[LUTE] Re: sofracob prices
Dear David Thank you for your reply which shows my memory did not completely fail me after all, but my lateral thinking nevertheless was a little too far to the side, not to say skew-whiff! Do you use Nick's strings mainly on the top (high-twist, or also in the mid)? Is it fair to say that they are of similar durability, but a little softer to the touch than the Kuerschner? I will drop into your site and listen to you with your Korean soprano. Those must be very pleasant evening meals with Toyohiko Satoh, including the gut talk. I am glad to have made you a virtual 11c Baroque player; as it is said of the Kyudos archer A true shot is not just one that hits the center of the target, but one where the arrow can be said to exist in the target before its release; so perhaps a good Baroque lute player is one who is already playing in his mind's-eye even before he has obtained his Baroque lute. No I am afraid that is my lateral thinking going awry again, or just my wishful thinking. Regards Anthony Le 9 fevr. 07 =E0 17:04, LGS-Europe a ecrit : Dear Anthony ago, in which I thought you mentioned playing Baroque music in an ensemble; but now I think about it, could have been any form of continuo playing Mostly on archlutes, some theorbo and 10-course. with Nick Baldock at the same time and I may be confusing the two messages. I know he (also?) spoke about the excellent projection of gut strings in ensemble playing, but of course in his case, it was His gut strings are superb! This error was reinforced, by hearing you accompany a singer with your arch lute (obviously not Baroque), but I could have sworn you ventured into Purcell territory. Guilty as charged. I think there's even a clip of mine playing Music for a While on an all-gut archlute with an all-Korean soprano on my website. She was gutsy, too, by the way. Never saw a lute before, no rehearsal, immediate recording. Recording engineer loved the strings, too. strongly associate you (I feel sure?) with Toyohiko Satoh (who does play Baroque lute?) He does, and in our conversations gut strings do tend to take the place of the more obvious subjects sashimi and sake once in a while. We meet over dinners a lot. :-) So now it seems I have made you a virtual Baroque lute player, as I It's the cheaper option for now, anyway. Occasionally I am asked to play some Bach solo, and then I cheat on a 10-course or archlute. I can get away with Bach, I feel, but the glorious French baroque music does need an 11-course. So, I too will yield one day. David -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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I have not used gut strings on a Baroque instrument, however. It would be best to ask advice from those that have. I know that David van Ooijen amongst others, uses all gut on his Baroque lutes. Dear Anthony It's nice to know one doesn't even have to play a single baroque lute to be known as a player who plays more than one. I must confess to having rather many lutes, and, yes, all are strung in gut from varous makers like Gamut, Aquila, Kuerschner, Cathedrale and Sofracob, but none are baroque lutes, actually. I'll quote you on my CV from now on. But more to the point, I tend to use Sofracob for courses two to four and for octave strings on the basses. They're cheap, have a good gutsy sound and come in 3 meter length. I you make a large enough order the 10 euro handling fee is no problem because the strings cheap. Furthermore, with _really_ large orders you'll get a discount. I even use 0.40 Sofracob as a first course for studying purposes. Life expectancy anything between 0.3 sec to three weeks. Sofracob strings have a good balance between mellow, warm sound and clear attack with 'clean' sound. Not as warm as Gamut, but treble gut by Gamut can be a bit too warm and therefore dull on some of my lutes, and not as sharp and thin as Kuerschner, although on some instruments I like to use Kuerschner for the first course. My baroque guitar is all Sofracob. Perfect for the instrument. David - should get a baroque lute, one day David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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David When I think about it, I suppose stringing an archlute in gut would be similar in difficulty to striging a Baroque lute, if string length and the number of courses is the problem. Thus if you can keep an archlute strung in gut, it should be possible to do the same with a Baroque lute. I hope this reasoning is correct. Regards Anthony Le 8 févr. 07 à 10:11, LGS-Europe a écrit : I have not used gut strings on a Baroque instrument, however. It would be best to ask advice from those that have. I know that David van Ooijen amongst others, uses all gut on his Baroque lutes. Dear Anthony It's nice to know one doesn't even have to play a single baroque lute to be known as a player who plays more than one. I must confess to having rather many lutes, and, yes, all are strung in gut from varous makers like Gamut, Aquila, Kuerschner, Cathedrale and Sofracob, but none are baroque lutes, actually. I'll quote you on my CV from now on. But more to the point, I tend to use Sofracob for courses two to four and for octave strings on the basses. They're cheap, have a good gutsy sound and come in 3 meter length. I you make a large enough order the 10 euro handling fee is no problem because the strings cheap. Furthermore, with _really_ large orders you'll get a discount. I even use 0.40 Sofracob as a first course for studying purposes. Life expectancy anything between 0.3 sec to three weeks. Sofracob strings have a good balance between mellow, warm sound and clear attack with 'clean' sound. Not as warm as Gamut, but treble gut by Gamut can be a bit too warm and therefore dull on some of my lutes, and not as sharp and thin as Kuerschner, although on some instruments I like to use Kuerschner for the first course. My baroque guitar is all Sofracob. Perfect for the instrument. David - should get a baroque lute, one day David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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You can email them here [EMAIL PROTECTED] At one time they sold almost in bulk, not really individual strings, but this may have changed. Regards Anthony Le 7 févr. 07 à 13:02, Stephan Olbertz a écrit : Dear all, the bridge of my baroque lute came off recently (ouch), but it has been fixed and I would like to take the opportunity to put new strings on and maybe switch to gut. Dan Larsons strings would sum up to about 360 $ (ouch again), Aquila is about the same. Does anyone know what Sofracob charges for a (13c) set? I couldn't find any information on the web... Regards, Stephan To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Most people use some metal in the gut basses, such as loaded or gimped strings. I do not think Sofracob makes those kind of strings. One player, Toyohiko Satoh, uses plain gut, even to the 13th course. But, Toyohiko uses smaller diameter strings, as he uses a very low tension indeed. I use gimped basses, and I am very happy with them. ed At 01:02 PM 2/7/2007 +0100, Stephan Olbertz wrote: Dear all, the bridge of my baroque lute came off recently (ouch), but it has been fixed and I would like to take the opportunity to put new strings on and maybe switch to gut. Dan Larsons strings would sum up to about 360 $ (ouch again), Aquila is about the same. Does anyone know what Sofracob charges for a (13c) set? I couldn't find any information on the web... Regards, Stephan To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
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If price is the only determining factor you could try some banjo strings, but I understand they do not last very long. Have a look at the prices at http://gourdbanjo.com/GBhtml/gut.html I think you can buy Sofracob also from http://www.londonviolins.com/ Accessories/Baroque_Classical_Strings/baroque_classical_strings.html and probably from Martin Haycock. Some lutists mix Sofracob on top strings with Gamut on low, but I recently replaced some Sofracob strings with more expensive Kuerschners and they lasted at least twice as long. Selling price might not mean best value. Kuerschners are rather hard in texture, however, and some people might not like that. http://www.kuerschner-saiten.de/ I undesrtand that Nick Baldock's strings are of similar quality but softer ; Kathedrale Strings, Nicholas Baldock e'mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Having said that, I do seem to remember that Jakob Lindberg had completely strung his Rauwolf in Sofracob, so there may have been progress in their string quality. Jacob Heringman, I believe, likes Stoppani strings for pistoy types. but I think they are quite expensive http://www.stoppani.co.uk/ Real_Gut_Strings.htm. However, the lower strings do last much longer anyway. I have not used gut strings on a Baroque instrument, however. It would be best to ask advice from those that have. I know that David van Ooijen amongst others, uses all gut on his Baroque lutes. Regards Anthony Le 7 févr. 07 à 13:02, Stephan Olbertz a écrit : Dear all, the bridge of my baroque lute came off recently (ouch), but it has been fixed and I would like to take the opportunity to put new strings on and maybe switch to gut. Dan Larsons strings would sum up to about 360 $ (ouch again), Aquila is about the same. Does anyone know what Sofracob charges for a (13c) set? I couldn't find any information on the web... Regards, Stephan To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Do any serious players use nylgut synthetic strings? perhaps more for renaissance than baroque lutes... Andrew On 7 Feb 2007, at 12:02, Stephan Olbertz wrote: Dear all, the bridge of my baroque lute came off recently (ouch), but it has been fixed and I would like to take the opportunity to put new strings on and maybe switch to gut. Dan Larsons strings would sum up to about 360 $ (ouch again), Aquila is about the same. Does anyone know what Sofracob charges for a (13c) set? I couldn't find any information on the web... Regards, Stephan To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: sofracob prices
Andrew Gibbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Do any serious players use nylgut synthetic strings? perhaps more for renaissance than baroque lutes... Not being a pro, I for one use nylgut on almost every lute, nevertheless: 13c lute on courses 1 to 5 (rest is organic plain gut from Aquila) 8c lute on courses 1 to 5 and octaves 6, 7, 8 mandora on each course except for the fundamentals of courses 4 to 8 descant lute, 1st course chitarrone on courses 1 to 7 (rest is Kürschner plain gut) -- Mathias http://mathiasroesel.livejournal.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Andrew, I know Nigel North had nylgut and Savarez synthetics on his ten-course last time I saw him. baroque lute I don't remember. Chris --- Andrew Gibbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do any serious players use nylgut synthetic strings? perhaps more for renaissance than baroque lutes... Andrew On 7 Feb 2007, at 12:02, Stephan Olbertz wrote: Dear all, the bridge of my baroque lute came off recently (ouch), but it has been fixed and I would like to take the opportunity to put new strings on and maybe switch to gut. Dan Larsons strings would sum up to about 360 $ (ouch again), Aquila is about the same. Does anyone know what Sofracob charges for a (13c) set? I couldn't find any information on the web... Regards, Stephan To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
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That's serious enough for me! thanks Andrew On 7 Feb 2007, at 15:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew, I know Nigel North had nylgut and Savarez synthetics on his ten-course last time I saw him. baroque lute I don't remember. Chris --- Andrew Gibbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do any serious players use nylgut synthetic strings? perhaps more for renaissance than baroque lutes... Andrew On 7 Feb 2007, at 12:02, Stephan Olbertz wrote: Dear all, the bridge of my baroque lute came off recently (ouch), but it has been fixed and I would like to take the opportunity to put new strings on and maybe switch to gut. Dan Larsons strings would sum up to about 360 $ (ouch again), Aquila is about the same. Does anyone know what Sofracob charges for a (13c) set? I couldn't find any information on the web... Regards, Stephan To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ __ TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ Andrew Gibbs Public Works Office 30 Townmead Business Centre William Morris Way London SW6 2SZ Telephone +44 (0)20 7731 9440 Mobile +44 (0)7973 655759 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.publicworksoffice.co.uk --
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thanks - what are you using for bass strings on the 8c? On 7 Feb 2007, at 13:40, Mathias Rösel wrote: Andrew Gibbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Do any serious players use nylgut synthetic strings? perhaps more for renaissance than baroque lutes... Not being a pro, I for one use nylgut on almost every lute, nevertheless: 13c lute on courses 1 to 5 (rest is organic plain gut from Aquila) 8c lute on courses 1 to 5 and octaves 6, 7, 8 mandora on each course except for the fundamentals of courses 4 to 8 descant lute, 1st course chitarrone on courses 1 to 7 (rest is Kürschner plain gut) -- Mathias http://mathiasroesel.livejournal.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Andrew Gibbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: thanks - what are you using for bass strings on the 8c? Copper wound (6th to 8th courses). Oh, and I forgot to mention the 11c lute: Nylgut for 1st to 5th courses, copper wound for fundamentals of 6th to 11th courses with nylgut octaves. Works very well. -- Mathias Andrew Gibbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Do any serious players use nylgut synthetic strings? perhaps more for renaissance than baroque lutes... Not being a pro, I for one use nylgut on almost every lute, nevertheless: 13c lute on courses 1 to 5 (rest is organic plain gut from Aquila) 8c lute on courses 1 to 5 and octaves 6, 7, 8 mandora on each course except for the fundamentals of courses 4 to 8 descant lute, 1st course chitarrone on courses 1 to 7 (rest is Kürschner plain gut) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Dear Andrew, Take a look at Ed Durbrow's interview with Paul O'Dette in the September 2004 LSA Quarterly where he confirms he uses Nylgut for performing. I use Nylgut too, and love the sound it makes on my lutes, but I would hate to be taken too seriously. Best wishes, Denys - Original Message - From: Andrew Gibbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephan Olbertz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: sofracob prices Do any serious players use nylgut synthetic strings? perhaps more for renaissance than baroque lutes... Andrew On 7 Feb 2007, at 12:02, Stephan Olbertz wrote: Dear all, the bridge of my baroque lute came off recently (ouch), but it has been fixed and I would like to take the opportunity to put new strings on and maybe switch to gut. Dan Larsons strings would sum up to about 360 $ (ouch again), Aquila is about the same. Does anyone know what Sofracob charges for a (13c) set? I couldn't find any information on the web... Regards, Stephan To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Denys, --- Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use Nylgut too, and love the sound it makes on my lutes, but I would hate to be taken too seriously. ..But how are you ever going to get EM street cred if you don't take yourself too seriously? :) CW Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Dear Chris, Quite so! But I guess I have already blown it by confessing to using Nylgut :-) Best wishes, Denys - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:13 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: sofracob prices Denys, --- Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use Nylgut too, and love the sound it makes on my lutes, but I would hate to be taken too seriously. ..But how are you ever going to get EM street cred if you don't take yourself too seriously? :) CW Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Denys Stephens wrote: I would hate to be taken too seriously. For most people the problem is not being taken seriously enough ;-) -- Stephen Fryer ** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Andrew, Actually, many professionals use nylgut - Paul O'Dette, Nigel North, Hopkinson Smith. I think (but, I am uncertain) that Rolf Lislevand uses them as well. I know Jakob Lindberg used to use them. I have my renaissance 8 course in partial nylgut, because I have to use that instrument under difficult situations. Otherwise, I mostly use gut, for vihuela, 10 course, baroque guitar, 11 course, and my 13 course. Yes, the tuning is sometimes an issue, along with treble string breakage, but the wonderful rich sound of gut makes it all worth while. If one equilibrates the instrument to the room, tuning works well. When I perform in gut, I must get to the hall 3 hours in advance to insure good tuning. Sometimes I regret not using synthetics, but gut is the most satisfying sound of all, so I stick with it. Someone said earlier today that the 5th course is a problem, but the Pistoy 5th is, in my opinion, the most beautiful string imaginable, for either a renaissance or baroque lute. ed At 01:22 PM 2/7/2007 +, Andrew Gibbs wrote: Do any serious players use nylgut synthetic strings? perhaps more for renaissance than baroque lutes... Andrew On 7 Feb 2007, at 12:02, Stephan Olbertz wrote: Dear all, the bridge of my baroque lute came off recently (ouch), but it has been fixed and I would like to take the opportunity to put new strings on and maybe switch to gut. Dan Larsons strings would sum up to about 360 $ (ouch again), Aquila is about the same. Does anyone know what Sofracob charges for a (13c) set? I couldn't find any information on the web... Regards, Stephan To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[LUTE] Re: sofracob prices
On Feb 7, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Edward Martin wrote: I have my renaissance 8 course in partial nylgut, because I have to use that instrument under difficult situations. Otherwise, I mostly use gut, for vihuela, 10 course, baroque guitar, 11 course, and my 13 course. When I bought my theorbo back in November (from Jason Petty in Brooklyn) it was strung with the first five strings in nylgut. It sounds fine. When the nylgut finally needs replacement, I'll probably try something else, like carbon fibre maybe, but just to see what the difference is. Basically, I think nylgut works on some lutes, but not on others. Of course, if I didn't have classical guitar obligations from time to time, I would string entirely in gut! David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rastallmusic.com -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
