My first guitar teacher Rolando Valdes-Blain taught his students to use finely
crushed pumice stone and leather from a deer (it happened to be a piece from a
hunter friend).Rolando was old enough to play on gut strings until he came back
from WW2.
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> On May 7, 2019, at 5:20 PM, magnus andersson <maan7...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Dear collective wisdom,
> From what I have understood, it seems like manicure has been around
> since at least 3200 BC, so I assume players like Piccinini, Corbetta
> (who we know had
> to cancel one of his concerts due to a broken nail- and still pay his
> fellow musicians from his own pocket!) and perhaps de Visée had found
> a way for them to get it to work without shredding and tearing their
> strings apart constantly, and - to quote Piccinini:
>
> "the one, and very important [thing] is to play neatly, and cleanly; In
> the manner that all small touches of the string may be schietto, like
> pearl[s]"
> /Magnus
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2019, 10:45:44 PM GMT+2, John Mardinly
> <john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote:
> Pure speculation. Where are the facts? Can anyone document good nail
> polishing techniques that may have been used centuries ago? I would
> love to see it. Techniques used to polish things from telescope
> lenses
> and mirrors to razors would not work well on fingernails. The chamois
> stropping technique used by Segovia because there was not much better
> in the mid 20th Century would be deemed laughable today among those
> who
> play with nails.
> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
> On May 7, 2019, at 4:48 AM, Yuval Dvoran
> <[1][1]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de>
> wrote:
> Hahahaha good point!
> To add something substantial to the discussion, I'd like to remember
> you that also plants exist which were used for thousands of years to
> polish wood (and maybe also fingernails), e.g. Equisetum
> ("Schachtelhalm" in German).Am 07.05.2019 13:31 schrieb jslute
> <[2][2]jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:
> Dear All:
> Might I suggest that a culture sophisticated enough to build
> lutes and
> craft overwound strings could have figured out a way to file
> and
> polish
> their nails.
> Jim Stimson
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: John Mardinly <[3][3]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
> Date: 5/6/19 6:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Roland Hayes <[4][4]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
> Cc: Lute List <[5][5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: De Visee
> More lacking than glue-on-nails might have been some of the
> modern
> files and abrasives used to polish the nails. Badly prepared
> nails give
> a terrible result for both sound and playability. My teacher
> back
> in
> 1965 had studied with Segovia, and showed me how Segovia
> prepared
> his
> nails: after some filing, he used a wooden block with a saw-cut
> slot in
> it and a piece of chamois wrapped around the wooden block. The
> nail was
> then rubbed back and forth on the chamois over the slot, which
> acted as
> a track to guide the nail. When I began to study metallurgy and
> the art
> of cross-sectioning and polishing metals to view their
> microstructure,
> I experienced a revolution in materials to polish the nails
> that
> were
> quickly adopted by many people playing with nails.
> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
>> On May 6, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Roland Hayes
> <[6][6]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
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>>
>> Do we think he played with nails? Lutenists did not as I
> understand,
>> but
>>
>> I have always thought his lute pieces were merely
> arrangements of
>> guitar/theorbo pieces. For those instruments we can
> establish
> the
> use
>> of nails.
>>
>> And if deVisee played guitar with nails, then he most likely
> played
>> theorbo with nails as well. Yes? Glue on nails had yet to
> arrive on
> the
>> scene.
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