Re: LyX on Ubuntu Precise (12.04): big download size!
El 20/04/2012 01:34 a.m., El Merehbi, Ibrahim escribió: I do have a cxn, but I am writing a document with someone& I'd like to install it for him so we can work on the editing together, but he doesn't have a cxn (weird as it may be) + to save time in installing. And yes, that's what I was thinking; I just wanted to know how to find what packages (dependencies incl. of course) I needed& where to find them (for Ubuntu!) The best approach for ubuntu users which doesn't have a cxn is to create a local repository with debmirror in a place that you have cxn and then transport it to the place where you doesn't have the cxn. This is tedious but is the best way to do it. Alex
Re: LyX on Ubuntu Precise (12.04): big download size!
On 04/20/2012 03:34 AM, El Merehbi, Ibrahim wrote: I do have a cxn, but I am writing a document with someone & I'd like to install it for him so we can work on the editing together, but he doesn't have a cxn (weird as it may be) + to save time in installing. And yes, that's what I was thinking; I just wanted to know how to find what packages (dependencies incl. of course) I needed & where to find them (for Ubuntu!) You do NOT have to have TeX installed to use LyX. Only to compile to PDF. Plenty of people use TeX-less installs on netbooks, etc. Richard
Re: LyX on Ubuntu Precise (12.04): big download size!
Hello David, Thank you for your reply. On Fri 20 Apr 2012 03:19:28 AM EEST, David L. Johnson wrote: > On 04/19/2012 08:03 PM, Merhebi, Bob wrote: >> Just one question: for LyX to work it requires TeX packages right? How >> big should that be for a regular usage involving mathematics& physics? >> Moreover, how can I install it (with TeX packages; more accurately: like >> it is installed on my system!) on a system with no connection? > > I would suggest that if you are doing either mathematics or physics, > you really, really need the TeX packages, no matter what. The idea of > not using TeX to write mathematics is impossible for me to deal with > -- especially if your alternative is Word. > Actually, I don't use word anymore; even OpenOffice or LibreOffice I don;t use either except for rare occasions; that's why wehn I found out about LyX (while searching for Scientific Workplace -commercial) I chose LyX & have been using it ever since. Am happ with it :D > In my opinion, TeX is a huge improvement in writing technical material > over anything else out there, and LyX is a huge improvement to using > TeX. Yes, these things require a large download any more (I remember > when LyX fit on a floppy disk -- without TeX, but even so, one floppy > disk). > > If you have no internet connection, then I imagine you have a usb > port, or other pluggable access. Get a usb keychain drive, or > equivalent other media, get access somehow to download the archive to > the drive, and you should have no problem. You clearly have some > internet access since you did send this message. > I do have a cxn, but I am writing a document with someone & I'd like to install it for him so we can work on the editing together, but he doesn't have a cxn (weird as it may be) + to save time in installing. And yes, that's what I was thinking; I just wanted to know how to find what packages (dependencies incl. of course) I needed & where to find them (for Ubuntu!) > Others can answer about how big the distribution ought to be, but > again, believe me, you need this to write mathematics. > Sure I do need to write mathematics, with TeX! :D thanks again -- Sincerely Yours, -Merhebi, Bob Thunderbird Signature
Re: LyX on Ubuntu Precise (12.04): big download size!
On 04/19/2012 08:03 PM, Merhebi, Bob wrote: Just one question: for LyX to work it requires TeX packages right? How big should that be for a regular usage involving mathematics& physics? Moreover, how can I install it (with TeX packages; more accurately: like it is installed on my system!) on a system with no connection? I would suggest that if you are doing either mathematics or physics, you really, really need the TeX packages, no matter what. The idea of not using TeX to write mathematics is impossible for me to deal with -- especially if your alternative is Word. In my opinion, TeX is a huge improvement in writing technical material over anything else out there, and LyX is a huge improvement to using TeX. Yes, these things require a large download any more (I remember when LyX fit on a floppy disk -- without TeX, but even so, one floppy disk). If you have no internet connection, then I imagine you have a usb port, or other pluggable access. Get a usb keychain drive, or equivalent other media, get access somehow to download the archive to the drive, and you should have no problem. You clearly have some internet access since you did send this message. Others can answer about how big the distribution ought to be, but again, believe me, you need this to write mathematics. -- David L. Johnson When you are up to your ass in alligators, it's hard to remember that your initial objective was to drain the swamp. -- LBJ
Re: LyX on Ubuntu Precise (12.04): big download size!
Hello again, Thanks Rob & Liviu. I reported a bug & it has been confirmed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lyx/+bug/974269 Just one question: for LyX to work it requires TeX packages right? How big should that be for a regular usage involving mathematics & physics? Moreover, how can I install it (with TeX packages; more accurately: like it is installed on my system!) on a system with no connection? On 04/03/2012 07:07 PM, Rob Oakes wrote: > On 4/3/2012 10:01 AM, BOB Merhebi wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> I've been testing Ubuntu12.04 lately & just now I was thinking of >> using LyX on it. TO my big surprise the LyX requires a large download >> of ~450 MB+. I am shocked!!! IS that the true size? If not mistaken I >> recall that on 10.04 it required ~ 25MB. Am I mistaken? Is there >> something wrong? > Hi Bob, > > The download from Ubuntu was probably a debug build. These are much > larger than the release build. You might want to contact the Ubuntu > project and let them know that the build is much larger than expected. > Liviu Andronic manages a PPA with an unofficial build, which might be > less damaging to your Internet quota > (https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release). I'm not sure he's > added support for Precise Penguin, yet, though. > > Another idea is that they may have changed the LaTeX dependencies. If > so, it might be downloading a lot of extra TeX packages that aren't needed. > > Regardless, I would definitely get in touch with the Ubuntu project. To > the best of my knowledge, they don't subscribe to this list, and it's > something that they will want to hear about. > > Cheers, > > Rob On 04/03/2012 08:00 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote: > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Rob Oakes wrote: >> The download from Ubuntu was probably a debug build. These are much >> larger than the release build. You might want to contact the Ubuntu >> project and let them know that the build is much larger than expected. >> Liviu Andronic manages a PPA with an unofficial build, which might be >> less damaging to your Internet quota >> (https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release). I'm not sure he's >> added support for Precise Penguin, yet, though. >> > A version for Precise is available at my experimental PPA [1]. When I > get some positive feedback on the build and/or Precise gets released, > I will move it to the lyx-devel PPA. > > [1] https://launchpad.net/~landronimirc/+archive/experimental > > >> Another idea is that they may have changed the LaTeX dependencies. If >> so, it might be downloading a lot of extra TeX packages that aren't needed. >> > I am also suspecting that your total download size contains a bunch of > LaTeX dependencies. Else, see Rob's comments. > > Regards > Liviu -- Sincerely Yours, -Merhebi, Bob Thunderbird Signature
Re: LyX on Ubuntu Precise (12.04): big download size!
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Rob Oakes wrote: > The download from Ubuntu was probably a debug build. These are much > larger than the release build. You might want to contact the Ubuntu > project and let them know that the build is much larger than expected. > Liviu Andronic manages a PPA with an unofficial build, which might be > less damaging to your Internet quota > (https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release). I'm not sure he's > added support for Precise Penguin, yet, though. > A version for Precise is available at my experimental PPA [1]. When I get some positive feedback on the build and/or Precise gets released, I will move it to the lyx-devel PPA. [1] https://launchpad.net/~landronimirc/+archive/experimental > Another idea is that they may have changed the LaTeX dependencies. If > so, it might be downloading a lot of extra TeX packages that aren't needed. > I am also suspecting that your total download size contains a bunch of LaTeX dependencies. Else, see Rob's comments. Regards Liviu
Re: LyX on Ubuntu Precise (12.04): big download size!
On 4/3/2012 10:01 AM, BOB Merhebi wrote: > Hello all, > > I've been testing Ubuntu12.04 lately & just now I was thinking of > using LyX on it. TO my big surprise the LyX requires a large download > of ~450 MB+. I am shocked!!! IS that the true size? If not mistaken I > recall that on 10.04 it required ~ 25MB. Am I mistaken? Is there > something wrong? Hi Bob, The download from Ubuntu was probably a debug build. These are much larger than the release build. You might want to contact the Ubuntu project and let them know that the build is much larger than expected. Liviu Andronic manages a PPA with an unofficial build, which might be less damaging to your Internet quota (https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release). I'm not sure he's added support for Precise Penguin, yet, though. Another idea is that they may have changed the LaTeX dependencies. If so, it might be downloading a lot of extra TeX packages that aren't needed. Regardless, I would definitely get in touch with the Ubuntu project. To the best of my knowledge, they don't subscribe to this list, and it's something that they will want to hear about. Cheers, Rob
LyX on Ubuntu Precise (12.04): big download size!
Hello all, I've been testing Ubuntu12.04 lately & just now I was thinking of using LyX on it. TO my big surprise the LyX requires a large download of ~450 MB+. I am shocked!!! IS that the true size? If not mistaken I recall that on 10.04 it required ~ 25MB. Am I mistaken? Is there something wrong? -- Sincerely Yours, Merhebi, Bob
