visée had
found
> a way for them to get it to work without shredding and tearing
their
> strings apart constantly, and - to quote Piccinini:
>
> "the one, and very important [thing] is to play neatly, and
cleanly; In
> the manner that all small touches of the string may be schietto,
like
> pearl[s]"
> /Magnus
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2019, 10:45:44 PM GMT+2, John Mardinly
>wrote:
> Pure speculation. Where are the facts? Can anyone document good
nail
> polishing techniques that may have been used centuries ago? I
would
> love to see it. Techniques used to polish things from telescope
> lenses
> and mirrors to razors would not work well on fingernails. The
chamois
> stropping technique used by Segovia because there was not much
better
> in the mid 20th Century would be deemed laughable today among
those
> who
> play with nails.
> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
> On May 7, 2019, at 4:48 AM, Yuval Dvoran
> <[1][1]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de>
> wrote:
> Hahahaha good point!
> To add something substantial to the discussion, I'd like to
remember
> you that also plants exist which were used for thousands of years
to
> polish wood (and maybe also fingernails), e.g. Equisetum
> ("Schachtelhalm" in German).Am 07.05.2019 13:31 schrieb jslute
> <[2][2]jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:
> Dear All:
> Might I suggest that a culture sophisticated enough to
build
> lutes and
> craft overwound strings could have figured out a way to
file
> and
> polish
> their nails.
> Jim Stimson
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> Original message
> From: John Mardinly <[3][3]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
> Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Roland Hayes <[4][4]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
> Cc: Lute List <[5][5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
> More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some of the
> modern
> files and abrasives used to polish the nails. Badly
prepared
> nails give
> a terrible result for both sound and playability. My
teacher
> back
> in
> 1965 had studied with Segovia, and showed me how Segovia
> prepared
> his
> nails: after some filing, he used a wooden block with a
saw-cut
> slot in
> it and a piece of chamois wrapped around the wooden block.
The
> nail was
> then rubbed back and forth on the chamois over the slot,
which
> acted as
> a track to guide the nail. When I began to study metallurgy
and
> the art
> of cross-sectioning and polishing metals to view their
> microstructure,
> I experienced a revolution in materials to polish the nails
> that
> were
> quickly adopted by many people playing with nails.
> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
>> On May 6, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Roland Hayes
> <[6][6]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Do we think he played with nails? Lutenists did not as I
> understand,
>> but
>>
>> I have always thought his lute pieces were merely
> arrangements of
>> guitar/theorbo pieces. For those instruments we can
> establish
> the
> use
>> of nails.
>>
>> And if deVisee
[LUTE] Re: De Visee
My first guitar teacher Rolando Valdes-Blain taught his students to use finely
crushed pumice stone and leather from a deer (it happened to be a piece from a
hunter friend).Rolando was old enough to play on gut strings until he came back
from WW2.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 7, 2019, at 5:20 PM, magnus andersson
> wrote:
>
> Dear collective wisdom,
> From what I have understood, it seems like manicure has been around
> since at least 3200 BC, so I assume players like Piccinini, Corbetta
> (who we know had
> to cancel one of his concerts due to a broken nail- and still pay his
> fellow musicians from his own pocket!) and perhaps de Visée had found
> a way for them to get it to work without shredding and tearing their
> strings apart constantly, and - to quote Piccinini:
>
> "the one, and very important [thing] is to play neatly, and cleanly; In
> the manner that all small touches of the string may be schietto, like
> pearl[s]"
> /Magnus
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2019, 10:45:44 PM GMT+2, John Mardinly
>wrote:
> Pure speculation. Where are the facts? Can anyone document good nail
> polishing techniques that may have been used centuries ago? I would
> love to see it. Techniques used to polish things from telescope
> lenses
> and mirrors to razors would not work well on fingernails. The chamois
> stropping technique used by Segovia because there was not much better
> in the mid 20th Century would be deemed laughable today among those
> who
> play with nails.
> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
> On May 7, 2019, at 4:48 AM, Yuval Dvoran
> <[1][1]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de>
> wrote:
> Hahahaha good point!
> To add something substantial to the discussion, I'd like to remember
> you that also plants exist which were used for thousands of years to
> polish wood (and maybe also fingernails), e.g. Equisetum
> ("Schachtelhalm" in German).Am 07.05.2019 13:31 schrieb jslute
> <[2][2]jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:
> Dear All:
> Might I suggest that a culture sophisticated enough to build
> lutes and
> craft overwound strings could have figured out a way to file
> and
> polish
> their nails.
> Jim Stimson
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> Original message
> From: John Mardinly <[3][3]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
> Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Roland Hayes <[4][4]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
> Cc: Lute List <[5][5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
> More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some of the
> modern
> files and abrasives used to polish the nails. Badly prepared
> nails give
> a terrible result for both sound and playability. My teacher
> back
> in
> 1965 had studied with Segovia, and showed me how Segovia
> prepared
> his
> nails: after some filing, he used a wooden block with a saw-cut
> slot in
> it and a piece of chamois wrapped around the wooden block. The
> nail was
> then rubbed back and forth on the chamois over the slot, which
> acted as
> a track to guide the nail. When I began to study metallurgy and
> the art
> of cross-sectioning and polishing metals to view their
> microstructure,
> I experienced a revolution in materials to polish the nails
> that
> were
> quickly adopted by many people playing with nails.
> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
>> On May 6, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Roland Hayes
> <[6][6]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Do we think he played with nails? Lutenists did not as I
> understand,
>> but
>>
>> I have always thought his lute pieces were merely
> arrangements of
>> guitar/theorbo pieces. For those instruments we can
> establish
> the
> use
>> of nails.
>>
>> And if deVisee played guitar with nails, then he most likely
> played
>> theorbo with nails as well. Yes? Glue on nails had yet to
> arrive on
> the
>> scene.
>>
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[LUTE] Re: De Visee
Dear collective wisdom,
From what I have understood, it seems like manicure has been around
since at least 3200 BC, so I assume players like Piccinini, Corbetta
(who we know had
to cancel one of his concerts due to a broken nail- and still pay his
fellow musicians from his own pocket!) and perhaps de Visée had found
a way for them to get it to work without shredding and tearing their
strings apart constantly, and - to quote Piccinini:
"the one, and very important [thing] is to play neatly, and cleanly; In
the manner that all small touches of the string may be schietto, like
pearl[s]"
/Magnus
On Tuesday, May 7, 2019, 10:45:44 PM GMT+2, John Mardinly
wrote:
Pure speculation. Where are the facts? Can anyone document good nail
polishing techniques that may have been used centuries ago? I would
love to see it. Techniques used to polish things from telescope
lenses
and mirrors to razors would not work well on fingernails. The chamois
stropping technique used by Segovia because there was not much better
in the mid 20th Century would be deemed laughable today among those
who
play with nails.
A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
On May 7, 2019, at 4:48 AM, Yuval Dvoran
<[1][1]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de>
wrote:
Hahahaha good point!
To add something substantial to the discussion, I'd like to remember
you that also plants exist which were used for thousands of years to
polish wood (and maybe also fingernails), e.g. Equisetum
("Schachtelhalm" in German).Am 07.05.2019 13:31 schrieb jslute
<[2][2]jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:
Dear All:
Might I suggest that a culture sophisticated enough to build
lutes and
craft overwound strings could have figured out a way to file
and
polish
their nails.
Jim Stimson
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
Original message
From: John Mardinly <[3][3]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Roland Hayes <[4][4]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
Cc: Lute List <[5][5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some of the
modern
files and abrasives used to polish the nails. Badly prepared
nails give
a terrible result for both sound and playability. My teacher
back
in
1965 had studied with Segovia, and showed me how Segovia
prepared
his
nails: after some filing, he used a wooden block with a saw-cut
slot in
it and a piece of chamois wrapped around the wooden block. The
nail was
then rubbed back and forth on the chamois over the slot, which
acted as
a track to guide the nail. When I began to study metallurgy and
the art
of cross-sectioning and polishing metals to view their
microstructure,
I experienced a revolution in materials to polish the nails
that
were
quickly adopted by many people playing with nails.
A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
> On May 6, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Roland Hayes
<[6][6]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
wrote:
>
> Do we think he played with nails? Lutenists did not as I
understand,
> but
>
> I have always thought his lute pieces were merely
arrangements of
> guitar/theorbo pieces. For those instruments we can
establish
the
use
> of nails.
>
> And if deVisee played guitar with nails, then he most likely
played
> theorbo with nails as well. Yes? Glue on nails had yet to
arrive on
the
> scene.
>
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[LUTE] Re: De Visee
After I pare my nails I step outside and find a brick sidewalk or wall
and sweep the back of my hand over it--the opposite direction you'd use
to scratch your fingers on the blackboard to irritate others. It's a
crude ceramic abrasive surface but it works. I could spend more time on
it for perfection, I suppose and it's a technology I and my renaissance
counterparts have/had available.
Sean
On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 1:46 PM John Mardinly <[1]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
wrote:
Pure speculation. Where are the facts? Can anyone document good
nail
polishing techniques that may have been used centuries ago? I
would
love to see it. Techniques used to polish things from telescope
lenses
and mirrors to razors would not work well on fingernails. The
chamois
stropping technique used by Segovia because there was not much
better
in the mid 20th Century would be deemed laughable today among
those who
play with nails.
A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
On May 7, 2019, at 4:48 AM, Yuval Dvoran
<[1][2]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de>
wrote:
Hahahaha good point!
To add something substantial to the discussion, I'd like to
remember
you that also plants exist which were used for thousands of years
to
polish wood (and maybe also fingernails), e.g. Equisetum
("Schachtelhalm" in German).Am 07.05.2019 13:31 schrieb jslute
<[2][3]jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:
Dear All:
Might I suggest that a culture sophisticated enough to
build
lutes and
craft overwound strings could have figured out a way to file
and
polish
their nails.
Jim Stimson
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
Original message
From: John Mardinly <[3][4]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Roland Hayes <[4][5]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
Cc: Lute List <[5][6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some of the
modern
files and abrasives used to polish the nails. Badly prepared
nails give
a terrible result for both sound and playability. My teacher
back
in
1965 had studied with Segovia, and showed me how Segovia
prepared
his
nails: after some filing, he used a wooden block with a
saw-cut
slot in
it and a piece of chamois wrapped around the wooden block.
The
nail was
then rubbed back and forth on the chamois over the slot,
which
acted as
a track to guide the nail. When I began to study metallurgy
and
the art
of cross-sectioning and polishing metals to view their
microstructure,
I experienced a revolution in materials to polish the nails
that
were
quickly adopted by many people playing with nails.
A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
> On May 6, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Roland Hayes
<[6][7]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
wrote:
>
>Do we think he played with nails? Lutenists did not as
I
understand,
>but
>
>I have always thought his lute pieces were merely
arrangements of
>guitar/theorbo pieces. For those instruments we can
establish
the
use
>of nails.
>
>And if deVisee played guitar with nails, then he most
likely
played
>theorbo with nails as well. Yes? Glue on nails had yet
to
arrive on
the
>scene.
>
>Get [1]Outlook for Android
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>This message is intended only for the use of the
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or
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>privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure
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[LUTE] Re: De Visee
Manicure has been around a long more than lute-playing.
RT
On 5/7/2019 4:44 PM, John Mardinly wrote:
Pure speculation. Where are the facts? Can anyone document good nail
polishing techniques that may have been used centuries ago? I would
love to see it. Techniques used to polish things from telescope lenses
and mirrors to razors would not work well on fingernails. The chamois
stropping technique used by Segovia because there was not much better
in the mid 20th Century would be deemed laughable today among those who
play with nails.
A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
On May 7, 2019, at 4:48 AM, Yuval Dvoran <[1]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de>
wrote:
Hahahaha good point!
To add something substantial to the discussion, I'd like to remember
you that also plants exist which were used for thousands of years to
polish wood (and maybe also fingernails), e.g. Equisetum
("Schachtelhalm" in German).Am 07.05.2019 13:31 schrieb jslute
<[2]jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:
Dear All:
Might I suggest that a culture sophisticated enough to build
lutes and
craft overwound strings could have figured out a way to file and
polish
their nails.
Jim Stimson
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
Original message
From: John Mardinly <[3]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Roland Hayes <[4]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
Cc: Lute List <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some of the
modern
files and abrasives used to polish the nails. Badly prepared
nails give
a terrible result for both sound and playability. My teacher back
in
1965 had studied with Segovia, and showed me how Segovia prepared
his
nails: after some filing, he used a wooden block with a saw-cut
slot in
it and a piece of chamois wrapped around the wooden block. The
nail was
then rubbed back and forth on the chamois over the slot, which
acted as
a track to guide the nail. When I began to study metallurgy and
the art
of cross-sectioning and polishing metals to view their
microstructure,
I experienced a revolution in materials to polish the nails that
were
quickly adopted by many people playing with nails.
A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
> On May 6, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Roland Hayes
<[6]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
wrote:
>
> Do we think he played with nails? Lutenists did not as I
understand,
> but
>
> I have always thought his lute pieces were merely
arrangements of
> guitar/theorbo pieces. For those instruments we can establish
the
use
> of nails.
>
> And if deVisee played guitar with nails, then he most likely
played
> theorbo with nails as well. Yes? Glue on nails had yet to
arrive on
the
> scene.
>
> Get [1]Outlook for Android
>
> This message is intended only for the use of the individual
or
entity
> to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is
> privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under
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recipient,
or
> the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message
to the
> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
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> distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly
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[LUTE] Re: De Visee
Actually this is very interesting. Here is link to a photo of Equisetum:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equisetum_hyemale#/media/File:Dried_Equisetum_hyemale.jpg
used for centuries in Japan to polish swords. I doubt that it would as well on
nails as modern abrasive paper.The first ’sandpaper’ was supposedly invented in
China in the 13th century. 'Glass paper' was manufactured in London in 1833 by
John Oakey, whose company had developed new adhesive techniques and processes,
enabling mass production, but modern ‘wet or dry’ paper with silicon carbide
grit was not invented until 1921 (by 3M). Metal finishing centuries ago in
Europe, like for polishing armor and swords, was done primarily using stones.
My father was a wood hobbyist, refinishing wood from the time I was a child,
and none of the abrasives he had access to in Philadelphia in the 60’s would
have been useful for for preparing nails for playing, by today’s standards.
So, I submit that if deVisee played with nails, it would not be anything at all
like a modern player using nails finished with modern 3M papers.
A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
> On May 7, 2019, at 1:44 PM, John Mardinly wrote:
>
> Pure speculation. Where are the facts? Can anyone document good nail
> polishing techniques that may have been used centuries ago? I would
> love to see it. Techniques used to polish things from telescope lenses
> and mirrors to razors would not work well on fingernails. The chamois
> stropping technique used by Segovia because there was not much better
> in the mid 20th Century would be deemed laughable today among those who
> play with nails.
>
> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
>
> On May 7, 2019, at 4:48 AM, Yuval Dvoran <[1]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de>
> wrote:
>
> Hahahaha good point!
> To add something substantial to the discussion, I'd like to remember
> you that also plants exist which were used for thousands of years to
> polish wood (and maybe also fingernails), e.g. Equisetum
> ("Schachtelhalm" in German).Am 07.05.2019 13:31 schrieb jslute
> <[2]jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:
>
>Dear All:
> Might I suggest that a culture sophisticated enough to build
> lutes and
>craft overwound strings could have figured out a way to file and
> polish
>their nails.
>Jim Stimson
>Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> Original message
>From: John Mardinly <[3]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
>Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
>To: Roland Hayes <[4]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
>Cc: Lute List <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
>More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some of the
> modern
>files and abrasives used to polish the nails. Badly prepared
> nails give
>a terrible result for both sound and playability. My teacher back
> in
>1965 had studied with Segovia, and showed me how Segovia prepared
> his
>nails: after some filing, he used a wooden block with a saw-cut
> slot in
>it and a piece of chamois wrapped around the wooden block. The
> nail was
>then rubbed back and forth on the chamois over the slot, which
> acted as
>a track to guide the nail. When I began to study metallurgy and
> the art
>of cross-sectioning and polishing metals to view their
> microstructure,
>I experienced a revolution in materials to polish the nails that
> were
>quickly adopted by many people playing with nails.
>A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
>> On May 6, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Roland Hayes
> <[6]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
>wrote:
>>
>> Do we think he played with nails? Lutenists did not as I
>understand,
>> but
>>
>> I have always thought his lute pieces were merely
> arrangements of
>> guitar/theorbo pieces. For those instruments we can establish
> the
>use
>> of nails.
>>
>> And if deVisee played guitar with nails, then he most likely
> played
>> theorbo with nails as well. Yes? Glue on nails had yet to
> arrive on
>the
>> scene.
>>
>> Get [1]Outlook for Android
>>
>> This message is intended only for the use of the individual
> or
>entity
>> to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is
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[LUTE] Re: De Visee
Pure speculation. Where are the facts? Can anyone document good nail
polishing techniques that may have been used centuries ago? I would
love to see it. Techniques used to polish things from telescope lenses
and mirrors to razors would not work well on fingernails. The chamois
stropping technique used by Segovia because there was not much better
in the mid 20th Century would be deemed laughable today among those who
play with nails.
A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
On May 7, 2019, at 4:48 AM, Yuval Dvoran <[1]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de>
wrote:
Hahahaha good point!
To add something substantial to the discussion, I'd like to remember
you that also plants exist which were used for thousands of years to
polish wood (and maybe also fingernails), e.g. Equisetum
("Schachtelhalm" in German).Am 07.05.2019 13:31 schrieb jslute
<[2]jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:
Dear All:
Might I suggest that a culture sophisticated enough to build
lutes and
craft overwound strings could have figured out a way to file and
polish
their nails.
Jim Stimson
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
Original message
From: John Mardinly <[3]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Roland Hayes <[4]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
Cc: Lute List <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some of the
modern
files and abrasives used to polish the nails. Badly prepared
nails give
a terrible result for both sound and playability. My teacher back
in
1965 had studied with Segovia, and showed me how Segovia prepared
his
nails: after some filing, he used a wooden block with a saw-cut
slot in
it and a piece of chamois wrapped around the wooden block. The
nail was
then rubbed back and forth on the chamois over the slot, which
acted as
a track to guide the nail. When I began to study metallurgy and
the art
of cross-sectioning and polishing metals to view their
microstructure,
I experienced a revolution in materials to polish the nails that
were
quickly adopted by many people playing with nails.
A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
> On May 6, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Roland Hayes
<[6]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
wrote:
>
> Do we think he played with nails? Lutenists did not as I
understand,
> but
>
> I have always thought his lute pieces were merely
arrangements of
> guitar/theorbo pieces. For those instruments we can establish
the
use
> of nails.
>
> And if deVisee played guitar with nails, then he most likely
played
> theorbo with nails as well. Yes? Glue on nails had yet to
arrive on
the
> scene.
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[LUTE] Re: De Visee
Hahahaha good point!
To add something substantial to the discussion, I'd like to remember you that
also plants exist which were used for thousands of years to polish wood (and
maybe also fingernails), e.g. Equisetum ("Schachtelhalm" in German).Am
07.05.2019 13:31 schrieb jslute :
>
> Dear All:
>
> Might I suggest that a culture sophisticated enough to build lutes and
> craft overwound strings could have figured out a way to file and polish
> their nails.
>
> Jim Stimson
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
> Original message
> From: John Mardinly
> Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Roland Hayes
> Cc: Lute List
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
>
> More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some of the modern
> files and abrasives used to polish the nails. Badly prepared nails give
> a terrible result for both sound and playability. My teacher back in
> 1965 had studied with Segovia, and showed me how Segovia prepared his
> nails: after some filing, he used a wooden block with a saw-cut slot in
> it and a piece of chamois wrapped around the wooden block. The nail was
> then rubbed back and forth on the chamois over the slot, which acted as
> a track to guide the nail. When I began to study metallurgy and the art
> of cross-sectioning and polishing metals to view their microstructure,
> I experienced a revolution in materials to polish the nails that were
> quickly adopted by many people playing with nails.
> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
> > On May 6, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Roland Hayes
> wrote:
> >
> > Do we think he played with nails? Lutenists did not as I
> understand,
> > but
> >
> > I have always thought his lute pieces were merely arrangements of
> > guitar/theorbo pieces. For those instruments we can establish the
> use
> > of nails.
> >
> > And if deVisee played guitar with nails, then he most likely played
> > theorbo with nails as well. Yes? Glue on nails had yet to arrive on
> the
> > scene.
> >
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[LUTE] Re: De Visee
Dear All:
Might I suggest that a culture sophisticated enough to build lutes and
craft overwound strings could have figured out a way to file and polish
their nails.
Jim Stimson
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
Original message
From: John Mardinly
Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Roland Hayes
Cc: Lute List
Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some of the modern
files and abrasives used to polish the nails. Badly prepared nails give
a terrible result for both sound and playability. My teacher back in
1965 had studied with Segovia, and showed me how Segovia prepared his
nails: after some filing, he used a wooden block with a saw-cut slot in
it and a piece of chamois wrapped around the wooden block. The nail was
then rubbed back and forth on the chamois over the slot, which acted as
a track to guide the nail. When I began to study metallurgy and the art
of cross-sectioning and polishing metals to view their microstructure,
I experienced a revolution in materials to polish the nails that were
quickly adopted by many people playing with nails.
A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
> On May 6, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Roland Hayes
wrote:
>
> Do we think he played with nails? Lutenists did not as I
understand,
> but
>
> I have always thought his lute pieces were merely arrangements of
> guitar/theorbo pieces. For those instruments we can establish the
use
> of nails.
>
> And if deVisee played guitar with nails, then he most likely played
> theorbo with nails as well. Yes? Glue on nails had yet to arrive on
the
> scene.
>
> Get [1]Outlook for Android
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> This message is intended only for the use of the individual or
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